One major flaw with the 2ZZ-GE
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Here I show you one major flaw the 2zzge engine has
10/8/23
Engine is still running with a 1ZZ oil pan, this is my daily driver, I’ve taken this car to the track 5 different times with no oil starvation issues. Car currently has 275k miles and is chugging along.
From what I understand the 2ZZ has a stud girdle and some kind of windage under the crank throws. The bottom of the engine has a lot of oil control, so I think the engineers thought they didn’t need it because of that!
great info thanks for the comment
Very interesting!
I took a left turn and my engine started knocking and then I took another left turn the next day and it just blew up.. I shoulda listened to Scotty killmore ... “why you shouldn’t ever drive your car”
Turns out he was right
In all seriousness though, so long as you keep your oil levels in range and use the correct viscosity you’ll be fine..
your friend probably didn’t check his oil and let it get low or has other issues that lead to knocking.
Also, instead of using a steel razor on your aluminum mating surface, I’d just recommend a good set of nitrile gloves and some acetone or MEK. And to prevent sealing issues from the pan id also scuff the mating surface of the pan to get a better adhesion on that black paint
been using a razor blade every single time ive done oil pans with no future oil leaks. Ill keep that in mind tho and give it a shot.
U were low on oil
Jesse Sanden it was sarcasm bud
I’m pretty sure he turned right on that accord haha And guess what he didn’t turn into a moving BOMB🤣
There's oem baffling between the oil pickup on the 2zz. If you're doing a lot of time at the track, then install a better baffled pan. I've never had any issues with the oem oil pump and I've owned two XRSs. That issue is linked to driver error with mis-shifts. I had the notorious 3rd gear synchro prob on my first XRS, but not with the 2nd XRS.
It’s not a baffle, that is called a windage tray.
Actually it wasn't driver error. I had the 2000 model and went thru two engines before Toyota finally put what they called was a shift kit on the six speed. Something to do with the syncro's. After that, it never happened again. I was going from 3rd to 4th gear both times when it happened. And I WAS going straight down into fourth, but second gear was engaging. I've never had anything but a standard shift. And I know how to drive one. I was hitting fourth, but it was going into 2nd. But it only happened when I was racing and into high RPM's. If it was driver error, Toyota would not have fixed it for free both times. Warranty doesn't cover driver error
@@2zzlow same shit niggah, your wrong AF btw
@@Bobaganush26 I'm sorta having this issue in my 06 Matrix XRS when I try to shift into a lower gear in order to pick up speed again it's not shifting till I'm at a lower RPM and the car isn't moving at faster pace also when I try to up shift into second gear some times it sticks and it won't go into second can you tell me what might be the caused for this problem
@@static_Tricolor_camry Have you ran the hell out of it? I mean, have you raced it hard and shifted it hard alot
Because Toyota would remove the shelved sump for no reason...WRONG, READ THE WORKSHOP MANUAL THEY DID IT FOR A REASON, SO OIL FLOW RETURNS TO THE BASE IF THE SUMP FAST. YOU DON'T KNOW SO YOU MAKE AN ASSUMPTION THAT'S INCORRECT. Incorrect servicing is the main problem and low oil lever unless you corner over 1g
Yamaha did not design this entire engine it was just the heads the exact same as 3sge beams.
Glad to know, I simply grabbed what I read online. Thanks!
Yamaha had designed all Toyota heads with the "g" designation. Except for the 7mgte and the 7mge. Those were designed in house by Toyota.
@@stirch9 yup.. same with the 4a"g"e
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Traslate this article to english, this racing team discover the real oil problem of this engine, and literaly is the head.that is way big than 1zz, and the oil return from head to oil pan, is too slow, they blow like 5 or 6 engine to know the real cause.
@@stirch9 2jz-ge/gte wasnt yamaha, the 1jz-ge/gte was tho
Quick tip, i increased the oil capacity by welding a portion of the oil pan making it 6 litters instead of 5 and yes i'm talking about the stock one.
I gotta get better at the welder then lol
Where exactly did you weld and replace?
No you didn't
I know a guy who blew up is 2zz in high revolution and turning right on a race track and blew up his engine! He bought another 7-liter oil pan at Monkey Wrench. Now he's fine...
thats good
I got a baffled oil pan from monkey wrench racing for my 2003 Celica GTS, it’s nice
Hello 2zzlow. Great vid :) the optimum oil pan for the 2zz is a properly baffled sump made by elise parts. The 1zz pandoesnt really have a baffle as such, what you can see on the pan is called a windage tray. When redesigning the engine for higher rpms, the windage tray was causing problems with oil return, but also power loss due to higher pressure in the sump from the higher rpms the 2zz was designed for, so they took it out. If regularly thrashing/tracking a 2zz engine, its best to put a baffled sump but one without a windage tray. The moroso has a baffles, but also a windage tray, the eliseparts sump only has baffles, is brilliant, with neodinium magent to catch metal crap in the oil, and a super low friction non-stick to help the oil drain back down to the pickup quicker.
Also, cant remember where, but saw someone comment that yamaha only redisgned the head. Not strictly accurate as the 2zz was given forged conrods as standard to cope with the higher power and rpms, a yamaha modification :)
Thanks for the info
Thank you for the tip! I'll be going for the elise spares baffled sump! Cheaper too :D
great info man
"the 1zz oil pan goes right on"
and the birds agree!!
yes indeed lol
I wish I had atleast a 1zz to go in my 91 Corolla..because this 4afe is anemic!!
@@johnfloyd2551 I'm with ya.
@@johnfloyd2551 4age swap it!
Interesting as about the sumps. I have done 40,000km in my 2zzge drive it hard has never let me down but I change oil every 5k. I brought another one and was 100km into my journey home and it started making a noise. I'm rebuilding it at the moment.
Great point!
Going by the new celica forums, the oil pan issue with the 2ZZ has been completely blown out of proportion. It's good up to 1G for force and even then that has to be SUSTAINED.
It's really a non issue for street.
It's not out of proportion as long as the problem exists. Some of us actually buy it to drive it hard... I wasn't aware of this problem until I bought one and broke it the very next day. Now rebuilt with a proper Moroso it works just fine. 👌
I just wish I had the information earlier, would have been great for my wallet
@@TheTigerPGM LOL how the hell did you break it in one day? Had to be extreme track. Yeah Moroso is a massive upgrade, but the cost is pretty extreme for something that isn't needed normally. My GT-S is just an auto anyway lol, on M-Mode hitting lift up to 8K RPM (for some reason it doesn't seem to go past that) and switching to 2nd it plummets to probably 5Kish RPM, so I can see why the six-speed manual would be desirable to keep lift going. Car is kind of a dog in 3rd gear at cruising speeds. I absolutely love her though.
I’m at 275k miles with my 1zz oil pan and 5 track days. Proving everyone wrong 🤷🏽♂️
My Toyota has done this at high rev and I only got the oil pressure light and no damage. But it had a blocked oil sump and was a pain in the ass to clean out, but it’s still in service with over 200k miles- 00 celica gts 6 speed. Thanks
Read a Toyota report regarding the 2zz oil pan vs 1zz baffle. Turns out under testing they decided to not use a baffle as this had a negative affect on the oil returning to the pan base at high revs. Essentially the baffle slows down oil drainage into the pan...
However never heard anyone complain after swapping to a 1zz plan like I'm doing. Great video by the way =)
They should have redesigned the baffle then. I suspect the engine may use more oil at high rpm if baffle is fitted. My b16a2 Honda engine used more oil after fitting baffles... may have been a coincidence though
thanks bro
All of the fatal blows have a 1zz pan, you just need to ask people
@@anunknowndudewhat do you mean? I assume you wanted to write 1zz and not ‚qzz‘ Pan.
@@DeepRacer-zr4yp yeah, that was a typo.
The 1zz pan has a windage tray, often people think that the 2zz doesn't have that because there is nothing in the pan itself.
The baffling plates in the 2zz are in the block, not in the pan, that helps the oil to reach sooner the oil pick up surroundings so it doesnt starve. So that's a common mistake.
What do people do? Slap a 1zz pan in the 2zz, but with that windage tray, what you're doing is actually preventing the oil from reaching the oil pick up surroundings as quickly.
So this means the 1zz pan in the 2zz is doing more harm than good. Add more than 1 lateral G and you have a perfect storm that leads to disaster, almost every time the 1zz pan is involved. There are exceptions though
Good advice. This will be one of my next maintenance items to carry out. Toyota engineers are good at what they do, but they’re still human beings. Since they screwed up with the early lift bolt designs, I’m not surprised that there are other design flaws as well. I don’t track my car, but I want to have a piece of mind if I ever run into a tight corner at higher speeds. Plus enough drivers have run into these issues with the 2zz, so it’s a real problem.
from the looks of that dipstick you can overfill the oil by a fair bit and its still nowhere near the crank.
also its not a baffled sump. its has a windage tray in it. for 2zz it probably doesnt allow oil to drain back to sump fast enough.
the windage tray is on the block for both 1zz and 2zz. The 1zz oil pan has that tray on the oil pan so what would you call that then?cant be 2 windage trays
@@2zzlow well its not a baffled sump since it doesnt have trap doors. are you sure its a windage tray on the block and not something else like some sort of crank scraper?. interesting to say the least.
My 2zzge engine in my gts runs flawlessly 8400 rpm all day long. I still think Toyota and Yamaha know more than you.
Pretty sure they do, I mean they built the car...
Ben Harrison, well the car was built for daily street driving, there for no need if you are flooring it in a straight line easy racing. If you doing road course, autocross, rally racing or doing spirited driving along a mountain pass, then yes change the sump. Baffled sumps are better for when high gravitation forces are involved in cornering. If you still think its nonsense then you are not cornering hard enough or three wheeling your car around a bend or not an engineer as myself.
Ben Harrison LoL, until, it blows on you or just locks up, seizure. Happens all the time with the Yamaha engine. Get ready for an engine swap, I know a guy who had to do it twice.
How much hp it have
@@chevonne209 2zz have 140 kw idk what it is in hp
I have read a long forum thing about this some time ago, basically the problem with the baffled oil pan according to some people is the oil backflow rate, most people say that a baffled oil pan is important for track use, but for road use and touge driving it apparently is enough to just go 1/4 more oil than full someone mentioned they drive like this on track and never had an issue, i really am asking myself what the right solution to this problem is
Ok so options are laid out here but zero info on how each compares on efficiency to price.
1zz -pan $30
Lotus pan-$400
Any big differences in performance, benefit and protection from the problem of lack of oil uptake during cornering, etc?
the baffle inside the 1zz oil pan helps keep oil on the pick up tube to prevent oil starvation on hard corners. not track ready tho.
The 1zz oil pan does not control the lateral movements of the oil, even though it is considered better than the 2zz stock. I installed this , more expensive than 1zz but cheaper than the moroso
The moroso has more oil capacity
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I posted a similar question about this on Instagram and here was a users response:
"The engineers designed the oil pan on the 2zz that way because of the different crankcase pressures. It is not necessary to put the 1zz pain in the car, you will see Zero Improvement and you are actually hindering the engine. SOURCE: TOYOTA engineers"
used for 35k miles trouble free and on the track
I also asked the question and the engineers replied "the 1zz requires the baffel due to foaming and constant oil levels. The 2zz has a oil level sensor which the 1zz doesn't have."
Awesome video, that's a good thing to know as I just put a new engine into my 02 celica gts I already went to pick & pull & scooped up a oil pan from a 1zz to put in it on my 1st oil change. I really appreciate all your videos.
no problem! im creeping 50k miles with my 1zz oil pan on my 2zz.
How's the car doing? I was looking at ke70 swaps and 2zz is naturally top of the list and somehow I found my way here. Good to know such a tidbit and the easy fix for it.
Wow i didn't even know this either, Although i never messed with a 1zz just 2zz's
I’ve messed with both engines and when I made this alarming discovery I had to make a video about it...
I did replaced mine with baffled oil pan for lotus 2zzge engine also oil pump is very fragile and gearbox and clutch .lol
Thanks, you saved me ima do that right now
Glad I could help
In Australia, the 6 speed transmission the 2zzge is a absolute glass house even the diff casing can blow.
Whats the difference between celica 2zz and corolla 2zz, physical and power.
Toyota: oh wanna rev high huh? WANNA BLOW UP😂
yep
Isn't there an oil pump kit, or a different oil pan you can get that solved the oil starvation problem?
im using the 1zz oil pan, 2zz survived 2 track days events.
If I recall that I read on the toyota forums is that the reason they when for the oil pan like that ,is because the return time of the oil fluid as it goes down there is delay before it reach the sum so that a maybe ish ?
yea ive also read up on that
Keep your oil level up to the maximum level this only happens if you let your oil level drop to low
I thought the 2zz GE motor don't have the oil burn/starvation problem
It’s oil starvation on the oil pick up tube inside the oil pan. No oil burning issues.
@@2zzlow oh OK I got you now thanks for clearing that up bud.
Is it necessary to pull the engine out of the car? I want to do the oil pan swap but don’t want to go through the process of pulling the engine out
Na you don’t have to. Check out my other videos
So funny !!😁
Good old Matrix Xrs, made with love in Cambridge, Ont, Canada🇨🇦
exactly my friend
I never had a problem with the stock pan. Just the oil pump exploding at a high rpm with boost.
Great and interesting video! I have a 2005 RunX, it uses a 3zz I was always considering swapping a 2zz into it
worth every penny. you should
I have a 2zz RunX. Lovely car
Just buy o e ffs they're cheap as chips now..
Well that's interesting.... I have a 03 Toyota MR2 Spyder and my son Has a 00 Celica GTS. I also have a spare motor and tranny for My 1zz. His leaks oil and I'm sick of it in my rive. I'm about to change all the gaskets I can get to without pulling motor to help with his leaks though I feel since the oil is all over the pass side that it's most likely the seals. Car has 287k on it so. But no rust, no dents, good paint. Just needed some love. He loves it, but I don't know how much time he has left on the motor. He's not a racer so maybe a while left. But at least now i know I can give him the oil pan off my spare 1zz.
Thanks for posting. Love My turbo charged Go kart (MR2) as well, toyotas for life!
Actually, some models the lift hits at 6k exactly. Not 6200. My lift is 6000 to 8400. Stock.
All the information was pulled from wikipedia.
@@2zzlow Well then the information is not entirely accurate. And only applies to some of the models. The 2000 model most definitely. And I think the 03 models have different lift engagement times. Which change the performance of the car tremendously
Ya jdm ecus and early 2zzs had a lower engagement point and a higher limiter but they started making it engage higher an limit lower in the later years
@@johnfgt500 uhh. That's what I just said. But Txs for repeating it
I have a chance to buy a mr2 with MWR racing 2zz swap but I'm afraid I've read about all the 2zz failures but seller is including a baffled oil pan so I'm not sure
2 questions.
1. What’s the torque specs of the oil pan
2. Does the oil capacity stay the same or does it change?
1. 80in lbf
2. From what I’m reading the oil capacity on the 1zz oil pan is 3.9 as opposed to the 2zz which is 4.4. Not much of a difference.
@@2zzlow no way im fitting an older 1zz pan with less oil capacity that wasn't designed to work with the 2zz high rpms.... the 1zz pan isn't baffled, its a windage tray.
Ok no one is forcing you to. Carry on...
@@2zzlow Never said anyone was, it's a comments section so I left a comment 👍
@@luk-argen7144 oil capacity for 1zz engines was updated to 4.2l by Toyota on 2008, that makes it almost the same as the 2zz pan. Take a look here testing-public.carmd.com/Tsb/Download/27986/T-SB-0134-08
Sorry for the bump lol but I'm so over I found this out. It's a good set up. If you look on the Toyota Cool springs site they actually have a part number for the 2004 matrix xrs oil pan baffle. Yes....the baffle is sold separately but guess what? It's discontinued LMFAO!!!!! Love your channel and been watching everything so I can get this 04 Trix I purchased. Keep the grind y que dios te bendige hermano 🙏🏼✌🏼
nice man, read your message on ig
I've heard you can just slightly overfill your oil and you're good to go.
i do that
im about to 2zz engine swap on my toyota mrs. I also have 1zz engine oil pan . Should i use 1zz oil pan with 2zz engine. 1zz oil pan is taking less oil than 2zz's though . Would you recommend ?
I think the more oil you have the better. I think toyota made the 2zz oil pan this way for a specific reason. If your oil level is never low and you dont go on a track. I think the 2zz pan is alright. The problem ofter happend when in lift on a corner. the cylinder 1 starve from oil and it does permanent damage. I'm not a 2zz professionnal mechanic. I think you should do more research before putting an 1zz oil pan. Also, Moroso oil pan seem the best thing you could have, but its really expensive.
@@laudurobinet3480 its not cylinder one, its the oil pickup. which makes the engine lose oil pressure which can easily cause catastrophic failure, usually the oil pump blows up from it
@@arcanevoid9199 yeah oil pickup too. But i've seen one guy who was on a track and hit lift in a corner. His cylinder 1 or 4 I don't remember. Is oil squirter stoped working due to lack of oil.
@@laudurobinet3480 yeah but that's because of oil starvation, the whole oil system is pressurised. its only the oil in the oil pan that's susceptible to movement under hard cornering
@@arcanevoid9199 exactly!
crankshaft from 1zz will fit in 2zz?
Nice video! Is it worth the try buying this and changing the oil pan + pump? How much would it cost me for a mechanic to fix. I am between this crazy Corolla t sport or a regular Corolla just in case I wanna play "better safe than sorry". Thanks!
its different between shops but its very easy to do and maybe you should try
What Year Corolla, or Matrix with a 1ZZ-FE oil pan, would I need? To fit on my 2006 Toyota Matrix XRS, 2ZZ-GE.
98-08 Corolla 03-08 Matrix
you can also get one really cheap for $25 off ebay
The oem 2zzge oil pan holds more oil compared to the 1zz (2zzge = 5.5qt and 1zz =4.5qt) the flaws is no one puts the right amount
A pro build of this engine told me to always put 6qt like he does he runs 11s in 1/4 mile for 6years now stock pan no problem
My oil pan was broken,I bought an oil pan came with the baffle didn’t know it was for a 1zzfe it did fit though! Thanks for the information.
already put 1500 miles on this 1zz pan with no issues.
Yo dude did you have to do any modifications to the pan you bought? And can you link the one that you bought?
Cheapest one on eBay and no I didn’t
@@2zzlow happen to have a link?
my friend had a 1zz corolla, he ripped it up a windy hill and starved it of oil. oil was full. engine went bye bye. the baffled pan doesnt do shit. better install a better baffled pan for tack useage.
I’m not saying this is a track ready replacement. I only daily the car now and 7k miles later the car is still fine. Later on when I’m ready to track it I’ll upgrade to a moroso.
@@2zzlow than goodness you didnt correct my spelling mistake as a point. but if youre swapping to a moroso pan later whats the point of a 1zz pan? youd think theyd do the same to the corolla too if they wanted to sell short blocks.
Does putting an oil gasket from Autozone affect because of its thickness? Or do I just add more oil?
I wouldn't trust any gasket that's not oem
Are you tuning nie this engine? Is it rally bolt-on mod? Any issues after swaping oil pans?
Everything is bolt on mods, 10,000 miles later and the 1zz oil pan is still holding up strong. I also drive the car hard.
2zzlow dud you used oil sump spacer?
Do you have to change the deepstick, I figured the 2zz one is longer than the 1zz, I want to change the oil pan on my 2zz to a 1zz
I didn't and it works fine.
Starting to drive on track with My 2zzge-engine this was most valuable info before to swap into My car' before track rehearsing. Thank You so much 😇🤗
indeed
So informative love it haha
thanks fam
how did your 1zz pan just fit right on there? I had to cut the baffle on mine to make it bolt on evenly.
You are probably using an oem pan. I used an aftermarket ebay one
Does the 2ZZGE have an oil sump gasket or just RTV sealer? If just sealer, which sealer do you recommend and how long before you can drive it after assembly (drying/curing time)? Thanks.
Only rtv sealer, I recommend the Toyota packing seal
Achilles foot ,😂 can't even get that right it's Achilles heel so funny
At least you watched the video
Speaking of which i need my oil pan resealed, its zipping oil from the front, at least i think it is the oil pan. I might get a 1zz one then.
Definitely look into it
@@2zzlow yep.
This is gonna be my new project soon.
I have a gts w a 2zz and i m getting engine knocking .
I m in california and thou its cold but not that cold i m wondering what kind of oil is optimal? Thin or thick oil.
Recently i used a " oil estabilizing " lucas product. It is thick like ? 10-40. ??
Then i used sythetic 5- 30 oil.
Q: do u think my oil is too thick ?
Thanks for the info on oil pan.
Yep that’s thick
Can confirm with the oil pans, Ive had to change both
splurged myself and got the moroso oil pan 😁
Next engine once I throw on the greddy supercharger will for sure get a moroso. Just testing the 1zz oil pan to prove people wrong on my high mileage 2zz
Only time my 2zz blew up is when I poured gas over it and lit it on fire
damn son pyromaniac
🤣
Did you change out the oil pump as well? I'm looking to replace my oil pan, but I don't want to take out the engine.
Early 2zz were the only ones with the oil pump issue. This is out of my 05 XRS. You can replace the oil pan without taking the engine out. I just simply did it while the engine was out.
@@2zzlow sorry, I meant my oil pump. How hard is it to replace the pump when the engine is still inside the car?
What year did the early 2zz have the oil pump issue? I have a 2002
2zzCam before 2004. Models after 2004 were fixed.
The 2ZZ is legendary
100hp per liter
yes indeed!
@@2zzlow I'm building a rwd 2ZZ Toyota single cab 2wd pickup rn. Keeping the C60. Engine had to go sideways of course. Gonna be a fun ride
When you turn without the oil baffle, does the red light for oil illuminate at the dashboard ?
it turns on only on startup
@@2zzlow I'm not a specialiste, but can we think that if the red light for low pressure do not illuminate when you turn on a corner, the oil pressure is ok ? I experience some red light on a VW Golf MK1 at cornering but because my oil level was criticaly low. Also the engine can experience some loose of oil pressure during few seconde without breaking, but of course this is not what I recommend.
question: do you know what sensor would be making the engine to flash a check engine light .. seems when going up a hill.. and not under load.. goes right away.
engine is running strong regardless.
vvl
idk. i need a iac valve still but that doesnt seem right. any help mucho appreciated mi amigo
get a scan tool and check the code
@@2zzlow lol i did from ebay.. it never worked.
i messed with a cheap tps sensor.. doing intake manifold gasket and manifold this weekend.. so.. idk.. we'll see
remind me after i fix this to get a typeR and hatchback !
@@2zzlow yep.. it was the oil pump.. ask me how i found out?? as a matter of fact, dont ask. sigh.. looks like that engine install video gonna come in handy
so if someone was to have newly purchased a celica gts would this be an ideal thing to do if they do some spirited driving?
i would do it
Well this just baffles me.
Anyone know the torque for the bolts in the oil pan?
That's why i prefer the Celica gt 1zz, better torque and you don't need to drive like crazy to reach all power
both have its pros and cons.
1 year late and i agree its true but the 1zz sadly doesnt have lift for the higher end of the powerband to pick up even further which does make me wonder if someone has made a tuner that can change the range for lift to come on a little earlier
@@dr.dylansgame5583 there are lots of ecu options that can control lift, but it can come on too early and be useless. most people have it at 5800 for a na build but with a built engine and turbo you can have it much lower at below 5k
@JEY 2zz owners won't admit the 1zz is more reliable, won't admit that 1zz has better tolerance to turbo boosts, won't admit that 1zz celica is better track car because it is lighter 100kg, won't admit that we have more torque. Reason why I left celica community totally.
I drive my celica and mrs in peace without social media because 95% of 2zz owners are clowns.
did your links expire ? so u took them down
expired links to lotus talk
@@2zzlow ya that’s what i was trying to say sorry if it came out odd i think it was like 4 am
That is mad!!! I cant believe yamaha did away with the baffled sump !!! Insane decision!! Baffles are critical - especially for track work
exactly.
Well. It's a everyday driving car. Not a track car. And other reason made the decision for them. Did you not read everything here posted?
@@Bobaganush26 a year late but if they needed to set the lift profile to kick on at such high rpm which you want the lift on as much as possible mainly for track driving i dont see why they didn't just find a way to include it for extra safety
That oilpan is never gona leak
Hopefully the engine survives the errant sealant...
I’ve seen worse lol 😂
Does the 2zz Intake manifold bolt on to the 1zz?
Not at all
@@2zzlow dang you replied 😅
Should I repare the 1zz for turboing or swap it with 2zz and turbo that engine
How fast does that sealer cure before torque or oil exposure?
id let it cure overnight, seems stupid to pour oil right after sealing it up
Your suppose to go on the inside of the bolt holes with fipg. Hope it didn’t leak on you
I went back and fixed it off camera. No leaks
What do you mean by that?
Some things I see on the net don't need modification and some of them do.. I'd prefer one that doesn't lol
this one doesn't and its proven.
You think you can link the pan?? I see that it’s proven as u just put it on, I’d like to buy the same if you can just link it...
might as well 3s/5s or full 5s machine. the 2arfe is the next best motor for long lasting 500 hp
Nice ending music.
I try to change it every now and then since youtube is very picky with what is copy right.
can you get a flat crank for these engines ?
doubt it
First thing I'm doing as soon as I get my Celica GTS is swapping to a 1ZZ (or other aftermarket) pan. I've heard of this issue and still confuses me.
worth it
I’ve driven my 2zz oil pan for months now no misjudge and fast turns. No issues but still planning on changing the oil pan
hi interesting videio i had heard this many times and i believe especially on track a 1zzfe sump has always been recommended but ive had my 2zzge for nearly 10 years and drive on a daily basis through the twisties and do throw it around at times i use fuchs high performance oil in it and never had any issue ...now i do have a seep on the sump and im thinking of taking down the sump cleaning the faces , reseal and bolt back up again ....
Hell, I just put a moroso baffled pan. Really one of the least of my worries with this piece of shyt motor. Had my block sleeved by darton when I built mine to get rid of those MMC sleeves after the head of a valve broke off a bone stock engine.
3zz runs the same pan as the 1zz, never had a starvation problem and i run my build & turboed 3zz to 7800
thats awesome
Also epoxy a large magnet to the bottom...it'll catch all the bits from the mis shifts.
Good tip!
How large is large?
I have two circular magnets the size of a one dollar coin , thick as
3 one dollar coins stacked together. Should i install both or just one. Also, this magnets came from what used to be two jbl desktop monitor speakers . Their grip is extremely strong.
What kind of glue do you recomend? So many different gluess.
@@drippingjuices two part epoxy. Comes in a side by side syringe. Any solid magnet will do.
Was video taped during a remake of The Birds?
this is my studio. i have no where else to work.
Thanks for the vid. And yes it does not make sense! Thanks for the info!!
So do I need a 1zz oil pan from 2003 Corolla ? To fit my xrs Corolla 2005. Lol! I have both cars 1zz and 2zz 😎
pretty much lol
What is forged induction?
forced. we all make mistakes
2zzlow lol I was just messing with you
i wish i watched this earlier, my corolla xrs is making a knocking noise and i always take tight corners and windy roads fast asf 😑
damn no way!
2zz 4 eva!
BTW the morso pan interferes with the turbo kit
Good to know!
@@2zzlow I'm starting a channel with my swap and boost upgrade + other car stuff. Will let you know!
Is it this channel the one you are messaging me with?
@@2zzlow that's a good question, I should probably make an official channel right?
What's the torque setting?
not much i believe 8 lb ft.
i thought it was 80 i could be wrong
Backyard garage dissing a multi-million dollar corporations R&D. Totally legit.
Back yard porch...get it right
@@2zzlow I'm still more in the right than your drivel. Educate yourself.
That’s your opinion and to me it’s worthless. Either grasp the knowledge or carry on my guy.
@@2zzlow It is not knowledge. It is misinformation
Well then I guess carry on
Are the Oil pain bolts thread pitch M6x1.0? Please and thanks
I own a 2zzge celica and its such a shame that there are problems with this engine that rule it out as a proper all time classic, yes its a great engine and it probably flows better than a b18c for sure but like the oil pump problem and the weak ass 6 speed they pair with it is trash like my mate has the corolla xrs with the 2zzge and we both have the 4th gear crunch when downshifting and we both have the same problem when you shift from redline in 1st to 2nd unless you do it perfectly you will get 2nd gear lock out. And the clutch they use is the same as the 1zzfe but with i think 10% more clamping force so they tend to wear out around 240,000KM which isnt much tbh. other than that i love my car just a few problems they could of easily fixed but seemed a bit lazy especially with the clutch. Oh and the metal matrix cyilnder coating too
oh and also... i do think the 99 year which is mine is the best 2zzge since you get 190HP which is pretty much the MAX output but lift kicks in at 6000 instead of 6250 or on some 6500, honestly sometimes im in third gear waiting for lift to kick in and wish it engaged at like 5.5k RPM tbh but nah great engine, really under rated to the point its pretty much a cheap B18C you can buy for half the price and if you get the 7th gen celica with the TRD factory body kit its a pretty sick looking car, just keep in mind you cant thrash this like a honda.
the transmission is almost a bottle neck for the 2zz, you are limited to 250hp before stuff starts shattering.
@@2zzlow hard. i bought my celica with the 4th gear crunch when downshifting now im starting to develop the 2nd gear crunch which i think it has to do when you shift aggresively from 1st to 2nd and get 2nd gear lock out and fuck the syncros slightly worse each time, absolute shit tier transmisison
Thanks for the info. Heading to my pick and pull soon to get a 1zz pan.
I have heard you do need to make a small groove on the baffle for the oil pickup though.
I didn’t have to on mine. All what that does is for the dipstick to clear both ways. It clears one way but when you flip it, it wont. I haven’t found this to be an issue tho.
Would 1ZZ oil pan fit in a 2zz
yes
Don't that well block the mesh
Why do some people's have to shave a little bit to make it fit why just bolt on like that.
I have a corolla xrs with the 2zzge and the distribution chain broke for that reason the valves were bent ... I bought all the parts and started again ... as you already know this car reaches 8000 revolutions but when I accelerate it it only goes up to 7000 and it is as if your cut was at 7000 ... someone knows what the problem is ... regards
cant help ya there, sorry...
Sounds like a timing issue. Maybe the cams or timing chain were installed retarded or maybe off by one tooth or something. That’s the only thing i can think of but don’t know if it would even run right under those conditions. Maybe your car was previously tuned or something and the ecm might read something different.
I. Curious about the after market oil pan from Moroso. Anyone has experience with the Moroso one?
Track ready oil pan. Very well built for a premium price.
There is an oil pan baffle in the 2zz.... someone must have just forgotten to refit it
i think thats a windage tray
That oil pan thing is fucked up, but can confirm. Changed the oil on a 1zz and 2zz. (I generally drop the pan and clean it.)
good mod
@@2zzlow yeah, I'm not sure why they didn't put the same pan on a 1zz as a 2zz. The 1zz pan was baffled. 🤷🏻♂️
Toyota engineering
Does this mean i can finally say my 140 is better than ur 190 😂😂😂
Just a bit lol
yeah but at least the 2ZZ doesn't hemmorage oil as badly as the 1ZZ from the piston rings...
@@ErikSeastead the problem was solved in the 2003 and later versions ...
Hey I have a 99 Corolla ce 8thgen and I was looking to see what do I need to convert my engine into a 2zz but want to leave it automatic