Not including the ERA there is 128mm of armor around the ammo that is insane. Ifv auto cannon literally won't be able to hurt it. Even the Swedish 40mm will only be able to pen it straight on point blank. To the last few hstvl players I'm sorry.
@@user-su6ts9wm1h Might I remind you that Gaijin won't add DM63 or DM73 to the game because then "GeRmAnY OPP!!!1!!". And the matchmaker already puts Ruzzia and Germany togheter 2/3 matches lol.
The reason why the reload rate is slow is cause of the auto loader design having the rounds and charges placed horizontally reduces the risk of them getting hit but it means the auto loader isn’t as fast T64 and T80 series have faster reload cuz of their auto loader design but the charges which are more flammable and combustible are placed vertically which are easier to hit They would have to make a brand new auto loader for a faster speed perhaps
@@Modeus_ see that could be a issue on the part of the ppl who run the game I find it weird That or does nato rounds just have bad post pen effect I have no idea
@@mechaboy0226 If you go into a custom game with a friend and test that you'll find it's not true. Everybody repeats it over and over again to make themselves feel better but nobody wants to do the bare minimum to prove it. It's the simplest thing to verify.
No the game developers won't base the reload off irl time, the reload can eaisly be reduced to 6 seconds and faster on T80bvm, they want to just make it standard because they are lazy Devs
A Gaijin dev said they won’t add du armor to the Abrams unless someone submits “credible protection values” for it as seen in the Abrams hull and turret. But there is 0 chance they have the same “credible protection values” for Relikt and the armor of the t-90m as a whole. They also said they have no current proof the Abrams actually has a spall liner (even though that basic fact is well known enough to be Google-able) so it won’t be added in the near future. They just arbitrarily refuse to use the evidence that HAS been submitted because they don’t wanna make the SEPv2 an actual upgrade, when that’s literally the entire point of the thing.
@zyzzyx222 i haven’t been able to find any public documents that states the effectiveness of Relikt against APFSDS. If you have, i’d love to know the title of the article and the publisher
That's the classic hypocrisy of Gaijin. Uhh you don't have source for that. Continues to make up numbers for Russian ERA and modern vehicles like 2S38.
They are probably playing with the values at the Dev server, but Abrams doesn't have DU Armor, which is weird. M1A2 SEP V2 has increased weight by around 3-4 tons (compared to M1A2 SEP TUSK); if it grows a ton or 2, it still makes sense, but 3-4 tons without any improvements against KP is weird. Gaijin always said credible proof of DU armor, but it's always there, and you can find it in open sources. They add weird things like the 141 and Relikt armor that we don't know the value of.
DU isn't even good, it'd redundant and just adds weight. Du effectiveness is basically irrelevant now a days, ERA is superior to composite in our current world, why do you think the best Western AT weapons are dogshit and why russian at weapons are superior. Simple rpg7 killing merkavas and 19 hits from the best against a T90m and it drives back to base for refueling and rearming and replacement of ERA
@@battleshipman56 There is a reason why APFSDS rounds use DU and why when the UK/US sent it, Russia was mad about it and promised retaliation. It's because of its high density (68% more than lead which itself is already 11g/cm³ density) and superior stopping power due to its density. In other words, it achieved the same at a much thinner thickness. Your logic means that I can also say Russian ERA is useless, that even after using it at mass (more than "Western" countries it still has thousands of destroyed and damaged tanks. In every video you cannot assume that every Merkava that got hit is destroyed, the same applied when I saw a Russian T-72B3 tank get hit it does not mean it's immediately destroyed especially because of the bad quality of the footage. Crew ejection count as destroyed? No, again this is not War Thunder, it can be towed and repaired. Count something destroyed when there is ammunition detonation (which unfortunately quite common in both Russian and Ukrainian tank).
Very classic Gaijin to make the first ever spall liner added to the game in a top-tier Russian tank when tanks going back all the way to the M60 do not even have it yet lmao
Yup. Literally every m60 has A spall liner. The m1, basically every NATO tank since the m60 uses them. Only Russias most modern designs have spall liners, and they get it first. No bias comrades 😉
@@RJ-lg9hs a very thin NBC liner that was tested and shown to not work against spalling, only the most modern soviet designs and Russian tanks have them
@@nikolaideianov5092 But these are technical advantages from usage of multilayer dynamic protection. No one is to blame that there is no such thing on Abrams and Leopards - they have a quick reverse and shells are more powerful.
@@D87468 the m1 have composit armor that they dont have modeled(gaijin did model the weight of that armor) theyve had spall liners sence the m60s and theres a round made to deal with relick called m829a3 and a4. where are they ? Whats the point of speed if flanking doesnt work .a hit to the side of a t90m in game wont even make a crew member yellow and ammo? That bs non spall making steel will make a direct hit not detonete the ammo If you think that its fair to add the t90m as its in the dev server then your delusional
I still say that we need a Humvee with a javelin system tbh, we've seen how effective It can be irl. Plus spikes being in game shows that fire and forgets are a possibility
i think the "cool shell ejection" is the reason the T-72 and T-90 have a slightly slower reload then the T-80 and T-64. which load their empty casings back into the autoloader carousel after loading the next round. so there is no need to open a little hydraulic door to eject the casing trough, in between reloads.
Like fucking what? brits get challenger from 2027, germans get 2a7v that was introduced later than t90m and exists in tem times fewer numbers, the american updates past sepv2 is just better optics or some shit
What tanks are those? War Thunder has pretty much reached thé modern day with thr ground lineup, including tanks from within the last decade (T80-BVM, Leopard 2A7) The only things left to add are mostly low-production or prototype vehicles, like the T-14, Abrams X etc.
@@urielOrnstein "Many more SEP variations" Huh? There's 4 versions of SEP in total (3 in actual service) and they recently announced the upcoming v4 upgrade has been cancelled. That only leaves SEP V3 (which arguably should have been been dropped in this update) - what are all these other variants then?
Everyone will get new darts befor February if its implemented like this, especially if it remain this blatantly op. Im a russian main and this thing in broken
It's not broken, irl it's the worlds best tank ever combated, only the T14 is better. Cope with western bs propaganda, show me a tank that can take 19 hits from the most advanced western AT weapons and complete its mission and drive back for rearming
@@hdehilter9016bs abrams is a shit tank, and if it gets new round, then Russia should get Vacuum 1 & 2 to be equivalent, as 3bm60 is under performing with its penetration which has been nerfed by over 130mm mm from irl statistics
I don't know where you got that the Turret Bussell was for the ATGM's, but that's incorrect. The rear of the turret is designed for ANY of the extra ammunitionto be placed into to reduce risk of crew compartment ammunition detonation in case of a successful penetration. It has removed all extra ammo from the crew compartment, at least, IRL it has. In game if you are a dumbass and take 5,000 rounds of 3BM60 it might still fill the crew compartment with ammo outside the carousel.
Collectively, the 4km R gear makes this thing more of a nightmare to face. It just gives it's owners less of reason to pull their finger of the "W". So I guess we can expect them even sooner at our spawn now. It's gonna be even more like playing a tower defence game on hard difficulty now
The fact they modeled the spall liners on this really irks me. NATO tanks not having spall liners (that they have had from the beginning!) Is just proof of more Russian bias.
4-6 layers of armor, if you pen that theres also 50/50 chance that rounds just disappear instead of making explosion and whats the reason with leo 2a7 that has only 652mm of penetration?
Gaijin doesn't know the penetration values of rounds, they calculate it with programs and more things and then they balance it, if it wasn't for the balance 3BM60 should pen as the DM53 or even more (the one we have in game, irl DM53 is way better)
Because if they give better penetration they will have to give Russia access to Vacuum 1 and Vacuum 2 shells wirh upwards of 1000mm of penetration, tested and is standard issue on T14 and T90m
@@battleshipman56 yea but 6 layers of side armor is good even if T-80BVM can somehow eat whole apfds with ammo when armor on other MBT's works like a joke
Gaijin casually adding in a Russian tank with nearly 0 weak spots, and what weak spots it has don't kill the thing Meanwhile US gets SEPv2 with 0 additional benefits to it what so ever. It was always said that the proper counterpart to the German Leo 2A7 and Russian T90M would be the SEPv3 with proper kinetic ERA protection since Gaijin refuses to add the proper frontal DU hull armor, but as usual Gaijin has just gave the US tech tree the middle finger.
You can easily penetrate a T-90M’s Lower Front plate and Its drivers Port/Window I’ve tested It In the Dev server, and have destroyed the T-90M by penning those areas. what do you mean “ 0 Weak spots “ Lmao?? Yes the front of the T-90M is hard to penetrate from all the Relikt ERA, But dont say It has 0 weak spots, also I do agree with you, they did the M1A2 SEP V2 TUSK dirty as fuck, it doesn’t even have the round It used In real life, M892A3 APFSDS, also the ERA is completely fucking useless against kinetic rounds with 5mm of protection, even a regular 7.62mm PKT machine gun can just Pen the ERA, no one Is going to use HEATFS on an Abrams unless they are using stock vehicles lmao
@@Spetsula ah nice. The tank has 2 weakspots, meanwhile it can lolpen everything it fights, not aiming for “weakspots”. Meanwhile NATO tanks must snipe those 2 spots, and very likely won’t wipe it out due to spalling shenanigans. very fair
@@LewisB3217 just for the record, I do think Modern NATO MBT’s, such as the Leopard 2’s, Challies & Abrams Tanks, should all get spall liners, and I do think the T-90M’s spall liner should have a somewhat significant nerf, and Gaijin haven’t given The challenger 2 OES, Leopard 2A7V M1A2 SEP & SEP V2 the proper armour specs, and Gaijin are still using the same hull and turret model for the M1A1 HC for the SEP V1 & V2 Lmao, so stupid, people on the forums have submitted bug reports, but stupid fucking moderators that are ruining the dev blog, for example trricksterr, and ruining and denying valid bug reports with these NATO tank armour issues, even though there Is valid evidence and proof.
@@meezo9980 I have seen people including myself perform very good with a single premium, but more often then not it will be some level 30 guy that bought a premium, spawns it, dies, RTB. Backups do exist I guess, especially now that you get 20 backups for free, but still they always leave dude 9/10 times those people are a pain in the *ss.
Every nation gets an incremental upgrade except arguably the best ground nation in the game, which gets a full step up. I trust that Gajin has something planned to counter this, but I fear that this tank will be allowed to have its fun alone for a bit. I'm hoping new rounds are on the way, or a rework so the Abrams ERA can beat tandem charges, or spall liners for MBTs, or anything at this point...
The T90Ms side protection that somehow has 200mm of protection against kinetic is the exact same side add on for the BVM and B3 which either means gaijin will remove the extra 200mm of kinetic protection on the sides or add 200mm of kinetic protection for the BVM and B3 which i highly doubt... Also the B3 does not yet ingame have the Relikt ERA on the upper plate so DM53 can actually go straight through the uper plate on some areas :)
About shit of russian bias this is. The chain can stop apfsds (some how) and is ridiculously op and other nations not even hving spall liner to begin with. Gaijin needs to rethink stock heatfs especially facing against this thing
I agree, they need to get rid of Heatfs for stock top tier vehicles, Its not that the T-90M is op, Its that Leopards and M1A2’s are missing their spall liners as well, and I’m hoping they’ll partially nerf some of the T-90M’s hull side protection, though this Is just the dev server, we don’t know how It’ll perform In the main public servers, though the russians have only had a single 11.7 vehicles for 2-3 years now, so I dont mind the addition of the T-90M, since the americans and germans have loads of 11.7 leopards and M1A2’s.
@@Spetsulaalso m829a3 or m829a4 sould be added if the armor isnt So just becose you have a op tank that doesnt have many tanks from that nation at that br means that its somehow Ok ??
@Spetsula I'm a Russian main, and I completely agree that the T-90m will over powered. It'll be op to the point that it won't be fun to play ( at least that's what I think ). Gajin need to nerf it protection and at least take away the spall liner until western MBTs get theirs.
Looks like theres a bug there, from what ive read the T-90M is using the 2A82 cannon and not the 2A46M-5, its also visible the cannon seems to be much longer but its the dev server.
The Merkava tank whose first models were designed to fight against Syrian and Russian tanks gets 0 kinetic protection but t90 is op so what about the Merkava 4 can't you give it some more plates of armor to make it strong considering that it weighs 65 tons in the game and 70 in reality. In reality the 120 millimeter of the merkava can fire missiles (I don't know anything classified)
I was always quite hesitant on calling "Russian bias" , but this takes the cake. We have clear IRL evidence that this vehicle is not anywhere near as they are adding it now. Relikt is at best a prototype that they can produce in limited numbers (anyone remember the bags of sand instead of ERA?) and most likely not as protective as claimed. There is strong evidence that "best" thermals that Russia has access to are 2nd gen dives based off of a French design Western tanks have had spawl liners since at least the 80's and we know that a BUNCH of Western tanks are missing a large part of their composites. I know that with modern vehicles the lack of documentation will always cause difficulties, but it seems that its a "rules for the west, but not for russia" kind of deal with any of the bells and whistles....
Well that what you call an tank for that you dont need skill , i think even a noob with 0 or even 1 hour in this game can make an kill with that can , and can not be killed i would even say that russia takes no skill ( just point and shot thats it like the chopper or jet´s) well at least they sad they got info about the leo 2 spall liner and would add it in the next 2 or 3 week´s , and even before the t90m russian tanks did not kill to spall and now give it that and call it a "FEATURE" nice logic , FUN FACT : puma is not able to pen the t80 or i think now the t90m from the side just because of era .
It's decent armor against tank rounds I guess. In Ukraine most of these T90M's die to artillery, ATGMs (Stugnas which are kornets basically) and drones that hit the roof. Neither of those is big in WT.
What does the destruction of the T-90M’s In ukraine have to do with the T-90 having good frontal armour, what?? This makes no sense, if you are using this kind of excuse , I can say the same for the Leopard 2A6’s, Challie 2’s and soon the M1A1 variant of the Abrams, once we see footage of it being destroyed as well, also most T-90M losses have been due to damaged components and ATGM’s along with damaged components such as the tracks being derailed which led to 11 T-90M’s being abandoned In the kharkiv oblast last year, not other tanks lol, In fact there are no confirmed losses of a T-90M being destroyed by another tanks.
Extremely OP and another example of blatant russian bias. Russia is even the first nation to receive spall liners and even though they've added them to the game, they haven't given them to anyone other than Russia :)
I actually think I’m done with the game. Been playing for years made it to top tier in 3 nations. But over the last 2 years gaijin has ruined ground. This paired with the BVM is just going to be dumb. Give US M829A3. ITS HISTORICALLY ACCURATE ammunition. I want to see what documents gaijin used to model this one.
Can't wait to fight this. Already have to spend 3-4 shells on BVMs in my Type 10 due to the shells just evaporating or having no spall, so that should mean around 8 rounds for this thing, right? Also, when do Western tanks get spall liners and more accurate armor models? There is countless things wrong with every western tank model right now, and Gaijin just hasn't done anything about it.
like reverse is any important for this bullshit russian tanks, we all know all u need is to hold W and be aggresive, u cannot be one shoted, u wont be disabled in most cases and even if u take hit to turret ur fucking broken autoloader realods faster than nato tank with loader which also can get hurt meaning u get triple the reloading speed, while ucannot take daamge to autoloader that would slow your reload speed. Trying to argue that this piece if russian bias shit is balanced because of reverse speed is ridicolous
i love how whole community is crying cos Russia finally got a not nerfed (yet) tank in game but its fine to have things like STRV-122 that is basically invincible or M1A2 SEPV1
Nerfed lol no wayyyyyy my dude RU things are literally the only ones able to tank every single APFSDS in game you call nerf? Lol massive skill issue lol
@@M0LOCK bro i play top tier germany and skaughter Russia but when i play T90 for example i die instantly anywhere Turret cheeks Dead Front plate Dead Sides again dead
@@flareamv5503 Got my T90A recently(only grinded for the pantsir only now getting MBTs)and feels lile a complete different game from Abrams and Leos,i can face anything without fear of a kill shot... Turret cheeks are especialy strong because of the Kontakt 5 EDIT:i dont have 3BM60 yet so im suffering a bit against swed boys but def not the 2A5 or 6 since in WT gaijin added the same hull armor as the 2A4
Not including the ERA there is 128mm of armor around the ammo that is insane. Ifv auto cannon literally won't be able to hurt it. Even the Swedish 40mm will only be able to pen it straight on point blank. To the last few hstvl players I'm sorry.
HSTVL has been slaughtered with the addition of Russian spall liner
@@LewisB3217 it was on life support before. Now it's about to get cremated.
Hstvl, in this economy
Nah as of this update we can now command a 10 M1 lineup
Peak peak
yesss Germany mains crying after having to face something as competitive as the leo2a6 makes me so happy
@@user-su6ts9wm1h Might I remind you that Gaijin won't add DM63 or DM73 to the game because then "GeRmAnY OPP!!!1!!". And the matchmaker already puts Ruzzia and Germany togheter 2/3 matches lol.
Giving T90M spall liner just opened pandora's box. Now they have no excuse to not give spall liners to the western MBTs from the Vietnam era up.
M60 might be kinda scary with a spall liner 😏😏
I hope you know almost all soviet MBT's have spall liners too lmfao
@battleshipman56 I'm talking about western MBTs though.
The reason why the reload rate is slow is cause of the auto loader design having the rounds and charges placed horizontally reduces the risk of them getting hit but it means the auto loader isn’t as fast
T64 and T80 series have faster reload cuz of their auto loader design but the charges which are more flammable and combustible are placed vertically which are easier to hit
They would have to make a brand new auto loader for a faster speed perhaps
"More flammable and combustible"
Meanwhile in-game the ammo only explodes
@@Modeus_ see that could be a issue on the part of the ppl who run the game I find it weird
That or does nato rounds just have bad post pen effect I have no idea
I thought they were placed horizontally to solve the problem of being limited in the length of the round if placed vertically.
@@mechaboy0226 If you go into a custom game with a friend and test that you'll find it's not true. Everybody repeats it over and over again to make themselves feel better but nobody wants to do the bare minimum to prove it. It's the simplest thing to verify.
No the game developers won't base the reload off irl time, the reload can eaisly be reduced to 6 seconds and faster on T80bvm, they want to just make it standard because they are lazy Devs
A Gaijin dev said they won’t add du armor to the Abrams unless someone submits “credible protection values” for it as seen in the Abrams hull and turret. But there is 0 chance they have the same “credible protection values” for Relikt and the armor of the t-90m as a whole. They also said they have no current proof the Abrams actually has a spall liner (even though that basic fact is well known enough to be Google-able) so it won’t be added in the near future. They just arbitrarily refuse to use the evidence that HAS been submitted because they don’t wanna make the SEPv2 an actual upgrade, when that’s literally the entire point of the thing.
@zyzzyx222 i haven’t been able to find any public documents that states the effectiveness of Relikt against APFSDS. If you have, i’d love to know the title of the article and the publisher
That's the classic hypocrisy of Gaijin. Uhh you don't have source for that. Continues to make up numbers for Russian ERA and modern vehicles like 2S38.
@@devendoffing7004 hes not gonna send it because he made it up
@@devendoffing7004 Relick is stated to have a 40% of reduction in the penetration of APFSDS
@@ser43_OLDC can you provide a source that says that?
It's gonna be soooo fun fighting this thing with stock heatfs
This will be the most hated tank in the entire game
Unless you’re a Russian main they are about to go crazy
They are probably playing with the values at the Dev server, but Abrams doesn't have DU Armor, which is weird. M1A2 SEP V2 has increased weight by around 3-4 tons (compared to M1A2 SEP TUSK); if it grows a ton or 2, it still makes sense, but 3-4 tons without any improvements against KP is weird. Gaijin always said credible proof of DU armor, but it's always there, and you can find it in open sources. They add weird things like the 141 and Relikt armor that we don't know the value of.
yeah because you only need one propaganda document to get a Russian vehicle added or changed but as soon as its NATO it needs like 30 verified sources
DU isn't even good, it'd redundant and just adds weight. Du effectiveness is basically irrelevant now a days, ERA is superior to composite in our current world, why do you think the best Western AT weapons are dogshit and why russian at weapons are superior. Simple rpg7 killing merkavas and 19 hits from the best against a T90m and it drives back to base for refueling and rearming and replacement of ERA
@@battleshipman56 yeah it’s so bad, that must be why they slap tons of it onto modern tanks. You’re clearly much smarter than military engineers.
@@battleshipman56 There is a reason why APFSDS rounds use DU and why when the UK/US sent it, Russia was mad about it and promised retaliation. It's because of its high density (68% more than lead which itself is already 11g/cm³ density) and superior stopping power due to its density. In other words, it achieved the same at a much thinner thickness. Your logic means that I can also say Russian ERA is useless, that even after using it at mass (more than "Western" countries it still has thousands of destroyed and damaged tanks. In every video you cannot assume that every Merkava that got hit is destroyed, the same applied when I saw a Russian T-72B3 tank get hit it does not mean it's immediately destroyed especially because of the bad quality of the footage. Crew ejection count as destroyed? No, again this is not War Thunder, it can be towed and repaired. Count something destroyed when there is ammunition detonation (which unfortunately quite common in both Russian and Ukrainian tank).
Very classic Gaijin to make the first ever spall liner added to the game in a top-tier Russian tank when tanks going back all the way to the M60 do not even have it yet lmao
Yup. Literally every m60 has A spall liner. The m1, basically every NATO tank since the m60 uses them. Only Russias most modern designs have spall liners, and they get it first. No bias comrades 😉
@@LewisB3217 Earlier soviet designs like the t-72 had a spall liner from my understanding.
@@RJ-lg9hs a very thin NBC liner that was tested and shown to not work against spalling, only the most modern soviet designs and Russian tanks have them
Can't wait to run into this with my stock HEAT-FS slinging Ariete
This update is wrought with issues and bad implementation decisions, the ERA alone is egregious and has been since T-80BVM
Russian bias isn't a thing
Russian bias:
Stop it
Bias with 4kmh reverse speed 🙂
@@D87468the bais is haveing 2000mm frontal armor and 500-600 mm side armor
I will have a popblem with that exept if its as fast the the t95
@@nikolaideianov5092 But these are technical advantages from usage of multilayer dynamic protection. No one is to blame that there is no such thing on Abrams and Leopards - they have a quick reverse and shells are more powerful.
@@D87468 the m1 have composit armor that they dont have modeled(gaijin did model the weight of that armor) theyve had spall liners sence the m60s and theres a round made to deal with relick called m829a3 and a4. where are they ?
Whats the point of speed if flanking doesnt work .a hit to the side of a t90m in game wont even make a crew member yellow and ammo? That bs non spall making steel will make a direct hit not detonete the ammo
If you think that its fair to add the t90m as its in the dev server then your delusional
I still say that we need a Humvee with a javelin system tbh, we've seen how effective It can be irl. Plus spikes being in game shows that fire and forgets are a possibility
yes, we've seen the 80% failure rate of the javelin
@@ИванМатвеев-й2р *90% Success rate. If you're going to comment a fake failure rate at least do a quick search to see how wrong you are 🙄
@user-vt4je9ym6h was gonna say the same, plus a drastic change in RU tactics,with captured models they make a counter in time
@@ИванМатвеев-й2р doesn’t exist lmao, it has a 94% engagement success rate
@@Corefailure24 drastic change in Russian tactics (also isn’t real) has to do with the game how??
I belive how spall liners will be removed from the T90M before the update releases.
this is my fav tank i've wanted in game for some time now,i would play regardless if it's good or not,but this looks amazing so far
i think the "cool shell ejection"
is the reason the T-72 and T-90 have a slightly slower reload then the T-80 and T-64. which load their empty casings back into the autoloader carousel after loading the next round.
so there is no need to open a little hydraulic door to eject the casing trough, in between reloads.
I honestly don't have a problem with this tank if they added tanks from other nations that can match it but of course they didn't.
Like fucking what? brits get challenger from 2027, germans get 2a7v that was introduced later than t90m and exists in tem times fewer numbers, the american updates past sepv2 is just better optics or some shit
What tanks are those? War Thunder has pretty much reached thé modern day with thr ground lineup, including tanks from within the last decade (T80-BVM, Leopard 2A7)
The only things left to add are mostly low-production or prototype vehicles, like the T-14, Abrams X etc.
@@tomfahey2823 Many more SEP variations, alongside spall liners and DU armour for NATO tanks.
@@urielOrnstein "Many more SEP variations"
Huh? There's 4 versions of SEP in total (3 in actual service) and they recently announced the upcoming v4 upgrade has been cancelled.
That only leaves SEP V3 (which arguably should have been been dropped in this update) - what are all these other variants then?
@@tomfahey2823 oh a lot of NATO tanks from Leo 2A5 onwards ,M1A2 onwards and Challenger 2 and 3. Even some IFVs and APCs have spall liners.
Everyone will get new darts befor February if its implemented like this, especially if it remain this blatantly op. Im a russian main and this thing in broken
I'm a Russian and Sweden main. The T-90m is my favorite tank, too, but this thing is so op that it won't be fun to play. It'll feel like bullying
abrams will get the A3, no one else will get new darts, that will unbalance the game so bad
It's not broken, irl it's the worlds best tank ever combated, only the T14 is better. Cope with western bs propaganda, show me a tank that can take 19 hits from the most advanced western AT weapons and complete its mission and drive back for rearming
@@hdehilter9016bs abrams is a shit tank, and if it gets new round, then Russia should get Vacuum 1 & 2 to be equivalent, as 3bm60 is under performing with its penetration which has been nerfed by over 130mm mm from irl statistics
@@battleshipman56 does the T-90M Obr.2017 has the Vacuum-2?
I don't know where you got that the Turret Bussell was for the ATGM's, but that's incorrect. The rear of the turret is designed for ANY of the extra ammunitionto be placed into to reduce risk of crew compartment ammunition detonation in case of a successful penetration. It has removed all extra ammo from the crew compartment, at least, IRL it has. In game if you are a dumbass and take 5,000 rounds of 3BM60 it might still fill the crew compartment with ammo outside the carousel.
As if magic front relic armor that fully absorb apfsds want bad enough....
Even ifv's like cv9040 sended in ukr have spall liners, but they added only on rusia
Imagine a full team of these shits when patch drops
rus invasion
agian a full team of preium abrams.
Wiping out the enemy team, then they all spawn their KA50/KA52’s Pantsirs 2s38’s and su25s 🤢
@@LewisB3217will be realistic, western shit is shit.
Collectively, the 4km R gear makes this thing more of a nightmare to face. It just gives it's owners less of reason to pull their finger of the "W". So I guess we can expect them even sooner at our spawn now.
It's gonna be even more like playing a tower defence game on hard difficulty now
You telling me a 7.62mm can go through the sep v2 armor plates lol
Can’t imagine use Leclerc against this thing, even side shot can’t guarantee anything, this is just a joke
The hypocrisy of Gaijin adding this highly classified vehicle but refusing to add accurate NATO armor values for the same reason.
The fact they modeled the spall liners on this really irks me. NATO tanks not having spall liners (that they have had from the beginning!) Is just proof of more Russian bias.
4-6 layers of armor, if you pen that theres also 50/50 chance that rounds just disappear instead of making explosion and whats the reason with leo 2a7 that has only 652mm of penetration?
Gaijin doesn't know the penetration values of rounds, they calculate it with programs and more things and then they balance it, if it wasn't for the balance 3BM60 should pen as the DM53 or even more (the one we have in game, irl DM53 is way better)
Because if they give better penetration they will have to give Russia access to Vacuum 1 and Vacuum 2 shells wirh upwards of 1000mm of penetration, tested and is standard issue on T14 and T90m
@@battleshipman56 yea but 6 layers of side armor is good even if T-80BVM can somehow eat whole apfds with ammo when armor on other MBT's works like a joke
Gaijin casually adding in a Russian tank with nearly 0 weak spots, and what weak spots it has don't kill the thing
Meanwhile US gets SEPv2 with 0 additional benefits to it what so ever. It was always said that the proper counterpart to the German Leo 2A7 and Russian T90M would be the SEPv3 with proper kinetic ERA protection since Gaijin refuses to add the proper frontal DU hull armor, but as usual Gaijin has just gave the US tech tree the middle finger.
0 weak spots, lmao
You can easily penetrate a T-90M’s Lower Front plate and Its drivers Port/Window I’ve tested It In the Dev server, and have destroyed the T-90M by penning those areas. what do you mean “ 0 Weak spots “ Lmao?? Yes the front of the T-90M is hard to penetrate from all the Relikt ERA, But dont say It has 0 weak spots, also I do agree with you, they did the M1A2 SEP V2 TUSK dirty as fuck, it doesn’t even have the round It used In real life, M892A3 APFSDS, also the ERA is completely fucking useless against kinetic rounds with 5mm of protection, even a regular 7.62mm PKT machine gun can just Pen the ERA, no one Is going to use HEATFS on an Abrams unless they are using stock vehicles lmao
@@Spetsula ah nice. The tank has 2 weakspots, meanwhile it can lolpen everything it fights, not aiming for “weakspots”. Meanwhile NATO tanks must snipe those 2 spots, and very likely won’t wipe it out due to spalling shenanigans. very fair
@@LewisB3217 just for the record, I do think Modern NATO MBT’s, such as the Leopard 2’s, Challies & Abrams Tanks, should all get spall liners, and I do think the T-90M’s spall liner should have a somewhat significant nerf, and Gaijin haven’t given The challenger 2 OES, Leopard 2A7V M1A2 SEP & SEP V2 the proper armour specs, and Gaijin are still using the same hull and turret model for the M1A1 HC for the SEP V1 & V2 Lmao, so stupid, people on the forums have submitted bug reports, but stupid fucking moderators that are ruining the dev blog, for example trricksterr, and ruining and denying valid bug reports with these NATO tank armour issues, even though there Is valid evidence and proof.
@@LewisB3217Damn. Looks like American players will have to earn that plane spawn. 😢
I love that i bought the leopard l/44 and now i cant use it to grind the new leo2a7
welcome to gaijin. Also, fun fact, Premium tanks are worthless without a lineup
@@tothedome566they're not lol
@@meezo9980 If you spawn a single premium and have no line up, yeah they are useless dude. Especially if you want to win the game.
@@breadgetter9371 I've seen even a single premium spawn get more kills than guys that cried about "muh turms"
Plus, backups exist, xd
@@meezo9980 I have seen people including myself perform very good with a single premium, but more often then not it will be some level 30 guy that bought a premium, spawns it, dies, RTB. Backups do exist I guess, especially now that you get 20 backups for free, but still they always leave dude 9/10 times those people are a pain in the *ss.
Every nation gets an incremental upgrade except arguably the best ground nation in the game, which gets a full step up. I trust that Gajin has something planned to counter this, but I fear that this tank will be allowed to have its fun alone for a bit.
I'm hoping new rounds are on the way, or a rework so the Abrams ERA can beat tandem charges, or spall liners for MBTs, or anything at this point...
The T90Ms side protection that somehow has 200mm of protection against kinetic is the exact same side add on for the BVM and B3 which either means gaijin will remove the extra 200mm of kinetic protection on the sides or add 200mm of kinetic protection for the BVM and B3 which i highly doubt... Also the B3 does not yet ingame have the Relikt ERA on the upper plate so DM53 can actually go straight through the uper plate on some areas :)
Yes on the b3 you have 4-6 inches below the driver port where it will pen
WE'RE MAKING IT TO KYIV WITH THIS UPDATE
About shit of russian bias this is. The chain can stop apfsds (some how) and is ridiculously op and other nations not even hving spall liner to begin with. Gaijin needs to rethink stock heatfs especially facing against this thing
I agree, they need to get rid of Heatfs for stock top tier vehicles, Its not that the T-90M is op, Its that Leopards and M1A2’s are missing their spall liners as well, and I’m hoping they’ll partially nerf some of the T-90M’s hull side protection, though this Is just the dev server, we don’t know how It’ll perform In the main public servers, though the russians have only had a single 11.7 vehicles for 2-3 years now, so I dont mind the addition of the T-90M, since the americans and germans have loads of 11.7 leopards and M1A2’s.
@@Spetsulaalso m829a3 or m829a4 sould be added if the armor isnt
So just becose you have a op tank that doesnt have many tanks from that nation at that br means that its somehow Ok ??
@Spetsula I'm a Russian main, and I completely agree that the T-90m will over powered. It'll be op to the point that it won't be fun to play ( at least that's what I think ). Gajin need to nerf it protection and at least take away the spall liner until western MBTs get theirs.
20mm armor plate around carousell means it will FINALLY spall notlike other tanks with 6mm plate which is set no to spall
Looks like theres a bug there, from what ive read the T-90M is using the 2A82 cannon and not the 2A46M-5, its also visible the cannon seems to be much longer but its the dev server.
The 2A82 variant of T-90 was a prototype which didn't enter production
this is the T-90M Obr. 2017, you're talking abt other versions
@@hdehilter9016 various information tell 2A82 was installed on prorvy-3 this is also a name for obr.2017
The Merkava tank whose first models were designed to fight against Syrian and Russian tanks gets 0 kinetic protection but t90 is op so what about the Merkava 4 can't you give it some more plates of armor to make it strong considering that it weighs 65 tons in the game and 70 in reality. In reality the 120 millimeter of the merkava can fire missiles (I don't know anything classified)
And cosmetically the chains of the merkava tanks are cool looking. They put a net on the t90
The chains on the mercava have balls to redirect rpg rockets
The t 90m doesnt have the balls and there jasnt been any proof that the net works
Ima need Britain to get Indian T90MS and fight this with 3bm42 lol
So, these things going to play like they're doing IRL? If so... they're not going to perform that well. Jussayin'.
Time to never play above 10.3 ever again.
I was always quite hesitant on calling "Russian bias" , but this takes the cake. We have clear IRL evidence that this vehicle is not anywhere near as they are adding it now.
Relikt is at best a prototype that they can produce in limited numbers (anyone remember the bags of sand instead of ERA?) and most likely not as protective as claimed. There is strong evidence that "best" thermals that Russia has access to are 2nd gen dives based off of a French design
Western tanks have had spawl liners since at least the 80's and we know that a BUNCH of Western tanks are missing a large part of their composites.
I know that with modern vehicles the lack of documentation will always cause difficulties, but it seems that its a "rules for the west, but not for russia" kind of deal with any of the bells and whistles....
Warthunder T90M is the Prime example of Russian Bias
Really gonna be a powerhouse of top tier 😴😴
Fr, I sleep 😴
so my top tier stock shell wont be able to damage it? 🙁
That's why I just ge the first dart, then grind the tank haha
Unless you play Britian or Sweden. No
This thing needs to be at 12.7
Waw this is balanced…
very balanced
something about the AMRAAM or the R-77?
who needs this thing? Are there were few another russian OP tanks???
when are we gonna get a premium with historically accurate cardboard filled ERA?
Hi when well the update come out
Well that what you call an tank for that you dont need skill , i think even a noob with 0 or even 1 hour in this game can make an kill with that can , and can not be killed i would even say that russia takes no skill ( just point and shot thats it like the chopper or jet´s) well at least they sad they got info about the leo 2 spall liner and would add it in the next 2 or 3 week´s , and even before the t90m russian tanks did not kill to spall and now give it that and call it a "FEATURE" nice logic , FUN FACT : puma is not able to pen the t80 or i think now the t90m from the side just because of era .
Bad gramar good point
And russian mains will say that it isnt bais
Is this armour really factual??? Its gonna be too OP
As factual as my million $$$$
Or my ngat
No way to confirm any of this. Just made up like every classified modern vehicle. 😅
Here we go again boys I will resist the temptation to play on easy mode I will not switch to Russia
a vulgar display of power
Too many T90s burning in Ukraine for that T90 to have THAT much armor
To many leopards burning to be in a game
It's decent armor against tank rounds I guess.
In Ukraine most of these T90M's die to artillery, ATGMs (Stugnas which are kornets basically) and drones that hit the roof. Neither of those is big in WT.
What does the destruction of the T-90M’s In ukraine have to do with the T-90 having good frontal armour, what?? This makes no sense, if you are using this kind of excuse , I can say the same for the Leopard 2A6’s, Challie 2’s and soon the M1A1 variant of the Abrams, once we see footage of it being destroyed as well, also most T-90M losses have been due to damaged components and ATGM’s along with damaged components such as the tracks being derailed which led to 11 T-90M’s being abandoned In the kharkiv oblast last year, not other tanks lol, In fact there are no confirmed losses of a T-90M being destroyed by another tanks.
@@yaronscholtena6019less than amount of Russian tanks though
@@Spetsulalook at this someone with a bright mind that knows something
Sexier than the Su-27
Extremely OP and another example of blatant russian bias.
Russia is even the first nation to receive spall liners and even though they've added them to the game, they haven't given them to anyone other than Russia :)
I actually think I’m done with the game. Been playing for years made it to top tier in 3 nations. But over the last 2 years gaijin has ruined ground. This paired with the BVM is just going to be dumb. Give US M829A3. ITS HISTORICALLY ACCURATE ammunition. I want to see what documents gaijin used to model this one.
Can't wait to fight this. Already have to spend 3-4 shells on BVMs in my Type 10 due to the shells just evaporating or having no spall, so that should mean around 8 rounds for this thing, right? Also, when do Western tanks get spall liners and more accurate armor models? There is countless things wrong with every western tank model right now, and Gaijin just hasn't done anything about it.
Just learn to aim boy😂
@@markusplotz2259 thanks for the tip old man. I’ll take it to heart.
How do u have so much ge??
Creator program
I think it looks better without the relict bags
like reverse is any important for this bullshit russian tanks, we all know all u need is to hold W and be aggresive, u cannot be one shoted, u wont be disabled in most cases and even if u take hit to turret ur fucking broken autoloader realods faster than nato tank with loader which also can get hurt meaning u get triple the reloading speed, while ucannot take daamge to autoloader that would slow your reload speed. Trying to argue that this piece if russian bias shit is balanced because of reverse speed is ridicolous
yesss Germany mains crying after having to face something as competitive as the leo2a6 makes me so happy
My dude if you have problems facing leos using Ru or anything else that isnt brit or ita youre straight up horrible lol
i love how whole community is crying cos Russia finally got a not nerfed (yet) tank in game
but its fine to have things like STRV-122 that is basically invincible or M1A2 SEPV1
Nerfed lol no wayyyyyy my dude RU things are literally the only ones able to tank every single APFSDS in game you call nerf? Lol massive skill issue lol
@@M0LOCK bro i play top tier germany and skaughter Russia but when i play T90 for example i die instantly anywhere
Turret cheeks
Dead
Front plate
Dead
Sides again dead
@@flareamv5503 Got my T90A recently(only grinded for the pantsir only now getting MBTs)and feels lile a complete different game from Abrams and Leos,i can face anything without fear of a kill shot...
Turret cheeks are especialy strong because of the Kontakt 5
EDIT:i dont have 3BM60 yet so im suffering a bit against swed boys but def not the 2A5 or 6 since in WT gaijin added the same hull armor as the 2A4
@@M0LOCK i get 1 shot in it every time i bounces 2 shots in my 3 weeks of playing it
Все как надо
if the orks get anti spall nato needs it too
I hope the T 90 M gets its top round not the 3BM60 the the Russian DU 3BM59 with slightly more pen.