Being the proud owner of a 5711 with blue dial (miraculously acquired at retail at the AD more or less across the street from my house), I can say that it is 100% worth it. There is nothing like the feel of the bracelet on the wrist and the look of the dial as it catches the light in different ways. However, I would never pay a grey market price for it. That is definitely not worth it.
Of course it's not worth it. Have you had a replica on beside a real one? There is little difference. Certainly not enough difference to justify the price difference. However it does feel special to wear it but that's only because you know how much you paid for it.... Vein consumerism at its best
@Arkadi Danielyan Well not really because that's not what I said at all is it? Anything is worth its value as long as you can see where the money went. For example a range rover sport is worth the same as this. The range rover has a lot of metal in it, top of the range technology, leather seats, impressive engineering. You get a lot of bang for your buck. This is a small stainless steel watch..... Not worth 50k. Have you had one on? It's nice but fail to see why you'd spend so much money on a mass produced stainless steel watch....... Now like I actually said in my post if you would read it again is I cannot see where the extra 49800 $ goes into getting the real deal v replica. If a replica can be built to nearly exacting standards (bar the movement obv) then I shudder to think how much PP make per watch. If you have worn a A. Lange & sohne you can see where the money goes as they are made in limited quatities and generally out of precious metals etc.
Had the 5711, bought at an AD. Wore it for three years. Then I stopped and it sat in my watchbox. With the recent increase in value, and after soul searching I sold it. No point in having a safe queen. Gorgeous watch, beautifully made. I’m much happier with the Chronometre Bleu on my wrist tho
My boss had this watch on the last day of his work before retiring. In his last speech he said "Work smart until you have spare money to buy a Patek".. after 3 months the finance dept found out my boss took a lot of under the table transactions. Smart indeed. ahaha
The detailed photography on the 5711 and the Daytona reveal some pretty chewed up examples. Not a big deal, but still, it kind of obscures the question being asked.
The reason these watches are expensive is pretty simple; everyone wants one, Patek won't step up production to meet demand, and the only way to circumvent the multi-year waiting list is to buy one on the secondary market. Now, who has the money to just throw away to get what they want when they want it? Millionaire's and Billionaire's who won't think twice about overpaying if it means they get to show off their cool 'new' watch to all their friends. This is very much the same thing that has been happening with classic sports cars; the rich flooding the market, bidding against one another and causing the prices to skyrocket to the point where the idea of an average person being able to afford one is a pipe dream. The only difference in this case, is that it's all artificial. A 1955 Mercedes 300 SLR that won the Mille Miglia is truly one of a kind... but a steel sports watch that Patek could mass produce if they really wanted to? Quite the scam if you ask me. I'll just buy a $300 Chinese knockoff which is surprisingly passable to the non-watch enthusiast; and it will get me just as laid as a real one. :)
The story I have heard was Genta was inspired by the "porthole of a ship" - specifically, transatlantic ocean-liners. Never heard "submarine" before this video. The Nautilus' "older brother", the Royal Oak, was designed by Genta a few years earlier. Inspiration for that design was allegedly an old diver helmet -- hence the octagonal shape and pronounced screws around the bezel. One of my favorite parts of the back story to this watch (that was not mentioned in this video) was the time it took Genta to come up with the Nautilus. Story goes (from his own account) that the design only took him a few minutes to sketch out. Obviously there was a lot of work to be done once it became a real project with Patek, but the soul of the watch and core characteristics were done in just a few minutes. I'd like to believe that story, mainly because when I look at the watch I do see a very organic, simplistic design that can easily be described as the natural reaction and idea of a true artist. The core design of the Royal Oak by Genta has a similar backstory regarding timing. Genta apparently sketched out the watch in one night on the eve of Basel 1971. Genta himself later called the Royal Oak the masterpiece of his career. I own a 15400 ST for the history of the Royal Oak, what it did to the "luxury" watch industry during a period of uncertainty, and a celebration of Genta design. I would have preferred to pony up for a jumbo 15202, but unfortunately that was not possible as a 1st time AP customer in the current market environment. For a time/date only piece, I think it has an edge over the 5711/1A if I had to pick one. That being said, I am currently waiting for a 5712/1A. I think the 5712 and the 15400 can play nicely together in a collection. I have always liked the '12 over the '11 because it gives you a taste of the complication that Patek does so masterfully well in such a thin case design. I also think the "controlled chaos" of it's asymmetric dial is truly unique and hard to find elsewhere.
You are 100% right that it is a "porthole of a ship" and not submarine for the inspiration. Subs don't have portholes or any type of windows, haha. It's basically Instagram driving some watches to silly prices right now. There are many pieces I own or have owned including the Hulk, Pepsi 16750, AP 15300 , AP Diver, DateJust's etc. where I paid less than retail. The only brands that are trading above retail are Rolex, PP and AP. It's funny to see that brands that are just as prestigious and comparable in terms of finishing and history can be had at deep discounts such as A Lange, JLC and Vacheron. I'll be looking for deals with those manufacture's as well as vintage Rolex pieces till the hype dies down. Recently picked up an OysterQuartz which has < 25000 pieces ever made.That is true hype right there that the Instagram crowd doesn't know about yet. In this watch game you need to zig when others zag and vice versa.
"Nautilus" as a name when it comes to vessels almost exclusively refers to submarines. The most famous one being from the Jules Verne novel. In the book the salons porthole is described as -oval-, and from what I've heard that was exactly the inspiration to the watch. Makes the most sense since real subs don't need portholes, and why name it after a sub if the inspiration was a normal ship?
I remember about 7 years ago, I was in the market for a high end steel sports watch, deciding between the AP Royal Oak 15300, 15202 and the Patek 5711. The Patek was offered at $18k preowned. Decided to get the 15300 used for $9k, side by side the AP seemed like a better and more luxurious watch. The 15202 was about $15k at the time and I liked having a more modern movement with screw down crown and a second hand. Certainly the 5711 would have been a better investment, but it’s not a better watch. The 5711 at retail is pretty egregiously overpriced considering what else you can get from Patek in their non sports line for similar money. Right now you can get at least on the secondary market a precious metal Perpetual Calendar from Patek for the same money as 5711, you have a pretty bad case of the Instagram envy or whatever social disorder to spend $50k on a steel Nautilus
AP blows it out of the water in every way if you put it side-by-side with a Royal oak for example the Royal oak finishing looks so much more Superior it just looks like a more beautiful eye static watch then the Nautilus
Christian - Please tell us which you'd rather own..... A new Vacheron Constantin Overseas of your choice; or the Patek Philippe Nautilus of your choice? To make it easy, a VC Simple Date vs. PP 5711.....but the Dual-Time review you did was great and it's a great watch. Thanks!
I also bought one of the last Generation 2 models right after Generation 3 was introduced. With a hefty discount of around one third I ended up paying the price of a Submariner for a brand new VC OS 2 back in September 2016.
It’s worth $20-25K or so, but not the ridiculous aftermarket and grey market prices being asked. And at the level it’s worth, there are great alternatives (e.g., VC, AP, Blancpain, Breuget, Rolex, etc.).
Not the one demonstrated here. Was the previous owner, a road repair person? Probably more money than sense, to mistreat a watch like this 5711, with such distain!
I never liked the design personally. Love the Royal Oak but never the Nautilus as it always reminded me of a 70s TV. And though I've been falling in love lately, I can't say it's worth the mark up. Great vid, Christian
For the money the Nautilus is currently trading at you can get a perpetual calendar watch like the 5496 from Patek Philippe. That being said, I bought a 5711J at auction back in 2016 when prices were more "reasonable" The problem is that I really like this watch, whereas I don't like the Daytona, Royal Oak or Aquanaut, so I am currently on the waiting list for the 5711A with the silver dial, hoping that it will not be discontinued soon as was the 5726A with silver dial this year...
The PP Nautilus is worth that amount because the collectors say it is. From just a materials point of view, no watch is worth more than a couple of grand. Unless you decorate it with gems and such. Patek has carefully nurtured their image and truthfully their history is amazing and at the end of the day, you are paying for their image and reputation.
You would really have to love a watch like the Nautilus to pay up to own it. I mean truly and deeply love it. I'm not sure I could find that kind of love for any watch. But you know what? I'm still going to try!
It all comes down to "looks." The Aquanaut is rather ugly where the Nautilus is unusually well proportioned. The dial of the Aquanaut is especially ill conceived. Gerald Genta designed the Nautilus, one of his finest designs. Some hack at Patek designed the Aquanaut as a derivation of the Nautilus. The quality of the designs makes all the difference.
To me Nautilus 5711 is THE watch... Had the chance to get one at 65k... I know it’s expensive but no other way to get one. And it’s still pretty cheap for an iconic,.. the most iconic watch (with maybe daytona but in a better way!)
I picked up a new aquanaut with a steel bracelet. Lovely piece but I think I’d rather own that platinum Daytona. Tried it on a while ago and I just can’t forget that heft. Feels like a legitimate tank.
How difficult is the watch to make? In this day and age not difficult at all. Nice looking design etc but worth that kind of money? If you've got it and you like it you buy it but I wouldn't pay double retail for anything.
What puts me off both the Royal Oak and the Nautilus is their gimmicky backstory, and what their success says about luxury watches in general. They have no sporting appeal to me because they were made for no other purpose whatsoever than to be luxurious. Their claim to fame is a marketing and rebranding success, which is not what one might call cool. To an extent this is true for any watch company which survived the quartz crisis. Fact of the matter is that watches are no longer a utility. However the Nautilus is arguably taking this fact, which isn't something it would seem the watch industry or the customers are all that comfortable with given that people are still mostly out to buy Divers and Racing chronos, and just rubs in everyones faces just because. How are real sportswatches any different? If you go far back enough into the Rolex submariners backstory you find diving. If you go back into the Cartier Santos history you'll find Zeppelin aviation. If you look at the Speedmasters history you'll find the moonlanding. You know, real bad a** stuff. When you strap one of these on you can pretend you have some sort of connection with all that. In fact wearing these watches may be more of a celebration of the fact that people went to the moon and flew zeppelins than anything else. If you look at the Royal Oak and Nautilus history you'll find arguably AP and then PP daring you, double-daring you motherf***er, to spend more money on a steel watch than on a gold watch, not in spite of the redundancy of mechanical watches, but rather because of the redundancy of mechanical watches. That's some emperors new clothes type of s***, if the emperor was told in advance what was going happen, wasn't given any clothes and proceeded to go out buck naked anyway on purpose. There's a common stereotype of luxury watch buyers that they're all just rich a**holes flaunting their wealth on frivolous stuff. When I think of the Sea-Dwellers history I can say "They wrong! These items are meaningful celebrations of mankinds accomplishments!" When I look at the Nautilus I think "S***, they're absolutely right. OMG. Why do I spend money on these things?"
@@sircopperfield7420 You could say same thing about any watch, including a yuuuge gold-plated Invicta. There obviously is no objective right or wrong in choosing a watch to wear. Nevertheless I think these watches are lame, historical importance and build quality be damned.
@@bcleerdin they might not have a heritage in that way, but they do stand for something. To me, the nautilus and royal oak show that you are a real watch aficionado. It proves that you do not care about gold value, or precious shiny diamonds, but instead give more attention to the movement inside your watch, the craftsmanship of your product, and a sturdy steel case that will protect the movement better than the brittle gold/platinum. I have to admit that due to the popularity of them, this has effect has leveled down a bit, but the same could be said about the solid gold submariner. In fact, most people do not even understand the resistance of divers. My dad is scared of swimming with my seiko frankenmonster, which is literally the definition of a divers watch. This is because the glamour of nice timepieces (Rolex, ap, pp, jlc, Lange, etc) has made him assume that any well made watch is brittle. Which is not the case. Even though you have a point, I will always have the royal oak (in specific) as a grail, as the level of craftsmanship that is given to a regular everyday diver is unreachable by others. And even though I love other watches with more heritage, like the Calatrava, I would be God scared to wear them anywhere while a royal oak could be my daily!
@Dundlele Bundy you might say so, but gold is also far softer than steel, even when presented with alloys, I would bet my life that steel will last longer and resist more. In specific with keeping corrosion out of my watch, as the softness of gold could potentially let water in from places like the crown. And while I must admit that Patek's case finishing is not top tier, (also I don't see GS as a common watch, they are beautiful!) I was referring to the level of decoration in the movement. If you look for nice case finishing, it's instant competitor, the Royal oak is a better candidate. And lastly, gold is heavier that steel, so having it made out of steel will just make it easier for the piece to wear everyday
personally I get it I think it and it's aqua brother are the best looking watches out there. the sizing and there go with most occasions and under stated looks. they are stunning. as much as I like rolex and respect the Daytona. they are everywhere and the plat with blue dial was advertised on every shop window in the UK so it just doesnt seem that special. keep up the great videos.
You shouldn't be comparing it to a platinum watch. Compare it with a stainless steel Daytona. Considerably cheaper than the Nautilus at retail but with a similar waiting time and similar profit margin on the resale market.
Not to me. Saving up for the 3rd Gen VC Overseas dual time, and wouldn’t give the Patek a second thought with the premium, at retail it’s worth a look.
I'll take the Platinum Daytona any day over the patek and I don't think the pat tech is that beautiful at all in my opinion. It's an average-looking watch at best
Never understood the craze of the Nautilus. Not an attractive watch to me and seems way overvalued in my opinion. Value proposition with Rolex is way more that Patek with most models.
It’s a beautiful timepiece no doubt but I have chosen to be moderate and pick the Aquanaut (same caliber but half of the price and have a fresher understated presence. However, both are over priced in the gray market... Great review, thank you!
Because patek phillipe Nautilus , Audemars piguet and vacheron constantin comes under the Holy Trinity club. Thats why everyone loves them and the company charges more
Much of the price inflation is definitely fueled by hype and not much else. That said, it doesn’t mean it’s in a bubble. Some of the stuff that’s gotten popular lately, especially vintage Rolex and Omega is also inflated by hype but I don’t see those bubbles bursting anytime soon either. There’s just something about those watches that makes their demand higher than their intrinsic worth and, unless there’s some big scandal, I think that will continue for a long time. As for me I’ll just stick with my Seiko SARB033.
It’s too much money/. I’d worry about it too much. Even if I were rich. I’m fine with a Longines hydro conquest. I’m sure it’s amazing to hold and appreciate but. That $ is insane.
Worth probably it’s retail but not crazy hype money. All non wis are now focused on Nautiluses. What happens when all the celebrities move away to the next hot thing and the Nautilus starts falling in popularity? Happened a lot of times with a lot of different watches
Buzz? I mean, the nautilus dial is (in my opinion) miles ahead of the aquanaut. I'm not saying that that justifies the price, but when you're talking exclusivity of the world's most esteemed brand, I feel like there's more to consider than just the specs you can read off of a page :) good video btw, just adding my opinion
Also the question "is it worth the money?" is a hard one. Will someone pay this price? if yes, then it's worth that value! people clearly keep buying it, so there's some invisible hand present it seems
Could you make a video on good high-quality designer watches to consider buying if one cannot afford the high price bracket of luxury watches like Rolex. By designer watches I mean, Mondaine, Citizen, Rotary, Fossil and any of that kind :) New subscriber and I love your videos they're awesome
I think it is a barrage of things. The prestige, the designer, the look, the craftsmanship, and the brand. It only takes a couple of things to create a demand.
the more i learn and the more I try different levels of watches the more you learn the levels of diminished returns. I feel like that argument is the universal agreement to all these comparatives.
The answer your question. None of these luxury watches are worth what they're being marketed. A Stainless Steel watch selling for 55-70k is a pure scam. It is the law of supply and demand, that's it. How do you justify a watch that isn't even made from precious metal and selling it higher than Daytona or Gold watch? How does a SS watch worth more than White Gold Daytona. Look at the 5711. It's plain jane... what a scam.
If you are rich and want a sports watch but think Rolex and Panerai are too plebian and commonplace, then Nautilus is the watch for you. But yeah, it is not an especially handsome watch at a glance (though, upon inspection, Patek's quality and finish make themselves obvious)--and the fact that you can have two Rolexes for the same price--or a white gold Lange 1815 Up/Down--or a stainless steel JLC Perpetual Calendar--means that it is a smart purchase only for two groups of people: those who wear only one watch and want it to be a Patek, and those who already have a dozen luxury watches and want to add another one.
I follow the Ferrari market and it’s the predecessor of what you describe here. No apparent reason why certain models skyrocket, though with Ferrari #s made really matter. I personally wouldn’t touch a PP Nautilus (and I love the brand). They aren’t limited production and will come down to earth. My advice, if you truly love the design - 1st look at the Old school Royal Oak cuz the PP is really a branded homage piece in my opinion (sorry the truth hurts). Too bad Genta couldn’t come up with another brilliant design. The porthole is a winner
So, given the comments here, I am almost embarrassed to say I actually bought two of these 5711s. The blue has a very different character than the white. Yes, I paid the aftermarket prices on both. It is a desirable watch, and I get that we are in a bubble, I really wanted these. I do wear them and while most people have no idea about watches or Patek, each brings me personal joy. Watches are my passion and owning them are primarily for me as opposed to others. I will agree that you have to be half insane to pay the premium otherwise.
Really? 5711 is no 15202... I got mine for $18k 5+ years ago, when the instagram chav crowd didn't exist and you couldn't thankfully finance them... We live in sad times, considering Patek's most notable watch is one that was made in the last 50 years of its multi hundred year life... Most of its notoriety coming by the mere fact that genta designed it and along with the Aqua act as an entry point into Haute Horology ... I was hoping you'd say, if I only had one watch it would be a 5270 Salmon, 5004, 2499 or even a 5320 ... not a Naut.
Pseudo nym I just find it so.. versatile. And I really just love the look. It’s my favorite nautilus, but I’ll check the references you wrote there. Thanks! Btw what a bargain you got there
Pseudo nym I just checked all the pateks out, and they’re all beatiful, but 1. I’m sure they’re all more expensive (at least at retail) than a 5711 and 2. Are all very dressy pieces. The 5711 has 120m of water resistance! You can even go swimming with it haha. But you can also wear it to your wedding.That’s what I love about it.
@@lorenzmb Not having a dig at you, you like what you like :) ... just if you could choose just one watch... any watch... now you have some further food for thought :)
Objectively speaking its not worth it but since you can’t have it even if you had the money for buying retail, makes it worth it...its about the understated flex.
Watching this video in mid-2021 is a trip 😂
only 55k back then lol
Bargain haha
jan 2022, 50k for a platinum Daytona and 55k for a 5711. madness.
how about watch it Q1 2022？😂😂
Try 2022
Being the proud owner of a 5711 with blue dial (miraculously acquired at retail at the AD more or less across the street from my house), I can say that it is 100% worth it. There is nothing like the feel of the bracelet on the wrist and the look of the dial as it catches the light in different ways. However, I would never pay a grey market price for it. That is definitely not worth it.
I'm thinking about getting a 70 dollars replica..
I’m 13 and got one for Christmas it’s kinda big but it doesn’t catch too much attention
@@gingerfootball744 you should get the AP Royal oak replica. It will look much better on younger people(I'm 17) you should look into the 37mm
Of course it's not worth it. Have you had a replica on beside a real one? There is little difference. Certainly not enough difference to justify the price difference. However it does feel special to wear it but that's only because you know how much you paid for it.... Vein consumerism at its best
@Arkadi Danielyan Well not really because that's not what I said at all is it? Anything is worth its value as long as you can see where the money went. For example a range rover sport is worth the same as this. The range rover has a lot of metal in it, top of the range technology, leather seats, impressive engineering. You get a lot of bang for your buck. This is a small stainless steel watch..... Not worth 50k. Have you had one on? It's nice but fail to see why you'd spend so much money on a mass produced stainless steel watch.......
Now like I actually said in my post if you would read it again is I cannot see where the extra 49800 $ goes into getting the real deal v replica. If a replica can be built to nearly exacting standards (bar the movement obv) then I shudder to think how much PP make per watch. If you have worn a A. Lange & sohne you can see where the money goes as they are made in limited quatities and generally out of precious metals etc.
Had the 5711, bought at an AD. Wore it for three years. Then I stopped and it sat in my watchbox. With the recent increase in value, and after soul searching I sold it.
No point in having a safe queen.
Gorgeous watch, beautifully made.
I’m much happier with the Chronometre Bleu on my wrist tho
quality replacement FP Journe - awesome choice
Worth over 100k now
@@MrQuicky2407 he missed.
@@sourav7162 he has the chronometre bleu!
Hey Christian, what mic is that?
Rode NT-USB Condenser Microphone.
And I’m just here chillin with my new Timex
boy this video ages well
Like Beijing corn
My boss had this watch on the last day of his work before retiring. In his last speech he said "Work smart until you have spare money to buy a Patek".. after 3 months the finance dept found out my boss took a lot of under the table transactions. Smart indeed. ahaha
The detailed photography on the 5711 and the Daytona reveal some pretty chewed up examples. Not a big deal, but still, it kind of obscures the question being asked.
The key thing is the more you look at it, the more FIRE the design seems to you!!!
Looking back now, that ridiculous price was the right decision to purchase 5711. Now USD 120k.
The reason these watches are expensive is pretty simple; everyone wants one, Patek won't step up production to meet demand, and the only way to circumvent the multi-year waiting list is to buy one on the secondary market. Now, who has the money to just throw away to get what they want when they want it? Millionaire's and Billionaire's who won't think twice about overpaying if it means they get to show off their cool 'new' watch to all their friends. This is very much the same thing that has been happening with classic sports cars; the rich flooding the market, bidding against one another and causing the prices to skyrocket to the point where the idea of an average person being able to afford one is a pipe dream. The only difference in this case, is that it's all artificial. A 1955 Mercedes 300 SLR that won the Mille Miglia is truly one of a kind... but a steel sports watch that Patek could mass produce if they really wanted to? Quite the scam if you ask me. I'll just buy a $300 Chinese knockoff which is surprisingly passable to the non-watch enthusiast; and it will get me just as laid as a real one. :)
The story I have heard was Genta was inspired by the "porthole of a ship" - specifically, transatlantic ocean-liners. Never heard "submarine" before this video.
The Nautilus' "older brother", the Royal Oak, was designed by Genta a few years earlier. Inspiration for that design was allegedly an old diver helmet -- hence the octagonal shape and pronounced screws around the bezel.
One of my favorite parts of the back story to this watch (that was not mentioned in this video) was the time it took Genta to come up with the Nautilus. Story goes (from his own account) that the design only took him a few minutes to sketch out. Obviously there was a lot of work to be done once it became a real project with Patek, but the soul of the watch and core characteristics were done in just a few minutes. I'd like to believe that story, mainly because when I look at the watch I do see a very organic, simplistic design that can easily be described as the natural reaction and idea of a true artist.
The core design of the Royal Oak by Genta has a similar backstory regarding timing. Genta apparently sketched out the watch in one night on the eve of Basel 1971. Genta himself later called the Royal Oak the masterpiece of his career.
I own a 15400 ST for the history of the Royal Oak, what it did to the "luxury" watch industry during a period of uncertainty, and a celebration of Genta design. I would have preferred to pony up for a jumbo 15202, but unfortunately that was not possible as a 1st time AP customer in the current market environment. For a time/date only piece, I think it has an edge over the 5711/1A if I had to pick one. That being said, I am currently waiting for a 5712/1A. I think the 5712 and the 15400 can play nicely together in a collection. I have always liked the '12 over the '11 because it gives you a taste of the complication that Patek does so masterfully well in such a thin case design. I also think the "controlled chaos" of it's asymmetric dial is truly unique and hard to find elsewhere.
I think the surface-level Nautilus fan goes for the 5711... dig a little bit deeper and the 5712 is the true winner through and through
You are 100% right that it is a "porthole of a ship" and not submarine for the inspiration. Subs don't have portholes or any type of windows, haha.
It's basically Instagram driving some watches to silly prices right now. There are many pieces I own or have owned including the Hulk, Pepsi 16750, AP 15300 , AP Diver, DateJust's etc. where I paid less than retail. The only brands that are trading above retail are Rolex, PP and AP. It's funny to see that brands that are just as prestigious and comparable in terms of finishing and history can be had at deep discounts such as A Lange, JLC and Vacheron. I'll be looking for deals with those manufacture's as well as vintage Rolex pieces till the hype dies down. Recently picked up an OysterQuartz which has < 25000 pieces ever made.That is true hype right there that the Instagram crowd doesn't know about yet. In this watch game you need to zig when others zag and vice versa.
"Nautilus" as a name when it comes to vessels almost exclusively refers to submarines. The most famous one being from the Jules Verne novel. In the book the salons porthole is described as -oval-, and from what I've heard that was exactly the inspiration to the watch. Makes the most sense since real subs don't need portholes, and why name it after a sub if the inspiration was a normal ship?
I remember about 7 years ago, I was in the market for a high end steel sports watch, deciding between the AP Royal Oak 15300, 15202 and the Patek 5711. The Patek was offered at $18k preowned. Decided to get the 15300 used for $9k, side by side the AP seemed like a better and more luxurious watch. The 15202 was about $15k at the time and I liked having a more modern movement with screw down crown and a second hand.
Certainly the 5711 would have been a better investment, but it’s not a better watch. The 5711 at retail is pretty egregiously overpriced considering what else you can get from Patek in their non sports line for similar money.
Right now you can get at least on the secondary market a precious metal Perpetual Calendar from Patek for the same money as 5711, you have a pretty bad case of the Instagram envy or whatever social disorder to spend $50k on a steel Nautilus
AP blows it out of the water in every way if you put it side-by-side with a Royal oak for example the Royal oak finishing looks so much more Superior it just looks like a more beautiful eye static watch then the Nautilus
@@robertlulek1634 Agreed, was wearing my Royal Oak this weekend, haven't put it on in a while, that watch is just fantastic.
I'd pick any of patek Philippe's calatrava's over the Nautilus any day
www.chrono24.com/patekphilippe/nautilus-blue-dial-complete-set-5711-40mm-steel-57111a-010--id11787398.htm
It's worth whatever people are prepared to pay..that is the true market price..you may not like it or whatever..
On the money!!!!!
Are 5711 5712 steel bracelets the same?
As a watch collector, enthusiast for half a century... Is it worth the money? Absolutely not!
Revisited your video after the discontinued announcement
I don't understand the Patek at all - you could get a very nice second-hand Lange for the price of a second-hand Nautilus. Or a very nice new Lange.
aintnomeaning and Lange is better lol...
Love Lange but Patek for life
Lange doesn't make sport watches, which all three of these are.
A lot of Patek dress watch as well
Patek is in a different status.
Aquanaut on a bracelet is a little nicer IMO. I like the VC Overseas or AP Royal Oak better than either PP.
I know that it’s supposed to be a timeless icon and that it debuted in 1978 but something about it says to me “That’s so fashionable said 1982!”
Why does it look like someone was chewing the crown of that daytona
Christian - Please tell us which you'd rather own.....
A new Vacheron Constantin Overseas of your choice; or the Patek Philippe Nautilus of your choice?
To make it easy, a VC Simple Date vs. PP 5711.....but the Dual-Time review you did was great and it's a great watch.
Thanks!
Nautilus!!!
I'm happy I went with a VC Overseas (2nd gen.) Way better "value prop" in the pre-owned market.
I also bought one of the last Generation 2 models right after Generation 3 was introduced. With a hefty discount of around one third I ended up paying the price of a Submariner for a brand new VC OS 2 back in September 2016.
VC Overseas used completely flying under the radar right now. You can get very nice models for only 1-3K more than a Rolex GMT.
I love them- esp the chrono...
If you wouldn't know it's a Patek , it looks like a very nice Seiko ...
Not if you handled it...the quality is obvious.
@@sensational_cellar8606... As a seiko?
@@robinmarples5198 No, the Patek quality is obviously higher than a Seiko when handling both
@@sensational_cellar8606 depends the seiko you're talking about.
Sla037 or slgh003 are quite something
It’s worth $20-25K or so, but not the ridiculous aftermarket and grey market prices being asked. And at the level it’s worth, there are great alternatives (e.g., VC, AP, Blancpain, Breuget, Rolex, etc.).
Some guy out there is scoffing at your comment, thinking something like- only Patek is Patek... I’m not that guy, but he’s out there.
A steel watch is worth 20-25k? Im sorry but i dont care what the watch you re talking about is it just isnt worth that much
Vlad Miron That’s a fair statement. I see where you’re coming from.
(e.g., VC, AP, Blancpain, Breuget, etc.).
@@vladm.6859 what would you pay for the new AP RY of titanium and platinum
Glad I have both 5711 and platona and will keep them
I have a few expensive watches but nothing over 10k. Love the Nautilus shape so I have a $100 homage I’m very happy with.
what's the name of the hommage?
what is the gold half circle thing on inside the watch? the big one that moves around some times?
Both Patek's are unbelievable watches on the wrist. Fortunate enough to get both at retail. Two of the coolest watches i've ever owned.
meh
The dial of the daytona better in person? Looks fug
Hey I would really appreciate if you could tell me what Jacket you're rocking at 00:14!!
The 5711 is one of the most beautiful watches I have ever seen!
Can't help seeing a teletubies when I see the design of the Nautilus :(
Not the one demonstrated here. Was the previous owner, a road repair person? Probably more money than sense, to mistreat a watch like this 5711, with such distain!
I never liked the design personally. Love the Royal Oak but never the Nautilus as it always reminded me of a 70s TV. And though I've been falling in love lately, I can't say it's worth the mark up. Great vid, Christian
Thank you very much and it does!!!!
the platinum daytona is actually more robust than the nautilus. i would totally have the daytona over the nautilus any day of the week
For the money the Nautilus is currently trading at you can get a perpetual calendar watch like the 5496 from Patek Philippe. That being said, I bought a 5711J at auction back in 2016 when prices were more "reasonable" The problem is that I really like this watch, whereas I don't like the Daytona, Royal Oak or Aquanaut, so I am currently on the waiting list for the 5711A with the silver dial, hoping that it will not be discontinued soon as was the 5726A with silver dial this year...
Nice! Fingers crossed!!!!!
It's hard to get and most people want it, so I guess it's worth whatever the market says it's worth.
5711 is the one and only watch a man really needs.
More affordable but still a one watch collection could be a exp I.
If you have the money it is totally worth it! It is beautiful and wears so well and the quality and finish is stunning and of coarse the brand.
The PP Nautilus is worth that amount because the collectors say it is. From just a materials point of view, no watch is worth more than a couple of grand. Unless you decorate it with gems and such. Patek has carefully nurtured their image and truthfully their history is amazing and at the end of the day, you are paying for their image and reputation.
Apparently the market says it is. White dial Calatrava then change the strap accordingly.
You would really have to love a watch like the Nautilus to pay up to own it. I mean truly and deeply love it. I'm not sure I could find that kind of love for any watch. But you know what? I'm still going to try!
did you buy that specific daytona on your wrist to resell?
It's in for service from a client!!!
do you put these watches through a blender first?
lmao i thought the same thing
It all comes down to "looks." The Aquanaut is rather ugly where the Nautilus is unusually well proportioned. The dial of the Aquanaut is especially ill conceived. Gerald Genta designed the Nautilus, one of his finest designs. Some hack at Patek designed the Aquanaut as a derivation of the Nautilus. The quality of the designs makes all the difference.
Platinum Daytona blows it out of the water, IMO.
Daytona is ugly . PP is getting ugly tho
it's me “pp is getting ugly tho” lolllll
Yeah, but not in those colors. Poop-brown bezel? No thank you.
To me Nautilus 5711 is THE watch... Had the chance to get one at 65k... I know it’s expensive but no other way to get one. And it’s still pretty cheap for an iconic,.. the most iconic watch (with maybe daytona but in a better way!)
So is it worth it, in your opinion?
Excellent video, thank you for that!
Thank you!!!!!
I'm in the market for the patek gold nautilus or aquanaut. Where can I buy one?
I picked up a new aquanaut with a steel bracelet. Lovely piece but I think I’d rather own that platinum Daytona.
Tried it on a while ago and I just can’t forget that heft. Feels like a legitimate tank.
Keep up the good work.. did like your channel before..when you reviewed unpopular vintage watches.. but now content much better...
what is the deal with the Daytona crown? did you ran over it Chris?
I have the white (already have AP RO15400 blue), waited a yr at AD, totally worth it!
How difficult is the watch to make? In this day and age not difficult at all. Nice looking design etc but worth that kind of money? If you've got it and you like it you buy it but I wouldn't pay double retail for anything.
Own a PP 5711, yes its worth $55k and even more when they discontinue it. Lucky I paid about $23k for mine about 2 years ago.
Nailed it.
Well, it sold right away I see. Congratulations.
Another great video as usual!
Thank you very much Toby!!!!!
What puts me off both the Royal Oak and the Nautilus is their gimmicky backstory, and what their success says about luxury watches in general. They have no sporting appeal to me because they were made for no other purpose whatsoever than to be luxurious. Their claim to fame is a marketing and rebranding success, which is not what one might call cool.
To an extent this is true for any watch company which survived the quartz crisis. Fact of the matter is that watches are no longer a utility. However the Nautilus is arguably taking this fact, which isn't something it would seem the watch industry or the customers are all that comfortable with given that people are still mostly out to buy Divers and Racing chronos, and just rubs in everyones faces just because.
How are real sportswatches any different? If you go far back enough into the Rolex submariners backstory you find diving. If you go back into the Cartier Santos history you'll find Zeppelin aviation. If you look at the Speedmasters history you'll find the moonlanding. You know, real bad a** stuff. When you strap one of these on you can pretend you have some sort of connection with all that. In fact wearing these watches may be more of a celebration of the fact that people went to the moon and flew zeppelins than anything else.
If you look at the Royal Oak and Nautilus history you'll find arguably AP and then PP daring you, double-daring you motherf***er, to spend more money on a steel watch than on a gold watch, not in spite of the redundancy of mechanical watches, but rather because of the redundancy of mechanical watches. That's some emperors new clothes type of s***, if the emperor was told in advance what was going happen, wasn't given any clothes and proceeded to go out buck naked anyway on purpose.
There's a common stereotype of luxury watch buyers that they're all just rich a**holes flaunting their wealth on frivolous stuff. When I think of the Sea-Dwellers history I can say "They wrong! These items are meaningful celebrations of mankinds accomplishments!" When I look at the Nautilus I think "S***, they're absolutely right. OMG. Why do I spend money on these things?"
There is absolutely nothing wrong with wearing Nautilus and Royal Oak if you find them beautiful and pleasing on your wrist.
@@sircopperfield7420 You could say same thing about any watch, including a yuuuge gold-plated Invicta. There obviously is no objective right or wrong in choosing a watch to wear. Nevertheless I think these watches are lame, historical importance and build quality be damned.
@@bcleerdin they might not have a heritage in that way, but they do stand for something.
To me, the nautilus and royal oak show that you are a real watch aficionado. It proves that you do not care about gold value, or precious shiny diamonds, but instead give more attention to the movement inside your watch, the craftsmanship of your product, and a sturdy steel case that will protect the movement better than the brittle gold/platinum. I have to admit that due to the popularity of them, this has effect has leveled down a bit, but the same could be said about the solid gold submariner.
In fact, most people do not even understand the resistance of divers. My dad is scared of swimming with my seiko frankenmonster, which is literally the definition of a divers watch. This is because the glamour of nice timepieces (Rolex, ap, pp, jlc, Lange, etc) has made him assume that any well made watch is brittle. Which is not the case.
Even though you have a point, I will always have the royal oak (in specific) as a grail, as the level of craftsmanship that is given to a regular everyday diver is unreachable by others. And even though I love other watches with more heritage, like the Calatrava, I would be God scared to wear them anywhere while a royal oak could be my daily!
@Dundlele Bundy you might say so, but gold is also far softer than steel, even when presented with alloys, I would bet my life that steel will last longer and resist more. In specific with keeping corrosion out of my watch, as the softness of gold could potentially let water in from places like the crown. And while I must admit that Patek's case finishing is not top tier, (also I don't see GS as a common watch, they are beautiful!) I was referring to the level of decoration in the movement. If you look for nice case finishing, it's instant competitor, the Royal oak is a better candidate. And lastly, gold is heavier that steel, so having it made out of steel will just make it easier for the piece to wear everyday
Gerald Genta my nigga! Act like u kno
Very informative video!
Thank you!!!!!
I hate to say it but that Patek really suits you well.
personally I get it I think it and it's aqua brother are the best looking watches out there. the sizing and there go with most occasions and under stated looks. they are stunning. as much as I like rolex and respect the Daytona. they are everywhere and the plat with blue dial was advertised on every shop window in the UK so it just doesnt seem that special. keep up the great videos.
You shouldn't be comparing it to a platinum watch. Compare it with a stainless steel Daytona. Considerably cheaper than the Nautilus at retail but with a similar waiting time and similar profit margin on the resale market.
Royal Oak all day for me, it just so happens to be the cheaper one as well!
got mine for 36.5k in november 2017, worth every penny
Not to me. Saving up for the 3rd Gen VC Overseas dual time, and wouldn’t give the Patek a second thought with the premium, at retail it’s worth a look.
I would like to know what song was played in your Patek phillipe nautilus review please!
Great video! Thank you very much for sharing. BTW what is the name of the song?
I was wanting to know also. I emailed them but havnt heard back yet
I'll take the Platinum Daytona any day over the patek and I don't think the pat tech is that beautiful at all in my opinion. It's an average-looking watch at best
Never understood the craze of the Nautilus. Not an attractive watch to me and seems way overvalued in my opinion. Value proposition with Rolex is way more that Patek with most models.
It’s just so classic, so simple, so comfortable...so perfect
It’s a beautiful timepiece no doubt but I have chosen to be moderate and pick the Aquanaut (same caliber but half of the price and have a fresher understated presence. However, both are over priced in the gray market... Great review, thank you!
Loving your work brother.
At 4.18, look at the damage to the Daytona's crown and crown guards! Mangled it looks like
Brookman gives it character
Its crazy looking at prices today for those pieces. Should have held on to them.
What’s with the Theo and Harris moniker? Your name is Christian, so why the other names? Seems a bit shady...just saying.
Because patek phillipe Nautilus , Audemars piguet and vacheron constantin comes under the Holy Trinity club. Thats why everyone loves them and the company charges more
Let’s get one thing straight, no watch is worth prices over retail. It often already is difficult to justify list price.
Wow wish i could go back 3 years and buy both these wow how the watch market changed
Much of the price inflation is definitely fueled by hype and not much else. That said, it doesn’t mean it’s in a bubble. Some of the stuff that’s gotten popular lately, especially vintage Rolex and Omega is also inflated by hype but I don’t see those bubbles bursting anytime soon either. There’s just something about those watches that makes their demand higher than their intrinsic worth and, unless there’s some big scandal, I think that will continue for a long time.
As for me I’ll just stick with my Seiko SARB033.
It’s too much money/. I’d worry about it too much. Even if I were rich. I’m fine with a Longines hydro conquest. I’m sure it’s amazing to hold and appreciate but. That $ is insane.
Worth probably it’s retail but not crazy hype money. All non wis are now focused on Nautiluses. What happens when all the celebrities move away to the next hot thing and the Nautilus starts falling in popularity? Happened a lot of times with a lot of different watches
Buzz? I mean, the nautilus dial is (in my opinion) miles ahead of the aquanaut. I'm not saying that that justifies the price, but when you're talking exclusivity of the world's most esteemed brand, I feel like there's more to consider than just the specs you can read off of a page :) good video btw, just adding my opinion
Also the question "is it worth the money?" is a hard one. Will someone pay this price? if yes, then it's worth that value! people clearly keep buying it, so there's some invisible hand present it seems
good episode
Could you make a video on good high-quality designer watches to consider buying if one cannot afford the high price bracket of luxury watches like Rolex. By designer watches I mean, Mondaine, Citizen, Rotary, Fossil and any of that kind :)
New subscriber and I love your videos they're awesome
I think it is a barrage of things. The prestige, the designer, the look, the craftsmanship, and the brand. It only takes a couple of things to create a demand.
What was I thinking, should’ve bought one at 55k two years ago.
December 2019 - IT is Triple Retail price...
Wow... That was a great video. Can't say why... Just great!
Thank you very much!!!!
the more i learn and the more I try different levels of watches the more you learn the levels of diminished returns. I feel like that argument is the universal agreement to all these comparatives.
What's up with you saying paddock Phillippe and a-demars Piguet???
Submarines have portholes?
Hilarious
Yeah, I was like "huh?". The Nautilus is a fictitious submarine/underwater vessel. But the porthole is a "window" on a boat/ship, not a submarine.
🤣🤣🤣
@@rdesigninc5756 Those are submersibles.
The answer your question. None of these luxury watches are worth what they're being marketed. A Stainless Steel watch selling for 55-70k is a pure scam. It is the law of supply and demand, that's it. How do you justify a watch that isn't even made from precious metal and selling it higher than Daytona or Gold watch? How does a SS watch worth more than White Gold Daytona. Look at the 5711. It's plain jane... what a scam.
Why there are scratches???
If you are rich and want a sports watch but think Rolex and Panerai are too plebian and commonplace, then Nautilus is the watch for you. But yeah, it is not an especially handsome watch at a glance (though, upon inspection, Patek's quality and finish make themselves obvious)--and the fact that you can have two Rolexes for the same price--or a white gold Lange 1815 Up/Down--or a stainless steel JLC Perpetual Calendar--means that it is a smart purchase only for two groups of people: those who wear only one watch and want it to be a Patek, and those who already have a dozen luxury watches and want to add another one.
I’d pay retail no doubt. But for its resell price I’d rather go for an A. Lange and sohne
I follow the Ferrari market and it’s the predecessor of what you describe here. No apparent reason why certain models skyrocket, though with Ferrari #s made really matter. I personally wouldn’t touch a PP Nautilus (and I love the brand). They aren’t limited production and will come down to earth. My advice, if you truly love the design - 1st look at the Old school Royal Oak cuz the PP is really a branded homage piece in my opinion (sorry the truth hurts). Too bad Genta couldn’t come up with another brilliant design. The porthole is a winner
Did you drop the Rolex in a grinder? 😖
So, given the comments here, I am almost embarrassed to say I actually bought two of these 5711s. The blue has a very different character than the white. Yes, I paid the aftermarket prices on both. It is a desirable watch, and I get that we are in a bubble, I really wanted these. I do wear them and while most people have no idea about watches or Patek, each brings me personal joy. Watches are my passion and owning them are primarily for me as opposed to others. I will agree that you have to be half insane to pay the premium otherwise.
If I could only have one watch, it would be the 5711 with a blue dial. If I could have two, that and a Lange 1815 chrono
Really? 5711 is no 15202... I got mine for $18k 5+ years ago, when the instagram chav crowd didn't exist and you couldn't thankfully finance them... We live in sad times, considering Patek's most notable watch is one that was made in the last 50 years of its multi hundred year life... Most of its notoriety coming by the mere fact that genta designed it and along with the Aqua act as an entry point into Haute Horology ... I was hoping you'd say, if I only had one watch it would be a 5270 Salmon, 5004, 2499 or even a 5320 ... not a Naut.
Pseudo nym I just find it so.. versatile. And I really just love the look. It’s my favorite nautilus, but I’ll check the references you wrote there. Thanks! Btw what a bargain you got there
Pseudo nym I just checked all the pateks out, and they’re all beatiful, but 1. I’m sure they’re all more expensive (at least at retail) than a 5711 and 2. Are all very dressy pieces. The 5711 has 120m of water resistance! You can even go swimming with it haha. But you can also wear it to your wedding.That’s what I love about it.
@@lorenzmb Not having a dig at you, you like what you like :) ... just if you could choose just one watch... any watch... now you have some further food for thought :)
Adam Mayer easy, brown leather strap, rose gold case
Objectively speaking its not worth it but since you can’t have it even if you had the money for buying retail, makes it worth it...its about the understated flex.