same thoughts here.. ok 7sIII might be amasing but this... for 1/20 of the price is just another level. quality not much worse than S7III to be completely honest
Years ago when Zeke started posting about the EOS M I went and got one from EBay for $88. I already had a M50 so lenses and adapters galore for FD, EF/EF-S, vintage m42, etc… needless to say I LOVE the EOS M for video. All in over the years I think I am maybe $500 deep with accessories, cage, monitor, mic, etc… and it just continues to impress especially now with the new ML build.
this video is simply showing how amazing the original EOS M is, I thought it matched the m50 in most cases but looked more cinematic in others. Even the extra quality of life features of the m50 don't make the huge step up in price worth while in my opinion. It's crazy to think that the EOS M will turn 10 next year and yet no budget cinema camera can match it!
True! The M50 is lacking dynamic range and a LOG Profile at least. The M with ML Raw has the upper hand here. It's still swimming after all these years haha, hard to hate on it. 🤘🍻🎥🔥
and also quite interesing in each one clip in Zeek's comparison looks actually more detailed on EOS M compared to M50 which is a bit strange - maybe youtube compression compressing M50 footage second time ? EOS M - looks just more detailed despite lower resolution. - this is realy impressive., Also color seems to bit a bit richer and a bit more accurate. Althou M50 is also very good and do not clip to white as much as EOS M. (noticed) , zeek another great video for the community. amasing work mate! youre EOSKing ;)
I'm seeing pretty much with Magic Lantern firmware that the original EOS M is better than the M50 in most instances. It just goes to show you how much Canon was kneecapping its sensors back in the day.
@@rocheurothe eos m50 can only record compressed MP4s which is why it looks less detsiles A stock eos M looks worse than the M50, but magic lantern really helps in eliminating the compression
With all the extra love, energy and attention put into expanding the EOS M's capabilities further via Magic Lantern, that's true, in that sense. But as for personal taste, what has "more heart" is totally up to each individual, of course.
The M50 has many end-user improvements, done right by the looks of things. But for my needs, the M @ 2.5K is pretty close to perfect. Thanks for putting in the 2.8K shots, that's a mode I've not yet used.
@@ZeekEOSZ the m50 allready to install Canon Cinestyle ? maybe it will better to reach more dynamic range. How do you do to match the color from 2 camera ?
@@andisantoso4155 I use Cinestyle always on the M50. I out them both in Davinci Resolve and they look already very similar. Just a matter of matching white balance and tint.
Hi Zeek, You said a lot, I might add a difference in file size (raw files are huge and take up a lot of space, and processing time also requires stronger hardware, especially if you're on a PC). Someone who doesn't want to get into color grading M50 is easier to use. On the Canon M, I miss the flip screen a lot. Also, I'm never sure if it will record 6-7 seconds or longer, it's a lottery. The batteries also discharge quickly. What I like is that raw files can be exported as arri alexa log and really resemble that look to some extent.
With file size they can be quite large on the SD, but once processed in MLV App as H.264/H.265 they can be tiny in comparison. But yes MLV Exports can take a while, which is why I export DNG. The M50 takes great photos too and the footage is still nice for everyday vids. 👍
@@ZeekEOSZ h265 are so tiny - seriously 10sec of quite static 2.8k footage can be as little as 2.8MB - yes MEGA BYTES file -. seriously. If you dont need to store DNG or MLV or export prores.. just exporting to 265 or 264 is the best way to go. (I noticed that H265 has a bit less tiny detail) but the file sizes are 1/4 of h264. althou I always export at H264 just because I preffer quality. Most people Wont notice ANY! difference thou between those 2 codecs. Althou I wish new version of MLV app has option to choose bitrate when exporting! - what a shame they didnt include that in previous builds!
some points there but honestly you have to agree.. post processing and more hours with this camera is something you have to live with - and you got MLVapp and Magic Lantern for free anyways. And when you learn your workflow fast and use templates for your processing you can shorten the import/export times to 1/10 of the first time trial and error ;) Ive been there too.
amazing stuff. I have a Canon m50 mark II and I love it, but after watching Zeek I have purchased two Canon EOS M's to add to my filming set up to make cooking content. I'm so glad I discovered this channel because the Canon Eos M cameras are absolutely amazing and I even got a compliment the other day about the picture quality of my cooking shots.
Really appreciate your videos, I am new to the magic lantern angle. Am looking now to go down the rabbit hole and try some raw shooting, and this is a great comparison. You shoot beautiful videos ! Thanks for the knowledge Zeek!
Hey Zeek, i love your coverage on these cameras an the magic lantern software. Its comprehensive an valuable information. Believe it or not, I shoot exclusively on Alexa for my feature and corporate shoots, but am really attracted to the micro form factor something like this would provide. I'm looking at building an eos rig but i was wondering if you have or could make a comparison video between the Eos M and the 5D Mii. Specifically as it applies to my type of work, i'm trying to figure out which of the two i should go for, an what would be valuable to see is a side by side test of an EOS M with that nifty speedbooster and those canon FD lenses Vs. the full frame sensor of the 5d Mii with the same lenses. I want to lean towards the EOS M because of its size, but i'd rather invest in the better image quality just as i'd be using this as a C cam to match up with my 2.8k Alexa footage. Would love your insight on this.
You can but with loaded pink dropped frames and aliasing and an Anamorphic-like stretched Liveview. Not worth it in my opinion. Don't want to keep hopes up for newbies with high fps tbh.
Great video Zeek! I was waiting for this one but it didn't take away my doubts of getting an Eos M the 60 fps on the M50 is just a must for me! Keep them vids coming!
I'd use the Vlog mirror, and disable Servo AF on the Canon Menu with the M otherwise it will hunt. The M50 would be fine only in 1080p with DPAF as 4K doesn't have it. Those lenses I use MF All the time.
@@ZeekEOSZ okay awesome I got the vlog mirror, favourite tool ever, and ill go disable SERVO AF right now, pretty tempted to get the m50 mark ii but I'm gonna try to stick with my Eos M for now! thanks zeek!
@@muddywatersautodetailingpr9866 I used Cinestyle on the M50. When I dropped the clips in DaVinci Resolve they looked already very similar, some were hard to tell apart. You can check my Facebook to see the M50 and EOS M DaVinci Clips together.
Good job, love the cinematic look of the M, and the autofocus on the M50, very interesting comparison, for the test of the dynamic range , using dual iso in 2.5K perharps should be better ?
Я как раз, только что продал свой eos M, и купил eos M50. Я сделал выбор в пользу удобства пользования. Картинка видео мне больше нравится с eos m, но автофокус, поворотный экран, видео искатель, и прошивка без глюков для меня перевесели и я всё-таки пользуюсь eos m 50.
Hi, So I just bought an eos m used. Please guide me where to start,total noob here. I wanna shoot at 2.5k raw. Please share the settings and the ml build. This is gonna be my hobby now.
This is my latest settings video: ua-cam.com/video/yZfosm3IuZI/v-deo.html This is a good export/grading tutorial: ua-cam.com/video/hb3iE5djAt0/v-deo.html I have more on the channel too.
why does the eos m looks sharper in many of those clips, especially on the textures of the tree/branches? its hard to believe... haha! man... eos m is like... miraculous.
The M50 4K isn't true 4K it seems, there's some upscaling going on. Also M50 footage is compressed, the footage does look quite soft out of camera so some post sharpening is required.
@@ZeekEOSZ , its 8-BIT 4.2.0 so the scale isn't justified with 4K resolutions because its technically copying pixels, i think. This gives off the illusion that its sharper, at least with Sony cameras. I think Canon lowers the sharpness by default. In general, you cant really trust 8-BIT 4K because the extra resolution needs higher than 8-BIT 4.2.0 DEPTH to justify even 1080p. I edit on a 4K 10-BIT display with decent HDR so the EOS-M shines on it when i look at its original RAW 12-BIT 4.4.4. The majority do not have displays to see true HDR benefits but one day maybe they will haha. Its crazy how companies get away with marketing "HDR, HDR10" TVs but yet the majority of them cant really display HDR content due to being a 8-BIT display with barely enough nits to see a slight change in dynamic range compared to SDR, if any change.
EOS M has far more character to it. I think the M50 is more efficient to use. But the EOS M has that real Arri Alexa vibe to it which I love! Great video Zeek as always!
Sorry, but this is a bad comparison with the stabilization. You should have tried at least by walking with it. CLOSE CALL? Sorry, you already have said too many cons on the EOS M vs the other.
EOS M looks sharper then M50, the results from EOS M making an advance perfomance. Possibly the software from m50 can not match with that hardware realy well, you can never trust of any Version of 1.0 bevore it come near to perfect no matter what it cost
EOS M is clearly sharper and better reproduction/less post processing vs the M50...however I need a camera for my gf to record animals and plants. So m50 with its amenities it is.
yeahh not so close after all, the whole point is not comparing the resolution alone but the usability also. m50 easily records an interview in 4k, something simple that can't be done with the m+ ML
The M50 would win as it's compressed video, raw will need a little denoising in post or some processing. I noticed in the first comparison of the tree scrlene, the M was a bit noisier in the shadows. Thanks to UA-cam Compression you can't tell as much 😎👍
Does the EOS M allow you to play back the footage in camera ? I’ve been talking to some people and they say they switched to the OG bmpcc for that exact reason. If so what are the work arounds for it ?
Great video comparison Zeek, I love my EOS M but I also own the M50 great for stills and with these comparisons great for video as well it seems, can't wait for the work in progress to open up the M50, it will be awesome
Hi Zeek! First of all, thanks for your work on this channel! Just bought EOS M because of its price (M50 costs too much for me). So, I just wanted to ask about EOS M for vlogging. Few times I saw your examples with your sister sitting opposite the camera. Did you use 5k preset in all those examples? If not, which presets you can recommend for vlogging purposes with continuous record time? (simple 1080 mode has aliasing, I don't think it's a good choice).
You can use a monitor or a vlogging mirror. I would use 5K FRTP or 1080 mode and enable X3 crop with a wide angle lens like the 11-22mm or 10-18mm. I plan on making a video about this too. 👍
@@ZeekEOSZ Sounds good. Thanks a lot! But why would u use crop mode with wide angle lense if you can use basic 18mm+ lense without any crop? Or crop is not really necessary (sorry for that kind of questions, i'm really new to this..)
@@mikejaputz5570 No that's okay. The crop removes aliasing. It's very clean compared to the uncropped 1.6x 1080 mode. All you do is press the "set" button and your in X3 crop modes, press it again and you're out of it. So it's a choice 👍
any suggestions for a really wide cine lens like cosmicar but wider then 16? i love the look of the vintage cine but would like maybe 10mm or wider...do-able?
Hey zeek great video ...i just bought the eos m and I don't know which lens i should buy ...i want to do short films and b rolls and photography 😅 so basically everything but I'm on a tight budget (around $90) thanks ✌️
@@gokugoku1699 The *7Artisans 25mm* (which, as you may know, becomes a 40mm field of view on the EOS M, because of the 1.6 crop) is one of the best cheap lenses you can buy for the EOS M. You can get it cheap on Wish dot com, although it generally takes longer to arrive than via Amazon or Ebay at a higher price. Except for the 22mm, you can buy any of these cheap lenses used and get them for well under $90 USD. Best Wishes!
Yeah, it looks like I need to find another canon eos M instead of murder my savings account to buy the m50. I was hesitant to buy the c lens, it looks its gonna be a worth it purchase. BTW master Zeek, I'm hoping to see soon your opinion on which full frame canon to use with magic lantern and what would be the benefits.
Good job, love the cinematic look of the M, and the autofocus on the M50, very interesting comparison, for the test of the dynamic range , using dual iso in 2.5K perharps should be better ?
Hey Zeek, great couple of videos I watched, I just discovered you. I just had a quick look at Magic Lantern's page, I only see the EOS M camera being supported there, but it looks like you are using ML on the EOS M50 with it no problems it seems, is just not fully supported or such? I'm considering getting the EOS M50 cause of the dual pixel focusing and the articulated screen, rather than the EOS M, even though I did like it quite a lot, but very hard to see the screen, I'm getting old and my eye sight is failing me. I had a EOS M a few years ago and was using ML firmware on it with good results, although the latest Canon firmware would render ML un usable, is that still the case or has it been updated to work with the latest Canon EOS M firmware? Thanks for the great videos, I'll keep looking :)
The M50 has no Magic Lantern Raw. Development hasn't progressed much hence no news. The is magic lantern for the latest Eos m build but it's still a bit sketchy. You're better off with Firmware 2.0.2
Zeek, when you talk about 2.5K, 3K, 4K, or 5K on the M these numbers are the HORIZONTAL resolution of the video. Video folks know that when one talks about 720, 1080, and 2160 one is talking about the number of VERTICAL lines that DEFINE HD, FHD, and UHD (also called 4K). No matter the ML setting, you can't get true HD (1280x720) or FHD (1920x1080) which means you are shooting SD which is anything less than 720-lines. Although if you give-up an 14 bits, or maybe even 12-bits, you can get up to 1080-lines, but not exactly 1920x1080. To scale with quality you need to use Super Scale in Resolve Studio. One can not simply scale--the image gets smaller/larger but quality is lost. (See the lack of skin detail in many videos.) And to get the benefit of RAW, one needs 14-bit data. Also, for video-film the frame-rate must be 23.976 with a 1/48th shutter. So many ML releases simply can't meet these specs. And, locking ISO to 100 makes a camera useless for most people who don't shoot midday, outdoors. Sorry.
using mlv app on windows 10, trying to convert from .mlv, to which ever I like. after export, mlv app says ''export is ready'', but when I go to locate my file, it's not there. and no amount of windows searching finds it, maybe mlv app, doesn't like windows 10??
When you load MLV App, don't remove that black pop up window otherwise it may cause disruption with the export. See how that goes, if not, then You can communicate this in the ML Forum for MLV APP: www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=20025.msg235904;topicseen#msg235904
Thanks again Zeek, worked fine next time around after downloading an x64 version of mlv app, and also, I notched a whole bunch of files that I assume need to stay in the original dir. and also, the CMD .BIN thing seems to work too! Thanks! keep the video's coming!
You could use two SD cards, one for ML, and one for Canon in the EOS. Great video! Did you use green screen? Love the small detail work of zooming in and audio is👌
Is the EOS M the R5 Killer? How knowledge is power and saves money. Stay in school kids! Stay humble! Have a strong relationship with Jesus Christ our Lord.
I live for the days they will get magic lantern on later canons, can you imagine what the M50 would be able to do if it had magic lantern as well? If it can do 4K itself as is, imagine what it could do with magic lantern. At some point the Canon R5C for example (the 8K 60fps monster) will get it to and that will be the end of any new camera. If you can get super detail on a 200$ camera because of the pirate firmware, then when it becomes available on later models it will be out of this world.
Wow I found my new favorite UA-cam channel haha 🙌 It would be great if you could do a video on your color grading workflow in Davinci for how you got the m50 footage to look like the EOS M. Whenever I try to color grade from a flat picture profile it looks terrible loll
I just chuck the clips onto the timeline with the DaVinci settings mentioned here: ua-cam.com/video/hb3iE5djAt0/v-deo.html I plan on doing another video with the M50.
Hey Zeek, short question. I got an EOS M and a autofocus lense from Canon. The Autofocus works great at Pictures, but there is no chaning Autofocus if I shot a video right? Its a bumper right now because I need to ajust the focus all the time while shooting a video.
I have tried twice to get Magic Lantern to be stable on the EOS M, but it has crashed both times and the recommended settings I have found so far are not really working. I'd love to know what version of the software you are using and what your settings are. Your footage looks great!
Ребята, все ваши видео отстой по той причине, что сами кадры теста вы делаете 3 секунды, ничего не успеваю понять. Вы можете снимать не своё лицо и как вы ходите, а снять наконец кадры с тестирующих камер в разных условиях?????
Hey Zeek! Do you know if the 650D/t4i performs as well as the EOS M with ML RAW 2.5k? Seems to have more or less similar architecture w DIGIC 5 processor. Looking for something that matches the EOS M picture quality.
650D/700D should be fine. They just don't get the adaptability to speedboosters and other lenses. Those cameras should do fine, though I've never seen their footage with 2.5K Raw.
@@ZeekEOSZ yeah that’s what I was thinking. I have 2 x EOS M w speed boosters and I’m thinking a 650D or 750D will compliment them beautifully for a 3 camera shoot utilising ML auto restart recording for constant coverage. Plan is to stagger recording start for redundancy and to shoot a set up from 3 seperate angles simultaneously. I have multiple lenses and can rent if need be. Thoughts?
@@RhythmicEye Yeah that should be fine. Not sure of the recording limits with those cameras in 2.5K, should be similar to the M. The 650D/700D should be a good addition. There's more info on the ML Forum around these cameras 😎👍
@@ZeekEOSZ yeah after all these years I finally joined the ML forum. It’s a fantastic resource but overwhelming at first, I’m still in stealth mode as I see the devs get a bit annoyed at people asking repeatedly the same questions. Great collaborative group though. Hopefully I can contribute something of value soon. Thanks for all you do!, greatly appreciated.
These developments take a lot of time and it's all free work. So it's up to the developers if they have the time. It does seem like there is progress though, especially for the EOS R/RP.
This dude is a legend. When people are fighting over R5 vs A7Siii, he is rocking his EOS M and getting stunning results. I am completely blown away.
😎🙌 Been super busy, but hope to play more with these cameras, even the M50.
same thoughts here.. ok 7sIII might be amasing but this... for 1/20 of the price is just another level. quality not much worse than S7III to be completely honest
@@rocheuro : and i just went to buy a second-handed EOS M after watching some of his videos.....
check my videos about 1 year ago on canon t2i (12 year old camera) the last 6 months were from apple iphone 13 pro max
Years ago when Zeke started posting about the EOS M I went and got one from EBay for $88. I already had a M50 so lenses and adapters galore for FD, EF/EF-S, vintage m42, etc… needless to say I LOVE the EOS M for video. All in over the years I think I am maybe $500 deep with accessories, cage, monitor, mic, etc… and it just continues to impress especially now with the new ML build.
this video is simply showing how amazing the original EOS M is, I thought it matched the m50 in most cases but looked more cinematic in others. Even the extra quality of life features of the m50 don't make the huge step up in price worth while in my opinion. It's crazy to think that the EOS M will turn 10 next year and yet no budget cinema camera can match it!
True! The M50 is lacking dynamic range and a LOG Profile at least. The M with ML Raw has the upper hand here. It's still swimming after all these years haha, hard to hate on it. 🤘🍻🎥🔥
and also quite interesing in each one clip in Zeek's comparison looks actually more detailed on EOS M compared to M50 which is a bit strange - maybe youtube compression compressing M50 footage second time ? EOS M - looks just more detailed despite lower resolution. - this is realy impressive., Also color seems to bit a bit richer and a bit more accurate. Althou M50 is also very good and do not clip to white as much as EOS M. (noticed) , zeek another great video for the community. amasing work mate! youre EOSKing ;)
I'm seeing pretty much with Magic Lantern firmware that the original EOS M is better than the M50 in most instances. It just goes to show you how much Canon was kneecapping its sensors back in the day.
really make you wonder what else modern cams like the R8 can do if we can load custom firmware!
@@rocheurothe eos m50 can only record compressed MP4s which is why it looks less detsiles
A stock eos M looks worse than the M50, but magic lantern really helps in eliminating the compression
The EOS M has more heart.
With all the extra love, energy and attention put into expanding the EOS M's capabilities further via Magic Lantern, that's true, in that sense. But as for personal taste, what has "more heart" is totally up to each individual, of course.
The M50 has many end-user improvements, done right by the looks of things. But for my needs, the M @ 2.5K is pretty close to perfect. Thanks for putting in the 2.8K shots, that's a mode I've not yet used.
Yeah the M with 2.5K RAW is sufficient for most cinematic work. I've even used it with success in low light. Good stuff! 👌🎥🔥
@@ZeekEOSZ the m50 allready to install Canon Cinestyle ? maybe it will better to reach more dynamic range. How do you do to match the color from 2 camera ?
@@andisantoso4155 I use Cinestyle always on the M50.
I out them both in Davinci Resolve and they look already very similar. Just a matter of matching white balance and tint.
I have both these cameras (I got my EOS M today from Ebay.) Looking forward to trying Magic Lantern. Your channel is a great resource.
Congrats! Love this cam, even for pure photography 🎥🔥
How is Magic Lantern working on the M50?
canon M raw blows socks off so good, dynamic range is insane. m50 4k looks like it has compressed colouring range somehow.
i like the overall nature shots of the m but the m50 has it on the closeups, I admit it
With Magic Lantern, Optical Flow & Gigapixel AI my everyday choice is EOS M.
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Hi Zeek, You said a lot, I might add a difference in file size (raw files are huge and take up a lot of space, and processing time also requires stronger hardware, especially if you're on a PC). Someone who doesn't want to get into color grading M50 is easier to use. On the Canon M, I miss the flip screen a lot. Also, I'm never sure if it will record 6-7 seconds or longer, it's a lottery. The batteries also discharge quickly. What I like is that raw files can be exported as arri alexa log and really resemble that look to some extent.
With file size they can be quite large on the SD, but once processed in MLV App as H.264/H.265 they can be tiny in comparison. But yes MLV Exports can take a while, which is why I export DNG. The M50 takes great photos too and the footage is still nice for everyday vids. 👍
@@ZeekEOSZ h265 are so tiny - seriously 10sec of quite static 2.8k footage can be as little as 2.8MB - yes MEGA BYTES file -. seriously. If you dont need to store DNG or MLV or export prores.. just exporting to 265 or 264 is the best way to go. (I noticed that H265 has a bit less tiny detail) but the file sizes are 1/4 of h264. althou I always export at H264 just because I preffer quality. Most people Wont notice ANY! difference thou between those 2 codecs. Althou I wish new version of MLV app has option to choose bitrate when exporting! - what a shame they didnt include that in previous builds!
some points there but honestly you have to agree.. post processing and more hours with this camera is something you have to live with - and you got MLVapp and Magic Lantern for free anyways. And when you learn your workflow fast and use templates for your processing you can shorten the import/export times to 1/10 of the first time trial and error ;) Ive been there too.
amazing stuff. I have a Canon m50 mark II and I love it, but after watching Zeek I have purchased two Canon EOS M's to add to my filming set up to make cooking content. I'm so glad I discovered this channel because the Canon Eos M cameras are absolutely amazing and I even got a compliment the other day about the picture quality of my cooking shots.
Why u have two, gimme 1, That camera is hard to find
I'm glad I found this channel. Your content makes me want to work on my video skills.
Very good vidéo , i m looking for a good and cheap magic lantern camera, the eos M is perfect for me.
😎👍🎥🔥
definitely is the person not the camera taking the image, stunning results with either camera
Really appreciate your videos, I am new to the magic lantern angle. Am looking now to go down the rabbit hole and try some raw shooting, and this is a great comparison. You shoot beautiful videos ! Thanks for the knowledge Zeek!
No problem at all! Even for stills, it's an amazing pocket camera 😎👌💯
On UA-cam they look similar. The M seems better for some reason.
Hey Zeek, i love your coverage on these cameras an the magic lantern software. Its comprehensive an valuable information. Believe it or not, I shoot exclusively on Alexa for my feature and corporate shoots, but am really attracted to the micro form factor something like this would provide. I'm looking at building an eos rig but i was wondering if you have or could make a comparison video between the Eos M and the 5D Mii. Specifically as it applies to my type of work, i'm trying to figure out which of the two i should go for, an what would be valuable to see is a side by side test of an EOS M with that nifty speedbooster and those canon FD lenses Vs. the full frame sensor of the 5d Mii with the same lenses. I want to lean towards the EOS M because of its size, but i'd rather invest in the better image quality just as i'd be using this as a C cam to match up with my 2.8k Alexa footage. Would love your insight on this.
I really love the cages
They're so good!
Wait...I thought you could get 48fps in 1080p on the Canon EOS M...
You can but with loaded pink dropped frames and aliasing and an Anamorphic-like stretched Liveview. Not worth it in my opinion. Don't want to keep hopes up for newbies with high fps tbh.
Great video! Thank you for taking the time to make it? The EOS M has certainly surprised me in a good way.
Great video Zeek! I was waiting for this one but it didn't take away my doubts of getting an Eos M the 60 fps on the M50 is just a must for me! Keep them vids coming!
Cheers! 👍🎥🔥
Zeek if i want to film myself on the field, how do I set focus or manual focus with the 15-45mm or 22mm what setting do I turn on/ off?
I'd use the Vlog mirror, and disable Servo AF on the Canon Menu with the M otherwise it will hunt. The M50 would be fine only in 1080p with DPAF as 4K doesn't have it. Those lenses I use MF All the time.
@@ZeekEOSZ okay awesome I got the vlog mirror, favourite tool ever, and ill go disable SERVO AF right now, pretty tempted to get the m50 mark ii but I'm gonna try to stick with my Eos M for now! thanks zeek!
@@LouisLuzuka 😎👍
To me the M50 had a tab better sharper image but the 9 year old EOS held it's own. Great video.
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Yes! I've been waiting for this video! Zeek please do another video with the M50. Now I will watch and comment again. 😂
I was left surprised haha! 😎👌
Right. I have an M50 also and I really like the comparison between the two.
They can match very easily. Especially when EOS M RAW is exported as DNG.
@@ZeekEOSZ so if I export eos M as dng, what would be a good process for grading eos M and m50 footage together? The M50 has log profiles installed
@@muddywatersautodetailingpr9866
I used Cinestyle on the M50. When I dropped the clips in DaVinci Resolve they looked already very similar, some were hard to tell apart. You can check my Facebook to see the M50 and EOS M DaVinci Clips together.
Good job, love the cinematic look of the M, and the autofocus on the M50, very interesting comparison, for the test of the dynamic range , using dual iso in 2.5K perharps should be better ?
Well dual ISO is still like beta, it needs more development. It has it's flaws. But in general EOS RAW has more dynamic range than the M50 in video.
Я как раз, только что продал свой eos M, и купил eos M50.
Я сделал выбор в пользу удобства пользования. Картинка видео мне больше нравится с eos m, но автофокус, поворотный экран, видео искатель, и прошивка без глюков для меня перевесели и я всё-таки пользуюсь eos m 50.
Приятно слышать! Ничто не сравнится с камерой, которая делает ту работу, которую вы хотите;)
Здравствуйте, а на М50 есть Magic Lantern или только на eos m?
@@blagorodproduction нет, нету, он по сути и не нужен там.
@@artem_dukhov почему не нужен? М50 же не пишет видео в Рав из коробки
Hi, So I just bought an eos m used. Please guide me where to start,total noob here. I wanna shoot at 2.5k raw. Please share the settings and the ml build. This is gonna be my hobby now.
This is my latest settings video:
ua-cam.com/video/yZfosm3IuZI/v-deo.html
This is a good export/grading tutorial:
ua-cam.com/video/hb3iE5djAt0/v-deo.html
I have more on the channel too.
Welcome to the EOS M Family, my friend, and best wishes with your exciting new hobby! 👍🏾💗 Looking forward to seeing your videos. Cheers.
@@ZeekEOSZ Thanks!
How long can you shoot continuously in 4K with the EOS M? If it's limited to 2 minutes... it looks good but it's worthless.
Great video, but the example shots were a bit short for you to properly see the differences. Good job i have an Eos M so i know what it’s capable of.
Amazing videos Zeek ! thanks you for this. You prefer M50 or Sony ZV 1 ?
I'd prefer ZV1 tbh. It has log profiles.
Hi can you do a comparison how eos m holds up against iphone 13 pro max prores 10 bit video?
Its interesting if someday magic lantern firmware will be available sooner on canon eos m50.
It looks to be in progress, especially with the RP/EOS R. 🎥🔥
why does the eos m looks sharper in many of those clips, especially on the textures of the tree/branches? its hard to believe... haha! man... eos m is like... miraculous.
The RAW higher bitrate preserves more details in shadows. There were several shots that the M was a clear winner with the shadow details.
The M50 4K isn't true 4K it seems, there's some upscaling going on. Also M50 footage is compressed, the footage does look quite soft out of camera so some post sharpening is required.
@@ZeekEOSZ , its 8-BIT 4.2.0 so the scale isn't justified with 4K resolutions because its technically copying pixels, i think. This gives off the illusion that its sharper, at least with Sony cameras. I think Canon lowers the sharpness by default. In general, you cant really trust 8-BIT 4K because the extra resolution needs higher than 8-BIT 4.2.0 DEPTH to justify even 1080p. I edit on a 4K 10-BIT display with decent HDR so the EOS-M shines on it when i look at its original RAW 12-BIT 4.4.4. The majority do not have displays to see true HDR benefits but one day maybe they will haha. Its crazy how companies get away with marketing "HDR, HDR10" TVs but yet the majority of them cant really display HDR content due to being a 8-BIT display with barely enough nits to see a slight change in dynamic range compared to SDR, if any change.
EOS M has far more character to it. I think the M50 is more efficient to use. But the EOS M has that real Arri Alexa vibe to it which I love! Great video Zeek as always!
Tha Ms for the insight. The M50 does do fine for an 8-Bit Camera, but yeah the M has a Magic touch 🤘🔥
Sorry, but this is a bad comparison with the stabilization. You should have tried at least by walking with it. CLOSE CALL? Sorry, you already have said too many cons on the EOS M vs the other.
what is the rig you use for your canon m?
The link should be in the description 👍
EOS M looks sharper then M50, the results from EOS M making an advance perfomance.
Possibly the software from m50 can not match with that hardware realy well, you can never trust of any Version of 1.0 bevore it come near to perfect no matter what it cost
EOS M is clearly sharper and better reproduction/less post processing vs the M50...however I need a camera for my gf to record animals and plants. So m50 with its amenities it is.
Its the same m50 and m1
For social media...
Profesional C500
Would it be OK to Put a C-Mount lens on a C-mount to EF adapter app-on an EF to EFM speed booster?
yeahh not so close after all, the whole point is not comparing the resolution alone but the usability also. m50 easily records an interview in 4k, something simple that can't be done with the m+ ML
Which camera u record this video
Sony A7C
RAW is KING ever at lower resolutions
Love it 👌🔥
Loved the halation I could see off the wet rocks, it really gives it a film like quality. I wonder why it doesnt appear in the M50.
The M50 lacks dimension because the video is compressed. The M has more flexibility as it shoots RAW.
Can you test the low light performance of these cameras? I missed this comparison in your video. :)
The M50 would win as it's compressed video, raw will need a little denoising in post or some processing. I noticed in the first comparison of the tree scrlene, the M was a bit noisier in the shadows. Thanks to UA-cam Compression you can't tell as much 😎👍
@@ZeekEOSZ wouldnt it help to filter the noise out with darks? Because of RAW the M should be superior over the M50 shouldnt it? Its just a guess tho.
Mlv is free to download ? Can be used to do colour grading for any movie ?
Does the EOS M allow you to play back the footage in camera ? I’ve been talking to some people and they say they switched to the OG bmpcc for that exact reason. If so what are the work arounds for it ?
Yes you can playback footage but at a low fps as it goes through the raw frames. You can see it better once the files are imported into MLV App.
@@ZeekEOSZ gotcha ! Thank you
Great video comparison Zeek, I love my EOS M but I also own the M50 great for stills and with these comparisons great for video as well it seems, can't wait for the work in progress to open up the M50, it will be awesome
ML on the M50 would be superb! 🔥
Hi Zeek! Quick question: would it work the AF in the 55-250 with ML when recording 2.5 or 2.8K? Really appreciate your videos!!
Zeeeeeeek
Wow!! the 2.8K is really a close call!!
How many eos m you have:)?
Had 5, now about 4.
Hi Zeek! First of all, thanks for your work on this channel! Just bought EOS M because of its price (M50 costs too much for me). So, I just wanted to ask about EOS M for vlogging. Few times I saw your examples with your sister sitting opposite the camera. Did you use 5k preset in all those examples? If not, which presets you can recommend for vlogging purposes with continuous record time? (simple 1080 mode has aliasing, I don't think it's a good choice).
You can use a monitor or a vlogging mirror. I would use 5K FRTP or 1080 mode and enable X3 crop with a wide angle lens like the 11-22mm or 10-18mm. I plan on making a video about this too. 👍
@@ZeekEOSZ Sounds good. Thanks a lot! But why would u use crop mode with wide angle lense if you can use basic 18mm+ lense without any crop? Or crop is not really necessary (sorry for that kind of questions, i'm really new to this..)
@@mikejaputz5570 No that's okay. The crop removes aliasing. It's very clean compared to the uncropped 1.6x 1080 mode. All you do is press the "set" button and your in X3 crop modes, press it again and you're out of it. So it's a choice 👍
any suggestions for a really wide cine lens like cosmicar but wider then 16? i love the look of the vintage cine but would like maybe 10mm or wider...do-able?
I use the cosmicar 12.5mm. There is also schneider 10mm, zeiss 10mm and angenieux 10mm. There are also 12.5-75mm c mount lenses
Canon EOS M footage wins hands-down every shot. Nice result.
😎👍
you think ML will come for EOS R ???
Possible, as for time, I don't know.
There is currently progress for ML and the R/RP.
@@ZeekEOSZ ohhh.. wow i hope it comes for R/RP ... you the best thanks for the reply
Sir iam confuse which one should i buy for magic lantern raw video should i buy canon 700d or Eos M
Up to you. Flip screen vs speedbooster + more lens options. I personally prefer Eos m.
Hey zeek great video ...i just bought the eos m and I don't know which lens i should buy ...i want to do short films and b rolls and photography 😅 so basically everything but I'm on a tight budget (around $90) thanks ✌️
Canon EF-m Pancake 22mm, 7Artisans 25mm or Meike 25mm F1.8 are good too, otherwise 15-45/18-55 Kit.
thanks zeek ...take care :D
@@gokugoku1699 😉👍
@@gokugoku1699 The *7Artisans 25mm* (which, as you may know, becomes a 40mm field of view on the EOS M, because of the 1.6 crop) is one of the best cheap lenses you can buy for the EOS M. You can get it cheap on Wish dot com, although it generally takes longer to arrive than via Amazon or Ebay at a higher price. Except for the 22mm, you can buy any of these cheap lenses used and get them for well under $90 USD. Best Wishes!
Thanks so much for the info man😃✌️...all the best
Yeah, it looks like I need to find another canon eos M instead of murder my savings account to buy the m50. I was hesitant to buy the c lens, it looks its gonna be a worth it purchase. BTW master Zeek, I'm hoping to see soon your opinion on which full frame canon to use with magic lantern and what would be the benefits.
Best Full Frame Canon is 5D3. No aliasing in 1080p, and has SD + CF Card Slot.
Good job, love the cinematic look of the M, and the autofocus on the M50, very interesting comparison, for the test of the dynamic range , using dual iso in 2.5K perharps should be better ?
Dual ISO unfortunately isn't fully developed and has little colour cast flickering issues.
The M50 has Magic Lantern firmware for it too, right?
@Zeek. Can you share the picture profile settings you used on the m50 and/or the lut you work with on it? thanks.
I used Cinestyle, just dropped the files into Davinci without using LUTs. I just corrected exposure.
@@ZeekEOSZ Oh, sounds pretty easy. Thanks
What's the viewfinder you use for the EOS M? I didn't see it in the description.
It's a Viewfinder V6 for the EOS M/3" screens. It's magnetic. You need to stick a frame on the EOS M Screen and then attach the viewfinder.
Hey Zeek, great couple of videos I watched, I just discovered you. I just had a quick look at Magic Lantern's page, I only see the EOS M camera being supported there, but it looks like you are using ML on the EOS M50 with it no problems it seems, is just not fully supported or such? I'm considering getting the EOS M50 cause of the dual pixel focusing and the articulated screen, rather than the EOS M, even though I did like it quite a lot, but very hard to see the screen, I'm getting old and my eye sight is failing me.
I had a EOS M a few years ago and was using ML firmware on it with good results, although the latest Canon firmware would render ML un usable, is that still the case or has it been updated to work with the latest Canon EOS M firmware? Thanks for the great videos, I'll keep looking :)
The M50 has no Magic Lantern Raw. Development hasn't progressed much hence no news. The is magic lantern for the latest Eos m build but it's still a bit sketchy. You're better off with Firmware 2.0.2
Thanks for the reply. Take care Zesk.
Zeek, when you talk about 2.5K, 3K, 4K, or 5K on the M these numbers are the HORIZONTAL resolution of the video. Video folks know that when one talks about 720, 1080, and 2160 one is talking about the number of VERTICAL lines that DEFINE HD, FHD, and UHD (also called 4K). No matter the ML setting, you can't get true HD (1280x720) or FHD (1920x1080) which means you are shooting SD which is anything less than 720-lines. Although if you give-up an 14 bits, or maybe even 12-bits, you can get up to 1080-lines, but not exactly 1920x1080. To scale with quality you need to use Super Scale in Resolve Studio. One can not simply scale--the image gets smaller/larger but quality is lost. (See the lack of skin detail in many videos.) And to get the benefit of RAW, one needs 14-bit data. Also, for video-film the frame-rate must be 23.976 with a 1/48th shutter. So many ML releases simply can't meet these specs. And, locking ISO to 100 makes a camera useless for most people who don't shoot midday, outdoors. Sorry.
using mlv app on windows 10, trying to convert from .mlv, to which ever I like. after export, mlv app says ''export is ready'', but when I go to locate my file, it's not there. and no amount of windows searching finds it, maybe mlv app, doesn't like windows 10??
When you load MLV App, don't remove that black pop up window otherwise it may cause disruption with the export.
See how that goes, if not, then You can communicate this in the ML Forum for MLV APP:
www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=20025.msg235904;topicseen#msg235904
@@ZeekEOSZ thanks mate will suss it tomorrow. 👍
Thanks again Zeek, worked fine next time around after downloading an x64 version of mlv app, and also, I notched a whole bunch of files that I assume need to stay in the original dir. and also, the CMD .BIN thing seems to work too! Thanks! keep the video's coming!
Please reply, the M3 and m50 which one is better?
M50
Как всегда красивые кадры!
You could use two SD cards, one for ML, and one for Canon in the EOS. Great video! Did you use green screen? Love the small detail work of zooming in and audio is👌
No green screen haha 😂 cheers!
Is the EOS M the R5 Killer? How knowledge is power and saves money. Stay in school kids! Stay humble! Have a strong relationship with Jesus Christ our Lord.
Where did you Buy EOS m50 camara Cage ?
Can u show how we can use magic lantern in m50?
It's not running on the M50, otherwise I'd love to.
I live for the days they will get magic lantern on later canons, can you imagine what the M50 would be able to do if it had magic lantern as well? If it can do 4K itself as is, imagine what it could do with magic lantern.
At some point the Canon R5C for example (the 8K 60fps monster) will get it to and that will be the end of any new camera. If you can get super detail on a 200$ camera because of the pirate firmware, then when it becomes available on later models it will be out of this world.
Another great video!
Is it possible to use the M with Magic Lantern and record directly to PC, rather than an SD?
Only to SD with the EOS M.
I think it depends on the lens that you used for the M.
The OG M looked sharper in some parts but overall made me feel better of my M50
Do you also use Magic Lantern on your EOS M50 ?
I can't, not available
Hi Zeek! Is ML available on m50 or only Canon M?
Only the M unfortunately
Sir can i record 1080p raw continuously on canon eos m and on 700d
Yes
And the clear winner is EOS-M.
😲
The M50 4K was pretty good though 😜
@@ZeekEOSZ WAS, until you made the comparison. bhahahaha!! you are just increasing the rate of EOSM wokeness mate. cheers!
@@DavidLow Haha true 👍
Wow I found my new favorite UA-cam channel haha 🙌 It would be great if you could do a video on your color grading workflow in Davinci for how you got the m50 footage to look like the EOS M. Whenever I try to color grade from a flat picture profile it looks terrible loll
I just chuck the clips onto the timeline with the DaVinci settings mentioned here:
ua-cam.com/video/hb3iE5djAt0/v-deo.html
I plan on doing another video with the M50.
@@ZeekEOSZ Cool thanks for linking that video. Looking forward to the upcoming one (:
is the m2 fully compatible with the G6 Plus G6 Max? On thier site on says M3 up is? Thinking wifi wise?
I read some articles. And it says EOS M50 at base ISO 100 gives out 13.4 stops of dynamic range. What do you think?
Zeek have you tried 16mm f1.4 sigma
No I haven't
Hey Zeek, short question. I got an EOS M and a autofocus lense from Canon. The Autofocus works great at Pictures, but there is no chaning Autofocus if I shot a video right? Its a bumper right now because I need to ajust the focus all the time while shooting a video.
that 321 fight intro was 😆
I installed magic lantern in my eos m n camera got so slow. Not performing normal. I got the 8gb card. So any solution for that?
Use SanDisk Extreme PRO 64GB and above
I have tried twice to get Magic Lantern to be stable on the EOS M, but it has crashed both times and the recommended settings I have found so far are not really working. I'd love to know what version of the software you are using and what your settings are. Your footage looks great!
Have you tried Crop Mood?
sd card is the most important thing for stablity
No magic lantern for M50?
Ребята, все ваши видео отстой по той причине, что сами кадры теста вы делаете 3 секунды, ничего не успеваю понять. Вы можете снимать не своё лицо и как вы ходите, а снять наконец кадры с тестирующих камер в разных условиях?????
Сделай это, сделай больше самого видео теста, а не свой бесполезный разговор и перебивки
Hey Zeek! Do you know if the 650D/t4i performs as well as the EOS M with ML RAW 2.5k? Seems to have more or less similar architecture w DIGIC 5 processor. Looking for something that matches the EOS M picture quality.
650D/700D should be fine. They just don't get the adaptability to speedboosters and other lenses. Those cameras should do fine, though I've never seen their footage with 2.5K Raw.
@@ZeekEOSZ yeah that’s what I was thinking. I have 2 x EOS M w speed boosters and I’m thinking a 650D or 750D will compliment them beautifully for a 3 camera shoot utilising ML auto restart recording for constant coverage. Plan is to stagger recording start for redundancy and to shoot a set up from 3 seperate angles simultaneously. I have multiple lenses and can rent if need be. Thoughts?
@@RhythmicEye
Yeah that should be fine. Not sure of the recording limits with those cameras in 2.5K, should be similar to the M. The 650D/700D should be a good addition. There's more info on the ML Forum around these cameras 😎👍
@@ZeekEOSZ yeah after all these years I finally joined the ML forum. It’s a fantastic resource but overwhelming at first, I’m still in stealth mode as I see the devs get a bit annoyed at people asking repeatedly the same questions. Great collaborative group though. Hopefully I can contribute something of value soon. Thanks for all you do!, greatly appreciated.
@@RhythmicEye Never be afraid to ask questions haha 😉👌🔥
No problem, good luck!
imagine m50 having ML. . .(probably will never happen)
Obvious question, why no ML on the M50?
These developments take a lot of time and it's all free work. So it's up to the developers if they have the time.
It does seem like there is progress though, especially for the EOS R/RP.
Apparently the firmware of the camera has to be based on dslr which is not the case for the m50
M50 brings in more light and less cropped - that’s a better choice
Its all about man behind the gun
Zeek es mi pastor y nada me faltara 🙏
No
😆😂🤘🎥🔥
😂😂😂😂
11:00 59.94 FPS are *NOT* 60 FPS...
Love your videos, Zeek! Quick question, will I be able to use track mode on Ronin-SC using the EOS M?
I haven't used the Ronin before. The M has no wi-fi/Bluetooth, but if it's only the smartphone & gimbal it should be okay
@@ZeekEOSZ Thanks mate! Your work is really good and helpful. Have a good day. :)
@@bnhmb6523 Cheers 👍
Have you tried magic lantern on the M50?
There is no ML on M50
I have eos m, but in the settings there's no 2.5K video.. just FHD 1080. give me the tricks 🙏
Latest Builds are here:
bitbucket.org/Dannephoto/magic-lantern_jip_hop_git/downloads/
@@ZeekEOSZ Do you have the instructions how to use them?
@@PemburuDollar17 in my settings videos , yes
@@ZeekEOSZ Thank you
how does the m50 perform with magic lantarn?