The problem is not that the Russian tanks (especially the T-90M) have good frontal armor, the problem is when you shoot them in the side and barely nothing happen. Like look at the 2 shots at 1:37 like what even is that, skill issue 😆
Shooting at Track. Has always being an old problem with War thunder.. Since the start of Ground units... Nothing new. Just avoid the damn track when you shoot.
@@Rek1emMScar its in no way exclusive to shots that hit the track, penetrating shots that take out not just one, but several pieces of ammo can and will do fuck all
@@Rek1emMScar To also note, the era hanging off the side does so much in tandem with the spall liner. the 120mm effective era lessens the pen of a dart while starting the shrapnel early, it hits the main armor which dampens the round even more and by the time the dart gets through the spall liner aswell the round has been pretty much lowered to only a few pieces of shrapnel. Idc too much (unless it is game breaking) if gaijin wants to buff or add certain mechanics in the game, I just dont get why the do it to 1 vehicle instead of all the ones who need it or have it IRL.
@@dnfluffles772Ok but no way that a single era brick and 50mm of side armor is going to realistically stop a +600mm pen sabot round from point blank range
All russian MBTs (T72, T80, T90) have 80mm of side armor (steel) and a lot of ERA, while for example the Leo2 has 35mm and basically nothing.@@wirb3859
You do realize this is a dev server and none of this is final right? It amazes me how when anyone but Russia gets vehicles everything is fine but as soon as a new mechanic is introduced in a tank that isn’t not Russia everyone starts bitching up a storm about something that most definitely not be this way on release. Like no one is crying the gripen can pull 21gs sustained.
@@maxrightgame except they aren’t. There is literally no bias. Bias is bad for business.
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Funny how gaijin adds things nobody asked for to russian tanks like the spall liner on the t90m but they are not willing to give nato vehicles their accurate armor or firepower even after years
@@Retronyx "I willingly acknowledge that there's some sort of slanted favoritism and basis for applying new features, but go fuck yourself and your issues with that." Next time say that if you're going to be a weasel
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@@Retronyx Its not my fault your parents fight big man so go let it out on someone else.
Problem is there isnt much for gaijin to go on the abrams tank. Most of the stuff is simply classified, unlike the leo tanks and russian tanks who had stuff like the swedish trials. One thing is for sure though, even the most modern abrams tanks lacks spall liners as confirmed by every crew member out there. Also the turret ring is just a massive weakpoints for the abrams which no adding armor around will fix.
The difference between this and t-80 is, we all knew t-80bvm had an invisible spall liner. Gaijin is taking us for idiots but were like ok fine well bite the bullet but now, gaijin is openly putting bias over other tanks.
I don’t think it had an invisible spall liner, I just thought it was a crappy model. It doesn’t seem to reduce spall like the actual T-90M liner does from the X-ray.
Yes, the BVM is just poorly modeled and its ammo has some absolutely bullshit damage model, it isn't part of some secret invisible spall liner conspiracy. The T-90M has an spall liner and so it should, the problem here is that other tanks are lacking it and that Gaijin refuses to acknowledge it.
@@Boris_The_Turtle there was definitely behind the scenes artificial buffs to its armor, I don't think saying BVM has invisible spall liner is that far fetched
@@cutthroat795 Most players don't know this but if you use Nvidia ansel freecam to look inside any t-80, youll see that they have a fully armored turret basket. Its basically 360 spall protection for the turret crew. Its thickness is perfectly around 5mm so that it will stop some spalling but will not create any spalling because its too thin for that.
I still love how they refuse to use sources that are not classified, even if they COME FROM THE MAKERS THEMSELVES, for Nato vehicles but will fix Russian vehicles because of some propaganda video in 2012
The russian tanks aren't balanced already, this one will be even worse. This makes it so you can *barely* make it through the side with the best APFSDS rounds in the game, and if it does make it through the armor, it won't do anything. It's blatantly overpowered. It gets advantages that no other tank in the game has. It has armor like no other tank in the game. The ONLY shortcoming of this tank in war thunder is its reverse speed.
And thats because its IRL the armor as we can see in Ukraine is JUNK your point stands High and Mighty I like you because you tell the Truth that no one Wants to hear
Gaijin (I think) has said that other vehicles will get spall liners in the future, but how much do you wanna bet that they're saying this to calm the hate being sent their way? Let's not forget about the community manager that got doxed because he labelled the spall liner on the T-90M as "Not a bug" and then suffered the wrath of a pissed off player-base.
@@陈凯文-n1hDefinitely a lot of tools in the community, when they think it's ok to dox an employee, just because they didn't get their favourite flavour of lollipop in a video game. What a bunch of whining babies.
Regardless what POS cry baby adult thinks it's ok to doxx ppl over a game? Ppl like that deserves to be banned. Keep crying over nations differences and they'll just limit access to dev servers. There's a disclaimer for a fkn reason. Who cares what nation gets it first.
nice video man, and the problem is always how the devs have coded the soviets tanks for top tier, both China and Russia are the same, you shoot them and is all RNG, the fact that a Turms can pen a SEP or the 2A6 among other with no issues and they can struggle is just insanity, i don't mind of Russian tanks can 1 shot any of my tanks, just let me do the same to them as it was 3 years ago ? i dare to say before the BVM introduction, the moment the BVM got added, everything went downhill for other nations, and i know this because i also mained Russia at the start and they were mostly a support nation and wasn't easy to play those tanks.
It's always bothered me, how much easier the stock grind is for Russia when you can get a LRF/LWR as literally second or third mod, while NATO MBTs require it being AT MINIMUM a Tier 4 upgrade that requires upwards of 90k RP down (used to be over 100k) before you can even start researching it, like Leopard 2 PSO requiring 1 tier 1, and 3 tier 2 mods and 3 tier 3 mods before you can even start the grind for the LRF (which is also not including snatching the 16,000 RP tier 1 APFSDS round)
@@purplenurp5590 I included the LWR as it's in the upgrade lol. NATO tanks only get laser rangefinder WITHOUT LWR as a rank 4 mod, like on the Leopard 2A5, 2A6, 2A5 PSO, Strv 122A, Strv 122B PLSS, all of these have their laser rangefinder as a rank FOUR mod, WHICH IS MY POINT, you have to grind 100k+ RP before you can even get a good LRF, vs Russia getting it as the third mod you can get (like 20-25k RP at most, or 36k if you take a detour to get rank 1 APFSDS first... and Russian tanks with stock HE that oneshots top of the line MBTs by touchng their commanders optics have far more use for auto-range-adjusting LRF than a NATO tank does with HEAT FS that doesn't work... it's blatant favoritism.
NATO tanks get thermals at 9.3. russian tanks get thermals in tanks (ignoring the turms) at 10.3. NATO tanks have better gun depression, reverse speed and better variety in vics and mobility than russia. Americans and germans get magical RWS machine guns through ww2 tanks meaning CAS spam is far less annoying. Russians get their MGs pretty late somewhere around 6.0 if i remember correctly. There is no russians bias.
same for me, i wanted to see the T90M ingame. but the way it got implemented is kinda fishy. Cant wait for Gaijin to add the T90M Obr 2022 in 2 patches just adding the Arena Hardkill APS
I'm sure it'll have like 40 charges as well. You know, because Russian tech is best and most modern tech. These people put TIRES on their airplanes to protect it from drones and missiles. Fucking tires off of fucking Lada's. But Russia is supposed to be innovative and most advanced tech...? Come on Gaijin...
Arena APS exist only under form of blueprints in the T-90M, i don't really think they are gonna implement it anytime soon or at least till Uralvagonzavod actually fields the system
@@str1k3rex They clearly don't care about that anymore, Kronstrat, F16AJ, YAK141, Mirage 4K just a few examples. This tank is pure power creep, the only downside to this tank is its reverse speed. hell they even lessened or just straight up removed some of the common weak spots on this.
My first nations was russia too, ill be getting the t90m and su27 before anything else. I just wish they balanced russia, or made the other nations just as strong. I used to play Armored Warfare and i think about it every now and then, its sad where its at now but all the tanks were balanced one way or another.
"things might change" is always what is said to reassure people about Russian vehicles that are OP on the Dev server. I can't tell a single time where these vehicles have become worse on the live release Have you guys seen the ERA on this tank ? It stops every shell coming at a 45° angle Mark my words : the T-90M is going to be the single most powerful ground vehicle added into the game EDIT : The update dropped and ... Nothing changed.
Russian bias has hit a new extreme with this update. This makes me want to, once again, start vomiting profusely. I havent touched tippy top tier since the BVM was added, and with the M getting added, it still wont be playing it for a long time. Unless they add the spall liners to all tanks that have it, Russian ammo actually starts exploding when hit, muhfreebrams gets its DU, i wont ever be returning. And that depresses me greatly.
I have no problem with the fact that they add the T90m. I have a Problem that GAJIN adds a Spall liner (which is standard in nato tanks for years) to the newest tank for Russia and didnt even consider to add it on NATO or any other Tanks. I get the point that Russian Tanks have their weak spots and i also play them a lot and for that i can say that you survive a lot more in RUssian tanks.
It's a bit frustrating tbh, just how many things are better in Russian tanks, like autoloader ignoring the tank being on fire/not EVER suffering decreased effectiveness from loader being dead/wounded...and no "NATO hump" that makes it impossible to shoot in the rear-60-degrees angle
the fact gaijin considers any NATO sources as unreliable about NATO spall liners is an absolute bullshit proof of gaijin devs being totally biased towards russia
the thing about the spall liner, whilst i am aware that other vehicles have it, to me it wasnt advertised as much compred to the T-90m, i first lerned of such things though an animated video explaining the improvements to the vehicle compared to previous tanks and they made a dedicated mention of the upgrade
That's because it's a fairly new bit of Russian tank design, whereas in the West it's been common hat for decades. Nobody at BAE, General Dynamics, or KMW would have articles written about the spall liner in their latest Chally, Abrams, or Leopard, because that wouldn't be newsworthy. But if you read manuals on them, or development reports, they list them like every other common feature.
@@natesiress1057 Not really. Russian/Soviet tanks since T-55A had anti radiation lining which also was effective at stopping spalling, so T-90M getting "spall liner" is bit out of blue.
@@Panocek But the thing is, they're similar but separate features; when NBC protection was new, it was often talked about when vehicles were first introduced with it, but now it isn't mentioned. The same is true of dedicated spall liners; they were noteworthy when first introduced, but after a while became commonplace and so stopped seeing fanfare. I don't deny that NBC linings would help against spall, but a dedicated spall liner is a fairly new feature of Russian/Soviet tank development. Otherwise, why would it be a big deal on the T-90M?
I am at your side when it comes to russian/soviet tanks, i dont care how well or how worst they perfoming in real life i just like there Design and also history
I just hate how they are screwing over nato tanks, and specifically the abrams. All ussr/russian mbts show a progression in their armor and firepower. However, the abrams still gets the same hull armor as the 10.3 abrams. The us already has a bad win rate, and it is only going to get far worse. (I am a ground rb player so I don’t care about air rb inbalance)
I think we should all hold our criticism until the update drops and see if anything has improved. Also from what I've heard from the goblins of reddit is that Gaijin has confirmed an armor buff will be coming to the abrams sepv1 and sepv2. I'm also hoping for the hull armor nerf on the 2A7v is a bug because if it isn't then I'm damn well going to call them out on it. We were promised a better leopard with better protection as the strv122, but that isn't the case at the moment.
Bruh I play with russian tanks but I also have squadron Abrams. With Abrams I make all games at least 3 kills and in good matches i do 6 or more kills. From my experience I can say that Abrams are better than russian tanks. They always die with 1 shot while abrams in most cases need at least 2 shots for die. I don't understand all these babies crying for spall liner into a russian tank. It could however be destroyed with 1 shot of you hit the right spot
Honestly the problem is the Abrams could not be AS shit as it is if they would properly BR them. All they have at least the 120mm variants, is good ammo. That's it. The 105mm M1 is literally the worst MBT in the game. Even the Ariete is better than the M1 Abrams.
Abrams irl, i wont mention in game bec i am not a USA main so idk ur pain. But moving on irl the tank is not that good of a tank (personal opinion, all abrams fan boys that will mention how bad Russian tanks are or german tanks are, know this ur a loser)
The only feeling I get from this video is that I should never touch top tier ground like ever again. The BVM on crack. I wanna have fun Gaijin not feed into your Russian superiority complex
I'll forgo the spawl liner in the Abrams, which it has in the tech manual, which is declassified, for the addition of the 829a3 or 4, which can pen any Russian tank frontally. But no round even russian is modeled correctly. I.E. you are not walking away from a HEAT round if it pens or a DPU round that ignites the interior...
Justin You can't tell me that it's going to require the same methods used against any other Russian vehicle while failing to destroy one with 3BM60 in 2 sideshots at 1:36 That's not OK
In a fight where you and a russia MBT face each other and you both shoot at the same time, 90% chance you will die. Russia MBTs don't have to waste time to aim at your weak spots because everywhere on your tank is weak spot (except obvious place like turret cheek). They can just point and click then you dead while you have to give 1 - 1.5s (veteran skill) to aim at their weak spots. Not to mention these weak spots sometimes fail to kill the tank. Now with the new T-90M and spall liner, good luck killing it with Abrams or any other NATO tanks except for maybe Leopard with L55
I'd love to finally use a T90 that can Fight in closer ranges than 800m because of it's amazing gun handling, all while pretty much being uparmored a bit
the problem is that russia always get the newest mechanics first before other nation gets them which is already a unfair advantage which is why most people hate gaijin. example, spall liner, on the t90M first before another tanks that even got it 2-3 decades ago, best spaa which outranges all other competetive spaa and had the first smokeless missiles, era that actually has KE protection unlike nato tanks, seems to have spall liner before it even as a thing with ammo disappearing and nato rounds not spalling etc
Damn all these people that are complaining about the spall liner. I'm sure the spall liner would be modelled on other tanks later. Yeah, the T-90M is the first to have it modelled, but that doesn't that they have to immediately model it on all the vehicles that have it before showing the T-90M.
Ive been saying that about RU shells since the T64A was added, they monkey the shells because they have some mythical armor?(people can't aim for the 90% of the weak spots) the bm60 needs buffed if they add spall liners to nato tanks or its gonna be a slaughter
4:40 there is no logic to it, because all these armour values are just made up BS that Gaijin pulles out of their ass, to make the russian tanks as op as they are right now.
I found it very odd to see Russian tanks being so much overpowered and not even one Ukrainian vehicle in the game while they got a lot of upgraded T-64, T-72, T-80 and even the T-84 Oplot… 🧐 Also other nations should have tanks that at LEAST are able to pen the T-90 M from the sides… which doesn't seem to be the case right now :/
Ukrainian vehicles can't be added to the Russian tree, period. Plus, they have enough tanks of their own for a separate tech tree now. Hopefully that can go in after Russia's been sufficiently rehabilitated, but right now it's pretty much a non-starter. Shame, since someone's already made a custom model for either the Oplot or Yagatan tank.
@@Boris_The_Turtle Well thanks for the information, I myself play with French tech Tree as a main so Leclercs and I was a bit worried to see that even the DM 53 (650 mm of penetration instead of only 575 mm for the French OFL F1) was struggling to pen on the sides… So imagine with my poor Leclerc ;/
it annoying how most Russian tank are great against stock NATO vehicle as they got ERA all over the places to against rank 6 - 7 HEATFS stock round while most NATO tanks doesn't.
Fun fact: it's armor litterslly just got nerfed according to the data mine UFP Composite armor plate: Generic armor quality: .485->.25 Cumulative armor quality: 6.82->1.5 Gun mantlet: 20mm -> 10mm
slat armor at the back of the engine replace with era, cage armour in top of turret with extra net, maybe some drone counter measure, and they also said improved reverse speed
@@m.adrekaal-dziqro8257 I've seen the video from Russian army with the T-80s being put back in production with better transmission(supposedly 25km/h in reverse) but T-90M is still yet to show the same. From all the videos I've seen it still got the 'good old' 4km/h reverse speed
@@bish189 Basically it has electronic jammers, evne MORE Relikt (stack Relikt atop the Relikt), often times a top armor cage (cope cage) and sometimes Nakidia RAM camo. Nakidia makes it difficult to spot with IR guidance, electronic jammers are used for drones primarily but apparently they can affect thermal sights too. It supposedly has a fourteen-fifteen km/h reverse speed but I am yet to have this confirmed. Oh and they have thermobaric tank-guided missiles. It would be an absolute monster in the game. But I think one tank that would be worse would've been the refurbished T-80BVM tanks made this year. Twenty kilometer per hour reverse speed, top cage armor, more Relikt and cage armor at the front like the T-90M, and electronic jammers as well.
Genuinely I am sick of cries, yeah the spall liner is good but so are the phoenixes on the tomcat, it's the same thing that happened one nation gets something that others don't, stop crying.
the T90M is straight BS after playing it on the dev server the things to much for other tanks to handle which is such a lie with the highest penetration shell not even being able to penetrate it.
I dominated them with my Type 74 G on the beginning days of the dev server but then they did a little bit of updating and I went back to the normal game (Also whats that decal on the top mg)
Ah, also, one question: What would you recommend to get a big head start to grind USSR/Russia? I want to grind it but I cant decide wheter to get the 11.3 Lineup (expensive but NICE - KA50, Mig23ML, SU39, 2S38, BMP2M, T80UM2, T80UK which I'd all load with a Talisman) or the common 10.0 one (SU25, T72AV, BMP2M, 2S38) which is wayyy cheaper (390€/200€). Thanks for the vid!
I am guessing you have another tech tree spaded, if you are completely new to the game do not do either. One thing about russian teams at 10.0: They start to win and may have all 3 caps but once everyone died a single time, the enemy team ALWAYS reverse sweeps. To be honest though, the bmp2m and 2s38 are really powerful at 10.0 (turms is okay too, i dont know about cas so cant tell you) but at 11.3 you will get addicted to the armor and speed of the t80s to a degree where everything else will feel shit. So if I were in your shoes, provided you have toptier experience, go with 10.0 because else you are ruining it for yourself + cheaper + less repair cost.
The only thing that's going to grind ground vehicles in that lineup for you is the 2S38. The rest are squadron or event meaning they don't get proper RP outside of 1 rank below them even with talismans.
You are going to severely fuck up your grind time if you go with the 11.3 lineup. Most of your ground vehicles are non-premium, so even *with* a talisman, they're going to be horrifically inefficient at vehicle research, with the exception of the 2S38. If you want to grind the entirity of the tree, your best bet is to go with the 10.0 lineup, as all of them are premiums with the exception of the BMP2M, so they'll cover all vehicles from rank 1 - 7. If you decide you enjoy the tree once you've hit rank 6, THEN you can go ahead and pick up the T-80UM2/UK for your lineup, but do NOT get them to start.
3bm60 is accurate to that tank but all the shell Russia has Ingame in inaccurate. M829a2 is comparable to mango. Ik that sounds crazy but historically that was the competitor and the ma829a3 was produced to be the improvement over mango. America recently started to using the A4 variant but that’s super new
You can't really compare how shells work in WT to how they perform irl. Not to mention, we are still missing a lot of different ammo types and models for different tanks...
They actually used the mobility from modernized T-90As on this tank. Majority of T-90Ms we see today are older modernized T-90As with completely new turret and new engine, its supposed to get a new automatic transmission that is going to incriese the reverse speed to around 11-12kph, meaning Gaijin didnt want to add the new transmission and they wanted to make it bad in at least one aspect. Also yes, both T-80s and T-90s have better reload than what it states in the game, T-90M according to documents is supposed to reload in 6.5 seconds (i cannot find that exact document right now but if i do i will link it), and T-80 is supposed to reload in less than 6 seconds and should be around 5.5-5.3 seconds, if we account in that the gun dosent go up and dosent lock in place (source for this one is Tankograd a independent Russian OSINT about Russian tanks and it has official documents there at least the imaged from those documents).
@@theneef174 They were new transmission is automatic instead of manual one like they use now, also gear ratios were changed to make a reverse speed better, you have video evidence of better reverse gear in Ukraine.
@@milosmilictrob2046 that footage is of the Obr 2022 version of the M which has improvements from combat experience. the original T90M has 4.2kph reverse speed.
@@milosmilictrob2046 We literally haze zero evidence of that. We have evidence of literally the opposite of what you are saying. The t90 series continues to have terrible reverse speed and completely lacks neutral steering. The only correct thing you have said in this post is about the reload speed, which can be as low as 2.5 seconds between rounds depending entirely on where the next shot in the carousel is.
all russian top tier tanks have very small weakspots, you have to be very accurate to make use of them. yet all british and most other nations have far bigger weakspots frontaly and on the sides. on top of russian tanks also being faster/more mobile (british and german main speaking here) frontaly they are very hard to take out or at an angle. its basicly at least for me getting lucky the skill gap for playing russians top tier mbt is almost easy mode. that is imho very unbalanced. russia also gets very good lights and very good cas and choppers. its not that a single vehicle fo russia makes russia op or bias confirmed it the total nr of vehicles at every tier that they have that are the top dogs at their tier esp in ground rb. they have many many good or fantasic option compared to other nations. britisch just suck at top tier and have no other option the a slow mbt with paper armour and average sniping. some maps just put brits out of the game from the start because it a city map. while germans are better then brits for sure they dont compare to russia in terms of choice and survivability, same with us. so imo the t80bvm is already to good and op just as the 2s38 wich should be 11.3 period. now the t90 is even harder to destroy then the t80bvm..... is just has a slow reverse speed, wich means very litlle as its very hard or even harder to kill frontaly and from the side.... i have to see the t90m in game but all i can see its gonna be broken op even more then the t80bvm and 2s38. and just confirms for me russian bias 100%
So yeah, I actually uninstalled the game when I heard this was coming. There is no point in playing against these propaganda mobiles, and the spam is going to be atrocious. So I guess thanks for the 5 years, War Thunder, but I'm done.
Also that Leopard looked a bit on the blue side on the dev server maybe they are gonna put in that thermal dissipating camo the Hyperstealth Biotechnology’s light-bending Quantum Stealth material in the game?
GAIJIN has made a mess of the game's balance. If it weren't for our dissatisfaction with GAIJIN, GAIJIN would even only be lining the T90M. I don't know why GAIJIN updated the new version so early this time. The completion rate of many vehicles is still very low, and there are still many top-level vehicles that have not been lined. I can imagine how bad the new version will be. Maybe I should go to Steam and give WT a negative review.
YOU KNOW IT WOULD BE NICE FOR TEM TO NOTE THE FACT THAT THE MANTLET OF THE CHALLY 2 AND 3 HAS COMPOSITE ON TOP THAT IS UNCLASSIFIED. BUT NOOOOO JUST TO MAKE BRITIAN SUCK IT DOESNT MATTER...
No offense but most us players are fucking stupid I have top tier in both us and ussr and American player I'm pretty sure don't even have headphones. They shoot you in the frontal plate and not weak spots they pop smoke when shot at even if it's a nonpen. Don't get me wrong usa tanks do suck but they are still good I can easily get 12 kill games in my abrams I find the leopards more difficult to kill then the Russians anyway
This thing is looking to be very strong, no doubt. But I think that most people who complain about it are overreacting a bit due to the (more than justified) outrage about spall liners. But seriously, if you compare the T-90M to the BVM and T-72B3 it doesn't bring that many upgrades, and most notably, the mobility will still be worse than both of those.
Russia needs absolutely no new tanks. They haven’t for a while. What we need is balancing to what’s already in the game. The “major updates” usually tend to be focal points for B.S. rather than great big uplifts.
The problem is not that the Russian tanks (especially the T-90M) have good frontal armor, the problem is when you shoot them in the side and barely nothing happen. Like look at the 2 shots at 1:37 like what even is that, skill issue 😆
Shooting at Track. Has always being an old problem with War thunder.. Since the start of Ground units... Nothing new. Just avoid the damn track when you shoot.
@@Rek1emMScar its in no way exclusive to shots that hit the track, penetrating shots that take out not just one, but several pieces of ammo can and will do fuck all
@@Rek1emMScar To also note, the era hanging off the side does so much in tandem with the spall liner. the 120mm effective era lessens the pen of a dart while starting the shrapnel early, it hits the main armor which dampens the round even more and by the time the dart gets through the spall liner aswell the round has been pretty much lowered to only a few pieces of shrapnel. Idc too much (unless it is game breaking) if gaijin wants to buff or add certain mechanics in the game, I just dont get why the do it to 1 vehicle instead of all the ones who need it or have it IRL.
@@dnfluffles772Ok but no way that a single era brick and 50mm of side armor is going to realistically stop a +600mm pen sabot round from point blank range
All russian MBTs (T72, T80, T90) have 80mm of side armor (steel) and a lot of ERA, while for example the Leo2 has 35mm and basically nothing.@@wirb3859
1:37 That first kill on the t90m with even with a t90m is the entire problem with this update
You do realize this is a dev server and none of this is final right? It amazes me how when anyone but Russia gets vehicles everything is fine but as soon as a new mechanic is introduced in a tank that isn’t not Russia everyone starts bitching up a storm about something that most definitely not be this way on release. Like no one is crying the gripen can pull 21gs sustained.
@@FXIIBeaver why would anyone complain about plane on a channel about ground battles? Get real
@@maxrightgame shows the hypocrisy of the “community”
@@FXIIBeaver not a problem when developers are hypocrites themselves, only natural to be drawn together
@@maxrightgame except they aren’t. There is literally no bias. Bias is bad for business.
Funny how gaijin adds things nobody asked for to russian tanks like the spall liner on the t90m but they are not willing to give nato vehicles their accurate armor or firepower even after years
u should cry harder
@@Retronyxhe doesn't have to when you're doing it for him
@@Retronyx "I willingly acknowledge that there's some sort of slanted favoritism and basis for applying new features, but go fuck yourself and your issues with that." Next time say that if you're going to be a weasel
@@Retronyx Its not my fault your parents fight big man so go let it out on someone else.
@@RetronyxRussian main spotted
Russian tanks go up in weight but get significant buffs to the armor protection.
NATO tanks get heavier and heavier with actual 0 buff to the armor.
NATO crews be putting on weight...
but the sep has remote controlled weapon...
@@UAGhostriderwhich is literally useless
@@wha200789 i know. All other tanks then the hellcat has it
Problem is there isnt much for gaijin to go on the abrams tank. Most of the stuff is simply classified, unlike the leo tanks and russian tanks who had stuff like the swedish trials.
One thing is for sure though, even the most modern abrams tanks lacks spall liners as confirmed by every crew member out there. Also the turret ring is just a massive weakpoints for the abrams which no adding armor around will fix.
The difference between this and t-80 is, we all knew t-80bvm had an invisible spall liner. Gaijin is taking us for idiots but were like ok fine well bite the bullet but now, gaijin is openly putting bias over other tanks.
I don’t think it had an invisible spall liner, I just thought it was a crappy model. It doesn’t seem to reduce spall like the actual T-90M liner does from the X-ray.
Its really just the fuel tanks and the bs ammo charges that eat all the spalling and don’t explode.
Yes, the BVM is just poorly modeled and its ammo has some absolutely bullshit damage model, it isn't part of some secret invisible spall liner conspiracy. The T-90M has an spall liner and so it should, the problem here is that other tanks are lacking it and that Gaijin refuses to acknowledge it.
@@Boris_The_Turtle there was definitely behind the scenes artificial buffs to its armor, I don't think saying BVM has invisible spall liner is that far fetched
@@cutthroat795 Most players don't know this but if you use Nvidia ansel freecam to look inside any t-80, youll see that they have a fully armored turret basket. Its basically 360 spall protection for the turret crew. Its thickness is perfectly around 5mm so that it will stop some spalling but will not create any spalling because its too thin for that.
I still love how they refuse to use sources that are not classified, even if they COME FROM THE MAKERS THEMSELVES, for Nato vehicles but will fix Russian vehicles because of some propaganda video in 2012
The russian tanks aren't balanced already, this one will be even worse. This makes it so you can *barely* make it through the side with the best APFSDS rounds in the game, and if it does make it through the armor, it won't do anything. It's blatantly overpowered. It gets advantages that no other tank in the game has. It has armor like no other tank in the game. The ONLY shortcoming of this tank in war thunder is its reverse speed.
And thats because its IRL the armor as we can see in Ukraine is JUNK your point stands High and Mighty I like you because you tell the Truth that no one Wants to hear
Cry, cope, and seethe German main
😂@@firefly9838
@@firefly9838You should cry when they fix it, russian Main, go and lose your braincells like russia lose their units during every war
Gaijin (I think) has said that other vehicles will get spall liners in the future, but how much do you wanna bet that they're saying this to calm the hate being sent their way?
Let's not forget about the community manager that got doxed because he labelled the spall liner on the T-90M as "Not a bug" and then suffered the wrath of a pissed off player-base.
its a systen issue
he just press buttons
and system just says not a bug
its not manahers fault
its gaijin ignorance and theyre community tools
@@陈凯文-n1hDefinitely a lot of tools in the community, when they think it's ok to dox an employee, just because they didn't get their favourite flavour of lollipop in a video game.
What a bunch of whining babies.
Regardless what POS cry baby adult thinks it's ok to doxx ppl over a game? Ppl like that deserves to be banned. Keep crying over nations differences and they'll just limit access to dev servers. There's a disclaimer for a fkn reason. Who cares what nation gets it first.
nice video man, and the problem is always how the devs have coded the soviets tanks for top tier, both China and Russia are the same, you shoot them and is all RNG, the fact that a Turms can pen a SEP or the 2A6 among other with no issues and they can struggle is just insanity, i don't mind of Russian tanks can 1 shot any of my tanks, just let me do the same to them as it was 3 years ago ? i dare to say before the BVM introduction, the moment the BVM got added, everything went downhill for other nations, and i know this because i also mained Russia at the start and they were mostly a support nation and wasn't easy to play those tanks.
Like every Russian tank that comes in the game. Balance is just an afterthought
It's always bothered me, how much easier the stock grind is for Russia when you can get a LRF/LWR as literally second or third mod, while NATO MBTs require it being AT MINIMUM a Tier 4 upgrade that requires upwards of 90k RP down (used to be over 100k) before you can even start researching it, like Leopard 2 PSO requiring 1 tier 1, and 3 tier 2 mods and 3 tier 3 mods before you can even start the grind for the LRF (which is also not including snatching the 16,000 RP tier 1 APFSDS round)
Um lmfao there are like 3 russian tanks with lwr
@@purplenurp5590 I included the LWR as it's in the upgrade lol. NATO tanks only get laser rangefinder WITHOUT LWR as a rank 4 mod, like on the Leopard 2A5, 2A6, 2A5 PSO, Strv 122A, Strv 122B PLSS, all of these have their laser rangefinder as a rank FOUR mod, WHICH IS MY POINT, you have to grind 100k+ RP before you can even get a good LRF, vs Russia getting it as the third mod you can get (like 20-25k RP at most, or 36k if you take a detour to get rank 1 APFSDS first... and Russian tanks with stock HE that oneshots top of the line MBTs by touchng their commanders optics have far more use for auto-range-adjusting LRF than a NATO tank does with HEAT FS that doesn't work... it's blatant favoritism.
NATO tanks get thermals at 9.3. russian tanks get thermals in tanks (ignoring the turms) at 10.3.
NATO tanks have better gun depression, reverse speed and better variety in vics and mobility than russia.
Americans and germans get magical RWS machine guns through ww2 tanks meaning CAS spam is far less annoying. Russians get their MGs pretty late somewhere around 6.0 if i remember correctly.
There is no russians bias.
same for me, i wanted to see the T90M ingame. but the way it got implemented is kinda fishy.
Cant wait for Gaijin to add the T90M Obr 2022 in 2 patches just adding the Arena Hardkill APS
I'm sure it'll have like 40 charges as well. You know, because Russian tech is best and most modern tech. These people put TIRES on their airplanes to protect it from drones and missiles. Fucking tires off of fucking Lada's. But Russia is supposed to be innovative and most advanced tech...? Come on Gaijin...
Arena APS exist only under form of blueprints in the T-90M, i don't really think they are gonna implement it anytime soon or at least till Uralvagonzavod actually fields the system
@@str1k3rexthe yak141
@@str1k3rex There is proof of it on the T-72B3, though sadly not T-90M as far as I know
@@str1k3rex They clearly don't care about that anymore, Kronstrat, F16AJ, YAK141, Mirage 4K just a few examples. This tank is pure power creep, the only downside to this tank is its reverse speed. hell they even lessened or just straight up removed some of the common weak spots on this.
My first nations was russia too, ill be getting the t90m and su27 before anything else. I just wish they balanced russia, or made the other nations just as strong. I used to play Armored Warfare and i think about it every now and then, its sad where its at now but all the tanks were balanced one way or another.
Lower plate shot is 95% two shot to kill t80s, t72,s and t90 for me
I feel like this is just a mental anchoring strategy so when they release a 70 dollar DLC, it will appear cheaper.
"things might change" is always what is said to reassure people about Russian vehicles that are OP on the Dev server. I can't tell a single time where these vehicles have become worse on the live release
Have you guys seen the ERA on this tank ? It stops every shell coming at a 45° angle
Mark my words : the T-90M is going to be the single most powerful ground vehicle added into the game
EDIT : The update dropped and ... Nothing changed.
Then those crazy gaijin mfs did it: best cas best ground = 90% wr daaaa
the us has the most cancer cas tho@@theDarkside798
Mig 29 when they first tried to release the r 73
@@verzache-they only did that because it wasn't working right
even with spall liner, the breech always exists, and other than the bad spalling the T90M is mid as hell
Russian bias has hit a new extreme with this update. This makes me want to, once again, start vomiting profusely. I havent touched tippy top tier since the BVM was added, and with the M getting added, it still wont be playing it for a long time. Unless they add the spall liners to all tanks that have it, Russian ammo actually starts exploding when hit, muhfreebrams gets its DU, i wont ever be returning. And that depresses me greatly.
imo they should add spall liner to additional era kit so it doesn’t come stock with the tank
Definitely think you should have way more than fly daily. Keep up the good work. Love it men
Sadly it didnt drop yet :C
That’s crazy I forgot he only has almost 70 K followers. I thought he had over 200.
T72 is also on my bucketlist . I was a t72 tank driver in the Hungarian army in 99 . I wanna get one.
What was the maintenance and training like?
@@oldman8996 How do you mean?
I've been waiting for this video. Hopefully, when they update based on, you'll shoot a video too.
I have no problem with the fact that they add the T90m. I have a Problem that GAJIN adds a Spall liner (which is standard in nato tanks for years) to the newest tank for Russia and didnt even consider to add it on NATO or any other Tanks. I get the point that Russian Tanks have their weak spots and i also play them a lot and for that i can say that you survive a lot more in RUssian tanks.
They already confirmed it for NATO tanks.
@@Boris_The_Turtle I meant it that way, if the community didn’t stood up they probably wouldn’t have added it to the game.
@@Boris_The_Turtleadds it to every nato ifv and aa lmao
It's a bit frustrating tbh, just how many things are better in Russian tanks, like autoloader ignoring the tank being on fire/not EVER suffering decreased effectiveness from loader being dead/wounded...and no "NATO hump" that makes it impossible to shoot in the rear-60-degrees angle
the S tank had the modeled spalliner before.
We have almost all modern stuff in the game now,wait we dont have option for changing shell without shooting...hmmm...
the fact gaijin considers any NATO sources as unreliable about NATO spall liners is an absolute bullshit proof of gaijin devs being totally biased towards russia
time for review bombing i guess. the only language they understand is when there is a potential threat to their earnings
the thing about the spall liner, whilst i am aware that other vehicles have it, to me it wasnt advertised as much compred to the T-90m, i first lerned of such things though an animated video explaining the improvements to the vehicle compared to previous tanks and they made a dedicated mention of the upgrade
That's because it's a fairly new bit of Russian tank design, whereas in the West it's been common hat for decades. Nobody at BAE, General Dynamics, or KMW would have articles written about the spall liner in their latest Chally, Abrams, or Leopard, because that wouldn't be newsworthy. But if you read manuals on them, or development reports, they list them like every other common feature.
@@natesiress1057 Not really. Russian/Soviet tanks since T-55A had anti radiation lining which also was effective at stopping spalling, so T-90M getting "spall liner" is bit out of blue.
@@Panocek But the thing is, they're similar but separate features; when NBC protection was new, it was often talked about when vehicles were first introduced with it, but now it isn't mentioned. The same is true of dedicated spall liners; they were noteworthy when first introduced, but after a while became commonplace and so stopped seeing fanfare.
I don't deny that NBC linings would help against spall, but a dedicated spall liner is a fairly new feature of Russian/Soviet tank development. Otherwise, why would it be a big deal on the T-90M?
@@natesiress1057 We don't know if its "big deal" on actual T-90M or its just snail having a snail moment and decided to add liner because funny.
I say if there are only spall liners for some of the top MBT’s on this next update, some more review bombing is in order.
I am at your side when it comes to russian/soviet tanks, i dont care how well or how worst they perfoming in real life i just like there Design and also history
@@Brian-qj4kkno its not wtf?
@@Brian-qj4kk xDddd for sure
Agreed. They always looked great, and personally, I like Russian and late Soviet tanks way more than any other country. I don't know why.
@@Brian-qj4kk Def not
Video idea: Since all three were the separated products of a joint project, you should play the Leopard 1, OF-40, and the AMX-30 just to compare them!
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I just hate how they are screwing over nato tanks, and specifically the abrams. All ussr/russian mbts show a progression in their armor and firepower. However, the abrams still gets the same hull armor as the 10.3 abrams. The us already has a bad win rate, and it is only going to get far worse. (I am a ground rb player so I don’t care about air rb inbalance)
I think we should all hold our criticism until the update drops and see if anything has improved. Also from what I've heard from the goblins of reddit is that Gaijin has confirmed an armor buff will be coming to the abrams sepv1 and sepv2. I'm also hoping for the hull armor nerf on the 2A7v is a bug because if it isn't then I'm damn well going to call them out on it. We were promised a better leopard with better protection as the strv122, but that isn't the case at the moment.
Bruh I play with russian tanks but I also have squadron Abrams. With Abrams I make all games at least 3 kills and in good matches i do 6 or more kills. From my experience I can say that Abrams are better than russian tanks. They always die with 1 shot while abrams in most cases need at least 2 shots for die. I don't understand all these babies crying for spall liner into a russian tank. It could however be destroyed with 1 shot of you hit the right spot
As a NATO player I think having things on hard mode makes it kinda interesting idk. Makes me feel good when u get 10-12 kills at TT.
Honestly the problem is the Abrams could not be AS shit as it is if they would properly BR them. All they have at least the 120mm variants, is good ammo. That's it. The 105mm M1 is literally the worst MBT in the game. Even the Ariete is better than the M1 Abrams.
Abrams irl, i wont mention in game bec i am not a USA main so idk ur pain. But moving on irl the tank is not that good of a tank (personal opinion, all abrams fan boys that will mention how bad Russian tanks are or german tanks are, know this ur a loser)
This is my take, the spall liner should be researchable along with the era packaging.
And all the Brits get to counter it is DM-53 and a smoothbore cannon
its so beautiful
The only feeling I get from this video is that I should never touch top tier ground like ever again.
The BVM on crack.
I wanna have fun Gaijin not feed into your Russian superiority complex
Holy shit those flames look like ones from Mass Effect 3, I expect a Reaper event in War Thunder, or Normandy at least...or Reaper vs Normandy
The same weakspots? LOL Cant kill it side on with tt pen apfsds rounds lmao
I'll forgo the spawl liner in the Abrams, which it has in the tech manual, which is declassified, for the addition of the 829a3 or 4, which can pen any Russian tank frontally. But no round even russian is modeled correctly. I.E. you are not walking away from a HEAT round if it pens or a DPU round that ignites the interior...
for one i highly doubt the effectiveness of these rounds against ERA, for two, no, you will not get it, because that would obviously not be balanced
Justin
You can't tell me that it's going to require the same methods used against any other Russian vehicle while failing to destroy one with 3BM60 in 2 sideshots at 1:36
That's not OK
Yeah I noticed that too, hopefully it doesn't remain like that when it drops
@@JustinPlaysTV yep
We all coping and hoping.
In a fight where you and a russia MBT face each other and you both shoot at the same time, 90% chance you will die. Russia MBTs don't have to waste time to aim at your weak spots because everywhere on your tank is weak spot (except obvious place like turret cheek). They can just point and click then you dead while you have to give 1 - 1.5s (veteran skill) to aim at their weak spots. Not to mention these weak spots sometimes fail to kill the tank. Now with the new T-90M and spall liner, good luck killing it with Abrams or any other NATO tanks except for maybe Leopard with L55
I'd love to finally use a T90 that can Fight in closer ranges than 800m because of it's amazing gun handling, all while pretty much being uparmored a bit
So is it better than bvm?
@@mich421bvm is like faster t90m with less survivability while t90m is bvm with nore survivability with lower mobility
Sidegrade bias with more Relikt on it.
That's a full upgraded bias!
Or nicknamed "Spall Liner Case".
Tbh, if they add a bunch of spall liner to all top tier, thats gonna balance the game by a lot.
Hopefully this Thursday
Now let’s wait for BM Oplot
the problem is that russia always get the newest mechanics first before other nation gets them which is already a unfair advantage which is why most people hate gaijin. example, spall liner, on the t90M first before another tanks that even got it 2-3 decades ago, best spaa which outranges all other competetive spaa and had the first smokeless missiles, era that actually has KE protection unlike nato tanks, seems to have spall liner before it even as a thing with ammo disappearing and nato rounds not spalling etc
Damn all these people that are complaining about the spall liner. I'm sure the spall liner would be modelled on other tanks later.
Yeah, the T-90M is the first to have it modelled, but that doesn't that they have to immediately model it on all the vehicles that have it before showing the T-90M.
7:38 It's the same as the BVM its just your BVM wasn't aced.
The 3bm60 got 710mm pen in real life. I hate that bs stats on the russian side
Ive been saying that about RU shells since the T64A was added, they monkey the shells because they have some mythical armor?(people can't aim for the 90% of the weak spots) the bm60 needs buffed if they add spall liners to nato tanks or its gonna be a slaughter
no it doesnt, it has around 630mm
no it doesn`t, where did you even get that from?
@@sanmiguel4774 skill issue
Justin. Whenever you buy a T-55, I want to see you post a community post of a picture of that parked in front of your house. 🤣🤣
You think I won't?
Psh, ill make the post from INSIDE the tank 😏
4:40 there is no logic to it, because all these armour values are just made up BS that Gaijin pulles out of their ass, to make the russian tanks as op as they are right now.
I found it very odd to see Russian tanks being so much overpowered and not even one Ukrainian vehicle in the game while they got a lot of upgraded T-64, T-72, T-80 and even the T-84 Oplot… 🧐
Also other nations should have tanks that at LEAST are able to pen the T-90 M from the sides… which doesn't seem to be the case right now :/
They can pen it from the front and sides. It’s just the spall from the sides that will be reduced, not the penetration.
where would Ukrainian vehicles go? In the russian tech tree?
Gaijin said that due to geopolitics they won't add Ukrainian vehicles
Ukrainian vehicles can't be added to the Russian tree, period. Plus, they have enough tanks of their own for a separate tech tree now. Hopefully that can go in after Russia's been sufficiently rehabilitated, but right now it's pretty much a non-starter. Shame, since someone's already made a custom model for either the Oplot or Yagatan tank.
@@Boris_The_Turtle Well thanks for the information, I myself play with French tech Tree as a main so Leclercs and I was a bit worried to see that even the DM 53 (650 mm of penetration instead of only 575 mm for the French OFL F1) was struggling to pen on the sides… So imagine with my poor Leclerc ;/
it annoying how most Russian tank are great against stock NATO vehicle as they got ERA all over the places to against rank 6 - 7 HEATFS stock round while most NATO tanks doesn't.
Fun fact: it's armor litterslly just got nerfed according to the data mine
UFP Composite armor plate:
Generic armor quality: .485->.25
Cumulative armor quality: 6.82->1.5
Gun mantlet: 20mm -> 10mm
this is pretty much irrelevant, it's one of the tiny pieces of the front armour
Im surprised you didnt put out a ping on your server
I forgot.. Was in the middle of a stream xP
If you're ever in NorthernVA you should check out the Americans in Wartime museum, they've got the tanks you want 😂
T-90M OBR 2023 is a whole new monster imo wish we could take such beast
How's it different from it's earlier variants?
Relik over Relik.. Cope cage with Kontakt 5.. Yea that thing its stupid.
slat armor at the back of the engine replace with era, cage armour in top of turret with extra net, maybe some drone counter measure, and they also said improved reverse speed
@@m.adrekaal-dziqro8257 I've seen the video from Russian army with the T-80s being put back in production with better transmission(supposedly 25km/h in reverse) but T-90M is still yet to show the same.
From all the videos I've seen it still got the 'good old' 4km/h reverse speed
@@bish189
Basically it has electronic jammers, evne MORE Relikt (stack Relikt atop the Relikt), often times a top armor cage (cope cage) and sometimes Nakidia RAM camo. Nakidia makes it difficult to spot with IR guidance, electronic jammers are used for drones primarily but apparently they can affect thermal sights too. It supposedly has a fourteen-fifteen km/h reverse speed but I am yet to have this confirmed. Oh and they have thermobaric tank-guided missiles.
It would be an absolute monster in the game. But I think one tank that would be worse would've been the refurbished T-80BVM tanks made this year. Twenty kilometer per hour reverse speed, top cage armor, more Relikt and cage armor at the front like the T-90M, and electronic jammers as well.
also we want the BTR-82
Genuinely I am sick of cries, yeah the spall liner is good but so are the phoenixes on the tomcat, it's the same thing that happened one nation gets something that others don't, stop crying.
buddy if you are having problems with the phoenixes in the current air meta, you genuinely just suck at the game lmao.
Pheonixes are annoying, but not good.
@@sadge1234 Man i use phoenixes in right hands they are more than good man
That moment when biased country tank get shrapnel catch (plot armor)
is that a new anime girl decal on ur remote turret? nice
the T90M is straight BS after playing it on the dev server the things to much for other tanks to handle which is such a lie with the highest penetration shell not even being able to penetrate it.
T90m have better armor than any other russian tank so what did you expect?
its also the Dev server so bet its gonna change some.@@IzakSemrdoii
@@farmcat9873 i'm saying in real life
@@IzakSemrdoiithis is untrue, the ufp has not changed, it just got relikt instead of k5.
@@theneef174 and relikt offers more protection agaist Ke and Heat , sooo t90m have BETTER ARMOR THAN ANY OTHER RUSSIAN TANK
Can't wait to get my hands on this beauty......yes I main Russia.....
“Everything is subject to change”🤓🤓
i mean if the leo2a7 stays purple im gonna be happiest monley known to man
Just give it its proper ammunition values and HEATFS shells and screw the liners
Those ERA bags aren’t relikt.. but stuff called 4s24
With egg boxes and sand in them
I am quiting ground and only playing air unless they fix this bias.
I probably won’t be playing the update… I’ll be playing Ready or Not instead.
Have fun ngga
I hope it gets the cope cage as a add on armor package lol
I wanna see it too! I will just laugh
That is the obr 2022 model this is the 2017 upgrade
At least no one can argue against russian bias anymore, because its so obvious now
Can we also just appreciate that instant commander takeover when the gunner gets taken out at 9:45, just another benefit of Russian MBT's I take it.
looks to be older footage.
Commander Override needs a nerf to how fast the TC takes over.
@@shirghazaycowboys it's not instant in the main game there's about a 5 second delay on it instead of instant
old footage, before the change.
this thing is going to be so fucking busted that spall liner is going to over perform so bad
They should have stop with Leo2A5 with DM33 level of modern in the first place.
How that's happened
T90M vs jumbo 6.7
T90M vs su 100 6.7
T90M vs Franch tank 7.3
???
Tos 1 and t 14 next pls!
I dominated them with my Type 74 G on the beginning days of the dev server but then they did a little bit of updating and I went back to the normal game
(Also whats that decal on the top mg)
Ah, also, one question: What would you recommend to get a big head start to grind USSR/Russia? I want to grind it but I cant decide wheter to get the 11.3 Lineup (expensive but NICE - KA50, Mig23ML, SU39, 2S38, BMP2M, T80UM2, T80UK which I'd all load with a Talisman) or the common 10.0 one (SU25, T72AV, BMP2M, 2S38) which is wayyy cheaper (390€/200€). Thanks for the vid!
I am guessing you have another tech tree spaded, if you are completely new to the game do not do either. One thing about russian teams at 10.0: They start to win and may have all 3 caps but once everyone died a single time, the enemy team ALWAYS reverse sweeps. To be honest though, the bmp2m and 2s38 are really powerful at 10.0 (turms is okay too, i dont know about cas so cant tell you) but at 11.3 you will get addicted to the armor and speed of the t80s to a degree where everything else will feel shit. So if I were in your shoes, provided you have toptier experience, go with 10.0 because else you are ruining it for yourself + cheaper + less repair cost.
The only thing that's going to grind ground vehicles in that lineup for you is the 2S38. The rest are squadron or event meaning they don't get proper RP outside of 1 rank below them even with talismans.
You are going to severely fuck up your grind time if you go with the 11.3 lineup. Most of your ground vehicles are non-premium, so even *with* a talisman, they're going to be horrifically inefficient at vehicle research, with the exception of the 2S38.
If you want to grind the entirity of the tree, your best bet is to go with the 10.0 lineup, as all of them are premiums with the exception of the BMP2M, so they'll cover all vehicles from rank 1 - 7.
If you decide you enjoy the tree once you've hit rank 6, THEN you can go ahead and pick up the T-80UM2/UK for your lineup, but do NOT get them to start.
If you're a new player I would recommend premium account as every action you do in a vehicle will receive a bonus from the premium account.
Go with 10.0 lineup, why would you use 11.3 lineup with many non premium tank, it will severely hinder grind, don't do that
3bm60 is accurate to that tank but all the shell Russia has Ingame in inaccurate. M829a2 is comparable to mango. Ik that sounds crazy but historically that was the competitor and the ma829a3 was produced to be the improvement over mango. America recently started to using the A4 variant but that’s super new
In what world was a2 ever supposed to be a counterpart to mango?
The 3bm60 got 710mm pen in real life.
You can't really compare how shells work in WT to how they perform irl. Not to mention, we are still missing a lot of different ammo types and models for different tanks...
kinda bummed out they didnt give it real reverse of 16km/h but alr
It never had 16km/h in reverse 😅
@@deadsnake_war Russian official documents state 16kmh reverse and in footage of ukraine battles u see it going in reverse faster than 10kmh
@@flareamv5503 thats a modification, T-90MS I believe
@@daskollektiv4593 original T90M from Russia
@@flareamv5503 what?
They actually used the mobility from modernized T-90As on this tank.
Majority of T-90Ms we see today are older modernized T-90As with completely new turret and new engine, its supposed to get a new automatic transmission that is going to incriese the reverse speed to around 11-12kph, meaning Gaijin didnt want to add the new transmission and they wanted to make it bad in at least one aspect.
Also yes, both T-80s and T-90s have better reload than what it states in the game, T-90M according to documents is supposed to reload in 6.5 seconds (i cannot find that exact document right now but if i do i will link it), and T-80 is supposed to reload in less than 6 seconds and should be around 5.5-5.3 seconds, if we account in that the gun dosent go up and dosent lock in place (source for this one is Tankograd a independent Russian OSINT about Russian tanks and it has official documents there at least the imaged from those documents).
No t90m were equipped with the new transmission. It was planned back in the 2010s, but never applied or even exported.
gotta make it more fair
@@theneef174 They were new transmission is automatic instead of manual one like they use now, also gear ratios were changed to make a reverse speed better, you have video evidence of better reverse gear in Ukraine.
@@milosmilictrob2046 that footage is of the Obr 2022 version of the M which has improvements from combat experience. the original T90M has 4.2kph reverse speed.
@@milosmilictrob2046 We literally haze zero evidence of that. We have evidence of literally the opposite of what you are saying. The t90 series continues to have terrible reverse speed and completely lacks neutral steering.
The only correct thing you have said in this post is about the reload speed, which can be as low as 2.5 seconds between rounds depending entirely on where the next shot in the carousel is.
Justin how are you not over a million subs you are the best youtuber and steamer ever
There's no way it will be balanced lol.
all russian top tier tanks have very small weakspots, you have to be very accurate to make use of them. yet all british and most other nations have far bigger weakspots frontaly and on the sides. on top of russian tanks also being faster/more mobile (british and german main speaking here) frontaly they are very hard to take out or at an angle. its basicly at least for me getting lucky the skill gap for playing russians top tier mbt is almost easy mode. that is imho very unbalanced. russia also gets very good lights and very good cas and choppers. its not that a single vehicle fo russia makes russia op or bias confirmed it the total nr of vehicles at every tier that they have that are the top dogs at their tier esp in ground rb. they have many many good or fantasic option compared to other nations.
britisch just suck at top tier and have no other option the a slow mbt with paper armour and average sniping. some maps just put brits out of the game from the start because it a city map.
while germans are better then brits for sure they dont compare to russia in terms of choice and survivability, same with us.
so imo the t80bvm is already to good and op just as the 2s38 wich should be 11.3 period. now the t90 is even harder to destroy then the t80bvm..... is just has a slow reverse speed, wich means very litlle as its very hard or even harder to kill frontaly and from the side....
i have to see the t90m in game but all i can see its gonna be broken op even more then the t80bvm and 2s38. and just confirms for me russian bias 100%
So yeah, I actually uninstalled the game when I heard this was coming. There is no point in playing against these propaganda mobiles, and the spam is going to be atrocious. So I guess thanks for the 5 years, War Thunder, but I'm done.
Also that Leopard looked a bit on the blue side on the dev server maybe they are gonna put in that thermal dissipating camo the Hyperstealth Biotechnology’s light-bending Quantum Stealth material in the game?
Steam review bomb part 2! Do your part lads
GAIJIN has made a mess of the game's balance.
If it weren't for our dissatisfaction with GAIJIN, GAIJIN would even only be lining the T90M. I don't know why GAIJIN updated the new version so early this time. The completion rate of many vehicles is still very low, and there are still many top-level vehicles that have not been lined. I can imagine how bad the new version will be.
Maybe I should go to Steam and give WT a negative review.
When the update drops, will it come with the 50% sale?
Me too, i just Love Russian Tanks!
YOU KNOW IT WOULD BE NICE FOR TEM TO NOTE THE FACT THAT THE MANTLET OF THE CHALLY 2 AND 3 HAS COMPOSITE ON TOP THAT IS UNCLASSIFIED. BUT NOOOOO JUST TO MAKE BRITIAN SUCK IT DOESNT MATTER...
I am done with WT. With USA currently having a 20% Top Tier win rate and they add this blatant bias machine... Propaganda
US mains not leaving the match after dying once would help
@@ougioshino6940they'd just feed more
No offense but most us players are fucking stupid I have top tier in both us and ussr and American player I'm pretty sure don't even have headphones. They shoot you in the frontal plate and not weak spots they pop smoke when shot at even if it's a nonpen. Don't get me wrong usa tanks do suck but they are still good I can easily get 12 kill games in my abrams I find the leopards more difficult to kill then the Russians anyway
Becouse american playas are bad?!
Tf u talking bout? USA is the most biased tech tree in the gane with the best uptier machines. Literally skill issue.
This thing is looking to be very strong, no doubt. But I think that most people who complain about it are overreacting a bit due to the (more than justified) outrage about spall liners. But seriously, if you compare the T-90M to the BVM and T-72B3 it doesn't bring that many upgrades, and most notably, the mobility will still be worse than both of those.
istg gaijin is going to sell object 640 as a premium
Russia needs absolutely no new tanks. They haven’t for a while. What we need is balancing to what’s already in the game. The “major updates” usually tend to be focal points for B.S. rather than great big uplifts.
Now gaijin needs to add the LMUR missile for the ka52 and mi28nm.
I hear Russian BIAS when he says he is a Russian MAIN
How is the Ariete amv this br bro
guys when does the update drops??
Next week probably
we all know the T-90 ain't gonna be balanced, especially with the complete lack of any spall liners and whatnot in NATO stuff