As a hobby video editor / hobby filmmaker - thank you for the CC! Being Deaf has posed many challenges in trying to find educational content on YT because you need to know the correct terminology, words (such as options or terms to look for in software, such as FCPX) when watching tutorials for software or even for video / filmmaking. I wanted to just thank you for being one of these few people who took the time to either add CC or allow it to be contributed to your channel. It goes further than many would imagine, and reaches the Deaf/Hard of Hearing audience - myself included. +1 sub
Patate2019202 auto cc is definitely a thing but it’s a hit or miss, especially when using special terminology. When you watch enough YT videos, you know how to tell the difference between auto cc and actual cc.
Same here! I just appreciate captions because it shows that the creator cares so much about his viewers. It raises the overall experience so much! Another great example is Tom Scott, who posts similarly excellent videos and has said before that he almost felt like it should be a UA-camr's responsibility to take care of his disabled viewers, aka deaf viewers. For the same reason, my own videos have captions!
Idk. I feel like this video topic has be talked about endlessly by other youtubers and hollywood film makers. Why does there need to be another one? What does this offer that those other videos don't?
Andrew Timosca So by that logic every news agency shouldn't cover a story because someone else already has? or a new tech product comes out and only one tech channel talks about it? I think it's quite the opposite...a channel about making films needs to cover this despite the information being elsewhere available.
So I’m a pro photographer and never got into video because I thought it was complicated but you just explained this so well. So many people don’t. Thank you. Will check out the course.
You changed my whole understanding on all of this! I remember being like 14 years old and applying the slow motion effect to my videos Windows Movie Maker that I filmed on a potato and being confused as to why it looked so bad. I hadn't even thought about that in years but now you just made a light bulb go off in my brain that has been gathering dust for years! Thank you!
@@drawkfilms x1.25 of the original speed. To get right speeds, divide the frame rates with each other to find out the multiplication needed. (so conversions in 30 to/from 24fps is x0.80 and x1.25.) Might want to fiddle with shutter times if you really want to sell it as something shot in 24fps as well. (slightly longer exposure when shooting in 30fps.. 225? degrees to get the 180 degree in 24fps, if my rusty math is correct..)
Also to consider: power frequency. In PAL regions dc power is ~50hz while in NTSC regions it is ~60hz. This is important when filming in environments with for example neon light to avoid flicker. Sometimes it can male sense to switch base frame rates based on where you are filming.
Frame rate can have a noticeable effect on the perceived smoothness of slow camera panning shots. The slower the frame rate, the choppier the pan will look, and there's a hidden pitfall those who shoot in 24 fps often encounter. Most monitors and TV's refresh their image at 60 Hz. Since 24 fps does not divide evenly into 60, that 24 fps footage produces an uneven refresh rate when displayed at 60 Hz, which can make slow pans look ragged. To produce the smoothest pans for display on 60 Hz monitors, the best camera frame rates are 60 fps and 30 fps.
yeah exactly, that's what i was thinking. i also don't get why european cameras default to the pal standart. so you have the choice of shooting in 25 or 50 fps. but screens are at 60hz. you can change it to ntsc, but then you have to re-format your sd-card which is weird 🤔
@@wolfeadventures Yes, make sure you are setting your display to 24p. It's common for theaters to switch to native frame rate of the content, no so much for phones or PCs.
AWESOME and best explanation of shooting different frame-rates I've seen on YT. We recently wrapped up shooting a music video and it was mostly filmed in 60fps and dropped on a 60fps time-line and slowed (most of it). The singing parts were all 24fps... in any case, your video will prove to be instrumental for us as we gain more knowledge and continue taking on more projects..
Question from a newbie: If you shoot at 30 with the intent to slow it down, what should the project settings be in an editor like Resolve? Should the project be set to 24, or 30? Do you set it to 30 and then slow it down, or set it to 24 and then click "no" when it asks to change the frame rate?
Uhh, that was the best , most thorough explanation of frame rates and how or why you would want to exploit them. Definitely earned a subscription and I'm looking forward to your content. Thank you
The NTSC frame rate reduction was to leave "room" in the video signal for the colorburst signal while retaining compatibility with the older Black and White US Television standard that was REALLY 30 FPS (So as not to instantly render millions of then still fairly new TV sets obsolete.) The old sets could display the new color programming (but in black and white). This is a gross simplification, but thats why the odd decimal part exists.
And old TV's is also where 30fps came from, the american elecric grid runs at 60Hz, so it was way simpler to time the frames of the video on that. as for why it's 30 and not 60, it's due to a bandwidth limitation, so broadcasting companies used a trick called "interlaced video" to give the illusion of higher resolution and framerate. Basically, they sent to the tv a single 240p image every 60th of a second, but the images were really half of a single 480p image, do it fast enough and you've got the illusion of a 480p image at 60fps. You can also use this trick to get higher resolution on old CRT monitors, set it to interlaced video and suddenly your framerate is doubbled, for instance, a CRT that might do 1920x1440p@45Hz is now 1920x1440i@90Hz with next to no extra bandwidth required.
@@user-le8ul4nr5t Yes, the 30 fps was based on the 60hz power frequency. This is also why for example, old school UK TV used 25fps. Their AC power is at 50hz.
NTSC was never 30fps, it was 60Hz like the power grid but it ran interlaced instead of progressive. That's how they solved the bandwith issue. Likewise, PAL and SECAM ran 50Hz, not 25fps and also interlaced. PAL and SECAM compensated for the lower rate with offering a higher resolution instead. PAL offered a better overall picture quality thanks to better colors and a sharper picture, however an American used to the 60Hz of NTSC might notice the 50Hz of PAL flickering a bit. Most Europeans never noticed this as they were completely used to this.
@@notsorandumusername And that's why all cameras was running 50 or 60 Hz and is still the defactor standard. You can film everything at 60 fps but 30 fps is not suitable for example in sports like ice hockey. The pipe line showed in the video was not complete. In the exampole video is shot at 24 fps, edited in 24 fps and published at 24 fps but after that it's played at 60 fps. This won't play smoothly. 30 fps will play smoothly.
Omg your amazing at explaining things! I honestly have watched so many videos trying to understand filming related stuff and struggle massively to keep up/get bored. You are actually so talented at getting the info out and making it interesting! Thank you☺️
I've been flying by the edge of my seat doing video and special fx for over ten years. I still learned quite a bit from this beginner tutorial. The NTSC portion was interesting and I appreciated your example of how you stretched the rules. Going to try the 30 frames/80% trick in a music video tonight! Thank you.
You def pointed out one of the biggest mistakes ive made. Worked on a music video with intentions to capture some slomo clips. Completely for got that it would trash the syncing with my audio. Live and Learn
A good example for a time you'd need to shoot exactly @ 24 frames, would be if you were shooting a subject against an LED video screen. this avoids any flicker or banding being seen.
extremely helpful for a beginner, and why oh why did I never consider that the higher frame rate when slowed down would offer a super smooth image, duh !
Man, I spent too many hours thinking about what framerate to shoot in and in the end switched to 30fps. For most youtube videos, I actually prefer the 30fps look over 24fps. I think the future is gonna be higher framerates (than 24).
naaa people still like that cinematic 24 look. Plus the rest of the world shoots 25 so if anything it will go to 25 or 50 for slowmo. I'm in film school and the 24/25 look is nailed into you. trust me it's not going anywhere.
I think there’s a lot of 30 FPS out there now, but it really gives “TV” vibe to me. I prefer 24 whenever possible. Plus it makes my 60 footage just a touch slower. 👍🏻😉
I have always felt that there’s a difference between the cinematic videos & non-cinematic & but I couldn’t figure out what exactly was it, I thought it could be the lighting, the definition of the video... but finally I got it.
I’ve just started following you about a week ago and what keeps me coming back besides the great detailed content is the way you present it in a very entertaining way. Totally Awesome👍🏼👍🏼
This is INSANELY helpful and completely worth the watch. I genuinely learned a lot and feel like I understand how frames per second now! Great for beginners.
I make TV spots, so I shoot in 30P since the NTSC TV broadcast standard is 30fps (or 60 fields). Shooting at 24fps introduces “pulldown” which doubles a field every other frame to stretch it into the 60 field base. This winds up looking choppy, and never looks as smooth as 30fps which has a frame to frame relationship with the TV standard.
You explained the frames just perfectly. Exactly what I was looking for. Simple! Easy to follow and easy to undersrand. Plus video examples 👏👏👏👌🙂 Thank you! 😊
I love how you speak and talk about things ure knowledgeable about. I love the personality, the wittiness, ur content never feel boring. Thank you for sharing some info! Lovelots
24, I love for movies, music videos, B-rolls, but for Vlogging and talking to camera videos, I prefer 25 or 30, because I love to separate documentary/reality with film/fiction and it makes both things special for their mood, otherwise, everything looks the same and film is not special anymore. Still, it's the artist's choice, but to me, that difference really matters.
As a consumer I always try to go for 60fps content because: it looks more natural it feels crispier and clearer eyes don't get tired as much when watching something. Honestly, after watching movies with low fps and high fps I'm never ever going back to lower fps. I don't get why there's such massive low for low frame rates
because they're pretentious and don't understand that 30fps is just factually better, 24fps only feels better because of films being shot in 24 for so long, it subconsciously feels better because you've been conditioned to feel that way because of all the films out there in 24, when if films were shot in 48 fps, you would be baffled by people even trying to go for 24fps, "48fps is way smoother!" you'd understandably state, "stop holding the industry back" would be a far more popular phrase than "idk guys, 24fps just feels better."
That's because you don't know enough about film to know why frame rate is important. PJ video is a great opportunity to "ask a question." That way you can leave here much more informed, than when you arrived.
As a consumer I always try to go for pictures and not paintings because: it looks more natural it feels crispier and clearer eyes don't get tired because of all the unnatural colors and perspective mistakes. Honestly, after clicking pictures with my dslr and then getting the same pics painted by artists I'm never ever going back to paintings. I don't get why there's such massive demand for paintings when we already have a superior tech.
@@dixit8611 You are more than just the sum of your parts. You are mind and soul. While the photograph represents your mind, the painting represents your soul, unique and distinct to each person. They are both equally important. So you need to learn appreciate each to be a well-rounded individual.
They say that because they don't know enough to know what they don't know. The history of film for starters. There's a reason 24 fps became the film standard over 100 years ago, and its not arbitrary. In fact, "crispier and clearer" is not natural, but sometimes necessary to focus on the content.
I use 24fps sometimes for a cinematic look. But I usually film in 120fps mostly and 240fps at times, usually on a high refresh display with matching refresh rates. The results were awesome, the videos usually look dreamy and realistic with motion blur at 120fps and 240fps was almost real looking.
Yayyy thanks to this tutorial you've really helped clear up all my confusion as to why my exported videos look jittery than my original shots. 😵💫 Thanks so much teacher! 🤗
Thank you for the video! I am an aspiring FPV pilot and this has helped me determine what frame rate to shot in. And btw the beeps on your drone at the end just mean you need to connect a transmitter to the receiver. Its a safety feature built into the software.
I always enjoyed making short films. But I was unaware how much I real wanted to make engaging shorts. I am learning and enjoying the Process. Namaste Dave Ross
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slowmo guys use 25 frames per secound because it rounds up and down perfectly especialy with shutters at 1/25 1/50 1/100 1/200 1/400 1/800 1/1600 1/3200 1/6400 and 25p 50p 100p round perfectly
thanks for clearing up a question I had, and I get that the principle is the same no matter where you use it, but this vid has far too much emphasis on NTSC framerates. not everyone who watches this is in America. don't forget your pals in PAL world. I'll stop shooting in 50fps and opt for 25 from now on though, as I don't need the extra frames.
Hey, mate thanks a lot! I always thought about getting that perfect smoothness of shooting at 30fps and then make it 24fps. I always wonder how people do that, also make a video on that technique of lip sync you talked about. Also please make a video about getting the perfect angle in the camera for video.
So what I got from this is that since I do 30 and 60 mixed and I want to final render in 60 for action stuff, and 30 for calmer stuff, I should be editing in 30/60. 24 is off the table for the stuff i do because of the issues of framerates.
@@GrimYak or a 24FPS timeline shoot general in 30FPS an then you get a little nice smoothness/cinematic style of look to your general stuff and then shoot 60/120fps for your slow motion/B-ROLL type stuff to slow it down?
Ok, all this frame rate discussion makes sense for US and NTSC places where the 'consumer' 30fps and the 'cinematic' 24 fps have a good 6 frames difference. But what about PAL places? Is 25fps (one frame difference) NOT cinematic enough ? Do we still need to convert 25/50 fps footage to 24 (risking artifacts), for a more cinematic look, or is 25fps near as good and we can keep things simple. I'd like to hear your opinions here.
The 24 fps exist for cinema movies because they were done on film and it cost less to have the minimum number of frames. And the 24 fps was the minimum to have a smooth vision of moving pictures. No need to shoot at 24 fps in Pal countries on digital camera. You won't see a difference between the two.
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I am just starting to make my videos to look appealing and good to the eyes and ears of my followers. I searched a lot of how to about FPS and your video answered my questions. Thanks for the information about FPS. Now I know why 24 is standard in most places for shooting videos and 60+ FPS is intended for special shots (slo-mo). I am very impressed the way you made it easy and simple to understand. I like the way you gave the example visually. Another thing, I like the way you explained things with out any advertisement or bs. Again, thank you so much and God bless.
I went to film school and I feel like such an idiot. This was explained so perfectly. Also, I learned video is not even video, it's quite literally a process of taking several photos per second. LOL on my way to make a movie now byeeeeee
Sequence FPS divided by Video FPS * 100 = best %speed slow motion Example: Video shot on 120 fps / Sequence FPS on 24 = Smoothest at 20% speed Video shot on 60 fps / Sequence FPS on 24 = Smoothest at 40% speed Video shot on 30 fps / Sequence FPS on 24 = Smoothest at 80% speed Video shot on 24 fps / Sequence FPS on 24 = Smoothest at 100% speed
I would personally %100 prefer 60fps for watching someone talk or vlog on youtube, 24 is good for cinematic stuff and movies but 60fps is was easier on the eye and much better for consuming content on youtube
same, for me the lower framerate just makes the video lower quality. i really dont understand why you would want a lower framerate for anything. but then again i am a gamer...
@@konnectdyo7070 I agree, like, mannn anything looks better in more fps, 24 fps isn't cinematic because it's cinematic, you can make anything cinematic if you're good enough
Back when I was a kid (in the 80s), 30fps was the framerate of television cameras or anything else that was 'taped' rather than 'filmed'. These television productions were lower-res and often consisted of lower production values. As a result, 24fps, which my brain associates with cinema, represents a higher quality. I understand that higher framerate = smoother movement, etc., and that production quality is not a function of framerate, but my brain still associates 24fps with quality. One could argue that higher framerate is always preferable, but after a point I think it's just a matter of taste.
I film whatever frame rate I want! I don't get the cinematic feel of 24 fps and the smooth 60fps! Only difference I notice is the slowmotion capability of the 60fps!
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That was a awesome reveal. I have been shooting for awhile but don't have the machine to start learning editing and this short video answered a lot of questions that I had. You are a very good teacher as well as probably being an awesome cinematographer/producer.
Excellent video. Lucid and enlightening. Especially with respect to the historical derivation of current frame rate standards. Of most interest is shooting at 60 frames/sec which allows for better slow mo.
The real question is : if shooting at 24 frames per second, can you still capture the second take when filming for the first time your third 60 Second Spot on the 21st of the fourth month you’ve bought your 25th camera??? PS: I’ve watched this video 23.976 times, just to make sure this isn’t a stupid question! Please Help!
Wow, such great info here, thank you for sharing. I am super low budget and just beginning with my first DSLR, a cannon T7. I know as far as frame rates I will probably be limited by my camera but as I learn I know where to go to find the information I need. I have been watching a lot of how to videos but this video taught me more about frame rates and slow motion than all the others I have watched put together. Thank you again, you did an awesome job with this video.
When we say that 24 fps is more "cinematic", doesnt it mean cinema of yesteryear? If technology has evolved so much from the time of film, why cant we define "cinema" with the new technology, tools, and means? Why is everyone purposely emulating the look and feel of a bygone era instead of setting new standards? PS.: I am new to photography/videography, so asking these questions in all honesty
it's about it looking aesthetic and smooth, as opposed to hyper real. Just like colour editing in photography to evoke emotion, it does the same to motion. When you go to an electronic shop and the TVs on displays have that strange hyper real look. For me, I agree that the hyper real look feels less like a story. Though hyper real 30 or 60fps could work well for a really detailed stunning scene so i think that can have a role, I haven't seen it applied in a storytelling way that Ive been blown away by.
@@sebastianwood8515 Thanks for the explanation ... I've recently developed a voracious appetite for all things photography, so personal views are more valuable than learning from a book.
@@sebastianwood8515 sorry that was unnecassarily terse ... what I meant was if we have to use different frame rates in a single video, how can we do that in editing? For instance, using 24 fps for most of the video and putting in 30 or 60 intermittently ...
@Bobby Brady well NTSC has gotten better but it's still not as good as PAL it has a smaller colour spectrum and doesn't shoot at exactly 24 or 30fps which is undesirable for more technical reasons. NTSC was the original system and PAL is the more modern system so naturally has many more advantages.
@@danieldesmond3422 PAL broadcasts something like 20% moire lines of resolution compared to NTSC. More lines means more visual information, which equals better picture quality and resolution. no one uses internal camera audio when making quality films, so even if audio "was" sped up, it's irrelevant for producers who use actual microphones in production
@@groovesmedia989 That's what I was saying about better quality. More lines of resolution. You're right about the audio though. However, it is still a problem that exists on NTSC that doesn't exist on PAL. It's really not a big deal what you shoot. I was initially just making a joke
You are the boss im watching your videos since 2 years and i have learned things more then film school that im going to in Turkey nice job dud i hope someday films with you . Your friend from syria ( Thank you )
@@zahitemremetin606 it was the only opprotunity to me because i came to Turkey as refugee but now im very happy "making films" like dream to me because my dad he was an director in syria before the war ..
4:12 I feel cinematic 24 fps also looks a little more “dreamy” than 30 fps or 60 fps. It appears to be smooth enough for immersion, while still being unnoticeably choppy, like in a dream, to put the film in a “fictional” realm of my mind. I think that is part of the magic of movies.
@Yang Du I can't find your comment but ill paraphrase what you said. "not to film anything at 24 because computer screens have a refresh rate of 60hz." while a lot of monitors have a 60hz refresh rate that doesn't mean not to film at 24fps. TV shows are filmed at 30FPS and that's before the drop frame and TVs have just as high refresh rates too. Vimeo is comprised of many short films and videos from content creators that are shot at 24FPS- that is a service on the web, meant to be watched on a computer screen. It highly just depends on what you are shooting and what style you are going for. Bruno Mars has a video "finesse (remix)" that shows a high frame rate on a high frame rate timelime.
As a hobby video editor / hobby filmmaker - thank you for the CC! Being Deaf has posed many challenges in trying to find educational content on YT because you need to know the correct terminology, words (such as options or terms to look for in software, such as FCPX) when watching tutorials for software or even for video / filmmaking.
I wanted to just thank you for being one of these few people who took the time to either add CC or allow it to be contributed to your channel. It goes further than many would imagine, and reaches the Deaf/Hard of Hearing audience - myself included.
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Subtitles for english content are automatic i think! You should find more and more in the months to come.
Patate2019202 auto cc is definitely a thing but it’s a hit or miss, especially when using special terminology. When you watch enough YT videos, you know how to tell the difference between auto cc and actual cc.
sorry man, hope you find happiness in life
same here, totally get ya
Same here! I just appreciate captions because it shows that the creator cares so much about his viewers. It raises the overall experience so much! Another great example is Tom Scott, who posts similarly excellent videos and has said before that he almost felt like it should be a UA-camr's responsibility to take care of his disabled viewers, aka deaf viewers. For the same reason, my own videos have captions!
Outgoing personailty, knowledgable, and great content .. What's not to like
Idk. I feel like this video topic has be talked about endlessly by other youtubers and hollywood film makers. Why does there need to be another one? What does this offer that those other videos don't?
60fps is life
@@AndrewTimosca the graphic and explanation of how it changes from camera to timeline is pretty good
@@AndrewTimosca The others were faster too...
Andrew Timosca So by that logic every news agency shouldn't cover a story because someone else already has? or a new tech product comes out and only one tech channel talks about it? I think it's quite the opposite...a channel about making films needs to cover this despite the information being elsewhere available.
So I’m a pro photographer and never got into video because I thought it was complicated but you just explained this so well. So many people don’t. Thank you. Will check out the course.
You changed my whole understanding on all of this! I remember being like 14 years old and applying the slow motion effect to my videos Windows Movie Maker that I filmed on a potato and being confused as to why it looked so bad. I hadn't even thought about that in years but now you just made a light bulb go off in my brain that has been gathering dust for years! Thank you!
The 30 fps to 24 fps and the lip sync tidbit was awesome!
I'll be trying that our promptly.
They did the same trick in this music video, must have been a PITA to lip sync: ua-cam.com/video/dGR65RWwzg8/v-deo.html
any idea how fast the song must be to lip sync?
@@drawkfilms if you want to slow the playback by 20% the song should be 20% faster
@@drawkfilms x1.25 of the original speed.
To get right speeds, divide the frame rates with each other to find out the multiplication needed. (so conversions in 30 to/from 24fps is x0.80 and x1.25.)
Might want to fiddle with shutter times if you really want to sell it as something shot in 24fps as well. (slightly longer exposure when shooting in 30fps.. 225? degrees to get the 180 degree in 24fps, if my rusty math is correct..)
Much better example than Avril Lavigne (and probably at least ten years before) ua-cam.com/video/ru3gH27Fn6E/v-deo.html
This was one of the most straightforward explanations of FPS I’ve found, thank you!
Aside from the first 5 minutes
Nice job, comfortable in his skin, very useful thanks 🙏
Also to consider: power frequency. In PAL regions dc power is ~50hz while in NTSC regions it is ~60hz. This is important when filming in environments with for example neon light to avoid flicker. Sometimes it can male sense to switch base frame rates based on where you are filming.
Frame rate can have a noticeable effect on the perceived smoothness of slow camera panning shots. The slower the frame rate, the choppier the pan will look, and there's a hidden pitfall those who shoot in 24 fps often encounter. Most monitors and TV's refresh their image at 60 Hz. Since 24 fps does not divide evenly into 60, that 24 fps footage produces an uneven refresh rate when displayed at 60 Hz, which can make slow pans look ragged. To produce the smoothest pans for display on 60 Hz monitors, the best camera frame rates are 60 fps and 30 fps.
Most monitors have some kind of motion smoothing feature, so that's not really an issue
Is it ever possible to get smooth pans with 24fps?
@@wolfeadventures - Sure, just pan slower ;)
yeah exactly, that's what i was thinking. i also don't get why european cameras default to the pal standart. so you have the choice of shooting in 25 or 50 fps. but screens are at 60hz. you can change it to ntsc, but then you have to re-format your sd-card which is weird 🤔
@@wolfeadventures Yes, make sure you are setting your display to 24p. It's common for theaters to switch to native frame rate of the content, no so much for phones or PCs.
AWESOME and best explanation of shooting different frame-rates I've seen on YT. We recently wrapped up shooting a music video and it was mostly filmed in 60fps and dropped on a 60fps time-line and slowed (most of it). The singing parts were all 24fps... in any case, your video will prove to be instrumental for us as we gain more knowledge and continue taking on more projects..
Shooting at 30 FPS and slowing it down to 24fps blew my mind! 🤯 it’s so simple, yet I never thought of it!
Do you get any issues with out of sync voice?
@@AmuthanVethanayagam You would use it for more b roll right then dub audio ontop ie music right?
@@MitchFPT That's right! Thank you for all the videos. Very inspiring!
Question from a newbie: If you shoot at 30 with the intent to slow it down, what should the project settings be in an editor like Resolve? Should the project be set to 24, or 30? Do you set it to 30 and then slow it down, or set it to 24 and then click "no" when it asks to change the frame rate?
@@mbrauwolf same question
Dang... I “knew” this information, but the way you broke it down with the graphical representations was soooo good.
Uhh, that was the best , most thorough explanation of frame rates and how or why you would want to exploit them. Definitely earned a subscription and I'm looking forward to your content. Thank you
The NTSC frame rate reduction was to leave "room" in the video signal for the colorburst signal while retaining compatibility with the older Black and White US Television standard that was REALLY 30 FPS (So as not to instantly render millions of then still fairly new TV sets obsolete.) The old sets could display the new color programming (but in black and white). This is a gross simplification, but thats why the odd decimal part exists.
And old TV's is also where 30fps came from, the american elecric grid runs at 60Hz, so it was way simpler to time the frames of the video on that. as for why it's 30 and not 60, it's due to a bandwidth limitation, so broadcasting companies used a trick called "interlaced video" to give the illusion of higher resolution and framerate. Basically, they sent to the tv a single 240p image every 60th of a second, but the images were really half of a single 480p image, do it fast enough and you've got the illusion of a 480p image at 60fps. You can also use this trick to get higher resolution on old CRT monitors, set it to interlaced video and suddenly your framerate is doubbled, for instance, a CRT that might do 1920x1440p@45Hz is now 1920x1440i@90Hz with next to no extra bandwidth required.
@@user-le8ul4nr5t Yes, the 30 fps was based on the 60hz power frequency. This is also why for example, old school UK TV used 25fps. Their AC power is at 50hz.
NTSC was never 30fps, it was 60Hz like the power grid but it ran interlaced instead of progressive. That's how they solved the bandwith issue.
Likewise, PAL and SECAM ran 50Hz, not 25fps and also interlaced. PAL and SECAM compensated for the lower rate with offering a higher resolution instead.
PAL offered a better overall picture quality thanks to better colors and a sharper picture, however an American used to the 60Hz of NTSC might notice the 50Hz of PAL flickering a bit. Most Europeans never noticed this as they were completely used to this.
@@notsorandumusername And that's why all cameras was running 50 or 60 Hz and is still the defactor standard. You can film everything at 60 fps but 30 fps is not suitable for example in sports like ice hockey.
The pipe line showed in the video was not complete. In the exampole video is shot at 24 fps, edited in 24 fps and published at 24 fps but after that it's played at 60 fps. This won't play smoothly. 30 fps will play smoothly.
Yes 30 is perfect
Omg your amazing at explaining things! I honestly have watched so many videos trying to understand filming related stuff and struggle massively to keep up/get bored. You are actually so talented at getting the info out and making it interesting! Thank you☺️
I've been flying by the edge of my seat doing video and special fx for over ten years. I still learned quite a bit from this beginner tutorial. The NTSC portion was interesting and I appreciated your example of how you stretched the rules. Going to try the 30 frames/80% trick in a music video tonight! Thank you.
You def pointed out one of the biggest mistakes ive made. Worked on a music video with intentions to capture some slomo clips. Completely for got that it would trash the syncing with my audio. Live and Learn
Big part of the 60fps videos on youtube are from people talking to a camera. I think they simply went with the "the more, the best" idea.
Or things like sports or gaming video where the higher frame rate is certainly better!
A good example for a time you'd need to shoot exactly @ 24 frames, would be if you were shooting a subject against an LED video screen. this avoids any flicker or banding being seen.
extremely helpful for a beginner, and why oh why did I never consider that the higher frame rate when slowed down would offer a super smooth image, duh !
Man, I spent too many hours thinking about what framerate to shoot in and in the end switched to 30fps. For most youtube videos, I actually prefer the 30fps look over 24fps. I think the future is gonna be higher framerates (than 24).
naaa people still like that cinematic 24 look. Plus the rest of the world shoots 25 so if anything it will go to 25 or 50 for slowmo. I'm in film school and the 24/25 look is nailed into you. trust me it's not going anywhere.
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I think there’s a lot of 30 FPS out there now, but it really gives “TV” vibe to me. I prefer 24 whenever possible. Plus it makes my 60 footage just a touch slower. 👍🏻😉
@@MichaelJLong yeah, the slowmo thing is a good point :)
I have always felt that there’s a difference between the cinematic videos & non-cinematic & but I couldn’t figure out what exactly was it, I thought it could be the lighting, the definition of the video... but finally I got it.
Holy shit! Someone who can explain this so that even a stills guy can understand it!
Stills guy?
@@jamman7344 aka Photographer
I’ve just started following you about a week ago and what keeps me coming back besides the great detailed content is the way you present it in a very entertaining way. Totally Awesome👍🏼👍🏼
Appreciate the explanation of slowing faster frame rates down in slower projects by reducing speed by x percent. Keep up the great teaching.
Wow. I am 47 female with no photography knowledge. UA-cam videos never ever speak to me. Thank you for breaking things down.
This is INSANELY helpful and completely worth the watch. I genuinely learned a lot and feel like I understand how frames per second now! Great for beginners.
As others have said on here, I can’t help but notice what a good speaker you are.
I make TV spots, so I shoot in 30P since the NTSC TV broadcast standard is 30fps (or 60 fields). Shooting at 24fps introduces “pulldown” which doubles a field every other frame to stretch it into the 60 field base. This winds up looking choppy, and never looks as smooth as 30fps which has a frame to frame relationship with the TV standard.
You explained the frames just perfectly. Exactly what I was looking for. Simple! Easy to follow and easy to undersrand. Plus video examples 👏👏👏👌🙂
Thank you! 😊
Amazing video! The first time I actually understood what anyone meant about speeding up the song and slowing up the footage.
Best explanation of this that I’ve seen. Just got a canon m50 and was trying to figure this out for my new content. Now I’m set that on 23.9. Thanks!
Lol. I just shoot just about everything in 60fps and just lower it later in post. 96fps in my drone. I'm a noob.
This helped me a lot. Wasn’t sure which camera I wanted but after watching this video I was sure which one I wanted. Thanks a lot.
I am a newbie and this has been the most useful video I found on frame rate, great job thanks!
1:03 can we please appreciate his accurate sound effects?
I work in film and TV and have to say this UA-camr is an excellent teaching skills and breaks it down terrifically well.
The way you explain things is just very effective which keeps me engaged. Love your videos man! Please upload more often.
Thought my computer was bugging out when the video started to pause
same LMAOOO
I love how you speak and talk about things ure knowledgeable about. I love the personality, the wittiness, ur content never feel boring. Thank you for sharing some info! Lovelots
I get distracted very easily but this video is so well made that I couldn’t get distracted! Thank you I learned a lot!
If you watch Potato's videos at .75 % speed he seems really drunk and I can't stop laughing.
That's so true!
Lol!
You just made my day. So good! 😂
50 percent is even funnier
Thank you so much for this comment. I'm rewatching it in drunk mode now and it's simply hilarious.
24, I love for movies, music videos, B-rolls, but for Vlogging and talking to camera videos, I prefer 25 or 30, because I love to separate documentary/reality with film/fiction and it makes both things special for their mood, otherwise, everything looks the same and film is not special anymore. Still, it's the artist's choice, but to me, that difference really matters.
Dogs running in slowmo is just perfect. 😍❤️
Rhyan De Guzman you should get one of those heart like things
Eli Wesley lol sure hahaha
Right! 240 FPS
Aka the “drool on my screen” frame rate
As a consumer I always try to go for 60fps content because:
it looks more natural
it feels crispier and clearer
eyes don't get tired as much when watching something.
Honestly, after watching movies with low fps and high fps I'm never ever going back to lower fps. I don't get why there's such massive low for low frame rates
because they're pretentious and don't understand that 30fps is just factually better, 24fps only feels better because of films being shot in 24 for so long, it subconsciously feels better because you've been conditioned to feel that way because of all the films out there in 24, when if films were shot in 48 fps, you would be baffled by people even trying to go for 24fps, "48fps is way smoother!" you'd understandably state, "stop holding the industry back" would be a far more popular phrase than "idk guys, 24fps just feels better."
That's because you don't know enough about film to know why frame rate is important. PJ video is a great opportunity to "ask a question." That way you can leave here much more informed, than when you arrived.
As a consumer I always try to go for pictures and not paintings because:
it looks more natural
it feels crispier and clearer
eyes don't get tired because of all the unnatural colors and perspective mistakes.
Honestly, after clicking pictures with my dslr and then getting the same pics painted by artists I'm never ever going back to paintings. I don't get why there's such massive demand for paintings when we already have a superior tech.
@@dixit8611 You are more than just the sum of your parts. You are mind and soul. While the photograph represents your mind, the painting represents your soul, unique and distinct to each person. They are both equally important. So you need to learn appreciate each to be a well-rounded individual.
They say that because they don't know enough to know what they don't know. The history of film for starters. There's a reason 24 fps became the film standard over 100 years ago, and its not arbitrary. In fact, "crispier and clearer" is not natural, but sometimes necessary to focus on the content.
thank you. you have a knack for explaining things and then visually showing it.
I use 24fps sometimes for a cinematic look. But I usually film in 120fps mostly and 240fps at times, usually on a high refresh display with matching refresh rates. The results were awesome, the videos usually look dreamy and realistic with motion blur at 120fps and 240fps was almost real looking.
Yayyy thanks to this tutorial you've really helped clear up all my confusion as to why my exported videos look jittery than my original shots. 😵💫 Thanks so much teacher! 🤗
Thank you for the video! I am an aspiring FPV pilot and this has helped me determine what frame rate to shot in. And btw the beeps on your drone at the end just mean you need to connect a transmitter to the receiver. Its a safety feature built into the software.
Man, I was rendering a file while watching this and I thought my comp was crapping out on me 😂
That would only make sense if you're watching the video on mute.
I always enjoyed making short films. But I was unaware how much I real wanted to make engaging shorts. I am learning and enjoying the Process.
Namaste
Dave Ross
Bros gon unlock every camera out there💀💀
hahaha same
@@KevinAugusttWrong.
The only problem with 24 is that I find it very choppy with camera movements, especially when panning. The problem goes away with 60.
panning looks like total ass on 24, that's like the only time you can use 48/60 in movies
I know this was uploaded 5 years ago, but there's a lot of useful information. Thanks again for putting it together Potato Jet.
That simulation of moving frames at :50 is just epic
According to Spongebob, the only frame rate better than 24 is 25😂
JerryFunHouse lmao
bruhh 25 likes
Does, low frame rates affect the stabilazation of the footage? Thank you.
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slowmo guys use 25 frames per secound because it rounds up and down perfectly especialy with shutters at 1/25 1/50 1/100 1/200 1/400 1/800 1/1600 1/3200 1/6400 and 25p 50p 100p round perfectly
this is so good, right to details no unnecessary info that creates confusion and all and all great explanations
potato jet uploads quality content so often it makes me feel like i owe him money
Ngl I'm just happy that New Zealand was on that ntsc/pal map
This has accurately and so informatively answered questions i’ve had for years. THANK YOU!
thanks for clearing up a question I had, and I get that the principle is the same no matter where you use it, but this vid has far too much emphasis on NTSC framerates.
not everyone who watches this is in America. don't forget your pals in PAL world. I'll stop shooting in 50fps and opt for 25 from now on though, as I don't need the extra frames.
Hey, mate thanks a lot!
I always thought about getting that perfect smoothness of shooting at 30fps and then make it 24fps.
I always wonder how people do that, also make a video on that technique of lip sync you talked about.
Also please make a video about getting the perfect angle in the camera for video.
Rajdeep Borgohain yes please
Wow this vid was fantastic. I usually film our van vlogs in 24, but now I'm going to try 30 for the smoothness and feel.
I saw no difference, can you explain 24 vs 30?
So what I got from this is that since I do 30 and 60 mixed and I want to final render in 60 for action stuff, and 30 for calmer stuff, I should be editing in 30/60.
24 is off the table for the stuff i do because of the issues of framerates.
Yeah, 30FPs timeline, shoot in 30FPS but shoot things you want to slowmo or dramatic scenes in 60
@@GrimYak or a 24FPS timeline shoot general in 30FPS an then you get a little nice smoothness/cinematic style of look to your general stuff and then shoot 60/120fps for your slow motion/B-ROLL type stuff to slow it down?
Just export at 60p. Just disable any frame blending
Ok, all this frame rate discussion makes sense for US and NTSC places where the 'consumer' 30fps and the 'cinematic' 24 fps have a good 6 frames difference. But what about PAL places? Is 25fps (one frame difference) NOT cinematic enough ? Do we still need to convert 25/50 fps footage to 24 (risking artifacts), for a more cinematic look, or is 25fps near as good and we can keep things simple. I'd like to hear your opinions here.
Same here! What frame rate should pal use instead of 30fps
The 24 fps exist for cinema movies because they were done on film and it cost less to have the minimum number of frames. And the 24 fps was the minimum to have a smooth vision of moving pictures. No need to shoot at 24 fps in Pal countries on digital camera. You won't see a difference
between the two.
@@ClaudePN is it a good idea for me to switch from PAL to NTSC?
@@mbk.visuals No stay with PAL at 25fps
24 is a film standard that was
The dog footage demonstrates the point excellently, btw, and I loved the 'overcranking' at 30fps technique- great explanation.
amazing content as always i love how you edited the video when speaking bout frames per second!! clever👍👍
Thanks for clearing my doubt -- I've been guessing that the higher the frame rate the better for UA-cam videos.
Thanks very much Mr Jet for helping us all through your channel !
Theres more people these days than ever creating content for whatever reason due to Digital tech finally getting to a point where things are running pretty smoothly as well as affordability enabling us to have what used to cost huge amounts of hard earned dollars.
Your abilities have certainly helped get me get my channel up and running.
We applaud you !
0:56 At this point i checked my render and was worried it would crash xD
"You're really not benefiting that much from having that extra frame per second at going all the way to 60" said no gamer ever.
I am just starting to make my videos to look appealing and good to the eyes and ears of my followers. I searched a lot of how to about FPS and your video answered my questions. Thanks for the information about FPS. Now I know why 24 is standard in most places for shooting videos and 60+ FPS is intended for special shots (slo-mo). I am very impressed the way you made it easy and simple to understand. I like the way you gave the example visually. Another thing, I like the way you explained things with out any advertisement or bs. Again, thank you so much and God bless.
I went to film school and I feel like such an idiot. This was explained so perfectly. Also, I learned video is not even video, it's quite literally a process of taking several photos per second. LOL on my way to make a movie now byeeeeee
Sequence FPS divided by Video FPS * 100 = best %speed slow motion
Example:
Video shot on 120 fps / Sequence FPS on 24 = Smoothest at 20% speed
Video shot on 60 fps / Sequence FPS on 24 = Smoothest at 40% speed
Video shot on 30 fps / Sequence FPS on 24 = Smoothest at 80% speed
Video shot on 24 fps / Sequence FPS on 24 = Smoothest at 100% speed
@@Savage1776_ If you want a very slow motion yes
Dennis Ivan Chavez I thought 24fps was 80% speed 🙄 I watch to many videos with different information
Wow I just watched 1:20secs of the video and I’m wowed already at how you made such a good explanation with the visual display
I would personally %100 prefer 60fps for watching someone talk or vlog on youtube, 24 is good for cinematic stuff and movies but 60fps is was easier on the eye and much better for consuming content on youtube
same, for me the lower framerate just makes the video lower quality. i really dont understand why you would want a lower framerate for anything. but then again i am a gamer...
@@konnectdyo7070 I agree, like, mannn anything looks better in more fps, 24 fps isn't cinematic because it's cinematic, you can make anything cinematic if you're good enough
Back when I was a kid (in the 80s), 30fps was the framerate of television cameras or anything else that was 'taped' rather than 'filmed'. These television productions were lower-res and often consisted of lower production values. As a result, 24fps, which my brain associates with cinema, represents a higher quality.
I understand that higher framerate = smoother movement, etc., and that production quality is not a function of framerate, but my brain still associates 24fps with quality. One could argue that higher framerate is always preferable, but after a point I think it's just a matter of taste.
So for youtube 2,5k 60fps is better than 4k 25fps?
%100?
I film whatever frame rate I want! I don't get the cinematic feel of 24 fps and the smooth 60fps! Only difference I notice is the slowmotion capability of the 60fps!
Thank you for making this video bro. I appreciate how you don't make any of us feel stupid whilst teaching us.
For UA-cam film at 30fps.
Most people have 60hz monitors, and 24 isn't simply divisible by 60.
very helpful!
Yes it’s true ! What frame do you usually go for?
@@jv8studios
23.97fps
@@milestailsprower4555 what do you usually shoot ?
@@jv8studios 29.97 is greater than 23.97 because 30.00 is greater than 24.00
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That was a awesome reveal. I have been shooting for awhile but don't have the machine to start learning editing and this short video answered a lot of questions that I had. You are a very good teacher as well as probably being an awesome cinematographer/producer.
You record and upload in 24fps and I watch it in 30fps because of 1.25x speed :p
That's like 3.25 or something
I watch 48.... Gotta save time, yah know
Excellent video. Lucid and enlightening. Especially with respect to the historical derivation of current frame rate standards. Of most interest is shooting at 60 frames/sec which allows for better slow mo.
This was the most helpful of all videos I watched on this topic. Really had all the questions covered finally for me. Thank you, you’re amazing
The real question is : if shooting at 24 frames per second, can you still capture the second take when filming for the first time your third 60 Second Spot on the 21st of the fourth month you’ve bought your 25th camera???
PS: I’ve watched this video 23.976 times, just to make sure this isn’t a stupid question!
Please Help!
AccidentalBroadcast HAHAHAHAHHAHA!!!!!
Reading this hurt my head.
Great Tutorial to learn the Frame Rate Basics :-)
Wow, such great info here, thank you for sharing. I am super low budget and just beginning with my first DSLR, a cannon T7. I know as far as frame rates I will probably be limited by my camera but as I learn I know where to go to find the information I need. I have been watching a lot of how to videos but this video taught me more about frame rates and slow motion than all the others I have watched put together. Thank you again, you did an awesome job with this video.
Them: 60 frames per second
Me: 60 frames per minute
@Nugget yt More Like the New Samsung xD
me: 60 minutes per frame
0:55 that’s how my footage looks when I’m editing 😂 I guess that’s why they created proxies
Thank you for sharing your knowledge...much appreciated...I don’t understand why anyone would down vote this video???
When we say that 24 fps is more "cinematic", doesnt it mean cinema of yesteryear? If technology has evolved so much from the time of film, why cant we define "cinema" with the new technology, tools, and means? Why is everyone purposely emulating the look and feel of a bygone era instead of setting new standards?
PS.: I am new to photography/videography, so asking these questions in all honesty
it's about it looking aesthetic and smooth, as opposed to hyper real. Just like colour editing in photography to evoke emotion, it does the same to motion. When you go to an electronic shop and the TVs on displays have that strange hyper real look. For me, I agree that the hyper real look feels less like a story. Though hyper real 30 or 60fps could work well for a really detailed stunning scene so i think that can have a role, I haven't seen it applied in a storytelling way that Ive been blown away by.
@@sebastianwood8515 Thanks for the explanation ... I've recently developed a voracious appetite for all things photography, so personal views are more valuable than learning from a book.
@@sebastianwood8515 another question: how does one achieve that juxtaposition of different frame rates in editing?
@@monsieurhassanSorry I'm not sure I follow what you mean by the juxtaposition of different frame rates. Could you rephrase that in a different way?
@@sebastianwood8515 sorry that was unnecassarily terse ... what I meant was if we have to use different frame rates in a single video, how can we do that in editing? For instance, using 24 fps for most of the video and putting in 30 or 60 intermittently ...
NTSC - NEVER TWICE the SAME COLOUR! hahah
PAL - PICTURE AT LAST
And no true reds either. It was more of an orange red
@Bobby Brady well NTSC has gotten better but it's still not as good as PAL it has a smaller colour spectrum and doesn't shoot at exactly 24 or 30fps which is undesirable for more technical reasons. NTSC was the original system and PAL is the more modern system so naturally has many more advantages.
@@danieldesmond3422 PAL broadcasts something like 20% moire lines of resolution compared to NTSC. More lines means more visual information, which equals better picture quality and resolution. no one uses internal camera audio when making quality films, so even if audio "was" sped up, it's irrelevant for producers who use actual microphones in production
@@groovesmedia989 That's what I was saying about better quality. More lines of resolution. You're right about the audio though. However, it is still a problem that exists on NTSC that doesn't exist on PAL. It's really not a big deal what you shoot. I was initially just making a joke
This was the frame rate I decided to choose for my videos! Very important information :)
You are the boss im watching your videos since 2 years and i have learned things more then film school that im going to in Turkey nice job dud i hope someday films with you . Your friend from syria ( Thank you )
Hey, you're in which school?
@@zahitemremetin606 Giresun university
@@alanbak.r Why did you choose that school?
@@zahitemremetin606 it was the only opprotunity to me because i came to Turkey as refugee but now im very happy "making films" like dream to me because my dad he was an director in syria before the war ..
You just saved my life Thank you so much !!
Excellent video with crystal clear explanations on the frame rates. 13 minutes and you answered my questions! Thank you!
For example 4K DCI standard assumes true 24fps
My brain just gained some IQ points with this video,🤯.... thank you🥰......
this is like the only most helpful explanation vid for fps ever! Thank you!!
This one always got me: NTSC - Never The Same Color 🤣
4:12 I feel cinematic 24 fps also looks a little more “dreamy” than 30 fps or 60 fps. It appears to be smooth enough for immersion, while still being unnoticeably choppy, like in a dream, to put the film in a “fictional” realm of my mind. I think that is part of the magic of movies.
@Yang Du I can't find your comment but ill paraphrase what you said. "not to film anything at 24 because computer screens have a refresh rate of 60hz." while a lot of monitors have a 60hz refresh rate that doesn't mean not to film at 24fps. TV shows are filmed at 30FPS and that's before the drop frame and TVs have just as high refresh rates too. Vimeo is comprised of many short films and videos from content creators that are shot at 24FPS- that is a service on the web, meant to be watched on a computer screen. It highly just depends on what you are shooting and what style you are going for. Bruno Mars has a video "finesse (remix)" that shows a high frame rate on a high frame rate timelime.
I wish someday media supports 120, 144, 170, 240 fps, wouldn't that be great?
I fell in love since I started gaming at 144
Yeah. Ever since I started gaming at 144+ fps, 24fps video looks choppy.