For those who may want to know. Another contender is the Yokomo Yz4 sf2. Tl;dr: Its a better associated with less part support. I really liked how the kit went together, better than the Team Associated, though I don't have an opinion on the others as I haven't built them. My fav thing about it though is the kit comes with enough stuff to make it either a dirt of carpet car with exception of a center diff which kind of sucks. As for how it drives it drives, I have driven all of these and I think he's right in saying that the Losi is better to drive, but the Yokomo is not far off, at least for turf. I do think it's better to drive than the other three including the Xray, not really faster but much easier to control. As for durability, the one thing I have broken on multiple occasions have been the front A arms. More durable than the Losi but less than the Associated. Last thing is part support. Yokomo isn't as big in the US but you can still find parts at the larger hobby shops lile OCRC and Beach RC. If you live down under or in Europe you should be good as well.
I've never driven on a rc track before. I just bought a new XRAY XB4D 2024 (dirt) and a Hobbywing XR10 Stock Spec G2 Sensored Brushless ESC/V10 G4R Motor Combo (17.5T) Since am retired now and winter is coming, I plan on practicing on our local indoor dirt track, and then try racing in the stock 17.5 class
Seems to me, the best bang for the buck for outdoor dirt racing is the Tekno.... for either dirt or carpet, the TLR need a good bit of changes, kinda like they need a V2 with an AC and DC kits...so it is close out of the box for high traction or dirt... for the price of the TLR kit, then adding a center diff and such to make it work well on dirt, that's putting it up there in cost... I am researching some carpet stuff as I am totally new to carpet racing...at this point I think I am going to check out the new track in my area when it opens next month, and likely if we get into carpet we will stick to some 2wd B6.3 kits for starters... Any input for a family that is getting into carpet racing, but has a decent bit of experience outdoors on dirt? Thanks for all the content...
Sic Video . Couple of questions . which cost the most in Optional parts to get it to a perfect carpet/ astro race spect? Which has the Best Shocks ? Which is the most capable out of the Box (No options ) ? THX and keep up the good work .
Awesome review.....spot on every point....love my 22x4.....my style of driving is aggressive.....so I love stick set up.....great job....have fun and be safe!👍
I've got a heap of bashers and just bought my first kit being the 22x4 and going to be dirt racing. Don't have any of the electronics yet and keen for some advice on what to get 👍 would be greatly appreciated ✌️
Interesting reviews,I do think the 4wd scene is so same same now,if you push any car hard enough it will break eventually. Check out MRO Racing looks like the tt predator is getting reborn with all the problems they had out the window well worth a look 👍😎
Any plans to get the flex chassis for the Cat L1 Evo to see how much it improves the car handling versus the stock chassis? Hopefully next year you can review the other brands 4wd cars like Sworkz, Serpent and PR Racing. Great review comparison.
Look at these at the moment.. Was going to go T.a as that's what my 2wd carpet car is but want something for a dirt track.. Xray is actually cheaper than the TLR at the moment... You had me until you complained about the shocks :P ... if TLR is winning and loved by so many and has great shocks and is still your number 2.. that might be me... I see there is a 2022 version now though so maybe improved..
@@daveshank1921 yeah, no problem, I had an EB410 but sold it when my track went to carpet which I don’t think the EB is optimized for. Didn’t get an EB410.2 for the same reason.
@@RazorRC I hear ya man. I just remembered you had one a while back. They can be setup for carpet but with 4 cars it's hard to find time to set them all up.
@@chowettgoes what year and what surface? I would strongly recommend a 20 or 21 if you race seriously, if you’re mid to rear of the pack and don’t care just have fun, an 18 or 19 is still an excellent car.
@@krisdumigan4086 I’m back to racing after a 30 year hiatus 😅 Thanks for the advise I think with my budget I’ll be after an 18. I basically want to get a good platform so I spend my money wisely over coming months/years. Carpet in winter, grass up till now
Yeah you're definitely missing a few cars. I get a bit annoyed when people say Xray was the company that pioneered the modern 4wd layout, it was Yokomo with the Bmax & Jconcepts/Associated with the BJ4/B44 way before Xray. Every car started looking like a Yokomo B max4. I'm seriously looking at the Yokomo over all these & I'm more of a Losi fan than anything else.
Technically, before Yokomo it was Tamiya with the Avante platform. Granted the Avante platform itself was a HUGE oddball compared to other models, but many of the design elements of modern 4WD buggies had their beginnings on that historic car.
@@VestedUTuber no, that's a totally different layout. I said modern layout with some crazy suspension. I like the Avante & Egress but it's not technically the same. At the time those cars were around yokomo were running the YZ10 platform and winning almost everything. It took a long time for yokomo to adopt a shaft drive buggy, I very much doubt they took any design ideas from the Avante platform.
@@D20MCK It's not just the shaft drive. The double deck CFC chassis that's a staple in the class and the general internal chassis layout used on these cars originated from the Avante. Most of the 4wd buggies of that era still used tubs.
@@VestedUTuber can't think of any current competition 4wd that run a double deck layout, also the original yokomo Bmax used a composite tub chassis that was released around 2008, nothing wrong with a tub chassis. The Schumacher CAT SWB was a double deck layout, this was released in 1986. The Avante wasn't released until 1988. Please stop trying to school me on toy cars!
@@D20MCK Fair enough. I concede. And I never tried to say there was anything wrong with a tub chassis, just that it's an older design compared to double-deck and single-deck plates. I will note that if you look back just a generation or two, double-deck cars were everywhere in pretty much every 4WD 1/10th scale class. Seems they went out of style with the shift to carpet racing, where the high levels of grip have made a low center of gravity more important than low weight.
hey i'm new here and want to get into 4wd rc buggy competition. what do you recommended for long run? . and how about LC Racing LC10B? i wanted somethings that can compete well enough and upgradable for more serious race.
I would say start out by looking at local parts and upgrade support to narrow your choices. Xray doesn't have as much support for me here, but the major track an hour away does support it. My closest store has more Losi stuff. Years ago at another shop, TE would have the best support. I have another store about 30 minutes away, too, with similar products, but they are known to support a wider range of products and brands. As a matter of fact, they have more than any store I have ever seen other than online. So start with what's available. Then, choose based on what you see here. Tekno seems to be a good choice. X-ray is more, but they also start out more race ready. Losi, you can get a more race ready version kit, too. AE now has a .2 version of the one you see here, so I would expect it to be very competitive if you get the upgraded race version. Still can't decide? See who is driving what locally at your track and talk with them. Some guys are really objective and will tell you what they want next and why. Others will have a lot of brand loyalty but will tell you why, too.
Bro all in fun but you really be hating on the b74.1 😂 i think its faster then the TLR. I mean professional wise, the racers win more with the b74.1 in my opinion
The teknos are nice but driving the tlr or the xray compared to them you can feel the difference, they’re better cars, but then again the tlr is $100 more and the X-ray almost 200 more so you’re paying for it.
These are not all the best the top players are missing. Hot bodies, Hobao, Tekno, Durango which is arrma now. And mugen, kyosho. And couple special edition ofna converted buggies that won a couple awards that turned into hobao. Yes the ones listed are no weak offerings yet when you post these as the best yes maybe in some categories yet the rest are place winners and a couple were chased away because they were to good and forced out by the industry's games. Like the xtm buggies slight longer and wider wheelbase which made them dangerous on the track as well as strong performers. So the offerings are vast and many bad ass yet to label them the best maybe I guess so, yet some are better than these. And don't forget it's about the drivers and the builds and set ups whom win the races. And we haven't even touched the Japanese cars we will never see in the states or the English lands. And those are built to race and win everything. And if corally built a straight up race buggy with its racing heritage some of you would need that one in your collection hmm racing bashing speed runs 1/8th scale buggies can do it all even turn into a truggy. Have fun and drive to win the race and study your tracks to be the best
These are the absolute top 4 cars for racing. Nothing wrong with the Tekno or hb but they’re not quite in their league and armmas are cool, but they’re bash vehicles and won’t hang in a race with these.
Gives public review on buggies, runs a setup that the pro drivers have to release to the public.. but the setup is never 100% correct to what the pro drivers setup actually is… How can you review buggies but not have the knowledge to run a setup that suits you and the track your racing at? This is as pathetic as those thumb nails !
I try different published pro setups and find the one I like the best and then make minor changes as needed for my track and me. Over time it’s easy to find a pro that matches how I like my cars to perform, but the point of these reviews has nothing to do with the setup, as obviously that is going to vary person to person. I include it so that people know what baseline I am using as a reference point for the video.
The shocks tend reputation wise tend from what gets said team associated shocks seem to be the best . No leak.. thing is I thing I watched your previous video that was a which is the best that had the tekno eb410.2 . I think from memory you said there was an issue with those or that could have been the team Corally... One thing is that for me parts availability (in a store vs online) and durability . That being in Australia shops don't tend to carry where I live race buggies . Only really two brands Schumacher and YOKOMO have been found.. one shop seems to now be adding TLR ...tekno does also exist in one store but by order rather than walk in a store and buy. As I personally am not in a position to be racing I've been looking at a buggy for driving in the street or park . So my question to you would be is there a buggy you could say is worth looking at .. in the lower price zone. Compared to the race buggies.
All of them are better than any driver, just buy what you like and practice, practice practice!
For those who may want to know. Another contender is the Yokomo Yz4 sf2.
Tl;dr: Its a better associated with less part support.
I really liked how the kit went together, better than the Team Associated, though I don't have an opinion on the others as I haven't built them. My fav thing about it though is the kit comes with enough stuff to make it either a dirt of carpet car with exception of a center diff which kind of sucks.
As for how it drives it drives, I have driven all of these and I think he's right in saying that the Losi is better to drive, but the Yokomo is not far off, at least for turf. I do think it's better to drive than the other three including the Xray, not really faster but much easier to control.
As for durability, the one thing I have broken on multiple occasions have been the front A arms. More durable than the Losi but less than the Associated.
Last thing is part support. Yokomo isn't as big in the US but you can still find parts at the larger hobby shops lile OCRC and Beach RC. If you live down under or in Europe you should be good as well.
thanks for the quick review of the Yokomo!
Serpent has nice beltdrive setup
I've never driven on a rc track before. I just bought a new XRAY XB4D 2024 (dirt) and a Hobbywing XR10 Stock Spec G2 Sensored Brushless ESC/V10 G4R Motor Combo (17.5T)
Since am retired now and winter is coming, I plan on practicing on our local indoor dirt track, and then try racing in the stock 17.5 class
Nice I really like the red top white side look that's how I just painted my 8th scale just like this.
Seems to me, the best bang for the buck for outdoor dirt racing is the Tekno.... for either dirt or carpet, the TLR need a good bit of changes, kinda like they need a V2 with an AC and DC kits...so it is close out of the box for high traction or dirt... for the price of the TLR kit, then adding a center diff and such to make it work well on dirt, that's putting it up there in cost...
I am researching some carpet stuff as I am totally new to carpet racing...at this point I think I am going to check out the new track in my area when it opens next month, and likely if we get into carpet we will stick to some 2wd B6.3 kits for starters...
Any input for a family that is getting into carpet racing, but has a decent bit of experience outdoors on dirt?
Thanks for all the content...
I love these buggy shootouts! Thank you for doing this! Although 3 of the buggies look almost the same ;)
X-ray, X-ray and X-ray again. The X-ray is a top race car.
Sic Video . Couple of questions .
which cost the most in Optional parts to get it to a perfect carpet/ astro race spect?
Which has the Best Shocks ?
Which is the most capable out of the Box (No options ) ?
THX and keep up the good work .
Excellent review and comparison!
Glad you enjoyed it
Awesome review.....spot on every point....love my 22x4.....my style of driving is aggressive.....so I love stick set up.....great job....have fun and be safe!👍
I've got a heap of bashers and just bought my first kit being the 22x4 and going to be dirt racing. Don't have any of the electronics yet and keen for some advice on what to get 👍 would be greatly appreciated ✌️
@@thomasthetankengine7153 hobbywing is a good way to go.....13.5 would be great. I have that in mine......Razor runs them in all of his....
Great comparison! 4WD buggies are awesome and I guess the Xray is the one to get! 👍
Thanks 👍
If you are ever looking for a new exotic buggy brand to test, I would be curious to watch your opinion on the SWORKz cars
Your video is gold. Thank you.
Can u make same test for 2WD please?
Where would you stack the tekno eb410.2 alongside these?
fan mount make or part # for xb4. thank you. great video
Why don’t the rear wings get painted?
Interesting reviews,I do think the 4wd scene is so same same now,if you push any car hard enough it will break eventually.
Check out MRO Racing looks like the tt predator is getting reborn with all the problems they had out the window well worth a look 👍😎
Any plans to get the flex chassis for the Cat L1 Evo to see how much it improves the car handling versus the stock chassis? Hopefully next year you can review the other brands 4wd cars like Sworkz, Serpent and PR Racing. Great review comparison.
Maybe, but I suspect Schumacher is coming out with a new 4wd buggy soon.
Cool RCs and great overview of them
Thanks, hope you're doing well.
What about mugen mbxr electric 🤔
What about 2wd carpet?? What would you rank these brands??
Hi, good video. For 2awd, what the best buggy ? Thanks
Do race Friday nights at Nor_cal? I've been trying to figure out who you are?
HB is missing...!🤔
Look at these at the moment.. Was going to go T.a as that's what my 2wd carpet car is but want something for a dirt track.. Xray is actually cheaper than the TLR at the moment... You had me until you complained about the shocks :P ... if TLR is winning and loved by so many and has great shocks and is still your number 2.. that might be me... I see there is a 2022 version now though so maybe improved..
Does X-ray have the best durability? Thank you for any inputs.
Why no EB410. I bought mine last year and it is awsome.
I bought 4 $800 kits, and you’re asking me why I didn’t buy 5? 🤔
@@RazorRC Not really. I just thought you had one because of past videos. Those included in the video are some really nice cars.
@@daveshank1921 yeah, no problem, I had an EB410 but sold it when my track went to carpet which I don’t think the EB is optimized for. Didn’t get an EB410.2 for the same reason.
@@RazorRC I hear ya man. I just remembered you had one a while back. They can be setup for carpet but with 4 cars it's hard to find time to set them all up.
any views in the tekno eb410.2?
Xray 💪
You nailed it.
Nice collection
Thank you
Whats the best 2wd?
Tekno is a big brand too
...and they know where to find me 🙂
@@RazorRC lol. I just got a Yokomo YZ-2 DT-3 gonna do my first 2wd spec car for high bite clay which is also new to me and very excited about it
Every buggy review you’ve done recently makes me want the most expensive! Xray please 😉
Yetl
Xray is a superb choice. I love my xb4 xb2 and XT2! They are excellent out of the box
@@krisdumigan4086 you have a lovely selection of cars there. I’m currently looking at picking up a second hand xb4
@@chowettgoes what year and what surface? I would strongly recommend a 20 or 21 if you race seriously, if you’re mid to rear of the pack and don’t care just have fun, an 18 or 19 is still an excellent car.
@@krisdumigan4086 I’m back to racing after a 30 year hiatus 😅 Thanks for the advise I think with my budget I’ll be after an 18. I basically want to get a good platform so I spend my money wisely over coming months/years. Carpet in winter, grass up till now
That’s hard to answer
no, its 9:47
Why no Tekno EB410.2?
💰
Serpent Spyder SRX4 Gen3 is definitely missed out, surely it is better than 1 of these 4.
Probably!
I waiting for the new Tamiya TD4 SUPER AVANTE to come out, it's motor position is lower than the diff, definitely an awesome design!
Serpent has nice cars. I tried them. I just don't see the marketing you see with TLR, Associated, Xray etc
Yeah you're definitely missing a few cars. I get a bit annoyed when people say Xray was the company that pioneered the modern 4wd layout, it was Yokomo with the Bmax & Jconcepts/Associated with the BJ4/B44 way before Xray. Every car started looking like a Yokomo B max4.
I'm seriously looking at the Yokomo over all these & I'm more of a Losi fan than anything else.
Technically, before Yokomo it was Tamiya with the Avante platform. Granted the Avante platform itself was a HUGE oddball compared to other models, but many of the design elements of modern 4WD buggies had their beginnings on that historic car.
@@VestedUTuber no, that's a totally different layout. I said modern layout with some crazy suspension. I like the Avante & Egress but it's not technically the same. At the time those cars were around yokomo were running the YZ10 platform and winning almost everything. It took a long time for yokomo to adopt a shaft drive buggy, I very much doubt they took any design ideas from the Avante platform.
@@D20MCK
It's not just the shaft drive. The double deck CFC chassis that's a staple in the class and the general internal chassis layout used on these cars originated from the Avante. Most of the 4wd buggies of that era still used tubs.
@@VestedUTuber can't think of any current competition 4wd that run a double deck layout, also the original yokomo Bmax used a composite tub chassis that was released around 2008, nothing wrong with a tub chassis. The Schumacher CAT SWB was a double deck layout, this was released in 1986. The Avante wasn't released until 1988.
Please stop trying to school me on toy cars!
@@D20MCK
Fair enough. I concede.
And I never tried to say there was anything wrong with a tub chassis, just that it's an older design compared to double-deck and single-deck plates.
I will note that if you look back just a generation or two, double-deck cars were everywhere in pretty much every 4WD 1/10th scale class. Seems they went out of style with the shift to carpet racing, where the high levels of grip have made a low center of gravity more important than low weight.
Do you have any buggies my son can take off your hands? Looks like you have too many. 😉
WHAT.. NO TEKNO ????😕
I’ve reviewed the EB410 and just got an EB48 2.0… 🤨
where is the Yokomo ? Yokomo is the 4wd standard.
they are great i have one but they don't have good support in the U.S.
Thank u
What about Tekno
hey i'm new here and want to get into 4wd rc buggy competition. what do you recommended for long run? . and how about LC Racing LC10B? i wanted somethings that can compete well enough and upgradable for more serious race.
I would say start out by looking at local parts and upgrade support to narrow your choices. Xray doesn't have as much support for me here, but the major track an hour away does support it. My closest store has more Losi stuff. Years ago at another shop, TE would have the best support. I have another store about 30 minutes away, too, with similar products, but they are known to support a wider range of products and brands. As a matter of fact, they have more than any store I have ever seen other than online.
So start with what's available. Then, choose based on what you see here. Tekno seems to be a good choice. X-ray is more, but they also start out more race ready. Losi, you can get a more race ready version kit, too. AE now has a .2 version of the one you see here, so I would expect it to be very competitive if you get the upgraded race version.
Still can't decide? See who is driving what locally at your track and talk with them. Some guys are really objective and will tell you what they want next and why. Others will have a lot of brand loyalty but will tell you why, too.
Wicked
What no banggood wltoys in this shoot out? People say it's bad ass and so much cheaper then these buggies!! Lmao 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣.
Mugen?
best is the TEAM LOSI 24
Tekno?
Bro all in fun but you really be hating on the b74.1 😂 i think its faster then the TLR. I mean professional wise, the racers win more with the b74.1 in my opinion
No Tekno?
Tekno
Cant watch it with the music
No tekno on there
The teknos are nice but driving the tlr or the xray compared to them you can feel the difference, they’re better cars, but then again the tlr is $100 more and the X-ray almost 200 more so you’re paying for it.
These are not all the best the top players are missing. Hot bodies, Hobao, Tekno, Durango which is arrma now. And mugen, kyosho. And couple special edition ofna converted buggies that won a couple awards that turned into hobao. Yes the ones listed are no weak offerings yet when you post these as the best yes maybe in some categories yet the rest are place winners and a couple were chased away because they were to good and forced out by the industry's games. Like the xtm buggies slight longer and wider wheelbase which made them dangerous on the track as well as strong performers. So the offerings are vast and many bad ass yet to label them the best maybe I guess so, yet some are better than these. And don't forget it's about the drivers and the builds and set ups whom win the races. And we haven't even touched the Japanese cars we will never see in the states or the English lands. And those are built to race and win everything. And if corally built a straight up race buggy with its racing heritage some of you would need that one in your collection hmm racing bashing speed runs 1/8th scale buggies can do it all even turn into a truggy. Have fun and drive to win the race and study your tracks to be the best
This is a 1/10 scale shootout.
These are the absolute top 4 cars for racing. Nothing wrong with the Tekno or hb but they’re not quite in their league and armmas are cool, but they’re bash vehicles and won’t hang in a race with these.
Music annoying
Gives public review on buggies, runs a setup that the pro drivers have to release to the public.. but the setup is never 100% correct to what the pro drivers setup actually is…
How can you review buggies but not have the knowledge to run a setup that suits you and the track your racing at?
This is as pathetic as those thumb nails !
I try different published pro setups and find the one I like the best and then make minor changes as needed for my track and me. Over time it’s easy to find a pro that matches how I like my cars to perform, but the point of these reviews has nothing to do with the setup, as obviously that is going to vary person to person. I include it so that people know what baseline I am using as a reference point for the video.
That Schumacher is garbage. 1990’s design
The shocks tend reputation wise tend from what gets said team associated shocks seem to be the best . No leak.. thing is I thing I watched your previous video that was a which is the best that had the tekno eb410.2 . I think from memory you said there was an issue with those or that could have been the team Corally...
One thing is that for me parts availability (in a store vs online) and durability . That being in Australia shops don't tend to carry where I live race buggies . Only really two brands Schumacher and YOKOMO have been found.. one shop seems to now be adding TLR ...tekno does also exist in one store but by order rather than walk in a store and buy.
As I personally am not in a position to be racing I've been looking at a buggy for driving in the street or park . So my question to you would be is there a buggy you could say is worth looking at .. in the lower price zone. Compared to the race buggies.
Didn't this layout first appear with the yokomo bmax like 10 years ago? The only difference I see is the servo is on the left instead of the right.