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@@casualspawnpeeking3680 Mmmm, even if that’s true, I doubt that’s actually representative to what the 15A would do. Not to mention the Gripen, Su27, and Mirage all not suffering from that issue, it causes an unbalance in the game.
gaijin is full of shit. they are just willfully nerfing an american plane. AGAIN ( remember when the F16 first came out they gave it a G limiter)@@casualspawnpeeking3680
In Aces of Aces, it says that when Pixy is figthing in his trusted F 15C. His wing is broken but he manage to land safely. And even gained the title of 'Solo Wing' Pixy, after the moniker of his wing broken down, yet survived. And after seeing this clips, now i knows why.
Moment of silence for Phlydaily waiting so long for the F-15 for it to be so unnesscarily mid in-game. Best fighter jet of the pre-1990s world. Yet the plane known for durability, strong wngines, and a great radar breaks like a wooden toy, has horrible speed retention, and has a F-4E radar basically.
Really Gaijin, they simply can not live without handicapping USA vehicle. Su-27 is limited to 6.5G with combat weight above Mach 0.85, that means Su-27 should rip like F-8U at 10g above Mach 0.85. F-15 is limited at 7.33G, It should easily pull 12G without ripping. They always purposefully implement realism in game. Another thing is R-27er is vastly overperforming, according to various source, R-27er can not be launched when the launch aircraft is below 3km and the target is within 6km with ground clutter, but in game it is just super easy missile at any range!!
You're probably referring to the CENC (convergent exhaust nozzle control) which is the component that uses 13th stage bleed air to open and close the convergent/divergent nozzle. If that's the sound effect they're using for that, it's waaaay off. It's on all P&W F100 engines which the F-15/F-16 use.
That weird sound you hear while moving the camera around is actually realistic. It's the sound of the air entering the air intake at a certain angle, creating that whistle. You can see it on the su57 too. It's like when wind gets through a broken window and whistles, in a very simplified way
@@edelwei4193 It's not a matter of being portrayed as good/bad, it's a matter of Russian vehicles being unfaithful to the real world in a positive way while non-Russian vehicles are unfaithful to the real world in a negative or unhelpful manner.
That wing overload nonsense is absurd, especially because we don't see it with the Su-27 and Dassault Rafale, let alone we have a well-known real-world incident where an Israeli F-15 lost a wing and yet kept flying because its wide body retained enough lift capacity to keep the plane flying level as long as he kept his airspeed up.
I think I heard of it happened two or three times I believe (but I only know of the israeli one you mentioned in detail) and its due to the fact the F-15 has a greater than 1 thrust to weight ratio. It has more than 1 thrust per pound of weight it has, one of the very few planes in the world that does and why it can also go straight up and GAIN speed in the process. Hence why it can fly without atleast one of its wings, it has enough thrust that as long as the pilot can compensate for the imbalance of only having one wing (like the plane wanting to spin), and they still have working elevators, they can stay airborne with speed alone like a rocket/missile almost.
@@GR1M3xHOUSE That is the dumbest take ever. "Oh this vehicle isn't right so it doesn't matter" no no, they should fix the ka50 too, not that it needs it since its still one of the better helicopters in the game but still. Same as the turm 3 still doesn't have its unique ability it was meant to have which was 3 plane stabilization.
F-15 Crew Chief here! That weird whistle is probably their attempt at having the iconic sound of the F-15's pneumatic augmenter actuators, but it's currently bugged. They make a super distinct whistle screech whenever they open. Feel free to ask questions anyone :) Edit : And yes, they Over-G super easily. The wings on the original models were weak to the point where it actually has outboard pylons, but they can't be used because they would snap the support longerons for the wings. This was fixed with the new SA Model, and is assumedly on the new SE as well.
The thing is, this isn't an Early A variant. The one in-game is absolutely an F-15A MSIP (the pre-MSIP 15A didn't have flares), so it shouldn't be having these wing tear problems if I remember correctly. Furthermore, Japan's F-15J is a liscensed 15C built by Mitsubishi, yet its wing tearing issue is _worse_ than the US's 15A in-gane. And regardless of all this, while the early As did have a bit weaker wing stability than the later F-15 variants, it was not nearly as bad as is represented in-game.
@@xxgamerlengendxx1579 The F-15A being added to WT, not much. It was built as an air superiority fighter. I haven't popped into the Dev server, but IIRC it shouldn't have any guided bombs, and it can only carry 3 pylon's worth of unguided. From the Air Force fact sheet : One internally mounted M-61A1 20-mm, six-barrel cannon with 940 rounds of ammunition; four AIM-9 Sidewinder and four AIM-120 AMRAAMs or eight AIM-120 AMRAAMs It has three pylons, so for a bomb loadout you're probably looking at 3 2000lb bombs, in lieu of external fuel drop tanks. The F-15E can carry nearly every bomb the US currently has, besides the MOAB I think because of the size of it. From the USAF Fact sheet : Any air-to-surface weapon in the Air Force inventory (nuclear and conventional) It also has a dedicated back seat WSO who can guide and manages the payloads.
I have a couple of things to point out before i get to the question: 1) In WT we know there's an over-G tolerance margin for air vehicles, so for example a hypothetical overload limit for the F-16 (9Gs) in the game should be able to pull those said Gs+50% until it completely breaks (13.5-14 Gs in total) 2) AFAIK the F-15 can pull almost the same 9Gs at all weights as the F-16 does. Now the question: without considering those factors, is the irl F-15 really capable of pulling those 9gs at all weights? Im gonna be really honest with you, if you give me a useful piece of info (no classified stuff, just references) i can go to war to get its flight model changed in the WT forums, and you have my word that i can gather people to lobby this thing up and fix it.
F-15: A literal revolutionary fighter jet that broke every single record Gaijin: uhh yea shears wings at 8G Of course they don't add it right and give America the worst version Edit: I can't wait for people to use War Thunder to show that no the F-15 totally wasn't good like they do the abrams because Gaijin totally would add things in good faith to their real counterparts
@@georgeousthegorgeous But the US wont be the only nation to get AMRAAMs, it makes no virtual difference whatsoever if the F-15 or any plane gets the AMRAAM if basically the rest also gets buffed. You're only raising the current statu quo which is only an illusion of a buff.
malzi, just a recomendation, pre flare, and if there is a missile close and flares didnt flare, flare everything, better to lose flares than to lose the aircraft
F-15. An aeroplane famous for having survived having a wing cut off by an A-4 Skyhawk crashing into it. Crashing repeatedly because the wing falls off.
Ahhh, yes, as predicted. F-15 A (1974) nerfed and matched as direct equivalent to a Soviet plane that didn't enter the scene for another 11 years plus whatever newest possible tech they can scrounge up. The Vatnik Thunder experience.
The F-15 is massively nerfed this update. What makes it such a dominant fighter irl is his ability to kill everyone with his AIM-120 before they can shoot at him. It's a plane made to fly super high in the sky and launch undodgeable mach 4 missiles. I understand why they don't want to add Fox 3 BVR in the game yet, but without it the F-15 is forced to join the other planes flying mach 1.5 on the deck, which it wasn't made for at all.
gotta be terrifying if you're in a jet and hear the manacling sound of a side whistle closing in
"manacling"
@@The_Burrito lol fr
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this thing rips like ho-229 back in the day when the sky was young and earth isnt bombed into oblivion
exactly what i was thinking
It was apparently bugged
What i understand: wing overload
As a russian main, The F-15s wings ripping at 10-13gs is BS
Edit: Ayy they fixed it! Let’s hope it remains that way
According to gaijin it's due to full fuel loads
@@casualspawnpeeking3680 Mmmm, even if that’s true, I doubt that’s actually representative to what the 15A would do. Not to mention the Gripen, Su27, and Mirage all not suffering from that issue, it causes an unbalance in the game.
This thing has pulled 14 irl
@@bt_the_yank6234it can technically pull more
gaijin is full of shit. they are just willfully nerfing an american plane. AGAIN ( remember when the F16 first came out they gave it a G limiter)@@casualspawnpeeking3680
In Aces of Aces, it says that when Pixy is figthing in his trusted F 15C. His wing is broken but he manage to land safely. And even gained the title of 'Solo Wing' Pixy, after the moniker of his wing broken down, yet survived.
And after seeing this clips, now i knows why.
Indeed. There is Also a real Life pilot who Landed a two seater F-15 with wing clipped
This update literally give me AC Zero
@@gamergaming6604 imagine If they added Belka and ustio as research trees? Oh god My heart would sing
I can’t believe the first time an F15 lost a fight is in war thunder
Russian bias at it's finest
Moment of silence for Phlydaily waiting so long for the F-15 for it to be so unnesscarily mid in-game. Best fighter jet of the pre-1990s world. Yet the plane known for durability, strong wngines, and a great radar breaks like a wooden toy, has horrible speed retention, and has a F-4E radar basically.
its the dev server, subject to change
@demscrazy6574 How many past dev servers have left these more or less intentional handicaps of NATO aircraft in the game?
@@extraordinarytv5451I am not sure but it is definitely more than 1
@demscrazy6574 unfortunately, that is exactly my point...pray for the War Thunder F-15
f4e radar does not have PD....
The well known plane you are thinking of is the F15C. This is the F15A.
Hoping the live server version won't have this wing rip problem 🙏
зато будет стандартная версия режима угнетения с разрывом задницы
Meanwhile the "dogfighting" variant of the Tornado doesn't have it's wings snap off at anything greater than 1-and-a-half G's.
Land with 1 wing now
Ive already did it ☠️
I did it on Gripen
@@gemplay3989 oh my god Peter griphen in war thunder??
Solo Wing
@@nore5992Gonna need some Belkan Witchcraft for that shit man
Really Gaijin, they simply can not live without handicapping USA vehicle. Su-27 is limited to 6.5G with combat weight above Mach 0.85, that means Su-27 should rip like F-8U at 10g above Mach 0.85. F-15 is limited at 7.33G, It should easily pull 12G without ripping. They always purposefully implement realism in game. Another thing is R-27er is vastly overperforming, according to various source, R-27er can not be launched when the launch aircraft is below 3km and the target is within 6km with ground clutter, but in game it is just super easy missile at any range!!
Russian bias as it will always be
@@simplemusketeer7421cope
“Extremely good high speed manoeuvrability”
Assuming your wings don’t rip off pulling a 9G turn
that weird sound the F-15's making is actually the F-15s Unique nozzle making weird noises
You're probably referring to the CENC (convergent exhaust nozzle control) which is the component that uses 13th stage bleed air to open and close the convergent/divergent nozzle. If that's the sound effect they're using for that, it's waaaay off. It's on all P&W F100 engines which the F-15/F-16 use.
The sound is both haunting *and* wicked as fuck.
The su-27 makes the same noise so its likely an audio bug unless the su-27 has a similar nozzle design
@@nicotico15243 maybe the next patch will be different
u're wrong, every jet makes that noice in the update
I never thought F-15s "whoop"ing would be as funny as it was
A literal whooping ass
That weird sound you hear while moving the camera around is actually realistic. It's the sound of the air entering the air intake at a certain angle, creating that whistle.
You can see it on the su57 too. It's like when wind gets through a broken window and whistles, in a very simplified way
Oh god... Paper wings is implayable
“OVER G!” *F-15 Wings Rip*
“One last thing i beg you please, Just before you go…”
Can't fly without one wing, not enough classified documents have been leaked about its airframe yet.
Israel would like to object.
so if you turn in any direction your wing breaks, nice
This plane is a straight downgrade for the F-16 while the Russians get to enjoy a jet that is a straight upgrade from the MiG-29
@@A-Warthog-cc1wm RuSsIaN BIaS IsNt ReAl
@@Crin3122cope
@@A-Warthog-cc1wmcope
Paper wings...
The f-15 is a literal rocket and i am not joking it can takeoff without wings, that’s how powerful the engines are
What a greater than 1 power to weight does to a MFer.
Ah, jes F-15 has the A-4 Syndrome. What a fun improvement
Hahaha AYIT = F15
The wings are to fragile those things can sustain 12g loads yet it brakes at 9gs
Gaijin is originally a russian company, the bias is very clear, always has been.
@@SorenNidoand thats great. There are already enough USA - Good, russia - bad games out there. Like Call of Duty
@@edelwei4193 It's not a matter of being portrayed as good/bad, it's a matter of Russian vehicles being unfaithful to the real world in a positive way while non-Russian vehicles are unfaithful to the real world in a negative or unhelpful manner.
@@SorenNido I also like how Russian vehicle have there internal spall liners but NATO tanks don't
@@SorenNidoWait for the fix, it's Dev
I don't play War Thunder because I like my sanity, but I gotta say, this is some really dope sound design.
Funny thing is that the F-15 has such a wide, flat fuselage that it could fly without wings. It would only have pitch and yaw but still possible.
4:45 that tie fighter coming up to you legit epic
Very Good vid, keep up the good work!
Can't wait for the Ace Combat Zero reference when you are using this plane
That wing overload nonsense is absurd, especially because we don't see it with the Su-27 and Dassault Rafale, let alone we have a well-known real-world incident where an Israeli F-15 lost a wing and yet kept flying because its wide body retained enough lift capacity to keep the plane flying level as long as he kept his airspeed up.
I think I heard of it happened two or three times I believe (but I only know of the israeli one you mentioned in detail) and its due to the fact the F-15 has a greater than 1 thrust to weight ratio. It has more than 1 thrust per pound of weight it has, one of the very few planes in the world that does and why it can also go straight up and GAIN speed in the process. Hence why it can fly without atleast one of its wings, it has enough thrust that as long as the pilot can compensate for the imbalance of only having one wing (like the plane wanting to spin), and they still have working elevators, they can stay airborne with speed alone like a rocket/missile almost.
And the ka50 can fly with no tail but we're forced to bail out.
Cope.
@@GR1M3xHOUSE That is the dumbest take ever. "Oh this vehicle isn't right so it doesn't matter" no no, they should fix the ka50 too, not that it needs it since its still one of the better helicopters in the game but still. Same as the turm 3 still doesn't have its unique ability it was meant to have which was 3 plane stabilization.
@@GR1M3xHOUSE Compared apple to orange I see, classic russian troll
This wing catapult system is great!
😆
On one side it has a wing and on the other side hasn't, looks perfectly balanced. Well done Gaijin!
When F15 Eagles get shot down Imma report it as a bug
F-15 Crew Chief here! That weird whistle is probably their attempt at having the iconic sound of the F-15's pneumatic augmenter actuators, but it's currently bugged. They make a super distinct whistle screech whenever they open.
Feel free to ask questions anyone :)
Edit : And yes, they Over-G super easily. The wings on the original models were weak to the point where it actually has outboard pylons, but they can't be used because they would snap the support longerons for the wings. This was fixed with the new SA Model, and is assumedly on the new SE as well.
The thing is, this isn't an Early A variant. The one in-game is absolutely an F-15A MSIP (the pre-MSIP 15A didn't have flares), so it shouldn't be having these wing tear problems if I remember correctly. Furthermore, Japan's F-15J is a liscensed 15C built by Mitsubishi, yet its wing tearing issue is _worse_ than the US's 15A in-gane.
And regardless of all this, while the early As did have a bit weaker wing stability than the later F-15 variants, it was not nearly as bad as is represented in-game.
@@jonathanoriley8260 The wing problems weren't fixed until the last 10 years. It's still present in E models.
I have a genuine question what kind of weapons can the f-15 carry?
@@xxgamerlengendxx1579 The F-15A being added to WT, not much. It was built as an air superiority fighter. I haven't popped into the Dev server, but IIRC it shouldn't have any guided bombs, and it can only carry 3 pylon's worth of unguided.
From the Air Force fact sheet : One internally mounted M-61A1 20-mm, six-barrel cannon with 940 rounds of ammunition; four AIM-9 Sidewinder and four AIM-120 AMRAAMs or eight AIM-120 AMRAAMs
It has three pylons, so for a bomb loadout you're probably looking at 3 2000lb bombs, in lieu of external fuel drop tanks.
The F-15E can carry nearly every bomb the US currently has, besides the MOAB I think because of the size of it. From the USAF Fact sheet : Any air-to-surface weapon in the Air Force inventory (nuclear and conventional)
It also has a dedicated back seat WSO who can guide and manages the payloads.
I have a couple of things to point out before i get to the question:
1) In WT we know there's an over-G tolerance margin for air vehicles, so for example a hypothetical overload limit for the F-16 (9Gs) in the game should be able to pull those said Gs+50% until it completely breaks (13.5-14 Gs in total)
2) AFAIK the F-15 can pull almost the same 9Gs at all weights as the F-16 does.
Now the question: without considering those factors, is the irl F-15 really capable of pulling those 9gs at all weights?
Im gonna be really honest with you, if you give me a useful piece of info (no classified stuff, just references) i can go to war to get its flight model changed in the WT forums, and you have my word that i can gather people to lobby this thing up and fix it.
Man the Russian government must REALLY want those classified specs on the F-15
Truly an F15 experience
That would make a nice hardstyle song that intro :D
Now i'm waiting for one guy to land with 1 wing
When the sky starts playing aggresive flamenco:
I wasn't expecting the last part. I laughed so much
"ooup, oooup , oup oup oup oup ouuuuup"
- F-15A
For a second I thought the announcement over coms was "Overachieve!!"
4:10 thats the best cobra i've seen bro.
Can't wait for the custom skins.
Ah yes War Thunder the only universe the F-15 will lose in.
F-15: A literal revolutionary fighter jet that broke every single record
Gaijin: uhh yea shears wings at 8G
Of course they don't add it right and give America the worst version
Edit: I can't wait for people to use War Thunder to show that no the F-15 totally wasn't good like they do the abrams because Gaijin totally would add things in good faith to their real counterparts
Cope
@@GR1M3xHOUSE *Uno Reverse Card:* You need video game woth obvious bias to validate your copium for Russian tech being garbage irl lol
@@jonathanoriley8260you’ll be given AIM-120 sooner or later so seethe for now
@@georgeousthegorgeous But the US wont be the only nation to get AMRAAMs, it makes no virtual difference whatsoever if the F-15 or any plane gets the AMRAAM if basically the rest also gets buffed.
You're only raising the current statu quo which is only an illusion of a buff.
Wow, almost like its a dev server and they already adjusted
i love your videos
malzi becoming the first person in recorded history to lose an f15
It flew with no wings. W
when you made wings out of wood
now Malzi has become a DJ. Malzy can I have an autograph?
somebody better have a Starscream style ready for when the plane releases
malzi, just a recomendation, pre flare, and if there is a missile close and flares didnt flare, flare everything, better to lose flares than to lose the aircraft
Well boys time for the 104 and 0 to happen in WT.
Cool aircraft, hope they fix that weird wing overload bug and don't do something dumb like keep it in live server lol
That sound you hear every time you take off is the nozzle sound from the engines on the f 15
what i know right now is if you dont want your wing to rip you have to pull using your mouse, you cant use ASWD at all to move unless your below mach
I didn't know the F-15 had a built in QR code scanner
I hope so very much they fix the wing breaking problem
The wing overload is bit fucking much 💀
OVER G! OVER G! OVER G!
F-15. An aeroplane famous for having survived having a wing cut off by an A-4 Skyhawk crashing into it. Crashing repeatedly because the wing falls off.
Yeah that wing overload thing is kinda ridiculous
nice video
gaijin please buff the wings
Gaijin fucked up with the wings, meanwhile the flanker is blyatantly broken, they ruined the best jet in the world my poor f15 ;-;
The paper made wings
IDK but thats a lot of wing overload in a fighter jet; more than any jets in the game
"DECEPTICOOONS! FOLLOW MEEEEE!!!"
War Thunder live is going to be filled with Cipher and Pixy skins when this update drops lmao
0:26 sounds like the guitar hero tom morello battle
Malzi, have you heard the SU-27's howl?
youre going to need to bleed some speed before dogfights i guess then, which does make sense as this is just an oversized f4
Anyone notice how the F-15 has the exhausts of the F110 engine?
*Wing overload crush*
I don't know much about fighter jets, but I'm pretty sure the wings shouldn't snap off when they turn.
50 years of F-15 in 2022
0:28 pacman sound XD
whoop whoop
Jesus christ everyone seems to be tearing these things apart themselves just flying em
A4E experience.
V22 Osprey simulator
I sure hope the wing integrity on this thing is not as fragile on the live server..
Oh boi can’t wait to hear Warsaw pactaboos complaining about SPAMRAAM’s in a few months time.
All i Can Hear Wing Overload Followed by Eject Eject 😂
I hope someone paint their f15 like the Cipher or Pixy one
I need a top-hat to make the count emblem in the su
Hah, I actually just made a video using an Ace Combat Zero trailer and the war thunder update trailer.
The F-15 should be able to fly without wings. One lost a wing and kept flying during Desert Storm, so wing overloading shouldn't be an issue.
ah yes wing fall off syndrome very common
Ahhh, yes, as predicted.
F-15 A (1974) nerfed and matched as direct equivalent to a Soviet plane that didn't enter the scene for another 11 years plus whatever newest possible tech they can scrounge up.
The Vatnik Thunder experience.
0:24 I knew it, Pac-Man was an F-15 all along
Wings just don't wanna stay on the F15 it seems.
Gotta increase the wing strength
Wings made of paper
F-15 Eagle's howl sounds like cloaker from payday lmao
Did they change the flight model at some point? I didn't get a single wing rip when i was on the dev server yesterday.
99% of the F15: “WING OVERLOAD CRASH”
I’m still waiting for Mr aim-120
（1:57~2:27）の田所浩二、野獣先輩絶対墜とすマンと化したMalziさん・・・・。
The F-15 is massively nerfed this update. What makes it such a dominant fighter irl is his ability to kill everyone with his AIM-120 before they can shoot at him.
It's a plane made to fly super high in the sky and launch undodgeable mach 4 missiles.
I understand why they don't want to add Fox 3 BVR in the game yet, but without it the F-15 is forced to join the other planes flying mach 1.5 on the deck, which it wasn't made for at all.
Tf since when there a volcano map in this game-
Hold on why am i hearing *_Peacekeeper II_* playing..
Early boiis we are here
Wing overload simulator
0:16 And with that the F-15’s perfect kill streak was ruined in War Thunder lol