Honda Oil Dilution Problem is it fixed?
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- Hey folks! I had such a strong response to my first video on the Honda oil dilution problem I wanted to do a follow-up based on the information and personal experience that people have shared with me since. It really helps get closer to the answer to the question: is it fixed? Can I safely buy a Honda with this motor in it and not be setting myself up for failure?
Stay tuned to find out! And all the best! -Brad - Авто та транспорт
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Not fixed on my NEW 2020 CRV. I have a 1.5 2020 CRV it only has 1,300 miles oil is over 1 QT. Over the Orange on the dipstick. Do not Buy a HONDA with a 1.5L turbo engine!!
I solved the Honda oil dilution problems 100% - - - - - by switching to Toyota.
Honda started using 'low-tension' oil rings on their pistons to try to get a bit more mpg out of their engines, so now when fuel spray from the injectors hits the walls of the combustion chamber, the 'weak' piston rings allow some of this gasoline to flow past the piston rings and into the oil pan. You now have to change your oil every 2,000 miles / 1,500 kms.
Ha! Good for you! Such a shame. I was a honda guy for years. Now I wouldn't dare. Best of luck! -Brad
I am looking at 2014 awd honda crosstour with a earth dream technology motor.. do these have that problem????
Hi Johnathan! If you are looking at a car without a turbo or direct injection then you should be just fine. That is, the V6s are not turbo so you will not have this problem. Good luck! And thank you for watching and commenting! -Brad
Hi brad I have a 2017 civic hatch sport and I recently got the oil dilution done up in a delearship or a product update and now my car sometime it would sound like it would stall or the engine is struggle specially when it’s on idle or reverse what do u suggestion I should do. It has 90000km on it. Is there. Any warranty that I can go after or any suggestion?
Not good enough from honda. They never fixed the problem but instead swept it under the rug. They lost a lot of potential customers.
Hey ThatKidSON. I completely agree. It seems they have done next to nothing to actually solve the problem.
Unfortunately, it is still a very famous brand and there is no big broadcast about this problem, it won't affect its sale much.
That’s why I bought my 2020 Civic Sport Sedan with a manual transmission and the 2.0L K20C2 naturally aspirated port injected motor.
Bulletproof reliable and no oil dilution issues.
Not a fan of direct injected turbo motors or CVT transmissions at all.
@@bretthansen8166 I got a 2020 Civic LX in November 2020 because it's a 2.0L non-turbo. It's got a CVT though. I hope it holds up. It had 5 (five) miles on it when I bought it and only has 775 as of today because I still drive my 1998 Civic LX most of the time.
@@Mike-nf6nf I just bought a 2019 civic lx 2.0 cvt and I’m hoping to get 200k miles out of it easy. I also own a 2014 Honda Accord lx with cvt it now has 142k miles and cvt shifts like it’s new. They have perfected it even more since the 2014 model just change your fluid on time.
Small, direct-injection + turbocharged engines are great for power and fuel economy. They help manufacturers meet ever-stricter EPA fuel economy standards, but for the '22 Civic I intend to buy, I'm interested in the less-powerful, port-injected 2.0 engine for its simplicity, lower-cost maintenance and repair, and long-term durability. I just need to avoid driving the 1.5 Turbo, first.
what about 1.5L non turbo direct injection ones? are they bad?
@@salmanhosain35 ..Stay away from the 1.5 engines
@@salmanhosain35 dont let all these fear mongers scare you. They probably dont even own one of these vehicles. If you keep it maintained well and check/ change your oil regularly you will be fine with 1.5T
I think staying away from 1.5 is good advice until the problem is solved for good.
To even think k that it's a cold weather issue, tells you the problem is BAD.
I'm trying to research this yet dealers are still deceiving customers.
If fuel is still being introduced into the oils system is truly unacceptable
@@commoncents456 I know a Civic and a CRV driver here in Malaysia, a very hot country, who have the same issues. They both drive their cars very, very slowly and carefully. As the Civic owner said, he cannot use the performance as he needs the car for work and doesn't want any more problems
2019 Honda Civic sport 1.5 L Turbo definitely fuel in the oil they have not fixed the issue I dumped the car before the economy takes a really strong decline didn't lose much glad it's gone it was fun but the fuel dilution is there
No, IT isn't fixed...
The redesigned 2022 Civic will be at dealers shortly and from what I gather the 1.5 turbo will be used in most of the trims. Probably the base LX and Sport will have the currently used 2.0 normally aspirated port injected engine. The "kids" will want the Type R with the turbo which is fine but the most reliable and long lasting engine will probably prove to be the 2.0 MPI which is used in the current generation Civic LX and Sport trims. Now if they can do something with the damn big ugly Accord I might be interested but I gotta say if I spent 30-35K on a new Honda with the 1.5T and smelled gas in the oil I would be rippin mad!
I wanted a reliable daily driver so I bought a 2020 Civic Sport Sedan with the manual transmission and K20C2 2.0l naturally aspirated port injected motor.
I know now that it’s the LAST ever naturally aspirated civic that will be available with a manual transmission. Glad I bought it when I did, it’s extremely reliable 👍🏻
I have a 2021 Civic Hatchback Sport and it comes with the 1.5L Turbo engine. I wish it was port-injected, and I don't really need the Turbo, but oh well. I'll ride this thing until it dies in about 10 or so years.
All these little fixes don't actually fix the problem from my understanding. Long-term, gas in your oil spells premature internal engine wear and shorter engine lifespan as a result. I suspect in the future we're going to see tons of reports of people experiencing total engine failure way sooner than anticipated with this engine and a lot of ticked-off Honda owners who don't know why they paid a premium to buy a Honda.
It's definitely the piston rings. This problem is unfixable. You need engine rebuild. New pistons with different rings.
LOL
From what I have researched, it doesn't happen at operating temperature so a software fix allows the engine to quickly get up to operating temperature. Any turbo engine will have oil dilution from what I understand
@@commandertaco1762 Bullsh!t.
Engine’s garbage - avoid Honda 4 banger turbocharged engines at all costs.
I agree.. they need to redesign the engine to use thicker oil @ tighter clearance and stronger piston rings to counter this problem. Better wait till the engineers really sort it out. For now dont buy hondas with di n turbo. That will make them listen n get back to the drawing board.
I just took my new 2020 Honda Accord Sport 1.5 to the dealer for this issue. It only took 1700 miles from purchasing the car 3 months ago to get the car down to 15% oil life. The oil level was high and the oil smells like gas. The dealership told me there is nothing wrong with my car it’s the way I drive it. These motors are not being recalled and so the problem continues.
Unbelievable. I'm sorry to hear that Jack. I hope they smarten up. Please let me know how the car treats you. Thanks for the input!
2017 Civic 1.5 Turbo here. Just got my oil change 300km ago and i still smell gas on the dipstick. so this has nothing to do with early oil changes. Also my mechanic noticed oil leaking from engine. Anyone else here had the same small oil leak problem here?
My local dealership claims to have done the computer reprogram to stop the dilution situation I claim that I was having. I change my own oil and filter. Owners manual says that oil and filter change is 3.7 Qts. I just changed the oil over the weekend and made a mark on the side of a 5 qt jug at the 3.7 qt mark. I drained the dirty oil into a catch basin and then put in the 3.7 quarts of new clean oil. Then, in order to recycle the dirty oil, I emptied that dirty oil from the catch basin into the vary same jug with the mark on the side. What did I get? I got 4.2 quarts of dirty oil (and I am assuming unburned gasoline) in that jug. So, my wife was driving around with 1/2 quart of gas sloshing around in her crank case at the time of the oil change? Total time between oil change was 4.5 months and 5500 miles
I was looking into getting the CRV Touring 2020. This is making me change my mind. Im currently owner of a 2013 Honda accord and love it. Urrrgghh this sucks..
Awe. Best of luck with whatever you end up with! Thank you for watching and commenting! -Brad
@@BradOnCars Hey Brad I ended up purchasing the 2020 Acura RDX with tech package. I wanted to stay within the Family. Very pleased so far!!
@@andrea40smith Hey Andrea! Oh that's cool! Thanks for letting me know! All the best with it! -Brad
Get older version very good
didn't happen to my civic at all. not even a little.
I’m glad I have a Toyota
So if Honda was aware of this problem and still allowed the engines to go out into the cars and eventually blow up, class action lawsuit when? I mean doesn't this fit the bill for a class action lawsuit?
You would think so. I mean look at Hyundai with their Theda 2 engine issues. They're STILL replacing engines.
My 2018 Honda Civic takes 3.79 L of engine oil and I D oil changed and came 5.80L off. The smell of gas and oil together it’s terrible and it’s just a disgrace I hate my Car... Oil diluted....
I have a 2018 Clarity with 10.000 miles ,I sent an oil sample to a laboratory and the results came back as an abnormal level of gas in the oil . Contacted Honda corporate office and I was told there is nothing can be done , however Honda has issued extended warranties to 2017 & 2018 CRVs as well as 2016 to 2018 CIVICs with the 1.5 L earth dreams technology motor same as the Clarity . In additin to that Consumer reports has raised cocerns about the durability of the 1.5 L engine and the vehicles potentially stalling .
You know if you just watch straight up review videos they don’t mention this. I came from a 2012 Subaru with 138k miles that needed an engine rebuild. The thing guzzled oil like a sailor guzzles rum. That being said, I had oil change completed two weeks earlier and so it likely was the repair places fault...still so I go back to Honda and I buy a 2021 base model CRV and this base model comes with the Turbo engine. So I guess I see how it goes and trade it in, before the 60k mile warranty goes? Car seems great. Engine can pick up and go way faster than my Subaru did, way more fun to drive in that aspect. I doubt it will handle off road as well, but I really shouldn’t be going off road and likely won’t with the Honda.
terminal design flaw
A year and a half ago I looked at a brand new 2019 Honda Civic Sport hatchback with the 1.5 liter engine. I almost bought it until I heard about the blow by issues. I live in one of the states that was affected by the service bulletins (Massachusetts). Honda extended the powertrain warranty but they never formally issued a recall like they should’ve. The so called software “fix” that was supposed to resolve the issues never worked-there are still ongoing class action suits involving this engine.
Hey Marques Dean. Such a shame hey. They make such a great car otherwise! But I have a hard time forgiving them for not doing more for their customers. I'm otherwise a huge proponent of them but not with this challenge. Best of luck to you, and thank you for watching and commenting! -Brad
i had the hatch and the car warmed up fast. nice car but i didnt hold on to it.
My 2021 CRV has the oil dilution problem confirmed by my dealer. So this can still be an issue. Just sharing my experience. 6900 miles on it. Yes I live in a colder climate, Northern WI.
Hey Parnell. Ugh. Sorry to hear it is still an issue. Several other folks have mentioned it recently also. One gentleman has a 2022 CRV and still a major problem. I hope Honda treats you ok about it. I will likely make another video on it just to keep awareness up. I was a honda guy for years. Such a shame. Best of luck to you, -Brad
If I had one, I'd change the oil and filter every 3000 miles and ignore the Oil life remaining gauge.
You think that would help? I have a 2020 1.5 but I’ve only got 3700 on it..got my oil changed at like 2500
seems the solution is more frequent oil changes, so the oil doesn't have a chance to become diluted. Perhaps every 5k instead of 7-8k or whatever. Can someone explain the issue with this to me other than cost? For 200,000 miles, every 5k averaging $40 per change, that's $1,600 instead of $800. So you're essentially adding 800 bucks to the initial cost of the car. No big deal. What IS more concerning is the turbo. Does anyone really expect a turbo 1.5L to last 200k miles? Meanwhile, Camry's "new" (2018) 8-speed auto isn't the smoothest thing out there and gives me reason for concern. Worst time to buy a current-gen Honda/Toyota.. and my 2015 Accord was totaled last week. I'd buy another one (and upgrade the RSB), but it has 4-star front and front/side driver/passenger on the crash test, as opposed to 5-star on current-gen Accord/Camry. After being in a hit and run, the stars mean a little more to me now.
2019 civic hatchback purchased last year experiencing these problems now Honda is not helping
Sorry to hear it MK. So very unfortunate. I hope they change their tune. Best of luck my friend.
Change the engine oil often and it'll counter and prevent engine damage.
Change you oi more ofen, and treat yourself give it a good beating everytime you can...
This engine will not last 150K miles anyways, so you have time to make plans to trade it in somewhere.
I have a Sport Coupe 2020 black 6 speed manual with the K20C2 2.0L twincam iVtec engine and it's a much better engine.
Sounds a lot better, and with a tune and intake will pull just as hard as a stock turbo...but it will do it for 200K miles and beyond with
just the bas oil changes.
@Aty's Bike Garage no it's a manual coupe...6MT...tha best
@Aty's Bike Garage They come with it but it’s an option. Stay away from CVT Transmission.
No Honda is no longer reliable cars maker due to Honda do not want to fixed their issues. I bought a brand new 2017 CRV & I have the oil dilution on the first 3 months and Honda trying to install me until the lemon law expired. Today the issue still not fixed. I sent my oil to a ind lab multiple times & they averaged at 3.9 - 4.2 % of gas mixed with the oil, each times I took to Honda dealership & z as li they do is said softwares updated but never fixed therefore I am going trade to a Toyota RAV4 soon
Ugh. Sorry to hear about this Meng. Such a shame they are not treating you better. Thank you for letting me know your story. I wish you luck! -Brad
Wanna buy the 2017/2018 crv. But due to this problem and the air conditioning. Am setting my eyes on highlander...
As much as I love Honda, I think you are making a good choice to go with the Toyota. Best of luck with your choice! Thanks for watching! -Brad
Thanks Brad. A pretty big disappointment for my wife and I who were looking to buy a used 2019 crv.
It's such a shame! Honda otherwise makes good cars! I'm glad you didn't buy before you found out. Best of luck to you both! And thank you for watching/commenting! -Brad
Back again. Still no issues. I switched to castrol only. Stopped using honda filters since discovering fram makes them. I use baldwin filters, Purolator boss, and FULL, oil filters. I also recommend changing the pcv valve every 25k.
Does the 21/22 1.5t accord have oil dilution issues I know the 18/20 had oil dilution issues
I’m sure your s2k will be happy to hear that Honda is making replacement parts available for the s2k. 😂
Ha! It is! I'll need a few - it's apart for a clutch at the moment. Hope you're doing well Rajkiran! -Brad
So are they saying that as long as the engine warms up properly that there's o problem?
Hopefully this doesnt affect the accords. I just got a 2022 sport accord 1.5….
It’s the same engine
But I’m waiting on an ex to come in this month so I’m in the same boat as you
nope. My oil dilution problem not fixed on my 2020 Honda Sport 1.5t. Oil and gas is up to very top edge of orange plastic on dipstick. Maybe at least 1/4 inch to high. I drive several 5 to 10 mile long trips a day. I drive like a teenage maniac. So what they say about problem being solved by driving harder to warm up engine faster seems to be not accurate. I also live down south in Louisiana. So Global warming does not solve problem either. May try heavier weight oil as I have seen on a youtube video where guy said that worked for him on his 1.5t.
My family just bought one I'm pissed I didn't check on them what they buy should have advise them to buy a rav4 instead
Ugh I was getting really close to pulling the trigger on a 10th gen SI but it's looking like that would be asking for trouble. I'm in Canada as well and even though some of my drives may be longer some might not be and I should be able to drive a new vehicle for any duration without having to worry about it. Real shame too as it was my favorite car so far and the similar performance competitors like Kia Forte gt and Elantra GT n line I think also have a turbo and GDI; and no LSD. Ugh I'll probably end up with a boring Corolla hatch or something.. maybe I'll just talk myself into a type r..
Hey MySonicDragon! So did you go for the Type R? K motors are awesome... ;) Sorry for the delay in reply. Thanks for watching and commenting! Best of luck with your choice! PS I'm in Canada also!
Have you checked out a Hyundai Veloster N?
Honda used to make great cars. I was looking to buy a 10th gen hatchback but after intense research I decided not to because of this oil dilution issue.
Do you know if they fixed this issue on the 11th gen hatchbacks? I still need to do research on those but I heard they fixed the issue with those
My 2018 Honda Accord 1.5T CVT had an oil leak at 28,000 miles. This was 1 month before my factory 5YR/50,000 mile power train warranty expired. Honda dealer told me they wanted to wait and watch the problem. I told them they’re going to fix it because my warranty expires in a month. They added “Hondabond” to “seal it up”. I’m done with Honda after this Accord.
I remember having a 2018 CRV with the oil dilution problem. My car on the inside smelled like gasoline and so did the garage. This problem is unacceptable and Honda has done very little to fix the problem. I won't buy a Honda again.
Bought my 2020 CR-V on 5/27/20. I now have 5100 miles and gas in the oil!
How can you tell?
My friends 16 crv blew up with 90k miles. Bottom end knock😢 . After his 3rd one he listened to me and got a new rav-4
The problem also happens with the 2.0t I hope honda goes bankrupt over this because in 2 or 3 years when all these earth dream motors fail honda is gunna be faced with either big settlement to everyone who owns one or replacement of millions of motors witch I doubt they will do
Why is Honda putting 1.5 Turbo engines in the (2022-2024) Civic Touring if they're not good engines??
I own a 2018 Civic 1.5 l turbo model. I first became suspicious my car was affected buy this issue after reading the bulletin notification that a whirling noise was indicative of the oil dilution problem. the car was taken in to the dealership to address this. The dealership applied the software update, however the whirling noise still exists. I furthermore observed that the whirling noise seems to occur when the air conditioner engauges when the engine is cold. I live in Minnesota. My suspicions that the issue still exist with my Civic is validated by the whirling noise and Honda bulletin references that adjusting the fuel injection when running the air conditioning is related to the oil dilution issue. Also, I usually change my own oil and started to pay attention to the volume coming out of the engine. After running the oil life down to around 15%, though I don't recall the exact amount that poured out of the oil change pan, I wondered if it could have been a little higher than it should have been, this taking into consideration that some usually spills, some usually remains in the used filter as well as some clings to the engine oil pan and cylinder head even after draining the oil.
I'm a former Marine engine mechanic and have owned several Honda Civics and have an Odyssey. I expect my Hondas to last well beyond 200,000. However, am concerned about my 2018 Civic due to the oil dilution problem.
All that being said, I have observed the whirling noise on my 2017 Civic, non-turbo engine also. So, I'm not sure if either that is a good indicator or could mean the problem is more wide spread than the 1.5 turbo engine.
Hey Blake. Hmm that sucks. I too expect my Hondas to last forever. My 02 S2000 has 180 000 km on it and I only just replaced the original clutch. Other than brakes and tires it has been dead reliable. Zero issues. Honestly it's awesome.
Such a shame these new ones aren't shaping up to be the same. In the 1990s it felt like Honda could make a motor last almost forever if you changed the oil regularly.
I wish you well my friend. And I hope Honda decides to do something about this. Be safe, -Brad
I live in England, I have a 2014 1.6 idtec earth dreams crv, car has always suffered with oil dilution, have to change oil every 4 months, so it’s not just the model you stated, I will never buy another Honda as after sale are rubbish as is the car
Hey David. Sorry to hear about that. I was a honda guy for years. Such a shame what has happened to them. May you have better luck. Thank you for watching and commenting. -Brad
Does this affect the 2021 civic hatchback sport with 1.5 turbo
My son. Has 700 Miles on his 2020. Just bought 2 weeks ago. Still in break in. Says they wont do anything at dealer but will look at it monday. He says it smells really strong of gas. He wants out of the car. Swap for another. Hes upset as he traded perfect 2017 2.0 in that didnt have any issues. Hes thinking lawyer if they do not fix this 100%....Since he was not told about this prior to sale. He says upon research they said that it wasnt effecting 2019 or 20s so he jumped on it. He loves the car. But is worried. It's very strong.
Hey Robert. That is terrible. I think Honda will be in trouble with this for some time. Such a shame too, since otherwise the cars are really great.
I wish you and your son luck. Please let me know what Honda ends up doing (if anything). I hope they end up doing the right thing.
Thank you for watching and commenting! -Brad
I have a 2019 Honda CRV. I'm showing my age here. Over several decades, and before I knew about any problem with Honda CRV's, I always thought water could condense in cold engine oil and cause oil dilution. I don't even remember why I think this. I get groceries at a local Walmart three blocks away from my house. When I go to Walmart, I take the long way so that the engine is completely hot when I get there. My trip to Walmart takes longer in the winter than the summer. I seldom drive anywhere without getting the engine completely hot.
Hey Ed! With my older cars I used to do the same. Sadly it seems these Honda motors are more prone to it. I sincerely hope your CRV treats you well! Thank you for watching and commenting! -Brad
I drive one way 9 miles into town every day. In the winter it barely reaches operation temperature on the trip. My point is that it never runs at operating temperature for any length of time. Anyway it has been my experience that long trips dont help a great deal anyway.
Honda brink back the vtec, dump the turbos..
Uhh the turbo engines have vtec too 😂
Only the type R
I am problems with mine too
I have 2017 crv
I have a 2016 Civic Touring sedan with just under 64,000 miles in early 2021. I bought it used in 2018 with 9,950 miles. I've had no issues at all, oil dilution or otherwise.
Great to hear! I'm happy you aren't affected by the challenge. May it continue to treat you well! And thank you for watching and commenting! -Brad
Thats great! Do you live in a cold climate?
@@shando3333
Mid south area of the U.S. It gets fairly cold in the winter months temperature wise (20-30 degrees on average), but not much snow.
Turbos aren't designed to run regular gas. They need a mid or premium fuel
I run 95 octane or higher.
Honda needs to go back to the egg, not just offer patches and warranties. Just stop making them until you can come up with a real solution. They're destroying their brand name.
Got that right
2019 Accord 1.5T and no problem to report. I change my own oil so I do pay attention.
That's great! I hope it lasts you a long time! Thanks for the information! -Brad
Have you noticed the smell of gasoline when you check the dipstick? I just purchased a 2021 Accord, and I can smell gasoline on the dipstick.
@@bmlove81 I haven't on mine, I give the sniff test when checking the dipstick but also when changing its oil.
As a 2018 CRV owner with 75,000km on my vehicle I agree with everything you have said but let me add a couple of things. First, I read that many owners have measured the oil they have removed and found it to be a liter over filled. Be aware that when I changed my oil and put in 3.5L it was 1/2 way between low and high on the dip stick. However any time I checked the level after a dealer changes it is on the full mark. Conclusion the engine has more oil in it than recommended right after an in house change. With all the updates my oil rose from 1/2 way to full under normal summer driving. Probably not a problem but interesting. Secondly, I understand that Honda is recommending their new oil 'Honda Ultra'. Normally that is what they are using on in house changes in some places now. It has an additive in it that is supposed to help with moisture accumulation. In certain circumstances in a cold climate apparently water can accumulate in the sump and freeze starving the engine for oil at cold start. Also interesting if you do your own oil changes and feel any oil will do as long as it is 0-20 and approved. Hope that the oil dilution issue will not cause future issues. Replacement is expensive. Good luck all.
Hey D'Arcy! Thanks for the info! I appreciate the detail and first-hand experience! I really hope it turns out to be less of an issue than it already is! Thanks for watching! -Brad
I run Valvoline 0-20 in my Civic 1.5t coupe. I also always run the Lucas oil additive for modern engines. It's designed to work with engines that are gdi and have VVT etc etc. I have 26,000 miles now on my 19 Civic and haven't noticed any of this oil dilution issue. I also change my oil every 3500 miles, and use either a wix or oem filter.
This is the worst engine Honda has made and Honda is not doing due diligence to repair the problem.
I have a 19 ex sedan and have this issue. Luckily it leased. I will not get another Honda.
Should’ve known that 4 banger turbos always have problems.
anyone having issues with the 2019 CRVs?
2019 CR-V, 30K Miles on the motor and never made a drop of oil, never used a drop of oil. No fuel smell from the crank case, no misfiring or any other issues. The only thing I find is at every oil change (5,000 miles) the oil is very dark. I run full synthetic oil and never go beyond 5K between oil changes. My opinion is, the problem is either fixed or maybe just proper maintenance solves this problem.
No. 2019 1.5 Turbo still oil diluation problem. Fortunately, it is a lease.
@@richardli5530 Sorry that you got a bad one. Just did my 45K oil change and no issues at all. Do you make a lot of short trips?
@@harborcbs Most of my trips range from 35 minutes to 2 hours. I don't buy Honda's explanation. I booked this Friday to take the CRV to the dealership. I am interested in what they have to say. This might be my first and last Honda.
@@richardli5530 With long trips like that, the oil should have warmed up enough that most of the fuel should evaporate out. What did your dealership say?
Can you take any 2016 2018 civic or crv to honda canada dealer, and they will do all that even if its not affected yet?
Know someone w 23,000km on his 2018 si ..
How do you get that stuff done?
I'm sure you can call them with a VIN and they can look it up to see if it's one of the ones affected. But if it has a 1.5L turbo engine it is likely at risk. It never hurts to stop by a dealer and ask the service manager. Good luck to your buddy. Thanks for the question! -Brad
@@BradOnCars this motor as of now seems totally fine . Thx u
So I'm thinking about buying a 2017 Civic EX Hatchback with this motor. Would I be able to just send this car into the dealership and have them service this issue before it becomes an issue for me?
Christian Tauler get a 19 trust me
Hey Christian. I would ask for sure at the dealership if they would do it (and stand behind it of course). As great as the car is otherwise I would be leery of the motor. See what they say though! If they offer you an extended warranty on it that would be cool. Best of luck either way! And thank you for watching! -Brad
Youre dumber than you look. Dont buy that car. Get the base model if anything. It has the 2.0 engine.
I have a ‘17 Si Coupe. My very first car. I had the recall done as soon as I got the letter in the mail. While the car does seem to warm up a little faster, it still drops in temperature drastically if it sits and idles in climate as cool as 10 degrees or lower. Enough to blow cold air through the cabin even on full heat until I get driving. This reason (among many others) is why I store the car during the winter months. I live in Sault Ste. Marie Ontario Canada. We get as low as -40 in the winters. The motor doesn’t like to stay warm. I have absolutely no problems with it in the summer months at all and in fact, to mitigate this issue even further I’ve been told by some forums it’s good shorten the Honda recommended oil change intervals to 4500-5000km between changes, and I’m consistently checking my levels at every gas station fill up. So far I’ve had no problems with dilution.
I already have a fast weekend car and needed a new daily driver. The 1.5T issues made me very wary as I know a few people with SI’s and CRV’s with the issues to this day.
I’m well aware of the reliability of the naturally aspirated port injected Honda K20 motors however, so I purchased a brand new 2020 Civic Sport Sedan with the manual transmission and K20c2 port injected motor.
I believe it’s the most reliable way to buy a 10th Gen Civic, for long term daily use.
No CVT issues down the road as it’s a manual transmission, and port injected not direct injected so shouldn’t have any carbon buildup/oil dilution issues years from now.
Happy with my purchase, knowing now that the 2020 was the VERY LAST year ever that a Civic will have a naturally aspirated motor available with a manual gearbox makes me glad I bought it.
The new 11th gen Civics will offer the K20c2 motor as well, but will be paired with a CVT only, like the 2021 10th Gen final year ☹️
Is that the 2.0 N/A one? Sorry…just not familiar with Honda’s.
Yes sir, it’s the 2.0 NA motor 👍🏻
Can’t you get a 2022 sport with manual transmission and K20?
Yes you can get a 2022 Civic with the 2.0 K20C2 N/A engine and 6 speed manual transmission but ONLY in the hatchback model.
The only way to get a 2022 manual sedan is the Si turbo version
The dilution issue-
I know this is a small % of 700k Accords sold in the states, so chances are low.. but again, why some 1.5L Accords and not others? That's my main question. If all Accords are tuned the same, and the tuning difference is why it's not as prevalent on Accords compared to CR-Vs and some Civics, then why does it occur on some and not all 1.5L Accords?
Is this something people notice rather quickly? within the 3yr/36k warranty? (not that Honda does anything about it), perhaps the first winter?
If it takes time, some longer than others,.. why is this? Is there something mechanical that breaks down and allows this phenomenon to occur after whatever time-related process occurs? I'm aware of why the fuel mixes with the oil. I'm just trying to make sense of it. Under 200 people on car complaints and probably the same amount of people on youtube with the issue on Accords. Then there's all the people that have the issue and aren't aware, and/or don't post it online.
I'd greatly appreciate responses.
I have more confidence a slightly used 2017 Accord coupe would be more reliable near 200k miles, but I just want that B-pillar closer to my side in the rare chance I'm in a side collision. That pillar is much stronger than the door. My stupid accident has made me hyper-sensitive about safety that I'm downloading and comparing NHTSA tests. I know it's obnoxious, but I can't help but "feel safer" in the new sedan. And I won't get a 2017 sedan because it received "A" for cage and 4 stars instead of 5 on some front ratings.
Then I compare the chances of being T-boned compared to say.. I go to floor it on the highway to get around a truck that doesn't see me .. and the turbo blows up or something.. hard to say which is more likely to happen and result in injury or fatality.
I've also read on here about the steering having issues of getting tight on long trips, the car slamming its brakes on highways, the safety sense freaking out. Again, probably 1% of all the cars may have these issues.. just don't want it to be mine and put my family at risk. Won't have to worry about any of that on a 2017.. but that B-pillar. And I assume those scary issues wouldn't happen if turning the safety tech off every time I start the car, perhaps not using ACC.
Hey Matthew. Really hey? I haven't heard that it is only with a small subset of Accords and not the rest. I'd be curious to see build dates, when subcomponentry may have been changed out (happens all the time in manufacturing).
I'm sorry to hear about your accident. I've had a few as well (including 2 big ones in the S2000), although none my fault. It does factor into my decisions about what car I want to put my family in. And so far for me the auto collision avoidance actually helped me stop before I bumped somebody at parking lot speeds. I don't have experience with it elsewhere.
Either way I wish you luck. And I hope you are fully-recovered from your accident. Please let me know if you have any other questions. And thank you again for watching and commenting. Be well, -Brad
@@BradOnCars Thanks Brad, I appreciate it! I did end up going with a 2020 Accord LX, only to learn on 20+ minute drives the seat kills my lower back, butt and a weird tingle sensation down my leg and foot.. so I need to invest in some seat covers. disappointing, but life goes on. We'll see how it does in the winter, as that's supposed to be when the worst oil issues occur.
You're absolutely right; the problem isn't fixed. I bought a 2021 CRV 1.5 and at 5k miles the oil level was 13mm (1/2 inch) above the full mark on the dipstick after having checked the oil level at full when cold, when the car wa brand new. There is also a strong gasoling smell in the cabin when driving. The software and other changes made to fix the problem on the 2017 and 2018 models were a band aid that didn't stick. I'll be going back to Toyota for my next new car purchase.
Didn't you have a choice to get one with a 2.0L naturally aspirated engine, like the one in my 2019 Civic LX?
Given the Toyota oil-burning problem, I've reconsidered. I'd rather have Honda's oil dilution problem:
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@@billschomburg6853 I think Honda only offers the 1.5 turbo in the 2021 CRV.
Is this a problem for Honda Ridgeline 2020 3.5 liter engine?
Hey Kory! From what I can tell no it isn't so you should be fine. Just the turbo direct-injection motors. Specific to the architecture of this motor and its family. Good luck! And thanks for the comment! -Brad
I have a 2019 crv 1.5 with 18K miles. No oil dilution problems but I'm in california and do long trips. If you want your car to warm up fast, just start with shifter in S (sport) mode. That will give you 500-600 more revs/mph. Mine warms up very fast when I do this in winter. But if you put it in eco mode it will take forever to warm up.
Hey Parmijo! Thanks for the wisdom. I'm happy your CRV is working well! Best of luck with it! Thank you for watching and commenting! -Brad
I’m looking at a 2017 Honda Civic with a 2.0 L I-4 cylinder Earth Dreams engine. Does this car still have the same problem as the turbocharged ones?
Hey Dennis! From what I can tell it is not subject to it at all. And as far as I know it isn't even direct-injected. Therefore you should be in the clear! Be sure to get the usual used car info (PPI, Carfax, etc.) of course. Best of luck! And thank you for watching and commenting! -Brad
@@BradOnCars Thanks for the super fast reply! I appreciate your help! :)
Hey Brad
The problem in not detected in gulf countries and I’m thinking of buying one !
Any advice ?
My 2017 CR-V oil rises to top of dipstick within 1500 miles, living in
southern California (zero days of freezing weather). Warranty was
extended by Honda to 6 years and unlimited miles if your cams wear out
via class action suit, it seems. Hate to be person who owns my used CR-V after
that.
Wish I knew the reason...I suspect bit of leakage past injectors
into cylinders each time after engine is turned off. Maybe leak at camshaft connection to high pressure fuel pump? Others say Low Speed Pre-Injection is prevented by excessive fuel injection when engine
is cold, but how could that be unburned?
Best of luck Tom! Yeah I completely agree; I expect far more than just 6 years out of the life of an engine from new. That's 72 000 miles at industry standard. Should be at least double that.
Best of luck with it. And thank you for your support. -Brad
Scotty Kilmer has said that GDIs are fine and turbo-charged engines are fine but NOT BOTH in one car.
#savagescotty
Scotty is usually spot on in his videos. In fact the reason I watched this video was because of Scottys video on the same issue.If I'm understanding this correctly apparently it affects ONLY the turbo engines and not the normally aspirated Dream Works engine that is in my 206 Civic Coupe. (breathing a small sigh of relief).
Try dealing with Honda Canada ? Impossible. Loyal clients are not recognized.
Hey man. That sucks. I hope you have better luck with them in future. Thanks for watching and commenting nonetheless. All the best -Brad
Is this the same 1.5t that's in the Accord? If you mentioned it in this video, then I missed it because I'm working while I'm listening to you. :)
Hey Mike! Thanks for watching/listening! From what I understand the Accord also uses the L15B7 Turbo motor (link here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_L_engine), so yes it is the same engine in both cars. Sadly. As I keep saying it's such a shame; great cars, otherwise great motors. Keep the questions coming as you have them! And thanks again! -Brad
Yes it’s the same engine and I have a 2020 Accord that has this issue.
Definitely not fixed. I have a 2020 RDX with the 2.0L. First two years, didn't notice any issues. This winter (2022-2023) I found a massive rise in oil level. At least an extra litre of oil volume when I drained it. Dealer handwaved it away (normal they said). 34,000 km. I think quarterly oil changes are going to be required to be safe. Concerned the engine already has advanced wear. Honda/Acura seems to just letting the problem go. I know all sorts of turbo DI engines can have this issue, but Honda's is the most extreme. Long for the days of NA V6s. Enough turbo terror.
Honda is gaslighting the public. I have a family member that works for Honda and they will not buy a Honda turbo charged car. We presently have a 2.0 L standard naturally aspirated engine, the best engine they ever made. We will never buy a turbo charged car for a daily driver ever. We also have a BMW that is turbo charged and it has a very very slight oil dilution issue not bad but Honda is the worst. We both had Honda Civic and CRV and both had the issue, can you imagine driving up to 3 to 5000 miles on oil that’s so thin that barely covers the metal inside the engine whole family is car conscious and mostly in the car business and we won’t touch the turbo charged engine from Honda ever again. From what I understand the 1.5 will be slowly phased out to make a way for the 2.0 turbo, but Honda needs to change the piston rings and the warm-up algorithm. I would say the only reason our way that they could fix this is put a heater in the oil pan to vaporize to gas and regenerate it through the engine.
Does this happen in the 2.0?
I do not believe it's an issue on the K-series engines (just the "LB15B7s"). However direct-injected, turbo'd motors can be prone to the same challenge I understand. Such a shame; otherwise they are all amazing motors. Thanks for watching and the question! -Brad
Nice video
As a “driving life long” Honda owner;
Honda decided to join the rest of the gang by going to a tiny motor that is turbo charged and is now paying the price
Even if there was no oil dilution issues I would not buy one of these motors as these motors work sooooo hard that good luck getting a long life out of them….All in the name of getting an extra mile or two or three in the MPG numbers
Very sorry to see Honda having gone this route
If I understand the car correctly and what I've learned from oil dilution ... once a week drive in HV mode to force the ICE to run for about 30 minutes or so. Short trips means the chamber temps don't get high enough to burn off the contaminants in the oil (fuel, water). It is a problem for ALL ICEs, just newer car tolerances when cold allow blow by, heat burns it off. A corolla will do this as much as a mazda rotary or a dodge demon.
Technology CHANGES over time; comparing a new motor to old motors does not work at all. Look into the differences in the oil, piston rings, etc. engineering of a new design engine vs one from 2000. You have to care for them a bit more, understand them a bit more. We drive vehicles that could kill people if we are distracted for a few moments, that carry explosive fuel and or highly flammable batteries that cannot be put out with water and go up really fast because they have their own oxygen source and burn so hot. But people don't understand almost ANYTHING about these 10s of thousands of dollar death machines.
I LOVE CARS. I don't expect everyone to learn the intricacies of a mazda rotary when they buy it, but I would expect them to take personal responsibility if they don't check the oil, use the wrong oil, don't keep up with ignition health, spark plugs, use the wrong fuel, etc etc instead of blaming mazda and the wankel because they are ignorant, oblivious fools who spent 30k on a car and didn't give even half a -fuck- to research anything about caring for it.
So now we have high technology designed vehicles. The tolerances are tighter but there is blowby at cold temperatures because the metals expand when they get hot, and until it gets to full temperature, there is high chance for fuel to pass by. Then, if you don't take a decent drive using even a minimum amount of fuel so the oil can get up to full temp as well as all the parts to allow the heat of the process to burn off the stuff that gets by at start up and cold operation.
I will stop here; but I could give a several page report on how to properly care for a rotary; I've had 5 of them and not one bad engine. I just gave enough of a -shit- about my vehicles to learn how to make them last.
Imagine if a factory ignored preventative maintenance and basic operating instructions from the manufacturer for the proper operation of the product and its long term reliability ... they would not get warrantied and they would have machines that fail regularly. I've worked in factories that shut down line on a regular basis (weekly); lines that make millions a day worth of product getting shut down for 8+ hours for deep cleaning, lubricating, replacing/refreshing high wear parts (blades, etc.) and generally throwing away a quarter million dollars worth of product to make sure the line runs consistently the rest of the time.
Now think of how many people don't pay attention to 'time or distance, whichever comes FIRST' ... I know someone that regularly goes 20k OVER their oil change intervals, they didn't change their diff fluid because they forgot and that fluid has 130k on it now, the tranny is 15k over due for its 2nd change. This person is a fucking lead engineer in a company and can't bother to take care of a 36k car with maintenance that costs hundreds; and they will be spending thousands to fix that drivetrain; they still owe over 20k on the car.
So, from what I've read, watched in person, and general understanding; the design doesn't work with how portions of the public use the vehicles. The person in TX with the issue might just use the car to go to a store less than 5 miles away with minimal traffic, low speed, etc. Spends 30-60 minutes in the place, any heat in the engine is starting to fade, drives back home and is done for the day; repeat that for a year and skip the time based oil change interval and now you have a very gasoline smelling oil that is above the full line. It is a completely realistic supposition to make about how it happened in a warm state. It happens in Australia all the time. I've watched a car channel from there talk about it quite a bit.
Thank you if you read this all. I'm stopping because people don't like a bunch of words, reading is tiring I suppose :p have a great day/life.
When does this start to happen? I'm at 26,000 Miles now on my 2019 Civic ex-t coupe. I haven't noticed any gas smell, or any extra oil. I check it often, and change it every 3500 miles. I also should add I only use 91 or 93 octane. I've gotten crap for that from people, but after almost a year of owning it from 10,000 Miles I notice a big difference in performance and feel of the engine. Everyone says it's impossible, the car was designed around 87 octane. I just know with my car it feels and just seems better with higher octane.
Awesome video, thank you for this information! I was going to buy the 2020 Si coupe since they’re discontinuing it, but the engine is much more important to me than the amount of doors and style, so I will forgo the 2020 and wait a couple years after the new gen comes out! Thanks for saving me the headache and heartache!
Hey Ricky! Yeah it sucks hey. Such a great car otherwise! But smart move. I know personally I wouldn't want to take the risk, given there are alternatives that (presumably) do not have any challenges. Best of luck! Let me know what you end up with! And thank you for watching and commenting! -Brad
Brad On Cars hey Brad. My buddy has a 2019 civic si, it’s got an intake, and a catless down pipe. It’s tuned pretty aggressively, I think his motor is at great risk of oil dilution and being out of warranty because of the modifications
@@samw Shit won’t last 150k miles. N/A is the way to go.
@@FD-rh6tr I was going to get the 2020 civic LX back September 2020 but ended up with 2020 corolla LE for a variety of reasons.
Big fail shoulda got what you wanted. those coupes are very sought after now since they wont be making them anymore.
Mine seized and died at 38000 miles. New block and turbo needed. Under warranty but it was a fight. 1.0l wet belt
My 2018 issue had this problem on day 1. The fix didn’t solve it. Oil level goes 1 inch over the max fill line. I’ve removed from time to time half a quart of oil but the level still goes over an inch after a while.
I agree I have a 2019 Honda Accord Sport just reached 75,ooo miles and even after the recall I smell the fuel on the dipstick oil cap not so much in the cabin yet
Any 1.5 engine with Turbo is required a LSPI engine oil . 5w30
Purchased a 2020 CRV with this engine. I’m now really worried about problem. What can I do to prevent it or notice it when it happens? Please help! Thanks for the video
Hi Elyse! The very best thing you can do is to keep your service schedule with the dealer. Ordinarily I don't like how pricey they can be for simple things like oil changes, etc., but in this case if you follow their service plan then you cannot be responsible for any failures.
This way if the problem does arise you have documented service history that they cannot argue.
Also I recommend doing an extra oil change in between the service intervals, as frequent oil changes are the best way to minimize the problem.
Good luck! Please let me know how you make out! Honda makes such excellent cars otherwise!
And thank you for watching! -Brad
change the oil every 5000km
warm the car up in cold wheather
@@luke4701 every vehicle should be allowed to warm up in cold weather.
I heard that there is an issue of head gasket blowing on the Honda 1.5 turbo engine.
What about the 1.5L Accords?
I’d stay away from all Honda 1.5 turbos for now. They need to recall all of them. Check out the Toyota Camry with a naturally aspirated engine. They even come in V6 and AWD.
Jose Ramirez my 1.5 Accord has been great
@@joegardner5386 8-speed auto in the Camry isn't great. I wasn't impressed during the test drive.
Honda is keeping the engine for the new generation 2023 models. Wth.
my 2020 civic Si sedan has 8,000 miles on it just got it from carvana a little over a week ago and today i smelled the dipstick and it has a very strong odor of GAS. what should i do and should i be worried?
Not a problem in Australia
That's good! It's hit a few folks I know unfortunately. All the best! -Brad
man im so confused can you just give a straight answer and what to do about it?
I'd love to, but the jury is still out as to whether the "fix" is actually a fix. Not enough data to make a decision. I was just trying to share what actual owners have told me. Truthfully I would stay away from them. Which sucks, because they are great cars otherwise! Or go for the Type R - it's a K-series motor not the L15!
I really want to know if the 2018+ civics still have this problem because I want a hatchback. But if it’s still going on I’ll just get an EX
From what I read from forums and r/civic the software update seems to fix the problem.
It's also under recall, so it's covered by dealer
Interesting. I had a 2017 Civic with the 1.5T. After the recall service the engine did heat up faster. I haven’t heard many reports on the CivicX forum of engines failing because of dilution. I’ve heard of some CRVs going into limp mode. That engine was excellent though, 42 mpg hwy and 170 hp from an engine with the displacement of about 4 pop cans. I never had the oil dilution problem btw even though I’d drive the car to work through Sask. winters. My commutes were short and the motor would barely heat up by the time I was back home. But my regular hwy miles probably burnt off any dilution.
Good to hear! Such a great motor otherwise! I'm happy yours didn't give you grief!
So they did fix the issues.
Does the civic type R 2020 has this problem?
Hey M.! No it does not! The Type R is a K-series engine; only (apparently) the L15B7 engines have the issue.
Good job Brad as usual
Thanks my friend! Hope all is well with you and the family!
@@BradOnCars Thank you, everyone is doing well, thanks, hoping you and your family are also doing well :-)
hi, i am going to buy 1.5 accord EX-L in 2 days, whats your suggestion ? is this problem has been fixed in 2022?
Hi Mirza! Unfortunately I would still shy away from them. I am not aware of any evidence it has been completely solved. Best of luck no matter what!
i have a 2020 touring crv it has auto start. can start the car from the house and warm it up for 5 minutes. will this help, live in ontario 28 km to work
Hey Luke! Thanks for the question. In my opinion (and that's all it is) I suspect the more you warm the motor up the better it will help to minimize the oil dilution. More heat should = less unburned fuel.
So warm it up for a couple of minutes before you jump in and make the commute. Down the 401 by chance? :P
@@BradOnCars no qew over the skyway yo joe brant hospital
wife is essential
@@luke4701 Ah! Just a guess. I'm in TO a lot for work (or I was pre-COVID). Be safe! And best of luck with the CRV!
@@BradOnCars We are in Hamilton staying home only out for work and food
you be safe too
Not worried about the CRV my buddy is a honda tec he says its a good car dont worry about the oil dil. its an internet over blow
this is my forth honda car, 2 motorcycles, lawn mower and a snow blower
I have Dream works Honda Accord. How would I know that I have this problem? Thank you
driveaccord.net has forums that could be helpful. i think checking the oil level over the duration between oil changes.. if it goes up substantially, plus smells of gas, then it's probably happening. The recommendation is to do oil changes more frequently, not going over 5k.. this prevents the oil from becoming too diluted.
I just took my new 2020 Honda Accord Sport 1.5 to the dealer for this issue. Yes your oil life will diminish quickly. Mine only took 1700 miles from purchasing the car 3 months ago to get the car down to 15% oil life. The oil level was high and the oil smells like gas.
Did they fix it or fake it
Does the European has the same problem?? The 1.0L turbo?
the 1.0l has other problems if im not wrong.