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Drive it more and for longer distances to allow the engine to get to OP temp and it will burn off the excess like normal, some light dilution is normal and if you send your oil out it will show that its still able to lube the engine normally without any long term issues. I have seen these engines come in with a low oil condition so it can go both ways. Not ideal but adjusting the interval to the individual customer is the way to address it. Good tips.
It is so easy to avoid dilution. I just got rid of my 2018 6 speed 1.5T accord for a brand new Si, put 154,000 on the car (pretty much all freeway mileage) changed the oil every 50% oil life, let the car idle a minute or 3 before use, and drive distances so the engine can fully warm up, that’s it.
One underappreciated cause of oil dilution is ethanol fuel. Ethanol oxidises (forms aldehydes) and then polymerises to form a sludge which gums up your rings and is very hard to remove 🙂
Thanks big dog, best tip yet - sadly, don't buy 1.5 l engine from Honda. If Mr. Honda was alive today he would have never released that engine & sent it back to the engineers!
Whether we're talking Hondas, or any other brand out there, it looks for all the world to me like GDI was an "evolutionary step" that didn't need doing. Any gains are superficial, in exchange for long-term engine cleanliness, wear protection, and smooth operation. I'll keep plugging along in my '98 Civic with spotlessly clean intake ports. :)
@@daviderhahon I've seen countless auto repair videos on YT where a VW, Audi, etc. has to have its intake ports cleaned of all the "coke" buildup. Such an unnecessary mess. Mechanical "evolution" in reverse, lol. In their efforts to chase the last bit of emissions reductions, engineers end up making things worse.
@@NGH99999 Exactly. I think it's some form of deceit; in my opinion. They talk about reducing the carbon footprint but in reality, the carbon is simply accumulated in the engine to be dosposed of much later; and in a more stressful way.
I thought this was only a problem with engines taking too long to warm up in cold climates, but apparently not. There was a class action law suit for this in Canada. It was settled with nothing more coming out of it than an affirmation of an extended warranty that already existed and a requirement for Honda to cover certain past expenses related to the issue, e.g. diagnostic fees. The fact that it settled makes it appear as if the lawyers didn't feel they were going to win if it went to court. P.s. people in Canada also complain that the CR-V won't warm the cabin sufficiently in winter. It seems the engine is so small and efficient that just doesn't produce enough waste heat for the bigger CR-V cabin.
Some vehicles have variable vents in front of the radiator to help retain heat in the winter. The more developed version of a pizza box blocking the radiator.
Other manufacturers of turbo DI engines don't have this problem though. My Audi RS3 has no fuel dilution but my 2020 Acura RDX does. Driven in identical cold Canadian conditions.
I read that Honda pressurizes that stream of gasoline being directly injected into your piston to 2000 PSI or even higher. That is a big part of the problem.
They need to do a recall on these. I bought the extended warranty on mine in 2017, but they tell me that its all normal and I'm covered until 2027. If their not willing to fix it, what's the big deal of the warranty? At 60 dollars an oil change, maybe the fix would be, having Honda pay for all oil changes for original owners. We like our car, but this is worrisome to me.
My 2018 Civic EXT, CVT with the 1.5 liter turbo (bought new): After exactly four years and four months and 121,900 miles, I haven’t experienced any oil dilution symptoms. However, I don’t take any chances. I change the oil/filter at 3,800-4,200 mile intervals. I rarely take short trips. I drive about 60% highway averaging 34.1 mpg (combined city/highway). I only use top-tier fuel. The only repair work done was the AC condenser replaced (under extended warranty) at 116,000 miles. I also replaced the water pump, drive belt, and flushed the coolant at 120,000 miles. I also replaced the PCV valve at the same time as maintenance. That’s it. The car drives as well now as when I first drove it out the dealer lot. I hope to get at least 300k miles with the original engine and transmission and turbo without repair. 🙏
How is the car holding up now? Do you think the 91/93 octane is helping? I have a 2019 Honda accord 1.5L at 68k miles. I have been doing the oil changes every 5k miles but my oil still smells like gas. I’ve been hearing people say to use sport mode to get the car hot enough to burn off the excess fuel and to use high octane gas because of something that the ECU adjusts it so it doesn’t knock? I forgot the exact wording. Any info is appreciated
@@donavanperron Rough up the dipstick with some sandpaper or an abrasive pad. The roughened surface shows the oil level a bit better. Still not good, though.
I noticed the same on 2018 Jazz GK5 1.5 without turbo. I checked the oil and it was like water, so I decided to change it. In the oil pan it was clearly smelling as petrol. Keep in mind that I use 5w30 A5/B5 and it was still as water. I moved to 5W30 A3/B4 which is not ecological oil. And I will change the oil every 5k kms. (3100miles) If it's still like water , I will move to 10w40 so I can protect the engine.
My thoughts exactly. The only way to buy a Honda is to track down their vehicles with a 2.4 naturally aspirated engine. I have a 2013 Accord and hope to have it forever. It will all depend on how long the CVT lasts.
I think in the future it might turn into a class action. Having to keep and eye in it constantly? And having to change your oil at 30% when the indicator will notify at 15%. Something definitely not right with those piston rings. It's as if they left the the piston ring gaps all on one side of the piston instead of one on one side and next on the other side and so on.
I agree that this is a problem and the rings not sealing well would definitely contribute, but where the ring gaps were left makes no difference as long as the rings aren't stuck in their grooves for whatever reason. As soon as the engine is started, the rings are going to start to rotate and you have no control over where they end up. From my understanding, the rings were intentionally designed to slowly rotate to keep the grooves clean.
That's right change the oil sooner at 30% mark. Been watching the oil level religiously. No problem with heat in the winter here in Ontario Canada. Scotty says to go with ow16. Don't think the dealer would warranty if some were to happen
Had a 2017 CRV 1.5 turbo. No short commutes but live in the colder Midwest. At 3000 miles after an oil change, the oil level would be one quart high. Reprogramming the computer with a software update didn't help. Honda extended the warranty on engine to 100,000 miles. Pathetic, I expected this engine to last 300,000 miles or more easily. I've has probably 15 Honda vehicles since 1984, with no big issues at all. Honda has lost their way in building simple, efficient, trouble-free engines and vehicles. On another topic, I also recently got rid of my Pilot with the crappy 9-speed transmission and horrible handling, numb steering and soft brakes. I am no longer a Honda customer. Honda has lost me as a repeat customer.
It’s too bad this happened with the 1.5 liter engine and Honda couldn’t fix it. I’m not a fan of the combination of direct injection, turbo and a CVT but I’ve driven one and aside from the EX model having a below par sound system it was very good (only a test drive). Sure like your shop!!
@@pineful4861 Hard to recall. It was either a 2020 or a 2021. I couldn’t tell it had a CVT but I’m not a hard driver. Note that Toyota has both port and direct injection in the 2019 RAV4 and up to address the carbon build up on the intake valves. There are a lot of complaints about how loud the new 2.5 liter engine is. Despite its early teething problems the new RAV4 is a best seller in the US and Canada.
@@BigDog50001 thank you so much for your video! I’m looking at a 2018 model with the 1.5L engine and for sure I’ll look at this before I decide my purchase.
Picked up a 2017 CRV in December 2016, with the 1.5L turbo. Started checking the oil in January 2017 and noticed dipstick level was high. Changed oil in February and after a few days the same problem. Started going on forums online and read that this was a problem Honda had in Asia & Europe with 350,000 vehicles. The problem was not solved but they still brought this engine to the US. Filed a complaint with Honda USA & they gave me a 100,000 mile or 6 year warranty. Started changing the oil every 4 months to prolong the inevitable which happened at 6 years and 45,000 miles. Needed to replace fuel injectors and clean the throttle body but that still wasn’t solving the hesitation. Needed a head gasket job. Traded it in at a Lexus dealer. Really liked the car but was angry at Honda to get another one.
The real issue is that when extracting oil with a pump from dipstick it runs the gaskets in the pump 🙄 my family MB has the same issue I just use cheap oil and do 2 changes instead of 1 , with just 1 filter change.
Looking at a used 2017 Honda CRV Touring that only comes with the 1.5t. 4cyl. It looks like the owner changed the oil every 5k miles according to Carfax. This turbo situation is definitely giving me pause. Bummed!
Well, 30% is not that bad. I change oil on my Acura MDX every 5000 miles, and minder is about 30% at that time. My bigger concern is if diluted oil is lubricating enough. By the time you change the oil, you have some 10-15% gasoline in oil.
I have a built 04 ep3 with the k20a3 and I was wondering why I smelled gas in my oil from the previous season, also was a little higher than full line since last check... Thanks for the information!
Having the same problem with the 1.6 tgdi from Kia. Bought a used one with 32.000km, after 2 months of owning it, I discovered I need a new engine because of oil dilution.
I've been lucky so far with my 2019 coupe ex-t. The oil does smell like fuel sometimes. I change my oil every 3500, use Lucas low viscosity additive. I also highly recommend changing your pcv valve sooner than later. Change them every 25k miles.
@@BigDog50001 Yes, Sir! Thanks to channels like yours, I've learned enough on how to DIY that I feel (with a few exceptions like body work, mounting tires, and such) confident enough to do everything myself. All maintenance and repairs happen on time, with quality parts, and the job is done right. My Civic is in (nearly) showroom condition, and runs like new. Gonna keep this car forever. haha
My first new car purchase was an 1998 Accord coupe. After that a 06 Odyssey and a 08 Fit. I figured after those I would always buy Honda. But in the 2012 2013 time frame Prius and Camry hybrid were way ahead of anything Honda. My next vehicle will probably have the 2.5 liter Camry hybrid drive train in some kind of station wagon (Vensa rav4 Crown lift back etc.). No turbos, no GDI without port injection, no mechanical CVTs, no drive belts, etc.
Thanks for the video, my father bought a 2022 crv . I am not sure if it has the same engine. But, it has the same problem. But, it leaves the 88 year old guy stranded. It shut down on him at a little over 1000 miles the first time. They changed the oil and it did it again.. He does take short trips but my wife and I have been running it after the first incident putting more miles on it. The dealership said you have to run it longer to burn the fuel off... which we did. I am about to call the tow truck for the second time to pick it up. it has just at 3000 miles on it. Its not a fact that there it extra oil but it leaves him stranded. He will definitely have more damage to his engine that wont be covered under warranty later. He bought a new car so he wouldn't have to worry. He would have been better off buying a subaru with 100,000 miles on it. any suggestions? I feel bad for him. his first new car in his life.
It’s the same 1.5L turbo but I have the 22’ CRV as well and I’m past 8000 miles no problems at all. Do you live in a colder environment? I live in Arizona so it’s always hot here.
I buy a Honda Accord 1.5t it did the same dealer dint do any thing I have to find the problem and I did find it been a mechanic for long time no more gas in the oil
We have a friend with an 2018 Civic Touring, same 1.5L turbo engine, and it runs hot. I told him it is most likely the fuel in his oil, so not enough lubrication, especially at the top, where the cam-shaft is. Having lill too much oil would not be that big of a deal, but when the engine is not getting lubricated, that is a situation! I never had this issue with my Accord, which has a 2.4L NA engine, No turbo..
Thank you for the info, a lot of owner would think there Honda doesn’t burn oil cause instead of dropping on dip stick it increases the amount, No Good…..
It's a shame because Honda usually build brilliant engines and it sounds on paper like a great engine good mpg and decent amount of power.I seen a honda tech saying a software update has sorted the issue but it's hard to see how thats possible and sounds like bs
hi from Alberta Canada just bought a 2022 CR-V for the wife it has 6000 km or at 50 % and I changed the oil to 5/30 full syn , that's when I change oil on any vehicle I have when on gravel roads , I told the wife if driving around town just put the gears shift one notch lower , Honda your dip sticks are so hard to read, my last Honda civic with the 1.5 didn't raise oil level at all with the 5/30 full syn .
Well this really sucks! My girlfriend just bought a 2024 Honda CRV with this engine. She's so happy I'm not going to say anything to her. She's had 3 Honda's and loves them. Her last one she gave to me. A 2012 Accord with 270k miles and it freakin runs perfect. It's had oil changes on time but thats about it. I hope it lasts.
How long was the last oil change on that car? I think today's CRV maintenance minder is based on time and distance. So it reminds an oil change every 12 months or sooner. My old Honda MM was purely based on distance only.
@@BigDog50001 Interesting. I think Honda is doing what you stated... more frequent oil changes, at least once a year per the MM now. It would not surprise me if the techs are also told to fill between the fill markers vs to the top marker... that way, there is room for more liquid. What does surprise me is that you are in AZ, which is a warmer climate. Whst I've read is oil dilution mostly impacts cars that drive short distances in colder regions. Do you know if this driver makes mosly short or shorter trips?
Great video. Do you know what is an “acceptable” % of fuel in the oil without being concerned? I have this engine and have had Blackstone analysis done that shows percentage of fuel and am wondering what percentage is concerning. Thank you
I don't think any amount of fuel in the oil is "acceptable" except the small amount that would normally get burned off. Not sure on exact percentages, but if the oil level is 1/4 quart or less above full after 5,000 or so miles I probably wouldn't think too much of it.
@@PaulNaylor3 Really great question Paul. I think it's a question Honda needs to answer; especially since they consider this situation as normal. I mean, there has to be a limit and Honda needs to let us know what that limit is.
Hey Big Dog, I have a brand new 2022 Honda Accord Sport 1.5t, what’s your recommendation on when to do your first oil change? I keep hearing different things about factory lubrication in the engine and people saying to change it when the MM says to, but I also hear to do it for the first time anywhere from 500-1500 miles? Any advice is appreciated!
Same model, I did my first oil change at 3,000 and the MM was only at 60% I believe and I believe my Honda has a dilution issue which would have me change the oil every 4,000-5,000 miles
I changed mine at 1500 miles but you are already way past this point now. My thoughtful break-in worked as I found zero oil loss over 100k miles timeframe.
Thank you for the video. Instead of doing full oil change before the regular intervals, will it possible to pull the oil/fuel mixture through the dip stick and add new oil. It will be a lot easier and quicker to do that then draining the oil from the bottom. Any thoughts on this?
True, but it really doesn't take that much longer to get the car on ramps/jack stands and drain it from the bottom, especially if you don't plan on changing the filter at the moment.
Thanks for the video. I have a 2018 Honda CRV with the 1.5L engine with 140,000km on it. It has always had a gas dilution issue. I change the oil myself. 3.6 Liters (manual) shows 1/2 between low and high on the stick. It will rise to about 1/8" over full very quickly and stay there. I always change the oil at about 8000km or 40% or so on the MM. Any suggestions on what oil brand and type is the best for this situation? No issues yet... Thanks
just anything slightly thicker than spec will even out once thinned out with light distillate fuel. I noticed sticky oil helps for some reason. Ester-based oil like Redline and LiquiMoly 0w40 Synthoil helps too.
I just bought a 2018 Honda accord sport 1.5 and I noticed it likes to burn a lot of oil and gas, just hit a deer with it tho and gotta fix it now. But gonna at least take a look cover off and see if it’s gunked up now, having it run awhile has made the car feel like it runs better
so I have a honda civic 2018 hatchback EX I'll start doing oil changes sooner .. but I've always used 87 gas. what should I be using or is there no proof that the better gas helps
Thx for sharing. Quick question. Changed Penzoil Ultra Platinum Full Synthetic 0W20 engine oil and honda filter on 2020 CRV 1.5T After that, the engine makes periodic roraing/buzzing sound. Like every 10 seconds lasts for 2 seconds. Oil fill is correct, no oil leaks under, no change in driving pattern m. Any thoughts
The best Honda I’ve owned was a 2007 Honda accord v6 ex-l Navi. I got it to 222,xxx before I decided to sell it. Worst decision I’ve made. I miss that dam car.
I got the 2016 civic with 1.5L turbo. got mine a year ago via copart and put a 20k motor in it(my mechanic did lol) Didn't realize these were GDI when I bought the car so it was a surprise for me. Changed the 1st oil since the swap, and it was overfill, I was like WTH it's more oil than when I put it in at the fill line of 3.7QTS. Smelled the dipstick and it REEKED of gas. Did a quick oil change day after and put 3.2 to create a safe area should it dilute again...3 months later and I'm right below the fill mark. Nevertheless I'm changing the oil every 3k miles now , sucks I can't put Amsoil in it or Pennzoil Ultra because it'd be a waste of money. I just go with the best economical synthetic with good additive packages like the high mileage Pennzoil or Valvoline and good filter. The filter that either the Fram Synthetic not the cheapy cardboard 3 buck one or a Wix, Mobil1 will do for a 2 oil change interval. I put molybdenum magnets on the outside of those filters , and drain it out for 30mins on a clear plastic drinking(fast food drink cup) turn it upside down. And then reuse. Since they're rated higher than 3k miles of use.
I have a 2018 Mazda cx9 2.5 turbo. Oil smells like gas. After just 2k kms half a quart is added to the oil. It uses 5w30. Would it be better if I use a heavier oil like 5w40?
Thanks I understand that Honda corrected this design flaw in later models. My friend has a 2019 CRV with the same engine. Do you know if it’s still a problem ? Thanks
Someone said sell your Honda and buy a Toyota. So I researched current Toyotas and looked at their common problems. They also have major engine issues. Every car has problems.
The biggest engine issue Toyota had was their 2007-2009 cars with the 2AZ-FE engine with oil consumption issues. But, your other statement is correct. Every make a s brand have their share of issues.
Yup, its the GF-6B oil. The brand MAG1 makes it. Its also a 0w-16. Just make sure its the GF-6B for direct injection and turbo. The New GF-6A is for non turbo direct injection non-turbo engines.
@@henryhernandez1520 Does it really fix the problem? Im looking at getting an Accord but im worried about the 1.5T however if your solution works then I won’t have to spend extra to get a 2.0T
@@henryhernandez1520 that is untrue. At least in Canada. As a Honda technician, 0W20 is the only accepted oil for any new Honda. BUT, the reason this happens is mostly due to short drives where the vehicle doesn’t fully come up to operating temperature. Until it’s up to temperature, they use excessive fuel to help produce heat, which causing the fuel to seep past the piston rings. In the case of this video, if you drive this CRV for about 10-15 miles on the freeway, 9 times out of 10 that oil level will drop because like he mentioned, it will get burnt off through the PCV system.
Coming from a Honda technician, the reason this happens is mostly due to short drives where the vehicle doesn’t fully come up to operating temperature. Until it’s up to temperature, they use excessive fuel to help produce heat, which causing the fuel to seep past the piston rings. In the case of this video, if you drive this CRV for about 10-15 miles on the freeway, 9 times out of 10 that oil level will drop because like he mentioned, it will get burnt off through the PCV system.
@@jasonlecreux1175 nope, dosent work. . 80 miles round trip all freeway, 5 days a week, in Southern California. Even in the summer, when it averages around 112 to 120 F. At 2000 miles it smells of gas, at 3000 miles, it Reeks of gas. 2022 CRV. 1.5.
I noticed oil in the combustion cylinder when I changed my spark plugs on my 2017 Civic turbo. Lol. Are the piston rings wearing out due to the dilution?
What about the accords?? Not only the crv and civics but they're saying the accords also have this problem, and what years bcuz I just bought a 2022 1.5 turbo charged accord
I have a 2018 Honda accord 1.5 l turbo when I run it with headlights off an day time the rpm’s go down like 100 down then I start to run lights on all the time and runs fine
The engine computer compensates for loads on the engine including electrical loads. I can't see what it is doing however it could be normal operation, but it is possible something else is going on or the PCM needs to relearn the idle. Keep it simple and make sure PCV, spark plugs and air filter etc are good and not overdue for maintenance. Below are some checks on the idle that can be done (usually with a scan tool or code reader that can see engine speed but you could try with just looking at gauges on dash). NO LOAD IDLE Check (2018-2022 Accords with 1.5L): After being fully warmed up (cooling fans come on twice) a 1.5L with a CVT should idle at 720 RPMs (± 50 in P or N) so there is a 100 RPM margin to be within spec (this is with NO loads on it, no lights at all, no AC, no radio, no blower etc). A manual transmission would be 100 RPMs more, 820 RPMs (± 50 in neutral). LOAD IDLE Check (2018-2022 Accords with 1.5L): After checking idle with no loads, turn on high loads (A/C on, temperature set to max cool, blower fan on high, headlights on high beam) and let it idle for 1 minute and then check idle again with loads on. After about 1 minute, the idle should be within the same specs as before: CVT should idle at 720 RPMs (± 50 in P or N), manual at 820 RPMs (± 50 in neutral) with loads on it. Remember there is a ± 50 RPM range (100 RPMs total) that would still be considered normal and within spec. If either one is out of spec typically I would start with a relearn of the idle, which involves resetting the PCM with a scan tool on that model. Hope this info helps.
A tiny bit would probably evaporate but I'm not sure that it would make a difference. The issue I see in doing this is you take a change on forgetting to reinstall the cap the next time the vehicle was driven which could be bad depending on how long it was off.
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Drive it more and for longer distances to allow the engine to get to OP temp and it will burn off the excess like normal, some light dilution is normal and if you send your oil out it will show that its still able to lube the engine normally without any long term issues. I have seen these engines come in with a low oil condition so it can go both ways. Not ideal but adjusting the interval to the individual customer is the way to address it. Good tips.
It is so easy to avoid dilution. I just got rid of my 2018 6 speed 1.5T accord for a brand new Si, put 154,000 on the car (pretty much all freeway mileage) changed the oil every 50% oil life, let the car idle a minute or 3 before use, and drive distances so the engine can fully warm up, that’s it.
One underappreciated cause of oil dilution is ethanol fuel. Ethanol oxidises (forms aldehydes) and then polymerises to form a sludge which gums up your rings and is very hard to remove
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Same, I have too much nightmares on my 2017 CRV that I have get rid off it & it cost me a lot money.
Thanks big dog, best tip yet - sadly, don't buy 1.5 l engine from Honda. If Mr. Honda was alive today he would have never released that engine & sent it back to the engineers!
I suspect he would not be happy with it!
Manufacturers have no choice.
It's all to do with the strenuous parameters of emission control laws
I own a 2025 1.5T in a civic si and I love it
Yeah, I noticed gas smell in the oil during my last oil. Guess I'll have to do a oil change every 4k miles now
I have this issue but on a saab.. trying to understand this oil dilution.hope everything gets solve to all you Honda drivers best of luck
Whether you call it a tip video or a hint video, it was helpful; as always.
Thanks
Whether we're talking Hondas, or any other brand out there, it looks for all the world to me like GDI was an "evolutionary step" that didn't need doing. Any gains are superficial, in exchange for long-term engine cleanliness, wear protection, and smooth operation.
I'll keep plugging along in my '98 Civic with spotlessly clean intake ports. :)
For Honda, they have a ways to go before they are as reliable as their older engine/fuel delivery designs.
Wherever I could make a choice, I would always choose port injection over GDI.
Always.
@@daviderhahon I've seen countless auto repair videos on YT where a VW, Audi, etc. has to have its intake ports cleaned of all the "coke" buildup. Such an unnecessary mess. Mechanical "evolution" in reverse, lol. In their efforts to chase the last bit of emissions reductions, engineers end up making things worse.
@@NGH99999
Exactly.
I think it's some form of deceit; in my opinion.
They talk about reducing the carbon footprint but in reality, the carbon is simply accumulated in the engine to be dosposed of much later; and in a more stressful way.
I thought this was only a problem with engines taking too long to warm up in cold climates, but apparently not. There was a class action law suit for this in Canada. It was settled with nothing more coming out of it than an affirmation of an extended warranty that already existed and a requirement for Honda to cover certain past expenses related to the issue, e.g. diagnostic fees. The fact that it settled makes it appear as if the lawyers didn't feel they were going to win if it went to court. P.s. people in Canada also complain that the CR-V won't warm the cabin sufficiently in winter. It seems the engine is so small and efficient that just doesn't produce enough waste heat for the bigger CR-V cabin.
Thanks for the input!
I can confirm that. Up in Toronto here and I actually saw my temp gauge go down at stop lights in February.
@@Jet_Finder My guess is that a future iteration will insulate the block or the engine compartment.
I think this is the case. I live in south Ga where its really hot but generally doesn't get that cold . So far no problems with my 2018 .
Some vehicles have variable vents in front of the radiator to help retain heat in the winter. The more developed version of a pizza box blocking the radiator.
Other manufacturers of turbo DI engines don't have this problem though. My Audi RS3 has no fuel dilution but my 2020 Acura RDX does. Driven in identical cold Canadian conditions.
Mazda does.
I read that Honda pressurizes that stream of gasoline being directly injected into your piston to 2000 PSI or even higher. That is a big part of the problem.
They need to do a recall on these. I bought the extended warranty on mine in 2017, but they tell me that its all normal and I'm covered until 2027. If their not willing to fix it, what's the big deal of the warranty? At 60 dollars an oil change, maybe the fix would be, having Honda pay for all oil changes for original owners. We like our car, but this is worrisome to me.
They will not tell you until warranty expire and it cost you much $$$
It’s funny how well respected Consumer Reports still recommends these Hondas both used and new despite this serious and unfixable problem.
I think Honda engineers know what they’re doing
My 2018 Civic EXT, CVT with the 1.5 liter turbo (bought new): After exactly four years and four months and 121,900 miles, I haven’t experienced any oil dilution symptoms. However, I don’t take any chances. I change the oil/filter at 3,800-4,200 mile intervals. I rarely take short trips. I drive about 60% highway averaging 34.1 mpg (combined city/highway). I only use top-tier fuel. The only repair work done was the AC condenser replaced (under extended warranty) at 116,000 miles. I also replaced the water pump, drive belt, and flushed the coolant at 120,000 miles. I also replaced the PCV valve at the same time as maintenance.
That’s it. The car drives as well now as when I first drove it out the dealer lot. I hope to get at least 300k miles with the original engine and transmission and turbo without repair. 🙏
Do you know if the 2017 Honda EX-L 1.5 turbo also as this problem I only thought it was the CTV but I mean there the same engine
@@wyattjorgensen9309 I believe it does. Just keep an eye
How is the car holding up now? Do you think the 91/93 octane is helping? I have a 2019 Honda accord 1.5L at 68k miles. I have been doing the oil changes every 5k miles but my oil still smells like gas. I’ve been hearing people say to use sport mode to get the car hot enough to burn off the excess fuel and to use high octane gas because of something that the ECU adjusts it so it doesn’t knock? I forgot the exact wording. Any info is appreciated
The 2.0T still has the problem. After just over 6k miles, the oil analysis showed 8.7% fuel.
wow really? thats insane
@@cloud-ny5uxand that’s after people claiming the 2.0L are better. It’s about the same, only benefit is the valves shouldn’t gunk up.
Have you noticed it is almost impossible to read the oil level using the dipstick? My 2023 RDX has an orange shiny dipstick and the oil blends in.
@@donavanperron Try roughing up the orange plastic with Scotch-Brite scouring pad or some sandpaper. That made mine a bit easier to read.
@@donavanperron Rough up the dipstick with some sandpaper or an abrasive pad. The roughened surface shows the oil level a bit better. Still not good, though.
Thank you for the video. Much appreciated. Luckily my CRV a 2014. It's a real shame what they did to these engines.
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The CR-V for 23 has a revised 1.5 and turbo. It has been said some internal parts have been changed or upgraded
Dave....any video you put is a "worthwhile" video. Plus I'm really digging that beat during the rolling credits.
I'm glad somebody listens to the music lol (lot of time and effort making our own music), thanks for the comment!
I noticed the same on 2018 Jazz GK5 1.5 without turbo. I checked the oil and it was like water, so I decided to change it. In the oil pan it was clearly smelling as petrol. Keep in mind that I use 5w30 A5/B5 and it was still as water. I moved to 5W30 A3/B4 which is not ecological oil. And I will change the oil every 5k kms. (3100miles) If it's still like water , I will move to 10w40 so I can protect the engine.
This is a huge problem and Honda is not addressing it properly. DO NOT BUY A CAR WITH THIS ENGINE!
My thoughts exactly. The only way to buy a Honda is to track down their vehicles with a 2.4 naturally aspirated engine. I have a 2013 Accord and hope to have it forever. It will all depend on how long the CVT lasts.
I DECIDED NOT TO BUY A HONDA IS MY SOLUTION, PERIOD. I owned lots of Honda, too. Always like them. Honda dropped the ball!
I bought the 2016, and 2018 CRV with the 2.4 liter engine. Best engine from Honda over a tiny 1.5 struggling motor.
There is two naturally aspirated engines in their line up, 2.0 or 3.5 , if you get a hybrid it comes with the 2.0
Good call, I wish I hadn't!!
My words exactly.
That 2.4 was an excellent engine.
I think in the future it might turn into a class action. Having to keep and eye in it constantly? And having to change your oil at 30% when the indicator will notify at 15%. Something definitely not right with those piston rings. It's as if they left the the piston ring gaps all on one side of the piston instead of one on one side and next on the other side and so on.
Thanks for the input!
I agree that this is a problem and the rings not sealing well would definitely contribute, but where the ring gaps were left makes no difference as long as the rings aren't stuck in their grooves for whatever reason. As soon as the engine is started, the rings are going to start to rotate and you have no control over where they end up. From my understanding, the rings were intentionally designed to slowly rotate to keep the grooves clean.
That's right change the oil sooner at 30% mark. Been watching the oil level religiously. No problem with heat in the winter here in Ontario Canada. Scotty says to go with ow16. Don't think the dealer would warranty if some were to happen
Kilmer's a clown
Had a 2017 CRV 1.5 turbo. No short commutes but live in the colder Midwest. At 3000 miles after an oil change, the oil level would be one quart high. Reprogramming the computer with a software update didn't help. Honda extended the warranty on engine to 100,000 miles. Pathetic, I expected this engine to last 300,000 miles or more easily. I've has probably 15 Honda vehicles since 1984, with no big issues at all. Honda has lost their way in building simple, efficient, trouble-free engines and vehicles. On another topic, I also recently got rid of my Pilot with the crappy 9-speed transmission and horrible handling, numb steering and soft brakes. I am no longer a Honda customer. Honda has lost me as a repeat customer.
Try the ‘25 Si
I did and bought it. It’s the best sporty sedan around 30K
It’s too bad this happened with the 1.5 liter engine and Honda couldn’t fix it. I’m not a fan of the combination of direct injection, turbo and a CVT but I’ve driven one and aside from the EX model having a below par sound system it was very good (only a test drive). Sure like your shop!!
what year was the car?
@@pineful4861 Hard to recall. It was either a 2020 or a 2021. I couldn’t tell it had a CVT but I’m not a hard driver. Note that Toyota has both port and direct injection in the 2019 RAV4 and up to address the carbon build up on the intake valves. There are a lot of complaints about how loud the new 2.5 liter engine is. Despite its early teething problems the new RAV4 is a best seller in the US and Canada.
Great Honda tip as always! Good you were paying attention and made notes on the oil level. Not a good Honda design to let this happen.
Thanks for the comment Mike!
@@BigDog50001 thank you so much for your video! I’m looking at a 2018 model with the 1.5L engine and for sure I’ll look at this before I decide my purchase.
Picked up a 2017 CRV in December 2016, with the 1.5L turbo. Started checking the oil in January 2017 and noticed dipstick level was high. Changed oil in February and after a few days the same problem. Started going on forums online and read that this was a problem Honda had in Asia & Europe with 350,000 vehicles. The problem was not solved but they still brought this engine to the US. Filed a complaint with Honda USA & they gave me a 100,000 mile or 6 year warranty. Started changing the oil every 4 months to prolong the inevitable which happened at 6 years and 45,000 miles. Needed to replace fuel injectors and clean the throttle body but that still wasn’t solving the hesitation. Needed a head gasket job. Traded it in at a Lexus dealer. Really liked the car but was angry at Honda to get another one.
The 1.5L turbo engines are not Hondas best that's for sure. Thanks for the input!
Definitely a recall out for this being pcm update. Seems it’s been fixed due to going on the new civic forums and verifying high mileage 1.5t’s
The real issue is that when extracting oil with a pump from dipstick it runs the gaskets in the pump 🙄 my family MB has the same issue
I just use cheap oil and do 2 changes instead of 1 , with just 1 filter change.
Looking at a used 2017 Honda CRV Touring that only comes with the 1.5t. 4cyl. It looks like the owner changed the oil every 5k miles according to Carfax. This turbo situation is definitely giving me pause. Bummed!
Well, 30% is not that bad. I change oil on my Acura MDX every 5000 miles, and minder is about 30% at that time. My bigger concern is if diluted oil is lubricating enough. By the time you change the oil, you have some 10-15% gasoline in oil.
.5 quarts fuel added to 3.7 quarts of oil is certainly not good that's for sure.
I have a built 04 ep3 with the k20a3 and I was wondering why I smelled gas in my oil from the previous season, also was a little higher than full line since last check... Thanks for the information!
Having the same problem with the 1.6 tgdi from Kia. Bought a used one with 32.000km, after 2 months of owning it, I discovered I need a new engine because of oil dilution.
I've been lucky so far with my 2019 coupe ex-t. The oil does smell like fuel sometimes. I change my oil every 3500, use Lucas low viscosity additive. I also highly recommend changing your pcv valve sooner than later. Change them every 25k miles.
I've avoided DI engine for a number of reasons.
I am not the biggest fan, manufactures still have a ways to go before these systems are perfected.
SO glad that my Civic is a 1991 model. These modern day issues can be OTHER people's problems.
Wow a 1991 and its still going??
@@BigDog50001 Yes, Sir! Thanks to channels like yours, I've learned enough on how to DIY that I feel (with a few exceptions like body work, mounting tires, and such) confident enough to do everything myself. All maintenance and repairs happen on time, with quality parts, and the job is done right. My Civic is in (nearly) showroom condition, and runs like new. Gonna keep this car forever. haha
Great explanation!!! Thanks Dog!!!
My first new car purchase was an 1998 Accord coupe. After that a 06 Odyssey and a 08 Fit. I figured after those I would always buy Honda.
But in the 2012 2013 time frame Prius and Camry hybrid were way ahead of anything Honda.
My next vehicle will probably have the 2.5 liter Camry hybrid drive train in some kind of station wagon (Vensa rav4 Crown lift back etc.). No turbos, no GDI without port injection, no mechanical CVTs, no drive belts, etc.
Thanks for the input!
Thanks for the video, my father bought a 2022 crv . I am not sure if it has the same engine. But, it has the same problem. But, it leaves the 88 year old guy stranded. It shut down on him at a little over 1000 miles the first time. They changed the oil and it did it again.. He does take short trips but my wife and I have been running it after the first incident putting more miles on it. The dealership said you have to run it longer to burn the fuel off... which we did. I am about to call the tow truck for the second time to pick it up. it has just at 3000 miles on it. Its not a fact that there it extra oil but it leaves him stranded. He will definitely have more damage to his engine that wont be covered under warranty later. He bought a new car so he wouldn't have to worry. He would have been better off buying a subaru with 100,000 miles on it. any suggestions? I feel bad for him. his first new car in his life.
It’s the same 1.5L turbo but I have the 22’ CRV as well and I’m past 8000 miles no problems at all. Do you live in a colder environment? I live in Arizona so it’s always hot here.
I buy a Honda Accord 1.5t it did the same dealer dint do any thing I have to find the problem and I did find it been a mechanic for long time no more gas in the oil
higher octane and run in sport ...what did you do to solve it?
@@joseguadalupemedina885 Can you please tell us what did you do to solve the oil dilution problem?
The fault is an the headlights when the engine is on normal temperature if you run it with lights off the engine misses
We have a friend with an 2018 Civic Touring, same 1.5L turbo engine, and it runs hot. I told him it is most likely the fuel in his oil, so not enough lubrication, especially at the top, where the cam-shaft is. Having lill too much oil would not be that big of a deal, but when the engine is not getting lubricated, that is a situation! I never had this issue with my Accord, which has a 2.4L NA engine, No turbo..
Thank you for the info, a lot of owner would think there Honda doesn’t burn oil cause instead of dropping on dip stick it increases the amount, No Good…..
Thanks for the comment!
Great information for owners of these cars 👍
Just don’t buy 1.5 liter. There you go
I have the L15BA on my 19 hatchback. At 50k miles, the stench of gas in my oil is way too strong... I'm sad...
It's a shame because Honda usually build brilliant engines and it sounds on paper like a great engine good mpg and decent amount of power.I seen a honda tech saying a software update has sorted the issue but it's hard to see how thats possible and sounds like bs
Great info Big Dog....
When changing oil you think its a good idea to run 1 quart of oil through the car to kinda flush out then refill ?
hi from Alberta Canada just bought a 2022 CR-V for the wife it has 6000 km or at 50 % and I changed the oil to 5/30 full syn , that's when I change oil on any vehicle I have when on gravel roads , I told the wife if driving around town just put the gears shift one notch lower , Honda your dip sticks are so hard to read, my last Honda civic with the 1.5 didn't raise oil level at all with the 5/30 full syn .
Thanks for the comment 👍!
Well this really sucks! My girlfriend just bought a 2024 Honda CRV with this engine. She's so happy I'm not going to say anything to her. She's had 3 Honda's and loves them. Her last one she gave to me. A 2012 Accord with 270k miles and it freakin runs perfect. It's had oil changes on time but thats about it. I hope it lasts.
You're very good at explaining things. Thank you.
I appreciate the comment, thanks!
How long was the last oil change on that car? I think today's CRV maintenance minder is based on time and distance. So it reminds an oil change every 12 months or sooner. My old Honda MM was purely based on distance only.
I believe it was around 6 months, 6,000 miles approximately.
@@BigDog50001 Interesting. I think Honda is doing what you stated... more frequent oil changes, at least once a year per the MM now. It would not surprise me if the techs are also told to fill between the fill markers vs to the top marker... that way, there is room for more liquid. What does surprise me is that you are in AZ, which is a warmer climate. Whst I've read is oil dilution mostly impacts cars that drive short distances in colder regions. Do you know if this driver makes mosly short or shorter trips?
Wish I can like your videos more than once...
I appreciate the comment, thanks!
Great video. Do you know what is an “acceptable” % of fuel in the oil without being concerned? I have this engine and have had Blackstone analysis done that shows percentage of fuel and am wondering what percentage is concerning. Thank you
I don't think any amount of fuel in the oil is "acceptable" except the small amount that would normally get burned off. Not sure on exact percentages, but if the oil level is 1/4 quart or less above full after 5,000 or so miles I probably wouldn't think too much of it.
@@BigDog50001 Thank you
@@PaulNaylor3 Really great question Paul.
I think it's a question Honda needs to answer; especially since they consider this situation as normal.
I mean, there has to be a limit and Honda needs to let us know what that limit is.
Less than 2%, recommended value by a lab
@@daibangx8696 Yes, 2% or less is what Blackstone considers acceptable
Gasoline is an excellent solvent. It will clean oil off of metal parts. That is the opposite of what you want inside your engine.
Is it true that cold weather can cause this ?
Hey Big Dog, I have a brand new 2022 Honda Accord Sport 1.5t, what’s your recommendation on when to do your first oil change? I keep hearing different things about factory lubrication in the engine and people saying to change it when the MM says to, but I also hear to do it for the first time anywhere from 500-1500 miles? Any advice is appreciated!
Same model, I did my first oil change at 3,000 and the MM was only at 60% I believe and I believe my Honda has a dilution issue which would have me change the oil every 4,000-5,000 miles
I changed mine at 1500 miles but you are already way past this point now. My thoughtful break-in worked as I found zero oil loss over 100k miles timeframe.
Thank you for the video. Instead of doing full oil change before the regular intervals, will it possible to pull the oil/fuel mixture through the dip stick and add new oil. It will be a lot easier and quicker to do that then draining the oil from the bottom. Any thoughts on this?
True, but it really doesn't take that much longer to get the car on ramps/jack stands and drain it from the bottom, especially if you don't plan on changing the filter at the moment.
Muy bien esplicado del censor tps y saludos desde Baytown TX
This is the only way. Good advise
Thanks for the video. I have a 2018 Honda CRV with the 1.5L engine with 140,000km on it. It has always had a gas dilution issue. I change the oil myself. 3.6 Liters (manual) shows 1/2 between low and high on the stick. It will rise to about 1/8" over full very quickly and stay there. I always change the oil at about 8000km or 40% or so on the MM. Any suggestions on what oil brand and type is the best for this situation? No issues yet... Thanks
just anything slightly thicker than spec will even out once thinned out with light distillate fuel. I noticed sticky oil helps for some reason. Ester-based oil like Redline and LiquiMoly 0w40 Synthoil helps too.
How frequent should I change the oil?
It's your decision, but many, like myself, change oil & filter every 5K miles.
I just bought a 2018 Honda accord sport 1.5 and I noticed it likes to burn a lot of oil and gas, just hit a deer with it tho and gotta fix it now. But gonna at least take a look cover off and see if it’s gunked up now, having it run awhile has made the car feel like it runs better
so I have a honda civic 2018 hatchback EX I'll start doing oil changes sooner .. but I've always used 87 gas. what should I be using or is there no proof that the better gas helps
I’ll stick with my 2.4 engine. Thanks
My favorite Honda engine by far.
Wish that I had chosen a 2.4 on the lower trim.
My 2010 accords oil smells of petrol like a mother. It’s a k series
K series might be one of the most reliable engines ever made
Greatly explained ❤
Does the 2019 model still have this problem? My 2019 dipstic does smell like gas .
2018-2023 hondas with the 1.5 or 2.0T engine
Thx for sharing. Quick question. Changed Penzoil Ultra Platinum Full Synthetic 0W20 engine oil and honda filter on 2020 CRV 1.5T After that, the engine makes periodic roraing/buzzing sound. Like every 10 seconds lasts for 2 seconds. Oil fill is correct, no oil leaks under, no change in driving pattern m. Any thoughts
The best Honda I’ve owned was a 2007 Honda accord v6 ex-l Navi.
I got it to 222,xxx before I decided to sell it. Worst decision I’ve made. I miss that dam car.
I got the 2016 civic with 1.5L turbo. got mine a year ago via copart and put a 20k motor in it(my mechanic did lol) Didn't realize these were GDI when I bought the car so it was a surprise for me.
Changed the 1st oil since the swap, and it was overfill, I was like WTH it's more oil than when I put it in at the fill line of 3.7QTS. Smelled the dipstick and it REEKED of gas.
Did a quick oil change day after and put 3.2 to create a safe area should it dilute again...3 months later and I'm right below the fill mark. Nevertheless I'm changing the oil every 3k miles now , sucks I can't put Amsoil in it or Pennzoil Ultra because it'd be a waste of money. I just go with the best economical synthetic with good additive packages like the high mileage Pennzoil or Valvoline and good filter.
The filter that either the Fram Synthetic not the cheapy cardboard 3 buck one or a Wix, Mobil1 will do for a 2 oil change interval. I put molybdenum magnets on the outside of those filters , and drain it out for 30mins on a clear plastic drinking(fast food drink cup) turn it upside down. And then reuse. Since they're rated higher than 3k miles of use.
I've got 2020 and it indicates the change time. The last one took 7500km. I use Shell Helix Ultra 0W-30 ECT C2/C3
I wonder if this happens to all Honda and Toyotas that moved to smaller engines with turbo.
How often would you recommend oilchange? (Km)
Thanks for the video😊🇩🇰
3k miles
I have a 2018 Mazda cx9 2.5 turbo. Oil smells like gas. After just 2k kms half a quart is added to the oil. It uses 5w30. Would it be better if I use a heavier oil like 5w40?
Also, too much dilution can lead to misfire. I just had my Civic misfiring which is good now after an oil change.
How come this issue is not as widely reported on the Hybrid 2 liter? They also use direct injection. So what is different about this design?
Thanks I understand that Honda corrected this design flaw in later models. My friend has a 2019 CRV with the same engine. Do you know if it’s still a problem ? Thanks
Problem solved. Pcm update recall
My 2019 has OD problem. Sold that sucker. No more Honda.
@@richardli5530 the 2.0L probably would've been fine
Someone said sell your Honda and buy a Toyota. So I researched current Toyotas and looked at their common problems. They also have major engine issues. Every car has problems.
The biggest engine issue Toyota had was their 2007-2009 cars with the 2AZ-FE engine with oil consumption issues. But, your other statement is correct. Every make a s brand have their share of issues.
I'd heard there is a new oil I think 0w-16 made for this engine to solve this issue.
Yup, its the GF-6B oil. The brand MAG1 makes it. Its also a 0w-16. Just make sure its the GF-6B for direct injection and turbo.
The New GF-6A is for non turbo direct injection non-turbo engines.
@@henryhernandez1520 Does it really fix the problem? Im looking at getting an Accord but im worried about the 1.5T however if your solution works then I won’t have to spend extra to get a 2.0T
@@henryhernandez1520 that is untrue. At least in Canada. As a Honda technician, 0W20 is the only accepted oil for any new Honda. BUT, the reason this happens is mostly due to short drives where the vehicle doesn’t fully come up to operating temperature. Until it’s up to temperature, they use excessive fuel to help produce heat, which causing the fuel to seep past the piston rings. In the case of this video, if you drive this CRV for about 10-15 miles on the freeway, 9 times out of 10 that oil level will drop because like he mentioned, it will get burnt off through the PCV system.
Coming from a Honda technician, the reason this happens is mostly due to short drives where the vehicle doesn’t fully come up to operating temperature. Until it’s up to temperature, they use excessive fuel to help produce heat, which causing the fuel to seep past the piston rings. In the case of this video, if you drive this CRV for about 10-15 miles on the freeway, 9 times out of 10 that oil level will drop because like he mentioned, it will get burnt off through the PCV system.
@@jasonlecreux1175 nope, dosent work. . 80 miles round trip all freeway, 5 days a week, in Southern California. Even in the summer, when it averages around 112 to 120 F. At 2000 miles it smells of gas, at 3000 miles, it Reeks of gas. 2022 CRV. 1.5.
Great video.thanks man.
Awsome sir...do more....please
I noticed oil in the combustion cylinder when I changed my spark plugs on my 2017 Civic turbo. Lol. Are the piston rings wearing out due to the dilution?
Most likely, you need to change your valve cover gasket if you have oil on your spark plugs.
What about the accords?? Not only the crv and civics but they're saying the accords also have this problem, and what years bcuz I just bought a 2022 1.5 turbo charged accord
Honda 1.5 turbo 4x4 193bhp europ. Milage 192k no problems
Is this common with 1,5 L Turbo engines? Does it affect regular 1,5 Engines as well ? Any advice for me
Mine really smells like gas almost overwhelming. It’s always been like that but I do have a catless dp and it seems like it’s running rich
I have a 2018 Honda accord 1.5 l turbo when I run it with headlights off an day time the rpm’s go down like 100 down then I start to run lights on all the time and runs fine
The engine computer compensates for loads on the engine including electrical loads. I can't see what it is doing however it could be normal operation, but it is possible something else is going on or the PCM needs to relearn the idle. Keep it simple and make sure PCV, spark plugs and air filter etc are good and not overdue for maintenance. Below are some checks on the idle that can be done (usually with a scan tool or code reader that can see engine speed but you could try with just looking at gauges on dash).
NO LOAD IDLE Check (2018-2022 Accords with 1.5L): After being fully warmed up (cooling fans come on twice) a 1.5L with a CVT should idle at 720 RPMs (± 50 in P or N) so there is a 100 RPM margin to be within spec (this is with NO loads on it, no lights at all, no AC, no radio, no blower etc). A manual transmission would be 100 RPMs more, 820 RPMs (± 50 in neutral).
LOAD IDLE Check (2018-2022 Accords with 1.5L): After checking idle with no loads, turn on high loads (A/C on, temperature set to max cool, blower fan on high, headlights on high beam) and let it idle for 1 minute and then check idle again with loads on. After about 1 minute, the idle should be within the same specs as before: CVT should idle at 720 RPMs (± 50 in P or N), manual at 820 RPMs (± 50 in neutral) with loads on it. Remember there is a ± 50 RPM range (100 RPMs total) that would still be considered normal and within spec.
If either one is out of spec typically I would start with a relearn of the idle, which involves resetting the PCM with a scan tool on that model. Hope this info helps.
you are the best 👍👍👍
Hi there, do you have a video for a 2.4 k series engine that burns oil?
What oil should I be using 2019 honda accord 1.5 turbo?
i always use full synthetic
Can you leave the engine oil cap partially open overnight for the fuel to evapourate?
A tiny bit would probably evaporate but I'm not sure that it would make a difference. The issue I see in doing this is you take a change on forgetting to reinstall the cap the next time the vehicle was driven which could be bad depending on how long it was off.
Thank you sir 👍
You bet!
How often?
Any kind of oil recommendations to use other than 0w20???
What are the fuel trims
How about adding an oil catch can?
According to another youtuber, using nothing but 91 octane (even though Honda says you can use 87) fixed this problem.
Well, if a UA-camr said it, it must be true!
Is there a TSB for this?
What if the engine also burns oil? 😅
Thank you
What about the 2.0T in the Accord. Should I remove that car from my "Possibles" list?
My 21 rdx 2.0l turbo has fuel in oil and rear main seal leak and had a combined 10 tlxs and rdx in last 1.5 years so take it from me. Buy a toyota
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