Full Bolt-On NC Mazda Miata Track Review!
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- Опубліковано 15 вер 2024
- Does the NC Miata get the respect it deserves? Today, we take take a full bolt-on NC2 Miata out for some Hot Laps at Lime Rock Park. In typical Slip Angle fashion, we begin with some grip driving and then see how the car behaves in a slide. We'd like to thank Roger for sharing this properly set up NC Miata with The Slip Angle Crew! Thanks For Watching :)
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Unpopular opinion. I believe the NC is the most balanced as far as visually. Its like a slightly bulkier NA
YES
If I was going to buy a MX-5 it definitely would be a NC......But I'm going to have to persuade my 99 Porsche boxster to let me buy one first.
It’s definitely classy looking.
yeah definitely unpopular.. the NC actually stands for "not cool"
"Red beans and rice didn't miss her."
He doesn’t look 72.. awesome.
Roger is a really cool dude!
Of all the MX5s I've had I'll always say the NC was by far the best. Surprised a lot of people who were stuck in the mental-block of the NA and NB being superior 😅
Wait. Did you say he’s 72??? I wanna age like him.
that's exactly what i thought to myself too lmao
Yup...Roger is 72...some of us old guys can still get around pretty well...that was my 30AE ND in the last video...and I am soon to be 66
Right?! Lol
Fcking fine wine that dude
Incredible oldest Miata guy meet had 20+ them
Roger seems like a fantastic gentleman. Love his NC setup, simple and effective, built for a purpose. Makes me appreciate the NC even more
Would be curious to see an actual parts list. Seems like a well sorted fun car
He looks good for 72 I'm glad he's living his miata dreams I just picked up a nc3 and I absolutely love it
DriveItRyan with the sick edit! Quinn as always with the great driving & impression... You guys are really awesome and I'm really happy to be part of this team.
🙌💚💪
Matt Wiser Dream Team! One day we’ll all be doing this for a living 👊
I think you like the NC because its an RX8 subframe.... i think i recongize the bias. i like it cause its the only 6 foot friendly miata.
That is a BEAUTIFUL SET UP.. Best Looking NC Hands Down, and I'm a 2016 ND owner and I'm even jealous of it..lmmfao.
Right on!
The NC is my favorite generation. I've owned two now. The first had only an ecutek tune and it woke it up. The one I have now is perfect. Turbo NC2 with all the goodies possible.
Really entertaining to watch, and an awesome owner! The forged steel crankshaft + stiffer valve springs in the engines of NC2s and NC3s allow those cars to have a higher redline than the earlier NC1s I believe. What I like about the NCs are that you can get another cheap Mazda 2.3 or 2.5 engine to fit in without clearance issues (unlike the NDs), so that you even more torque down low. The ITB package called the Super 225 that BBR recently announced sounds epic on their youtube channel too!
I kinda want to build one but it might be a little redundant lol
@@TheSlipAngle do it anyway 🙏 would love to see that
@@TheSlipAngle not at all NC's are great deals
@@TheSlipAngle Do it would love to see you build an NC! :D
@@TheSlipAngle You can build my NC, as long as I can keep it! I'm in the club- call me!
damn he's 72 lmao that's crazy he looks like he's in his later 50s or early 60s
That's what good sex and a fast car does for you in life.
Great video guys, very informative and great camerawork too. I use to not be a huge fan of NCs, but after seeing a video of ex-Koenigsegg test driver called Robert Serwanski in his NC overtaking a Porsche 997.2 GT3RS around the Nurburgring TWICE, whilst lapping it in 7:58 (BTG time), I have been converted. Admittedly, that Porsche driver probably wasn't as capable as the Miata driver was. Robert's NC still had a stock engine with an ECU remap. That action-packed video on youtube is called 'Nürburgring Nordschleife BTG 07:58.07 with obstacles... Mazda MX-5 Miata NC 2,0', and it now has 516,000+ views. DEFINITELY well worth a watch. I often don't care about laptimes, but Robert Serwanski's more recent videos showed me how capable and predictable the NC chassis are. Thanks to the owner for showing his NC2 in this SlipAngle video!
Love that video you're talking about, by 'turningperformance'. It was a constant 'cat-and-mouse' game where the Porsche made gaps on the straights, but the Mazda driver would always close those gaps in the corners, purely because he stays on throttle for much longer, and his throttle/brake/steering inputs were smoother. In the video description of his more recent Nurburgring video, he wrote the full specsheet of his car - 245.40 R17 tyres, removed passenger seat+AC and he seamwelded the rear subframe and seamwelded the door-openings too. Interesting that he chose to not have an LSD in his car too.
He actually did a 7:37 - ua-cam.com/video/hhWwl4bqeoY/v-deo.html&feature=emb_title
I need a drivers car. I need to drive again. It's been too damn long. Look at the smiles all round. That's what it's about, boys.
Yes!
Get an NC, life is too short. NC is my favorite car after years of love/hate relationships with Cooper S. NC, is as reliable as a Tacoma, fun, reasonably fast and just incredible fun to drive at a quick pace on backroads and at the track. Life is too short to drive boring cars! Got my NC at age 68
@@danielbertsch2498 See despite the weight, I want an NC2 or later. However, at this point i need at least 4 seats for the kiddos. I need another RX-8.
@@Powerhauz Just do it
@@Rockit181 I did that with my last RX-8. Wife made me sell it before this deployment. To be fair, it was a shitter. She said I can buy what I want when I get back though so S2 RX-8 for me.
Every time I see NC content I have to look them up again! Both fortunate and not that like all the rest of them they hold their value exceptionally well... imo a better looking rear end than the ND too
Kinda like an NA rear and slightly modded MB front face. Love it
Don't forget this car looks great on the road in race spec, when you see one of these on the highway you turn your head. BTW fantastic edit with this video! Prob best mod of this car I've seen!
As an NC2 owner in STR, i can definitely say it doesn't get the respect it deserves. owned the NA before. the NC is MILES ahead of the NA/NB chassis.
as a complete car, yes, the NC is a way better vehicle, but stock for stock my NB felt way more raw and connected than my NC. I've spent a nice amount of time gokarting as a kid and the NC doesn't quite give the same vibes as the NB, but I would take the NC over it all day because of how much more complete it is.
I've watched this video so many times for inspiration. Just saw this car on Facebook marketplace, it's a sweet build.
Where's it being sold?
@@connxt2489 Connecticut, in the Easton area I believe.
Great Miata content as always. I love them all they are just well rounded and so go cart like it’s the best drivers car for beginners and pure fun for experienced drivers on a budget. I bought a 99 base for 1500 and it’s been my favorite car out of 35 cars. Put a little money in and sweat so rewarding.
Great review , always nice to see those slides 👌
I bought NC without knowing anything about Miata's , just couldn't fit in NA that I tested . Everybody gave me the boat speech at Roadster Cup untill it started winning back to back. Car is great and really does outperform very sortied our NA and NB's on the track , and looks way better while doing it .
That's because all NA and NB owners are secretly jelly :) NC is a superior car in every aspect in my opinion.
One thing I notice watching a bunch of channels back to back is the audio levels are all over the place. Some I can barely hear, others are blasting (at my normal pc volume). Your stuff is well mixed, good job to your editors/sound guys.
Thank you! It's certainly been a long learning curve and not all of our videos had the audio levels mixed as good as they could have been but we have made a lot of progress over the years.
Quinn I think we’d all love if you made some sort of driving/tracking tutorial for improving ones skill set. I think it’s safe to say most of us can’t do what you do on the track, very impressive driving as always 👍🏽
Good to see a nicely sorted NC on the channel!!
I own an NC3.5 and I am so happy that the NC is recognized. I am not a track driver,... yet,
but hell yah! There may be up grades coming. How fun! Yah and I am 71,...so what..
Great drive. I've had an NC since last fall and I love it, started out the upgrades with mazdaspeed exhaust, meister r club race coilovers, 17x8 rpf1's and 235/45 michelins. I can't get enough of driving it!
How is the fittment of those wheels? Any fender roll needed?
@@drzack69 yes, the back needed to be rolled, front is just fine. It's that silly right angle of metal on the fender...honestly only took me 20 mins per side to roll them.
I’ve had an NA, 2 NBs, and currently have an NC1. I love my NC more than the others. The previous gens were a HOOT, but my NC just does everything better. NOT bashing the others by any means. Any Miata is more fun than nearly all other everyday cars.
Ditch the tats! Gross!!
Passenger looks like he’s scared sh-tless! LOL!
@@charlesosbun3642 da hell are you talking about?
For some reason I've never liked the look of the NCs, but after watching this I'm really warming up to them. That car looks like it'd be super fun on both the street and track.
Matthew Quinn please tell me your middle name is Ryan 😝. Same though, I wasn’t a huge fan of NC’s when they were first introduced but they have grown on me immensely 👍
Stock NCs meh......lower that car and add some Enkeis and fat sticky tires and they look like a completely different car.
wow!!...had no idea that you had an opportunity to do this. Thank you for featuring another Clubmember car that was at the Club autoX
Hats off to Roger for sharing this NC2 with us! We hope to see you at more track days 😎
Hi, we have an and are looking to put a sparco seat in it, do you know which model the seat is in that one?
Looking for my first Miata. Been focused on NA & NB, but now expanding my search to NC. Great info. Thanks for sharing.
I got a NB1 and wish I would have gone NC for the better refinement.
Make sure you go for an limited slip diff model.
Very nice review, and you really put the car through it's paces.Thank you for showing what a great car the NC is!
Really interesting to hear your take on this as I drove a modified NC2 recently and was very surprised how much better it felt than the NDs I've spent more time in over the last few years (including a few ones with similar bolt-ons). I had the same thought on the wheelbase but there's less than an inch between NC and ND. The ND's also a touch wider than the NC so I don't think the NC is benefiting from extra track width. Have to imagine a lot of the difference in the way they feel is down to just that nicer steering.
I have a 2003 SE in the garage. I REALLY enjoy the car, & that's that ;-) After a few German cars, a 90's Supra (with a few HKS toys); I honestly I think the little car may give me more smiles. Good times!
Still don't have a Miata sadly, was saving up for one then the prices skyrocketed. if I was going to buy one now it would undoubtedly be an NC. hopefully, people continue to hate on them to drive the prices down lol.
Great way to get a feel of an enthusiasts car, NiCe Bolt-on miata!
What a sweet little machine, I love the NC's as well. Thanks for sharing this 🙌
I bought an 07 NC miata from a gentleman who happened to be 72 at the time as well! NC is popular with men in their 70s apparently
I drive a gun metal grey 2014 MX 5 NC. A ten second car. It came out of the box race ready with Le Mans paddle shifters on the steering wheel. Every time I drive it I'm in a James Bond movie. When people see it they ask, 'does it have machine guns behind the fog lights?' The license plate reads 009. It's definitely licensed to kill. Does a 'Tokyo drift' nicely.
On bolt on you MUST have is header, catted or not. OE is literally pinched. AND you want the Hemholtz Mid Pipe from Goodwin Racing to prevent hearing loss from the booming exhaust drone. It bounces around the cabin even more with top up.
That car had a header and a tuner, that's why it was so quick
I'm surprised you never had an NC since you love the Rx8 considering they're the same platform.
All miatas are sick!
That Miata is gorgeous and it sounds so good I love the way he has it.
BRO this Video is Best NC Roadtser Miata video I have seen and Enjoyed the absolute most, This is Tastefully modded Miata , Exactly all right things and stills looks simple yet beautiful Sharp ALL rounder track Daily setup, I love IT , ME GUSTA!
this video helped me convince myself to get NC2 or NC3 PRHT Club Manual over several choices. thank you !!!
Awesome!
that guy seems rad! cool video and great review as always!
Thanks!
Nice NC he's got there!
Now i want a NC.
All NCs with the 6 speed have an LSD standard and the 09+ have the upgraded internals for higher revs.
One cool swap on any of them is the Ford Fusion 2.5L swap
No. You need the suspension package to get the LSD.
@@Chilicharger665 It always differs if its USA or EU market. In EU all 2.0 NDs and NCs have lsd and in USA it isnt the case.
sarmy yes, and in this case the market the car is in is the US.
I’ve heard about that swap, but still don’t see much.
NC is how is it baby! Been rocking my build for years. Need to start tracking it hard again for some content.
Great driving impressions from Quinn, that NC is nice, made me want one!
Nice guy right there
Not sure If I should be happy that the NC is getting the recognition it deserves or unhappy that the NC1 was mildly shit on : l
my thoughts exactly as an NC1 owner lol
@@bradleybatt1401 exactly :(
I think the nc 1 is disliked mainly because the front bumper and there are like no forged internals on nc1. If anyone else has anything to add please do.
Well I bought the NC1 because I did not want the smiley face. When I went to Goodwin for a Supercharger, they informed me about the cast internals so I had them install a 2.5. I just wish there was an affordable Supercharger for this car.
@@jeffreymorris7093 It sucks that the Cosworth unit is no longer available ; ( I heard the kraftwerks is rather unreliable.
Nice review. Most impressive is the owner is 72. Wow I hope I can still do trackdays at 72. That seemed to be a good little track car.
this guy is really an impressive driver
Thank you!
This guy is awesome
Can you give the name of the ECU tune you installed, the header, and cold air intake?
Nice video. I love my NC, (who cares if it's the most unloved miata) because I'm having fun! Nothing like having someone else jump in your car and show you how to properly hoon it!
My 2012 is still for sale, Quinn ;)
Did you send me the specs? Lol I can't remember
The Slip Angle 2012 with 96xxx miles. Factory limited slip, Stormy Blue Mica paint with tan interior and top. Factory HID’s. It has Tokico shocks and FlyinMiata lowering springs and sway bars. It has a lot maintenance history paperwork , too. It is getting detailed today. I am not remotely local, but I like road trips. 10k
Love to know where he got his rear spoiler from 👍
Agree, NC2 or greater. Had 1-3 and 2 (09-11 w/out DSC) is a great value proposition for this setting. And great point about too much grip (rebound) with the type of car.
NC terribly underrated and misrepresented. Most have never driven it.
Some good driving here!
Thank you!
Car looks great too!
I have a similarly modded nc and it's really an amazing car. I need to get it to a track but I know it would rip. Great video!
It really is!
I like how the driver is nervous while Quinn is completely in his element and chewing gum
Riding shotgun on track is a much more nerve-racking/exhilarating experience.
Great driving and a very knowledgeable guy too.
Thanks 👍
Great video! Coming from an NB2 owner I really think I would love to try an NC2 in the future.
In before the NC boiz get upset that it doesn't have the aluminum MOROSO coolant tank
As a NC owner, that’s the first thing I noticed!
Why would that be so important? Does the car have overheating issues?
@@jdroofcleanpw the tanks tend to crack and burst as they age. Buying a new one is fine but the 'in' thing is to buy an aluminum one
@@Dr.Duck22 Yeah, the "in thing" is wasting a lot of money. those metal tanks are so overpriced for what they are, and it all started when people started freaking out about the OEM plastic. This caused the manufacturers of the metal tanks to jack the price up. i can buy 3-4 plastic tanks for the price of one metal one and they will last me longer than the engine will.
I replaced with a OEM mazda tank from the factory, The MOROSO or DaveFab can also crack or leak. Nothing is perfect.
Be nice if there was a build list or somewhere where we Miata NC guys could check out the specs.
Yeah I want to know what suspension setup he's running...
Lol his face as Quinn drifts his car around turns at full throttle 🤣
Great review. I’m missing a review of a GT86/FRS/BRZ with bolt ons! When is that due?
Great video on a lot of levels.
Hey Quinn, how would you compare the chassis of the NC in terms of rigidity to the S2000?
It's more rigid than the S2000 😬
Probably due to the roll bar?
NC is BETTER than NB, but not as stiff and flexible vs S2000. Mainly due to S2000 having a "Xbone". NC has similar but doesn't go all the way to the front and rear sub frames. With under braces from Beat Rush or AutoExe, they will come close to S2000 but still not as good. Shows a lot when you put in equally strong springs.
@@karltaht2370 the roll bar doesn't hurt, but his was a Hard Dog and I don't know if it's braced or not. My Blackbird Fabworx RZ (works with the soft top) is SCCA-legal braced, and I'm getting ready to replace it with the heavier duty BBFW GT3 bar (no soft top) which has even more support..
I haven't driven an NC, but intrinsically found the claim that it was stiffer than an S2K surprising. I have a harddog single bar in my S2K, and even that is nice improvement in chassis rigidity over stock.
you drove the snot out of that dude's NC. Nice. now Im shopping these, i need one lol. The guy had a really good time too haha
I kinda want one too lol
I kinda had mine delivered this morning at 10:05 AM by Carvana with 37K on the clock, hard top.
@@edwardschmitt5710 nice! Carvana is a good service. My mother just used it. Make sure to test it well in your grace week. They’ll fix or trade the car out no problem and its so seamless haha.
@@SicSemperBeats It came with two new scratches and they are already scheduling me to fix them.
@@edwardschmitt5710 NICE! Cant beat carvana. The little extra they charge (some cars arent even high tbh) is 100% percent worth it. Glad you got it
So much grip you lose your hat! This is a sick miata and so awesome this older man tracks it. He ages well!
Bobby RioS2K seriously though! Maybe track days are the key to staying young 🤔
@@DriveItRyan hmmm... maybe your on to something! I need to get to the track!
Tunes don’t make anything on a NC I have a dyno tune on my car it took a reputable tuner 3hrs to make 2whp. Dyno before and after your tune if you don’t believe. All the power is in the header a catless header will make 11-15whp buy a header!! The rest intake exhaust and tune was worth an additional 5whp. Nc2’s are slightly better stock but just slightly my 08 nc1 has 110k of well maintained abuse a raised rev limit 7500rpm lots of autocross track mountain driving and it has held up extremely well no engine issues at all. The stock limited slips will not hold up long to large sticky tires I’ve wore the clutches out on two.
man this things is sexy! NC´s are growing on me by the day haha
Dropping in a Ford Fusion motor is the final "Bolt On"
Individual throttle bodies. The video on youtube called 'BBR Super 225 NC' shows how angry ITBs sound with the stock 2.0 engine.
Hey guys! I sent Quinn a message via instagram but haven't heard back. I'm a local CT UA-camr building a DIY, budget turbo NA that I'd love for you to check out and compare to a Flyin' Miata kit. I think it could make for great content, and a great time, for both of us. Let me know if you're interested!
Let's see a project NCeeDos! Upset the Miata family
I didn’t know you could get engine performance out of a NC. Need more info on mods done.
A full exhaust and tune gives them a decent bump
The Slip Angle How’s that Indian running?
My 2006 NC1 has a refreshed low-mileage 2013 2.0L (Jesse Prather Motorsports-built) with stock block and head, cams, intake, and exhaust, and tuned for E85 - 190whp @7700, and still making power at that point (set the rev-limiter at 7800 for longevity, but can easily go to 8k).More here: www.good-win-racing.com/mazda/miata/gallerycar/11.html#gallery-top
There's turbo and Supercharger kits out there. Supercharger is now out of stock. Good Tuning is what it takes to make it not blow the engine. No internals upgrade needed
I'd love to know exactly what exhaust set up he has. It sounds amazing!
Thanks for showing me how to run the NC. I have a stock '07 and I've been reluctant to run it so hard at redline on the track like you did, afraid I might break a rod or piston.
The 2006-2008 motors weren't as good as the 2009+ motors which got forged internals and stiffer valve springs, and a higher red line because of it. I found a salvaged 2013 with a low-mileage (18k) motor, and it revs easily to 8k.
@@chrisrobbins4984 yep understand that. Hopefully the rev limiter will protect against breakage. I'm just not used to running an engine at that speed for extended periods. Actually Mazda went w/ forged crank & rods to reduce some hi speed noise they discovered in the 2.0 2nd gen and that allowed the motor to redline at higher revs. It wasn't done so much to allow it to be more of a race motor, but to be smoother when pushed. I think all the Ford duratecs are forged now. What I really wish for is a turbo system on my NC1 2.0 that will stay under redline and still give me 275-300hp safely.
@@Oldpuck81 setting the rev limiter with any ECU tune will do that for you. Supercharging is also less heat and shock to the system, and give you the power you're looking for.
Huge respect for the owner damn
For no particular reason I wanna see Quin drive a turbocharged NC1. Also unpopular opinion but the NC1 with a badge delete and bumper smoothed over is the better looking NC.
Great review. I am surprised the track insurance companies allow being on track with no helmets!
It's the way to do it. We can a track day at Toronto Motorsports Park and it was so relaxed that it made for one of the best track day experiences ever.
I don't care what anybody says the NC is a damn good looking car especially with its little wide body fenders that Dodge decided to steal lol. There's a thought for everybody. And especially the back of an NC it looks really good
Agreed
You really did a number on those tires
Check out serwanskis (ex Koenigsegg test driver) UA-cam channel, he really have set some unreal lap times with his NC. ua-cam.com/video/hhWwl4bqeoY/v-deo.html at the ring for example
I wonder what coilovers he got on? Ohlins or meisterr?
I wish I knew his suspension setup
Enjoyed the video and review. Cheers
Owner: "How much do you charge to determine if it has an LSD?"
Track Demon (w/ an evil grin): "It'll cost a set of tires."
LOL, nah light cars are easy on tires :)
Having recently bought a low mileage NC1, I'm always slightly worried by the comments that you should get an NC2 and up... Still absolutely loving it though.
My bought-new 2006 NC1 has 90k+ and still running strong. Granted, I swapped motors at 78k for a 2007 Mazdaspeed-sealed MX-5 Cup motor (which developed rod-knock at 12k), and now have a built 2013 motor.
Let it blow up and do a 2.5 swap
fellow nc1 bro here, blew up my 2.0 and bought a 2.5 for 200 bucks. Dont worry about your engine : D
@@phillipbiros3046 what do I need to do to find a 2.5 for cheap like that?
@@teepiece The wreckyards over here in socal helped my situation, a website called carpart is what I used to find mine. 👍
MX-5 NC The agile motor for drivers! : )
Finally an nc!!
Can anyone provide a list of the mods in this car?
I might have missed it but do they state what suspension setup this has? (Coilovers, shocks/springs, chassis reinforcement, sway bars etc)
This guy is the same age as my dad. But this guy looks 20 years younger...
when are these track events at Lime Rock? somewhat local and would love to hangout and drive awesome NC BTW
That was the Nutmeg Miata Day that they run once a year there. They advertise for the event on Miata.net
This year we sold out all 40 spots to club members. We limit the event to 40 drivers so that seat time is maximized. And because we don't try and make a profit we can make it a good value. Lime Rock also runs several day each year that are open to the public. I think we have a few members that pay dues and this is the only event they do all year 😂
What's wrong with the NC1? I like the body style more, are there any major downsides?
Nothing wrong with it I have one lol but they got better as the years went on between engine suspension and chassis revisions but all of them are cracking
pricier than the older models but theyre good if you can afford it
@@christopherbazaka1564 right I'm just wondering if the NC1 has any drawbacks or major differences vs the NC2, or if it's minor things similar to the differences between early NAs and later NAs, NA vs NB, etc (things that are relatively easy to upgrade on the early models).
@@pleasedrivefaster873 biggest difference is the conrods are not as durable. Rev limit is set a bit lower. Even so they are reliable normally aspirated up to about as much as you can push out of them normally aspirated. Other than that its mainly cosmetic differences. And jf you blow it up the 2.5 is an economical upgrade. My nc1 has been bulletproof so far with plenty of rev limit bouncing. 180km on it and ive put 70km of those.
@@robmcilroy1894 thanks for giving a real answer