One important benefit of the SR though: being a LFP battery means charging to 100% as a matter of routine which gives a day-to- day range comparable to the LR.
Exactly. No battery conservation regime required. >250 miles waiting on the driveway every morning. What's not to love about that? I think I drove more than 250 miles in one stint a couple of times in the last 5 years (House-hunting in South West France, trying to get there from Newhaven-Dieppe to Bergerac as quickly as possible on the (beautiful) Autoroute). A realistic 250 miles plus an anxiety buffer of 30 miles suits me down to the ground for 99.999% of my driving.
Good point. You can charge an LR to 100% just before a long trip, but not every day. I think the range of the SR is plenty for many people. I have an LR Model Y rather than an SR, but that is mostly because I wanted AWD.
I’ve been trying to find an answer to this, and the best I’ve found is that LFP batteries take a bigger hit in range and charging speeds in freezing temperatures compared to NMC batteries. But it’s tough to find any proper testing with exact data and numbers. Anyway, my point being that despite the advantage you mentioned, LFP battery range might not actually be that good in cold weather.
Interesting review. I currently have a 3.5 year old Model 3 Long Range. One thing I consider is the residual value after say 4 years of ownership. The LR should be worth more when I come to sell it. Maybe 4k more? Therefore over the 4 years, the ‘real’ cost is an extra 6k that would give me faster 0-60, longer range, better stereo and 4WD. Plus the battery range will degrade over time so the real world range will remain stronger. On this basis I’d go for LR again. Happy to be challenged on these numbers!
I heard the LFP battery on the SR degrades slower than the battery on the LR so I actually think they'll end up the same value in 4-5 years. But yeah this is just speculation.
I’ve got a Model Y LR and have been using an i4 and Polestar 2 for work for approx 5k miles each. Just had the new Model 3 RWD for a week demo. It’s incredible and definitely the best value car on the market
In my Highland LR, I drove around country roads in Wales at the speed limits of mostly 50/60 with the usual 30mph villages, at 10°C with 60% charge and ended up with 191Wh per mile, or a calculated range of 393 miles, which is a bit crazy… 220Wh per mile on the motorway…
Having done about 200 mile testing on the Highland SR the fact that it will outrange my 2020 M3P supposed "Long Range AWD" by some margin just shows you how much things have changed in the land of Tesla efficiency 😅 Still love it though, but credit where credit is due!
@@i.d.6492 Its because the new model 3 refresh was codenamed "highland" by tesla, basically jargon people like to use to sound smarter than people who don't understand it
Thanks Richard and team another great video. The SR is all the car I would need as it enables me to drive home non stop (most of the time) from my daughter near Chester and Gatwick. I also road trip once a year to my son in Zurich so I’d probably only need charge Reims and Nancy in summertime.
Thankyou for another great video, keep up the good work, haven't found anyone else who give such clear analysis with a complete unbias . I wish you guys all the best.
Is it correct that SR comes with LFP batteries, and LR does not? If so, the real everyday range is the same for you can routinely charge the LFP batteries to 100% while NCA batteries recommended charge level is 80%. 352*0.8=281. Your projected range is 286 miles for SR, so in fact it can drive even longer! Battery degradation is expected to be lower for the LFPs as well...
Yes but with the LR you keep the limit set to 80% for when you drive locally and when you go on a road trip you can charge to 100% and get the full range and that will result in less degradation.
Thanks for doing this comparison, it looks like the standard range is a good increase and near 300 mile in the real world tests. I would choose the standard range as it is not often that I need the extra range and it would be far quicker than my current Kia E Niro.
Good video, I have been waiting for this one. I have the 2022 LFP and as proven on my tests on my channel, I get 280+ miles in half decent weather at normal motorway speeds on long journeys. The RWD is more efficient. Big advantage is charge to 100% each time. I think for £10k less, the LR is a ‘hard sell’ for most. My 2022 RWD is a fantastic car, I prefer it to my 2018 S. I drive everywhere no issue, distance is not a problem in the RWD. Looks like the new one may get slightly more miles, but not much. I actually find the audio in my 2022 RWD fantastic, better than the enhanced audio in the S. Nice to hear this one may be even better.
Day to day normal driving you won't notice a difference. But as soon as you know in advance that you need to do a longer trip, you can charge the LR to 100%, and get a lot more range. So if you're doing quite some longer drives, I would still recommend the LR.
@@wavesnowaves the LG long range battery is poop. garbage battery pack. charges very slow after 30 percent its not a good road tripper if it doesnt charge quick. the ioniq 6 charges way faster im not comparing them but comparing the lg battery to last model 3 Panasonic its different. charging curve is bad
Definitely worth getting the standard range for my personal preference,not to mention in summer 5mile per kWh would easily be achievable,cheers guys 👍😉💪
Thanks for doing this video, SR is the one for me. 286M give or take is decent and living in London will give me access to super charging is I need to, whilst being to charge at home too. Thanks for mentioning the audio too!
You are not going to get 286M on long trips or short trips whilst using the heater a lot in London. Don't expect that. This is pretty much the besdt you will get out of the car.
@@BigRobLandanHard to give a number as it depends on many things. On a zero C to negative C Weather day, with short runs in London, a lot of stopngo with a cold battery - your best bet would be about 160miles from 100% to 0%. In a normal winter day if you don't abuse the heater a lot, with StopNGo, maybe 200miles. Maybe less. With the heater off maybe 220 miles. You will also have to factor in things like sentry if you use it (this drains the battery while parked - it is best not to use it when you don't really need it). In the summer 280miles would be possible in the city as a max range.
So what’s point of LR then if your recommended to charge to 80% most of the time? Would the range at 80% on LR match or there abouts 100% charge of Sr? So get the LR if you going to lots of long journeys but it’s recommended not to charge to beyond 80% often. Understanding EVs is tough, maybe just stick to my diesel car 😂😂
not sold on the longevity of the LFP. Tesla switched to this battery during the chip shortage, put it in the cheapest Tesla, and all of a sudden it became the “most durable battery”. If they really thought that, why is the battery warranty only 100k miles compared to the long range 120k mile warranty?
The LFP batteries are superior to the NMC batteries in every way. They are taking the solar industry by storm. They will charge 6000 cycles or 16.4 years if you charge every day, while maintaining 80 - 90% of its capacity. NMC batteries are inferior by comparison.
Nice comparison test video. My nephew is all fired up to get a Tesla M3 of some description. Thing is, he can't make his mind up if he wants a used 2023 M3 LR or Std or New 2024 model. They are becoming very affordable now Used with decent low-ish mileage. My opinion? Seriously, if a Highland is going to put you badly out of pocket, a used heat pump model M3 is very appealing. Especially if you've never been that used to a Tesla, as he hasn't. Though he has test driven both those 2023 options now and loves them both, but also loves the sharper looks of the 2024s.
Yes, but its safe to charge the LR to 100% during longer journeys, just minimize the frequency of it. It´s fine once in a while when going on a 500 km trip.
I am mostly concerned about the audio, but glad to hear its not that much different. My current car doesn't have "premium" audio anyway. Just waiting for delivery of highland. Cheers
Thank you Richard for a real world comparison proving that both versions are vastly more efficient than its rivals. A certain well known motoring magazine should take tips from you guys on how to compare
The LR should have an 82kwh battery (75 usable), and it is not 4WD, it is AWD. The car is mostly rear wheel drive, the front motor is used for regenerative braking, during heavy acceleration and when the road is slippery.
If the road is not slippery and you are accelerating mildly in a straight line, it should not matter at all which motor is pulling - it should be the more efficient one for the speed, conditions.
Quite aware of what drives what but try and balance how much Info to put into video. FYI it’s 79kwh. Could be 82kwh in Europe but we’ve never had that for LR in the UK. We had 82 in performance for a bit before they also went 79kwh
For company car and for people who drive long distance very often, the LR model worth the extra £10k. Also, in countries with snow, the AWD LR could be crucial. For me, the SR Highland consumes 14% battery during a 70km daily commute. I got 3,500km in 2 months and the avergae consumption is 12,9kwh/100km. That's 450km range on a single charge in average. I've not used superchargers yet. Only charging in my garage at 16A 3,6kw/h (slowest possible wall charger). I don't even need an expensive higher capacity wall charger. In 8 hours during the night it charges 45% which covers 3 days of my commute. I've already saved over €200 on petrol. Insurance a little bit higher but there's no road tax and annual maintenance. So for people like me it's a no brainer to have an EV. Fast, quite, comfortable, cheap to run. Thanks for the video, it shows I've made the right decision with the SR 😊
Thanks Richard. I currently own LR model 3. When I drove the new SR highland, I was blown away! It’s far superior to the previous LR model 3. It’s very fast, very quiet, very sleek, luxurious and beautiful to behold. 👏🏾🕺🏾👍🏾🥰Thank you Tesla.
We have the Highland SR Model 3 and plug it in every evening to trickle charge it to 100%. Given that the LR should only be charged to 80% and that otherwise they are almost identical, I struggle to find a reason for the extra cost. Maybe if one day the LR gets LFP batteries to unlock the full range on a daily basis, but for now it doesn't seem all that attractive to me.
Bought an early Polestar2 2020 as Tesla demos at that time had bits falling off. Couldn’t cope with hard ride and sold it early on. These reviews are making me think time to revisit with increased comfort build quality.. and the network of course.
Based on that test, LR would have 453 km at 80% (max. recommended daily charge level) and SR would be 460 km at 100%. So you would start each day with the same range and lose only in longer journeys. SR is a beast for its price.
@@RSEV You get that 20% boost for the first leg. After that, you are likely charging only to the what you can fast charge until you finally get to your destination. It's not clear to me what that means in absolute miles but I heard it argued it closes the gap even further.
Ok i own a Tesla 2022 RWD, and i love the sound system. And you say its a BIG improvement? :) LOL it's better for myself probably to NOT drive the Highland to keep myself happy and keep the money in the pocket.
@@HermanWillems If you have kids don't forget to teach them about the emergency exit in the rear as it is like no other car. And if power goes have them jump the front seat as there's no way in to the rear from the outside.
@@twotone3871 no kids. Sorry. Wish i had them though. Not easy to find a decent woman to actually start a family with. Money is easy. Woman are difficult.
Just searched for this, nice timing:) The long range is a bit of a weird proposition, you cannot really justify buying it given the price difference. I am glad Tesla made the standard range so good, I think all in all it is a positive for consumers. Would love a standard range with the bigger battery though and only a 4k increase or something.
This. The figures the RWD is pulling now from my own testing if I got another one Id seriously consider it over a LR or P the efficiency is rediculous. They are quick enough.
Spectacular. I’m considering buying one and realizing the difference of what is delivered in relation to the price is really very important. Thank you very much for the video.
Thanks for excellent review. I had a 2021 M3 LR for 3 years, very satisfied but sold prior to warranty expiration, and will now consider a rear-wheel drive version purchase in May (do not need car in Winter). Hopefully the speakers can be upgraded for an extra cost, as was possible a couple of years ago. And thanks for the audio-comparison, valuable! Happy to hear (...) that the SR comes out well and better than the previous version.
In Iceland, where we have snowy (sometimes a lot) and icy conditions for 4-5 months every year the AWD Long Range is preferably needed for traction and there are not that many Tesla Chargers in Iceland. And btw, its safe to charge the Long Range up to 100% for longer journeys but minimize the frequency of it and do not keep the car at 100% charge like you actually can with the SR
Does the standard range use LFP batteries? If so,u can charge the battery to 100% and get the same charge as the long range at 80%. Then it would definitely be worth getting the standard and save $10,000.
The video was quite long and no marked sections so it was hard to follow as I tried to skip a lot of the irrelevant discussions (without markings it was not possible to identify interesting sections). So it was not clear what was the distance, what wwere the conditions and speed driven - was that something established as a ruleset or something more ad hoc as it seemed to be - but it seems it was a fairly low speed travel so probably shows unrealistically high range. Also, I was confused whether difference was 106 or 120 kph at the end, I guess doesn't really matter? I am looking for sources to figure out if I do a long distance travel how often I would need to charge on highway at 130 kph so I can see how disruptive such a car would be on a 900-1000km trip... maybe I stumbled upon the wrong video for that.
Hi Richard, just wondering why you keep referring to Model 3s as AWD/4WD? Please explain. Model 3s and Y only drive the front wheels when applying traction control, doing a launch, pre-conditioning or going over 150 kmph. In the benign conditions of your trip both cars were RWD. The dual motor LR has a larger battery and a front motor so has added dead weight to overcome (laws of physics still apply to Teslas) so would be "less efficient" than the SR. So the additional cost of the LR gives some extra range, pre-conditioning and traction control.
tested the LR which pitches and yaws a tad too much for my taste during hard acceleration and braking. Is the SR better due to it being less powerful and lighter?
If you never plan to leave "town" and road trip, standard 100%. But if you think you will take road trips and plan to keep the car for 3-5 years or more I'd say LR all the way. It all adds up over time in my opinion. Resale is better as well
Great video guys, thanks! This is perfect as I was considering whether to go SR or LR once my current lease finishes… originally was thinking LR but then later thought with the efficiency improvements etc that SR would probably be fine and a lot cheaper… you’ve confirmed this for me today 😃
If you daily charge the LR to 80% and the Std range to 100%, there's no difference in range. And the LFP battery IMO is better for longevity. I'm at 95,000 km on our 2022 Std range model 3 with only 7 km range loss.
@antoinepageau8336 What is your charge habit then? I have found a discussion on UA-cam were the range loss is like 5 to 7% with LFP at 50,000 to 100,000 km. I had a Model 3 LR till last week and at 80,000km with a loss with 3.5%. I charge to 80% and don't go down mostly below 10%. On long trips I go to 100% (top it off from 80% to 100% just before I leave). And leave it between 40 to 65%, when I don't drive it for a few days. Everybody says that LFP can charge without loose to 100%. But if you leave that LFP battery at 100% more than 1 days, that can't be good for the battery. Or leave it at 10% for a long time.
Great video, thanks Richard. SR is a great car. Looking at the efficiency of the LR in the video, a quick note to share what I got out of my 2020 LR (Gen 1, no heat pump) driving one week the exact same distance and route, at about 7C outside temp, at max legal speed , climate at 20C, distance of 79 miles (M3 - M27 - A31), I returned 236W/mile. Did the same route with heating off and returned 229W/mile so not a big difference with/without heating on. You can see the difference between Gen 1 and Highland: 211W vs 236W. Still, the SR beats everything.
Great videos and reviews of the new Highland. I’m struggling to connect to Intelligent octopus, any advice on how to add a virtual key (on the Tesla app) to allow connectivity to the Octopus app ?? 🙏🏼
Hi Richard, great channel with really informative videos. I have a 2023 Model 3 Long Range RWD which I think would make for some interesting comparisons. Range in the summer was always 350 miles plus.
Great video as usual… I would love to know if Tesla has fixed the auto wipers? I currently have a Model Y and the auto wipers drive me bonkers! Also a bit dangerous. Apart from that the car is great… well one other thing recently has happened the memory settings for the mirrors has stopped working properly. So, every time I drive the car I have to manually reset the mirrors. I am thinking of buying the the new model 3 or waiting for the new model Y. Many thanks 😊
Richard thank you for an excellent comparison. I am convinced that the highland SR is close enough in range compared with my 2021 Dual Motor LR. Any news on when we might get the adaptive matrix led headlights on the M3 in the UK?
Good to know. Looks like for both AWD and RWD, the multi link suspension on the rear makes a big difference compared to the outgoing M3. Appreciate your response!
I can't compare with LR but my RWD 2024 has worst braking than AWD for sure, because when you are descending on a slippery road or zebra crossing the car can block the rear wheels with regen braking, and this is not an ABS task because brakes are without pressure. So the motor gives a little power to unlock the rear wheels and this is caotic.
Great video. I don't own an electric car but would i be correct in saying that nobody drives the full range of the battery? So if you wanted to plug in the least amount of times it would probably only meaning using 70 - 80% of the full capacity?
I've had my standard range Tesla Y for one year. The reason I went for the standard range was the LFP battery. 100% charging. No fire risk. Much longer battery life.
it’s so interesting. when i got my dec 21 SR What Car etc all said that the best buy was the LR but it’s pretty clear that the best buy for the majority of people was/is the SR/RWD. But you see so many more dual motor variants around than the SR. and this is a country where the average daily mileage is 30 miles. i wonder if we will start to see the SR/RWD replacing the LR as the best buy. you’d only spend that extra 10k if that 70 mile extra range was needed weekly or you live in the country and need AWD
Would still like you to a full motorway efficiency test. I always say take 50 miles off any EV 's quoted "WLTP" for a real world range estimate and that is what you have shown. But this was also done in 9 degC ambient temps so summer driving it will get very close to or even over 300 miles I suspect.
Do you think there's £10k of difference between the cars, especially given that aesthetically the only difference is the door card & dash insert material? Seems like quite a hefty price hike for an extra motor & bigger battery? Kinda feels like the opposite of how it used to be with Performance vs LR - now Performance has distinct visual differences, and its the LR and RWD that look too similar (in my opinion)
This is an interesting and helpful film for me. I live about 2mins from where you started in Sainsbury’s car park. I work a lot in London and currently trying to work out which is best for me. My round trip is about 250 miles, so both cars would be fine but having never had an EV I’m suffering from range anxiety and leaning towards the long range model 3 or Y. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
I would get the Long Range, if it was a one day round trip. Unless you have a slow charger at the destination to add some miles on the battery in London. Tomorrow I pickup my SR Model 3. I drove almost 5 years the LR AWD Model 3.
You mean to LFP? Probably not for a few years. You understand that the energy density on the LFP is quite lower than with the NCx tech, so for the size, it is still not doable. The future is to use 55 and maybe 70 kWh with LFP but also to improve efficiency (lower computer consumption, better engines, etc), that way NCx could end. But I imagine it will take >5 years to get there.
Great video Richard and Gintz as always. One question that wasn't answered in this and similar videos, whats the expected resale value at the end of a lease. Presumably the SR takes a bigger hit due to the smaller batter and any degradation would have a larger impact on a smaller battery! Seeing as you are in the used EV market, you are just the man to answer this question. I hope you do soon :) Thanks :)
That's a very hard question to answer because a lot can happen in a few years that will affect the resale prices. We can predict and speculate but the simple answer is that nobody knows.
Pricing second hand cars with the battery degradation on EVs is going to be hard for a while. What are the prices like for an iPhone 11 compared to an iPhone 15? I suspect that resale values will change to become much more like phones due to the cost of replacing the battery unless Tesla come up with a standard much cheaper way of replacing it with a reconditioned battery
I do quite a lot of videos about used EV market and demand v supply to but comment on what a brand new model will be worth in 3 years is nonsensical in this context
@@RSEV it largely also depends on what demand and people’s attitudes are to EVs in 5 years time once the rebates start to truly taper off. Currently in the US we get a rebate when buying a new or second hand one, but this will not always be the case.
Hey Richard, I think you missed the point I was making. I was referring to the current situation where there are SR and LR's out there. If you have two that have exactly the same age and mileage, are they the some price 2nd hand or is there an allowance added for the larger battery capacity? Conversely, is the SR cheaper than and identical LR due to a smaller battery and therefore potential larger gross loss in range with degradation. I'm not ask you to speculate on the used values 3 years into the future. I'm asking what is you experience with the factors I've listed above. Would be nice to know, if you had that information. :) Keep up the great work.
Great test. Interesting that there seems to be really no relevant effciency difference between my Model 3 LR from late 2021 and the Highland regarding range. I had real world range of 569 km when new. Now 5% degradation after 60,000km.
Richard - another great video, we actually drove this exact car on an extended test drive a couple of weeks ago, from Tesla Bournemouth. Over 50 miles on local roads averaged 5 miles kWh. Great test route, Sainsbury’s Ferndown - Tesla Winchester - Tesla Bournemouth?
you forget with the larger battery pack you charge is faster to get more miles as it trickle charge affect. I can get 220m in about 8 min where the standard will only get about 130 in the same amount of time. Most people forget about this.
Thanks for this very interesting video. It's the Dual Motor for me, but in the Model Y. Can I ask how you get on with the indicator buttons, especially when leaving a roundabout? I haven't had a chance to try the new design interior yet
Great episode again highland Chief reviewer So far in a UK winter I’m getting consistent 212wh/m from the SR on 18 inch wheels imo that’s pretty good at the price point
One important benefit of the SR though: being a LFP battery means charging to 100% as a matter of routine which gives a day-to- day range comparable to the LR.
“ sure ‘bout that?” 😂
Exactly. No battery conservation regime required. >250 miles waiting on the driveway every morning. What's not to love about that?
I think I drove more than 250 miles in one stint a couple of times in the last 5 years (House-hunting in South West France, trying to get there from Newhaven-Dieppe to Bergerac as quickly as possible on the (beautiful) Autoroute). A realistic 250 miles plus an anxiety buffer of 30 miles suits me down to the ground for 99.999% of my driving.
It's a nice bonus, but then again who actually does a spontaneous 200+ mile trip on the fly without time to charge those last 10/20% first?
Good point. You can charge an LR to 100% just before a long trip, but not every day. I think the range of the SR is plenty for many people. I have an LR Model Y rather than an SR, but that is mostly because I wanted AWD.
I’ve been trying to find an answer to this, and the best I’ve found is that LFP batteries take a bigger hit in range and charging speeds in freezing temperatures compared to NMC batteries. But it’s tough to find any proper testing with exact data and numbers. Anyway, my point being that despite the advantage you mentioned, LFP battery range might not actually be that good in cold weather.
Interesting review. I currently have a 3.5 year old Model 3 Long Range. One thing I consider is the residual value after say 4 years of ownership. The LR should be worth more when I come to sell it. Maybe 4k more? Therefore over the 4 years, the ‘real’ cost is an extra 6k that would give me faster 0-60, longer range, better stereo and 4WD. Plus the battery range will degrade over time so the real world range will remain stronger. On this basis I’d go for LR again. Happy to be challenged on these numbers!
I heard the LFP battery on the SR degrades slower than the battery on the LR so I actually think they'll end up the same value in 4-5 years. But yeah this is just speculation.
Very useful! Saving the 10k!
Thanks to converting to kWh/100 km
I’ve got a Model Y LR and have been using an i4 and Polestar 2 for work for approx 5k miles each. Just had the new Model 3 RWD for a week demo. It’s incredible and definitely the best value car on the market
Awesome, thanks for mentioning the audio in SR !
SR has no subwoofer?? Is it easy to add one?
In my Highland LR, I drove around country roads in Wales at the speed limits of mostly 50/60 with the usual 30mph villages, at 10°C with 60% charge and ended up with 191Wh per mile, or a calculated range of 393 miles, which is a bit crazy…
220Wh per mile on the motorway…
Wow that’s efficient drivetrain ..
Impressive! Good regen from the front motor? Richard noted in the video the SR had less regen.
Mc, its 20 mph in the villages.
Oops not much Wales, mainly Shropshire!
I have gotten range estimates of around 460 miles driving around flat areas in my Ioniq 6...In the California mountains it drops down to 420 sadly
Having done about 200 mile testing on the Highland SR the fact that it will outrange my 2020 M3P supposed "Long Range AWD" by some margin just shows you how much things have changed in the land of Tesla efficiency 😅 Still love it though, but credit where credit is due!
Only Plaid Teslas are true AWD. The LR RWD with traction control for the front only - rear wheels have to slip to engage.
Why is everyone calling it highland? It's doesn't call that, even Elon said it doesn't call highland
@@i.d.6492 Its because the new model 3 refresh was codenamed "highland" by tesla, basically jargon people like to use to sound smarter than people who don't understand it
@@jalenloveslegos no it was not, where did you get thd info, Elon himself said it was never called "highland" yall just making shit up😂
@@i.d.6492 Cool story bro
Thanks Richard and team another great video. The SR is all the car I would need as it enables me to drive home non stop (most of the time) from my daughter near Chester and Gatwick. I also road trip once a year to my son in Zurich so I’d probably only need charge Reims and Nancy in summertime.
Thankyou for another great video, keep up the good work, haven't found anyone else who give such clear analysis with a complete unbias . I wish you guys all the best.
It is a shame that the cheaper car has the inferior audio.
Great comparison Richard.
Another great video Richard, great comparison . I love watching your videos.
Great video just what we needed ! Cheers guys best Ev channel on UA-cam
Is it correct that SR comes with LFP batteries, and LR does not? If so, the real everyday range is the same for you can routinely charge the LFP batteries to 100% while NCA batteries recommended charge level is 80%. 352*0.8=281. Your projected range is 286 miles for SR, so in fact it can drive even longer! Battery degradation is expected to be lower for the LFPs as well...
Yes LFP and my range calcs use pro rate 100-0%
Yes but with the LR you keep the limit set to 80% for when you drive locally and when you go on a road trip you can charge to 100% and get the full range and that will result in less degradation.
Thanks for doing this comparison, it looks like the standard range is a good increase and near 300 mile in the real world tests. I would choose the standard range as it is not often that I need the extra range and it would be far quicker than my current Kia E Niro.
Good video, I have been waiting for this one. I have the 2022 LFP and as proven on my tests on my channel, I get 280+ miles in half decent weather at normal motorway speeds on long journeys. The RWD is more efficient. Big advantage is charge to 100% each time. I think for £10k less, the LR is a ‘hard sell’ for most. My 2022 RWD is a fantastic car, I prefer it to my 2018 S. I drive everywhere no issue, distance is not a problem in the RWD. Looks like the new one may get slightly more miles, but not much.
I actually find the audio in my 2022 RWD fantastic, better than the enhanced audio in the S. Nice to hear this one may be even better.
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Day to day normal driving you won't notice a difference. But as soon as you know in advance that you need to do a longer trip, you can charge the LR to 100%, and get a lot more range. So if you're doing quite some longer drives, I would still recommend the LR.
@@wavesnowaves the LG long range battery is poop. garbage battery pack. charges very slow after 30 percent its not a good road tripper if it doesnt charge quick. the ioniq 6 charges way faster im not comparing them but comparing the lg battery to last model 3 Panasonic its different. charging curve is bad
Thanks for this. And a mini review of the audio as the premium sound is not available on the SR. Very impressive range for a 57 or so kWh battery.
It is actually a 55 kWh battery,I've asked Tesla myself
Definitely worth getting the standard range for my personal preference,not to mention in summer 5mile per kWh would easily be achievable,cheers guys 👍😉💪
I have the ‘old’ SR with LFP and leave home with 260@100% charge, it suites me fine
Thanks for doing this video, SR is the one for me. 286M give or take is decent and living in London will give me access to super charging is I need to, whilst being to charge at home too. Thanks for mentioning the audio too!
You are not going to get 286M on long trips or short trips whilst using the heater a lot in London. Don't expect that. This is pretty much the besdt you will get out of the car.
@@AirElectricAppso what do you think? 250?
@@BigRobLandanHard to give a number as it depends on many things. On a zero C to negative C Weather day, with short runs in London, a lot of stopngo with a cold battery - your best bet would be about 160miles from 100% to 0%. In a normal winter day if you don't abuse the heater a lot, with StopNGo, maybe 200miles. Maybe less. With the heater off maybe 220 miles. You will also have to factor in things like sentry if you use it (this drains the battery while parked - it is best not to use it when you don't really need it). In the summer 280miles would be possible in the city as a max range.
Driving in London use roughly 240-290Wh, driving m25 about 215Wh
So what’s point of LR then if your recommended to charge to 80% most of the time? Would the range at 80% on LR match or there abouts 100% charge of Sr? So get the LR if you going to lots of long journeys but it’s recommended not to charge to beyond 80% often. Understanding EVs is tough, maybe just stick to my diesel car 😂😂
not sold on the longevity of the LFP. Tesla switched to this battery during the chip shortage, put it in the cheapest Tesla, and all of a sudden it became the “most durable battery”. If they really thought that, why is the battery warranty only 100k miles compared to the long range 120k mile warranty?
Yep. See my reply to your previous post.
The LFP batteries are superior to the NMC batteries in every way. They are taking the solar industry by storm. They will charge 6000 cycles or 16.4 years if you charge every day, while maintaining 80 - 90% of its capacity. NMC batteries are inferior by comparison.
Even though the visual improvements of the new 3 are subtle they have vastly improved the looks of this car. It looks really, really good!
Switched from 22 m3p to 24 lr. 24 lr is the best car i've driven. Highland is a totally different experience. I love it. Definitely recommend it.
Nice comparison test video. My nephew is all fired up to get a Tesla M3 of some description. Thing is, he can't make his mind up if he wants a used 2023 M3 LR or Std or New 2024 model. They are becoming very affordable now Used with decent low-ish mileage. My opinion? Seriously, if a Highland is going to put you badly out of pocket, a used heat pump model M3 is very appealing. Especially if you've never been that used to a Tesla, as he hasn't. Though he has test driven both those 2023 options now and loves them both, but also loves the sharper looks of the 2024s.
Send him to Richard!
@@rogerstarkey5390 I did suggest it.
Does the SR use LFP over there as well? If so, 80% of LR and 100% of SR (The recommended charge limits) are almost identical.
Yes, but its safe to charge the LR to 100% during longer journeys, just minimize the frequency of it. It´s fine once in a while when going on a 500 km trip.
Best electric car channel on UA-cam. If I buy a second hand Tesla - it’ll be from these guys. Worth the extra k or so compared tonautotrader
🤝👍 thanks for such nice words
I am mostly concerned about the audio, but glad to hear its not that much different. My current car doesn't have "premium" audio anyway. Just waiting for delivery of highland. Cheers
At motorway speeds it kinda misses the bass and depth from the back, but it’s pretty decent really
Thank you Richard for a real world comparison proving that both versions are vastly more efficient than its rivals. A certain well known motoring magazine should take tips from you guys on how to compare
Lol they are not
@@Aztasu Which EV is more efficient?
Great comparison, thanks Richard and Gints. SR for me; a better battery and my bladder can’t last the extra 120kms🤣Best regards Martin
What is better exactly on a battery that barely get more efficiency against a heavier car with an extra motor?
@@napobg6842you didn't watch the video huh? You can charge it to 100% daily.
@@TalReviews Yes, you can, if you want to ruin your battery
Really tough decision. I like added surity of 4WD but longevity if you buy outright maybe better with LFP?
The LR should have an 82kwh battery (75 usable), and it is not 4WD, it is AWD. The car is mostly rear wheel drive, the front motor is used for regenerative braking, during heavy acceleration and when the road is slippery.
If the road is not slippery and you are accelerating mildly in a straight line, it should not matter at all which motor is pulling - it should be the more efficient one for the speed, conditions.
Quite aware of what drives what but try and balance how much Info to put into video.
FYI it’s 79kwh. Could be 82kwh in Europe but we’ve never had that for LR in the UK. We had 82 in performance for a bit before they also went 79kwh
Good comparison. Thanks for finding the opportunities and posting.
Does the driving experience, specifically regarding regenerative braking, differ noticeably between the Long Range and Standard Range models?
It’s not as strong in the red, obviously. Mentioned that in video. But still very similar experience
Thanks Rich@@RSEV
Is the SR not on LFP and the LR on NMC. So the SR "should" have a longer lifespan on the battery than the LR (if the charged the same)
For company car and for people who drive long distance very often, the LR model worth the extra £10k. Also, in countries with snow, the AWD LR could be crucial.
For me, the SR Highland consumes 14% battery during a 70km daily commute. I got 3,500km in 2 months and the avergae consumption is 12,9kwh/100km. That's 450km range on a single charge in average. I've not used superchargers yet. Only charging in my garage at 16A 3,6kw/h (slowest possible wall charger). I don't even need an expensive higher capacity wall charger. In 8 hours during the night it charges 45% which covers 3 days of my commute. I've already saved over €200 on petrol. Insurance a little bit higher but there's no road tax and annual maintenance. So for people like me it's a no brainer to have an EV. Fast, quite, comfortable, cheap to run.
Thanks for the video, it shows I've made the right decision with the SR 😊
Ridefinement is important 😉 Standard Range seems like more than enough car for most people. Good test 👍🏻
Thanks Richard. I currently own LR model 3. When I drove the new SR highland, I was blown away! It’s far superior to the previous LR model 3. It’s very fast, very quiet, very sleek, luxurious and beautiful to behold. 👏🏾🕺🏾👍🏾🥰Thank you Tesla.
We have the Highland SR Model 3 and plug it in every evening to trickle charge it to 100%. Given that the LR should only be charged to 80% and that otherwise they are almost identical, I struggle to find a reason for the extra cost.
Maybe if one day the LR gets LFP batteries to unlock the full range on a daily basis, but for now it doesn't seem all that attractive to me.
Why the need to charge to 100%? I know you can with the LFP but if you aren't driving 250 miles per day then it wouldn't make sense.
Bought an early Polestar2 2020 as Tesla demos at that time had bits falling off. Couldn’t cope with hard ride and sold it early on. These reviews are making me think time to revisit with increased comfort build quality.. and the network of course.
Is the LR going to survive? Especially if a performance variant comes out.
Based on that test, LR would have 453 km at 80% (max. recommended daily charge level) and SR would be 460 km at 100%. So you would start each day with the same range and lose only in longer journeys. SR is a beast for its price.
Totally true. But to have an extra 20% available to you when on long trips it’s a pretty big booster
@@RSEV You get that 20% boost for the first leg. After that, you are likely charging only to the what you can fast charge until you finally get to your destination. It's not clear to me what that means in absolute miles but I heard it argued it closes the gap even further.
@@Lost_In_LAIt can also be the difference in having to stop for a charge or not on trips between 270 and 290 miles approximately.
Test drove the RWD today sound system is incredible very impressive and a big improvement over my 2022 rwd
Do not test drive the long range if you’re considering the SR
Ok i own a Tesla 2022 RWD, and i love the sound system. And you say its a BIG improvement? :) LOL it's better for myself probably to NOT drive the Highland to keep myself happy and keep the money in the pocket.
@@HermanWillems If you have kids don't forget to teach them about the emergency exit in the rear as it is like no other car. And if power goes have them jump the front seat as there's no way in to the rear from the outside.
@@twotone3871 no kids. Sorry. Wish i had them though. Not easy to find a decent woman to actually start a family with. Money is easy. Woman are difficult.
@@Skeetskeet333why not?
This video makes me confident to buy the rwd and save some money. Thank you! :)
Referral code in the video description
How good does it look in red 😍
Another amazing video!
Isn’t there now a long range rear wheel drive , at £45,000 ? . Have you a video for this one ???
Great video again Richard! Btw, isn’t the charging speeds also different between the two cars?
Best Tesla reviews, awesome video again. Thank you
Just searched for this, nice timing:)
The long range is a bit of a weird proposition, you cannot really justify buying it given the price difference. I am glad Tesla made the standard range so good, I think all in all it is a positive for consumers. Would love a standard range with the bigger battery though and only a 4k increase or something.
This. The figures the RWD is pulling now from my own testing if I got another one Id seriously consider it over a LR or P the efficiency is rediculous. They are quick enough.
@@gfusionif you drove the long range for a few months then drove the Std range I believe you would change your mind
@@trevorshields7347Only if you are an aggressive driver.
Great review Richard, I was interested to see this one.
Nice comparison! Thank you guys...very informative!! Cheers!
I have an SR and I don’t think I could justify the long range and I’ve done 68,000 miles in 20 months so I’ve tested it thoroughly!
Spectacular. I’m considering buying one and realizing the difference of what is delivered in relation to the price is really very important. Thank you very much for the video.
Exactly what I needed to know. THANKS!
Low consumption so great efficiency, but low average speed 84km/h 52.19Mi/h . Overall great Car . Greetings from Spain
Looking forward to this one!
Thanks for excellent review. I had a 2021 M3 LR for 3 years, very satisfied but sold prior to warranty expiration, and will now consider a rear-wheel drive version purchase in May (do not need car in Winter). Hopefully the speakers can be upgraded for an extra cost, as was possible a couple of years ago. And thanks for the audio-comparison, valuable! Happy to hear (...) that the SR comes out well and better than the previous version.
Couple of questions, is this relevant to the model y too? Are the differences the same?
At what trim level do you get privacy glass in either 3 or y?
In Iceland, where we have snowy (sometimes a lot) and icy conditions for 4-5 months every year the AWD Long Range is preferably needed for traction and there are not that many Tesla Chargers in Iceland. And btw, its safe to charge the Long Range up to 100% for longer journeys but minimize the frequency of it and do not keep the car at 100% charge like you actually can with the SR
Does the standard range use LFP batteries? If so,u can charge the battery to 100% and get the same charge as the long range at 80%. Then it would definitely be worth getting the standard and save $10,000.
Yes indeed LFP
thank you
The video was quite long and no marked sections so it was hard to follow as I tried to skip a lot of the irrelevant discussions (without markings it was not possible to identify interesting sections). So it was not clear what was the distance, what wwere the conditions and speed driven - was that something established as a ruleset or something more ad hoc as it seemed to be - but it seems it was a fairly low speed travel so probably shows unrealistically high range. Also, I was confused whether difference was 106 or 120 kph at the end, I guess doesn't really matter? I am looking for sources to figure out if I do a long distance travel how often I would need to charge on highway at 130 kph so I can see how disruptive such a car would be on a 900-1000km trip... maybe I stumbled upon the wrong video for that.
If would have watched the video it would have answered your questions and less time than typing that out 🤷♂️
Hi Richard, just wondering why you keep referring to Model 3s as AWD/4WD? Please explain. Model 3s and Y only drive the front wheels when applying traction control, doing a launch, pre-conditioning or going over 150 kmph. In the benign conditions of your trip both cars were RWD. The dual motor LR has a larger battery and a front motor so has added dead weight to overcome (laws of physics still apply to Teslas) so would be "less efficient" than the SR. So the additional cost of the LR gives some extra range, pre-conditioning and traction control.
tested the LR which pitches and yaws a tad too much for my taste during hard acceleration and braking. Is the SR better due to it being less powerful and lighter?
If you never plan to leave "town" and road trip, standard 100%. But if you think you will take road trips and plan to keep the car for 3-5 years or more I'd say LR all the way. It all adds up over time in my opinion. Resale is better as well
Are the differences carried over to the model. Y. In particular, the Soundsystem…
I would like to know about the performance of the model, what is the difference in range
Great video guys, thanks! This is perfect as I was considering whether to go SR or LR once my current lease finishes… originally was thinking LR but then later thought with the efficiency improvements etc that SR would probably be fine and a lot cheaper… you’ve confirmed this for me today 😃
If you daily charge the LR to 80% and the Std range to 100%, there's no difference in range. And the LFP battery IMO is better for longevity. I'm at 95,000 km on our 2022 Std range model 3 with only 7 km range loss.
If it were better for longevity, why would Tesla give you 120k warranty on LR and 100k on SR?
@antoinepageau8336 What is your charge habit then? I have found a discussion on UA-cam were the range loss is like 5 to 7% with LFP at 50,000 to 100,000 km. I had a Model 3 LR till last week and at 80,000km with a loss with 3.5%. I charge to 80% and don't go down mostly below 10%. On long trips I go to 100% (top it off from 80% to 100% just before I leave). And leave it between 40 to 65%, when I don't drive it for a few days. Everybody says that LFP can charge without loose to 100%. But if you leave that LFP battery at 100% more than 1 days, that can't be good for the battery. Or leave it at 10% for a long time.
Great video, thanks Richard. SR is a great car. Looking at the efficiency of the LR in the video, a quick note to share what I got out of my 2020 LR (Gen 1, no heat pump) driving one week the exact same distance and route, at about 7C outside temp, at max legal speed , climate at 20C, distance of 79 miles (M3 - M27 - A31), I returned 236W/mile. Did the same route with heating off and returned 229W/mile so not a big difference with/without heating on. You can see the difference between Gen 1 and Highland: 211W vs 236W. Still, the SR beats everything.
Always enjoy your videos and thank you very much for the conversion to metric.
Thanks Pro regards from Holland
Great videos and reviews of the new Highland. I’m struggling to connect to Intelligent octopus, any advice on how to add a virtual key (on the Tesla app) to allow connectivity to the Octopus app ?? 🙏🏼
Hi Richard, great channel with really informative videos. I have a 2023 Model 3 Long Range RWD which I think would make for some interesting comparisons. Range in the summer was always 350 miles plus.
Great video as usual… I would love to know if Tesla has fixed the auto wipers? I currently have a Model Y and the auto wipers drive me bonkers! Also a bit dangerous. Apart from that the car is great… well one other thing recently has happened the memory settings for the mirrors has stopped working properly. So, every time I drive the car I have to manually reset the mirrors. I am thinking of buying the the new model 3 or waiting for the new model Y. Many thanks 😊
No they haven’t, they’re shit
Richard thank you for an excellent comparison. I am convinced that the highland SR is close enough in range compared with my 2021 Dual Motor LR. Any news on when we might get the adaptive matrix led headlights on the M3 in the UK?
How does suspension compare to each other?
Same. Rwd does feel a little lighter at the front of course but ride comfort very similar
Good to know. Looks like for both AWD and RWD, the multi link suspension on the rear makes a big difference compared to the outgoing M3. Appreciate your response!
I believe SR has RWD therefore the steering wheel feels better than LR which has dual motor. Do you think so, too?
I can't compare with LR but my RWD 2024 has worst braking than AWD for sure, because when you are descending on a slippery road or zebra crossing the car can block the rear wheels with regen braking, and this is not an ABS task because brakes are without pressure. So the motor gives a little power to unlock the rear wheels and this is caotic.
Hello! Can you change the display lights in the model 3 from one color to RGB? Multicolor
70 miles extra would be a massive benefit if you don't have access to home charging.
Great video. I don't own an electric car but would i be correct in saying that nobody drives the full range of the battery? So if you wanted to plug in the least amount of times it would probably only meaning using 70 - 80% of the full capacity?
I've had my standard range Tesla Y for one year. The reason I went for the standard range was the LFP battery. 100% charging. No fire risk. Much longer battery life.
it’s so interesting. when i got my dec 21 SR What Car etc all said that the best buy was the LR but it’s pretty clear that the best buy for the majority of people was/is the SR/RWD. But you see so many more dual motor variants around than the SR. and this is a country where the average daily mileage is 30 miles. i wonder if we will start to see the SR/RWD replacing the LR as the best buy. you’d only spend that extra 10k if that 70 mile extra range was needed weekly or you live in the country and need AWD
Ive witnessed a lot people buy a LR first and then a SR second, because they realise they don’t need 5 hours driving non stop
@@RSEV yep, there’s no way i can drive 5hrs non stop now. bladder has less range than the car!
Would still like you to a full motorway efficiency test. I always say take 50 miles off any EV 's quoted "WLTP" for a real world range estimate and that is what you have shown. But this was also done in 9 degC ambient temps so summer driving it will get very close to or even over 300 miles I suspect.
Yes I’m looking forward to more tests..
Do you think there's £10k of difference between the cars, especially given that aesthetically the only difference is the door card & dash insert material? Seems like quite a hefty price hike for an extra motor & bigger battery? Kinda feels like the opposite of how it used to be with Performance vs LR - now Performance has distinct visual differences, and its the LR and RWD that look too similar (in my opinion)
This is an interesting and helpful film for me. I live about 2mins from where you started in Sainsbury’s car park. I work a lot in London and currently trying to work out which is best for me. My round trip is about 250 miles, so both cars would be fine but having never had an EV I’m suffering from range anxiety and leaning towards the long range model 3 or Y. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
I would get the Long Range, if it was a one day round trip. Unless you have a slow charger at the destination to add some miles on the battery in London. Tomorrow I pickup my SR Model 3. I drove almost 5 years the LR AWD Model 3.
LR also regens with the rear motor. Only when it's slippery it uses the front motor
Yay, I love your range tests. Thanks for showing the differences. I wonder how long it'll be till they upgrade the LR battery 🤔
You mean to LFP? Probably not for a few years. You understand that the energy density on the LFP is quite lower than with the NCx tech, so for the size, it is still not doable.
The future is to use 55 and maybe 70 kWh with LFP but also to improve efficiency (lower computer consumption, better engines, etc), that way NCx could end. But I imagine it will take >5 years to get there.
@@ricarmigM3P is a variant of LFP is coming that based on LFP with added element from NCA. I think already used on Performance battery
Great video Richard and Gintz as always. One question that wasn't answered in this and similar videos, whats the expected resale value at the end of a lease.
Presumably the SR takes a bigger hit due to the smaller batter and any degradation would have a larger impact on a smaller battery!
Seeing as you are in the used EV market, you are just the man to answer this question. I hope you do soon :) Thanks :)
That's a very hard question to answer because a lot can happen in a few years that will affect the resale prices. We can predict and speculate but the simple answer is that nobody knows.
Pricing second hand cars with the battery degradation on EVs is going to be hard for a while. What are the prices like for an iPhone 11 compared to an iPhone 15? I suspect that resale values will change to become much more like phones due to the cost of replacing the battery unless Tesla come up with a standard much cheaper way of replacing it with a reconditioned battery
I do quite a lot of videos about used EV market and demand v supply to but comment on what a brand new model will be worth in 3 years is nonsensical in this context
@@RSEV it largely also depends on what demand and people’s attitudes are to EVs in 5 years time once the rebates start to truly taper off. Currently in the US we get a rebate when buying a new or second hand one, but this will not always be the case.
Hey Richard, I think you missed the point I was making. I was referring to the current situation where there are SR and LR's out there. If you have two that have exactly the same age and mileage, are they the some price 2nd hand or is there an allowance added for the larger battery capacity?
Conversely, is the SR cheaper than and identical LR due to a smaller battery and therefore potential larger gross loss in range with degradation.
I'm not ask you to speculate on the used values 3 years into the future. I'm asking what is you experience with the factors I've listed above.
Would be nice to know, if you had that information. :)
Keep up the great work.
Wow. Both cars are super efficient.
Yes they are!
Great test. Interesting that there seems to be really no relevant effciency difference between my Model 3 LR from late 2021 and the Highland regarding range. I had real world range of 569 km when new. Now 5% degradation after 60,000km.
Great vid as always the standard range is. all the car you need, The audio review was very interesting as well
Richard - another great video, we actually drove this exact car on an extended test drive a couple of weeks ago, from Tesla Bournemouth. Over 50 miles on local roads averaged 5 miles kWh. Great test route, Sainsbury’s Ferndown - Tesla Winchester - Tesla Bournemouth?
you forget with the larger battery pack you charge is faster to get more miles as it trickle charge affect. I can get 220m in about 8 min where the standard will only get about 130 in the same amount of time. Most people forget about this.
As long as you don’t need AWD the SR is great. In cold temperatures (-10C and less) the LR is the one to get.
How much difference is there on lease prices between the two as most company cars are leased?
Thanks for this very interesting video. It's the Dual Motor for me, but in the Model Y. Can I ask how you get on with the indicator buttons, especially when leaving a roundabout? I haven't had a chance to try the new design interior yet
I got used to the buttons after 2 days, all good
Very informative and helpful. Thanks gents.
I wish they would do LR RWD like they did for fleet and run out models before Highland was released.
Great episode again highland Chief reviewer So far in a UK winter I’m getting consistent 212wh/m from the SR on 18 inch wheels imo that’s pretty good at the price point
What are the most common faults on tesla 3? An their costs? Could you do a video about it please?
The whole car is a fault unfortunately.
Do both versions come with car mats?