Buntaro's Really Bad Day?!? | Shogun Ep 1x8 Reaction & Review | FX, Hulu & Disney+
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Hiromatsu also told Buntaro to have faith and continue to serve their lord, even if it looks like torananga had given up. Hiromatsu did indeed know both his duty and his oldest friend’s secret heart.
Everyone forgets about Fuji. Buntaro is being denied death the same way. I agree Hiromatsu was letting him know Toronago did have a plan.
@@deonphil9066 We shall see if Buntaro actually catches on though. While he's fiercely loyal, he's not exactly the brightest.
@@deonphil9066 I think her contract is about up. She signed up for six months and I’m guessing we’re pretty close to that amount of passed time at this point in the series.
And most people also think “you will know what it is to be denied” was some sort of reprimand or roast like “now you will know how you treated Mariko”; when the truth is that the intention is more like “now you will know how hard it is to prioritize the cause above your own wish to end your life”.
Everything Hiromatsu said to his son was all hinting to him that “the plan is on and this is the last step to ensure a higher chance of success”. And it was intentional that he chose his own son to second him, so that he can relay this final message while making it look like a generic message in the presence of everyone, including spies and possibly traitors, with all of them nonethewiser
@@TehIdiotOne Watch the scene again. You will see Buntaro look at Toronago for a moment before he removed his father's head.
It is really cool that the guy who plays Hiromatsu accepted the role exactly because of the seppuku scene. and he nailed it to perfection
Tokuma Nishioka is a legend.
His portrayal was so badass
GOMEN!
Yabushige is so funny I can't handle it when he's on the screen.
Bro is trying his best to keep his head. 😂
He is sailing between cliffs and shallows better than the Anjin.
Time to write another will.
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The writing in this series is so good. As viewers, we are always like, "Toranaga definitely has a plan!"
Now imagine Ishido and others, they have known Toranaga for a long time and more deeply than we as viewers have.
When we as viewers refuse to believe that Toranaga doesn't have any plan, how could Ishido and the others believe it? They are already suspicious of him, they are cautious because they know him very well.
This is why Hiromatsu's sacrifice was so meaningful. Even as viewers at this point, we start questioning, "Wait, does he really not have any plan?" Until the end.
This tells you just how important and effective this farce is. Even when we the viewers are confused, Ishido who is already thinking that he's won would definitely believe that Toranaga has given up. That's the master plan.
People say that he went too far and it was unnecessary but I think it was essential for the plan to succeed.
I agree. He would have died if the surrender was "real". Or he might have died in battle with his lord.
His sacrifice furthered the plan and may have saved many lives if Toranaga can depose Ishido with a surprise attack.
I suspect Toranaga's plan is to get inside Osaka and take down Ishido without engaging their armies.
@@chadnine3432 Who's going to Osaka next episode? Yabushige, Blackthorne and... Lady Mariko. Who have we been told twice now has a destiny to strike a blow against Lady Ochiba/Ishido? I'd say Toranaga's plan is about to land. It's funny, the one person I'm not sure about how they get to where the story needs them to get to is... Blackthorne.
When such a trusted and oldest true friend like hiramitsu performs sepuku, it pretty much eliminates all doubt that their lord is on their way down, so yah it was necessary to MAKE SURE that everyone who needs to be, is totally fooled. I'm a single move, he secured the obfuscation of the master plan at all cost. If it wasn't him, a plural amount of supporters would have to probably do it in his stead in order to garner a less than 100% effect. He sacrificed the rook.
That stare between Hiromatsu and Toranaga shared during the seppuku scene was so powerful. Hiromatsu did his duty..that took guts......✌
literally...
You said "Mariko's secret room"
The place is called "Cha-shitsu" (tea room).
Did you notice how, when she entered the teahouse from the garden, she had to stoop through the low entrance?
All guests must enter through this small opening.
There is meaning in the size of the entrance.
With a sword at your waist, it would be cumbersome to enter.
The teahouse is a safe space, a kind of neutral zone.
日本人です。
貴方はとても詳しいですね。
しかし、少し付け加えさせていただきます。
この時代に確立された、茶道と言う文化です。入り口が小さいのは、身分が高い方も、身分が低い方も腰を屈め、頭を下げなければ、茶室には入れない。つまり、身分の高い低いに関係なく、礼儀とマナーのルールを守り、侘び寂びを感じながら、茶を入れてくれた方に感謝をしながら、本音会話が出来たのです。
@@chamikeya3485 私も高校時代茶道部に入りましたがそういう事を教わる前にバスケットクラブに行ってしまいました。 とても勉強になります。
@@chamikeya3485左様でござりまする。
Hiromatsu's seppuku was not planned. It was intended to stop other vassals who could not trust Toranaga, and showed that a samurai vassals must be loyal to his lord and must be prepared to commit seppuku if they against lord.
Hiromatsu was forced to commit seppuku to prevent his other vassals from betraying him and to prevent Toranaga from losing his army.
あなたの解説通りだと思います。 虎長は大阪で自分と一緒に切腹を提案して、明かせない計画の中何とか広末を生かそうとしたが広末の勢いが凄すぎて止められなかった。 虎長は内心凄く無念だったと思う。
I think your explanation is correct. Toranaga proposed seppuku with him in Osaka and tried to somehow save Hirosue's life in a plan he could not reveal, but Hirosue's strength was too great to stop him. I think Toranaga was deeply regretful.
@@smari3290 Hiromatsu committed seppuku because the other vassals took up his sword. Samurai of the rank of Hatamoto or higher had enormous wealth and power, but they lived with responsibilities and obligations that they could not live like ordinary people.
I think Hiromatsu saw the fighting spirit in Toranaga's eyes, and entrusted everything to Buntaro before he passed away. That was the image of a samurai who sacrifices his life for his lord.and he trust Buntaro.
@@orihusutat1976 By entrusting it to Buntaro, he was able to sacrifice himself even more.
Hiromatsu was forced into it, but not by Toranaga. The other lords wanted to protest as well. So Hiromatsu said it was between just himself and Toranaga.
I think the line for Kiku is not a throw away. We know that Gin has insight. Kiku is her student and was taught. "If you see nothing, you are not looking hard enough" Her telling Kashigi was to help him as well. Also speaks more to it not just being a paid relationship.
Really giving the land to Gin was the first real note that Toranaga has a plan. Before he told Gin he had no future to plan for. And that hat was before he lost his son.
What would be the benefit of not losing untrustworthy generals?
@@PROVOCATEURSK all of their personal Samurai would become Ronin, and not be able to be used as troops.
29:34 that isn’t her mom. That’s the Taiko’s wife aka the one that gave her the mirror and drugged her so she’d conceive the heir
And one of the few who knows who the father of the Heir is.
Or Ochiba drugged all the other women so that they couldn't give birth. Her manipulative way to get back on top
Yeah thats why she also said "our" son
The time Hiromatsu interjected was when one retainer put his hands on his wakizashi. It was a way to deescalate. Otherwise more blood would have been shed in that meeting.
Also, Hiromatsu made a huge error earlier in the episode when he told the contingent of samurai waiting outside the preliminary meeting that Toranaga will attack since he would not send the priest back to Osaka with the message otherwise. Spies could be everywhere and there might be a spy within their ranks; that was a careless leak of communication.
The defeat and surrender needed to be sold and make their enemies overconfident and complacent. And what best way to convince the enemy than to convince your allies. And what better sacrifice than his own right hand man, who, in dying sells the defeat and makes up for the aforementioned mistake.
Also, that was why Hiromatsu called Buntaro to second him, not Yabushige or any of those senior looking retainers. He had to convey to him that the plan is still on. And that’s the coded message of “now you know how it feels to be denied”. It was not (at least not mainly) to humble his son or make him realize what he has done to Mariko. He went further and say “believe in your lord even when he seems to no longer believe in himself”. That was the most direct way of saying the plan is on without alerting any spy that there is even a plan.
Then there’s the exchange where Hiromatsu said to Toranaga that “you do believe in useless deaths” as a callback to episode one where he commits a retainer to death just for speaking out of turn towards Ishido. The understanding passed between them and the deed is done. And Toranaga was left there with the impossible task of keeping his Mask on, not showing weakness, not grieving his friend, and convincing everyone that he was broken.
Chess players would know the play: the Queen’s sacrifice. Except this time, the queen piece sacrificed itself while the king places his pawns, knights, and rooks,strategically on the board.
15:38 I swear, that was so unfair. The courtesans deserve a better class of neighbor. 😆
LOL! Toranaga had the foresight to put two diddle establishments in one place.
Toranaga’s triple bluff. Holy Fuck! What an episode! I did not see any of that coming! Right down to him faking a cough. I completely bought it
And there´s a tell: whenever he enters a place with a lot of people (and possible spies) he coughs, but at soon as he starts talking there´s no cough to be seem... also when he woke up he coughed (because there are two guys to open the doors, but the stands and walks very firmly... finally, when he´s speaking with Mariko-san you don´t hear him coughing of looking weak...
Buntaro had a tragic day, but Fuji-sama lost her grandfather as well, making it three dead family members in such a space of time! I don't know if we'll see her again before the season ends (as I think we're fully focused on War, now), but if we do, I think it will be sad to see Fuji back to experiencing such a fresh loss again.
Fuji-sama's last Episode was #7 according to the Imdb page, hopefully not true as I would like to see her again one last time.
@@ctangkau Oh, no, I hope that's not the case. I need to know what happens to her!
@@Search0Settle
I know, can't believe it myself. Hope it's not true, but if is, the dialogue between her and Nagakado in the forest was the farewell of her character.
Her last word was: "We do what we can, when we can. We can only hope it's enough."
I think sadly after this, we will know what happen to Fuji through conversations only.
@@Search0Settle btw I just saw promo for Episode 10, and you know what, I see Fuji-sama in it
@@ctangkau After that (9) episode, I didn't rush to watch the trailer (like usual), but now I've seen it and that's so good we'll see Fuji again!
I agree with you ,the best show on TV !I've been telling as many people about it as I can. I'm completely obsessed with this show .
This episode is up there on the top 10 things I ever watched on TV...
Will Buntaro ever see the sun again? He did NOT deserve this amount of shade 😂
Hiromatsu's seppuku was not planned. The other generals were not willing to yield to Toranaga's orders and were going to continue the fight. Hiromatsu knew as essentially their only superior other than Toranaga he had to take action, and he also told them Toranaga was not surrendering after the prior meeting which may have spurred them on. He established that they either had to follow him and commit seppuku or follow Toranaga, this sold the feign not only to Osaka but also to the rest of Toranaga's own people.
Shogun and The Bear have the best actors and acting, and writing in more than years for me.
Buntaro is the real star/hero of this show.
The real Buntaro was not only a great warrior, he lived longer than any of the other main characters.
i agree this was the performance episode. the one they send to Emmys to get an award. where every actor got their opportunity to ACT and get get a good portfolio
Am I the only one who wants a show just about some random adventures of Yabushige and Blackthorne? Without a translator of course :D I think that would be hilarious
Pirates of the Yellow sea.
The courtesans don´t deserve such bad neighbours.
I'm truly hoping that James Clavell wrote the part of the church ending up close to the brothel. That joke would have been ahead of it's time!
If it was these writers, imagine the reveal.... "Guess what's by the church???"
i'm not sure that this is a fiction. It might refer to the real place.
The irony is that in actual history, the person Toranaga is based on would soon expel all of the missionaries and make Christianity illegal, so no church would be built until the late 1800s. But the Yoshiwara pleasure district survived for over 300 years and was a major driver of cultural output.
toranaga saw both the courtesans and the priests as the same: hoors. 😄
What a show!
Not Ochiba's mother. Anyone else suspicious about the well-timed stroke? Like, did Ochiba figure out a way to induce a stroke in the Queen so she could take full command as the Queen-Mother?
I've never read the book so i cant honestly say if Buntaro is a wife beater. But the show never actually clarified how their entire marraige was.
Im not denying that she didnt get hurt that one night when he was drunk.
However the show has stated a few times that Mariko never wanted to marry and never loved Buntaro. She considered the Toda clan an unworthy allaince. She always looked down on him as if he was below her.
Buntaro loved her with all his heart and forbade her to take her own life. However asking everyday or every week to commit seppuku would eventually take its toll. We never saw what he did, we just assume he beat her. For all we know he could have just pushed her away as he was walking out.
Just like how Toranaga slapped her hand away when she asked him if she could commit seppuku.
Drunk Dutchman, not Spaniard. One of the interestung historical quirks of this time period is that Blackthorne is opposed to the Portuguese even though Portugal was traditionally England's ally after the Treaty of Windsor in1386, which is still in force today--the oldest bilateral alliance in existence. Except for the period between 1580-1640, when the death of the last heir of the House of Aviz placed the Portuguese monarchy in personal union with the Spanish monarchy, so England intermittently warred with both Spain and Portugal until the decline of the Spanish branch of the Habsburgs allowed the House of Braganza to reclaim the Portuguese throne.
One thing I absolutely love about the show is that they don't show Toranaga as simply a masterful general that all his people just have to follow because he's got a title and bloodline. In real life, you have to establish authority and trust as a lord to be a successful one, particularly if you're trying to do something as tough as reunifying Japan after the Sengoku Civil War Period. He has to be a consummate politician and strategist and build the sense that he should be followed, not simply assume it.
This is really the dimension that Toranaga has that Ishido and all the other Daimyos we've seen lack. He's a politician, not just assuming blind loyalty or that socially things are static. Ishido is a General and a Samurai, but in the end, he understands how armies work but not really how people work.
Twilight Samurai starring H. Sanada is one of the best films of its kind Ive seen. If you want to see another incredible performance at a bit more deliberate pace, watch THAT film.
はい、それはたそがれ清兵衛ですね。真田さんはあらゆる種類の人物を演技出来る俳優です🤗
I think Toranaga's plan does not include Seppuku. Hiromatsu did it by himself to make sure Osaka believe Toranaga's defeated. Toranaga noticed while Hiromatsu mentioned seppuku, and he let him do it.
Great reaction, however I completely disagree with your take on the music during the seppuku scene. As a musician, I feel as if the music during the final climax of this scene is absolutely incredible. It is subtle and tasteful, but that does not make it any less powerful emotionally, or musically. That’s just my opinion though; it’s definitely the best show on TV right now if you ask me.. lol
I will place my flag on this hill knowing that I will get a lot of flak for this given that I have a male portrait:
But before everything let me just say that I am happy that it was Clarus, a woman, who first spoke up an ounce of sympathy for Buntaro, shows some proper class right there. Mad respect.
I love that Mariko declined Buntaro's offer for a mutual suicide in the tea house scene. How she went about it and her choice of words, not so much. lets break it down.
1. From the flashback on episode 6, we can glimpse that Buntaro had always longed for Mariko. Mariko, on the other hand never really liked him, or even looked down on the Toda clan back then (confirmed by her saying to Ruri-hime that the Toda clan is a worthless alliance and that his father is casting her aside; and later to Toranaga that his father should have married him better)
2. We learn from the Toranaga couple's councelor arc that Buntaro did try ti aooease her but her icy demeanor never melted. And that he had to bear double insult of Sparing the life of a traitor's daughter; who later converted to Catholicism. double whammy right there.
3. then Toranaga revealed that, in fact, distancing her from the fight and marrying her off to someone who ensured she lives was part of her father's plan... BUT, come episode 7, she requests Toranaga to allow her to end her life.
we are coming from all that build up before the tea-house scene. so you can see a great deal of inconsistency in her character. it's either that or she is being consciously spiteful and saying the most hateful and vile thing that she knows will break his husband at this point. AND IT MAKES NO SENSE UNLESS THE PLAN WAS TO MAKE MARIKO SO DISLIKEABLE. and then to go around later and tell blackthorn that "when loyalty starts it has no end otherwise it is not loyalty", I call hypocrite. Just the previous episode, you asked for death from Toranaga who revealed to you your own father's grand design (a betrayal of your duty to your father and then to your Lord), then a scene before you rejected joining your husband in a seppuku of protest (a betrayal of your marriage); you really are in no position to berate and/or remind Blackthorne about the importance of loyalty.
Now, let me throw an olive branch and suggest how to better handle the scene (I am no writer so this is rudimentary but would make more narrative sense and progress Mariko's arc in a more positive way). "When we were a younger couple I resented you for the wrong reasons (this works as a good opening statement as it is an admission also of her misreading the great plans his father for her); and I know i have caused you great suffering by repeatedly asking you to let me die all this years (this shows accountability); BUT I have always respected Buntaro, the great warrior. What you are saying now dishonour's your father who have said earlier that he Believes Toranaga will fight. It dishonours our Lord whom you also doubt. And you dishonour yourself. I would sooner live a thousand years than die in this manner which you suggest"
Again, I am no writer and this is just a rudimentary thing, but I think this would have rounded her character more and would connect with her entire arc from the beginning (where we have been told that she did indeed want to die for she thought that was her duty then) to the present with every new information revealed to her giving her that change in perspective. I especially hate the fact that she did the right thing by rejecting his offer for death, and they use that as an excuse to give Mariko the right to act so vile, petty, and cruel.
And before anyone types the Usual Butthurt crap: NO, that does not mean that Buntaro's previous actions were excusable. Of course it is wrong for her to lay hands on her wife. And if he can show such effort in something as delicate and meticulous as the tea ceremony, he should have tried to communicate better with her wife instead of being this clumsy around her as we saw on screen. BUT. Nonetheless. It does not justify what she did to him here.
マリコがTea ceremonyの中で意見を言ったことが興味深いです。茶室の中では身分、性別に関係なく、全ての人が対等であるというTea ceremonyのルールがあります。
@@user-ls1uc9bg7dありがとうございます。非日本人として、これは小さいが重要な詳細であり、私は西洋の聴衆と一緒に見逃しがちです。愚かな質問:彼女が茶道で「適切」と見なされたことを言っていましたか?
By “clumsy”, do you mean cruel and abusive? It’s pretty obvious that he has beaten her on more than one occasion, so I can enjoy her dishing out a little honesty once even if I can also feel a twinge of sympathy at his sadness that his own nastiness has garnered her hatred. I think it’s sad that he sees Blackthorne treat her with kindness and respect and it elicits a better response than he’s received.
@@skbirds by clumsy I meant his attempts at connecting and actually trying to be a normal human being. I never once denied that he beat her. But where is the evidence that he did it more than once? Has the show, and I am strictly speaking about the show, ever gave us anything that could lead us to infer that he was a habitual physical abuser? All of my arguments, you can go watch the episodes and it’s all there. Everything I interpolated from what the series has shown and implied.
I am not throwing wild and baseless accusations here.
But I am open to seeing a different point of view, because maybe there is something I did not notice. So I will always welcome someone who disagrees with me and will always invite you to a civil and logical discourse in which proof is established, because I want to widen my point of view. Cheers bruv.
@@khaii13 Someone doesn't beat their wife that badly just once. It's also very clear that everyone else in the household, apart from Blackthorne, is very aware that Buntaro is a violent loose cannon, so we can assume that's because they've seen him hurt Mariko before.
The reason Lady Ochiba hates Toranaga is that she believes he set Lady Mariko's Father (Akechi) up to kill Ochiba's father (Lord Kuroda, based on Oda Nobunaga in real life). This was the great tragedy in Lady Ochiba's life that she had to come back from by becoming the Taiko's (Toyotomi Hideyoshi in real life) lower level consort, only to rise by being the only one who could give him an heir. Toranaga seems to know this is driving Lady Ochiba and really most of the conflict.
In real life, we don't know why Akechi (Akechi in both show and real life) killed Oda Nobunaga, but Tokugawa Ieyasu (Toranaga's real life counterpart) putting him up to it is one theory that historians have.
One thing that it's important to remember is that Tokugawa/Toranaga had to be terrific politicians and pretty good generals to rise out of all of the chaos of the end of the Sengoku period to found a lasting Shogunate. But they were probably politicians first.
Another thing is that Tokugawa Ieyasu is one of the most important people in Japanese history. People suggesting that Shogun have a second season are suggesting that they radically rewrite Japanese history and the show runners won't do that, this is medieval Japan, not Westerous. American version would be if there was a semi-fictional biopic about America's third President, call him Jafferson and they want the show runners to give him a third Presidential term and have him buy Alaska from the Russians. It would go from reflection of history to absurdity.
I think the "why" of Lady Ochiba is all back to the assassination of her father. She lost everything (in this show, in reality the Oda clan continued to be quite prominent) overnight due to what she saw as treachery. We were shown her fleeing her home in the middle of the night and told never to return. She forges this alternate personality that we mostly see in the show, becomes a low level courtesan for the Taiko and has a son for him that no one else seems to be able to have - I think it's heavily implied that the heir is not the Taiko's son.
Lady Mariko/Toranaga believe that Akechi killing Lord Kuroda was justified by Kuroda's persecution of Buddhist monks/the Buddhist faith, we're shown that execution scene that Mariko is escorted away from by her father. He's clearly very bothered by it. But Lady Ochiba wasn't exposed to any of that and probably wouldn't care about it if she was.
Wasn't there a war half way through the book? There hasn't been a single battle in show so far
@@markcruz359 They talk about various conflicts from the Sengoku period (lots going on), but pretty sure we have not seen any battles in the book up to this point - I haven't read the book in a decade though. I don't want to comment after point because of spoilers.
Nerdy Nightly, You can see that the sauce material ( the book) is so rich with charactors and story that it's so easy to make into a T.V. show. It's interesting to find people who have gone back to also find and rewatch the 1980's T.V. Shogun series. I wonder if the very last episode will be 90 minutes to fit everything in. Cheers, Chris Perry.
Hiromatsu realized right before he spoke to his son, that he was part of the plan but it was too late. The plan was to get everyone together to fight for Toranaga-sama, unbeknownst to them. You’re right! He’s playing a very dangerous and smart game of chess.
That’s not a secret room. It’s the tea room, a special cottage just for the tea ceremony.
So Toranaga's son died willingly, to buy time, just not the way he wanted. He was not mentioned in Toranaga's testament so I came to this conclusion
My favorite show since The Expanse, and likely tying it for my favorite show ever
Did you realize that the Toranaga's plan is a trojan horse?
i would hate to play chess with toranaga
Yall should watch Giri/Haji. Some shared cast members, and it's so so good
The only sound design I think didn’t work, is the title card. Game Of Thrones has an epic song, Shōgun does not, and it could. Some taiko drums would make that title card epic. What they have doesn’t sound of Japan, and it should.
Laughing before Buntaro kill his dad ???? I dont know if you are insecure in your life.... ? Laughing all as your defend mechanism ? But it was wrong....
Feel it, , cry.... , dont be shy... If u can laght all the time by horrible thinks, look on Fallout,,,
Buntaro is a tragic character. Outstanding performance by the actor
Question: Do you plan on reacting to (The Bad Batch S3) any time soon?
As the audience we judge Buntaro by our modern standards - he might be a model husband based on 1600s - and look his non emotional wife - who takes another man so soon after thinking he is dead - if you frame it that way - it washes away his stain in the series.
I totally agree with you. I see Buntaro as just another human being in a bad marriage. Hitting Mariko may have been wrong, but we all love to imagine we would act noble in certain situations, but you don't know until you're in that position. Mariko never said what they were arguing about the night he hit her. Yeah, we all know it was about her and Blackthorne.
Any sympathy I have for Buntaro is because of the performance of the actor. If you listen to his conversation with Mariko, he's constantly centering himself and his feelings.
After this I really need a Game of Thrones, but make it Japanese political intrigue in feudal Japan, kind of show
Shogun + Expanse withdrawals... Going to suck...
Judge people by their own cultural norms, not yours of 2024. You’ll learn this as you age.
Incredible episode
Next episode. . . Crimson Sky.
Imagine watching a different show after Shogun......I can feel the disappointment already. 😢
But as a master of trickery and a person who’s hard to read, having ‘do not trust anyone’ as his motto, do you think what Toranaga says to Mariko after Hiromatsu’s death is all true? I mean, he can say that this is his plan and Hiromatsu was on board before that day, but is it the real truth, or he just says this to Mariko so she can be more motivated to complete her mission? Mind you, his son’s death is not because he wants to buy time for his father. It’s an accident, but Toranaga just twists it and gives a so-called ‘thank you’ at the end when it’s just to suit his narrative. So for Hiromatsu’s decision to commit seppuku, it’s still being ambiguous. There is a split second of Toranaga’s expression changed in his eyes and Hiromatsu’s subtle acceptance of his ‘order’ before he said ‘so you do believe in pointless death’, but it can also be decided by them on the spot through glances rather than pre-planned. Nevertheless, the truth is not important, because the ambiguity is reality, only that, it reveals Toranaga as someone who really is as cold as ice towards any relationship. Anyone can die and he won’t feel sorry but to twist it for his own benefits…
There's so many things it could be. Maybe they needed someone to commit seppuku in protest but nobody else stepped up so Hiromatsu knew he has to. Or then Hiromatsu wasn't in on it but knew it had to be done. Or actually thought Toranaga has given up and did it.
i wasn't sure hiromatsu knew about the plan, but given that mariko seems to be on the loop i wouldn't be surprised if he was, that being said even if he didn't know the plan he absolutely made sure no bloodshed happen in the room, he stopped intentionally the generals that were about to rebel and told his son to follow torunaga even if he appears defeated, whenever out of faith or knowledge he believes there is more to this
@@a3-radioI could imagine that he keeps Mariko in the loop because she actually has nowhere to go, even Hiromatsu still could technically have a chip to gamble, being a lord and all, even if everything points to the fact that he's loyal, there's still an ever so slight chance that he could do something against Toranaga. Ochiba hates her because her father was killed by Marikos father, Marikos family has been sentenced to death, and therefore she might probably be as well, besides she wants to die anyway, and her only motivation is Toranagas cause, and he can see that she's dependable in addition to that
この時代の人は、自分のために人生を生きるのではなく、家のため、仕える主のために人生を送ります。
今の日本はその犠牲の上に成り立っています。
時代は変わりました。我々日本人は自由になり、自分のために人生を送っています。
The time Hiromatsu interjected was when one retainer put his hands on his wakizashi. It was a way to deescalate. Otherwise more blood would have been shed in that meeting.
Also, Hiromatsu made a huge error earlier in the episode when he told the contingent of samurai waiting outside the preliminary meeting that Toranaga will attack since he would not send the priest back to Osaka with the message otherwise. Spies could be everywhere and there might be a spy within their ranks; that was a careless leak of communication.
The defeat and surrender needed to be sold and make their enemies overconfident and complacent. And what best way to convince the enemy than to convince your allies. And what better sacrifice than his own right hand man, who, in dying sells the defeat and makes up for the aforementioned mistake.
Also, that was why Hiromatsu called Buntaro to second him, not Yabushige or any of those senior looking retainers. He had to convey to him that the plan is still on. And that’s the coded message of “now you know how it feels to be denied”. It was not (at least not mainly) to humble his son or make him realize what he has done to Mariko. He went further and say “believe in your lord even when he seems to no longer believe in himself”. That was the most direct way of saying the plan is on without alerting any spy that there is even a plan.
Then there’s the exchange where Hiromatsu said to Toranaga that “you do believe in useless deaths” as a callback to episode one where he commits a retainer to death just for speaking out of turn towards Ishido. The understanding passed between them and the deed is done. And Toranaga was left there with the impossible task of keeping his Mask on, not showing weakness, not grieving his friend, and convincing everyone that he was broken.
If you really think about it, this was all about Toranaga fooling US to make US believe that he was gonna fold. If they didn't that with US first this could of felt flat. At the same time they had to make US lose confidence in him to pull this off. Toranaga had me like "Bro what are you doing you are a straight Dik for doing this to the 1 person you can trust 100%?!!!!" Then I felt bad because I lost faith in him at the last second.
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Don't think of chess, instead think of the Asian board game of Go...
Nerdy is definitely someome who judges everything by todays standards. Antipathy to Buntaro and his amusement to "scathing insults" to men.
Jesus your editor butchered Hiromatsu's death scene. Making a reaction video isn't as easy as people think.
This episode has the first moment where I think the makers might not have absolutely nailed it.
I don't think the fight between the Dutch sailor and John was sufficiently built up towards. It doesn't feel quite justified by what we've seen so far. And the nature of it seems excessive. That man got beaten as if he killed the dog that John's dead wife gave him. OG show did it better IMHO.
It's a small complaint and only noticeable because the rest of the show is just so near to perfection at all times in all areas.
Which given recent dubious book adaptions is quite the relief. And I very much enjoy you guys' obvious enjoyment, too.
For me , that scene looked like John was saying goodbye to his former self by beating the shit out of a man that reminds him of the person he used to be. Pay attention how disgusted he looked when he approached the other man…that speaks volume about the state of turmoil he finds himself in and we get a more elaborate explanation about his feelings when he pays a visit to Yabu.
@@ygh9905 読みが深いですね。
@@ygh9905 That is certainly the subtext, but I feel there wasn't quite enough shown to us to get us to the point where both act like they do.
I realized how Christianity's "sacrifice" could've appealed greatly to the Japanese. The way Jesus sacrificed to save humanity must've looked very very heroic and divine.
Thank you for being real humans and not AI-reliant hacks! Seems the majority of channels making commentary videos about entertainment are AI content farms. In the case of _Shogun_ , the laziness of the creators results in utterly cringy pronunciation of Japanese names and words, and I just have to leave.
chick couldnt care less about the series just laughs along and nods....
Yep, I say nodding. ;)
The seppuku scene totally killed the episode for me, it made no sense for Toranaga to let his best general die for a scheme that has already been pulled to the perfection. Feels like they just felt like a named character had to die. Just like they did last time with Nagakado which BTW did not happen in the book.