CANON EOSM IS NOT FOR YOU!
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- Опубліковано 21 лют 2022
- CANON EOSM IS NOT FOR YOU!
Over the yaers ive seen various videos discrediting the Canon Eosm and magic lantern. As a long time user, here are my thoughts on why maybe the canon eosm is not for you.
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Is there anything anyone can do with the M WITHOUT mentioning Zeek? Lol. Dude deserves a medal.
Lol I tried but I can't deny the help he gave me in the early days 😁
Zeek is the eos m king!!!
he is by far the King of M ;)
@@Altcine I’m late to this comment, but I should 3d model my man Zeek a EosM crown LOL, he deserves one
POV: You arrive in Australia with Eos M in hand (stock battery, old ML build) go to the underground Eos M meetup at golden hour by the water with pretty girls dancing around all the bros with their rigged out M's, someone's like "You're the new guy here, that over there's Zeek, better known as MK." "What does MK mean?" "Ha-ha you don't know? M-KING"
The walk before you can run advice is so true. I started with my t3i and ML, immediately trying to record raw. All it did was make me not want to record because I couldn't record for more than 4 seconds max. Ultimately, I grabbed my camera and went outside and just started recording in 1080. It's way better to get out in the world and start moving and improving than to stay glued to youtube. You're going to learn more in the first 20 minutes of shooting than the 2 weeks you spend watching tutorials. Not that learning from UA-cam is bad, it's amazing. But, there needs to be a balance of practice vs consuming tutorial content.
Nailed it! I can imagine how the frustration got to you and can kill the initial feelings of excitement.
Then when you notice that a lot of clients are fine with 8bit/10bit you have to start questioning things. I know raw is great but I've been in the position where I'm shooting celebs and they don't care about the camera for their web series...just good light, sound & a clean image.....I'm really starting to look at things differently lately.
Also that was a good example you made about learning via spending time on UA-cam and only real life scenarios can prepare you.
Thank for the comment 👍🏾👍🏾
Well stated! I started on UA-cam about 14 years ago... with a Olympus TG-1 ( picked-up a cople of Canon's since, a T1i and a Powershot 540HS). Took a break from shooting videos for UA-cam when I moved to Nevada a few years ago. I returned to creating for my UA-cam channel about a year and a half ago. Have been shooting and posting with my cellphone. Going to dust off my old gear and get shooting with them again.
Your words are very wise. I have actually moved "down" to the EOS-M from more expensive DSLRs, because the EOS-M with ML forces you to think and try to understand what is going on. It is a humbling experience, but a very constructive one. I am enjoying it more than any other film tool I have used before. Thank you for all you do.
Bro....you nailed it! I don't think a lot of people understand that wisdom...when something forces you think more about what you do...you get much better and resilient in the long run.
There is still an element of excitement using the eos-m that keeps you on your toes.
Thanks for the comment, really appreciate it.
That’s like saying I gave up my house to be homeless, being homeless forced me to eat out of the dumpster it’s humbling and IMCE replied nailed it 😂😂💀💀💀
@@boomboombaby9140 It's about being in control of the camera, rather than the camera controlling you. But one is free to choose.
@@theodoreivanov6257 in the video he said shooting in the day and certain times in the day will give you the best footage the magic hour . With the fx30 you can shoot anything of the day even at night it will look like magic hour .I understand what he was talking about a long time ago I had a t5i and I got the best footage when the sun was in a certain spot or when a cloud covers it . Actually the camera is in control because it will give you the best images a certain time of the day . The fx30 will give you Netflix quality anytime anywhere
@@boomboombaby9140 OK
yo, cheers from Brazil mate! your videos have been really important to me because i'm a freshman in cinema at college, i needed a camera and had basically no money, Zeek showed me Magic Lantern and he's a really cool dude and love his work but I really wanted to see it getting used for real professional shooting, as i might have to do it until i get another camera, so it's great seeing someone showing that it isnt just about making 15 sec clips of "cinematic footage" as some other people here do, you need to go further!
Hey Marcos, thank you for the comment and fantastic you're at film school....I've always thought about taking a small class myself.
Yes the eos-m is definitely capable and perfect for you to get experience. Just make sure you don't get too bogged down with buying lenses and all sorts of stuff and put what you've learned into practice 🙌🏾🙌🏾 all the best bro and hopefully I get to watch one of your productions soon.
Great advice and inspiring as always🙏🏻 Just the push I needed to put it into more practice. Much Love💜
Awesome bro. Like anything this market is a hard road....but it can be done!
When you work on other people's bigger productions, it's often hard to remember to go out and do your own thing even if it's just a short scene for fun, or a music video for some friends' band. I've been using cheaper cameras for creative work since the days of hi8 and dvcam. Last night I put down my phone and ordered an Eos M! Love your videos. Your advice is right on the mark.
Yeah that's true. It sounds like you've been in the game for a while and have lots of experience though.
But yes...doing your own stuff is very rewarding 👍🏾👍🏾 Awesome that you've ordered an Eos-M, right on time for the new build that's just been released.
Make sure you join the group, thousands of us there if you ever need help.
This was one of the best encouragement vids about just sticking with the learning process - thank you. I ventured out into the magic lantern land mainly with Canon 50D. Currently I'm knee deep in the mud - I don't wanna retreat back, but at the same time swimming with the dolphins seems to be further away than I initially though. Even discovering that some button malfunctions are part of the ML change over was a hard earned experience😃
Thank you 🙌🏾 and yes I know it's not easy. The best magic lantern experience is on the Eos-M & 5d2 & 3. With the others it's doable but you just gotta tinker until you get something.
Stick at it though...magic lantern is a great teacher.
We can make a club. The knee mud club.😂😂
Thanks, that's very inspiring! Just got the eos-m, today got ml and absolutely messed up in settings in just 40 minutes even in 1080, got a bit mad, now screen is all in red lines, lol. Will start over :)
That's it bro, just start over...it'll all make sense soon and you'll be out there doing all sorts of things. You'll learn so much with this camera if you persevere 🙌🏾🙌🏾
Congrats on working with Showstudio! Love Nick Knight's images. Was thinking of getting a eos-m and try magic lantern but I already have an Fujifilm x-t3. As After watching this I realized buying this isn't going to make a difference for me. Just need to film more regardless
Thank you, yes it was a great opportunity 🙌🏾
The Fuji line up is great and definitely something you can get good images from.
Question: Can the EOS-M be triggered with a USB cable, for using with Xangle Camera Server or Dragon Frame?
My man! Great video. How much more can you learn before start shooting? Spot on! This was (and to some degree IS) my problem exactly. By the way, my favorite mode is 5k anamorphic frtp. Because it has no aliasing. Even though it's not real 5k I like it anyway. But yeah, 1080p is the most stable mode, however the aliasing is killing me in this mode. I will try to buy a PRO Mist filter because soft lenses can't help with aliasing (I own similar that you mentioned, and a few vintage lenses). Thanks again for the video!
Thank you, appreciate the comment bro.
Yeah 5kfrtp is a great mode and it's crazy that the Devs have found so many cool ways to navigate around the issues this camera has.
I definitely think one should progress down the line and seems you know it well. I just don't get it when people try this setup for 2 weeks then put out a video complaining about it lol
Thank you for the comment 🙏🏾
@@Altcine , my pleasure bro. Yeah, I agree that people can give up too early. But to be frank, if not the 14bit colors I would run away a long time ago. I mean, this picture (especially with a good light ;))... It's just mesmerizing. You need to shell out around 20 times more for a good camera to get similar picture without the compromises of the EOS M and Magic Lantern. Just buy a good glass, audio, and some lights, and shoot with EOS M. And shoot a LOT. Do it for free at first. Create a showreel. And when you start making some money, then and only then upgrade.
@@realad88 that's it bro... have a plan and work to sharpen those skills 👌🏾👌🏾
You are so right about the learning curve with ML. it does take a little time to find your way around the menu. but it is well worth the effort.✌
Definitely bro, and the great thing is it teaches you about other brands too because the menu is quite in-depth.🙌🏾
Expecting an EOS M delivery from Japan (EBay) soon, included a manual lens Minolta ROKKOR. Can’t wait to start shooting raw video but indeed want to start from scratch with the good old 1080p. Your link to the download site is not the one from ML…
I see two downloads.
A small and a large file size.
What do I have to download for starting in 1080p…?
Thanks a lot by the way for your contribution.
Spot on, the amount of options cause trouble. As you pointed out just stick to what works & get experience.
Filmmaking is creative problem solving at its best.
Hey Ricky 👏🏾👏🏾 exactly bro..just keep it simple at the start and work on creativity.
good video man, good advice. I haven't got an OS M yet, but I've been meaning to try magic lantern for years on my other camera. On the EOS M, are there a lot of other bit rates available if one wants to NOT shoot in Raw?
Thank you 👍🏾👍🏾 Yes you can increase the bit-rate for normal recording. It not a WOW difference but it definitely helps.
The only problem is you could be left with focus dots etc so definitely try it before you shoot anything meaningful.
@@Altcine Thanks man
Absolutely loved this video mate and the fact that you made the time to respond to every comment says a lot about you. Stay blessed.
Hi mate, great and concise video. Do you have any tips for recording people/faces?
Hey man, thank you.. I think the same rules apply when shooting with any camera ie exposure and lighting.
The only tip I can give outside of the usual rules is when using 1080p for the most reliable recording, things like glasses and necklaces can cause aliasing and moiré. Also stripes on shirts etc can cause artefacts so just pay attention to what client is wearing.
@@Altcine Ah ok perfect, thank you so much for the advice man!
How long EOS M can record ini raw 1080p?
I've been learning about film for a few years now and I'm just starting to understand that the lighting can make or break your footage. The lens matters, the body matter but I think lighting is atleast 50 percent of it.
Yes that's true👌🏾👌🏾 lens and body are less than that though imo....I'd say light takes an extremely high percentage but it's just an opinion 😁
Magic Lantern is most definitely not for me lol! Great video man, love the fact that your friend has a movie on Netflix shot on magic lantern. Everytime i see these guys in the groups asking if the GH6 or whatnot is netflix approved i just chuckle a little. Like you said, just go out and shoot.
Looool you've moved on now 😁 Imagine me posting this on the Blackmagic group....there'd be a witch-hunt for me lol
I bought a eos m because i upgraded to a bmpcc6kpro and now i dont really have a small camera to always have with me- even though its hands on i now have a fun point and shoot sized camera that i can bring with me, and actually use the clips that turn out great for b-roll. Great for those fun days out where you dont want to bring or risk an expensive camera.
That's such a good use for it bro and I think you're the textbook on why we still use the m even though we have more capable cam's. 🙌🏾🙌🏾
You are wise man :)
You say more things in simple and practical way then all "new camera hypers". Thanks for motivation and giving me more focused mindset :)
Great video and insight as always, and I agree. I just wanna mention your eye line, you must be looking into a monitor - but it's like your looking over the viewer's head, when you do look into the lens, we connect with you more naturally. :))
Thank you Chaplin. I fully understand....the camera level was definitely off.
It's the first time I used this setup so thanks to you and another person I now know how to fix it.
Thank you
which is better for video between the canon eosm and the sony alpha 5100?
Depends on what you're buying the camera for. If it's to learn about raw video and colour grading then eos-m.
If it's for making UA-cam videos, capturing events etc then the Sony will be more reliable.
I think the a5100 with a speedbooster and decent lenses will produce a good image without fuss.
The eos-m is like magic but it it does have its problems.
is it safe to buy a used camera ?
Man you have a great future in this business, I’m coming up behind you.
Thank you bro, hopefully one day we can work together 🙌🏾
What is the best mode for unlimited time raw without crop (without moire/aliasing) ?
Youd be looking at 5kfrtp or 2.8k. But you're always going to get a crop of some sort.
The only way to offset this is to get a very wide lens.
@@Altcine how much crop for this mode?
@@toxotis70 are you a member of the Facebook group? There's a fantastic comparison made of overlays by a user called Belal
m.facebook.com/groups/375018026655820/permalink/988744158616534/
Nice one Bro. Step by step is the key. Problems will arise always with ML. However they are solvable once you understand the menus and you don't throw the camera out of the window at the first obstacle. After that ...It's a breeze understanding it and all that's left is the creativity inside the soul!. Speak soon bro!
That's it bro, 100% agree with all your statement and that's why it has this cult following because some people have mastered it.
I'm truly shocked by some of the great content I've seen made with this camera.
I understand what you saying, I have seen some comments on some of my EOS M recorded videos where people are like "why?" just get something better.
I guess the fun is in the journey and not many understand that.
Good point bro and your guess is right!!! The journey is great, the people you meet and the excitement of it all.
I would never have met the guys I currently do paid work with (on other cams) Wilson from Brazil and probably wouldn't be doing cinematography if it wasn't for the eos-m so you can see how this cheap camera changed my life.
Sorry to turn your comments to "about me" but one more example. I used to love flying manual drones, the excitement that full control was in your abilities alone was very enjoyable. I moved to Parrot & Dji and the fun went away.
Yes I was getting better footage but I didn't have to try and that kinda ruined the hobby. I should have went fpv but the drone thing passed.
The eos-m keeps things fresh for us and gives us new perspective what and really teaches you how to overcome most other camera's limitations.
Just subbed to your channel as it's my kind of content 😁🙌🏾🙌🏾
@@Altcine no you haven't turned the comment about yourself. You are talking about the things that are real, the good stuff, the real world experiences.
Thanks for the sub, I provide G.A.S Support as a way to justify my own purchases, its not a good thing. I know exactly what you mean, limitation encourages growth, sometimes boosts creativity. Otherwise after a while everyone's footage, review, blog looks and sounds the same, right? . Did I mention I learned a lot from your videos .
@@SuperSlackOff awesome, I'm glad you understood where I was coming from 😁
Ahhh man GAS is a real problem lol at some point it settles down though. This is what I mean about being "over qualified " we spend so much time on the gear and not shooting but it does go away when you get busier.
Yeah I'm going to binge watch you channel and see what I can learn👌🏾 thank you for watching and commenting
@@Altcine I have to warn you that my stuff is a bit amateurish though, but very personal, like old UA-cam before monetization.
@@SuperSlackOff Bro, don't worry...I respect the sharing of information....not how pretty things look.
It's like those videos shot on a mobile phone telling you how to fix your car. Nobody cares about the quality when you're saving hundreds of pounds 🤣
Great video! The EOS M still has plenty of possibility in it. Which Magic Lantern camera did your friend shoot Taxi Driver with?
Thank you. Mate.....it's unreal what you can do with this camera, I absolutely love it.
He used a 5dmkii or iii can't remember exactly but definitely a 5d.
He actually used it on one of recent films too along side an arri. They needed a motorbike helmet shot so they used that for it's versatility.
@@Altcine That'a awesome! Notice 2 looks awesome! I play with my EOS M when I have moments. To my eye, I could sneak some footage in with a higher res camera, and it might not be that noticeable.
@@adrianneely5882 ahhh cheers man...movie was a struggle but a great learning process.
I think you're right! Nobody would notice and still wouldn't even of you told them.
I'm trying to get out more with the m myself. I got so serious that I kinda just saw things as work & money. Trying to get that love of random shoots again.
@@Altcine Amen. Trying to make money causes all of us to lose that sense of play for a moment. I've been finding it again lately.
@@adrianneely5882 Yes bro that's right!!! I'm enjoying filming for fun again.
What did he used which camera for Netflix film
We had a long conversation on phone with lots of information passed but I'm sure he said it was a 5d2.
I'm working on a cool EOS-M short... Last project before I go after my 1hr movie. I rewatched this to reignite my EOS-M 🧠 now that I've completed my Panasonic GH 🧠
Awesome brother...I can't wait to see it... SERIOUSLY 🙌🏾🙌🏾
So i was thinking buying eos m for 200$ should i got as a beginner i thought spending 1000-1500$ on cinema camera is lil bit off so should i get eos m or increase my budget and buy other….if want to inc then which camera should i go for
Hi Noty,,
The first thing you must realise that magic lantern is not official fw and can have bugs.
That being said, if you learn about it and don't follow the high resolution race then you can have a good experience with it.
I started out with the eosm as my very first camera and don't regret it one bit. It taught me a lot about raw, cinematography and grading raw images and as you can tell I'm still a big fan despite owning quite a few other cams.
The outlay is very cheap so if you don't like it you can easily sell it. Btw which country are you in because $200 seems a bit high unless it comes with a lens?
I would have recommended a bmpcc OG but the prices have gone crazy so there is nothing....NOTHING in the price range of the m that will shoot raw...just know you have to know what you're doing so join the Facebook group if possible.
@@Altcine yoooooo i bought it today for 175$ incl basic kit lens 18-55mm and i guess it would be a great start for my journey thank you for your suggestion. :)
Hey, great price 😁🙌🏾🙌🏾 there's good deals if you look around and that's what people need to do ...don't rush and pay over the odds just because there's a bit of hype going around.
Make sure you join the group in description and if you have any issues ..it's probably been asked many times already or we can help you.
@@Altcine thankk you bro appreciate it, your videos re greaaaat loved it, sure i will be joining the group
yo i cant find the group link can u re share it
Oh the uproar you're about to cause 😂. I know we've discussed this already about just shooting and not getting bogged down in the technical aspects. I'm actually thinking we shouldn't share settings and just encouraging shooting video. Emphasis going to story and content instead. Pull people out of the comfy B-roll zone.
😅😅 yes bro....I can imagine some people from the community not liking certain comments and I think my nervousness came across in this video.
I do stand by what I'm saying though, we...the old hats need to build this community more and show how powerful the camera is but it seems like everyone just loves B-roll & settings videos.
I think this is why people tinker then move on without creating at least one meaningful project.
@@Altcine well I personally back all you said. There's no growth if you continue to follow the line. Sometimes you have to leave it and forge a new path.
@@titaniumshell thanks mate, that means a lot coming from you as you're very active in the community 🙌🏾
Excellent advice. Thank you.
this video is actually very inspiring. i hope i can get my hands on a canon eos m one of these days
Respect Hasan 🙌🏾 are they not available where you are?
i've honestly looked everywhere in my country and i can't find any. i'll have to have it shipped from overseas 👍🏼
and to be fair, it is kind of for a niche audience so i wasn't expecting to find it here anyway. but recently ive really gotten into your videos and zeek's and they're really helped a lot. cheers habibi 💙
@@noureddinehasan Ahh I understand. I spoke to a few people from different regions who had trouble getting them.
Hopefully you come across one soon as it's a great tool to get.
Blessings my bro and thank you for watching & commenting.
Well the Fujifilm xt-4 is a pretty good all rounder, even for a aps c sensor.
Xt4 is fantastic
too sharp and contrasty for film making.but great for retro photos
Still trying to walk…
It seems install was ok, but after check the ML menu and press shutter half, I go back to normal canon live view…
Another great vid. feelin’ inspired to get out of my b-roll hole!
Do it bro! You can create videos about anything! Spec ads, a 1 min short...even a tutorial about a passion you have.
As long as it forces you to be creative and requires some level of planning you'll learn so much.
And thank you for watching & commenting.
Thoroughly enjoyed your message; thank you.
Thank you, I'm glad 👍🏾👍🏾
This is why before I purchase the EOSM and Magic Lantern I'm going to learn as much as I can about it before I purchase it. I've been using my EOS M50 for awhile now and I want to take this on as a project.
That's the way forward. I see so many people dissatisfied with the process but it's not always the users fault.
I notice a lot of people either show the good parts or completely trash it .
@@Altcine I want to take this on and build out another cinema rig with the EOS M and Magic Lantern and learn as much as I can. It'll be nice having four cameras instead of three.
@@UnauthorizedCreations I hope it works out well 👍🏾👍🏾
Can we get a behind the scenes for audio setup
I need help with my audio bro lol it's something I don't spend enough time on
@@Altcine same here brother
great vid! eos m is still pretty stunning for 2022.
Thank you 😊 yes man....it's still doing good things.
Greetings, sorry but can you do a review on the new magic latern update to which it is said to allow to shot more than 15 minutes on 2.8k raw mode
Zeek spoke about it on his new video he uploaded two weeks ago.
Hi, I will very soon 👍🏾👍🏾
@@Altcine thanks and am switching the notification bell on.
@@birianination7097 yeah that's right, I saw his post on the Eos-M group.
I had a few issues myself so will start a third round of testing asap.
@@AltcineHi how is the testing going
Man I have OG Eos M - it's really a gig for geeks :) It's cool for creative, short clips, but for real life filmmaking it's pretty quirky :) I think the best alternative (and cheap too) is BlackMagic Pocket Cinema Camera - original (1080p) - PRORES recording in camera it's greeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeat.
Yeah I hear that, you really have to be careful with it. I actually did a video titled 1080p kings.
When I got my BMPCC OG they were reasonably cheap...I paid £350ish. Now people are asking ridiculous amounts for them. It really is a great camera but the price is too high now.
@@Altcine Absolutely. I was watching YT videos on how great they are, and now they cost over 1,000. FML
I'm just new to photography and have a Canon 10D and stumbled onto the EOSM/Magic Lantern setups and omg... I'm on Soc Sec (that's ole people's dole for you Brits) so my $$ is very limited but I may try to save up for some of the ideas I've seen. Thank you for this one, sir !
Hey bro,
You can still learn on the 10D so that's a good thing.
Also you might want to look up 650d or 700d. They work very well with ml now and you might find a better deal than the Eos-M.
@@Altcine Oh.... my. :) Thank you very much, I will allow myself to feel perked up and delve into yon suggestions. Yup yup. Ahhh, the joys of hunting down info. Back in the mid 80s ws taking a lil' break from NYC and we rented an off season room at the end of Long Island in October. Dark storms, windy as fuck, and I had a lil' boombox with SW. And I discovered some Numbers Stations. Turned the holiday into creeepiness, and mystery. Decades later I find out I was hearing the Lincolnshire Poacher among other things. So, ty interthenets for fast info. Thanks Altcine, muchly.
@@janedagger sounds like a nightmare 🤣🤣.
No probs brother, anytime 🙌🏾
@@Altcine Hi Alt, I have a question if you don't mind. I'm looking at the 600D and it looks like a good fit... however, I'm also playing with lenses, have a Konica to EF adapter which works well on the 10D. My focus cos of the tiny viewfinder is awful and really lke that live view. Can the 600D handle manual F/stops made on my lens? Or will it just dump its lunch? ty in advance.
@@janedagger if you plan to use magic lantern then it's 650d or 700d...not 600.
The 100d works too but I've never used it so can't give feedback on that.
Everything from you 10d should work fine on the above camera's 👌🏾👌🏾
Bro very distracting when you look above the camera...
Look straight into the lens next time as always very value info💪
Oh damn...really? I actually was looking into the camera lens apart from when I was thinking about what to say. So does it look like I'm not looking at the lens at all?
I've been thinking about using a teleprompter so I'm continually focused but can't be bothered to type it all out lol.
Thanks you and thanks for feedback.
I see what you mean bro, it's just when my eyes look around the room👌🏾👌🏾
ARRIs LOOK LIKE CRAP IN LOW LIGHT TOO.
Those 12800 ISO fanboys cringed! Lol Man i loved that, you look like a father putting senses to those kids.
Yeah I have a soft lens until I can get my own mist filter
Soft lenses can work great in certain circumstances and really help with 1080p on eos-m
@@Altcine definitely
I've almost given up twice with Magic Lantern on my EOS M. Almost.
I hear you bro! Sometimes it is very taxing and frustrating but it can work.
Honestly the best way is to find was to shoot in 1080p. Look for ways to avoid aliasing patterns etc
@@Altcine Yer right, 1080p seems to work for me without too much head scratching. I tried the 2K preset as I have a c-mount TV lens to try...so far that's not been playing as expected....even if I follow Zeek to the letter.
Well said matey, fab vid, all the best
Thank you 🙌🏾🙌🏾
You're absolutely right, we need to shoot more and stop faffing about in the settings.
💯 mate! I've been seeing some great stuff pip up lately but we definitely need more quality content.
You sir just earned yourself a subscriber.
Thank you, I appreciate every single sub 🙌🏾
Audio is good 👍🏿
Thank you 😁
So true
Every camera is a tool. If you know how to use eosm it can be even better than arri without knowlege how to use it.
Absolutely! Interesting fact that Apke, the guy I mentioned in this video shot one of his later films on a big boy camera but still used magic lantern for a helmet cam shot.
Great advice
ok let's watch this guyss... hi sir cole
Helloooo 😁
Man said they become over qualified 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
It's like the Microsoft bing ads....too much information.
Lmaoooo over qualified I literally believe that
I don't know how I missed all these comments 😔
@@Altcine youtube playing games don’t worry bro 😎
Man they said they trying to run before they can walk 🤣🤣
🤣🤣 it's true though bro
Taking the time to learn this has been worth it. When you're making videos, it's not an expense, it's an investment. Investment in time.
Ooooooo