Lol Matti whats the odds, a serial killer of all things. Great video again Matti, think I've watched close to all your videos at this stage, your an excellent educator, much appreciated.
I can see how the 85mm could be really useful for a dream sequence. Could convey that they are running but not moving, like how we feel while running away from a Finnish serial killer....
Eh I think not really... We always think "more bokeh = more cinematic" but when you look at most movies and series usually the background is not as blurry as we want it to be. Take a look at the miniseries on youtube from a channel called "Paralight WorX", it looks really cinematic and they record everything using a gh5 and olympus 25mm f1.2. If the background was much blurry it probably wouldn't look so cinematic
@Gianni Carandang It might seem cheap to you, but there are plenty of people (including myself) that would like a gimbal but can't shell out $750USD for one. There are a number of gimbals on the market that are far less expensive. Curious how that stack up to the Ronin S.
Go for Moza Air 2, its the bang for the buck gimbal currently out there, I have one, its freaking cool with all the features you need.. For a lower price tag I'd recommend feiyutech but if you can shell out a little more, go with moza air 2
My take is always mix them up but wide is almost always better for leading shots. However the 85mm follow shot can be used in very dramatic ways when the background element (the scene the subject is looking at) is important in some way or you want it to have an emotional connection with the subject. This is in part because the longer focal lengths bring the background and foreground elements closer together in the shot.
I think both 24mm and 85mm footage is great for gimble, but different usage. For example, 24mm is fantastic to establish a scene, like a wedding ceremony, a crime scene, or a street view/location. Because of the wide angle, 24mm can express more information in a shot. Since 85mm has a better shallow depth of field, it 's great to film the character's acting or movement. I will say it really depends what you're going to show through these shots and then choose the best lens them.
This was so cool!! Thank you Matti! I just started using an actual camera (I chose the gh5) vs iPhone and moment lens and am devouring videos like this. So helpful! Good luck with your wiki page. Haha
Duude that's exactly what I was thinkg of for the last 10 minutes....of course not knowing the difference (cause I only have one lens and I am still putting all my savings for that ronin-s lol)....then I open youtube, and this video pops up....so much great information here dude...love your work man...now I have to figure out how to get my hands on the ronin-s...and probably the new sony 135mm f1.8 🤯
I usually use wider lenses like 24mm or 16mm when my subject is not much close to my camera cause I don't like the wide lens distortion on a subject face and also it depends on how much movement I want, but usually, I prefer 70mm or 85mm for portraits and also when i want to make background or foreground really out of focus, thanks man for your great content
I'm thinking about to buy 10-18mm, but also 24mm pancake is interested for me. I has 50mm f1.8 with 77D now, I love how works together, but sometimes zoom in too much.
First of all Thank you for the awesome helpful information in all your videos I watch them regularly- and This 85mm comparison- you convinced me to buy this lens. It’s beautiful Thanks.
I've done a lot of gimbal work with 16, 30 and 50mm lenses (on an APS-C camera, so it's like 24, 50, 85) - It took me a while to get used to doing the big movements with the 50mm, but it's worth it when you do. I still have some trouble with it so typically my go-to is the 30mm, it's a good balance between the ease of use for a wider lens and the look of a portrait. Your mileage may vary of course, I use a Sony a6500 on a Ronin-S, so it's a little overkill at times.
Hey, I am really confused between Sigma 16mm and 30mm for my Sony APSC. I m not buying Kit lens and directly buying Sigmas. Thats why I want something versatile and from which I can learn a lot as I m a beginner !! Which one do you recommend according to your experience ??
@@thr6453 I always recommend the 30mm off the bat because you can step closer or step further away. I’d recommend both in the long run, but right now I’d go for the 30mm 1.4, it’s smaller, better for talking heads and portraits and can be used for a half decent wide if you take a good few steps back. If self filming and vlogging is more your thing, 16mm is better choice. I tend to have that more on my camera lately and use it a lot but at the end of the day 30mm just is more versatile
@@PetrosofSparta Can you please give me an idea of when taking a low angle shot, how much portion of the body we cover. Like if we shoot from the foot of our subject. How much portion we will get in the frame with 30mm??
Love this comparison. Always used a wide on my Ronin S because it’s so easy to work with. Def going to pick up a 24mm prime because I just got my EOS R and so pumped to use it!
Hey Matti - thanks for putting this together. Love the 85 mm results with the gimbal. Due to the compression - I notice that the world becomes a much larger element in the story (relative to the subject). Contrast with the 24 mm, where the subject towers over the background. Thanks!
Bro I've seen this video so many times. This is great man. I hate to look like the average compliment comment but seriously this video really is great and helped me tons. No cap
Zoom lens so i dont have to keep changing and rebalancing the gimbal on each look. 24-70 with a variable nd filter works well for a run and gun, day to night
Matti i always use this 2 focal-length for make movies so i can show both angles in motion with same direction so viewers also can understand things which u teach in previous video if u go left so 2nd shot of motion is also wamted to be left so u can use this 2 lense on gimble for same movement same distance so u can show to world details and main subject woth background in same motion ...thanx man❤❤❤❤
Frigging love 85mm, the lumix 42.5 lens (only lens i used for my stockholm footage video) is the reason i'm hesitant to leave the panasonic mft system. The close focusing distance of 85mms for pana full frame (0.8m?) puts me off.
Love this video dude! It's worth noting for the people in the comments though, don't let this stop you from playing with long lenses on your gimbal! The best way to discover cool new shots is to play around! 👊
And of course with the 85 mm you’re going to see a lot more vertical movement with a gimbal unless you’re using a fourth axis stabilizer with your gimbal. Which is quite noticeable in your dolly in shots with the 85. Even in slow motion.
Wow, you really blew my lind Mr. Serial Killer, o don't even have a camera yet, (lol) but those are going to be 2 to-go lenses when I do, thanks for sharing the knowledge
Great shots Matti! Found the G9's dual I.S. with an extra stop of stabilization over the GH5 is getting me decent orbits out to 120mm equivalents on the gimbal - been chasing that Art of Flight Cineflex vibe on a budget for years 😂 Sticking it out of the gondola on the ski hill over the treetops is getting surprisingly close in appearance. Keep on rocking it! 🙌
Get the gimbal first. It's not in the gear it's content. Max out the capability of your camera and combine it with a gimbal and sound production in post and you are fine
ummmm anyone wanna make me a wikipedia page? hahah
Nah
Hahaha yeah someone please
can u review the Flycam Redking?
I always wanted to comment that Google search thing....I thought it's a one time glitch and ignored it
Lol Matti whats the odds, a serial killer of all things. Great video again Matti, think I've watched close to all your videos at this stage, your an excellent educator, much appreciated.
I can see how the 85mm could be really useful for a dream sequence. Could convey that they are running but not moving, like how we feel while running away from a Finnish serial killer....
Is it me or the 85mm looked more cinematic in all 3 comparisons? 🤔
Fs does
Eh I think not really... We always think "more bokeh = more cinematic" but when you look at most movies and series usually the background is not as blurry as we want it to be. Take a look at the miniseries on youtube from a channel called "Paralight WorX", it looks really cinematic and they record everything using a gh5 and olympus 25mm f1.2. If the background was much blurry it probably wouldn't look so cinematic
yeh, just you
Just what I was looking 4. Looking at both and you answered my question
Superb.. Excellent comparison. You nailed it brother.
OMG I thought that serial killer thing was an April fools joke and then I looked it up!!!
seems like the camera tells a different story or sets a different tone the way it isolates the subject with the 85 vs the 24. interesting
Very cool comparison. Btw, he also looks thinner and leaner with the 85. Most evident in the split at 5:40. Good job on the video overall.
Loved this content! Still experimenting and finding what looks I prefer. Super helpful. Thanks for this Matti
That intro killed me Matti, haha no pun intended.
Thanks man. Awesome video. Have you thought about testing any of the less pricier gimbals? That Ronin S is $$$.
@Gianni Carandang It might seem cheap to you, but there are plenty of people (including myself) that would like a gimbal but can't shell out $750USD for one. There are a number of gimbals on the market that are far less expensive. Curious how that stack up to the Ronin S.
Go for Moza Air 2, its the bang for the buck gimbal currently out there, I have one, its freaking cool with all the features you need.. For a lower price tag I'd recommend feiyutech but if you can shell out a little more, go with moza air 2
@@michaeljohntuclaud6992 Thanks for taking the time to post some recommendations. Much appreciated!
Dude. Great stuff. The 85 doesn’t have a lot of movement but man it looks so pretty. Thanks for all the videos. You’re inspiring.
My take is always mix them up but wide is almost always better for leading shots. However the 85mm follow shot can be used in very dramatic ways when the background element (the scene the subject is looking at) is important in some way or you want it to have an emotional connection with the subject. This is in part because the longer focal lengths bring the background and foreground elements closer together in the shot.
I think both 24mm and 85mm footage is great for gimble, but different usage. For example, 24mm is fantastic to establish a scene, like a wedding ceremony, a crime scene, or a street view/location. Because of the wide angle, 24mm can express more information in a shot. Since 85mm has a better shallow depth of field, it 's great to film the character's acting or movement. I will say it really depends what you're going to show through these shots and then choose the best lens them.
This was so cool!! Thank you Matti! I just started using an actual camera (I chose the gh5) vs iPhone and moment lens and am devouring videos like this. So helpful! Good luck with your wiki page. Haha
Duude that's exactly what I was thinkg of for the last 10 minutes....of course not knowing the difference (cause I only have one lens and I am still putting all my savings for that ronin-s lol)....then I open youtube, and this video pops up....so much great information here dude...love your work man...now I have to figure out how to get my hands on the ronin-s...and probably the new sony 135mm f1.8 🤯
I usually use wider lenses like 24mm or 16mm when my subject is not much close to my camera cause I don't like the wide lens distortion on a subject face and also it depends on how much movement I want, but usually, I prefer 70mm or 85mm for portraits and also when i want to make background or foreground really out of focus, thanks man for your great content
That feeling when you're "killing it" so much on UA-cam that Google thinks you are a serial killer! 😄
Videographer-level: 10 of 10.
Love the 80’s music!😜 this is a great video.
Great comparison vid, Matti. You just gotta love the compression/cinematic epicness that the 85mm makes you feel!
I can say this is the best focal length guide in videography out there. You helped me a lot choosing my next lens.
This was a great tutorial.
Very nice narration, Matti, Thanks.
I use my EF-S 10-18mm on my T6i with my Moza AirCross gimbal. Great video!
I'm thinking about to buy 10-18mm, but also 24mm pancake is interested for me. I has 50mm f1.8 with 77D now, I love how works together, but sometimes zoom in too much.
@@Dennew89 the 77D is a crop sensor, so 24mm will not be very wide.
Great Video Matti! The depth of field comparison is great. Such a huge difference!
Wow. Loved this comparison. Such good work ! Thanks Matti
I need a gimbal. My videos are shaky AF. Sips on 5th cup of coffee.
Matti, can u review the Flycam Redking?
Your videos are shaky autofocus?
same! it’s difficult to get steady footage shots chasing a 3 year old around 😆
Hahahaha same problem right here... And they offer me coffee when filming wtf ppl
Mart's Drums :)
Thanks Matti for this. I swear its like you always read my mind on what i need. I just bought my first gimbal yesterday. So thank you very much
Thank you for sharing your valuable expertise on cinematography. Its a phenomenal breakdown of the advantages of which for what
Well you are killing it when it comes to youtube .
One of your better videos in terms of nugget of information that sticks
4:25 this is super informational, very cool to see demonstrated
Very interesting video! Thanks for showing the side by side.
First of all Thank you for the awesome helpful information in all your videos I watch them regularly- and This 85mm comparison- you convinced me to buy this lens. It’s beautiful Thanks.
Great Video Matti! I got a 85mm on order for my sony a7iii and I'm excited in trying it, played with my 28mm and it was fun learning!
thanks matti! I dreamed being a serial killer before but I learned something else better today with this, your new video.
im so tuned in thanks for the info. that google search was scary
I've done a lot of gimbal work with 16, 30 and 50mm lenses (on an APS-C camera, so it's like 24, 50, 85) - It took me a while to get used to doing the big movements with the 50mm, but it's worth it when you do. I still have some trouble with it so typically my go-to is the 30mm, it's a good balance between the ease of use for a wider lens and the look of a portrait.
Your mileage may vary of course, I use a Sony a6500 on a Ronin-S, so it's a little overkill at times.
Hey, I am really confused between Sigma 16mm and 30mm for my Sony APSC. I m not buying Kit lens and directly buying Sigmas. Thats why I want something versatile and from which I can learn a lot as I m a beginner !!
Which one do you recommend according to your experience ??
@@thr6453 I always recommend the 30mm off the bat because you can step closer or step further away. I’d recommend both in the long run, but right now I’d go for the 30mm 1.4, it’s smaller, better for talking heads and portraits and can be used for a half decent wide if you take a good few steps back.
If self filming and vlogging is more your thing, 16mm is better choice. I tend to have that more on my camera lately and use it a lot but at the end of the day 30mm just is more versatile
@@PetrosofSparta Can you please give me an idea of when taking a low angle shot, how much portion of the body we cover. Like if we shoot from the foot of our subject. How much portion we will get in the frame with 30mm??
@@thr6453 From their foot upwards? Weird angle to choose but probably mid-torso up at least on the 30mm and knees up with 16mm?
Wow! I was just debating this weekend on picking up the 85mm. Thanks for the video Matti!
Recently started using gimbal. Lots to learn about it. Good video!
Those are some KILLER gimbal shots Matti
Love your videos Matti
I found video the most useful video you have produced Matti
Love this comparison. Always used a wide on my Ronin S because it’s so easy to work with. Def going to pick up a 24mm prime because I just got my EOS R and so pumped to use it!
Hey Matti - thanks for putting this together. Love the 85 mm results with the gimbal. Due to the compression - I notice that the world becomes a much larger element in the story (relative to the subject). Contrast with the 24 mm, where the subject towers over the background. Thanks!
What a great video, very comprenhensive. Thank you very much, Matti!
I really appreciate you showing how the lenses look when using them vs just showing us the lenses and talking about them
Hi,thanks for the really interesting comparison.
I like both lenses a lot although I would choose a 50 mm lens instead of a 85 mm.
Perfect explanation. Thanks a lot. After watching a few video's finally subscribed.
Cool little break down, thanks
Wider is better! Especially when using a gimbal. Thanks Matti!
7:38 Matti: "I've already buried a lot of the other..."
Me: Oh god he's going to say bodies isn't he... 😳
Very cool Matti! Loved seeing the comparisons
Very Helpful Matti!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I totally hear Good Times with Scar building in the background at the 1:30 mark
This was a really great comparison. Thanks Matti!
Bro I've seen this video so many times. This is great man. I hate to look like the average compliment comment but seriously this video really is great and helped me tons. No cap
I was just thinking about this topic today! perfect video for me to watch!
Has matti made a follow focus vid? His focus is so dreamy smooth I'm wondering if he's got a special technique.
KokoroNoSama agreed! I’d be interested in seeing what he’s doing to get it so crispy
Thanks Matti!
This just helped me out so much…. Thank you 😊
Zoom lens so i dont have to keep changing and rebalancing the gimbal on each look. 24-70 with a variable nd filter works well for a run and gun, day to night
Matti i always use this 2 focal-length for make movies so i can show both angles in motion with same direction so viewers also can understand things which u teach in previous video if u go left so 2nd shot of motion is also wamted to be left so u can use this 2 lense on gimble for same movement same distance so u can show to world details and main subject woth background in same motion ...thanx man❤❤❤❤
Nice episode! Maybe you can do one on directing (unexperienced) people you are filming. tips and tricks ?
Frigging love 85mm, the lumix 42.5 lens (only lens i used for my stockholm footage video) is the reason i'm hesitant to leave the panasonic mft system.
The close focusing distance of 85mms for pana full frame (0.8m?) puts me off.
I think you have a great sense of humor which is so talent. Maybe you can make some short comedy video, that will be coolll.
Thank you Matti
Comparison was really Eye Opening 😁
Love this video dude! It's worth noting for the people in the comments though, don't let this stop you from playing with long lenses on your gimbal! The best way to discover cool new shots is to play around! 👊
Thanks for the comparison! Could you also go over focusing while on a gimbal because... manual focus... and gimbal...
And of course with the 85 mm you’re going to see a lot more vertical movement with a gimbal unless you’re using a fourth axis stabilizer with your gimbal. Which is quite noticeable in your dolly in shots with the 85. Even in slow motion.
I was about to get a 24 but oml.... that 85 just looks soooo goood!!
Wow, you really blew my lind Mr. Serial Killer, o don't even have a camera yet, (lol) but those are going to be 2 to-go lenses when I do, thanks for sharing the knowledge
Thank you Matti ❤️
Matti...one of your most useful videos buddy! This here is a mini cinematography course!
Very informative worth watching thank you.
wow men, you allways do the videos I need in the moment I need. Thank you very much!
Great shots Matti! Found the G9's dual I.S. with an extra stop of stabilization over the GH5 is getting me decent orbits out to 120mm equivalents on the gimbal - been chasing that Art of Flight Cineflex vibe on a budget for years 😂 Sticking it out of the gondola on the ski hill over the treetops is getting surprisingly close in appearance. Keep on rocking it! 🙌
Cool video with great info. This is really helpful information. Thanks Matti
I have a 24mm and I just bought an 85mm. This is great information.
hey matti you're videos are amaZing man!, please make a video about focus the videos! what should use while shooting BROLLs?
Thanks Matti, great video. I use a 35 mm prime and now want to get an 85!
More content like this Matti! :-)
So cool to see these differences side by side 👍🏼Great idea to compare them.. Man, I need a gimbal already 😏
Man, you ROCK! I
love your videos
Really really informative thanks Matt!
Loved this video. One of the more helpful for me dude. Thanks matti.
Such an eye opener👌
They both great.
All fine but it really depends on the auto focus capabilities of you camera and lens specially with long lens. Or if you got a focus motor.
Thanks for amazing review. Which lens is best for car videography? They are expensive so I can afford 1 at the time first. Please advice
A gimbal is my next purchase... that or a 360 camera :) Thanks for the insight Matti!
@Chris Ramsey Jr. Even if I'm doing tons of outdoor content and filming myself all the time?? What do you think?
@@CooperLandingFishingGuide gimbal will give you a nicer quality and range to your shots
@@chheeesh1484 Excellent Point :)
@@CooperLandingFishingGuide np
I have to say that since I started to use longer lenses I've been totally addicted to that look!
Haha that intro is awesome!!
I think I need a gimbal soon... But first I want to upgrade my camera :-)
Get the gimbal first. It's not in the gear it's content. Max out the capability of your camera and combine it with a gimbal and sound production in post and you are fine
@@stanleyezidiegwu7187 Thanks for the tip! Will have a look on some :-)
get a gimbal 1st cuz ur camera is probly mideorker ryt now..
You absolutely don't need a gimbal if you're new... Spend that money on better things like lenses, a good mic, lights, etc.
Needed this as I just got my 24 to complement my 85 lol good to see which shots work best for each FL 🙏🏾
This was really helpful, Matti - thanks a ton!
The zoom lens gives the shot a more film look which I personally love
Finish finish problem ;) ... lol
btw nice info provided.. useful tips
Really helpful, thanks Matti!
Would you use a smaller lens to shoot a car launching from close up into the distance? To make it look like the launch is faster?