The Yankees in Freefall - Mets Take a Step Back

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  • The Yankees are in full freefall. Mike Francesa looks at how they got there and why Aaron Boone shouldn't be taking the heat. Mike also answers listener emails on a wide variety of topics, including why the Knicks should trade Randle & the Biden-Trump debate.
    00:00 Yankees missing Stanton
    17:36 Mets take a step back
    24:07 Emails: Eddie Murray's place in history, Better coach: Kerr or Spoelstra?, NFL Sunday Ticket verdict, reaction to Biden-Trump debate, Knicks chemistry
    #yankees #mets #mikefrancesa #betriversnetwork
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  • @MikeFrancesaPodcast
    @MikeFrancesaPodcast  21 день тому +7

    The Yankees are in full freefall. Mike Francesa looks at how they got there and why Aaron Boone shouldn't be taking the heat. Mike also answers listener emails on a wide variety of topics, including why the Knicks should trade Randle & the Biden-Trump debate.
    00:00 Yankees missing Stanton
    17:36 Mets take a step back
    24:07 Emails: Eddie Murray's place in history, Better coach: Kerr or Spoelstra?, NFL Sunday Ticket verdict, reaction to Biden-Trump debate, Knicks chemistry

    • @ArvinGopie-pb8jd
      @ArvinGopie-pb8jd 21 день тому

      Mets look done team and bullpen season over Dikeman looks done get him outta here

    • @ArvinGopie-pb8jd
      @ArvinGopie-pb8jd 20 днів тому

      Mike mets need to add the kitchen sink to this mets team look out of it

  • @josephlinnell9855
    @josephlinnell9855 21 день тому +21

    Just walk Judge and Soto. And you win. Love it

    • @GeraldM_inNC
      @GeraldM_inNC 21 день тому +1

      You beat me to saying it!

    • @TheodoreRizzo
      @TheodoreRizzo 21 день тому

      Include verdugo there. He got plenty line drives on his bat.

    • @michaell8002
      @michaell8002 21 день тому

      ​@@TheodoreRizzoill pitch to doogie now. First pitch, pop up city

  • @TheodoreRizzo
    @TheodoreRizzo 21 день тому +4

    I never trusted volpe, rizzo and Cortez with his antics in the mound this is garbage!!

  • @gordonstarship
    @gordonstarship 21 день тому +7

    Good or bad news, I love hearing Mike talk Yankee baseball

  • @3773dc
    @3773dc 21 день тому +6

    The Yankees miss Gene Michael period. Cashman is a clown

  • @claydouglas2526
    @claydouglas2526 21 день тому +11

    The Yanks need to bring in both Giambis over the all-star break

    • @anthonyreyes8868
      @anthonyreyes8868 21 день тому +4

      One Giambi is cheap too all he wants is to be released from the pearly Gates

    • @jimerrigo7142
      @jimerrigo7142 21 день тому +1

      I think one of them died

    • @cimerti
      @cimerti 20 днів тому

      😂 have you posted this before? What does it mean?

  • @Hockeypro1094
    @Hockeypro1094 21 день тому +6

    What the hell happened to DJ. He has been terrible.

    • @johnfalcetta5431
      @johnfalcetta5431 21 день тому

      He had 1 and a half good years here.

    • @tpc3347
      @tpc3347 21 день тому +2

      DJ has always been one of the hitters least likely to pull the ball out of anyone in the entire league. Hitters of this profile absolutely must maintain at the very least an average line-drive rate in order to buoy their production. DJ's line-drive rate has been falling for years, and this year it absolutely cratered.
      DJ's line-drive rates during his two most productive years were 26.6% and 23.7%, both well above average. This year? 13.8%, which is one of the lowest you will see for any starter. His profile was always a majority ground balls anyway, now he's at a stunning 58.8% ground ball rate.

  • @josephlinnell9855
    @josephlinnell9855 21 день тому +8

    As a Mets fan I feel like they are spinning the wheels Yes they have made me interested but our pitching is a debacle.

  • @ld3789
    @ld3789 21 день тому +6

    Yanks suck Mets sucks. Back afta this

  • @AnthonyScarpa-er3sq
    @AnthonyScarpa-er3sq 21 день тому +8

    The Mets loosing 2/4 to the Nationals was a major step back ! Should've been a sweep or at least 3/4.. If they don't take advantage of this easy schedule these next 2 weeks their not going to make the Wildcard

  • @johnfalcetta5431
    @johnfalcetta5431 21 день тому +4

    Quickest way to fix the Yankees is to FIRE CASHMAN

  • @josephlinnell9855
    @josephlinnell9855 21 день тому +3

    Mike i always appreciate your time and effort to give your take on the local sports and the occasional political world. God Bless. Been listening since 1990.

  • @StevenFeldleit
    @StevenFeldleit 21 день тому +6

    Stroman is historically a 500 pitcher

  • @Pnanasnoic
    @Pnanasnoic 21 день тому +4

    Mike is right on point about Soto's smiling, self-promoting, antics. He's the only man with the brains to notice it and the eggs to say it.

    • @MrMytube60
      @MrMytube60 21 день тому

      And he is going to want 60mil a year! Keep him

    • @Pnanasnoic
      @Pnanasnoic 21 день тому

      @@MrMytube60 If the Yanks tumble for another three weeks they should trade him! And Gleyber, of course.

  • @Pnanasnoic
    @Pnanasnoic 21 день тому +3

    Love ya, MIke. Thanks for the show.

  • @matta6395
    @matta6395 21 день тому +5

    The Reds are a quality team

    • @TOCC50
      @TOCC50 21 день тому

      So are the Pirates

    • @tpc3347
      @tpc3347 21 день тому +1

      Mike knowing anything about the NL Central ever challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)

    • @Vgamer-zn3ms
      @Vgamer-zn3ms 18 днів тому

      Yeah, sure. They stink. They just got swept by the Tigers.

    • @Vgamer-zn3ms
      @Vgamer-zn3ms 18 днів тому

      @@tpc3347 Because nobody cares about those trash teams.

    • @tpc3347
      @tpc3347 18 днів тому

      @@Vgamer-zn3ms It's a young team with hella talent and hella injuries. You're a huge casual.

  • @jkaylin6
    @jkaylin6 21 день тому +4

    thought he didn't like Stanton since he came from the Marlins?

  • @joshuawheelock8874
    @joshuawheelock8874 21 день тому +3

    If you miss a guy with a sub .800 ops who strikes out a ton that much then it is just poor lineup construction

  • @user-de9re1uc4e
    @user-de9re1uc4e 21 день тому +3

    The Football Giants' season will still be over before the Yankees'.

  • @sportingchances9761
    @sportingchances9761 21 день тому +5

    The reds actually have a lot of talent, maybe the Yankees just aren’t as good as they seemed before

    • @_BigTimer85
      @_BigTimer85 21 день тому

      Novel idea, isn't it?

    • @Vgamer-zn3ms
      @Vgamer-zn3ms 18 днів тому

      The same Reds who got swept by the Tigers. Just stop.

    • @sportingchances9761
      @sportingchances9761 18 днів тому

      @@Vgamer-zn3ms well what does that say about the Yankees?

  • @mmcgahn5948
    @mmcgahn5948 21 день тому +3

    Another overlooked loss to injury, Clark Schmidt. He was having a very good year before the injury.

  • @barbaracaroll
    @barbaracaroll 21 день тому +3

    The Yankees need more than just Stanton the whole team is breaking down the pitchers the hitters every body is slumping at the same time

  • @JohnDiaz212
    @JohnDiaz212 21 день тому +2

    Where are you going to get 24 points 6 assists a game if you take away randle

  • @simondaughtry4619
    @simondaughtry4619 21 день тому +4

    Mike Kay and Mike F. ~back to back Jacks... total NYY blitzkrieg.

  • @Yankee49
    @Yankee49 21 день тому +2

    So now Stanton is indispensible? Every year he is out of the lineup at least 2 months and ususually is horrible except for an occasional homerun. This year he started out better than usual. Don't expect he will be all-world when he returns!

    • @tpc3347
      @tpc3347 21 день тому

      You don't understand the sport buddy, it's okay. Mike isn't saying Stanton is all world. What he's saying is he provides protection in the 4 slot for Soto and Judge. Alex Verdugo and his noodle arms won't make teams think twice about pitching around Soto and Judge all game. Stanton existing in the lineup means Judge will see 2-5% more strikes, which makes all the difference in the world.

  • @l.rongardner2150
    @l.rongardner2150 21 день тому +2

    Stanton needs a conversation with Anthony Rendon of the Angels on the key to staying the lineup and productive after you get a long-term mega $$$ contract.

    • @TOCC50
      @TOCC50 21 день тому

      Mike Trout

    • @tpc3347
      @tpc3347 21 день тому

      Never, ever compare Stanton, somebody who at least truly loves baseball, with the criminal Anthony Rendon, who has zero desire to ever play the sport again.

  • @uninformedopinion1668
    @uninformedopinion1668 21 день тому +2

    The Yankees clubhouse isn’t aggressive, there’s no energetic passionate leader. It’s Boone. The emotional masseuse

    • @chrisweidner4768
      @chrisweidner4768 21 день тому +1

      Well said; “emotional masseuse.” 💯💯☝️

    • @TOCC50
      @TOCC50 21 день тому

      Same with Cora

  • @chriscolfer2915
    @chriscolfer2915 21 день тому +1

    Mr K is a no show anywhere lol. Great Job Mike.

  • @aa697
    @aa697 21 день тому +2

    I don't know why most baseball pundits thought that the acquisition of Soto and to a lesser extent Verdugo was the be all and end all to the Yankees' problems.

    • @scottcarroll1913
      @scottcarroll1913 21 день тому

      Bc they don’t realize that Aaron Boone is really the culprit. Red Sox have a manager who gets guys who are career retreads to play well, Yankees don’t. Cora can manage a pen, knows when to pull his pitchers, the Red Sox outside of Duran, Devers, maybe Wong aren’t that good they’re just better managed.

    • @tpc3347
      @tpc3347 21 день тому

      @@scottcarroll1913 Tyler O'Neill and Triston Casas are 100x better than any position player on the Yankees not named Judge and Soto. I will say one thing though, the Sox pitching coach has done a fantastic job with their staff. He's maximized every starter except Bello and he's maximized their bullpen as well.

  • @RobynHood1021
    @RobynHood1021 21 день тому +2

    The Yankees just weren’t as good as they seemed during that stretch and are not as bad as they seem now ..they are likely a 90-95 win team..

    • @michaelcaputo4187
      @michaelcaputo4187 21 день тому +1

      there not winning 90-95 games they will miss the playoffs again this season they are awful

  • @yotoober1
    @yotoober1 21 день тому +1

    "..... let's be honest... time to bring back leadoff Mick the Quick 😂

  • @jovonbrown4703
    @jovonbrown4703 21 день тому +1

    Facts 👍 U said 💯 Mike some of these Guys should not be Yankees

  • @Momus2024
    @Momus2024 21 день тому +3

    i was the first to say the stinkees would never win a WS..until cashman goes,,,which means the zero manager should have been gone years ago...its a horror show because they do not know how to put a team together....from roster to manager

    • @ld3789
      @ld3789 21 день тому

      lol “the first to say” is hilarious

  • @chrisweidner4768
    @chrisweidner4768 21 день тому +1

    When you realize the mojo belongs to Geovanny.

  • @nangaeboko6710
    @nangaeboko6710 21 день тому +1

    I still want to see Randle play with the “ Nova four” before trading him…

  • @mykelc205
    @mykelc205 21 день тому +2

    Dominguez getting hurt at the same time time as Stanton set this offensive slide in motion. That was eventual pivot but it didn't happen.

    • @mmcgahn5948
      @mmcgahn5948 21 день тому

      Dominguez, and his total 38 MLB at bats, is an unproven commodity

  • @ld3789
    @ld3789 21 день тому +2

    This political rant is legendary 27:45 😂

  • @JimmyFlorida337
    @JimmyFlorida337 21 день тому +1

    The Yankees saw their Lead-Off hitter and he was in a Reds Uniform. Jonathan India would be perfect for the Yankees at the Lead-off Spot. If the Yankees could acquire India and let him play 2B every day. And then you can move Gleybar Torres for some arms. Whether another starter or maybe a bullpen arm. India was the NL Rookie of the Year a few years ago... He would thrive in Pinstripes.

  • @domenicdurante966
    @domenicdurante966 21 день тому +1

    Stanton is not the answer.The Yanks had already begun their slide before he got hurt.

  • @clemersmonroe5183
    @clemersmonroe5183 21 день тому +2

    It’s boones fault for batting JD Davis instead of rice. But sure Mike I’ll play along

  • @michaelcaputo4187
    @michaelcaputo4187 21 день тому +2

    Grissem leadoff hitter ????? hes not a leadoff hitter he sucks

  • @stgreenie
    @stgreenie 21 день тому +1

    Look at Stanton's career playoff numbers and tell me that he is not a clutch player

  • @snuffyballparks6501
    @snuffyballparks6501 21 день тому +1

    It will take 'G' 100 PA to get his timing back... IF he does get going again.

  • @TOCC50
    @TOCC50 21 день тому +1

    Just got embarrassed by the Red Sox 😅

  • @WW3_Soon
    @WW3_Soon 21 день тому +3

    Yet GM Brian Cashman isn’t doing anything to right this leaking ship!

    • @Americansfinest21
      @Americansfinest21 21 день тому

      Which isn't shocking because the universe knows he's safe no matter what happens

    • @Johnnyrocks34
      @Johnnyrocks34 21 день тому

      What should he do?

    • @Americansfinest21
      @Americansfinest21 21 день тому

      @@Johnnyrocks34 not trade for JD Davis

    • @Johnnyrocks34
      @Johnnyrocks34 20 днів тому

      @@Americansfinest21 thats what he shouldn’t do! Lol

  • @StevenFeldleit
    @StevenFeldleit 21 день тому +3

    Rizzo not right since last year incident at first base

    • @GeraldM_inNC
      @GeraldM_inNC 21 день тому

      Clearly he never recovered. Very sad!

    • @StevenFeldleit
      @StevenFeldleit 21 день тому +1

      @@GeraldM_inNC agreed it also seems their medical staff did not handle it well from the onset

    • @edwardbailey9759
      @edwardbailey9759 21 день тому

      Clint Frazier redux

  • @CR-xu2mw
    @CR-xu2mw 21 день тому +1

    I said to let judge walk & dismantle after being swept by Astros if Yankees don't snap out of this and there's no indication they will, what do you think Soto will fetch at deadline

  • @garrysaint-vil725
    @garrysaint-vil725 21 день тому +3

    Dè Jankees lose Boston bring out the 🧹 man 😂

  • @CR-xu2mw
    @CR-xu2mw 21 день тому +1

    Dominguez injury is what's really hurting Stanton injury and or under performance was inevitable

  • @jamesmichael5475
    @jamesmichael5475 21 день тому +1

    But this has to be on Cashman, because he entered the season knowing injuries to Judge and Stanton were a virtual guarantee, and he had no viable backup plan. Counting on a guy fresh off Ulnar Collateral Ligament repair to be a savior, when injured players often suffer set-backs in their rehabilitation. DJ and Rizzo appear finished. Torres has been underwhelming this season both on offense and defense. Grisham is not a good enough bat. Jones is not good. Trevino will be batting .200 soon. Verdugo has given the Yankees very little offensively. Boone is a terrible manager, when it comes to in game strategic decisions and handling the pitching and bullpen, just horrible. Anyone can manage a team running on all cylinders. It is Boones fault that he brings relievers. Holmes will never be a bonafide closer, because he pitches to contact, and balls put in play can always find a way to beat you, and he walks too many guys. Cortez can not beat any decent offensive team, I have no faith in Roldon or Stroman, or any Yankee pitcher outside of Cole, because they are all prone to giving up the long ball and they have no out pitch. Boone never has an answer. Time to get rid of him. Trade Torres, trade or release Rizzo, DJ. Grisham, Trevino, and most of their relief pitchers.

  • @louismcbride5623
    @louismcbride5623 21 день тому +6

    Gleyber is a bum… case closed

    • @hanhammer4319
      @hanhammer4319 21 день тому +1

      Well said

    • @tpc3347
      @tpc3347 21 день тому

      Karma for stealing him from the Cubs.

  • @bobtis
    @bobtis 21 день тому +1

    For sure.

  • @chriscolfer2915
    @chriscolfer2915 21 день тому +1

    Mike it’s called a
    NFL monopoly..

  • @aa697
    @aa697 21 день тому +1

    Let's see if as Boone says they need to do better they can restrain the Red Sox running game. If not then Boone's words will be just that words and empty words at that.

  • @edwardbailey9759
    @edwardbailey9759 21 день тому +1

    How do you go from being the best to the worst? Infuriating

  • @TOCC50
    @TOCC50 21 день тому +1

    Volpe just cost them the game by not hustling to home plate!

  • @bobtis
    @bobtis 21 день тому +1

    Missed him for sure.

  • @ReviewsRankingswithRobbySobel
    @ReviewsRankingswithRobbySobel 21 день тому

    I just don’t get Mike constantly pushing the narrative that Randle needs to be traded. He’s an All Star and All NBA 3rd team player who thrived after OG came to the team.

  • @jamesmichael5475
    @jamesmichael5475 21 день тому +2

    I do not care at all for Soto's antics when he gets a hit or Home-run, always trying to bring attention to himself, kind of reminds me of the football wide-receiver doing a dance when he makes a catch or scores and his team is down by 4 TD's with 2 minutes left to play. The Yankees have a terrible bench, even when everyone was healthy, now that a few guys are on the IL, it is strictly a minor league roster, outside of Judge and Soto. Why any team would pitch to Judge or Soto defies logic, when with bases loaded and no outs, the Yankees can not score if anyone buy those two are at bat. The Yankees are once again the least athletic team in MLB, the statistically slowest team in MLB, leading all of MLB in hitting into double plays. This is all Cashman's fault. He has Verdugo, a career singles/doubles hitter, averaging 40 rbi's per season batting 4th, when he is a 6th or 7th hitter. Yes Staton is injured, but that should come as no surprise to anyone in baseball. His lower extremities have been ravaged by injury, which predispose to future injury. As a educationally qualified Sports Physician, Sports Scientist/Exercise Physiologist, and PhD in Movement Science and Biomechanics, having performed scientific research on Hamstring Injuries, I can unequivocally state that Stanton's injuries last season were medically mismanaged. Reports indicated he sustained a Grade II Strain (partial Tear) which takes in excess of 12 months to heal in most instances, and the muscle heals with scar tissue filing in the tear in the muscle or tendon, with scar tissue being much weaker to tensile loads than was the original muscle fibers, predisposing to re-injury and/or a progression in the severity of the injury to a complete rupture requiring surgery and often terminating athletic careers. That team doctors and the NY Yankees allowed him to return to competition after only 2 months, is medical malpractice in my humble =opinion and he reason he struggled so badly in 2023. Hard to hit with no legs underneath you.

  • @SteveDave211
    @SteveDave211 21 день тому +1

    Stanton was a bad hitting hitter who outside of bad pitchers was terrible. Like Rizzo , DJ, Treviano, Dominguez you knew they was injury ??? and Stanton was no different. This team loves their injury prone players.

  • @josephlinnell9855
    @josephlinnell9855 21 день тому +1

    Can i possibly see a starter that can get through 6 at least

  • @jpast456
    @jpast456 21 день тому +3

    Yanks are like bitcoin

  • @rbrown5141
    @rbrown5141 21 день тому +1

    THEY HAVE 3 OF THE BEST 10 PLAYERS IN BASEBALL THE PROBLEM IS THE REST OF THE TEAM STINKS!

  • @doktortracy
    @doktortracy 21 день тому +19

    I divorced the Yankees a couple of years ago. Might consider coming back once 1) Boone is fired, 2) Cashman is booted, and 3) Hal sells the team ! Those are my non-negotiable terms!

    • @rootofallevi
      @rootofallevi 21 день тому +1

      Hal will never sell the team

    • @Johnnyrocks34
      @Johnnyrocks34 21 день тому +6

      Doesnt work that way. Fan is short for fanatic! You cant just be fan when things going good! Thats not a real fan. Im a met fan and have suffered for years but thats my team. Makes winning all that more special . If i turn on them cause things not going good than id be front runner. Dont be a front runner! Stick tbrough it good and bad! Yankee fans have reputation of being front runners. Ill ask who plays 2nd base and they ll have no idea! Funny stuff

    • @scottcarroll1913
      @scottcarroll1913 21 день тому

      I get it but you can’t not watch or stop following a team when things are bad that’s called being fickle. My father in law watches every orioles game even when they were 50 GAMES under 500. Im right there with you Boone is a joke, Hal is a joke, but you can’t not watch. Mets fans lived with the Wilpons wasting the careers or deGrom, Reyes, Wright.

    • @Johnnyrocks34
      @Johnnyrocks34 20 днів тому +1

      @@scottcarroll1913 its being a front runner. Only watch when everything good. Ill bet you this guy doesnt even know who plays second base. He ll have to look it up. You know how many yankee fans i get w that. They talk all this crap and ill ask them who plays second base. Real fans get it easy. Fake ones always have to think about it. Start naming names. Its a joke.

  • @MichaelThomas-gp8im
    @MichaelThomas-gp8im 21 день тому +1

    Randle for towns

  • @martincaidin4166
    @martincaidin4166 21 день тому

    This was recorded BEFORE last night's disaster.

  • @GFS695
    @GFS695 21 день тому

    Funny seeing Yankee fans clamoring for Stanton after burying him.

  • @okgood8529
    @okgood8529 21 день тому +1

    Hit Soto 1 and Judge 2, and pray.

  • @larrylegend6242
    @larrylegend6242 21 день тому +2

    Manager with zero guts.. GM who obviously has photos of Hal taking it up the 💩 cutter and 7 guys regularly makes nothing happen

  • @kenkovacs8370
    @kenkovacs8370 21 день тому +9

    Hope they never win another game!!!!

  • @paulfiore7083
    @paulfiore7083 21 день тому

    Barry Goldwater wasn't ever president. What did I miss?

  • @brewcrew5854
    @brewcrew5854 21 день тому

    Isnt this strike out the side hurl 100 % every pitch sorta proven to be a grenade with no pin ?

  • @paulfiore7083
    @paulfiore7083 21 день тому

    WE BEAT MEDICADE😂

  • @FC-gq9eb
    @FC-gq9eb 21 день тому

    Should of gotten Luis Arraez when they had the chance.

  • @StevenFeldleit
    @StevenFeldleit 21 день тому +1

    Soto will go to Mets who outbid yanks. Yanks will sign alanso to replace rizzo

    • @GeraldM_inNC
      @GeraldM_inNC 21 день тому

      Mets have tons of hitting and no pitching. Why would they invest $700 million in hitting?

    • @StevenFeldleit
      @StevenFeldleit 21 день тому

      @@GeraldM_inNC cohen can afford it and it puts fans in seat. Also his power enables them to let Pete go who is several years older. They could move vientos to first

    • @TheodoreRizzo
      @TheodoreRizzo 21 день тому

      The Mets it’ll ruin Soto’s career from the moment they sign him.

  • @lasticonoclast
    @lasticonoclast 20 днів тому

    I miss Billy Martin

  • @SportsGerbil
    @SportsGerbil 21 день тому

    The Yankees aren't in a full freefall. All teams have a couple slumps during the season. It's all going to boil down to October in that crapshute of a tournament anyway.

  • @mikejejenich-pb5zx
    @mikejejenich-pb5zx 21 день тому

    Hey 👋 mike any chance trump picks giambi. ? For vp ? I’ll hang up and listen 📞

  • @TheodoreRizzo
    @TheodoreRizzo 21 день тому +1

    L-10 2-8 😢😂

  • @garrysaint-vil725
    @garrysaint-vil725 21 день тому +1

    Franceser 🪦 Yankees

  • @savidge08
    @savidge08 21 день тому +1

    You ain’t seen nothing yet, 5-3 Soux

  • @gerardcomeau
    @gerardcomeau 21 день тому +2

    Mike Stanton is terrible and has been since the Yankees got him . The fascination of Stanto is mind-boggling .

  • @Trump-c2h
    @Trump-c2h 21 день тому +3

    Yankees suck.

  • @little_thebodyguard3032
    @little_thebodyguard3032 21 день тому +3

    I disagree Biden will win total overreaction

    • @chrisweidner4768
      @chrisweidner4768 21 день тому

      Biden winning will be humiliating to our Republic as it will prove conclusively that his criminal handlers cannot be removed.

    • @user-vg2eg7oo5n
      @user-vg2eg7oo5n 21 день тому

      It will take a few days to count the magic, multiplying paper ballots, but the landslide will go to Biden.

  • @TheodoreRizzo
    @TheodoreRizzo 21 день тому +6

    I never trusted volpe, rizzo and Cortez with his antics in the mound this is garbage!!