How DOES Infinite Wealth Calculate Damage?
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- Опубліковано 7 бер 2024
- It's time to put on our thinking caps and figure out exactly how Like a Dragon: Infinite Wealth calculates its damage values for all the different attacks in the game. Except uhh... I dunno if you can do that by checking files or whatever so I just punched the same guy in the head 500 times.
Alright so some disclaimers:
First of all the HUD is cut off because I have a 21:9 display and yadda yadda just trust me it's better this way don't question it it's irrelevant to the video anyway.
Secondly, there are some things in this video that are without a doubt 100% correct such as getting a damage boost when you break an enemy's guard, but almost everything is just based off of the tests I did. So nothing is 100% factual evidence and I never say it is, but it's all true as far as MY tests were concerned.
Then finally I rendered this video like 16 different times to try and get the audio to be a bit better and then I lowered the game and music audio by a lot on the last time and they're both still a little loud so I apologise :( but hopefully it's fine.
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The video that kinda technically was the first part to this one:
• Yakuza Abilities You W...
Songs:
Yakuza: Like a Dragon - HIKARI NO NAKA NO YAMI
Yakuza: Like a Dragon - Ascension Point
Like a Dragon: Infinite Wealth - Waikiki Down Beat
Yakuza: Like a Dragon - Answer From Geomijul
Like a Dragon: Infinite Wealth - Slugfest
Tekken 8 - TAMASHII - Normal
Persona 3 Reload - It’s Going Down Now
Tekken 8 - Neo City - Normal
Tekken 8 - Neo City - Climax
Yakuza 6 - Theory of Beauty
Ryū Ga Gotoku Kenzan! - baile con la mariposa
Yakuza 5 - What a FUNKASTIC hit
Like a Dragon: Infinite Wealth - Twin Machetes
Kurohyō 2: Ryū ga Gotoku Ashura-hen - Little Revenge
Like a Dragon Gaiden - Un altro appassionato
Like a Dragon: Infinite Wealth - Life is TOUSHI - Ігри
Alright I promise the reason it took me so long to make a new video was 'cause this took ages to do and not because I was procrastinating by playing Helldivers, Final Fantasy, and Persona. Promise. Trust me.
But also plz read the little disclaimers in the description to explain some stuff so plz don't get mad at me for being dumb thx I love you bye bye :)
Thank You
Will you make a video on the randomizer mod?
Nah, you were clearly busy in Tekken 8. (also wtf another Claudio player, didn't know those existed outside of just me)
your data is wrong and you tested incorrectly
damage is calculated cus they throw dice and then eat the dice
I honestly was guessing that they beat the shit out of you with the dice
Just as our forefathers did.
The only reason head trauma is catergorized as light is cause Joongi is just giving the enemy a light head rub then putting them down on the ground
Lightly mashing their brain into a paste yeah :)
@@SnowiestAngeman When they bring it back next time, the damage can be the same…
*BUT, the attack type should be Extreme, a Grapple, and the cost should be at around 69 MP!*
Pepermill blow, head trauma and fulminating forecast are the harbingers of the like a dragon apocalypse
They could've easily balanced the game by just giving everyone head trauma why didn't RGG think of that??
"when everyone's super, no will be"
The deletion of Head Trauma IMO was an inside joke, IIRC one of Ichi's personality challenges for collecting head armor is "No Head Trauma Here" which gave me a laugh.
Though I will admit, I would've preferred Head Trauma becoming a Kiwami attack instead. Would've been funny to have Joongi do absurdly extreme noogies on enemies
I cannot believe I missed that idea when I was so surprised by Head Trauma not being in the game and thinking about it constantly when playing as him
Yeah, I said head trauma is mediocre but you forgot the part where Peppermill Bowl is more insane.
How dare you insult my favourite attack from a video game
@@SnowiestAngeman Peppermill Stans will overthrow the head trauma one day, you will see.
The only reason I didn't use Head Trauma in Like a Dragon was because I wasn't playing as Joon-gi Han and therefore had to use peppermill blow😎
Joongi Han is the worst party member. (for those who doesn't know it's a joke it's a joke)
@@friedtetohe’s stuff
i cant believe i watched a 35 minute video about lad8 information which im going to forget in the next 38 seconds.
good video 👍👍👍👍👍
there's been some datamining done in speedrun discord. Damage formulas happen to be somewhat similar to dragon quest. which can be simplified to (ATK-DEF/2)*(1 + baseattackratio). Baseattackratio depends on skill. from modders we heard that hitting the button prompts just adds to the baseattackratio, but it's unclear if it applies to defense side of the calculation. Attack buffs are 15% stat per arrow, but because of enemy defense in practice the damage increase will be always higher. Against higher defense enemies (or if your weapons suck) attack buffs feel a lot more significant.
Resistances from jobs are 50% damage reduction.
EDIT: Probably should have watched until the end before typing xd. I think the video is mostly correct, maybe only thing I'd nitpick is that there are actual number differences between skills in the same damage "category", like Tenacious fist has added ratio of 1 (so 2.0x) and dropkick is 1.1 (2.1x)
I didn't know the damage formula was that simple, but neat. I overcomplicated it and thought that the target's DEF was being divided by 2 then multiplied by the skill's base_atk_ratio. At least the results between the two formulas are identical, so I guess I still got it right in a roundabout way.
Attack buffs work as 1.15x / 1.3x / 1.45x damage multipliers, which is way better than in YLAD where buffs would only add to your base_atk_ratio.
For the button prompts, I haven't tested it extensively, but from what I've gathered, succeeding in them gives a 1.15 multiplier to the damage of subsequent hits. Failing a button prompt will remove that multiplier.
Poor Soma got Ichiban'd :(
Hi, I'm just a random modder, but I just wanna give some insight I learned about the game damage setting.
So, all attack animation in this game supposed to have a total damage value of "100". Meaning that if the attack is a single punch/kick, it is "100". If the attack is 3 hit combo, then it would be 20-20-60. So that in total would be 100.
The 100 value then get calculated with 2 more value, which is strength and "base_atk_ratio", result in the damage outout.
I don't know the exact formula, but the higher "base_atk_ratio", the better. Normal attack have "base_atk_ratio" of 0, while downed attack have "base_atk_ratio" of 0.3, meaning downed attack will deal extra 30% compare to normal attack. This is of course get boosted by the fact that downed attack is auto crit.
What note worthy about "base_atk_ratio", is that how it apply to Kiryu.
in Brawler style
Far attack: 0.0
Close attack: 0.9 (which meaning 90% increase in damage output)
Close attack - Awakened: 1.2 (which meaning 120% increase in damage output)
in Rush style
Far attack: -0.5 (reduced 50% in damage output)
Close attack: - 0.05 (reduced 5% in damage output)
Close attack - Awakened: 0.05 (which meaning 5% increase in damage output)
Rush is significantly weaker, but because we all know it get to attack twice.
in Beast style
Far attack: 0.0
Close attack: 0.85 (which meaning 85% increase in damage output)
Close attack - Awakened: 1.14 (which meaning 114% increase in damage output)
So brawler does more damage than beast?
@@A_Guy_Without_His_Grasses_On Yes, but it counts as a grapple, and an area attack
Can't wait for Ray to see this and do the Leonardo DiCaprio point meme at 12:08 lmao
Ok so I don’t want to seem like I’m hating, because I really appreciate the data gathering done for the video (fuck knows I’m too lazy to do it myself) but a few of the numbers mentioned here aren’t right and I have to mention it ( 🤓 me in the reply’s, I deserve it):
The section at 11:04 doesn’t make much sense, as a 50% increase to each individual attack would just lead to a 50% stronger attack overall. (Purely theory, but it could be that back attacks are a pure x2 multiplier, but that they DO benefit from proximity bonus, so you’d have x1.2 proximity x2 back attack coming out to x2.4? Probably the same as the down attack boost, which according to the game CAN benefit from the proximity bonus)
The attack boosts section at about 19:00 was done backwards I think, the actual increases come out to about:
Lvl 1: 30.25%
Lvl 2: 61.30%
Lvl 3: 91.89%
So probably a flat 30% per level of boost overall.
Seriously though, thanks a million for doing all of the work and data collection on this, I’m for sure not part of that 487% of people who aren’t subscribed.
Never thought i would hear Ray Narvaez Jrs name out in the wild. You a true rayder frfr
You're the GOAT for doin this research and also makes me glad that the RPG aspect of IW feels way more thought out than LAD7 (as much as I love that game), really makes me hopeful for what RGG Studio will cook up for LAD9 in the future
Head Trauma was removed in IW?!
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"Hello? Yeah you guys have Persona 3 Reload?"
wait what!? NOOOOOOOOO
Yeah, the grapple loading screen tip actually says you can deal "big damage" so I always assumed Guard Breaks did more damage. Glad that you went ahead and confirmed it with numbers
TBH while the tutorial said that, I figured it meant "Your attack won't be resisted" not "your attack hits harder than usual"
The damage I've surmised during my extensive play of 200 hours within 3 weeks all align with yours. I will say though that the best way to look for resistance damage multipliers is simply to use poundmates. A resistance halves the damage while a weakness multiplies it by 1.5 (Sojimaru Flying Beta Max my beloved does 1000 damage normally, but only 500 to enemies who resist Elec, and 1500 to the ones who are weak against it. Multiply these values by 1.5 if you're using the "with benefits" option.)
I think it's possible Back Attack was meant to be double damage but the proximity bonus still applies, resulting in the oddly specific multiplier of 2.4. Proximity bonus was about 20% boosted, which when applied to a move and then doubled would be 2.4 times damage.
Great testing. Will definitely look back at this if i end up doing a run of the game. Thank you for your service
I wish I found this channel earlier, what an informative video! I'll definitely check back on this when I inevitably replay 7 or 8.
I got Head Trauma from the amount of math done in this video (great video, btw)
🐐 video by the way, good to actually get some fairly solid numbers on what everything does, so I can at least more or less know what move to pick in some of those niche “oh shit if the enemy doesn’t die this turn, Ichiban might get clapped” situations
Damm bro. Rgg really should hire you for QA testing or something. 😊
I recently got infinite wealth and I'm super excited to try it out, thank you so much for this video as I'm sure it will help me a ton, your the best ❤❤
Bro this is a very good video. Did not expect this at all
Based man is back
based DOS2 enjoyer
I love listening to this dude yap about Like a Dragon games, thank you Snowman 🙏
you always manage to make me care about things i would never otherwise notice or care about in the yakuza games
Forgot the name of it, but that 10 MP Champagne attack from Host job is unusually powerful for a supposedly “Light” attack. I don’t remember the exact level I was at, but against enemies who were weak to Ice attacks, it was dealing around ~600 damage in total
Hey SnowiestAngeman I just want to say I appreciate the music sync at 3:26.
I was not expecting a ray mention in this video, man I love him
This is all very useful information thanks!
Love how you used Shinada's theme when talking about wallbounds.
came for the new snowy video, stayed for the math lesson
So good news Mr. Snow. I introduced one of my friends to the Like a Dragon series by making them play the first hour or so of Lost Judgement seeing that you like that game so much and recommend it so highly. He enjoyed himself and said we should play it together again soon. I did it! I got someone to like this series let’s goooooooooo!
Amazing video!
finishing all those math questions in vocabulary school must have leveled you up a lot
we all knew the second we either played the demo of IW or after the first fight that the combat was gonna be better
Wait, if magic buff didn't change the healing value...
That means the ultimate idol weapon that may grant magic buff per turn is actually doodoo for heals, ugh
I don’t care how the problems of the game (there’s none) imma glaze this game for the next 10 years 😭
Based economics degree holder, I’m about to graduate with one in a few months. Love you videos btw
Good video! Will you upload the typical soundtrack appreciation?
Completely unrelated (though I appreciate the amount of work you did to determine the numbers), I didn't take you for a Claudio main. 😮
He’s cool I like him
@@SnowiestAngeman Nice. I'm a newbie to Tekken and Reina is what convinced me to start playing so I'm trying to learn her. The process is gonna take a bit though because there's so much. 😫
@@briannawilliams3155 Play through arcade quest its the best starting point for beginners and teaches you enough to get to red ranks imo
Damn thanks for such detailed video on something we just press the big heavy damage button. Me very likey
The SMT4 joke when talking about the bleed samurai effects legit made me laugh out loud
I didn’t realise until too late that “light” attacks can be devastating. Spent a lot of time game using the most powerful or extreme moves but in reality all the moves can be useful. I ended up not using a lot of them so think I’ve missed out a bit
hey snowyangryman will you do a video covering the story of LAD IW?
7:10 That music sync. Hell yeah.
i have no idea what he was talking about for the entire video, but it was very cool and interesting
I wished upon a star that someone would do this. You granted my wish 🌟
One thing that bother me when looking at freelancer skill is why rgg still have essence of roadside weapon (45 mp cost) for ichiban in Freelancer job when they can make it into heat action instead like kiryu heat action in his dod job (0 mp cost) or maybe he can use that in the next game with style switching (cope)
the finale boss being too strong is a reference to p3 fes we don't care we all ready got your money we are still playing like it's the arcades
they got rid of Joongi's Head Trauma because hes been watching videos on watermelons exploding with rubber bands and hes been focusing on how to do that quickly to a living person in battle
I don't get it. Hold on, lemme watch it all again.
I need to test it but my theory is that healing isnt based off the magic stat but the willpower stat. The healing booster item (I think?) raises willpower and there's plenth of prescedent for that being a thing in other games. Might do a little test of my own tomorrow :3
Fun fact, magic attacks actually can crit. I don’t blame you for not mentioning it because, I didn’t know until I looked at the brands (cuz I only leveled up the weapons in the post game), and there is a seal (it’s somewhere next to the transfiguration seal but don’t remember the specific one), that allows magic to crit. Good for NG+ I suppose
Annnnnnnd I should have watched the video longer
@@jjslider3026 I don't even know what counts as magic attacks tbh. Is it all skills or just the element based ones like flaming rose or Whiskey Toss?
@@brandonsclips7741 The ones that use fire, ice, electric or the cane symbol which is just neutral magic
if they use one of the 3 physical elements they can miss and crit as normal, even if there's a magic element tied to it
This is in fact what is up. I hate it when games don't outright tell the players the damage multipliers
Just a little fun fact, but I’m *pretty* sure doing a combo attack when in proximity for a back attack damage bonus applies both the back damage bonus and the combo
I believe the game will actually list it as a "Combo + Back attack" if you're in range to do both!
“I’m gonna go ahead and consume” cuts to angriest swallowing a physical disk of lad 8 whole
i think the thing about a lot of the supplementary buffs being smaller percents while saying "greatly increases" is just due to the insane number of ways to increase damage in this game
like you have to consider that people are going to be combining a million different multipliers on one attack so a 2% or 6% increase is ok for something that is blanket applied to everything
also combo attacks do get back attacks, at least visually. i havent crunched any numbers tho lol
Rock throw is the new head trauma in IW that move on the hero job with the legendary bat with max crit goes crazy because its a guaranteed knock down, it also is insane value for mp cost
Eeegyuuu I didnt expect to see the Colonel slap around Daigo dojima 😂
Where is the composer appreciation 😭😭😭😭😭💔💔💔
this is a chonky OST, the man needs some time
10:55 For any future testing purposes, I feel I should point out that a three hit attack with each hit doing an extra 50% damage does not add up to 150%, it would just be an extra 50%.
For Example, say an attack normally does 100 dmg 3 times, for a total of 300. If all three crit for 150 damage each, then you get a total of 450 damage, which is 300 multiplied by 1.5, not by 2.5.
I can say from pure anecdotal evidence that Burning Arrow was accidentally made into an Extreme Damage move for 20 MP and we should not tell the devs.
i love how their way of nerfing joon-gi han in Infinite Wealth was to make him appear before the last chapter of the story with worse stats than your party
3:38 LOL!
I applaud the absolutely autistic level of math and dedication it took to make this video. I find minutiae like this in video games really interesting, as a fellow econ major.
btw if u use elemental poundmates on an enemy thats weak to them its always a flat 1.5x boost and poundmates also ignore defense. also those skills that reduce an enemy's resistance to a certain element are piss?
shoutout to the shin megami tensei IV reference, ive been playing it recently and when it came up i died laughing
Head Trauma died so burning arrow can take its place ❤
i wouldn't have just assumed that the stated light/medium/heavy damage tier is equal on all moves. Like, why not test roes stinger and birthday bonanza both on an enemy that doesn't resist fire before doing the fire damage weakness test to see if they do the same damage to begin with?
Anecdotally, from playing the game i really do feel like the stated damage is actually a pretty large range. Like how in souls games weapon scaling is letter graded but there's actually a precise number value behind the scenes that is just assinged to a letter based on its range.
So for this game, i could imagine like, light attacks being 2-2.25 times normal damage, medium being 2.25-2.5, etc.
just a random thought but could healing be based on willpower instead?
Can SOMEBODY PLEASE respond to this post? I cannot find ANYTHING on the internet regarding the hidden attribute of: accuracy and how it affects skills and basic attacks or if it even differentiates by job and or character and the equipped weapon.
Does ANYBODY know?
liked 10 times and vergil han appeared what do i do
Watch out gamers, he's got a spreadsheet!
I never looked into it, but I always felt Yakuza 7 felt really "off" with its damage values and costs. 8 has really done a great job just being a better sequel. Awesome breakdown!
The only head trauma I’m receiving is from how you calculated all this…
Respect for doing this! I can't imagine doing this as someone who sucks at math
Just occurred to me that Kiryu should be able to use the Cab Driver job and equip a Suzuki outfit for it
We appreciate you risking your sanity in the name of Yakuza science.
so I'm about 7 minutes into the video, and I'm already thinking. "Wow I should use EVERY skill in game, just to see how much damage every move does, since it's so inconsistent."
My prediction for the reason why the back attack had a 2.4 times multiplier is that a back attack probably has a x2 multiplier, and then the x1.2 proximity bonus probably stacks ontop of the back attack bonus, and when multiplied out makes a x2.4 damage multiplier
this was secretly a video just to show off your tekken skills, wasn't it
I got the achievement to win a ranked match and then played another and lost then never played online again so yeah you could call me a pro
7:11 sneaky
I love you ❤️
I don't love me
But me I love you ❤️@@SnowiestAngeman
@@SnowiestAngeman please love yourself
brrrrr go Rock Swing
Why didn’t you mention the Samurai Burning Arrow? One of the most broken attack moves in the whole game
was the smt iv footage necessary
math
You know, something from this video that was never shown is the action star/Host's attack buffing skills, for persona fans, Charge and Concentrate respectively. They do increase the damage and they also do stack on top of the other damage you can do with skills. The question I have is by how much.
The reason why this is important is because with 2 female party members with kunoichi's substitution Jutsu, you can do a bit of speed tuning math to have your male party members go first, amp themselves with these damage skills and Substitution jutsu them out to nuke the opponent
I think it's a flat x2
Really the biggest breakthrough (especially in speed running, thank you LAD modding discord) is finding out that YLAD and LADIW both basically rip the Dragon Quest damage calculation, literally. It's a 1:1 copy of the damage calculation, and I find that *hilarious*.
I think the damage tiers are still nonsense in these games bc Ichiban’s rock swing is classified as a medium damage move, but merciless melee is classified as a heavy damage move and yet it does around the same amount of damage despite costing almost twice the MP
I deal more damage with Merciless Melee than Rock Swing by default tho, also the fact it's a bonus skill Ichiban can use without inheritance is quite nonsensical for Hero that lacks grapple moves.
It’s harder to notice damage if you don’t do what I did, but the higher MP cost is because of the stat drops. That’s a good thing about this game is that MP cost is pretty consistent depending on the damage and bonus effects. But you should spam merciless melee it’s a stupid skill lol
Glad to see shinada living on as a depressed high schooler
Showing which characters are playable is actually a story spoiler.
Check the front cover of the game lol
Happy that this game is a lot more balanced than 7
There's a chance that healing scales off of Willpower. There's at least a handful of JRPGs that scale healing off the magic defense stat, like Final Fantasy.
it’s actually remarkable how long you took to figure out the funny gay man fighting game 8
I can't believe you spoiled that Like a Dragon Infinite Wealth has damage, my entire life is ruined now
(just joking, dunking on the people who actually whine about things that aren't spoilers)
Are those people in the room with us?