This video gives a good view of where you are coming from. I have only seen 3 or 4 of your previous presentation. It has taken time for me to understand some of your scientific language. Thanks.
Top Foods for Supporting Beneficial Gut Bacteria: Oats (rich in beta-glucan fiber, supports various bacteria like Faecalibacterium and Roseburia) Garlic (high in inulin and prebiotic fibers) Onions (rich in inulin, supports a wide range of beneficial bacteria) Bananas (especially green bananas for resistant starch) Barley (beta-glucan fiber and resistant starch content) Apples (high in pectin, supports multiple bacteria) Flaxseeds (fiber-rich and supports butyrate-producing bacteria) Legumes (beans, lentils; high in fiber and supports gut diversity) Chicory Root (rich in inulin, great for prebiotic support) Whole Grains (general category, like whole wheat and rye) Leafy Greens (spinach, kale; polyphenol-rich and supports beneficial bacteria) Berries (blueberries, raspberries; polyphenols and fiber support gut health) Dark Chocolate (polyphenol-rich, beneficial for various bacteria) Yogurt (live cultures support multiple beneficial bacteria directly) Kefir (fermented milk drink, high in probiotics) Broccoli and Cauliflower (fiber-rich, supports fiber-digesting bacteria) Pomegranate (polyphenols support specific beneficial bacteria) Chia Seeds (fiber-rich and supports gut regularity) Green Tea (polyphenols help beneficial bacteria thrive) Cranberries (polyphenols and prebiotic benefits) Jerusalem Artichokes (high in inulin) Cooked and Cooled Potatoes (for resistant starch content) Kimchi and Sauerkraut (fermented vegetables with live cultures) Bran (especially wheat or oat bran; rich in fiber) Red Wine (polyphenols in moderation, supports gut bacteria)
mostly yes, but I'd have a number of comments. I didn't want to write another book. I've been replying to comments from this video pretty much all day.
@@TheMicrobiomeExpert But you said that lactic acid-producing probiotics are a bad idea. At least I thought that's what you said. Bifido strains are lactic acid producers, so why would you approve of them.
Lacto is prolific for one. But there are other lacto-producing species, like species from Streptococcus, known pathogens. So it's the combination of lactate accumulation, thriving in various pHs (the good guys thrive within roughly 5.5-6.5), thriving with the use of antibiotics and PPIs (which Lacto and Strepto do but Bifido does now) and the ability to become an opportunisitic pathogen.
As of 1.3 years ago I now have full severe Vasculitis & Myositis. And a third totally unknown. When I first (& now) took Probiotics, saurkraut I totally felt it. Deeply. Minimum 30 billion, better @ 50 billion.
I have an advice for you. Some people will not understand you, and some will misunderstand(even on purpose). Some will purposefully ignore the context and say things like “you said so bla bla” even without watching the whole video. You need to understand that you can not deal with these kind of people by answering them. For your own health, stop explaining to everybody. There are many people that they actually have no idea what they are talking about.
Thanks for bringing up B.Subtilis. I failed trying to get the spores to work in soybeans, so I fermented raw dairy. It does well in milk but I don’t know how good it actually is as a prebiotic. It tastes fine. But not as good as Kefir. Any thoughts?
@@stephenduplantier2151 Combine lactobacillus with subtilis then the texture and taste is good. You need the lactic acid from lactobacillus. I like fermentum me3 + b subtilis hu58 yogurt. For soybeans you need to buy specifically the b subtilis natto strain not regular b subtilis.
Hello Dr, your channel has been a real eye openor! I wanted some advice, i have a badly dysbiotic gut and every time i eat healthy foods i become extremely bloated, i did microbiome testing and it showed my bacteria was out of balance big time, you advise to not go with probiotics, what can i do to turn things around? Any advice would be much appreciated, thanks in advance!
I didn't see fermented foods addressed. Kimchi, sauerkraut, miso, natto, tempeh, Kefir and cheeses like parmesan reggiano (and maybe Gouda, Emmental, Gruyere, Roqueforte, especially those made with raw milk) have all been shown to have beneficial effects on the gut microbiome, at least in small limited studies, and the research wasn't funded by entities with a conflict of interest either. If most the beneficial bacterial in the gut cannot survive outside of the gut, where do they come from?
Again, if you are healthy, and fermented foods make you happy, then enjoy them in moderation. I'm just presenting the data across the board. And on average, if you are dysbiotic, then they can be a bad idea, and some a very bad idea. For example, milk proteins are HIGHLY problematic in the dysbiotic. So with say kefir from cows milk, you're introducing dairy proteins, Lactobacillus and other bacteria possibly on top of SIBO and lactate. It's a TERRIBLE combination. It may help in some people, but on average, it's a very bad idea.
@@TheMicrobiomeExpert my understanding is that fermented dairy is where there’s the most evidence for benefit, and to some extent soybeans too. Maybe it’s not good for dysbiosis but high amounts of inulin, resistant starch and most prebiotic fibers championed here have been shown to increase inflammation in a dysbiotic gut too. There is at least one A2/A2 kefir product out there for those who don’t like the A1 milk protein for whatever reason, but if you follow the science as claimed then a casein allergy is pretty rare, less than 1% of the population.
There are a number of proteins (epitopes) in dairy of concern. A2 is a better option. The prebiotics introduction is a long story, but I address it in my videos. It has to be done properly.
I don't know if you look at actual studies instead of correlational speculation, a lot of strains of lactobacillus have tons of well researched positive effects. E.g l rhamnosus gg, fermentum me3, reutri DSM 17938. I think you are a smart guy but surprisingly simplistic when it comes to this topic. The reason you are the only one saying lactobacillus are bad, is because it is contrary to all the evidence of trials involving the well-studied strains. I see your point but you are misleading the audience by omission. Also since probiotics don't colonize who the hell cares? All we care about is what happens when people take a certain strain of lactobacillus probiotic and there is no shortage of those studies proving you wrong. I really don't understand what there is to even discuss.
Please see my simplistic reply to RandomHu above. So, in your vast experience, you value lactobacillus and lactate in the gut more than butyrate-producers and butyrate? I think you need to read the original research and not what the companies who sell these products want you to see.
@@TheMicrobiomeExpert I don't value lactobacillus in the gut. I don't have an opinion of lactobacillus in the gut. Taking lactobacillus probiotics does nothing to increase lactobacillus. They have transient effects that are useful. If you were arguing against taking - let's say black currant powder, which does increase lactobacillus almost exclusively, I would understand. But the fact that SPECIFIC lactobacillus strains have clear benefits for some conditions is extremely well documented. NOT because they increase lactobacillus in the gut - but because of their transient effects.
@@zhenka11230 Yes, the transient effects. Many probiotics are very powerful to reduce the overgrowth of pathogenic bacteria and promote the growth of good bacteria. They will never be part of your microbiome, and will leave when stopped. As I have mentioned before, a possible plan is to use these probiotics to calm the gut, and then add prebiotics in, perhaps Guy Daniel's protocols, or commercial prebiotic supplements such as Microbiome Labs makes. I think that Guy Daniel's food based protocol are valuable, but for people with severe problems....not so sure. Some persons with Crohn's disease have a gut that will always lean toward dysbiosis due to genetic problems. They likely need stronger intervention from probiotics to help police the gut and reduce the overgrowth of bad bacteria. That is just my opinion.
@@TheMicrobiomeExpertwhat happens with Carnivore diet? I only find relief from RAW Carnivore... Sometimes Raw HIGH FAT Carnivore... But if I go "cooked" for too long everything goes bad... Lots of severe ...no make that extreme food intolerances to nearly every plant except TINY amounts of frozen NOT fresh organic wild harvest NOT regular blueberries, a few ounces of Blueberry juice ... And some FRESH Lemon/Lime Juice... I do have mold & dust exposure over a lifetime that has increased over time ...only realized a few months ago...
Hi Dr, thanks for the video. I have a question. Doesn't the specific strain matter within the genus? E.g., I understand some strains of E coli such as Nissle 1917 can be beneficial for constipation etc. (But then I've also heard it's associated with colorectal cancer which is why I don't want to take mutaflor.) Likewise with lactobacillus, do the different strains within that genus not make a difference? Interested to hear your thoughts, thanks.
Yes, the strains within different species can have a variety of different attributes. You bring up probably the most stark example of this with E coli Nissle 1917. But that's a very specific strain from a WWI soldier and sold as a probiotic. In the literature I think I only saw it come up a couple of times in all of these years as a part of someone's microbiome. With the strains of Lactobacillus, you have to realize these are engineered for certain outcomes and to obtain a patent. When you engineer a bug to say produce more GABA for an outcome, what other aspects have you changed unknowingly. Most of the data is 16S, which almost never goes down to species, never mind strain. Some strains of F prausnitzii for example seem more health-promoting than others, but at this time, I don't think there is an abundance of data to have a certain level of certainty.
no. it can help in the short-term due to the avoidance of food-based offenders. But it is NOT a good long-term solution. I'll launch a video on this Friday.
I appreciate this content, it is an eye opener but would like to know further. 1. Has it been proven that these higher presence of lactobacillus in people who are unhealthy is the root cause of their illness? Or could it be is simply an association doesn't mean causation thing? 2. What were these unhealthy people eating? Because they have autoimmune or gut related issues, could it be that they were chugging down probiotic pills as a way to manage their issues and during the time they were tested for the studies you showed in your video, the presence of lactobacillus is high? 3. Could it be that when someone's having issues, somehow lactobacillus multiplies to help the person? Again is goes back to #1 - association doesn't mean causation. We don't know how these bugs multiply. It's similar to the case of higher LDL in people who have arterial plaque or had a stroke or heart attack - the presence of LDL may have been raised by the body to help the person cope with it rather than being there as the cause of their disease, still an ongoing debate. 4. What are these studies you are showing? Are they published studies? How long ago was it conducted, what are the sample sizes. What was the objective of such studies done? 5. Thorne sells lactobacillus probiotics - if the evidence was so compelling that lactobacillus is more of a foe than a friend, did you advice them during your tenure there?
I recommend you watch my video entitled, "Lactobacillus probiotics - A dumb idea in those who are dysbiotic". You're welcome to read all of the studies. Not hard to find. And I have had this philosophy for many years.
I am googling most of the studies Guy mentions and enjoy delving deeper. I have the same feeling that most of the ill people are prescribed/adviced with prebiotics, but it would make perfect sense with the Guy's findings - lactobacilus is overpopulated, not making enough space for more good ones. And for many years I was still puzzled why we should buy/eat so many probiotics full of lactobacilus, what's the deal? I smell business for hundreds of miles from this. Lacto and bifido is their only (aerobic) hope how to make money. But yeah, who knows all the details you asked, so many possibilities, correlactions. But the Guy's personal meta study is very interesting :)
@@frantisek_heca hi, thanks for joining in! Did you go thru the studies - what did you find? I am not good at reading studies, will have to find time for it. Sometimes they don't say what these participants are eating, maybe they could really be eating probiotic pills, fermented food, etc as a way to heal themselves. So lactobacillus increases but doesn't mean it is the cause of their illness. I suspect that part isn't clearly stated in the study, does it?
@@lebooshdiaries i didn't concentrate on this part in the studies. but logically - maybe it wasn't the cause, maybe it was highered in the last months before the study, who knows, but averages across multiple studies from Guy shows and gives me enough interest in this hypotheses that maybe the lacto is not so much needed for a healing and why not give a try in any of the Guy's protocols. I see logic in his way of thinking. If lactobacilus means higher lactate, it means bad ph, it means bad guys environment. Why not, who knows, how much time you want to spend finding different correlations. After some time, I don't care. I see no harm in trying any of his protocols and find the truth for myself.
@@frantisek_heca Which protocol will u be trying? Do share in a few months how it goes yea. I am interested to know, if you don't mind sharing. It would be so helpful.
youve listed several bacteria as important to keep high and i was reading a paper cited in pub med titled,"the influence of probiotics on the firmicuties/bacteroides ratio in treatment of obesity and inflammatory bowel disease," in this article it points to the ratio between the two that depending on which way it shifts causes a specific effect. these are 2 bacterias youve shown to be health promoters yet in the wrong ratio can lead to having bad consequences. youve given great info that isnt regularly shown on youtube but according to this article theres more to the microbiome puzzle than just increase the good bacterias. itd be great if you could address this and give more of a percentage regimen instead of just eat more probiotic type foods.
I don't mean to sound harsh here, and I know you don't know this, but the F:B ratio is moronic. I did a short video on this many months ago. It's an old theory, which is pointless. They are both phyla. It gives no indication of anything. You need to at least know the genera, if not the species preferably. There are good and bad players within each. Watch the video for a bit more guidance.
Hi I bought your protocol about SIBO. I followed the herbal antibiotics in the protocol for a week and had my prebiotic cocktail in following 2 weeks. The prebiotics just make me more bloated. Are taking digesive enzyme and tritophan necessary? Or the reason might come from jamine rice as I live in Vietnam where supplement choices are limited and I need to wait so long with a costy price to order oversea. I could barely speak English, but not proficient enough to communicate in an appointment. Can I text you?
Subscribed, greetings and thanks from a biologist living in Germany. Am growing yacon (Smallanthus sonchifolius) which is rich in inulin/fructooligosaccharides in my garden. Started different ways of fermentation of yacon tubers, even in Sauerkraut style. Plants have their own fascinating microbiomes: Some living in the rhizosphere and even inside the plant as endophytes, yes even inside things like apple seeds to promote the future seedling. Planning to produce joghurt with milk, yacon and specific bacteria. Am having a joghurt machine which controls temperature fluctuations. Please, do you have recommendations which bacteria to use? There is some inspiration from Dr. Davies book.
Ideally, you'd schedule a consultation with me. That's a combination where personal assistance would be best. You can do that and find the protocols as well, on my website, Themicrobiomeexpert.com
The problem is that your protocols for feeding the "health promoters" will also feed the pathogenic bacteria. The prebiotics are not selective. They can make your overall condition worse than before, and overload the gut and body with endotoxins. There is more to the equation than just taking prebiotics. Dr. Mercola has some fascinating thoughts in his new book about cellular health, that energy (carbs) are needed to maintain the gut in a non-oxygen state that the good bacteria need. But he says that feeding prebiotics (complex carbs) to people with dysbiosis will feed bad bacteria, causing more endotoxins, and reduce their energy. He has a protocol for dysbiotic persons where you start out slowly with non-prebiotic simple carbs to energize the body and add complex carbs in slowly over time. Starting out with simple carbs kills off the pathogenic bacteria and gives the gut a reset. So for dysbiotic folks, more intervention that just prebiotics is likely necessary.
You make a good point, and I bring this up multiple times in my videos. And if you screw around with low doses of say just one prebiotic, then you're pretty much spot on. But if you do it intelligently then, well that's how I can help so many people. For starters, watch my video on pH and get back to me.
@@TheMicrobiomeExpert I assume that you are talking about how lactobacillus species change the ph of the gut which harms the good bacteria? I do think you make a good point with that. This is why I am eager to learn what your thoughts are on soil based spore probiotics, since they likely don't change the ph in the gut. So are you saying that large amounts of precise prebiotic foods are going to make the difference with a dysbiotic gut and tip the scale to lean more to good bacteria?
exactly. You have to realize that although some of the bad guys do possess the enzymatic machinery to ferment what we're calling prebiotics (see my first slide in my pectin video for example) the bad guys generally prefer other substrates like amino acids. Likewise, some of the good guys can ferment amino acids (like Alistipes) the majority prefer the sugars locked behind bonds (prebiotics). You also have to realize that in a given pH, certain bacteria can outcompete other bacteria for the same substrate (pH video). So the goal is to (and I say this in about every video) drive a significant environmental shift in the microbiome to favor the good guys, through the use of properly blended and dosed prebiotics to suit the needs of the individual.
@@Stuart.Branson. Tell that to the people who got sick from the onions in McDonald's hamburgers recently. Bacteria can be deadly, and many oxygen loving bad bacteria in the gut are gram negative which means they produce endotoxins in the the gut and body. And about Mercola, I would have to agree that he is partial clown on some topics such as raw milk, but about some things I believe he is right and worth listening to. I have heard that the gut is about balance, that there will always be pathogenic bacteria in there, but it is important for them not to over grow.
How about a video on studies showing BENEFITS from probiotics like from fermented foods or from strains like L. Reuteri. Help us clarify WHY taking lactobacillus can sometimes seem to help. That’s not to say it’s a good thing to do long term, but more as a medicine/treatment modality. As you’ve clearly stated and showed the studies on, lactobacillus does not make up a significant portion of a healthy microbiome. Yet there are still the transient and modulating effects from temporary use which provide benefits. For example if you take some herb it will modulate the body to produce a certain beneficial effect, but after it is expelled from the body it’s gone, unlike vitamins and minerals which our bodies can incorporate and then raise our blood serum levels of the vitamins and minerals. Yet we still observe many health benefits from these transient molecules derived from herbs for the modulating effects they have on the body.
Here's the thing. You really don't need them. The true health-promotors don't exist as probiotics, but you can feed them. And get this, in the process, you'll feed the so-called probiotics as well. There is a mountain of evidence that inulin feeds bifidobacteria. So is you're taking inulin to feed the good guys, you're also feed Bif. Lacto like a number of the so-called prebiotics as well. So instead of buying an engineered product, just feed the ones you already have.
First, I'd like to thank you for great content. I'm impressed with your breakdown of prebiotic fibers. I didn't find so in depth analysis anywhere on internet. I'd like to know your opinion about few other prebiotic fibers you didn't cover yet on this channel: FOS, GOS, resins/gums (acacia gum, tragacanth gum, karaya gum, carrageenan gum, xanthan gum), raffinose, MOS, galactomannan, algal fibers (agarose, agaropectin, alginate), IMO, glucomannan, polydextrose.
Thanks for your comment. Be sure to like, subscribe and recommend to others. As for the prebiotics, I do mention GOS, FOS, XOS in some videos. I'm not a fan. Please see my SIBO presentation, and the new one which will come out Saturday. I will have more videos next year, on PHGG, psyllium and arabinogalactans (acacia & larch) . I can't do a video on every topic.
Watch it with probiotics and SIBO, especially if you have SIBO-C, because the bacteria will be stuck in your small intestine and make things worse. Make sure to have good motility and take the probiotics only in the morning, at least half an hour before breakfast and with lots of water. This makes sure they reach the large intestine.
Probiotics can sometimes make things worse before they get better because they are crowding out gram negative bacteria which creates some extra endotoxins for awhile.
Can confirm 100%, L. Reuteri is pure trash. I was making that yogurt for a few weeks and it made me a little bit sick. I felt better the day I stopped eating it. Note that my quality control was perfect so I know it was pure L. Reuteri and not a cross contamination mix.
Dr Mark Pimentel has concerns regarding the lactobacillus strains and probiotic s for people suffering from IBS/SIBO. Some worrying research on Ecoli Nissle 1917 probiotic emerging as well.
This is interesting but I have questions. First, could it be that the controls aren't as healthy as they should/could be? And second, could it be that the body in sick people is desperately trying to produce more lactobacillus for health, but aren't able to find the other bacteria that lactobacillus needs to function correctly?
the definition of control can vary between studies. however on general the researchers do have a decent definition. as for #2 - the body doesn't try to produce more of a given bacterium. Bacteria thrive given a certain environment.
I have watched many of your videos. I agree that probiotics and fermented foods haven't worked for me. In none of these presentations have I found an applicable approach to making things better for me.
I guess OVER-use of anything should be discouraged. However I stay firmly by my sauerkraut (home-made); at least 2 table-spoons every other day as a salad to my dinner plate brings me to a near orgasm, so I can't imagine it's bad for my body... Same goes for kefir, BUT NOT TOGETHER WITH SAUERKRAUT!!!
Kefir fixed my horrible histamine sensitivity. I couldnt eat any other fermented foods now i can. Its about type of bacteria in there, proper balance of vitamins B production. If i would drink enriched kefir my fingers would become blue. Because plain kefir has antihistamine bacteria while other fermented things have prohistamine ones but proper ones let body calm down and turn back off sensitivity genes.
I'm glad you had a good experience. We're talking averages here. and on average, what I mention is not good for those who are dysbiotic. and kefir is complicated by the dairy proteins which many people are highly reactive to.
on my website, Themicrobiomeexpert.com you can find a number of protocols supporting a wide variety of conditions. Also, you can schedule a consultation there as well.
Vaginal health is a bit of a different story. Please watch my video entitled, "Getting started in life with an optimal microbiome" for much more information.
Wow so all the folks I follow for peri/menopause issues all suggest fermented foods and I make a reuteri yogurt Actually love it. 😮🤔what is a lady to do???
the species of Bifidobacterium (except for B dentium) are generally health-promotors. Although the data is not as good as the health-promotors I always highlight. Also consider, Bifidobacterium is not a good idea in Parkinson's (and neither is Lactobacillus) because they are proven to degrade the drug L-dopa. See that video. Also, Bifidobacterium should probably not be used in active ulcerative colitis. Bifidobacterium also has one of the only two proven resistant starch degraders - B adolescentis. Which in my opinion could be the most beneficial of its species.
Seems like total nonsense to me. Different strains can have completely different effects. To categorize all lactobacillus as bad seems like an oversimplification since there is tons of data to show that some are incredibly beneficial. L. Reuteri for instance.
9:10 shocking! You're the best, Guy, thank you for this information. It takes me a while to get things in my thick noggin, now let's talk politics and religion! ;)
bitte. Mein deutsch ist schrecklich jetzt, so I'll reply in english. please like, subscribe and let others know that this channel exists. It's still new.
I am? I thought I was just providing valuable information that people aren't finding anywhere else. If that's abusive, well, I don't have a protocol for being overly sensitive.
@@TheMicrobiomeExpert You’re not being abusive at all. It’s just a whole new concept to grasp for people who have just found you. I appreciate your repetition of concepts as I’m having to rethink what I’ve been taught for many years.
This video gives a good view of where you are coming from. I have only seen 3 or 4 of your previous presentation. It has taken time for me to understand some of your scientific language. Thanks.
You're welcome. Feel free to recommend the channel to friends.
Top Foods for Supporting Beneficial Gut Bacteria:
Oats (rich in beta-glucan fiber, supports various bacteria like Faecalibacterium and Roseburia)
Garlic (high in inulin and prebiotic fibers)
Onions (rich in inulin, supports a wide range of beneficial bacteria)
Bananas (especially green bananas for resistant starch)
Barley (beta-glucan fiber and resistant starch content)
Apples (high in pectin, supports multiple bacteria)
Flaxseeds (fiber-rich and supports butyrate-producing bacteria)
Legumes (beans, lentils; high in fiber and supports gut diversity)
Chicory Root (rich in inulin, great for prebiotic support)
Whole Grains (general category, like whole wheat and rye)
Leafy Greens (spinach, kale; polyphenol-rich and supports beneficial bacteria)
Berries (blueberries, raspberries; polyphenols and fiber support gut health)
Dark Chocolate (polyphenol-rich, beneficial for various bacteria)
Yogurt (live cultures support multiple beneficial bacteria directly)
Kefir (fermented milk drink, high in probiotics)
Broccoli and Cauliflower (fiber-rich, supports fiber-digesting bacteria)
Pomegranate (polyphenols support specific beneficial bacteria)
Chia Seeds (fiber-rich and supports gut regularity)
Green Tea (polyphenols help beneficial bacteria thrive)
Cranberries (polyphenols and prebiotic benefits)
Jerusalem Artichokes (high in inulin)
Cooked and Cooled Potatoes (for resistant starch content)
Kimchi and Sauerkraut (fermented vegetables with live cultures)
Bran (especially wheat or oat bran; rich in fiber)
Red Wine (polyphenols in moderation, supports gut bacteria)
thanks for the input
@TheMicrobiomeExpert but do you agree with him?
All of these high fodmap foods would overwhelm someone with dysbiosis.
Oats and banana? insanity
mostly yes, but I'd have a number of comments. I didn't want to write another book. I've been replying to comments from this video pretty much all day.
Why did l.rueteri cure my eczema?
I went off the lacto probiotics and take just a bifido probiotic as you advised and my gut is so calm now
Glad to be of help. Please let others know about the channel.
@@TheMicrobiomeExpert But you said that lactic acid-producing probiotics are a bad idea. At least I thought that's what you said. Bifido strains are lactic acid producers, so why would you approve of them.
Bifido is not exactly a variation of lb acidulus.lactobacillus@@radicalveg00
Can you please share the product.
Lacto is prolific for one. But there are other lacto-producing species, like species from Streptococcus, known pathogens. So it's the combination of lactate accumulation, thriving in various pHs (the good guys thrive within roughly 5.5-6.5), thriving with the use of antibiotics and PPIs (which Lacto and Strepto do but Bifido does now) and the ability to become an opportunisitic pathogen.
As of 1.3 years ago I now have full severe Vasculitis & Myositis. And a third totally unknown.
When I first (& now) took Probiotics, saurkraut I totally felt it. Deeply. Minimum 30 billion, better @ 50 billion.
I have an advice for you. Some people will not understand you, and some will misunderstand(even on purpose). Some will purposefully ignore the context and say things like “you said so bla bla” even without watching the whole video. You need to understand that you can not deal with these kind of people by answering them. For your own health, stop explaining to everybody. There are many people that they actually have no idea what they are talking about.
how timely your comment is
are you familiar with bacilis subtilis from Japanese fermented natto and do you have any data on that regarding its effect on the microbiome?
Thanks for bringing up B.Subtilis. I failed trying to get the spores to work in soybeans, so I fermented raw dairy. It does well in milk but I don’t know how good it actually is as a prebiotic. It tastes fine. But not as good as Kefir. Any thoughts?
@@stephenduplantier2151 Combine lactobacillus with subtilis then the texture and taste is good. You need the lactic acid from lactobacillus. I like fermentum me3 + b subtilis hu58 yogurt. For soybeans you need to buy specifically the b subtilis natto strain not regular b subtilis.
Hello Dr, your channel has been a real eye openor! I wanted some advice, i have a badly dysbiotic gut and every time i eat healthy foods i become extremely bloated, i did microbiome testing and it showed my bacteria was out of balance big time, you advise to not go with probiotics, what can i do to turn things around? Any advice would be much appreciated, thanks in advance!
You're welcome to schedule a consultation with me. We'll spend an hour talking, and I learn all I need to know to help you.
We love this discussion!
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What are your credentials? I didn't see them on your website.
You can go to my Linkedin profile where I have over 17,000 followers.
I didn't see fermented foods addressed. Kimchi, sauerkraut, miso, natto, tempeh, Kefir and cheeses like parmesan reggiano (and maybe Gouda, Emmental, Gruyere, Roqueforte, especially those made with raw milk) have all been shown to have beneficial effects on the gut microbiome, at least in small limited studies, and the research wasn't funded by entities with a conflict of interest either. If most the beneficial bacterial in the gut cannot survive outside of the gut, where do they come from?
Again, if you are healthy, and fermented foods make you happy, then enjoy them in moderation. I'm just presenting the data across the board. And on average, if you are dysbiotic, then they can be a bad idea, and some a very bad idea. For example, milk proteins are HIGHLY problematic in the dysbiotic. So with say kefir from cows milk, you're introducing dairy proteins, Lactobacillus and other bacteria possibly on top of SIBO and lactate. It's a TERRIBLE combination. It may help in some people, but on average, it's a very bad idea.
@@TheMicrobiomeExpert my understanding is that fermented dairy is where there’s the most evidence for benefit, and to some extent soybeans too. Maybe it’s not good for dysbiosis but high amounts of inulin, resistant starch and most prebiotic fibers championed here have been shown to increase inflammation in a dysbiotic gut too. There is at least one A2/A2 kefir product out there for those who don’t like the A1 milk protein for whatever reason, but if you follow the science as claimed then a casein allergy is pretty rare, less than 1% of the population.
There are a number of proteins (epitopes) in dairy of concern. A2 is a better option. The prebiotics introduction is a long story, but I address it in my videos. It has to be done properly.
I don't know if you look at actual studies instead of correlational speculation, a lot of strains of lactobacillus have tons of well researched positive effects. E.g l rhamnosus gg, fermentum me3, reutri DSM 17938. I think you are a smart guy but surprisingly simplistic when it comes to this topic. The reason you are the only one saying lactobacillus are bad, is because it is contrary to all the evidence of trials involving the well-studied strains. I see your point but you are misleading the audience by omission.
Also since probiotics don't colonize who the hell cares? All we care about is what happens when people take a certain strain of lactobacillus probiotic and there is no shortage of those studies proving you wrong. I really don't understand what there is to even discuss.
Hi, I agree reuteri is fantastic for optimal health! N = 1 proves it to me!
Please see my simplistic reply to RandomHu above. So, in your vast experience, you value lactobacillus and lactate in the gut more than butyrate-producers and butyrate? I think you need to read the original research and not what the companies who sell these products want you to see.
@@TheMicrobiomeExpert
I don't value lactobacillus in the gut. I don't have an opinion of lactobacillus in the gut. Taking lactobacillus probiotics does nothing to increase lactobacillus. They have transient effects that are useful. If you were arguing against taking - let's say black currant powder, which does increase lactobacillus almost exclusively, I would understand.
But the fact that SPECIFIC lactobacillus strains have clear benefits for some conditions is extremely well documented. NOT because they increase lactobacillus in the gut - but because of their transient effects.
@@zhenka11230 Yes, the transient effects. Many probiotics are very powerful to reduce the overgrowth of pathogenic bacteria and promote the growth of good bacteria. They will never be part of your microbiome, and will leave when stopped. As I have mentioned before, a possible plan is to use these probiotics to calm the gut, and then add prebiotics in, perhaps Guy Daniel's protocols, or commercial prebiotic supplements such as Microbiome Labs makes. I think that Guy Daniel's food based protocol are valuable, but for people with severe problems....not so sure. Some persons with Crohn's disease have a gut that will always lean toward dysbiosis due to genetic problems. They likely need stronger intervention from probiotics to help police the gut and reduce the overgrowth of bad bacteria. That is just my opinion.
@@TheMicrobiomeExpertwhat happens with Carnivore diet? I only find relief from RAW Carnivore... Sometimes Raw HIGH FAT Carnivore... But if I go "cooked" for too long everything goes bad... Lots of severe ...no make that extreme food intolerances to nearly every plant except TINY amounts of frozen NOT fresh organic wild harvest NOT regular blueberries, a few ounces of Blueberry juice ... And some FRESH Lemon/Lime Juice...
I do have mold & dust exposure over a lifetime that has increased over time ...only realized a few months ago...
Hi Dr, thanks for the video. I have a question. Doesn't the specific strain matter within the genus? E.g., I understand some strains of E coli such as Nissle 1917 can be beneficial for constipation etc. (But then I've also heard it's associated with colorectal cancer which is why I don't want to take mutaflor.)
Likewise with lactobacillus, do the different strains within that genus not make a difference? Interested to hear your thoughts, thanks.
Yes, the strains within different species can have a variety of different attributes. You bring up probably the most stark example of this with E coli Nissle 1917. But that's a very specific strain from a WWI soldier and sold as a probiotic. In the literature I think I only saw it come up a couple of times in all of these years as a part of someone's microbiome. With the strains of Lactobacillus, you have to realize these are engineered for certain outcomes and to obtain a patent. When you engineer a bug to say produce more GABA for an outcome, what other aspects have you changed unknowingly. Most of the data is 16S, which almost never goes down to species, never mind strain. Some strains of F prausnitzii for example seem more health-promoting than others, but at this time, I don't think there is an abundance of data to have a certain level of certainty.
Well said! Is this the reason, that carnivore diät is beneficial for ulcerative colitis?
no. it can help in the short-term due to the avoidance of food-based offenders. But it is NOT a good long-term solution. I'll launch a video on this Friday.
Would love a discussion with you and Dr. Davis.
Set it up.
@@TheMicrobiomeExpert I would if I knew Dr. Davis personally. I can leave a comment on his channel.
I appreciate this content, it is an eye opener but would like to know further.
1. Has it been proven that these higher presence of lactobacillus in people who are unhealthy is the root cause of their illness? Or could it be is simply an association doesn't mean causation thing?
2. What were these unhealthy people eating? Because they have autoimmune or gut related issues, could it be that they were chugging down probiotic pills as a way to manage their issues and during the time they were tested for the studies you showed in your video, the presence of lactobacillus is high?
3. Could it be that when someone's having issues, somehow lactobacillus multiplies to help the person? Again is goes back to #1 - association doesn't mean causation. We don't know how these bugs multiply. It's similar to the case of higher LDL in people who have arterial plaque or had a stroke or heart attack - the presence of LDL may have been raised by the body to help the person cope with it rather than being there as the cause of their disease, still an ongoing debate.
4. What are these studies you are showing? Are they published studies? How long ago was it conducted, what are the sample sizes. What was the objective of such studies done?
5. Thorne sells lactobacillus probiotics - if the evidence was so compelling that lactobacillus is more of a foe than a friend, did you advice them during your tenure there?
I recommend you watch my video entitled, "Lactobacillus probiotics - A dumb idea in those who are dysbiotic". You're welcome to read all of the studies. Not hard to find. And I have had this philosophy for many years.
I am googling most of the studies Guy mentions and enjoy delving deeper. I have the same feeling that most of the ill people are prescribed/adviced with prebiotics, but it would make perfect sense with the Guy's findings - lactobacilus is overpopulated, not making enough space for more good ones.
And for many years I was still puzzled why we should buy/eat so many probiotics full of lactobacilus, what's the deal? I smell business for hundreds of miles from this. Lacto and bifido is their only (aerobic) hope how to make money.
But yeah, who knows all the details you asked, so many possibilities, correlactions. But the Guy's personal meta study is very interesting :)
@@frantisek_heca hi, thanks for joining in! Did you go thru the studies - what did you find? I am not good at reading studies, will have to find time for it. Sometimes they don't say what these participants are eating, maybe they could really be eating probiotic pills, fermented food, etc as a way to heal themselves. So lactobacillus increases but doesn't mean it is the cause of their illness. I suspect that part isn't clearly stated in the study, does it?
@@lebooshdiaries i didn't concentrate on this part in the studies. but logically - maybe it wasn't the cause, maybe it was highered in the last months before the study, who knows, but averages across multiple studies from Guy shows and gives me enough interest in this hypotheses that maybe the lacto is not so much needed for a healing and why not give a try in any of the Guy's protocols. I see logic in his way of thinking. If lactobacilus means higher lactate, it means bad ph, it means bad guys environment. Why not, who knows, how much time you want to spend finding different correlations. After some time, I don't care. I see no harm in trying any of his protocols and find the truth for myself.
@@frantisek_heca Which protocol will u be trying? Do share in a few months how it goes yea. I am interested to know, if you don't mind sharing. It would be so helpful.
youve listed several bacteria as important to keep high and i was reading a paper cited in pub med titled,"the influence of probiotics on the firmicuties/bacteroides ratio in treatment of obesity and inflammatory bowel disease," in this article it points to the ratio between the two that depending on which way it shifts causes a specific effect. these are 2 bacterias youve shown to be health promoters yet in the wrong ratio can lead to having bad consequences. youve given great info that isnt regularly shown on youtube but according to this article theres more to the microbiome puzzle than just increase the good bacterias. itd be great if you could address this and give more of a percentage regimen instead of just eat more probiotic type foods.
I don't mean to sound harsh here, and I know you don't know this, but the F:B ratio is moronic. I did a short video on this many months ago. It's an old theory, which is pointless. They are both phyla. It gives no indication of anything. You need to at least know the genera, if not the species preferably. There are good and bad players within each. Watch the video for a bit more guidance.
Hi I bought your protocol about SIBO. I followed the herbal antibiotics in the protocol for a week and had my prebiotic cocktail in following 2 weeks. The prebiotics just make me more bloated. Are taking digesive enzyme and tritophan necessary? Or the reason might come from jamine rice as I live in Vietnam where supplement choices are limited and I need to wait so long with a costy price to order oversea. I could barely speak English, but not proficient enough to communicate in an appointment. Can I text you?
You should email me on my website. Themicrobiomeexpert.com
@@TheMicrobiomeExpertI just send you!!
Subscribed, greetings and thanks from a biologist living in Germany.
Am growing yacon (Smallanthus sonchifolius) which is rich in inulin/fructooligosaccharides in my garden. Started different ways of fermentation of yacon tubers, even in Sauerkraut style. Plants have their own fascinating microbiomes: Some living in the rhizosphere and even inside the plant as endophytes, yes even inside things like apple seeds to promote the future seedling.
Planning to produce joghurt with milk, yacon and specific bacteria. Am having a joghurt machine which controls temperature fluctuations. Please, do you have recommendations which bacteria to use? There is some inspiration from Dr. Davies book.
I don't. I'm not exactly an advocate for fermented foods. Es tut mir leid.
Does it mean we should not also drink ACV? ACV has some lactobacillus in it Do you have any protocols for eczema?
you'd be looking for my autoimmune protocol.
What protocol are you suppose to do if you have multiple gut problems like, sibo and clolitis?
Ideally, you'd schedule a consultation with me. That's a combination where personal assistance would be best. You can do that and find the protocols as well, on my website, Themicrobiomeexpert.com
The problem is that your protocols for feeding the "health promoters" will also feed the pathogenic bacteria. The prebiotics are not selective. They can make your overall condition worse than before, and overload the gut and body with endotoxins. There is more to the equation than just taking prebiotics. Dr. Mercola has some fascinating thoughts in his new book about cellular health, that energy (carbs) are needed to maintain the gut in a non-oxygen state that the good bacteria need. But he says that feeding prebiotics (complex carbs) to people with dysbiosis will feed bad bacteria, causing more endotoxins, and reduce their energy. He has a protocol for dysbiotic persons where you start out slowly with non-prebiotic simple carbs to energize the body and add complex carbs in slowly over time. Starting out with simple carbs kills off the pathogenic bacteria and gives the gut a reset. So for dysbiotic folks, more intervention that just prebiotics is likely necessary.
You make a good point, and I bring this up multiple times in my videos. And if you screw around with low doses of say just one prebiotic, then you're pretty much spot on. But if you do it intelligently then, well that's how I can help so many people. For starters, watch my video on pH and get back to me.
@@TheMicrobiomeExpert I assume that you are talking about how lactobacillus species change the ph of the gut which harms the good bacteria? I do think you make a good point with that. This is why I am eager to learn what your thoughts are on soil based spore probiotics, since they likely don't change the ph in the gut. So are you saying that large amounts of precise prebiotic foods are going to make the difference with a dysbiotic gut and tip the scale to lean more to good bacteria?
exactly. You have to realize that although some of the bad guys do possess the enzymatic machinery to ferment what we're calling prebiotics (see my first slide in my pectin video for example) the bad guys generally prefer other substrates like amino acids. Likewise, some of the good guys can ferment amino acids (like Alistipes) the majority prefer the sugars locked behind bonds (prebiotics). You also have to realize that in a given pH, certain bacteria can outcompete other bacteria for the same substrate (pH video). So the goal is to (and I say this in about every video) drive a significant environmental shift in the microbiome to favor the good guys, through the use of properly blended and dosed prebiotics to suit the needs of the individual.
There's no such thing as "Pathogenic bacteria". Go study actual physiology.
Mercola is a total clown.
@@Stuart.Branson. Tell that to the people who got sick from the onions in McDonald's hamburgers recently. Bacteria can be deadly, and many oxygen loving bad bacteria in the gut are gram negative which means they produce endotoxins in the the gut and body. And about Mercola, I would have to agree that he is partial clown on some topics such as raw milk, but about some things I believe he is right and worth listening to. I have heard that the gut is about balance, that there will always be pathogenic bacteria in there, but it is important for them not to over grow.
How about a video on studies showing BENEFITS from probiotics like from fermented foods or from strains like L. Reuteri. Help us clarify WHY taking lactobacillus can sometimes seem to help. That’s not to say it’s a good thing to do long term, but more as a medicine/treatment modality.
As you’ve clearly stated and showed the studies on, lactobacillus does not make up a significant portion of a healthy microbiome. Yet there are still the transient and modulating effects from temporary use which provide benefits. For example if you take some herb it will modulate the body to produce a certain beneficial effect, but after it is expelled from the body it’s gone, unlike vitamins and minerals which our bodies can incorporate and then raise our blood serum levels of the vitamins and minerals. Yet we still observe many health benefits from these transient molecules derived from herbs for the modulating effects they have on the body.
Here's the thing. You really don't need them. The true health-promotors don't exist as probiotics, but you can feed them. And get this, in the process, you'll feed the so-called probiotics as well. There is a mountain of evidence that inulin feeds bifidobacteria. So is you're taking inulin to feed the good guys, you're also feed Bif. Lacto like a number of the so-called prebiotics as well. So instead of buying an engineered product, just feed the ones you already have.
First, I'd like to thank you for great content. I'm impressed with your breakdown of prebiotic fibers. I didn't find so in depth analysis anywhere on internet. I'd like to know your opinion about few other prebiotic fibers you didn't cover yet on this channel: FOS, GOS, resins/gums (acacia gum, tragacanth gum, karaya gum, carrageenan gum, xanthan gum), raffinose, MOS, galactomannan, algal fibers (agarose, agaropectin, alginate), IMO, glucomannan, polydextrose.
Thanks for your comment. Be sure to like, subscribe and recommend to others. As for the prebiotics, I do mention GOS, FOS, XOS in some videos. I'm not a fan. Please see my SIBO presentation, and the new one which will come out Saturday. I will have more videos next year, on PHGG, psyllium and arabinogalactans (acacia & larch) . I can't do a video on every topic.
I'm sold, I have bloating, perhaps SIBO, and probiotics make my condition worse, the problem I have now is how to avoid them.
You're welcome to schedule a consultation or get a protocol from my website. Themicrobiomeexpert.com
Watch it with probiotics and SIBO, especially if you have SIBO-C, because the bacteria will be stuck in your small intestine and make things worse. Make sure to have good motility and take the probiotics only in the morning, at least half an hour before breakfast and with lots of water. This makes sure they reach the large intestine.
Probiotics can sometimes make things worse before they get better because they are crowding out gram negative bacteria which creates some extra endotoxins for awhile.
So what do you suggest we do for optimal health? What should we eat?
I have a number of popular videos on prebiotics. Inulin, Pectin. Etc I talk about that to a degree there.
Can confirm 100%, L. Reuteri is pure trash. I was making that yogurt for a few weeks and it made me a little bit sick. I felt better the day I stopped eating it. Note that my quality control was perfect so I know it was pure L. Reuteri and not a cross contamination mix.
Thanks for your contribution. I hear these things all of the time from the people with whom I have consultations.
Thanks!
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What do you think about sodium butyrate as a supplement?
and also glutamine?
I recommend them in certain protocols.
Dr Mark Pimentel has concerns regarding the lactobacillus strains and probiotic s for people suffering from IBS/SIBO. Some worrying research on Ecoli Nissle 1917 probiotic emerging as well.
Thanks for the contribution
Is sleeping late harmful to the microbiota? Maybe u can make a video about sleep and microbiota.
Not to my knowledge. I have many videos planned, and that's not one of them. Sorry
Do I see a product placement in future videos?
thanks for your contribution
thank you, bro keeps bringing the receipts :)
thank you
How to obtain these health promoting species?? I have cancer and need to correct my microbiome , my immune count is very low after stoppage of chemo😢
You can feed them and promote their abundance. Feel free to schedule a consultation with me at my website. Themicrobiomeexpert.com
This is interesting but I have questions. First, could it be that the controls aren't as healthy as they should/could be? And second, could it be that the body in sick people is desperately trying to produce more lactobacillus for health, but aren't able to find the other bacteria that lactobacillus needs to function correctly?
the definition of control can vary between studies. however on general the researchers do have a decent definition. as for #2 - the body doesn't try to produce more of a given bacterium. Bacteria thrive given a certain environment.
@@TheMicrobiomeExpert As for number 2, yes, that makes sense, since they need food. Thank you.
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Which one of your videos has your breakfast list in it?
i believe the cover photo has shots of oatmeal ingredients
Can you make a video about s.boulardii?
sorry, I won't be. It's completely unnecessary
@@TheMicrobiomeExpertwhy? I’m taking it for severe constipation
I have watched many of your videos. I agree that probiotics and fermented foods haven't worked for me. In none of these presentations have I found an applicable approach to making things better for me.
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Have you ever looked at the recent studies on glioblastoma and the gut microbiome? I have GBM; that's why I'm interested.
I can't say that I have, sorry
I guess OVER-use of anything should be discouraged. However I stay firmly by my sauerkraut (home-made); at least 2 table-spoons every other day as a salad to my dinner plate brings me to a near orgasm, so I can't imagine it's bad for my body... Same goes for kefir, BUT NOT TOGETHER WITH SAUERKRAUT!!!
thanks for your contribution. again, if the microbiome is a heathy one - enjoy in moderation if that makes you happy, which is obviously the case.
Kefir fixed my horrible histamine sensitivity. I couldnt eat any other fermented foods now i can.
Its about type of bacteria in there, proper balance of vitamins B production.
If i would drink enriched kefir my fingers would become blue. Because plain kefir has antihistamine bacteria while other fermented things have prohistamine ones
but proper ones let body calm down and turn back off sensitivity genes.
I'm glad you had a good experience. We're talking averages here. and on average, what I mention is not good for those who are dysbiotic. and kefir is complicated by the dairy proteins which many people are highly reactive to.
How did you tolerate kefir with histamine intolerance? Which one did you use?
Alternative?
to probiotics? Prebiotics. Watch my videos and you'll understand.
Awesome, thank you
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Yes but how do we fix our guts?
on my website, Themicrobiomeexpert.com you can find a number of protocols supporting a wide variety of conditions. Also, you can schedule a consultation there as well.
I like the information, what is the connection everyone tells specific Lactobacillus strain for vaginal health and recurrent UTl?
Vaginal health is a bit of a different story. Please watch my video entitled, "Getting started in life with an optimal microbiome" for much more information.
This is an angry comment. My lactobacillus made me do it!
You're off the hook then.
Wow so all the folks I follow for peri/menopause issues all suggest fermented foods and I make a reuteri yogurt Actually love it. 😮🤔what is a lady to do???
If you are healthy, then enjoy your fermented foods in moderation. They are not a good choice for the dysbiotic, on average.
What abt akermansia
Depends on your condition. I have a whole video dedicated to A muciniphila. Check in out.
I'm confused. Is Guy endorsing Bifido species or is he saying they're bad but not as bad as Lactobacillus species?
the species of Bifidobacterium (except for B dentium) are generally health-promotors. Although the data is not as good as the health-promotors I always highlight. Also consider, Bifidobacterium is not a good idea in Parkinson's (and neither is Lactobacillus) because they are proven to degrade the drug L-dopa. See that video. Also, Bifidobacterium should probably not be used in active ulcerative colitis. Bifidobacterium also has one of the only two proven resistant starch degraders - B adolescentis. Which in my opinion could be the most beneficial of its species.
@@TheMicrobiomeExpert Thank you for clarifying!
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Seems like total nonsense to me. Different strains can have completely different effects. To categorize all lactobacillus as bad seems like an oversimplification since there is tons of data to show that some are incredibly beneficial. L. Reuteri for instance.
watch some more videos, and perhaps it will make more sense to you
Makes good sense.
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Sachromyleces boulardii?
completely unnecessary, and especially bad for Crohn's.
9:10 shocking! You're the best, Guy, thank you for this information. It takes me a while to get things in my thick noggin, now let's talk politics and religion! ;)
hahaha
Danke!
bitte. Mein deutsch ist schrecklich jetzt, so I'll reply in english. please like, subscribe and let others know that this channel exists. It's still new.
Guy needs to be more popular!
Influence people in a good way
my smallish screen so l can not read much of those small letters
You can pull any of the papers at PubMed, or other sources
I need a fecal transplant
I have a video on that you should watch.
Hahaha!
Not to be disrespectful
But timely your comment!
This guy is abusive toward his audience
I am? I thought I was just providing valuable information that people aren't finding anywhere else. If that's abusive, well, I don't have a protocol for being overly sensitive.
@@TheMicrobiomeExpert You’re not being abusive at all. It’s just a whole new concept to grasp for people who have just found you. I appreciate your repetition of concepts as I’m having to rethink what I’ve been taught for many years.