I never understand why type R needs to look childish.....how many parents do Honda think will buy their teenage boy a brand new performance car? Because If you can afford one yourself....its too inmature for you
I have driven an EP3 and a FK8 and they are very different. The EP3 feels way way more light and engaging in general, the FK8 is faster ofc but in terms of fun I don't think it's and step up (it is in the technology though, if it's your only car going to work and all that will feel much better in the newer as you can imagine)
I actually caught one of these on the road earlier today, and no joke....it's a good looking car! I'm not normally a big Honda fan, but I'm a fan of this new build!
I have waited for this review for months! Happy that Mat said 'I f**king love this car' (expected though). I am so lucky that I can buy the Type R for ￡31k in Japan. The price in the UK is outrageous.
The UK supply of this Civic type R is very limited. I have heard that the 2023 allocation has been already sold out. Ordered the hybrid civic in November last year. Estimated delivery is July 2023 !
It's more expensive because they stopped building them in Swindon so we pay the export premium now, the engine's made in the US and final assembly's in Japan. Got the FK8 myself and still adore it but with a price jump that significant is pretty painful.
Don’t forget about the average fleet emissions legislation is Europe - Honda can only sell a small number of these per year due to their relatively high CO2 output; as such they have to charge a bomb to make any money on them
I remember buying a Type R in 2005 & paid 17k (it had air con so was 1k more), it was a ridiculously fun car & a good price. This thing looks good & is obviously a good car (I definitely take Mat's word on that), but the price is, in my opinion, way o.t.t.
i think you are comenting on the wrong one here , this one does not look any of those 3 you mentioned , its not cool because now its grown up so lost its cool factor , its not sporty in fact it looks like the normal one actually normal one look more sporty and it is only agressive when driven that way doesnt look that tough , the previous two fk2 and fk8 were all those you mentioned
@@cielo20 same i like this new one but with previous type r i dont like the back of the car looks ugly to me. But that also go to this one, i mean like why HONDA WHY? u have the best designer but i choose this design for me in term of design type r is good on the front but look so disgusting at the back thats all no one can change my mind on that.
@@cielo20 yep i do like the look on every civic it just that fk8 they did that car dirty with that look on the back. It just felt off and true on some people they do like it. But for me i just really love the look at the front of fk8 look so aggressive but at the back look so out of nature u know what i mean.
@tuckermcelroy615 I have seen one being driven around occasionally, and one thing that surprises me is how petite they look compared to most cars. Enjoyed owning mine, but UK weather, salt on roads, reaked havoc on the body. Rust kills most of them, which is a shame as the mechanical bits are bombproof.
@@4Kandlez Honda didn’t say it’s specially a hatch but they imply that it’s compact. The ‘Civic’ nameplate was introduced “for citizens and cities” as a compact commuter.
Agreed, far too expensive compared to FK8. I like the distinctive looks of my 19 reg FK8 in which the body coloured wing does not look too out of place in Polished Metal colour. I like the car even more now the original oem Continental Contact 6 tyres, all with 3m tread depth at 15k miles, have recently been replaced with Michelin Pilot Sport 4s tyres. The Michelin tyres have a more dampened steering feel, which I prefer, they are quieter, more comfortable & do not chunk when turning in cold weather. Michelin do not recommend their use below 5 deg C but I had to use my car today when temperature was minus 3 deg C & car felt secure driven sensibly. I have a Honda space saver spare fitted which does not reduce the boot space by much. Rather pleased the FL5 is much more expensive than FK8 as it will help my car retain its value. Being a mature driver I prefer the muted exhaust sound of my FK8 to a raucous anti-social sound.
I am definitely looking for an FK8 in a few years when my Fit gets a lil too long in the tooth! Absolutely in love with the styling and hopefully the prices will slowly go down over time.
$72500 in Australia, getting ridiculous, honda bought in fixed price and closed many long term dealership, sales down over 70%, they have killed the brand unfortunately
I think a bunch of old people may have complained about the fk8 looks They got what they wanted something barely noticable and blends into common traffic apparently well
Old one attracts attention. I own a fk8, and kids compliment and shout me down all day, they say like a lambo. ●Some people like to be mostly ignored on the road, so they prefer fl5. Nothing wrong with that.
Because most people lack the conviction of making their own choices in life regardless of what other people might think, no doubt in person the Fk8 is way better, and I'm sure in performance aswell.
I've been very fortunate to be amongst the lucky few to get their hands on one of the first UK allocations, and I completely echo the "f**king love this car" sentiment.
@@Lee.S..B The 10,000 orders in Japan at the equivalent of £31,000 are Honda's priority. The export allocation at higher profit margin is just "gravy" I guess.
It looks amazing and I love the fact that it is manual but paying just shy of 50k feels a bit too steep. I mean you can get a 3 year old 718 Cayman for sub 50k or a Giulia Q sub 45k or an manual M2 sub 35k. I know they aren't hot hatches or brand new, but I think I would still take one of the latter over a brand new type r
I hear you and can't disagree. M240i x drive 12 months old can be had for the same money. I would say though, not much will be as reliable, as well engineered or enjoyable at any price !
I have at 2017 manual m140i that is tuned to 444hp, which cost me 19k. Can it really be that much more fun than what I already have? I get I can't 100% say it isn't, but at 50k it will be at least 4 years before it's gets to a price I would consider giving it a chance
It looks really good but the price ... I don't know if you can even find it at MSRP price . At 50k we go into a whole new level . Probably the right price should be around 35-38k ? But that's just me . There is something in this Type R which makes it stand out from the rest . But generally Honda looks really good . Nice review !
@@richardwells1709 they’ll be “sold” on finance. Nobody is buying this car outright for 50k. 46k is the base model too, and I doubt they’ll even ship any base models like the FK8 they only had the GT versions.
I drove one of these today and actually really liked it. I'm pretty impressed with how good it actually was. I never thought I would like a hobda civic
@@markclayden7654 firstly if your house from 2002 only went up by 30 percent, then it's either a really expensive house, you overpaid or you're in a bad area. Secondly, your house may have some changes since 2002 but it's still the same house. This car is better than a EP3... If a EP3 came out as new today, then perhaps it wouldn't be 47k... Your comparison between this car and a EP3 is terrible...
Focus RS seating position was fixed on later production models or could buy a kit for £500 to lower them anyway. Only really affected the optional Recaro buckets and wasnt as bad as some made out. I'm 6''2" and it never bothered me on mine
I test drove the FK8 before buying my Focus RS and I was really impressed by that car (I owned a Renaultsport Megane back then). Impressive chassis, great engine and gearbox, perfect seating position... I bought the RS mostly for tax reasons (it could be bought as a "van" in Belgium which made it much cheaper to own), but to be fair the FK8 was just a more sorted car I found. The RS has huge potential but you need a few tweaks to reach it whereas the Honda was good from stock. I would absolutely love to drive the new Type R.
This new Type R may have more power compared to the previous version, BUT... they also changed the gearing and it's actually a little bit slower than previous version!
EK9 will always remain the best to me, high revving b16b with plenty of character, and just like the FL5 red carpets, titanium gear knob, brilliant seats, LSD, tons of changes that set it aside from the regular chassis, FL5 looks good but it's priced itself into a category that it can't compete for daily use
I’m pumped that you graded the new Type R as a “Buy” it vehicle! I’m considering it as my next car (currently have a Honda Crosstour V6 EX-L) and the hatchback/fastback style has me spoiled. 👍
I used to own an FK8 Type R which I loved. I remember it being so precise and reliable when taking corners at speed. Something that I never experienced before or after. True, the design is outrageous for some, but is new FL5 Type R worth extra 15 grand?
I also have an Fk8 and this car isn’t worth an extra 14 grand. Also it is unobtainable. Unless you took out a PCP deal and put a deposit down before it was released so you couldn’t test drive one first it’s hell of a gamble. My dealer actually told me that I wasn’t eligible as I bought my cars outright.
Apart from the design, every other review I've seen of this car basically says that performance wise is identical to the previous gen. It even loses on a drag race for some reason. And on a track it's unnoticeably quicker
When I look at such cars and I just viewed your latest Golf R too, it really makes me wonder how far they've progressed from let's say, the Mitsubishi Evo 10 FQ 360 or 400. We're talking about cars built in 2008 to 12. Yes, better suspension, better ergonomics, much more electronics and gizmos like ambient lighting; but in actual driving experience?? Those top of the line STIs and EVOs were something else. I'd love to see anyone of these new top hatches get their ears trimmed by those cars. And the R is horrendously expensive to fix when anything goes wrong- Golf.
In the UK a mustang is unaffordable because of the massive fuel cost and fuel is so expensive here. If they made it that powerful it wouldn't be possible to be a daily driver for normal people unless you're from a county with really cheap fuel
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Throttle house did a comparison with previous gen type R and this new one is slower
No chance, give it a year and the true reviews will come out, Fk8 is the better car no doubt, this thing is just a crowd pleaser designed for the masses.
@@seansimmons5071 "Fk8 is the better car no doubt" I mean they're the same car for the most part... Most of the mechanical parts are interchangeable -- you can upgrade the FK8 with FL5 parts like the wider wheels, and you can upgrade the FL5 with FK8 parts like the shorter final drive ratio. I'm not sure it makes sense to say the FK8 is "the better car", when the FL5 is just a slightly different version of the same chassis with different styling. The 11th gen Civic is just the mid-cycle refresh of the 10th gen Civic after all. Granted, Honda have managed to make the 11th gen look quite different even though the A/B/C pillar angles are the same and the underlying body structure will be very, very similar. [Heck a lot of parts are even interchangeable back to the FK2 Type R, though that 8th/9th gen genuinely was a different chassis.]
It may have been a bit more accurate test, to drive it in hotter weather. The summer tyres in these temperatures may not enable the car to perform at its best. Nice review and nice car too. Always transport me back in the 90's, when i hear "Honda civic".
I just can’t get behind it, given the costs. A new type R will run you north of ~$50-$70k depending on availability and trim I’ve been a lifelong Honda boi but I just can’t justify that type of money for a *Honda* . Where I live, that price point could get you a new RS6 fully loaded, a used M2/3/4 comp, or even a used Porsche 718 cayman When compared to the big boys, Honda is way out of their price point. Almost no car enthusiast is going to say Honda > German engineering That’s why I sold my 2020 sportback and now I’m saving for a Porsche or Audi now
Thanks for your time and effort! I would rate the care 10 out of 10...hate that US dealers are marking up the price 15K + on these,.,love the car though
I’ve watched like 10 reviews of this car from a lot of the top reviewers an so far they all love this car. I’m really thinking of trading my Supra 2.0 for it
Type R styling has seemed to always split people. The ep3 I still think is one of the better looking hatchbacks on the road (I am of the persuasion though, that the majority of 90s-2000s styling was the best for the hot hatches). The fn2 still divides people on opinions too, but I gotta admit i just haven’t been able to like the recently type r styling. For me these good and bad from this and the previous model. I don’t think I will ever like that 3 pipe exhaust, but I do love the fact Honda still giving people a proper manual, I wonder how long it’ll be before we’re all forced to drive automatics!
Was really looking forward to this, planned my current deal to end after this had been out for a couple of years (even Honda can suffer from early version weirdness after all) as one last ICE hurrah before going electric. And then they announced the price... Sure they'll sell all of 'em even at £47k plus but it's WAY too expensive in my book. You're in full spec M135 territory there which is just ridiculous.
It's a better car. Far better build quality, more reliable and you won't get reamed as much by insurance companies and twats on scooters looking to steal shit.
I have an allocation for an FL5 here in the US but am wayyy down the list. Luckily I have other toys to keep me busy but this car is a future classic and very limited, so even a year+ from now when my number is called, it'll be worth the wait!!!
I remember the mk 2 type R being reviewed by clarkson on top gear and he absolutely annihilated it. It should’ve been selling load’s considering how good the old ‘bread van’ was, but you really didn’t see them around. He probably cost Honda 10’s of millions!!
The FN2 didn't come with an LSD as standard to begin with. Later model years did, which improved the car a lot. The default chassis balance was set to understeer which didn't help. The combination of stiff RE050A tyres and stiff suspension didn't help the ride, yet the Japanse FD2 had suspension that was far, far stiffer again... Once those things are corrected (e.g., smaller diameter wheels or more modern tyres with a softer sidewall, tweaking the rear end geometry or putting wider wheels on the front with lower pressures than the rear etc), it drives quite well IMO, the stock shocks are nice and taut and responsive and the car doesn't wallow like say a Focus ST 5-pot or Golf GTI Mk5 (shame it wasn't better out of the box, but Honda weren't that far off).
@@4Kandlez super cars are for the super rich, civic is reachable but heard UA-camr comment (cannot recollect who?) spend a max of £30K for a car. To crawl on the bumpy city narrow roads at 20mph like a deer 🦌 scared to be fined by the million cameras and also lose 3 points.
Check Throttle House, the reason why it's faster aound the track is because it comes standard with much better wheels, if you put the wheels of this one in a FK8, the FK8 is faster so they were a bit deceiving...
Rate the new Civic Type R out of 10.
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This is by far the most mature looking type R in my opinion.
I never understand why type R needs to look childish.....how many parents do Honda think will buy their teenage boy a brand new performance car?
Because If you can afford one yourself....its too inmature for you
EK9?
@@ethandelafontaine To me, The EK9 with neutral colours looks like a sleeper car. This looks like a sport hatch without being too shouty.
@@ethandelafontaine Civic Type R EK 1998 Better tho.
@@Tomoyo0827 agree.
Had an EP3 Type R since I was 20. And for the past 17 years it’s served me impeccably well. This is the only one since I’ve liked the look of.
I have driven an EP3 and a FK8 and they are very different. The EP3 feels way way more light and engaging in general, the FK8 is faster ofc but in terms of fun I don't think it's and step up (it is in the technology though, if it's your only car going to work and all that will feel much better in the newer as you can imagine)
Tbf a grey import Integra DC5 is the best looking..
@@pauln0371 So true, not even a contest
@@hyper_channel the 1998 Civic Type R EK miles above 2023 version even though the 2023 Civic is 9.4/10.
@@pauln0371 Integra DC5 still stand out till this day too.
Hearing Mat compare a car to something random at the beginning of a video makes my day.
I totally agree
@@dieselscartalk4146 the 2023 Civic Type R is more like Accord Type R 1998 sometimes.
They are so cringey ahaha
I actually caught one of these on the road earlier today, and no joke....it's a good looking car!
I'm not normally a big Honda fan, but I'm a fan of this new build!
I have waited for this review for months! Happy that Mat said 'I f**king love this car' (expected though).
I am so lucky that I can buy the Type R for ￡31k in Japan. The price in the UK is outrageous.
Yup £47k is expensive!
@@CED99 in Belgium, it’s like £52k in Belgium (€60k).
Mat couldn't sell his GR yaris on CarWow, he would?
News : Honda is not receiving orders for new Type R in Japan since the monthly production is 400 and received 20K orders worldwide
Also sold out in the uk, only importing 200 and all pre sold.
Love the comedy that comes along with great information. I enjoy the few laughs that come with each episode.
I've long (secretly) wanted a Honda Civic Type R. I like the fact that Matt loves this version. I am tempted. Very.
The UK supply of this Civic type R is very limited. I have heard that the 2023 allocation has been already sold out. Ordered the hybrid civic in November last year. Estimated delivery is July 2023 !
@@richardwells1709 the 2023 Civic apparently looked cool.
@@richardwells1709 i ordered mine on Sept 15th and got it in 3 weeks. Advance model. Been loving mine since. Brilliant car.
@@richardwells1709 Just put money down on one in Australia. Should be here 2024 lmao.
@@keynesianeconomics4113 you paid 72k aud for a civic? Lol
It's more expensive because they stopped building them in Swindon so we pay the export premium now, the engine's made in the US and final assembly's in Japan. Got the FK8 myself and still adore it but with a price jump that significant is pretty painful.
Don’t forget about the average fleet emissions legislation is Europe - Honda can only sell a small number of these per year due to their relatively high CO2 output; as such they have to charge a bomb to make any money on them
@@dominicrusho the UK doesn't have to abide by EU laws
Engine built in USA... really?!
In brazil the same car costs 72k pounds
Probably
I remember buying a Type R in 2005 & paid 17k (it had air con so was 1k more), it was a ridiculously fun car & a good price. This thing looks good & is obviously a good car (I definitely take Mat's word on that), but the price is, in my opinion, way o.t.t.
finally a Type R which looks mature... this generation will age really well.
The trick with the previous one was to buy it in black so all those plastic BS blends in :D
@@hyper_channel even though, it looked slightly 'in your face' which I notice after this generation...
@@hyper_channel or buy spoon body kit to make it look subtle
Shut up already with your „mature“
Doubt it with edgy futuristic designs being in fashion with EVs
The new Honda Civic Type R looks so cool, sporty and aggressive!
You said the same about the Toyota aygo x yesterday🤣
i think you are comenting on the wrong one here , this one does not look any of those 3 you mentioned , its not cool because now its grown up so lost its cool factor , its not sporty in fact it looks like the normal one actually normal one look more sporty and it is only agressive when driven that way doesnt look that tough , the previous two fk2 and fk8 were all those you mentioned
@@cielo20 same i like this new one but with previous type r i dont like the back of the car looks ugly to me. But that also go to this one, i mean like why HONDA WHY? u have the best designer but i choose this design for me in term of design type r is good on the front but look so disgusting at the back thats all no one can change my mind on that.
@@mukhlisar9377 its all about what one like , but im sure that most honda enthusiasts like more fk2-fk8 looks than fl5 looks its too plain
@@cielo20 yep i do like the look on every civic it just that fk8 they did that car dirty with that look on the back. It just felt off and true on some people they do like it. But for me i just really love the look at the front of fk8 look so aggressive but at the back look so out of nature u know what i mean.
The Type R has never been my favorite but this video lowkey changed my mind!
that's exactly what I was thinking
@@newyearbetterdays Honda Have been releasing some W cars recently
I used to have a Dc2 type R as a daily driver for 16 years. Love the grown up look of this one so much.
Love the dc2, looks amazing. Everytime I see someone driving one i think they know and love their cars.
@tuckermcelroy615 I have seen one being driven around occasionally, and one thing that surprises me is how petite they look compared to most cars. Enjoyed owning mine, but UK weather, salt on roads, reaked havoc on the body. Rust kills most of them, which is a shame as the mechanical bits are bombproof.
The review we’ve all been waiting for
I've waiting this to long
@XCARWORLD Its alright I'll support you. Its a good start
@XCARWORLD Its fine to me. Your narrator and the explanation is neat and understandable great work XCARWORLD
Not me.
I've never really cared that much for the type R, but I actually really like this one!
Agreed, I always said it would take something special to let our mk8 CS go and this is one car I would
Just Iv got used to a DSG now lol 😂
Same
That thing's enormous. It's supposed to be a compact hatch, now it's a full-size sedan
The FK8 is already an enormous car
exactly - it’s like a boat
Do Honda say it's a compact hatch?
@@4Kandlez Honda didn’t say it’s specially a hatch but they imply that it’s compact. The ‘Civic’ nameplate was introduced “for citizens and cities” as a compact commuter.
Still a hatch.
Agreed, far too expensive compared to FK8. I like the distinctive looks of my 19 reg FK8 in which the body coloured wing does not look too out of place in Polished Metal colour. I like the car even more now the original oem Continental Contact 6 tyres, all with 3m tread depth at 15k miles, have recently been replaced with Michelin Pilot Sport 4s tyres. The Michelin tyres have a more dampened steering feel, which I prefer, they are quieter, more comfortable & do not chunk when turning in cold weather. Michelin do not recommend their use below 5 deg C but I had to use my car today when temperature was minus 3 deg C & car felt secure driven sensibly. I have a Honda space saver spare fitted which does not reduce the boot space by much. Rather pleased the FL5 is much more expensive than FK8 as it will help my car retain its value. Being a mature driver I prefer the muted exhaust sound of my FK8 to a raucous anti-social sound.
I am definitely looking for an FK8 in a few years when my Fit gets a lil too long in the tooth! Absolutely in love with the styling and hopefully the prices will slowly go down over time.
Both 2020 fk8 and fl5 have fake Honda Active sound
@@g0d182 yes only fk2 is so raw even in its driving
Are you from the UK? UK buyers could get the FK2 which is still my favourite turbo Type R!
The 19 reg FK8 does not have fake sound in the cabin. I changed my third S2000 for an FK2 & immediately knew I had made a good decision.
You can't go wrong with a a Honda let alone a type R, love these things
50k
@Gypsy Emperor But if you get a Type R you'll know got the best of the best
Yes you can. They're not as reliable as they once were and pricing is laughable
@@Ciaran334 it isn't the best of the best lol. It's terrible to live with
@@mharro88 Okay👍
As always superb review..was waiting for it
I know this is unbelievably expensive but this is my favorite Hot Hatch. Honda Civics are just amazing
This is $71,200 here in the Philippines.
$72500 in Australia, getting ridiculous, honda bought in fixed price and closed many long term dealership, sales down over 70%, they have killed the brand unfortunately
Honda engineers are undoubtedly some of the auto world's best.
Finally a Type R with a look that I wouldn't be ashamed of. Thank you for a great review - it's definitely worth considering.
Did I just hear Matt saying Nissan type R around 3:13 or my ears are deceiving me? Great video Matt as always!
Yes he did said so 😅😅😅mistake
said new civic type R
"New civic type r" not Nissan type r 😂
Looks amazing and seems to drive amazing.
nothing more convincing than "I f***** love this car"
I loved the look of the last gen Type R and I will die on this hill
I join you on the hill
Back not so much for me it's meh but the front end is lovely
Same
Same, they ruined it for the enthusiasts this time around, weaker design and higher price.
I think a bunch of old people may have complained about the fk8 looks
They got what they wanted something barely noticable and blends into common traffic apparently well
I love seeing Honda recieve love from journalists all across Europe! They deserve it, especially the Civic.
The previous Type R car was a Goat... this seems more like a normal sedan, I will miss it.
Have to say this looks wicked. Wasn’t sure at first but it. Handsome machine. Top work Honda 😎
I prefer the previous type r looks more hot hatch
Hatchbacks 🤢
Missed the Nurburgring kick a lot! Thankfully Mat didn't got a kick this time!
That makes no sense at all.
i think he got some kick when off camera
@@rasherbasher8203 dude don't know the nurburgkick?
Lucky Mat🤣
@@rasherbasher8203 dude can't take a joke
I'm 100% buying this car. And great review.
can't understand why the old one gets so much stick. I think it looks absolutely great!
Stevie wonder is that you????put your glasses on ya maniac
Same! Love it. It's badass.
Old one attracts attention. I own a fk8, and kids compliment and shout me down all day, they say like a lambo.
●Some people like to be mostly ignored on the road, so they prefer fl5. Nothing wrong with that.
Because most people lack the conviction of making their own choices in life regardless of what other people might think, no doubt in person the Fk8 is way better, and I'm sure in performance aswell.
cause it was very over styled
I was soooo waiting for this video to come out!
Best looking Civic type R ever ! 😍
Maybe the least eye catching one, or maybe 2nd least after ep3
Honda should probably delete the 11th gen from their history
I've been very fortunate to be amongst the lucky few to get their hands on one of the first UK allocations, and I completely echo the "f**king love this car" sentiment.
Congratulations dude, first type R I’d happily own if I could afford it.
Lovely review and a magnificent car. Honda is selling every one they make, regardless of the price.
Not regardless of the price.
You mean every one they are willing to make/sell
@@Lee.S..B The 10,000 orders in Japan at the equivalent of £31,000 are Honda's priority. The export allocation at higher profit margin is just "gravy" I guess.
Haha. That was a joke right?
I think the fans want to see Mat become the next 007 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻
It looks amazing and I love the fact that it is manual but paying just shy of 50k feels a bit too steep. I mean you can get a 3 year old 718 Cayman for sub 50k or a Giulia Q sub 45k or an manual M2 sub 35k. I know they aren't hot hatches or brand new, but I think I would still take one of the latter over a brand new type r
True,It’s nice I won’t lie it’s just that its still a Honda for 50K
I hear you and can't disagree. M240i x drive 12 months old can be had for the same money.
I would say though, not much will be as reliable, as well engineered or enjoyable at any price !
You'd need to drive one to fully understand.. expensive, but about more than figures on a page
I have at 2017 manual m140i that is tuned to 444hp, which cost me 19k. Can it really be that much more fun than what I already have? I get I can't 100% say it isn't, but at 50k it will be at least 4 years before it's gets to a price I would consider giving it a chance
You can get an fk8 for 25k and we know which is quicker and the better car 😉 time will tell.
Just an honest review, I like it, about the price you're right, that's a lot.
the best looking type r ever,in my humble opinion
Most boring looking maybe
It looks really good but the price ... I don't know if you can even find it at MSRP price . At 50k we go into a whole new level . Probably the right price should be around 35-38k ? But that's just me . There is something in this Type R which makes it stand out from the rest . But generally Honda looks really good . Nice review !
Honda will sell every one of the Civic type R even at £47k
@@richardwells1709 because they'll barely ship 100 of them
@@richardwells1709 they’ll be “sold” on finance. Nobody is buying this car outright for 50k. 46k is the base model too, and I doubt they’ll even ship any base models like the FK8 they only had the GT versions.
def way cooler cars you can buy for 50k
I drove one of these today and actually really liked it. I'm pretty impressed with how good it actually was. I never thought I would like a hobda civic
“I fucking love this car, fucking love it!” Couldn’t agree more Matt❤❤
I bought a brand new Civic Type-R (EP3) from a Honda dealer back in 2002 and it was £15,995. How times have changed.
I did the same, £18k with a load of options inc. air con and private plate. Mad how expensive this new one is 😂
Silly money. One would also have to pay an extra £355 road tax after the first year for 5 years as the list price is over £40k.
People who have ep3 keep saying that but 20 years a go... A house in 2002 was also a lot cheaper etc... Gas and electricity... Food...
@@UnseenSpirit My house was 30% cheaper. This car is 150% more expensive. Your maths is terrible.
@@markclayden7654 firstly if your house from 2002 only went up by 30 percent, then it's either a really expensive house, you overpaid or you're in a bad area.
Secondly, your house may have some changes since 2002 but it's still the same house.
This car is better than a EP3... If a EP3 came out as new today, then perhaps it wouldn't be 47k...
Your comparison between this car and a EP3 is terrible...
I have booked one in US, 🥰 eagerly waiting for it to get in my hands😜🥰🥰🥰
Shit car
good for you!
Doesn't the new Type R have an insane markup by the dealers in the US?
Do you got msrp price? Or how much is the mark up?
@@fl3xxxo yeah its same price as an rs3 there
The last one was also great, I like the lower perfect seating position. Cars like a Focus ST or RS had that higher akward seats.
Focus RS seating position was fixed on later production models or could buy a kit for £500 to lower them anyway. Only really affected the optional Recaro buckets and wasnt as bad as some made out. I'm 6''2" and it never bothered me on mine
My father owns a focus st. Late 2017 ST3 and the seat goes very low because after facelift it can go low
I test drove the FK8 before buying my Focus RS and I was really impressed by that car (I owned a Renaultsport Megane back then). Impressive chassis, great engine and gearbox, perfect seating position... I bought the RS mostly for tax reasons (it could be bought as a "van" in Belgium which made it much cheaper to own), but to be fair the FK8 was just a more sorted car I found. The RS has huge potential but you need a few tweaks to reach it whereas the Honda was good from stock. I would absolutely love to drive the new Type R.
Tomorrow i will go to Test it as well 😁😍
Wow Matt! Your reviews are incredible, I would buy all my cars from you.
This new Type R may have more power compared to the previous version, BUT... they also changed the gearing and it's actually a little bit slower than previous version!
Previous type R is my favourite one of type R series
How old are you?
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Почему?
We need those cinematic gear changing shots again like in the toyota gr video🔥
U mean GR Aygo X? 😅
EK9 will always remain the best to me, high revving b16b with plenty of character, and just like the FL5 red carpets, titanium gear knob, brilliant seats, LSD, tons of changes that set it aside from the regular chassis, FL5 looks good but it's priced itself into a category that it can't compete for daily use
New Hondas feel so good to drive. The Accord Hybrids feel nice.
I’m pumped that you graded the new Type R as a “Buy” it vehicle!
I’m considering it as my next car (currently have a Honda Crosstour V6 EX-L) and the hatchback/fastback style has me spoiled. 👍
I used to own an FK8 Type R which I loved. I remember it being so precise and reliable when taking corners at speed. Something that I never experienced before or after. True, the design is outrageous for some, but is new FL5 Type R worth extra 15 grand?
Nope. Heavier and reasonably blends in to common traffic more.
Can't have those two strikes at once
No. Get a i30 n
News : Honda is not receiving orders for new Type R in Japan since the monthly production is 400 and received 20K orders worldwide
Crazy the UK pricing. Same car lists at $44K USD on the the Honda USA site.
Hearing Mat Watson admit he loves it is amazing. It really must be special.
I m Japanese. I am grateful to Honda for producing great cars in this era. Taxes apply in Japan and can be purchased from 42,430 USD.
why do taxes apply, the car is made in your country???
the design is matured a lot, and love it way better than the old one
As a current FK8 owner I’m not convinced it is worth an extra £14,000. You could get a tidy EP3 for that.
Why would you want an ep3? Rubbish steering, handling is bad, zero steering feel and it looks like breadvan
I also have an Fk8 and this car isn’t worth an extra 14 grand. Also it is unobtainable. Unless you took out a PCP deal and put a deposit down before it was released so you couldn’t test drive one first it’s hell of a gamble. My dealer actually told me that I wasn’t eligible as I bought my cars outright.
@@davemorris6747 that’s mental I also bought mine outright
@@davidkelly2542 never driven one so have to take your word for it but they are likely to appreciate in value going forward.
Bossdave why are you arguing with alt accounts?
Apart from the design, every other review I've seen of this car basically says that performance wise is identical to the previous gen. It even loses on a drag race for some reason. And on a track it's unnoticeably quicker
If they made it a hatchback, Lowered the price and made it look better it becomes an actual civic.
Bascually a whole new car nessecary
Finally review about the new civic type r! Been waiting
When I look at such cars and I just viewed your latest Golf R too, it really makes me wonder how far they've progressed from let's say, the Mitsubishi Evo 10 FQ 360 or 400.
We're talking about cars built in 2008 to 12.
Yes, better suspension, better ergonomics, much more electronics and gizmos like ambient lighting; but in actual driving experience?? Those top of the line STIs and EVOs were something else.
I'd love to see anyone of these new top hatches get their ears trimmed by those cars. And the R is horrendously expensive to fix when anything goes wrong- Golf.
Typical quality, never disappoint Honda forever!!!🤟
I still prefer the older style than the new. glad i got my type r when i did, otherwise i would have completely passed on this years.
13:51 "Git 'im!"
13:53 (in slo'mo Jenny's voice) "Run matt, run!"
Honda has always make a great car all their racing experience makes a better car
0:02 This view is incredible
Back not so much
i wish for $50k they could atleast make it 400hp. mustangs are pushin damn near 500 at only 40k nowadays
In the UK a mustang is unaffordable because of the massive fuel cost and fuel is so expensive here. If they made it that powerful it wouldn't be possible to be a daily driver for normal people unless you're from a county with really cheap fuel
Throttle house did a comparison with previous gen type R and this new one is slower
Not where it counts, on track, it Muller's the old ugly fk8 👍🏻
I'd rate the 2023 Honda Civic Type R a 10 out of 10, because it's the best hot hatchback ever made!!!🤩
I absolutely love the new Civic, definitely next car if I can get my hands on one.
Looks heaps better than the last model. On the plus side, it's £6,000 cheaper in Australia!
Heaps better, or maybe most boring
Cannot wait to see this car in Nurburgring 🔥
You probably won't
They have had 2 years to beat the record
No chance, give it a year and the true reviews will come out, Fk8 is the better car no doubt, this thing is just a crowd pleaser designed for the masses.
@@seansimmons5071 "Fk8 is the better car no doubt" I mean they're the same car for the most part... Most of the mechanical parts are interchangeable -- you can upgrade the FK8 with FL5 parts like the wider wheels, and you can upgrade the FL5 with FK8 parts like the shorter final drive ratio.
I'm not sure it makes sense to say the FK8 is "the better car", when the FL5 is just a slightly different version of the same chassis with different styling. The 11th gen Civic is just the mid-cycle refresh of the 10th gen Civic after all. Granted, Honda have managed to make the 11th gen look quite different even though the A/B/C pillar angles are the same and the underlying body structure will be very, very similar.
[Heck a lot of parts are even interchangeable back to the FK2 Type R, though that 8th/9th gen genuinely was a different chassis.]
It may have been a bit more accurate test, to drive it in hotter weather. The summer tyres in these temperatures may not enable the car to perform at its best. Nice review and nice car too. Always transport me back in the 90's, when i hear "Honda civic".
Fortunately Michelins aren't that bad between 0-10 degrees C. Pirelli P Zeros? Not so much, apparently!
This car is perfect and I think we are on the same page about buying this new Honda. Thanks for reviewing it. ❤❤💙💙
Great review this about the best looking Type R ever produced
Simple, elegant design, love a auto box
It's quite slow 0-60 but its because FWD, in accelerationan handling its astonishing
I just can’t get behind it, given the costs. A new type R will run you north of ~$50-$70k depending on availability and trim
I’ve been a lifelong Honda boi but I just can’t justify that type of money for a *Honda* . Where I live, that price point could get you a new RS6 fully loaded, a used M2/3/4 comp, or even a used Porsche 718 cayman
When compared to the big boys, Honda is way out of their price point. Almost no car enthusiast is going to say Honda > German engineering
That’s why I sold my 2020 sportback and now I’m saving for a Porsche or Audi now
Thanks for your time and effort! I would rate the care 10 out of 10...hate that US dealers are marking up the price 15K + on these,.,love the car though
I’ve watched like 10 reviews of this car from a lot of the top reviewers an so far they all love this car. I’m really thinking of trading my Supra 2.0 for it
Type R styling has seemed to always split people. The ep3 I still think is one of the better looking hatchbacks on the road (I am of the persuasion though, that the majority of 90s-2000s styling was the best for the hot hatches). The fn2 still divides people on opinions too, but I gotta admit i just haven’t been able to like the recently type r styling. For me these good and bad from this and the previous model. I don’t think I will ever like that 3 pipe exhaust, but I do love the fact Honda still giving people a proper manual, I wonder how long it’ll be before we’re all forced to drive automatics!
Good 0-60, about the same as Focus RS mk2 back in 2009
Was really looking forward to this, planned my current deal to end after this had been out for a couple of years (even Honda can suffer from early version weirdness after all) as one last ICE hurrah before going electric. And then they announced the price... Sure they'll sell all of 'em even at £47k plus but it's WAY too expensive in my book. You're in full spec M135 territory there which is just ridiculous.
M135i doesn’t have the looks though
It's a better car. Far better build quality, more reliable and you won't get reamed as much by insurance companies and twats on scooters looking to steal shit.
@@keynesianeconomics4113it’s 47k lmao. You can get an A45 for that money
@@OverIoad7 good luck with the maintenance on that
@@OverIoad7 A45s are around 50k plus but it’s worth it ngl
How good you describe the car 🚗 Well done mate!!!
I have an allocation for an FL5 here in the US but am wayyy down the list. Luckily I have other toys to keep me busy but this car is a future classic and very limited, so even a year+ from now when my number is called, it'll be worth the wait!!!
I remember the mk 2 type R being reviewed by clarkson on top gear and he absolutely annihilated it. It should’ve been selling load’s considering how good the old ‘bread van’ was, but you really didn’t see them around. He probably cost Honda 10’s of millions!!
The FN2 didn't come with an LSD as standard to begin with. Later model years did, which improved the car a lot. The default chassis balance was set to understeer which didn't help. The combination of stiff RE050A tyres and stiff suspension didn't help the ride, yet the Japanse FD2 had suspension that was far, far stiffer again... Once those things are corrected (e.g., smaller diameter wheels or more modern tyres with a softer sidewall, tweaking the rear end geometry or putting wider wheels on the front with lower pressures than the rear etc), it drives quite well IMO, the stock shocks are nice and taut and responsive and the car doesn't wallow like say a Focus ST 5-pot or Golf GTI Mk5 (shame it wasn't better out of the box, but Honda weren't that far off).
Great for UK city roads at 20mph and then to open the taps to 30mph when the speed limit gets eased. Yeah 0-30mph
Doesn't that apply to all the other vehicles as well, such as Ferrari, Lambos, Porsche etc. People still buy em, now that's ludicrous
@@4Kandlez super cars are for the super rich, civic is reachable but heard UA-camr comment (cannot recollect who?) spend a max of £30K for a car. To crawl on the bumpy city narrow roads at 20mph like a deer 🦌 scared to be fined by the million cameras and also lose 3 points.
I don't care if it's slowest in a drag race, cause I know that it is fastest around the track (among other hot hatches)
Check Throttle House, the reason why it's faster aound the track is because it comes standard with much better wheels, if you put the wheels of this one in a FK8, the FK8 is faster so they were a bit deceiving...
a carwow review without the 0-60 test is uncomplete
Excellent review Mat!
It looks a whole lot better, that's for sure! The last one looked like a 17 year old boyracer and a DIY bodykit got together and styled it! 😂
The previous gen hot hatch are better in my opinion 😮💨
Right-hand drive with Alcantara steering wheels, which is came from Japan spec👍🇯🇵
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Leather or suede is an option, UK are right hand drive like Japan
If you can easily heel toe as you said at this gap between pedals then you are a Legend man!
This is now my dream car!