BMW M2 vs Honda Civic Type R | Who makes the better performance car?
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- Опубліковано 7 чер 2024
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The BMW M2 is one of the best sports car/GT hybrids that money can buy, while the Honda Civic Type R has elevated itself beyond simply being a brilliant hot-hatch. The result is two cars that are more similar than you’d initially believe and a pairing that makes for an intriguing CAR magazine twin-test.
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0:00 - Intro
2:15 - BMW M2 review
8:49 - Honda Civic Type R review
13:44 - Verdict
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M2 or Civic Type R - what’s your favourite between the two?
Type R
CTR
Previous M2 CS lol
Yes!
@@PixelVoguefor sure. Is this new 2. And new M2. Slightly over styled. The 1m and original generation M2 were styled golden
Taken my FL5 Civic Type R to The Ring and a 3000 mile tour of Europe with a boot full of luggage four up. Utterly brilliant.
Peasant car... sorry you couldn't afford the proper car for this, that is the M5 ...
@@panathaninfyou’re seriously saying the M5 is a better car for the track than the type R?!
@@salvi1398 it’s a better car for touring. He did do 3000 miles.
@@panathaninf M5? What an utterly boring choice... I'd take a Type R over an M5 any day.
@@panathaninfm5 is a car for old people
Happy owner of a Championship White FL5, I think she staying with me for ever 😂
You'll grow out of it eventually, and probably want something more age appropriate! Great car in the mean time!
Same except mine is Octane grey pearl . I feel the same way this one just might be my forever car . Had a 22 M240i and all around I like my FL5 much much more 👍🏻👊🏻
I have an M3 xdrive and Integra type s. I’ve driven the G87 M2 manual hard as well. The quick steering and light weight on the Honda products make them more engaging and confidence inspiring in turns, and there’s the whole “drive a slow car fast rather than a fast car slow” bit too. Very hard to stretch a G8x car’s legs on the street. The BMWs are objectively better cars, but I often opt to go out in the Acura because I have more fun around town at lower speeds and on tight turns
Honda/ Acura inputs feel more natural and weight is lower, BMWs have more numb and less communicative inputs, but are more capable.
M2 is still quite comfortable car and comfort is less engaging
100% as the reviewer said BMW have a rubbery feel that I just don't enjoy. Honda feels more natural.
@@sergeantsqueaker bmw is luxurious
@@minigiant8998
And very, very heavy.
The FL5 is like a surgical knife. Can't imagine what a tune will do to this car. There are a few people pushing 550-550HP on youtube in their FL5s already with better turbos. The G87 M2 definitely has more layers to uncover and one of them is weight reduction. What people forget is why they bought the car and their usage. As a daily driver I'd go M2 all day because of the comfort and luxury. As a weekend, canyons and fun 2nd or 3rd car; FL5 all day.
Both awesome and thank God different. Most UA-cam reviewers want all vehicles to be same and offer same features, but complain about similarities and lack of distinction. I applaud you for understanding the difference and still appreciate each for what they are. I have chosen type R version which is Acura Integra Type S and my wife and I love it.
This dude is on top of his game, I will buy both.
You’ve really matured as a presenter. You’re right up there with the best when it comes to giving an acute sense of what it’s like to be behind the wheel. Kudos!
Give me that FL5 every day.
I hate every type r ever, i think their extremely ugly and low quality. The new one though.. omg that's a different beast.. love it
still very ugly
Hmmm both great cars no wrong choice here just a matter of taste 😊
Lol no
@@GeorgeTelopstill shit quality
This is a win for the civic, that car is a masterpiece❤
I own both G80 M3 xDrive, and Type R. Although the M3 is a faster car, the Type R is more engaging to drive, and is more driver focus.
And if you rather a fwd car over an xdrive m3 than you don't deserve the m3!!
Great comment...
@@anesennaidoo5279 you have no idea
@@davothegreat9990 if you have driven both of them back to back, you’ll know what I mean. I don’t mean to bash the m3, it’s a fun car to drive, a super fast one, and it is one of the tops of its own league. But as you daily the m3, some of the nuances becomes annoying, like the vague brake pedal feel, too light of steering wheel. To an extend it feels like isolated to the road. Almost like driving an electric car, and yes, i am also a current owner of tesla model 3 performance. And that almost 4000lb weight definitely not light, you certainly would feel the weight tossing around corner in twisty road like Angeles Crest. Yeah you can say the type R is FWD and not as great as OG RWD, but Honda has nailed it on the type r, it doesn’t feel like driving a FWD car, and overall as a package it is what makes a drivers car.
@@3leafzI’m surprised you would have a 50k Honda if you can afford m cars
I don't know...if you care about power only, then sure go for the short-term scrap BMW. The civic type-r was built with balance, to be fast, stable, agile, and etc. Plus, the type-r is cheaper and brings in a better resale value long-term. The civic type-r is better. 👍
For people who can't afford the better overall car! Whatever makes you happy!😂
This is the review I’ve been waiting for. The fact that these 2 cars are even able to be compared is incredible enough as it is, given their entirely different price categories. But to me, it’s the sublime 6MT of the CTR box that wins all day long.
They can't really be compared. The M2 is in a completely different class. Far more power, RWD. Apples and oranges.
@@Japplesnap that’s why I made reference to the comparison itself being so incredible, and said “entirely different”.
@@miraclemiler71 lets be honest here. The CTR is selling for practically the same price as the M2 right now LOL. Stop basing cars off of MSRP prices, especially when they don't sell for them (see CTR)...
@@JacesOwnWorldog mentioned other factors besides the price. Also tho, you know they are not talking about what greedy dealers ask. They are referring to msrp.
Maybe your comment was genuine who knows but it seemed the underlying unspoken was that we all know these are being sold for much more than they are priced msrp hence the video… that was kinda the understanding of the unspoken point.
@@JacesOwnWorld There are plenty of folks getting a CTR with 5k-7k ADM. Anyone willing to currently pay north of 60k for a CTR has got more money than sense.
Minus the wing,the civic looks more mature than the M2 lol
This review really puts into perspective the nuances of what makes a car "great." While the M2's power and precision are undeniable, the Type R's engaging nature and versatility at a lower price point make it an underdog that's hard to ignore. It's fascinating to see how these two, from different categories and price ranges, can offer unique driving experiences that cater to different audiences. Sometimes it's not about the stats but the feel behind the wheel. 🚗🔥
I agree! It comes down to great insight from the Automotive Journalist.
I think its always about how a car makes you feel
For myself a car has to look not just good but great, fantastic & exciting, so with regard to this generation of the M2, it does none of the above.
@@Mika-lr4zh what about the prevoius/first gen M2? Me I love that car with the N55 engine!
@@ROORabuser hello, yes I do prefer the looks of the previous M2. The styling is much more cohesive front to back. It’s a shame that BMW could produce something visually in the new car which would make me want it for its looks alone. PS I’m no BMW hater as we have a Z4 and Autovogue 428i
I cant understand modern journalists and older model owners.The new M cars are better than the previous models in every single way.They are faster in straight line,on track,they have better quality and bigger room for people.The previous models are a bit more playful but thats the only thing that they are better than the new ones.The civic is for me the best hot hatchback that someone can buy but it cannot be compared with the M2.
FL5 Type R any day. And ppl said the FL5 was expensive!!!
So you fly economy from A to B and get to the same place as a person that pays more to fly first class.
Dummy.
The honda dealership is like economy class and the BMW "experience" is what people with money may prefer.
You're definately one the best car journalists today, up there in the top, good job.
Glad you’re enjoying the reviews!
It's not even a competition or a conversation. It's the honda without a doubt. That colour blue is incredible
Type R all day long for me.
I’ll take the Type R
Great Automotive Journalism to be able to put vastly two different cars together and come up with a joint commonality between the two and compare them from that exact aspect. Well done!!
Regardless of what the presenter says if you just look at his body language you can see that he is enjoying himself much more in the Type R!
Honda precision engineering!
Wow these shots are amazing!
CTR. Or even better, ITS. Traded an M3CS for it and couldn’t be happier. CS was an animal and will be much faster on the track (btw, the carbon buckets are my favorite factory seat yet.), but ITS is more fun on the street for sure which is where I’m using it more.
Well done, a great review 👏
Thanks!
That guy has charisma most other youtubers can only dream of
Mat Watson has it in spades.
@@zzhughesdsorry mate, Matt comes off a bit of a tw*t
James is a journalist not a UA-camr..
Good honest review!
Thanks!
The FL5 (I hate calling it a Civic, its a class up from the standard model) is FWD for a reason - weight. Hence why it’s built for track, just like its predecessor, the FK8.
300kg weight difference is quite something.
I'm sat here wondering how the M2 manages to outweigh a car with 2 more doors and a hatchback, let alone by 300kg.
@@WhatisaLeeconsidering all the parts around the engine are plastic as well in typical BMW fashion😂
bhp is big difference, type r under powered
different technologies used in the car. I have the 2023 M240i xdrive and weighs probably more than the M2. xdrive adds weight and i installed pretty much all the options i can think of from BMW site. So they all adds up. @@WhatisaLee
CTR is stunning. Would have one anyday.
Normally I'm attracted to RWD because of drifting, but this new M2 just isn't good enough to sway me away from a 4 cilinder, FWD car. Of course, that 4 cilinder FWD car is a Civic Type R, probably the best 4 cilinder car there is. ❤️ The Honda is truly a great thing, it might just be the 911 GT3 for the normal man! :)
You’ve never driven it so how can you make such a strong statement with no seat time?
😂
Yes 4cyl and FWD is the best sports car platform.
Who needs inline 6 and RWD or midengine right?? 😂😂😂
Eat 💩
Still find it weird that people find it weird to compare a Honda to a bmw. Honda make some of the best performance cars around and have for a long time.
It's only people who have no clue.
Great review. This is purist versus neo-purist, prestige and heritage versus innovation and technical brilliance. On a budget and with practicality in mind, I would save a load of money and buy the Honda.
Glad you enjoyed!
You can see when someone comments that is a car person!
Civic type r + gr86 = bmw m2
@@danicarcardan5305 explain?
@@van_der_lindeDA type r 54.000 , gr86 40.000 vs m2 (95.000 ) my preference is (civic and Gr ) sorry no speak english
I've driven both and the Type R is definitely the more motorsport car of the two.
You sir can’t drive or drift . If you could you would pick the car that is similar to a Supra
@@Nick-hz2klyou sir don’t know what you’re talking about
@cben86 you don't! Fwd isn't better than rwd. Cope..
@@davothegreat9990 Where did I say FWD is better than RWD?
@@cben86 ctr is fwd and m2 is rwd...🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Ridiculous. The Type R is a razor sharp driving tool, and the BMW is a portly poser. No contest.
That m2 looks like its assembled with lego bricks
nice review, also really love this host he is really great
What’s the better gearbox, type R or Cayman/ Boxster?
the fact that both of these cars are being compared is insane. $44k Civic vs $63k M2
I’d normally always go for the RWD option but in this case I’d take the Civic provided I can also keep my GR86.
Fast Japanese cars are brilliant, everyone should try one.
Really, will you stay with the program.
Can’t believe it but we now live at a time where a 4 door Honda looks better than a BMW coupe
for resale value, the Honda wins easily. I take mine to the track (Laguna Seca) and it's an unforgettable joy coming down the corkscrew, the only thing holding you back are the more expensive cars in front of you.
I think BMW should offer some "M sport" variant of the 230/330/430 that has both 300 hp and either manual or AWD options that is priced competitively with the CTR and ITS.
They did and not enough people bought them. Isn’t it crazy to think that the BMW 230i was available with a manual as recently as 2021? The base price was $36,000.
@@enricosacethey did not. They gave us 248hp, slapped an M sport badge on it, and shockingly it didn’t sell. The only 4 cylinder, RWD, sedan options of this size with roughly that kind of power are Caddy and Alfa Romeo. I love the old 2, but they phoned that in terms of competing with with CTR.
Amazing video. Can you do a 2023 Supra 6MT versus the G87 M2 6MT? I know the G87 is a better and faster car, but would be curious to hear your feedback.
Glad you enjoyed. Great idea, we might just do that…
I think the point is. The world's are colliding these days. Honda always known to be cheaper and easier to drive (because they're engineered that way) that's why they're so popular among the 'less fortunate'. Meanwhile bmw, essentially the Honda of the Germans have arguably the same approach, they're the cheaper more sporty cars. I've been in all three Audi / bmw / Mercedes and I can vouch that bmw are far from making the most luxury cars out there but you can see their focus is more performance orientated. Now you compare the type R and the M2 today you can start to see they're building into the same car. Yes one fwd, the other is 3 door, etc. But boil down to what market they're made for and there you have it. The same people. I personally think the bmw is harder to live with every day. And one thing the journalists never talk about is reliability which is missed opportunity. All you have to do is tap into the statistics of the heritage of these two and youll start to see very clearly why honda is still excelling with selling their cars while bmw are struggling to push out their brand new M cars. Insurance, servicing, tyres. Why spend 15K more on a car that only JUST won this review when you can get a car that wins in almost everyother comparison.
Make sure to check out reviews of the North America only Integra Type S. Finally we have our own forbidden fruit. The tune is more aggressive and sounds better too
Officially the ctr has a lower tune in the US compared with the rest of the world. The engine difference between a euro ctr and a type s may not be much.
It’s so funny when I tell people my car can perform as good if not better than a m2 and they look at me like I’m speaking Egyptian😂
Interesting the comment he made about the FL5 vs the FK8 about how the newer Type R is not as exciting and doesn’t feel as fast. I do remember Throttle House doing a roll race between the FL5 vs a FK8, the FK8 was faster from a roll surprisingly.
its the wheels.... 245 vs 265.. FL5 needs diff wheels for 1/4
9:32-10:09
This is where the lighter weight becomes a factor. You see, BMW "hid" its weight, by adding a lot of electronic aid into its drive. It might feel great around a corner, but you won't get all that is explained in this clip because it weighs so much.
I'm so glad this video was made but imagine if they had used Shell V-Power®? The review would have greatly benefited from use of Shell V-Power® because of compression ratios and stuff. Amazing the power of these cars, especially when fueled with Shell V-Power®.
Send voucher code😂
Shell V-Power you say, hmm
I might be going crazy but I can actaully see the added momentum in the weight transfer through corners versus well a normal sportscar that SHOULD weigh under 3,400 lbs instead of 3,900.
Civic Type R all day!! Too bad that UK doesn't get the Integra Type S
Excellent video, the presenter is also very good.
Glad you enjoyed
I always appreciated the FK8 very much. And with this FL5, I have an option that I can drive around where the design is more appealing for a man in his 50s. Love the wide rear stance.
We've got the "not rich person" versions of both of these. 4-door '06 Honda Civic & bmw 3-series.
BMW should bring back the M235i coupe. Take the 302HP version of the company 4 banger in the M35i SUVs and put it in the 2 series coupe. That could actually be a cool and direct competitor to the CTR
That BMW is so dope . The Civic is cool but looks like an accord . The M2 is so fast and looks so good
The fake Toyota in your picture with the myriad of fake vents looks ugly as does the new M2. CTR looks like a touring car. Not sure which accord looks like a race car.
Also, for your healths sake, please don't plug in an OBD monitor into the Supra. The number of error codes might give you a heart attack.
@@wumao8842 spoken like a true Honda fanboy that has no experience with the B58.
You should also compare the experience of getting an oil change service at their respective dealerships.
Feels like there’s a story here…?
$55 for the civic and $250 for the m2 😂
@@eddsta69 Actually in reality is 0 for the BMW and 95 for the Civic.
It was 250+ for my m4 and $55 for my type r 😂 0 for the first few years with the maintenance package that costed like 1500 😂
Two cars I considered purchasing. But unfortunately here in US I didn’t feel like paying over msrp for a type r so I ordered the new M2. Picking up my 2024 M2 manual tomorrow after about 8 month wait.
Type R, its more interesting, very chuckable and not engine centric. HP isn't much use unless you have somewhere to use it.
Not more interesting but more track ready. The BMW is by far the better car overall
No wonder John Cena daily drives a Type R.
With mark up is Honda more expensive?
At least the civic doesn't look horrendous, and do you remember how all reviews slated the heavy Lexus rcf that also weighed 1700kg. So 1700kg is ok now that BMW say so.
The M2 shape is only "different" rather than "horrendous". Your perspective need a massive reevaluation.
I think this new Civic Type R is actually a bl00dy good looking car. Not sure whats going in BMW's design dept. these days. Good looking BMW's appear to be a thing of the past.
@@baoquoc3710 I know people like BMW design. Because BMW marketing tell them to.
@@baoquoc3710 It´s ugly bruh
Ive never really understood why people think more power equals more fun. Probably the most overrated statistic of a car. Lightweight and actual feedback through the car are far more important if you want something fun to drive. I have a Honda S2000 and can gaurentee its more fun than either because I feel like im in control entirely.
Not exactly, give you a 150 hp Civic sport, you will feel the pain. I own the 2023 M240i xdrive and just went to shop for a Civic sport. I tested driving the car and felt the car not even accelerating when I am pressing all the way down.
@@yujie1973 Thats because it isnt lightweight
Adding a M performance short shift transforms the gear change on a BMW, well worth the addition to cure some of ther rubbery feel.
If I was Acura I would hate articles like this.....the Civic type R (CTR) has been out for 5-6 years I believe and Acura just released the Integra Type S(ITS) in 2023 and the car that they claim to be better than the CTR in performance/daily driving is being compared against its lesser sibling and the Golf R.
If your comparing the M2 with CTR and the ITS is supposed to be better, than the CTR, what are you comparing the ITS with?
They should’ve included SHAWD as an option and a DCT. 🤷🏿♂️
Although most owners wouldn't do it I suspect a lightweight flywheel would transform that Civic into an absolute dream machine.
Rev hang happens because the ECU leaves the throttle partly open when you let off, not because of rotational inertia in the drivetrain.
@@BeanyB0bCorrect. Thanks to emissions "concerns". Technically a tune can help with rev hang.
On the road is where we can make this SEEM like it might be close.
Would take the CTR. More of a good ol JDM heads car in a new twist. Everyone and their mom with money has an M car.
*Which car would you choose?*
Test GRY from Toyota circuit pack?
I’ve never seen a more divided comment section and fan base. This guy has legit sparked a war between fanboys💯❤️🔥⚡️⚡️⚡️
Sure it can. Yes, I prefer RWD and the fun you can have with front engine RWD cars but the type R is just a very good drivers car, just different. Oh, and I wish any manual car would have the type R shifters.
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That S58 BMW engine is an absolute masterpiece. It’s the 21st century 2JZ
Will be not half as reliable though, at least longterm.
M2 is like a wide body race car. And you can get one at MSRP. Honda will charge $10-20k dealer markup.
you lost me at FWD! I do admire the attempt here tho. very interesting comparison even tho probably no one is going to be cross shopping these 2 cars.
Great reviewer, top notch. In NZ the type R is half the price of an m2. Easy choice over here. The m2 ain't twice the car.
Same deal in Israel M2 is twice as much.
Really glad I managed to grab a blue fl5.
Same in Australia. M2 is exactly double.
Can't wait for BMW to make the M2 badge black. Game over in its class.
Not really into front wheel drive sports cars. But the Honda is really cool. But paying over 75 grand for a 300 hp front wheel drive car. I will take the M2 all day long.
The video quality has jumped up on the last few videos, reminds me of the old Carfection
Thank you!
The bmw m2s performance is better, but the Honda won’t drip oil and won’t need new vanos later.
Would happily save £15k and buy the Civic Type R.
Nice voice 👌
Both Honda and BMW seem to be at the top of their game when it comes to making their version of what a performance car is in 2023 but I have a hard time believing prospective Type R and M2 owners are in the same camp, the driving experiences on offer just seem so vastly different. Makes for a good comparison though.
Thank you
Best front will drive is a mile away from an average perfuming rear will drive. The Manual M2 is not even the one to go for. The automatic M2 is in another league
@@downshiftpedalYou can't beat a manual for involvement though and I applaud BMW for offering a manual M car. Cars like these two will very soon be consigned to the history books..
BMWs are now more for brand conscious posers than real enthusiasts
@@fhowlandClown comment kid!😂
Civic as good as is were not suggesting that a potential M2 buyer is going to think "no i'll go for the Civic instead"?
This isn't a testament to Honda. This is a knock on BMW. No one in their right mind would choose a CTR over the older BMW 1M, or the first generation M2. But this second generation M2 is ugly and fat and if it were my money, I'd 1,000% take the CTR over it.
Here in America the type r cost almost the same price sometimes more than the m2 crazy but for real.
Because it's so sought after and for good reason.
America is a better place to drive faster cars, so M2 wins. @@stavroshadjiyiannis6283
I will have your unusual alternative please it’s a lot better built..not to mention it wins hands down on looks next to the shoe box odd shape of the BMW with zero styling…
I'll keep my Megane 4 Trophy R and A45S thank you.
Bmw may give a bit more on performance being rear wheel drive or all wheel drive but the type r will last longer with the performance it has. Both cars at 300k the civic will still kick ass
The M2 is a class above in every way.
Yes the Type R is a fine handling machine, but it's not a coupe, it's not RWD, and it's not got the same quality and luxury.
imo the people that go with the CTR today will regret not getting the m2 down the road after a few years.
Type R
Pretty biased take on my end fist I’d never own a fwd car again as my fun car after experiencing rwd. second I haven’t kept my personal car stock for longer then 2 weeks and the s58 with no bolt one and just a tune can do high 600 whp reliably ad a downpipe you In the 700s just can’t compare them at all after that
All right those were initial thoughts now I actually watched the video and I got to say that’s the best Honda Civic there’s ever been but this whole review goes out the corner soon as you slide one turn in the m2 after experiencing drifting I’ve never looked back front wheel drive is just not it to me And he didn’t do a single slide. Also, like I said right now, the tuning is expensive for the car cause it’s brand new for now you have to send out the ECU to get unlocked, but after that’s over a tune is only 600 plus some e85 you would have to build the motor in the Honda to get the same performance
lol I haven't watched the video but .... How many sport cars are front wheel drive Ferrari? McLauren? Lamborghini?
I would take M2 without a single doubt. G87 will be significantly faster on any track.
M2 anytime nothing in the class even close ...
It's the difference between and track/drivers car or a rowdy street powerhouse of a car