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I thought it was really interesting how the European political system is totally shifted by the victorious Crusader States. It would be interesting to see if the Protestant Reformation or something similar would possible take place, shattering the unity of “Mare” Nostrum, or if Christendom would continue as a united force.
@@andyreginald9272 I mean Christianity still wasn't a united force so long as the Catholic and Orthodox Churches continued to exist in schism. If the Catholic Church was as debaucherous and corrupted as it was in our timeline, I wouldn't be surprised to see, with advancing technology (assuming technology really progressed much in this timeline) some kind of revolt or 'amplified heresy' like Protestantism take off. Perhaps it was only a matter of time/inevitable? The Western Church faced multiple heresies across its existence, not many were able to take off.
@@Chirchy No, I disagree. Christendom being united in the medieval age will always be corny, cringe, and unlikely. Furthermore, a united Christendom is a more fragile Christendom as can be seen from the early HRE, Roman Empire, and debatably the late Byzantine Empire.. I much prefer the decentralized Christian middle eastern counties and duchies that would slowly unite into their own kingdoms in the later age.
Possible outcomes: - Crusaders are overconfident after their strings of victories over the fragmented Muslims, and get sloppy. A Mongol victory results - Crusader allies in Armenia are able to harass the Mongol army, so the heavy cavalry of the crusaders can prevail - The Byzantine Empire sees the opportunity to assert their dominance over the crusaders and either ally with the Mongols or extract concessions from the crusaders. - Some combination of the above options.
I like a combination. The Crusader states, in their overconfidence, take to battle and lose badly. As the Mongols begin to move south out of the Caucasus, the Byzantines are approached by both sides. After considering the ties of faith, and laying out conditions that some would later call “extortion”, the Byzantines decide to help the Crusaders. The Mongols meanwhile are harassed by groups like the Armenians before being met by a combined Byzantine-Crusader force.
if you understood the situation of the Byzantines at the time, the last thing on their minds would be to assert dominance over the crusaders, when they pleaded for centuries for the catholic powers to come and aid them fight off the islamic hordes that seemed unending. They would reinforce their border fortifications and lower military spending for a time to rebuild their economy.
My favourite video of yours thus by far. Love how you gave attention to every bit of Europe and made a really well written and exciting scenario, especially your mentioning of Béla III's Byzanto-Hungarian Union made me appreciate it a ton. You better make a part 2, or else
Well you said perfect so I'm not making this realistic: Somehow takes Belgium from the Netherlands (including the extra territory like Luxembourg) A 2nd Spanish War of succession because Spain wanted a Hohenzollern king leads to France taking Catonia and Prussia's Rhine territory France gets involved in Italy and puppets Savoy or smth or keeps Venice Papal States basically become a French protectorate/puppet because of the French troops stationed there
The Cross proves victorious against the mongol plague, this is a "what if the Crusades worked" scenario after all. Also, love your videos man, would it be possible to make a scenario on what if Anoshazad succeeded in his Christian persian endeavours?
@@Videntis.HistoryAnoshazad was the oldest son of Khosrow I, similarly to Constantine the Great he had a Christian mom and converted to Christianity. While Khosrow I was campaigning in syria, he fell ill, and news spread sround Persia he had died (he hadn't), which lead to Anoshazad raising an army to take the throne, believing his father was dead. But he was defeated.
Lol, ending on a Mongol invasion being met by the Roman Emperor of Jerusalem is a 10/10. I’ve crushed them many times as Outremer in CK3 but never as a Norman Outremer that controls Sicily. Was already thinking about doing a Norman run, might dovetail that into this video.
One of the most underrated Alt-Hist channels out there that takes extreme time and effort to make quality maps as well as storytelling. Honestly becoming my favorite channel by far. I'd like to see a second part of this scenario but to keep it on a line of realism and not just a crusader's wet dream, Charles will be defeated by Chorqman's army because of how horse archers were so effective and the tactics utilized by the mongols at the time however I would imagine the diverse network of castles and forts of Jerusalem would lead to the mongol's choice of just ditching the idea of invading Mesopotamia with Persia being a far more ripe fruit to pick. This would end in a scenario where the Euphrates river and the Caucasus mountains would be the division between the two great empires. Though to be honest any scenario you pick would be great cause just having a second episode would put a smile on my face.
@@Videntis.History I don't know whether it would be possible, but I hope there could be a way for you to allow the Byzantines to take advantage of the exhaustion of the Crusader states following the war against the Mongols and thus greatly expand into areas such as Iraq and Syria.
I just love the story, alternate history and maps in your videos especially in this one. All of youre videos always surprise me how original they are and how they stand out from the rest, Good Job, you are my inspiration for starting my own history channel!
I think you’re in luck considering the Eastern Roman Empire’s personal Union with Hungary, and how he said Andronikos was killed by Manuel, meaning that the series of incompetent emperors from Andronikos, to Isaac II, to Alexios III who contributed to the great downfall most likely wouldn’t occur!
This might push for a political union between _all_ the British kingdoms and the Netherlands while retaining some local autonomy? So not just England-Scotland as Kingdom of Great Britain but a UK of the British Isles & Low Countries.
Alright lads I get that we’re having fun here but that’s just never gonna happen I’ve never seen any Christian no matter how religious claim that they want the holy land back and considering how things are going I doubt that’ll change anytime soon
I like crusaders but i think it would be very intresting scenario where the mongols would won the battle of edessa( i think its more likely) with edessa falling and other cruaaders states in the east , the shock would lead to something like second crusade of our timeline. Anyways great video as always i enjoyed it. Also i hope that you will keep on and i will be glad to see you becoming more prominent althist youtube channel (maps, voice and edits are very good and the alt timeline is very fun to listen and watch)
Realistically they'll conquer Edessa and Antioch and much of the Levant, but fail to take the coastal fortified cities. It's a toss-up as to whether they'll take Jerusalem, but I think they're more likely to just go around it and cut it off from Egypt. They can probably crush the crusader army of Jerusalem but will probably fail to break into Egye retreating from lack of good pastureland to support their horses.
It was the murderous crusaders that toppled Constantinople, the loot was so great they never needed to go steal from Jerusalem and the surrounding cities. As a matter of HISTORICAL FACT the loot from Constantinople jumpstarted the western European economy. Just a bunch of briggands, barbarians, germans, rapists, that destroyed Chistianity' heartland!
I love the looks of the intro and just the graphics, even if you are not having the best performance right now, this is really promising and your work is just so great you will succeed ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤. Also can you please do a what if Hannibal Won Second Punic War and Napoleon The Third was successful.😢
I think that after Baldwin I, Coptics would desire their own state, look what happened in Byzantine-Sasanian war ( the last one ), where Coptics revolted against Rome when they heard of approaching Persians. Overall nice video. Crusades are wrongly demonised by novadays historians in my opinion, I mean no one was 100% good or 100% bad but still. Liked the video. I have a cool suggestion: What if Theodoric the Great succeded in his plans of restoring the Western Roman Empire or what if Amalasuntha was never usurped by Theodahad? I really liked your Vandal video and more about this time period on these ""barbarian"" kingdoms would be appreciated. Goths, Suebi etc. And if you want a break from alt-history, I propose potential Polish-Vandal link video ( it seems unlikely at the beginning and I was thinking that too, but as I gathered more and more evidence, I got conviced. ). Keep up good work! 👍
@@Videntis.History So basically Theodoric the Great secures throne for his dynasty in Visigothic Spain ( he was only a regent irl ), asuring his family to survive there, by promises of reconquering recently lost by Alaric II - Aquitaine ( which is realistic as Franks always were broken up amongst different Duchies such as Austrasia & Neustria as soon as one King dies ), having his daughter Amalasuntha inherit both Italy & Hispania, and considering that Amalasuntha was on good terms with Justinian ( as she even agreed on raising her son, Athalaric, in Roman virtues, yet he died as teenager due to alcoholism ), Romano-Gothic/Western Gothic Empire might not have fallen that early. Years pass by and as Eastern Rome looses territories to Arabs ( with Africa which Belisarius still very likely would have conquered in 500s ), Tariq could not conquer Hispania due to manpower & resources that this Romano-Gothic Empire would have as well as loyality of the people ( as Theodoric the Great, Amalasuntha & possibly their succesors would be loved by Roman citizens ), resulting in Muslim expansion to be halted likely at decisive battle ( let's say in Carthago Nova or Portus Magnus ). Then Gothic people over time would likely convert to Chalcedonian/Nicaean Christianity, abondoning Arian faith ( which did occur in Visigothic Spain by 500s AD ), giving more legitimacy to Amal/Amaling dynasty. I pressume that this Empire would have survived till Normans would arrive, having ravaged Italy and conquered it while rump state in Hispania would continue. As centuries would have passed, perhaps around 1500s Amalings would have lost Spanish crown and be replaced by a Norman or French royal family. Thank You for considering my scenerio(s), I love Your videos!!
What distortion are you talking about about a group of deviant killers in a war against Muslims who killed innocent people and destroyed and raped him under a lie in the name of religion? Despite this, the Muslims were victorious in the end and liberated Jerusalem. The campaigns against Egypt and North Africa failed, and the Ottomans confronted them in Anatolia and the Balkans. The situation turned into an Ottoman invasion that terrified Europe for centuries.
@@Altier77 It is your point of view ig. History is written by victorious ones. Now Europe is secularised, with many Muslims and Secularists. That's why Crusades are demonized. And I agree the first EVER crusade called "people's crusade" was just a peasant mob which slaughtered, killed, r*ped etc. etc., tho when led by actual monarchs & knights, crusades weren't harmfull for locals ( with a few exceptions like 4th crusade ). I repeat it, neither side is "Holy" and I agree at SOME points with you, tho not in all. Both sides commited crimes, no one talks about how Seljuks massacred pilgrims or did not allow them to be at all, yet everyone talks about how "crusades were bad and wrong". There are both extremists & moderates on all sides always.
I love yours videos. For my, realism isnt THE important thing in AH, so your videos are perfect, because, despite dont being that realistic, are so well done. Hope your channel reaches 50k subscribers.
What if Europe, Middle East, America and Africa had adopted the cult of Makima, Revy, Cutie Honey, Marin Kitagawa, Trixie Tang, Judy Neutron, Marge Simpson, Wendy Corduroy, Lois Griffin, Sailor Moon and Maddie Fenton instead of Abrahamic shit?
do you have part 2? Also I think the Mongols will harrass with arrows on their horse archers. but crusader armor at the time could sustain. After that crusaders do a mass charge, the shock of the charge will scatter the mongols . moral was high having the cross and initial success of charge . infantry moves in to finish off mongols stuck in combat . crusader horses are superior to mongol horses.... after latins learn that byzantines helped the mongols with information and supplies. mongols see kindom of jerusalem is to powerful so they decide to turn on byzantines and expand into anatolia. many turk tribes are absorbed into mongol armies. mongols keep pushing untill they almost reach constantinople, leading to another bulgar uprising sponsored by the west....... constantinople is weak and is forced to ask the pope for help as they have seen how other christians have been respected in roman empire of jerusalem. in exchange for protection orthodox christians agree to be under pope making the pope finally highest figure in christianity. After Pope calls for crusade vs the Mongols. Mongols main army is defeated by a coalition of christians (britain,french, kingdom of jeruslam) in anatolia. Many soldiers seeking glory and money decide to keep going and take mongol lands around kievan rus creating a new christian kingdom there. converting everyone into christians....... byzantine empire is absorbed by kingdom of jeruslam after king of jerusalem agrees to marry byzantine princess and have their child heir to throne.legitimizing the bloodline...... kingdom of jerusalem consolidates and finally destroy the last big desperate army muslims formed while christians busy with mongols. All forms of christians are respected and every year scholars from all sects get together to talk. slowly over time eventually forming a new more unified christian religion.
Here's 2 suggestions. 1. What if the Byzantines survived longer and fled to the North American continent and rebuilt their empire in Canada and the US. (Seems very unrealistic ik) 2. What if everything went perfect for Rome
A beautiful alternative history showing what could have been but what did not occur. I am a bit worried for the future of this world, however. A reconquered Christian middle east is a beautiful thing but the Magna Carta is perhaps THE most important legal document in English common law and marked a turning point in British history. It is not the sole reason that English colonial settlements turned out better than Spanish or Portuguese ones but I think it is a major one. Combined with the fact that Richard Lionheart got involved with Navarre and the Spanish Reconquista as well as a few other minor powers, the Iberian Peninsula looks much less united with a stronger Navarre and southern independent states in Portugal and modern Spain. In my mind there is no certainty that Spain unites like in our timeline, at least not as gracefully. That is due to these additional states but more specifically the increased presence of the English Crown which we saw how that turned out in France and secure Christian states in the Maghreb which may also contest a united Spain. With a weaker more disunited Spain and Portugal, they may be forced to spend more time and resources on domestic policy with their immediate neighbors than those halfway across the world. Another possible issue is that due to Christian states in the Maghreb will we see a Christian West Africa rather than a Muslim one as we saw in real life? If so, when the colonial age closes a scramble for Africa may take a completely different, less belligerent form. Finally, due to the fact that the gateway to Asia and the silk road are no longer so heavily controlled by Islam, a major reason for Colombus' voyages and colonialism in the New World vanishes. Perhaps not, perhaps events would simply happen in reverse with greater importance being placed on Africa rather than the Americas only for the first couple hundred of years. Without the Magna Carta, I seriously wonder if Britain would grow to be so strong and influential so I doubt the USA would take form as it did, if at all. But perhaps we would see a USA analogue in South Africa rather than North America.
Really well done video Videntis! You've done a great job of showing the cultural, religious, and political consequences of this alternative scenario. I'd love to see a video about what would have happened if the Kingdom of Naples had become a colonial empire. How would it influence the history of Europe and the world? How would the Neapolitan culture have merged with those of other populations? How would it deal with the challenges and opportunities of colonialism? What do you think?
@@Videntis.History The video showed us how the Normans conquered parts of North Africa and the Middle East. It would be interesting to see how Naples, under the rule of Aragon or the Bourbons, could have expanded its colonial influence.
Loved it! Keep up the amazing work! Suggestion for another Roman scenario: What if Commodus never came to power? Two ways this can go: What if Faustina the Younger married Emperor Lucius Verus instead as Hadrian had intended, or what if Marcus Aurelius adopted a successor instead of Commodus?
Could it be possible that a 2nd part is made? And also, could it be a possibility that with this timeline, the roman empire has a chance to be reformed, mainly since the Roman Empire of Jerusalem exists
You know what I was sad that the Carolingian crusade was out voted at first but this is a pretty fun take on "what if the crusades succeeded" so it's wasn't a great loss
Do you think that it would be realistic for Jerusalem to ever conquer Baghdad, even if only for a short time? After all, the city was relatively close to the crusader states in Northern Iraq, and the city would be very enticing for the Christians given its immense wealth and the blow that would be dealt to the Muslims with its capture. Also, do you know or like Jabzy?
yeah i have a 21 part 8ish hour series on charlemagne thats the most in depth on youtube, im still trying to figure some tech things out though and how to release it, but should be out sporadically over the next few months
Great video. I think that overtime the cultural differences would cause Jerusalem to split into a Sicilian, Egyptian and Jerusalem Levantine kingdoms. With the Sicilian kingdom remaining one the wealthiest places in Europe it could easily unite Italy much earlier and Egypt and the levant would be fully integrated wealthy parts of the Christian world since the mamluks would never razed and depopulate that region. Islam would be relegated to Persia and northern India. Also with the Mediterranean as a united economic entity southern Europe and North Africa would be as , if not more, wealthy than Northern Europe
If they succeded I think we are basically looking at a completely Christian mediterranean sea, the devide between the western world and the eastern would be from Anatolia and the Levant to the East, ofc that's not even mentioning how northern Africa would end up being christianized as well. Truly fascinating...
Polish duchies would unite much sooner, as it was an ambition of the prince Henryk Pobożny, who didn't manage to do this as he was killed in the Battle of Legnica, 1241. So a more centralized and western Kingdom of Poland would emerge, probably seeking more expansion into the western than the eastern direction. It could become a stable major player, as the nobles would not get so much influence on the country.
I feel like Frankish knights would have absolutely decimated the mongols wherever they could actually catch them, similar to how the crusaders had huge advantages against the more lightly armored Muslims
I feel like for the best scenario for the Crusaders, they would have to work with the Roman Empire, and also not betray them, raid them on the way there, and none of the demands Alexios made of the crusaders were ludicrous, or outlandish. I know it's a an absolute perfect scenario for Catholic Crusaders specifically going beyond the Crusades specifically. I also HIGHLY doubt any crusader would be willing to call themselves the Roman Empire with the real Roman Empire being so close, the H.R.E existing still, and of course the fact several locations were expecting to become part of the Roman Empire again. That being said, I expect the H.R.E might do what they did to Russia in our timeline and decree them the Third Rome. In our timeline the Mongolians made a marriage alliance with the Romans, so I imagine that they would likely do the same here, perhaps combining with them in order to move down into the levant so Rome could relcaim their territory.
the byzantines were the ones who backed out of their deal with the crusaders, not the other way around, so it would ridiculous to expect them to pay tribute when you failed to support them during battles
“For the grace, for the might of our lord In the name of his glory For the faith, for the way of the sword Come and tell their story Gave their lives so boldly Come and tell the Swiss Guards' story again”
The optimal timeline: All the Crusades were succesful and all the new crusader states were stable and happy and everyone got along and and there is no dispute over the holy land whatsoever in the current day
@@Videntis.Historythanks, also I may turn this into a lil thing on the alternate history wiki, I was gonna ask two things 1. Am I allowed to dm you on discord? 2. Can I turn this into a timeline on the alt history wiki?
I have a question for this scenario, why would the crusaders restore and not destroy the ancient Egyptian wonders and structures. Also of the crusaders restored the ancient Egyptian wonders, why wouldn’t they restore the Roman structures like the northern African aqueducts
europeans had been maintaining ancient structures for a while, especially christian ones and those important to europe, so structures built by alexander would be important to them imo
This video was very thought-provoking and creative. I enjoyed watching how the history of the world would be different if the Crusades had achieved all their goals. It was fascinating to see how the Crusader states would have expanded and influenced the politics, culture, and religion of the Middle East and Europe. It was also intriguing to imagine how the relations between Christians, Muslims, Jews, and other groups would have changed. I wonder how the Crusades would have affected the development of science, technology, trade, and art. How would the world look like today if the Crusades had gone perfectly?
I gotta disagree with one thing that being that Baldwin I was arguably the best crusader or leader of Crusader states, that/those titles in my opinion fall on Baldvin IV he was the best there ever was
First thing first: Videntis,thank you very much for liking my previous comment,I Felt honored.😁 To answer to your question: Yes the Crusaders behind the Holy true Cross will absolutly crush the mongols,and impress them so much that revolt will start sparkling inside their Empire,and Mass conversion to Catholicism or Orthodoxy will happen among Mongol people and Troops with some Khans leading this movement. As a Result Kievan Rus never falled and start beating the Khanats and other hostile tribes one by one and quickly began to expend North and allways further toward east (taking the role inherited in our reality by moscovia). In the meantime,the kingdom of Jerusalem,Crusader States,Byzentium will team with Nubian Kingdoms and the Ethiopian Empire to launch an Invasion of the Arabian Peninsula. All the Orders of Warriors Monks will play a great Role in this offensive. Ethiopians wanting Even to reintegrate the area of the modern day yemen. Persia will be quickly subjugated by the Byzentium as Well As the Bagdad Emirate by the retentless assault of the Assyrian State in Alliance with the Crusader. Meanwhile with the Earlier Renaissance,European Powers will be push in a discovery frenzy,and the first Navels will land on the shores of America,The HRE wilk definitly take his part of it.
How is the crusades the most controversial topic in history when it didn't effect even half of the population at the time ? The Crusades had almost no effect on the majority of Africa, the Americas, Asia or Oceania.
I don’t even know how it was controversial, the Turks were literally trying to conquer everything from Spain to the Balkans, without the crusades chances are the Turks would have made quick work with the Byzantines hundreds of years earlier and they would have been in a good position to threaten the rest of Europe the crusades were needed.
It's a bit off wrt to England and France. Richard's son would be a William or Henry. His nephew Arthur would remain Duke of Brittany. And John's family would be Dukes of Normandy. France would have to exploit any divisions. I'm guessing that Ireland gets a royal title sooner under a King of England & Navarre who's still Duke of Aquitaine too.
YT doesn't like my longer replies any more than comments mentioning websites 🙄. I have a whole outline of how this Ricardian line England Navarre could proceed
I am guessing that the way you end this video, you're leaning towards an alt-history version of the battle of Ain Jalut? Presumably the Mongol invaders press their advantages against the nominally independent Crusader duchies in the north before finding themselves at a disadvantage in the terrain further south and fighting against the more centralised Jerusalem Empire. I'd imagine the Mongols would be able to push for some small territorial concessions, but weakened enough by the end that they wouldn't be able to maintain their position when internal stability breaks down as it did in real history. I'm also guessing that in this alternate timeline, the Muslims would at least try to ally with the Mongol invaders in an attempt to retake lost territory, similar to how Christians tried in real history? Apparently there were steps taken in that direction but due to how long it took to send messages back and forth it was impossible to coordinate military actions.
I think that this battle would be super close, between 180000 mongols and 140000 crusaders. As the crusaders have morale, and heavy numbers and Christ, but the mongols are light cavlary, like the Parthian’s who defeated a powerful Roman army which was heavily armored at Carrne. But I would want the Christians to win.
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For sure.
part 2 OORRAH!
What is the late of the rest of Italy? Does the Romans of Jerusalem gain more legitimacy than the pope?
What is the late of the rest of Italy? Does the Romans of Jerusalem gain more legitimacy than the pope?
What about the Germans they have been devastated. Will they make a comeback on France or hungarobyzantium
The worst enemy of Barbarossa: the rivers.
It’s a canon event
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really?@@Videntis.History
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The red army*
8:01 I’m starting to think that we should keep Barbarossa away from rivers
its a canon event
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@@Videntis.Historycan you do a video about:what if everything went perfect for HRE?
I see Barbarossa as the true German emperor who could truly unite a strong united Germany much like France and england were able to unit themselves.
According to the Khyfhäuser legend, he will return with other great Germans to reunite the empire in its greatest need.@@eidoneverchoosen1171
I’ve been a Crusades fanboy since middle school, and this video makes my day!
glad you liked it, thoughts on the video?
I thought it was really interesting how the European political system is totally shifted by the victorious Crusader States. It would be interesting to see if the Protestant Reformation or something similar would possible take place, shattering the unity of “Mare” Nostrum, or if Christendom would continue as a united force.
@@andyreginald9272 I mean Christianity still wasn't a united force so long as the Catholic and Orthodox Churches continued to exist in schism. If the Catholic Church was as debaucherous and corrupted as it was in our timeline, I wouldn't be surprised to see, with advancing technology (assuming technology really progressed much in this timeline) some kind of revolt or 'amplified heresy' like Protestantism take off. Perhaps it was only a matter of time/inevitable? The Western Church faced multiple heresies across its existence, not many were able to take off.
@@Videntis.Historytalk more about Ethiopia and Sudan
go back to reality
We NEED a part 2
hope it does good enough for part 2
@@Videntis.Historyyou should definitely unite christendom in part 2, but not in a corny way 😉
@@Videntis.History Please do
@@Chirchy No, I disagree. Christendom being united in the medieval age will always be corny, cringe, and unlikely. Furthermore, a united Christendom is a more fragile Christendom as can be seen from the early HRE, Roman Empire, and debatably the late Byzantine Empire.. I much prefer the decentralized Christian middle eastern counties and duchies that would slowly unite into their own kingdoms in the later age.
Possible outcomes:
- Crusaders are overconfident after their strings of victories over the fragmented Muslims, and get sloppy. A Mongol victory results
- Crusader allies in Armenia are able to harass the Mongol army, so the heavy cavalry of the crusaders can prevail
- The Byzantine Empire sees the opportunity to assert their dominance over the crusaders and either ally with the Mongols or extract concessions from the crusaders.
- Some combination of the above options.
I like a combination. The Crusader states, in their overconfidence, take to battle and lose badly. As the Mongols begin to move south out of the Caucasus, the Byzantines are approached by both sides. After considering the ties of faith, and laying out conditions that some would later call “extortion”, the Byzantines decide to help the Crusaders. The Mongols meanwhile are harassed by groups like the Armenians before being met by a combined Byzantine-Crusader force.
good idea, it would be interesting to see what would happen
@@cubefreak123Maybe a personal union either the Byzantine Empire being the successor to the Norman being the Senior Partner
@@Videntis.Historyindeed! Wanna see a sequel!
if you understood the situation of the Byzantines at the time, the last thing on their minds would be to assert dominance over the crusaders, when they pleaded for centuries for the catholic powers to come and aid them fight off the islamic hordes that seemed unending. They would reinforce their border fortifications and lower military spending for a time to rebuild their economy.
My favourite video of yours thus by far. Love how you gave attention to every bit of Europe and made a really well written and exciting scenario, especially your mentioning of Béla III's Byzanto-Hungarian Union made me appreciate it a ton. You better make a part 2, or else
Glad you enjoyed it!
let's be real. Bela would have been killed by his courtiers or deposed by a Greek general lol
@@owoc8260it would have been awesome as a Hungarian, but the Roman’s were so xenophobic at the time no non romaioi could be emperor
@@pbobmapping4178 just excluded the syrians and Armenians then
That looks amazing man! Suggestion: What if everything went perfectly For Napoleón III?
good idea
@@Videntis.History Thanks!
Well you said perfect so I'm not making this realistic:
Somehow takes Belgium from the Netherlands (including the extra territory like Luxembourg)
A 2nd Spanish War of succession because Spain wanted a Hohenzollern king leads to France taking Catonia and Prussia's Rhine territory
France gets involved in Italy and puppets Savoy or smth or keeps Venice
Papal States basically become a French protectorate/puppet because of the French troops stationed there
@@Videntis.History Please do this!!!
@@Videntis.History Ooh Yes!!
The Cross proves victorious against the mongol plague, this is a "what if the Crusades worked" scenario after all. Also, love your videos man, would it be possible to make a scenario on what if Anoshazad succeeded in his Christian persian endeavours?
i'm not familiar with that topic, can you explain a bit more?
@@Videntis.HistoryAnoshazad was the oldest son of Khosrow I, similarly to Constantine the Great he had a Christian mom and converted to Christianity. While Khosrow I was campaigning in syria, he fell ill, and news spread sround Persia he had died (he hadn't), which lead to Anoshazad raising an army to take the throne, believing his father was dead. But he was defeated.
So it'd basically be a "What if Persia became Christian" scenario
Lol, ending on a Mongol invasion being met by the Roman Emperor of Jerusalem is a 10/10. I’ve crushed them many times as Outremer in CK3 but never as a Norman Outremer that controls Sicily. Was already thinking about doing a Norman run, might dovetail that into this video.
gotta try it in ck3, im sure it would be fun
One of the most underrated Alt-Hist channels out there that takes extreme time and effort to make quality maps as well as storytelling. Honestly becoming my favorite channel by far. I'd like to see a second part of this scenario but to keep it on a line of realism and not just a crusader's wet dream, Charles will be defeated by Chorqman's army because of how horse archers were so effective and the tactics utilized by the mongols at the time however I would imagine the diverse network of castles and forts of Jerusalem would lead to the mongol's choice of just ditching the idea of invading Mesopotamia with Persia being a far more ripe fruit to pick. This would end in a scenario where the Euphrates river and the Caucasus mountains would be the division between the two great empires. Though to be honest any scenario you pick would be great cause just having a second episode would put a smile on my face.
thanks so much for the kind words, I think the castles would prevent the mongols from pushing even if they were victorious. I hope theres a part 2
@@Videntis.History I don't know whether it would be possible, but I hope there could be a way for you to allow the Byzantines to take advantage of the exhaustion of the Crusader states following the war against the Mongols and thus greatly expand into areas such as Iraq and Syria.
I just love the story, alternate history and maps in your videos especially in this one. All of youre videos always surprise me how original they are and how they stand out from the rest, Good Job, you are my inspiration for starting my own history channel!
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Thank you very much!
We definitely need part 2. As a Greek i hope that there would not be anything like 4th crusade in this timeline 😅
I think you’re in luck considering the Eastern Roman Empire’s personal Union with Hungary, and how he said Andronikos was killed by Manuel, meaning that the series of incompetent emperors from Andronikos, to Isaac II, to Alexios III who contributed to the great downfall most likely wouldn’t occur!
yeah probably no 4th crusade, if anything the 2 churches would grow back together due to the mongols
Wash your mouth with soap.
You know the rules: We don’t talk about the fourth crusade.
@@SupremeMetalOverlord what crusade?
@@antiepix9555 good answer.
Idea: What if England and the Dutch stayed in a personal union after the glorious revolution?
它将成为哈布斯堡王朝和波旁王朝的目标，并能够以十字军东征新教徒的名义获得教皇的支持
nice idea
This might push for a political union between _all_ the British kingdoms and the Netherlands while retaining some local autonomy?
So not just England-Scotland as Kingdom of Great Britain but a UK of the British Isles & Low Countries.
great scenario, didnt feel ultra unrealistic, loved it! keep pumpin em out
That's the plan!
We must claim the holy land
Yes
When the right opportunity occurs then it’d be best.
@@winterinvicta Indeed my friend
Alright lads I get that we’re having fun here but that’s just never gonna happen I’ve never seen any Christian no matter how religious claim that they want the holy land back and considering how things are going I doubt that’ll change anytime soon
Assyrians mentioned RAHHH
I like crusaders but i think it would be very intresting scenario where the mongols would won the battle of edessa( i think its more likely) with edessa falling and other cruaaders states in the east , the shock would lead to something like second crusade of our timeline. Anyways great video as always i enjoyed it. Also i hope that you will keep on and i will be glad to see you becoming more prominent althist youtube channel (maps, voice and edits are very good and the alt timeline is very fun to listen and watch)
thanks man, i hope i keep it up and get bigger
Realistically they'll conquer Edessa and Antioch and much of the Levant, but fail to take the coastal fortified cities. It's a toss-up as to whether they'll take Jerusalem, but I think they're more likely to just go around it and cut it off from Egypt. They can probably crush the crusader army of Jerusalem but will probably fail to break into Egye retreating from lack of good pastureland to support their horses.
Soooo happy to see the Crusades are finally getting the mainstream attention it deserves
glaf you liked it
Videntis is probably one of the coolest alternate history youtuber, subscribing.
thanks man
He is the best
The most important thing would be that the Ottomans would've never reached full strength, so... CONSTANTINOPLE
Based
@@Videntis.History indeed
No latin empire i think Cause no fourth crusade
@@mohamedkiyaan3899 that's good 👍
It was the murderous crusaders that toppled Constantinople, the loot was so great they never needed to go steal from Jerusalem and the surrounding cities. As a matter of HISTORICAL FACT the loot from Constantinople jumpstarted the western European economy. Just a bunch of briggands, barbarians, germans, rapists, that destroyed Chistianity' heartland!
We need this to be an actual series
I love the looks of the intro and just the graphics, even if you are not having the best performance right now, this is really promising and your work is just so great you will succeed ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤. Also can you please do a what if Hannibal Won Second Punic War and Napoleon The Third was successful.😢
if you write the hannibal scipt i will make it a video, so up to you if you want to see it
@@Videntis.History I could do it, could you put the link again so I can send it, in the near future?
I think that after Baldwin I, Coptics would desire their own state, look what happened in Byzantine-Sasanian war ( the last one ), where Coptics revolted against Rome when they heard of approaching Persians. Overall nice video. Crusades are wrongly demonised by novadays historians in my opinion, I mean no one was 100% good or 100% bad but still. Liked the video.
I have a cool suggestion: What if Theodoric the Great succeded in his plans of restoring the Western Roman Empire or what if Amalasuntha was never usurped by Theodahad?
I really liked your Vandal video and more about this time period on these ""barbarian"" kingdoms would be appreciated. Goths, Suebi etc. And if you want a break from alt-history, I propose potential Polish-Vandal link video ( it seems unlikely at the beginning and I was thinking that too, but as I gathered more and more evidence, I got conviced. ).
Keep up good work! 👍
i lilke the theodoric idea, if you can expand on it it would be interesting
@@Videntis.History So basically Theodoric the Great secures throne for his dynasty in Visigothic Spain ( he was only a regent irl ), asuring his family to survive there, by promises of reconquering recently lost by Alaric II - Aquitaine ( which is realistic as Franks always were broken up amongst different Duchies such as Austrasia & Neustria as soon as one King dies ), having his daughter Amalasuntha inherit both Italy & Hispania, and considering that Amalasuntha was on good terms with Justinian ( as she even agreed on raising her son, Athalaric, in Roman virtues, yet he died as teenager due to alcoholism ), Romano-Gothic/Western Gothic Empire might not have fallen that early. Years pass by and as Eastern Rome looses territories to Arabs ( with Africa which Belisarius still very likely would have conquered in 500s ), Tariq could not conquer Hispania due to manpower & resources that this Romano-Gothic Empire would have as well as loyality of the people ( as Theodoric the Great, Amalasuntha & possibly their succesors would be loved by Roman citizens ), resulting in Muslim expansion to be halted likely at decisive battle ( let's say in Carthago Nova or Portus Magnus ). Then Gothic people over time would likely convert to Chalcedonian/Nicaean Christianity, abondoning Arian faith ( which did occur in Visigothic Spain by 500s AD ), giving more legitimacy to Amal/Amaling dynasty. I pressume that this Empire would have survived till Normans would arrive, having ravaged Italy and conquered it while rump state in Hispania would continue. As centuries would have passed, perhaps around 1500s Amalings would have lost Spanish crown and be replaced by a Norman or French royal family.
Thank You for considering my scenerio(s), I love Your videos!!
What distortion are you talking about about a group of deviant killers in a war against Muslims who killed innocent people and destroyed and raped him under a lie in the name of religion? Despite this, the Muslims were victorious in the end and liberated Jerusalem. The campaigns against Egypt and North Africa failed, and the Ottomans confronted them in Anatolia and the Balkans. The situation turned into an Ottoman invasion that terrified Europe for centuries.
@@Altier77 It is your point of view ig. History is written by victorious ones. Now Europe is secularised, with many Muslims and Secularists. That's why Crusades are demonized. And I agree the first EVER crusade called "people's crusade" was just a peasant mob which slaughtered, killed, r*ped etc. etc., tho when led by actual monarchs & knights, crusades weren't harmfull for locals ( with a few exceptions like 4th crusade ).
I repeat it, neither side is "Holy" and I agree at SOME points with you, tho not in all. Both sides commited crimes, no one talks about how Seljuks massacred pilgrims or did not allow them to be at all, yet everyone talks about how "crusades were bad and wrong".
There are both extremists & moderates on all sides always.
This video is the best alt hist video I've ever seen. Not by idea or concept, but by the immersion, realism, and details. Holy hell.
Thanks man
I really wish the Cathars had been allowed to exist, they were such a fascinating sect.
I’ve always loved the crusades since I was 6, and all these years later and someone finally explores this alt his (great job)
8:13 Pretty cool that we got to see Basil II the Bulgar Slayer's legacy honored in such a way.
gotta do what you gotta do, probably no bulgars left in this timeline
@@Videntis.History Good ending?
not so much :/@@bossy1496
At the end of the day, Kaloyan the Roman-slayer was victorious.
@@petrilio True but at least Alexios got time to take the throne and politely tell the last few Manichaeans in Europe to stop committing simony.
I love that somehow Barbarrossa still managed to drown.
its a canon event
I love yours videos. For my, realism isnt THE important thing in AH, so your videos are perfect, because, despite dont being that realistic, are so well done. Hope your channel reaches 50k subscribers.
Glad you like them!
What if Europe, Middle East, America and Africa had adopted the cult of Makima, Revy, Cutie Honey, Marin Kitagawa, Trixie Tang, Judy Neutron, Marge Simpson, Wendy Corduroy, Lois Griffin, Sailor Moon and Maddie Fenton instead of Abrahamic shit?
Deus Vult! Great Video
Suggestion: What if Japan become a christian state led by a Christian Daimyo during the Sengoku Period.
can explain a bit more
If the crusades went perfectly the Byzantines would have gotten all three La d
do you have part 2? Also I think the Mongols will harrass with arrows on their horse archers. but crusader armor at the time could sustain. After that crusaders do a mass charge, the shock of the charge will scatter the mongols . moral was high having the cross and initial success of charge . infantry moves in to finish off mongols stuck in combat . crusader horses are superior to mongol horses.... after latins learn that byzantines helped the mongols with information and supplies. mongols see kindom of jerusalem is to powerful so they decide to turn on byzantines and expand into anatolia. many turk tribes are absorbed into mongol armies. mongols keep pushing untill they almost reach constantinople, leading to another bulgar uprising sponsored by the west....... constantinople is weak and is forced to ask the pope for help as they have seen how other christians have been respected in roman empire of jerusalem. in exchange for protection orthodox christians agree to be under pope making the pope finally highest figure in christianity. After Pope calls for crusade vs the Mongols. Mongols main army is defeated by a coalition of christians (britain,french, kingdom of jeruslam) in anatolia. Many soldiers seeking glory and money decide to keep going and take mongol lands around kievan rus creating a new christian kingdom there. converting everyone into christians....... byzantine empire is absorbed by kingdom of jeruslam after king of jerusalem agrees to marry byzantine princess and have their child heir to throne.legitimizing the bloodline...... kingdom of jerusalem consolidates and finally destroy the last big desperate army muslims formed while christians busy with mongols. All forms of christians are respected and every year scholars from all sects get together to talk. slowly over time eventually forming a new more unified christian religion.
This is a much better world in every way than the one we live in now.
You should honestly make a part II this is so good
That I wish this was real
probably well cause its doing good
The crusaders probably wouldn't win. The Mongols were at the height of their military competence.
The good ending
Why let anything get in the way of a good crusade?
Here's 2 suggestions.
1. What if the Byzantines survived longer and fled to the North American continent and rebuilt their empire in Canada and the US. (Seems very unrealistic ik)
2. What if everything went perfect for Rome
yeah sounds good, i have a byzantine video coming next month
Excellent suggestions.
Would love to see a part two, great video!
Cool, thanks!
A beautiful alternative history showing what could have been but what did not occur. I am a bit worried for the future of this world, however. A reconquered Christian middle east is a beautiful thing but the Magna Carta is perhaps THE most important legal document in English common law and marked a turning point in British history. It is not the sole reason that English colonial settlements turned out better than Spanish or Portuguese ones but I think it is a major one.
Combined with the fact that Richard Lionheart got involved with Navarre and the Spanish Reconquista as well as a few other minor powers, the Iberian Peninsula looks much less united with a stronger Navarre and southern independent states in Portugal and modern Spain. In my mind there is no certainty that Spain unites like in our timeline, at least not as gracefully. That is due to these additional states but more specifically the increased presence of the English Crown which we saw how that turned out in France and secure Christian states in the Maghreb which may also contest a united Spain. With a weaker more disunited Spain and Portugal, they may be forced to spend more time and resources on domestic policy with their immediate neighbors than those halfway across the world.
Another possible issue is that due to Christian states in the Maghreb will we see a Christian West Africa rather than a Muslim one as we saw in real life? If so, when the colonial age closes a scramble for Africa may take a completely different, less belligerent form.
Finally, due to the fact that the gateway to Asia and the silk road are no longer so heavily controlled by Islam, a major reason for Colombus' voyages and colonialism in the New World vanishes. Perhaps not, perhaps events would simply happen in reverse with greater importance being placed on Africa rather than the Americas only for the first couple hundred of years. Without the Magna Carta, I seriously wonder if Britain would grow to be so strong and influential so I doubt the USA would take form as it did, if at all. But perhaps we would see a USA analogue in South Africa rather than North America.
I think a better name for a Jerusalem Empire, would be the Oriental Empire of Outremer. But other than that, pretty good.
nah, they are the real ROMAN EMPIRE :)
This video is weapons grade copium. And I absolutely love it.
Edit: I can't believe he murdered freddy...
It’s a canon event that he drowns in a River
Barbarossa always drowns in a river somewhere. It's an AH trope!
Videntis has the best speaking voice out of all of the Alt History UA-camrs. He sounds like someone who spent years researching and studying history.
thanks a lot
@@Videntis.History Hey buddy, can I help bridge the dividing Alt History community you've spoken about?
Seeing the byzantines in this state makes me sad and both happy they FINALLY made the Danube safe
only took 1500 years
Feels like a great playthrough of ck3
I love this! Part two please. 😎👍
thanks, coming soon
We really really really NEED a part 2
probably will happen
Really well done video Videntis! You've done a great job of showing the cultural, religious, and political consequences of this alternative scenario. I'd love to see a video about what would have happened if the Kingdom of Naples had become a colonial empire. How would it influence the history of Europe and the world? How would the Neapolitan culture have merged with those of other populations? How would it deal with the challenges and opportunities of colonialism? What do you think?
naples under which dynasty? normans? hohenstaufen? aragonese? bourbons?
Normans founders of Sicilian Kingdom
@@Videntis.History The video showed us how the Normans conquered parts of North Africa and the Middle East. It would be interesting to see how Naples, under the rule of Aragon or the Bourbons, could have expanded its colonial influence.
Loved it! Keep up the amazing work!
Suggestion for another Roman scenario: What if Commodus never came to power? Two ways this can go: What if Faustina the Younger married Emperor Lucius Verus instead as Hadrian had intended, or what if Marcus Aurelius adopted a successor instead of Commodus?
interesting
Could it be possible that a 2nd part is made? And also, could it be a possibility that with this timeline, the roman empire has a chance to be reformed, mainly since the Roman Empire of Jerusalem exists
Yeah Roma Invicta
You know what I was sad that the Carolingian crusade was out voted at first but this is a pretty fun take on "what if the crusades succeeded" so it's wasn't a great loss
What if Brazil maintain as an Empire and became the big power in the world
Do you think that it would be realistic for Jerusalem to ever conquer Baghdad, even if only for a short time? After all, the city was relatively close to the crusader states in Northern Iraq, and the city would be very enticing for the Christians given its immense wealth and the blow that would be dealt to the Muslims with its capture.
Also, do you know or like Jabzy?
Well, I really like your videos, will there be any videos about Charlemagne, or if the Carolingian empire continued?
yeah i have a 21 part 8ish hour series on charlemagne thats the most in depth on youtube, im still trying to figure some tech things out though and how to release it, but should be out sporadically over the next few months
The end of this video was like waking up from a dream 😂 if only!
one of the best videos ever seen on UA-cam, please do a second part
Great video. I think that overtime the cultural differences would cause Jerusalem to split into a Sicilian, Egyptian and Jerusalem Levantine kingdoms. With the Sicilian kingdom remaining one the wealthiest places in Europe it could easily unite Italy much earlier and Egypt and the levant would be fully integrated wealthy parts of the Christian world since the mamluks would never razed and depopulate that region. Islam would be relegated to Persia and northern India. Also with the Mediterranean as a united economic entity southern Europe and North Africa would be as , if not more, wealthy than Northern Europe
maybe, or the empire could stick together and push further east
the effects and sound are very vivid
If they succeded I think we are basically looking at a completely Christian mediterranean sea, the devide between the western world and the eastern would be from Anatolia and the Levant to the East, ofc that's not even mentioning how northern Africa would end up being christianized as well. Truly fascinating...
yeah thats what i thought as well
Love this new style of yours, I can see the improvement. W vid man
thanks
"The crusades are without doubt the most controversial topic in history"
Hitler Enters the Chat
Holocaust Enters the Chat
does anyone defend that though? people argue all the time about the crusades but everyone knows h was evil
Controversy generally involves debate. Pretty sure anyone pro-Holocaust belong to a very small group.
@@cubefreak123yeah
Polish duchies would unite much sooner, as it was an ambition of the prince Henryk Pobożny, who didn't manage to do this as he was killed in the Battle of Legnica, 1241. So a more centralized and western Kingdom of Poland would emerge, probably seeking more expansion into the western than the eastern direction. It could become a stable major player, as the nobles would not get so much influence on the country.
Wait why
I feel like Frankish knights would have absolutely decimated the mongols wherever they could actually catch them, similar to how the crusaders had huge advantages against the more lightly armored Muslims
we need part two this is so interesting
thanks
What if Sweeden united scandinavia, or what if the kalamar union survived
at what time?
@@Videntis.History for Sweden the great Northern war and for Kalmar union anytime you see fit.
Whqt if everything went perfect for Barbarossa
I feel like for the best scenario for the Crusaders, they would have to work with the Roman Empire, and also not betray them, raid them on the way there, and none of the demands Alexios made of the crusaders were ludicrous, or outlandish. I know it's a an absolute perfect scenario for Catholic Crusaders specifically going beyond the Crusades specifically. I also HIGHLY doubt any crusader would be willing to call themselves the Roman Empire with the real Roman Empire being so close, the H.R.E existing still, and of course the fact several locations were expecting to become part of the Roman Empire again. That being said, I expect the H.R.E might do what they did to Russia in our timeline and decree them the Third Rome. In our timeline the Mongolians made a marriage alliance with the Romans, so I imagine that they would likely do the same here, perhaps combining with them in order to move down into the levant so Rome could relcaim their territory.
the byzantines were the ones who backed out of their deal with the crusaders, not the other way around, so it would ridiculous to expect them to pay tribute when you failed to support them during battles
Hello, there are 3 thousand likes on the video with the Macedonian empire, you promised a sequel
Life could be a dream life could be a dream
Come on! More likes!
Btw quick tip, Khwarezmid is actually pronounced like Sh-waris-mid
good to know
Wasn't the Crusader States basically Medieval Colonialism?
“For the grace, for the might of our lord
In the name of his glory
For the faith, for the way of the sword
Come and tell their story
Gave their lives so boldly
Come and tell the Swiss Guards' story again”
The optimal timeline: All the Crusades were succesful and all the new crusader states were stable and happy and everyone got along and and there is no dispute over the holy land whatsoever in the current day
We need part 2 now
I wish but it doesn’t look like that’s happening sadly
@@Videntis.History how so?
@@Videntis.History you know you don’t need likes to make a part 2
@@Videntis.History Just make it anyways.
My idea: make a two choice scenario about the battle of Edessa
nah not my style
I helped on this video myself but I gotta ask, would Assyria be lead by Frankish people or local Assyrians?
Local Assyrians but under the Frankish emperor in Jerusalem
@@Videntis.Historythanks, also I may turn this into a lil thing on the alternate history wiki, I was gonna ask two things
1. Am I allowed to dm you on discord?
2. Can I turn this into a timeline on the alt history wiki?
@@CitrusyGuyyeah of course, ask me anything you want on discord
I have a question for this scenario, why would the crusaders restore and not destroy the ancient Egyptian wonders and structures. Also of the crusaders restored the ancient Egyptian wonders, why wouldn’t they restore the Roman structures like the northern African aqueducts
europeans had been maintaining ancient structures for a while, especially christian ones and those important to europe, so structures built by alexander would be important to them imo
i'm dying to see a second part man
This video was very thought-provoking and creative. I enjoyed watching how the history of the world would be different if the Crusades had achieved all their goals. It was fascinating to see how the Crusader states would have expanded and influenced the politics, culture, and religion of the Middle East and Europe. It was also intriguing to imagine how the relations between Christians, Muslims, Jews, and other groups would have changed. I wonder how the Crusades would have affected the development of science, technology, trade, and art. How would the world look like today if the Crusades had gone perfectly?
I gotta disagree with one thing that being that Baldwin I was arguably the best crusader or leader of Crusader states, that/those titles in my opinion fall on Baldvin IV he was the best there ever was
Well Baldwin I was the reason the kingdom even had a chance of surviving but Baldwin IV was pretty cool too
Can’t wait to recreate this in CK3
First thing first:
Videntis,thank you very much for liking my previous comment,I Felt honored.😁
To answer to your question:
Yes the Crusaders behind the Holy true Cross will absolutly crush the mongols,and impress them so much that revolt will start sparkling inside their Empire,and Mass conversion to Catholicism or Orthodoxy will happen among Mongol people and Troops with some Khans leading this movement.
As a Result Kievan Rus never falled and start beating the Khanats and other hostile tribes one by one and quickly began to expend North and allways further toward east (taking the role inherited in our reality by moscovia).
In the meantime,the kingdom of Jerusalem,Crusader States,Byzentium will team with Nubian Kingdoms and the Ethiopian Empire to launch an Invasion of the Arabian Peninsula. All the Orders of Warriors Monks will play a great Role in this offensive.
Ethiopians wanting Even to reintegrate the area of the modern day yemen.
Persia will be quickly subjugated by the Byzentium as Well As the Bagdad Emirate by the retentless assault of the Assyrian State in Alliance with the Crusader.
Meanwhile with the Earlier Renaissance,European Powers will be push in a discovery frenzy,and the first Navels will land on the shores of America,The HRE wilk definitly take his part of it.
maybe, but i could see the byzantines and crusaders becoming enemies
Here is the Opposite of this video. What if Mehmed the Conquerer Conquered Italy? BTW I like your Mapping style.
Good idea
Also, what if Timur had Invaded China?
Felt like I was watching an actual documentary
Thanks
How is the crusades the most controversial topic in history when it didn't effect even half of the population at the time ? The Crusades had almost no effect on the majority of Africa, the Americas, Asia or Oceania.
Cause people argue if they were good or justified
I don’t even know how it was controversial, the Turks were literally trying to conquer everything from Spain to the Balkans, without the crusades chances are the Turks would have made quick work with the Byzantines hundreds of years earlier and they would have been in a good position to threaten the rest of Europe the crusades were needed.
Being Christian myself I always dream about this stuff actually happening
It's a bit off wrt to England and France.
Richard's son would be a William or Henry.
His nephew Arthur would remain Duke of Brittany.
And John's family would be Dukes of Normandy.
France would have to exploit any divisions.
I'm guessing that Ireland gets a royal title sooner under a King of England & Navarre who's still Duke of Aquitaine too.
Yeah god point, there’s a more detailed version that I couldn’t use because of UA-cam but good to know
YT doesn't like my longer replies any more than comments mentioning websites 🙄.
I have a whole outline of how this Ricardian line England Navarre could proceed
What if the Cathar Religion survived or even grew? I don’t know what that would but might be interesting.
good idea
nice!
suggestion:What if the Umayyads won the battle of Tours?
cool, so islamic occitania
Blessed timeline I wish for this to be a reality, I can’t wait for this to be continued
Glad you liked it
What if the Roman empire survived in the Italian peninsula? (like they defeated Odoacer or something)
Great idea
Lets go! Crusader states!
deus vult
If only this happened the world would have been a better place. But One Day ✝️🙏
I am guessing that the way you end this video, you're leaning towards an alt-history version of the battle of Ain Jalut?
Presumably the Mongol invaders press their advantages against the nominally independent Crusader duchies in the north before finding themselves at a disadvantage in the terrain further south and fighting against the more centralised Jerusalem Empire. I'd imagine the Mongols would be able to push for some small territorial concessions, but weakened enough by the end that they wouldn't be able to maintain their position when internal stability breaks down as it did in real history.
I'm also guessing that in this alternate timeline, the Muslims would at least try to ally with the Mongol invaders in an attempt to retake lost territory, similar to how Christians tried in real history? Apparently there were steps taken in that direction but due to how long it took to send messages back and forth it was impossible to coordinate military actions.
yeah kinda, i hope the video does well enough for p2
Deus vult
amen
@@Videntis.History May the Kafirs triumph inshallah
Does anyone have the links for the Music
I think that this battle would be super close, between 180000 mongols and 140000 crusaders. As the crusaders have morale, and heavy numbers and Christ, but the mongols are light cavlary, like the Parthian’s who defeated a powerful Roman army which was heavily armored at Carrne. But I would want the Christians to win.
yeah not sure who would win