Ironic that the Joker kicked her ass ,at the box office.This is what id expect form a side kick getting their own movie,Not like id be itrested in seeing a Nightwing /Robin movie or one about Batmans butler Alfred.
@@Sin-kj9qt oh man, lol it looks like when I read about the emperor shooting lighting bolts to the sky in the recent star wars movie, I had to download a "Chinese version" to see it, because it sounded unbelievable. Now I will have to that again... Shitting diamonds... Damn
I seem to remember another movie where a crucial character swallows a diamond. Oh yeah, and a squeaky toy!! That character was a lot smarter and potty trained, though. He also had better lines. "Do you know what Nemesis means? A righteous infliction of retribution, manifested by an appropriate agent, personified in this case, by a horrible bunch of cunts! Them!"
Jędrzej Dumania It's only when it's serious that it's a problem. I'm not being sarcastic there. In John Wick or Birds of Prey, it doesn't really matter, because it's not really pushing any kind of violent agenda intentionally or unintentionally. As much as I liked Joker and feel that it doesn't glorify violence, because it treats its world and setting seriously, there will always be criticism for that because it has more potential to be meaningful to the outside world.
@Jędrzej Dumania Ok, come on. No one ever levelled this criticism at any Marvel movie before this point, and plenty of fans levelled it at Man of Steel. Joker actually does explain why Arthur goes down that path which can be seen as a glorification of violence, whereas all other comic book movies simply use violence without any thought or impact. There is a very clear distinction between those two and pretending this is another instance of “SJW BAD” is simply hypocritical.
I love how DC/WB's deliberate attempts to create long-running franchises have largely been failures, while a movie intended as just a one-off throwaway film (Joker) ended up being their biggest critical and commercial hit.
@@ВіталійКовач-г8ч No I basically agree, people like her because she's hot. She's average at best with regards to actually acting. She was pretty good as Harley in Suicide Squad (I haven't watched the trainwreck reviewed in this video) but, let's face it, quirky manic-pixie girl is the low hanging fruit of female roles. Cara Delevingne (June Moon) was a much more impressive actor in that movie as far as performance goes.
I find it hilarious and sad that Aquaman. AQUAMAN is DC's highest grossing film. BvS didn't do it, Justice League wished it could but no, Aquaman did because it's a solid movie with a likable hero
You know, That giant chemical explosion would have also been a great way to get Batman to come down and stomp your ass too. But I guess that's not in the script either.
No guys, no. You just don't get it. It's a strong womanly film made by and for strong women. So naturally all the men are loud brutish idiots that couldn't possibly suspect a woman of doing such things. Batman clearly thinks Joker blew up the chemical plant, so their having a fight about it off screen. Or Batman is at home washing his tights, one of the two.
“She’s like a bout of explosive diarrhea. She’s tolerable, maybe even kind of fun in small doses, but 109 minutes of her without relief just becomes a pain in the arse.” Oh, Drinker! You are a maestro among wordsmiths! My day is brighter just knowing you’re giving your adult beverage of choice lubricated reviews!
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Thing is, you can't actually separate Harley from Joker's reputation. She rides off the Joker's fame because he was the one who manipulated and brainwashed her to become Harley in the first place. Trying to turn her into an independent woman makes as much sense as Batwoman trying to justify Batman taking all the credit away from her image while she runs around in a modified hand-me-down suit of his.
As a woman I tend to enjoy recent movies with male protaganists and often relate to them more than female protaganists. The reason being that in todays age movie makers, most often female writers/directors etc, make the female protaganists so OP, perfect and boring that I want them to lose while the male protaganists are actual characters I can root for.
@@slee2167 Yall be really corny as hell saying that to women who happen to have different opinions from the crowd of oestrogen. Edit; kinda misogynistic of you 💀
Yes, unfortunately a common recipe in bad action/fantastic/sci-fi movies now : take bland, uninteresting, inconsistent main characters, how try to make them look bad-ass : easy, just water-down the enemies. As you said, it doesn't work.
The "bad guy" should've been just Batman. Bruce is just a better candidate for someone like Harley to deal with. He's a beast in combat, and is cooler than black mask. Heck even WW is a good "villain", even though she's OP. Missed opportunity imo. Switch out canary or huntress for Catwoman and poison ivy. Remove the kid entirely. Have 4 sexy DC females trying to make a living, while batman is trying to stop them. Because he's batman.
@@MrREAPERsz At least for the Batman part I agree. Plus it might even give Harley and mates some sort of tragic sympathy, since well Batman is not that quid and rightful so his own "preys".
That’s because Ripley wasn’t designed to be a male nor female character but...just a character. So she comes off as genuine in that way since she wasn’t designed to to be a man or woman. But just a good character.
Being a woman myself and having been in a lot of all female fandom groups and thus seeing all sorts of fandom ladies, I think I know who the intended audience is for this film. It's the kind of woman who sees/hears about the film, says, "It's so cool that they have an all female cast in a Superhero movie! It makes me proud to be a woman." And then goes to think about other things without ever bothering to see the film. I don't think the studios took the second part into account.
Studios seem to overestimate the value of social media interactions. 1.000 fans making 20+ minute videos talking about their passion + 1.000 fans going on and on about their theories for where the characters will go next mean *a lot more* than 10.000 retweets, which are *free, limitless and take no time to do* . How much activism would we see if there was a daily limit of hashtags? If instagram had a subscription fee? If retweets costed a single cent? If to "like" a post you had to endure a harrowing 2 minutes marathon of captchas? Studios reboot and make sequels precisely because the existing fanbase gives their risk averse arses some assurance of a return of their investment, but then they hire activists whose confirmation biases make them misunderstand social media and not only do they canibalize the universe to pander to an entire new target audience, but they childishly double down on their activism by lashing out against criticism from the very fans that enabled the entire venture to begin with. It's even rougher on tv where "watching" means "watching *as it premiers* ", not "binge watch it one week later at 1.25 speed" and *that* implies commitment beyond what most social media activists are willing to put
They've a ready made excuse, as with this movie. Failure was the result of men/patriarchy. Which was the excuse for this movies financial failure. They blamed men for being sexist and not turning up to watch it.
A similar story, a famous feminist writer for a national newspaper was ranting about how female soccer players should get paid the same, mysogeny, patriarchy etc etc. The interviewer asked the obvious question, as pay is linked to viewers/attendance had the journo ever been to a female soccer game? Silence and sheepish 'no'.
@@yurichtube1162 that's their easy way out,everytime something feminist fails,be it books,comics movies etc,the production team and feminists blame men for it,simply because they don't want to shatter the "perfect little angel" image of women and women related stuff and admit the shit they made is a souless cashgrab meant to appeal to twitter users,and as a woman,everytime this happens,i lose my faith in humanity a bit more Many of writers nowdays forget that women are humans too with flaws and mistakes
The thing that gets me is that the line is not even in show. In the show she actually liked that Batman was taking all the credit. It wasn't until she fucked up that she realise that Batman would also get the blame for any mistakes she made. That's why she change the costume and took on the Batwoman name. The line was added to the trailer for woke points.... And like... Why?
The biggest irony is that in spite of the claims that men wouldn't watch it because sexism, more men watched it than women. What was it, 58% in the first week?
Joker: A daring view into the mind of a mentally unhinged man, forgotten by society and driven to madness. Harley Quinn: *snorts coke, kick guy in balls, funny spunk gargle weewee* Okay.
Imagine a sequel to Joker called "Harlequin" being a deep psychological thriller of Arthur Fleck slowly getting into the head of his nurse at Arkham Asylum, pushing her to commit worse and worse acts of defiance and gradually driving her mad, eventually breaking him out and going on a crime spree, or maybe not, maybe it's just a sick fantasy of hers. Imagine how angry *they* will be when it does way better than Birds of Prey. [EDIT 3 YEARS LATER] never mind I take it back.
I like it, but the twist is just cliched. "It was all just a dream" works when the subject is completely original. Seriously, it sounds like a great pitch for a film though.
When you were talking about Harley being an unreliable narrator, it dawned on me that every man being dumb and every girl being glorious could've been used to represent how she sees the world, with her being fabulous, while every man she encounters being just the worst because they all gotta be like the Joker (and any and all other exes) who dumped her. This would not be that bad of an idea for her character, at least this version of her. Thing is though, it just doesn't work as a basis for a full movie. It could work for a single scene, perhaps recounting a scene that the viewers have already seen - but painting it in a completely over the top way when she narrates it, where every man looks really bad, while she looks as amazing as possible. This way, with viewers seeing the clear difference between what actually happened and how she narrates it, it would actually highlight her being heartbroken, angry and bitter towards Joker, and projecting those feelings onto every other man around her. But fuck that, that would make her into at least somewhat of a relatable character. Who needs that, when you can have *the message,* amirite?
That sort of warped perceptions-living euphemism kind of thing has been tried, in Suckerpunch. Another all-chick, action-heavy movie that was actually thought-through and fairly clever. And it bombed. The most common complaint I heard was 'it didn't make any sense.' It did, but it was (like I said) buried in warped perceptions and euphemisms; frankly, it was too smart for its audience.
Why does the feminist fantasy of the perfect woman, mimic to the "T", the stereotype of the alpha male...the same stereotype that they're always complaining is "toxic"?
Bad marketing, dumb woke articles, Ewan goin full feminist and critics falling over themselves for this movie, then take a look at who wrote and directed this movie - sounds like a winning formula to me! Is it really any wonder this movie flopped.
I agree... Ughh at Ewan, trying to be 'woke' - yet he recently cheated on his wife with a younger hotter woman (who's also in this movie), he can GTFO with his hypocritical feminism.
@@Raskolnikov70 Well if identity politics is all they have then there isn't room to make an actual film. Never mind things like a consistent plot, well written characters and arcs, or actually staying true to the source material. Nah, propaganda is better in their minds.
To quote Knuckles from Sonic Boom: “Anytime someone calls attention to the breaking of gender roles, it ultimately undermines the concept of gender equality by implying that this is an exception and not the status quo.”
Two the actual flying fuck did a animated echidna from a kids show about anthropogenic animals fighting a guy who builds robots and is called EGGMAN, manage to single handedly tell all feminist that they're dumb, WHILE TELLING AMY A BETTER FEMINIST ( a feminist with young povs) TO SHUT UP
Not really, people just think she's stupid, that's why she can get away with it, since compared to what Bane or Joker can cook up, she's just a child putting a whoopee cushion on her teachers seat (I mean have you read the comics? She's literally more of a side character)
@@nutsandbolts1264 yes, I have read comics. She's a side character most of the time, yes, but she is also a killer. A killer who has committed unforgivable crimes alongside of the Joker lmao but some people either ignore that fact simply because she's a woman, or they don't even know
@@turtlecat9445 It's more over the fact that they don't take her seriously, she's harmed alot of people, but all for joker, and in this movie (as horrible as it is) she's sorta fighting against other bad guys As compared to Punchline who actually is batshit insane, and straight up harms for pleasure
@@nutsandbolts1264 okay, but she's still basically a villain. Doesn't matter if it was "all for the Joker", that doesn't excuse her actions. I honestly don't understand stand the point of your comment, though. What are you trying to prove? That one villain is worse than the other? I already know that. The point of my comment is, that some people seen to forget that Harley Quinn is still a villain, despite some writers trying to push for the Venom and Deadpool route, which, in my opinion, doesn't work well for a character like Harley Quinn.
@@turtlecat9445 My point is that, Yes, there are worse villains, it's *Gotham* people are use to things like that, saying that Harley Quinn is a villain isn't really something to make a big deal about it There's still much worse than a girl with a hammer and other people who are crazy, and let's not forget that this is a work of fiction, Harley is more of an obviously fake character People don't make a big deal about it since it's not
Being from the DCEU, complete failure to create any hype, being R rated and the cast's insistence on calling it a feminist movie (when it's absolutely not) is why this movie lost to Sonic.
exactly !!! I watched these two movies and I swear to god that I was exited and intrigued by Sonic and was yawning and bored while watching Birds of prey
Star Trek, Star Wars, Dr Who, Terminator, Ghostbusters, Charlie's Angles went Woke: Did not meet earning potentials. Birds of Prey: "nah, it'll be fine..."
Reality is what hits you when walk out of the door .... But you have to actually do that once in a while for reality to hit ... That or live in your own created fantasy world until reality literally comes knocking at the front door with a repossession notice and a court summons.
@Harvey Dustin Every word in their current dictionary is a Doublespeak corruption of it ... Nothing new there ... Noble ideas and uplifting words are what cowards and power hungry manipulators have hidden behind since the dawn of your species. What gets me about this current lot is how poor they are at it, how shoddy, low rent and pathetic (in the classical sense) they are. Such an age where even the demagogues and would be tyrants are cheap, soulless plastic knockoffs
Harley: "I'm the one you should be afraid of! Not Joker!" *Joker gets his own movie that successed* Harley: "Oh... Well, you should still be afraid of me more than Joker!" *Joker gets added to Mortal Kombat 11* Harley: "Well... You should still be afraid of me in general..." *Birds of Prey movie fails* Harley: "I'M F**KING OUT OF HERE!!!"
Toby Brinkhouse yea, his design is pretty cool too, he has a Heath ledger face makeup with mark hamill arkham games hair and Troy baker physique, mk11 did joker more justice than Harley did in this movie
@@JonathanGaeta Yeah, they tried using incredibly deceitful tactics to sabotage 'Sonic''s box- office performance before it even premiered, but they failed, and 'Sonic' completely spanked 'Turds of Prey' in the box- office. Truly a case of good triumphing over evil.
It`s hilarious how this movie preaches about a man stealing a woman`s work, when that's exactly what Birds of Prey is doing: it's a movie riding on the coattails of popular male characters in the DC universe, starring a character who is only popular because of her relationship to a much bigger male character.
plus, it makes no sense. Part of the sick tragedy of Harley Quinn is how she is solely defined by him, driven insane my her misplaced love and willing to do and put up with horrific things to gain his praise. To quote the Arkham games, "This makes her another one of Joker's victims, abiet a very dangerous one." Plus, the whole thing about Joker stealing the credit is bs. Joker's such a dangerous villain because HIS plans are unique to him alone. Only he knows what his next goal will be, how depraved it is, and how to accomplish it in ways not even batman can predict. And what makes is worse is that he's good at it, with the consequences often being devastating, even if he's beaten by batman at the end. Harley is a lapdog at best. The idea of her coming up with the plans is laughable. You want a female mastermind? go watch queen's gambit (I've heard its good)
@@hollowshield2315 Absolutely. This is the sort of stuff people are complaining about when they talk about "forced" diversity and "forced" gender pandering. It's not that there's a woman in charge, it's that the direction of the work makes zero sense and has clearly been warped entirely around the genders of the character. It's a bad story, and it is bad BECAUSE they cared more about pushing a gender message than they did about writing a good story or respecting any of the characters. Like you said, when a story with strong female characters in the lead comes out that's GOOD, like Queen's Gambit, all those alleged "hordes of sexist racist manchildren" are nowhere to be found and the series gets overwhelming support. It's all corporate PR bullshit, pure and simple: "if we call critics sexist or racist, and cherry-pick a few shitty comments from trolls (or write their own) to 'prove' it, we can bully anyone who doesn't like, buy, and vocally support our shoddy product!" Imagine if other industries worked like that, like you bought a chair on Amazon and it fell apart so you gave it a one-star review and suddenly Jeff Bezos was in the news calling you an entitled bigot, and a bunch of half-wits were clapping him on and insisting the falling-apart chair had wonderfully subverted everyone's expectations about sitting down and that all chairs from now on should fall apart.
na come on, this is not true. she was in a full cast of males but her character standed out for good reasons : she was feminine, in love, technically didn’t hurt anybody in the su.cide squad, she was funny, she was relatable and touching with her love story. there was a huge hype for her, and her particularly after the movie. that’s why they did this film here, but ofc they couldn’t just keep it that way, and had to rewrite everything that made her interesting to force their propaganda. this is another story though
@@crimberlies She's just honestly a really hard sell. Sad to say she's interesting BECAUSE of her fucked-up relationship to the Joker. When they try to sell her as some kind of relatable role model instead of a victim, she just loses what makes her interesting. She just sort of becomes a lol-so-randum type character, and they're rarely interesting on their own because she is just so loud and in your face non-stop. It's draining. What she needs, if they want to sell her as more of a relatable role-model type character, is to put her beside a more dry and grounded character in a buddy-buddy type movie. It's why Harlequinade, the BTAS episode where she and Batman team up, or Harley's Holiday, where she accidentally commits a crime and ends up on an adventure with the daughter of that psychotic general, are so good, because they give her much more serious characters to play off of. Hell, Harlequinade has one of the funniest moments with her ever: she's just going completely bonkers, Robin asks "what was she before she went crazy?" and Batman just very matter-of-factly answers "A criminal psychologist" hahaha
"The script is actually kind of an interesting insight into the minds of present-day feminism when you think about it: a protagonist that's self-destructive, narcissistic, violent, unstable, selfish, and refuses to take responsibility for her actions, lashing out at the world where every single man is portrayed as the enemy." Critical Drinker (10th of February 2020) Outstanding!
I don't know who is really the guy behind the critical drinker alias.. But for sure this guy knows how to write things that make sense. Did you remember his conclusion when reviewing The star war sequels trilogy? Awesome!
Women do need to be careful they don't buy it,, a man will mentally dismantle a woman in seconds and she wont know she's even been mentally dismantled.
Most DC animated stuff has actually been better than the live action versions. If DC just did essentially live action remakes of their animated stuff they could be making quite a bit of money. Ever since the Batman Animated Series DC has done a pretty good job of putting out fairly mature, good quality content. It's one of the few bright spots in the DC/WB partnership.
Thats because Paul Dini did it and he was the creator of Harley. He knew who she was supposed to be. Not a manic pixie girl/Deadpool, but a victim of the Joker as well as a huge threat herself.
I went to see _Sonic The Hedgehog_ in the theater less than a week before the Governor locked down the state. Though I admittedly went at a bad time and the viewing was understandably low (early on a Monday), purely out of curiosity I stuck my nose in the unattended door of the screening room next door for _Harley Quinn._ And I was tickled to see that not only did _Sonic_ have far more audience in it for the time of day I went, but _Harley Quinn_ had _no one_ in the seats- the movie was literally playing to _an empty room._ (I wonder where the projectionists went off to, that they didn't just turn it off? Or maybe whoever bought a ticket had walked out before I stuck my nose in?)
Says you! You Cis white male that needs to check his privilege and stop being so threatened by all these strong women!! Did I say that right? Gotta practice, I live a short drive from Portland Oregon and Seattle so it’s only a matter of time before these sjws are marching around and building concentration camps like socialist/fascists that came before.
It's even sweeter because the butthurt 'Turds of Prey' SJW fanatics tried to sabotage the 'Sonic' movie before it even premiered by posting a bunch of fake reviews of it on social media claiming that it contained racist and/ or homophobic content (Again, the movie had not even premiered yet when they started doing that) and saying that they then took their kids to 'Turds of Prey' instead and had a much better time. In spite of that incredibly deceitful tactic, 'Sonic' still managed to completely crush 'Turds of Prey' in the box office. Truly a case of good triumphing over evil.
I just don't understand why people glorify Harley Quinn, I mean just because she's no longer with Joker doesn't mean she's a good person, she still did a lot of bad shit in the Joker's service that's not just going to go away because she finally leaves him. People have long memories.
Batman and Harley Quinn covered that nicely. In that version Harley has become a waitress at a super herion/villaness themed restaurant because nobody except pron production companies want to hire her. So she's stuck working as a waitress until she agrees to help batman who pulls some strings for her. Her iob at the end is hilarious, she hosts a Japanese style game show where the prize is free therapy sessions It's the movie where she bangs nightwing lol
“Harley was the mastermind behind the Jokers plans.” Heath Ledger: How bout a magic trick? I’m going to make this movie disappear, TADA!! it’s...it’s gone..
Jesus Christ help me. In DC comics as far as I known Harlwy was depicted as a lackey, little nobody for Joker to kick around and now she is the mastermind. She was so bonded to him that ahe wouldn't be able to change a tampon without him.
You know, they never say she was the master mind behind all his crimes. Just that she planned some crimes that the joker took credit for, and was sick of being the side kick.
Joker is a man without plans, black canary words is invalid. And i think harley quinn can't help but falling in love with joker and can't move on since she's a hard case of Stockholm syndrome. This movie it's like a children fighting over a favourite red power ranger
This is the kind of thing that I hate about these movies, at least in marvel it makes a little sence that other characters won't get involved in other characters plots, and most of the time they have an excuse, but here? Is like scucide squad, you have superman, wonder woman, batman, and you chose to send a bunch of criminals to stop an intergalactic wizard? What?
I'll never forgive them for what they did to Cassandra Cain. The daughter of the two most dangerous assassins alive (David Cain and Lady Shiva), a mute fighter who is able to read body movements so precisely that she can tell if someone is lying to her by their breathing. Someone so dangerous that Bruce himself admitted that Cassandra would likely kill him if they fought hand to hand. Not to mention she has the coolest fucking Batgirl suit that makes her look like a literal phantom. Instead, we got edgy Rose Tico.
the people who made this probably didn't do research..just looked up random dc characters' names then *pooof* make up a character background from shit.
I’d love to see this movie with the gender roles reversed. Watching the media meltdown over how sexist it is would of been hilarious. No one would ever dare to do it though. Just imagine…
Exactly, no actual reference to the source material. Hell even character designs themselves don't look like their comic counterparts. Its no wonder DCU has failed so hard.
Joker is a nemesis to Batman, is a mastermind of crime, and it was portrayed as a sad looser with a 6 shooter, who can arrested off screen by a cop... and "everyone" loved that.
@@nofarsheli9378 it was his origin story you moron he was shown to be diabolical and a quick thinker when he snatch that one book from the psychiatrist or when he changed clothes... and i can't emphasize this enough: it was a damn origin story he literally has about 20 years of gaining experience before he takes on the bat
@@FitchTV People have always been fascinated with villains. We want to know how they got there because we're all a few bad choices away from being one. But what bugs me is when people pretend to be offended by something just to get what they want. In this case, they want to make female starring movies with feminist messages more popular than male starring movies with less political messages.
FitchTV He’s referring to how cuckbag leftards think Joker is going to somehow incite violence. All the while this movie exists with senseless violence turned up to 11 and it’s completely fine because the main characters have snatches.
Well cause joker had crazy ideas to destroy everday people and create anarchy but harley was a sidekick who just wanted to follow joker. She didn't kill innocent people or children but joker doesn't care if it is a child or adult. I guess only thing he will stop is rape? Idk. John wick and dexter were killers you don't see people complain about them cause they are actually good people who are happened to be killers lol
It would be refreshing if a fight scene with a small female character was choreographed to reflect how they would be able to contend against larger stronger enemies using weapons, agility, and creativity. A good start would be to mimic some of the creative Jackie Chan fights against large powerful enemies.
Right that has been shown before...that girl from Kick-ass for example...Kill-Bill...or the SW Clone Wars Season 1 : It gives good examples about how someone with 2 to 5 less weight can get heavier enemies down. But on the other hand, as you say, it would require creativity. A thing Birds of Prey's moviemakers seem to have been in shortage of.
The only equalizer you'd have for someone the size of Robbie is weapons. That's why it makes sense for Harley to always be using something, she would get smoked in a fistfight even against a slightly burly woman.
@@totalmetaljacket789 Yes and that's weird why firearms seem to be absent from that movie...after all it's not like the makers would dismiss extreme violence as unfit, right ? xd.
I think Atomic Blonde generally achieves this. There might be a little bit of suspending your belief but in general it's believable. Charlize Theron is never straight overpowering the men she's fighting.
As a young woman who isnt a feminazi, I’m really over all these “feminist” movies. They don’t represent me either, and I’m supposed to be the target audience 🤦♀️
13:20~ "The script is actually kind of an interesting insight into the minds of present-day feminism when you think about it ---- a protagonist that's self-destructive, narcissistic, violent, unstable, selfish, and refuses to take responsibility for her actions, lashing out at the world where every single man is portrayed as the enemy. Talk about a product of its time." (SIGH)
Yup, the problem is they unite a bunch of heros with a villain for "feminisim". Sharing a vagina shouldn't matter when Harley is doing crap like shooting up a police station and otherwise doing selfish crap for the sake of being selfish. Everyone who has a grudge against Harley has a complete legit reason for hating Harley. She's a total arsehole in her own movie. Her suddenly being the person we're suppose to be 'routing for' at the end makes no sense.
@@RubyXOmakeup agreed! Well said! When you think about who Harley actually is and how shes been portrayed depending on whos making it. Makes you think whether any research was done in making this character. Shes always been mental with a charismatic warm side that can be reached with reason. What we got was a mess, a teenager with serious issues.
It's not feminism! How often do I have to say it? It's shallow, self-indulgent people who think they can "fake it" well enough to attract their precious progressive, liberal, feminist audience. Spoiler alert: they can't.
Remember when over-the-top movies about female action heroes didn't feel it was necessary to shove afterschool-special-level messages about social justice down their audience's throat? Pepe Farms remembers.
I found the fight scenes with Harley Quinn to be..."believeable" enough. But Black Canary, Montoya, and Huntress clearly didn't even receive any kind of fight training, or STAGE fight training for that matter. Their punches look so awkward.
Mary Elizabeth Winstead had done fight choreography before in scott pilgrim vs the world and she was great plus she's done ballet before. The problem is more likely that this movie didn't put much effort into her choreography because she has such a small and quite frankly useless part in the movie.
Well, in the comics, Black Canary is one of the DC universe's premiere martial artists. She hardly ever uses her sonic scream because it's so destructive. Of course, this character doesn't bear much resemblance to the Black Canary of the comics.
Imagine if we got a movie where we see Harley's downfall and progression to joining Joker, as well as a look at their abusive relationship in a movie similar to "Joker" Instead we got this.
"She's like a bout of explosive diarrhea. She's tolerable, maybe even kind of fun in small doses, but 109 minutes of her without relief just become a pain in the arse." Yup, same exact description of some women I know.
@@onedoes1471 i dont fucking rember seeing Joker in the film throw Harley of building thats was on the very last floor and the only reason she survived was because she landed on garbage and the GCPD found her bleeding a lot no i fucking rember his goon just throwing her of the door and telling her dont come back because thats how Joker breaks up or cuts tie he kills those people he doesnt give a flying fuck about human life not even his own he only cares about Batman which is showen amazingly in the Harely Quinn show
And motherfucking Harley Quinn breaks up with Joker for using her ideas?! Sorry but that is in no way aligned with Harley’s character, what’d be more fitting is if she fell for him even harder for using HER ideas. Which means that the whole reason why Joker isn’t in the movie is because the writers especially felt like fulfilling their fan fiction desires.
After hating Birds of Prey and Suicide Squad, I was pleasantly surprised by the animated series! It was actually funny, had a good plot, and I loved the art style.
@MrAJEO But we don't because it's not worth taking seriously. The man-hating feminists are very loud and obnoxious, but they're a small minority among women in my experience. Even other women don't like them because they know that you can't elevate women by tearing down men--that only creates a race to the bottom that no rational person wants. The fact that man-hater movies keep under-performing and/or outright bombing is a sign of their irrelevance. Even Captain Marvel under-performed considering its position in the MCU.
Here's the thing everyone's been through a breakup it's really not that special and lots of people have left abusive situations as well. This is basically a 109 minute movie where you watch someone who is highly self-destructive and unstable childishly get over a breakup. In turn she's entirely defined by her breakup instead of by herself. She's still being defined by the relationship she had.
Exactly. I'm surprised that anyone else thought about this or that this comment don't have any more likes. I might say that if you want to portrait someone as strong and over the relationship, you portrait them as not giving à damn about their ex. She still use clown related gadgets, blow up the place when they dated and she's still hateful toward him. When you're over someone, you just don't care about that person anymore, no matter what they say or do. She's portrayed as if he gave her à call, she will run back to him without questions. She's still in the relationship without being in the relationship and look like someone who's still spitefull to have been dumped. So all mens are obviously evil and ennemies because she's still hurting badly to have been dumped. She make me think about one of my Ex, that was trying to have a reaction in doing all kinds of nonsense. She was more angry that I didn't give her any attention than anything else because I didn't care about her anymore and it was hard for her ego. Edit 2: english isn't my language.
They've ruined the character of Harley Quinn. What once was a interesting take on an abused and co-dependant, yet competent and quirky villainess has now become a wall-breaking feminasty parody. Sad, and wasteful.
i liked the harley quinn from the 90's bat man cartoons when i was a kid. i even thought suicide squad was mediocre mainly because of harley. but when i first saw a preview for birds i knew it was going to be terrible shite. the industry has been on a steady bury itself in the ground trend for years and the preview didnt help. the whole point of a preview is to entice an audience, not alienate it, i thought. though the current - i dont know what to call them - movie brains? have me currently confused. the whole woke thing has been proven to fail unless there is actually a compelling script, etc. along with it.people seem to care more about a good, entertaining film more than political narratives and an insistence on divisive marketing techniques. i am confused in that i thought their main directive was to make as much money as possible. for years it seems the opposite. like they want to lose money? are they delusional? are they so far withdrawn from actual audiences that they dont understand their losing fans and popularity?
This movie tried to mimic "Deadpool" but forgot that the main character actually undergoes *change* through the film - the character of Wade Wilson starts off as an unhinged loon who only wants to do crazy shit for money, meets a girl, becomes infatuated with her and then gets cancer: from there he goes to extraordinary lengths to cure his cancer without becoming an undue burden to her, gets mixed up in crazy human experiments and goes on a rampage of revenge before finally reuniting with her after realizing that she will accept him as he is. Quinn doesn't undergo any kind of self discovery - she starts as psycho who believes that she doesn't need anyone else and pretty much ends the same way...
@@FrankCastle-tq9bz And frankly, the way Deadpool treats the kid in the second movie is much better than the way Harley treats Cassandra in this one. Deadpool goes out of his way to protect the boy even though he probably shouldn't be, risking his skin against the odds at all times. Harley tries selling Cassandra out as soon as things get rough, and only tries to save her when it's clear that won't work for her.
In the comics Poison Ivy gave her some serum that amplified her natural physical abilities. There's actually a part in her solo comics where Harley runs low on it and freaks out. So due to Poison Ivys serum she's actually stronger and faster than she already was as a person who went to university on a gymnastics scholarship. In the movies tho? I dunno.
Harley Quinn works a lot better as a supporting character in other films or shows like Batman and Suicide Squad. And while the cartoon show managed to pull off Harley Quinn doing her own thing as a major character, it still had to go the 'Rick & Morty' route with the meta and deconstruction in order to make it work. To do a live-action film set in the DCEU with her as the main character, it was bound to fail.
you forgot the most important thing: where the FUCK is batman while the whole town is going to hell? I mean, in SS at least they do us a favor to show that even when the movie it’s about the bad people, the hero is still around to see what they are doing
I was thinking that to especially when ace blew up anything happens there his right onto it and even if he is not there one of the bat family would have if there in this universe
Batman is a man so he obviously can't save the day (Even though he's Gotham's hero) because that would singlehandedly invalidate every female in the world.
I remember going to a comic con a few years ago, and like every third girl there was dressed up as Harley Quinn. Then I had a Facebook who every day would post several Harley Quinn themed memes an hour all day long... almost as if she actually believed herself to be that person. I always enjoyed the character, but have grown tired how she has been coopted by so many people that think liking her or identifying with her somehow makes them more interesting.
This is why black canary from justice league unlimited is the best iteration. Even though she’s an expert martial artists she still takes hits and has trouble beating people outside her weight class, her strength is that she refuses to stay down and keeps fighting. That plus her character is just better, gives the show really good execution.
Exactly. I can Believe she could take out two grown man in hand to hand combat. But not effortlessly. Numbers, plus a difference in muscle mass leads me to believe she's be hit a few times.
@@josephnewsome2935 Funny, Drinker didn't seem to have a problem with her being black. In fact, he never even mentioned it, possibly because her race has no bearing on anything. He said she was the only thing in the movie that stood out because she was the only character with an arc. So why do YOU have a problem with it? Gee, I can't possibly imagine.
Actually, Black Canary, while horribly miscast in this movie, is a very competent fighter. She's not superhuman except for her sonic scream. She's also never lost a fight to Batman.
When did action blockbusters become lectures from our old unmarried aunt. "I'M NOT GONNA LET A MAN TAKE CREDIT FOR A WOMAN'S WORK" This is... entertaining somehow?
@@MoffatLee Unfortunately most people still don't realize this is the reason for all the wokeness in TV shows and movies, and the reason that no matter how bad they fail in the box office, it will continue to get worse and worse. Marxism/Communism is the future for everyone.
The movie that empowered women so hard that it turned one of the best female fighters and fascinating characters in DC into a poorly acted pickpocket with no fighting ability whatsoever.
I also noticed that BIRDS OF PREY really hedged its bets when it came to the race angle. Yes, three of the five female leads were non-Caucasian...but not only is the biggest star yet another Nordic blond woman who's been bleached with chemicals to look even whiter, but they got Mary Elizabeth Winstead - who's almost as pasty-faced as Harley is - for the role of Helena Bertinelli, an olive-skinned Sicilian-American girl. They even got a much swarthier younger actress to be Helena in the flashback scenes just to show how hard they were hedging.
Look how they massacred my waifu Black Canary. I liked her in the cartoons and she was my go to in Injustice 2 when my friend and i played on his PlayStation.
@@laoaidan2400 Yeah, they blackwashed Black Canary and turned every female into unrecognizable, unnatractive hags just to spite us males, fuck this movie
@@laoaidan2400 mein bruder this isn't the anime community, so while i understand your frustrations please do not use the term "waifu" on a discussion about comic book movies or you'll make all of us look like weebs.
Harley Quinn is now like every other female character that we see in movies: an unstoppable killing machine with the physique of Tinker Bell, the balls of man with elephantiasis, and the politics of a twitter feminist. This Hollywood trope has become as common as treatment-resistant strains of the coronavirus in China's public restrooms.
Remember when the Joker in the Batman trilogy was a physically weak and rather unimposing guy? Like he should be? He'd never win a fair fight against most people. He acts by being manipulative, evil, unpredictable, and blowing shit up, and not just by his own...instead of going on a 1 man boxing spree. Same with the Joaquin Joker movie. Here, Arthur was another character who was physically not imposing, quite the opposite, he was meek, barely had any meat on his bones, he was fearful, anxious, manic, schizophrenic, really not all that likeable, but at the same time you could identify with him on some level... These terrible movies on the other hand just take a rig model and slap a new skin on it every time. Every one of them has a similar character trait. No one is really interesting. Compare that to the MCU characters, who, while rather shallow, all have a very clear silhouette and motivations, as well as story arcs...and you see why this is just a poor attempt at copying fame...still. After all these years. No lessons learned. They're gonna reboot and remake their "cinematic universe" a few more times before eventually calling it quits...hopefully. Try again in 10 years, maybe you've grown by then and actually have a plan.
13:19 _The script is actually kind of an interesting insight into the minds of present day feminism when you think about it. A protagonist that's, self destructive, narcissistic, violent, unstable, selfish, and refuses to take responsibility for her actions, lashing out at a world where every single man is protrayed as the enemy? Talk about a product of it's time_ In every video there's always at least one paragraph like this that always makes me grin ear to ear because of just how accurate it is. You really have a way with words!
ukpauliogazzio That's basically _Stupid Juvenile Whiner_ Tactics: 1. Turn brain off (Stupid) 2. Have a tantrum (Juvenile) 3. Complain about bullshit issues no one gives a fuck about (Whine) 4. Ad hominem fallacy -- Call everyone else toxic/offensive and scream insults at everyone who disagrees (Bully) 5. Never take responsibility -- blame others 6. Always lie 7. Double down 8. Anyone having their own independent **opinion** is automatically and magically "wrong" -- just because 9. Everyone else is assumed and presumed guilty; can't prove their innocence 10. Can't come up with anything original; have to hijack existing things created by others 11. Too stupid to understand there is a _spectrum_ between hating, disliking, neutral, liking, and loving something; treats dismissive bullshit duality fallacy excuse _Haters gonna hate_ as gospel
Harley: *Kills many workers of a chemical plant and pollutes the atmosphere with an untold amount of toxic gas clouds" Critics: "Wow she's such a powerful woman!"
Its basically a big meme portraying the silly shenanigans women do when they get hurt, instead of walking away and doing something good with themselves. She is a clown after all.
You really think they'll care? Think about how Captain Marvel beating up and robbing a man who tells her to smile is portrayed in a positive light. Think about the she-Hulk revenge fantasy where the white male prison guard lies dead on the driver's seat because he dares to be white and to be escorting a rapist to prison. SJWs are, to me, very sociopathic, misanthropic and law-flaunting people who care nothing but their agenda and domination. Sauron at least get style, these people? They're just pathetic. Pathetic and evil like the new generation "heroes" they portray and stuff down our throats.
Cassandra Cain in the comics: Lithe, trained as an assassin since birth with a compelling story and moral quandaries that makes her (in my opinion) the best batgirl Movie Cassandra Cain: Gender Bent Shortround
Comic victor zsasz: intimidating, smart, capable psychopath, that has little to no empathy, whose scratches are arranged perfectly to represent tally marks of all the people he has killed Victor zsasz in the movie: department store mannequin with paper-cuts on face.
I loved harley Quinn when I was little because I thought her character was a great representation of Stockholm syndrome and she had depth now she is basically one dimensional.
Good call. I recently rewatched the classic 'Batman: The Animated Series' episode "Mad Love" for the first time in decades, and LOVED the fact that it, a 22- minute episode of an animated TV show aimed at kids and made 25 years ago, offered a more realistic and well- written portrayal of an abusive relationship than so many brainless SJW movies and TV shows aimed at adults today (Including this movie) have.
Dk Soulstice it’s a shame too cause I like the actress and she did fine in suicide squad despite it being...well suicide squad. But hey the price of fame clouds ones ego I guess.
They didn't really have to try though tbh. She's already unlikeable and insufferable. Imagine that voice and personality coming out of an ugly fat girl's mouth. See? Fucking unbearable, right?
the thing with the john wick guy being brought in to do the action scenes is hilarious... its like the hollywood equivalent of a "strong, independent" woman needing a man to open a jar of pickles for her...
Cathryn Bigelow (one of at least some) is probably heavily drinking here and now just to forget that she could be associated with those pathetic excuses of a Female director.
@Ricky Shiffer Yes I've learned she was a competent sculptor too... . Tl-dr, in any time, and any society, we probably will find women who are far more valuable than the poor caricatures of glass-built-yet-strong-and-independant victims last-wave feminists / SJWs try to put all women into...
This follows up with the reason for why I hate women; they're so irrational, and I'm a woman...makes me ashamed to be one, but then I also know if I was just like them, I'd be supporting them.
@@amberslahlize7961 Well though not all women are probably not born irrational-prone (confer your own example), still our actual kind of education / culture surely doesn't help mental stability and reliability...
@@amberslahlize7961 As a woman i agree, i often feel ashamed of being a woman. So many irrational women/girls out there, feminists of course. The future doesn't look bright...
11:55 "She's like a bout of explosive diarrhea, she's tolerable, maybe even kind of fun in small doses, but a 109 minutes of her without relief just becomes a pain in the arse!" Drinker, thou hast the soul of a true poet.
Not to go there buuuut I'm totally going there! It was all the funnier for me because I was dropping logs while watching this. Made my friggin night. Was worried the family would hear me laughing hysterically from the bathroom and come investigate.
Margot Robbie always seems smug to me, a bit like Brie Larson. Where's the poise and charm of stars like Helena Bonham Carter, Linda Hamilton, Sigourney Weaver or Helen Mirren in superhero movies? Instead we get "hard hitting" barbie dolls who just aren't convincing as badasses (except Elizabeth Olsen, who I adore!)
Remember how in T2, Sarah Connor used improvised weapons and went for vulnerable spots to overcome HOSPITAL ORDERLIES? She wasn't going toe to toe with professional killers
She worked out. Fought smart. She also didnt shove down our throats how she was a woman every five fucking seconds. Jesus what happened to heroes like her? Why did they become like This??
@@insulam821 Modern ultra- feminist SJWs (Like the ones involved in this movie) despise women who become mothers, viewing them as "Selling out to the patriarchy" or something.
@@Adamguy2003 They wouldn't like Ripley in "Aliens" then or any other female character who protects their children from harm and danger in the most epic way possible
@@insulam821 Yeah, that's part of the point. Sarah Connor was enraged, strong, and experienced, and even then had to fight really dirty to win. It's not a bad thing. It's more impressive to see your heroes struggle than to watch them high-kick air and yet somehow still win.
@Scott Whatever No Harley Quinn toys? www.amazon.com/harley-quinn-Toys-Games/s?k=harley+quinn&rh=n%3A165793011 It cost me $77.90 for a Suicide Squad Harley Quinn. Amazon are selling Birds of Prey Harley Quinn. But I'm not interested in "less male gaze-y" crazy bitch. I save money to order a fully integrated AI version. I have given my specific requirement to my vendors. The AI android better be sexually appealed, or I'm going to sue them. Hahahaha.
@@justinm2697 Hmmm. Ok. How about this? "Medicom's Suicide Squad: Harley Quinn MAF EX Figure, an action figure based on Margot Robbie's performance in the Suicide Squad film, was April's best-selling toy. DC Collectibles had six products in the top ten: the Harley Quinn: Red White and Black Statue by Jim Lee at #2, the DC Icons: Wonder Woman Action Figure at #3, the DC Comics Bombshells: Raven Statue at #4, the Harley Quinn: Red White and Black Injustice 2 Statue at #7, the DC Icons: Deathstroke Action Figure at #8, and the DC Designer Series: Starfire by Amanda Conner Statue at #9." www.previewsworld.com/Article/194032-Top-25-Toys-April-2017 www.geek.com/culture/toy-tuesday-the-best-dc-universe-toys-1807208/
@@stormryder4305 Top lists mean nothing. Browsing over the first link, it says the list is compiled from sales at comic book stores. Also, coming at the top of a sales list means nothing. It doesn't cite how many how many units have been sold, it simply ranks the sales. Ditto for the second link. It is only talking about top DC toys and once again doesn't mention units sold. For all I know unit sales could be 1000 or less.
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uhm is it just at my end that the video is sometimes scrambled
Love how you sneakily recommended, "Snatch."
The male power fantasy is to become a hero and save the day. The female power fantasy is to be the villain and to get away with it.
@@darknessviking same
Ironic that the Joker kicked her ass ,at the box office.This is what id expect form a side kick getting their own movie,Not like id be itrested in seeing a Nightwing /Robin movie or one about Batmans butler Alfred.
"Cassandra shits out the diamond and the movie ends."
Warner bros +DC, 2020 😒
Is that for real? That's how the movie ends, lol
@@RRRRRRRRR33 drinker (🖤) at around the 8min mark...!
sry, spoilers i guess 😅😁
@@Sin-kj9qt oh man, lol it looks like when I read about the emperor shooting lighting bolts to the sky in the recent star wars movie, I had to download a "Chinese version" to see it, because it sounded unbelievable. Now I will have to that again... Shitting diamonds... Damn
I seem to remember another movie where a crucial character swallows a diamond. Oh yeah, and a squeaky toy!! That character was a lot smarter and potty trained, though. He also had better lines.
"Do you know what Nemesis means? A righteous infliction of retribution, manifested by an appropriate agent, personified in this case, by a horrible bunch of cunts! Them!"
Only OnePunchMan pulled a god mode which everyone love.
Remember how Joker was criticized because it glorifies violence? But when Harley Quinn does it...
Ugh... the double standard hits hard
Jędrzej Dumania It's only when it's serious that it's a problem. I'm not being sarcastic there. In John Wick or Birds of Prey, it doesn't really matter, because it's not really pushing any kind of violent agenda intentionally or unintentionally. As much as I liked Joker and feel that it doesn't glorify violence, because it treats its world and setting seriously, there will always be criticism for that because it has more potential to be meaningful to the outside world.
@Jędrzej Dumania Ok, come on.
No one ever levelled this criticism at any Marvel movie before this point, and plenty of fans levelled it at Man of Steel.
Joker actually does explain why Arthur goes down that path which can be seen as a glorification of violence, whereas all other comic book movies simply use violence without any thought or impact.
There is a very clear distinction between those two and pretending this is another instance of “SJW BAD” is simply hypocritical.
Rodycaz I know John Wick has long hair, but he's not a woman...
Even a critic like Chris Stuckman had to point out this very hypocrisy from other critics 🙋
I'm happy and surprised that a movie about a blue hedgehog trying to find his rings to go to mushroom land defeated this movie
Mushroom?
I think we're all happy.
Hawk Talon I can agree
leon
HOLLOW NANO yes
I love how DC/WB's deliberate attempts to create long-running franchises have largely been failures, while a movie intended as just a one-off throwaway film (Joker) ended up being their biggest critical and commercial hit.
Am I the only one to consider Margo Robbie an overrated actress who fell in love and became famous for her nude in the movie The Wolf of Wall Street ?
@@ВіталійКовач-г8ч No I basically agree, people like her because she's hot. She's average at best with regards to actually acting. She was pretty good as Harley in Suicide Squad (I haven't watched the trainwreck reviewed in this video) but, let's face it, quirky manic-pixie girl is the low hanging fruit of female roles. Cara Delevingne (June Moon) was a much more impressive actor in that movie as far as performance goes.
You'd think that would've taught them something, but no...
I find it hilarious and sad that Aquaman. AQUAMAN is DC's highest grossing film. BvS didn't do it, Justice League wished it could but no, Aquaman did because it's a solid movie with a likable hero
@@Arcademan09 yeah likeable is a word i would not use
You know, That giant chemical explosion would have also been a great way to get Batman to come down and stomp your ass too. But I guess that's not in the script either.
wouldn't batman be on her and try to stop that from happening even before, or even be on her ass within 10 minutes b/cwhy would he ignore this.
No guys, no. You just don't get it. It's a strong womanly film made by and for strong women. So naturally all the men are loud brutish idiots that couldn't possibly suspect a woman of doing such things. Batman clearly thinks Joker blew up the chemical plant, so their having a fight about it off screen. Or Batman is at home washing his tights, one of the two.
He's spending time with Rachel oh wait
wasn't batman really trying to rehabilitate harley tho? he was an integral part in getting her away from mr. j, and more important where is ivy?
@@mongol33t Oof.
"staffed by the dumbest most incompetent cops on the planet."
Well it is Gotham.
@Scott Whatever Replace "Gotham" with "London" and it works perfectly.
@@StevieB8363 Now be fair, those London coppers are pretty good at twitter browsing.
@@Soridan Indeed! No tweet goes unpunished!
Stabbings and rapes however, somehow slip under the radar.
@@StevieB8363 Oh no, no, no! The radar picks them up alright, it's the carpet they go under.
@@Soridan ROFL!
“She’s like a bout of explosive diarrhea. She’s tolerable, maybe even kind of fun in small doses, but 109 minutes of her without relief just becomes a pain in the arse.”
Oh, Drinker! You are a maestro among wordsmiths! My day is brighter just knowing you’re giving your adult beverage of choice lubricated reviews!
Quote of the year
Super easy barely an inconvenience for drinker😂
Arguably the most well crafted insightful joke on UA-cam.
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Jesus lads, it’s not that funny. Pull your noses out of his rectum for fucks sake.
Thing is, you can't actually separate Harley from Joker's reputation. She rides off the Joker's fame because he was the one who manipulated and brainwashed her to become Harley in the first place. Trying to turn her into an independent woman makes as much sense as Batwoman trying to justify Batman taking all the credit away from her image while she runs around in a modified hand-me-down suit of his.
As a woman I tend to enjoy recent movies with male protaganists and often relate to them more than female protaganists. The reason being that in todays age movie makers, most often female writers/directors etc, make the female protaganists so OP, perfect and boring that I want them to lose while the male protaganists are actual characters I can root for.
You dropped this 👑
Stop being a pick me
@@slee2167 what is a "pick me" im genuinely confused?
@@slee2167 Yall be really corny as hell saying that to women who happen to have different opinions from the crowd of oestrogen.
Edit; kinda misogynistic of you 💀
@@slee2167 you are not a clown, you are the entire circus
When the "bad guys" are weak, it's hard to make the "heroes" strong.
Yes, unfortunately a common recipe in bad action/fantastic/sci-fi movies now : take bland, uninteresting, inconsistent main characters, how try to make them look bad-ass : easy, just water-down the enemies.
As you said, it doesn't work.
The "bad guy" should've been just Batman. Bruce is just a better candidate for someone like Harley to deal with. He's a beast in combat, and is cooler than black mask. Heck even WW is a good "villain", even though she's OP. Missed opportunity imo.
Switch out canary or huntress for Catwoman and poison ivy. Remove the kid entirely. Have 4 sexy DC females trying to make a living, while batman is trying to stop them. Because he's batman.
@@herheartbeats5727 imagine if they did that in Doom.
@@MrREAPERsz At least for the Batman part I agree. Plus it might even give Harley and mates some sort of tragic sympathy, since well Batman is not that quid and rightful so his own "preys".
@@juliovictormanuelschaeffer8370 Irony sense tingling here ^^
Remember when we had films like Kill Bill and Alien that did strong female characters effortlessly??
*sighs
@ulhurusurf club Uma Thurman?
Real writers and directors do that sometimes.
In the past it was only a few movies. Now woke shit is everywhere.
That’s because Ripley wasn’t designed to be a male nor female character but...just a character. So she comes off as genuine in that way since she wasn’t designed to to be a man or woman. But just a good character.
Yes 😔😔😔
Being a woman myself and having been in a lot of all female fandom groups and thus seeing all sorts of fandom ladies, I think I know who the intended audience is for this film. It's the kind of woman who sees/hears about the film, says, "It's so cool that they have an all female cast in a Superhero movie! It makes me proud to be a woman." And then goes to think about other things without ever bothering to see the film. I don't think the studios took the second part into account.
Studios seem to overestimate the value of social media interactions. 1.000 fans making 20+ minute videos talking about their passion + 1.000 fans going on and on about their theories for where the characters will go next mean *a lot more* than 10.000 retweets, which are *free, limitless and take no time to do* . How much activism would we see if there was a daily limit of hashtags? If instagram had a subscription fee? If retweets costed a single cent? If to "like" a post you had to endure a harrowing 2 minutes marathon of captchas? Studios reboot and make sequels precisely because the existing fanbase gives their risk averse arses some assurance of a return of their investment, but then they hire activists whose confirmation biases make them misunderstand social media and not only do they canibalize the universe to pander to an entire new target audience, but they childishly double down on their activism by lashing out against criticism from the very fans that enabled the entire venture to begin with. It's even rougher on tv where "watching" means "watching *as it premiers* ", not "binge watch it one week later at 1.25 speed" and *that* implies commitment beyond what most social media activists are willing to put
They've a ready made excuse, as with this movie. Failure was the result of men/patriarchy. Which was the excuse for this movies financial failure. They blamed men for being sexist and not turning up to watch it.
A similar story, a famous feminist writer for a national newspaper was ranting about how female soccer players should get paid the same, mysogeny, patriarchy etc etc. The interviewer asked the obvious question, as pay is linked to viewers/attendance had the journo ever been to a female soccer game? Silence and sheepish 'no'.
Why did they blame men when the audience of this film was meant for women?
@@yurichtube1162 that's their easy way out,everytime something feminist fails,be it books,comics movies etc,the production team and feminists blame men for it,simply because they don't want to shatter the "perfect little angel" image of women and women related stuff and admit the shit they made is a souless cashgrab meant to appeal to twitter users,and as a woman,everytime this happens,i lose my faith in humanity a bit more
Many of writers nowdays forget that women are humans too with flaws and mistakes
"I'm not about to let a man take credit for a woman's work"
*Puts on her appropriated Batman suit and flies away*
Every man within earshot, -Yes, shes responsible, she did this (Batman disappearing acts all around).
Well, it's okay for her to take credit for what a man's done, because...you know..."the patriarchy".
David B “Fuck off Ruby Rose” -a drunken demoman
The thing that gets me is that the line is not even in show.
In the show she actually liked that Batman was taking all the credit. It wasn't until she fucked up that she realise that Batman would also get the blame for any mistakes she made. That's why she change the costume and took on the Batwoman name.
The line was added to the trailer for woke points.... And like... Why?
@@Magnet_Chaos Really? The people at cw must be on another level of stupidity then
The Critical Drinker: "I watched Birds of Prey so you don't have to"
*carefully, he's a hero*
Amen to that
The British Hero, lol
This is top comment material.
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Raise a glass to the drinker everyone!!🥃
What is with DC movies?
They range from borderline unwatchable to Oscar-worthy masterpieces.
Not QAing the scripts, projects, and staff and trend-chasing, mostly.
What Oscar-worthy masterpieces?
We've had exactly 1 and a half good ones.
@Aurelius
Oh, I thought we were just talking about the DCEU. Yeah, those seem to have gone over pretty well.
We've only had 2 masterpieces. The rest are shit to meh at best
They were chasing the money they had lost on Suicide Squad so they rushed a crap script with a big name.
Imagine a superhero movie getting absolutely annihilated at the box office by a hyperactive hedgehog.
Oh wait. That’s exactly what happened.
The biggest irony is that in spite of the claims that men wouldn't watch it because sexism, more men watched it than women. What was it, 58% in the first week?
What??? More guys went to watch a comic book based super hero movie than girls???? Color me shocked!!!!
I think it was actually 54%, but either way, close enough.
@@CaptainHightop I know right? It's almost as if the producers didn't quite understand their target demographics.
Some of the wa'man watching were ma'am 😁.
@050thugz kinda true...
But I'm just here, because I'm bored. :) Just igmore me.
Joker: A daring view into the mind of a mentally unhinged man, forgotten by society and driven to madness.
Harley Quinn: *snorts coke, kick guy in balls, funny spunk gargle weewee*
Okay.
Sonic: go fast, explode, be depressed
Snorts coke.......
Hooray for Zero Punctuation!
Let's all laugh at an industry that never learns anything tee-hee-hee.
"spunk gargle?" Did i miss a scene?
The trailers were foreshadowing what the movie was going to be like.
Just some guy without a mustache, we meet again
Yeah, not really a spoiler to say that it sucks. Poor drinker, what he suffers for the rest of us.
Whats up jellal/mystogan
weird
That means the trailers served their basic purpose. What a shock
Every time an 80 pound girl beats up a trained muscular man I count that as a plot hole
I can knock her out with one punch and she’ll be out, and I’m only 117 pounds
As with so much hitting the cinemas these days, I'll be watching this, rather than the film itself.
I decided to do the same thing. 👍
Seems most people do that anyway. Movie comes out-all opinions quoted straight from somebody's 10 minute critique.
I don’t watch a movie unless The Critical Drinker says l should
@@chris8534 Well, that's better than Cinema Sins, but haven't you ever watched a movie he hasn't reviewed yet?
Møons tbh movie making peaked with Smokey and the Bandit. No need to see any other movies unless the CriticalDrinker says so.
Imagine a sequel to Joker called "Harlequin" being a deep psychological thriller of Arthur Fleck slowly getting into the head of his nurse at Arkham Asylum, pushing her to commit worse and worse acts of defiance and gradually driving her mad, eventually breaking him out and going on a crime spree, or maybe not, maybe it's just a sick fantasy of hers.
Imagine how angry *they* will be when it does way better than Birds of Prey.
[EDIT 3 YEARS LATER] never mind I take it back.
Why are we not funding this?
Done right, it could be a great film.
I would watch the fuck out of that
I like it, but the twist is just cliched. "It was all just a dream" works when the subject is completely original. Seriously, it sounds like a great pitch for a film though.
@@glasstuna I was thinking more open ended where it could be interpreted that way
To remind everyone: this movie for adults was defeated by a _kids_ movie about a hedgehog.
Let that sink in.
atleast the kids movie is good
@@Hahar1992 and also, pretty much no one was hopeful for it because of being a videogame film.
Well what the hell does the sink want now?
@@yoshiprogames4728 The sink said it first and he was called a madman.
This movie is to childish to be for adults lol
When you were talking about Harley being an unreliable narrator, it dawned on me that every man being dumb and every girl being glorious could've been used to represent how she sees the world, with her being fabulous, while every man she encounters being just the worst because they all gotta be like the Joker (and any and all other exes) who dumped her.
This would not be that bad of an idea for her character, at least this version of her. Thing is though, it just doesn't work as a basis for a full movie. It could work for a single scene, perhaps recounting a scene that the viewers have already seen - but painting it in a completely over the top way when she narrates it, where every man looks really bad, while she looks as amazing as possible. This way, with viewers seeing the clear difference between what actually happened and how she narrates it, it would actually highlight her being heartbroken, angry and bitter towards Joker, and projecting those feelings onto every other man around her.
But fuck that, that would make her into at least somewhat of a relatable character. Who needs that, when you can have *the message,* amirite?
That sort of warped perceptions-living euphemism kind of thing has been tried, in Suckerpunch. Another all-chick, action-heavy movie that was actually thought-through and fairly clever. And it bombed.
The most common complaint I heard was 'it didn't make any sense.' It did, but it was (like I said) buried in warped perceptions and euphemisms; frankly, it was too smart for its audience.
Why does the feminist fantasy of the perfect woman, mimic to the "T", the stereotype of the alpha male...the same stereotype that they're always complaining is "toxic"?
Yep. They wouldn't know how to write a genuinely strong character if one reached up and bit them in their smelly unwiped asses.
Because when feminists rail against "toxic masculinity" they're doing it out of jealousy and bitterness that they're not men.
@SpaghettiandSauce ... fuck i can literally hear the feminists wails off this one
It's called "penis envy"...
Nah, it's ok when they do it apparently.
LMAO. "I'm not about to let a man take credit for a woman's work" - Batwoman. THE IRONY. THE AUDACITY.
She says as she's about to take over a man's identity and tech lmao
the temerity
Bad marketing, dumb woke articles, Ewan goin full feminist and critics falling over themselves for this movie, then take a look at who wrote
and directed this movie - sounds like a winning formula to me! Is it really any wonder this movie flopped.
I agree... Ughh at Ewan, trying to be 'woke' - yet he recently cheated on his wife with a younger hotter woman (who's also in this movie), he can GTFO with his hypocritical feminism.
It's almost like you can tell how bad a movie is going to be by the amount of woke people pushing it...
Its the Charlie's Angels of 2020.
@@Raskolnikov70 Well if identity politics is all they have then there isn't room to make an actual film. Never mind things like a consistent plot, well written characters and arcs, or actually staying true to the source material. Nah, propaganda is better in their minds.
@@TheCriticalDrinker It's only February, I'm sure Hollywood has a few more winners throughout the year.
To quote Knuckles from Sonic Boom: “Anytime someone calls attention to the breaking of gender roles, it ultimately undermines the concept of gender equality by implying that this is an exception and not the status quo.”
The dialogue of that show definitely has some marbles.
Sonic Boom was wild man
Two the actual flying fuck did a animated echidna from a kids show about anthropogenic animals fighting a guy who builds robots and is called EGGMAN, manage to single handedly tell all feminist that they're dumb, WHILE TELLING AMY A BETTER FEMINIST ( a feminist with young povs) TO SHUT UP
As dumb as he was in that show, I gotta keep it real, he was spitting out of pocket, albeit straight as an arrow, facts.
one thing i hate about modern Harley Quinn, is that some people seem to forget that she IS A VILLAIN!
Not really, people just think she's stupid, that's why she can get away with it, since compared to what Bane or Joker can cook up, she's just a child putting a whoopee cushion on her teachers seat
(I mean have you read the comics? She's literally more of a side character)
@@nutsandbolts1264 yes, I have read comics. She's a side character most of the time, yes, but she is also a killer. A killer who has committed unforgivable crimes alongside of the Joker lmao but some people either ignore that fact simply because she's a woman, or they don't even know
@@turtlecat9445 It's more over the fact that they don't take her seriously, she's harmed alot of people, but all for joker, and in this movie (as horrible as it is) she's sorta fighting against other bad guys
As compared to Punchline who actually is batshit insane, and straight up harms for pleasure
@@nutsandbolts1264 okay, but she's still basically a villain. Doesn't matter if it was "all for the Joker", that doesn't excuse her actions.
I honestly don't understand stand the point of your comment, though. What are you trying to prove? That one villain is worse than the other? I already know that. The point of my comment is, that some people seen to forget that Harley Quinn is still a villain, despite some writers trying to push for the Venom and Deadpool route, which, in my opinion, doesn't work well for a character like Harley Quinn.
@@turtlecat9445 My point is that, Yes, there are worse villains, it's *Gotham* people are use to things like that, saying that Harley Quinn is a villain isn't really something to make a big deal about it
There's still much worse than a girl with a hammer and other people who are crazy, and let's not forget that this is a work of fiction, Harley is more of an obviously fake character
People don't make a big deal about it since it's not
They legit targeted Sonic , and LOST. Beaten by a freakin kids movie
Being from the DCEU, complete failure to create any hype, being R rated and the cast's insistence on calling it a feminist movie (when it's absolutely not) is why this movie lost to Sonic.
*ahem* MEN’s movie
@@matthewoverstreet1267 KIDS' movie
exactly !!! I watched these two movies and I swear to god that I was exited and intrigued by Sonic and was yawning and bored while watching Birds of prey
@@4rs0n29 Birds of Prey was bullcrap.
Someone said it should've been titled: "Kill Men- the movie"
Kill (all) Biil(s)
Didn't Star Wars already use that title for one of the recent episodes?
@J Vue Yes
@J Vue
Multiple. Yeah.
J Vue actually yes
“I got over the joker”
* dresses in a clown costume and destroys the planet*
Star Trek, Star Wars, Dr Who, Terminator, Ghostbusters, Charlie's Angles went Woke: Did not meet earning potentials.
Birds of Prey: "nah, it'll be fine..."
*we've got the formula right with this one...i've got this...feeeling*
Reality is what hits you when walk out of the door .... But you have to actually do that once in a while for reality to hit ... That or live in your own created fantasy world until reality literally comes knocking at the front door with a repossession notice and a court summons.
@Harvey Dustin Every word in their current dictionary is a Doublespeak corruption of it ... Nothing new there ... Noble ideas and uplifting words are what cowards and power hungry manipulators have hidden behind since the dawn of your species. What gets me about this current lot is how poor they are at it, how shoddy, low rent and pathetic (in the classical sense) they are. Such an age where even the demagogues and would be tyrants are cheap, soulless plastic knockoffs
@@sergiocampanale3882 *a summons is made even more touching when it takes place on Valentines day...as i know so well*
@@scottmantooth8785 I feel your pain!
Harley: "I'm the one you should be afraid of! Not Joker!"
*Joker gets his own movie that successed*
Harley: "Oh... Well, you should still be afraid of me more than Joker!"
*Joker gets added to Mortal Kombat 11*
Harley: "Well... You should still be afraid of me in general..."
*Birds of Prey movie fails*
Harley: "I'M F**KING OUT OF HERE!!!"
WAIT WAIT WAIT WHAT. JOKER IS IN MORTAL KOMBAT 11??
*Harley Quinn cartoon happens*
"Okay, MAYBE I'll stick around just a little longer..."
Toby Brinkhouse yea, his design is pretty cool too, he has a Heath ledger face makeup with mark hamill arkham games hair and Troy baker physique, mk11 did joker more justice than Harley did in this movie
@@JV-yq7dx that's so cool! I might even but the game just for that xD. Thanks for explaining!
I like Harley's quinn they just made her look so bad in this movie they just couldn't pull off a good movie
I absolutely loved that the Sonic the Hedgehog movie ran this movie into the ground.
No pun intended I presume 😂😂😂
Same
I was surprised that i really liked the sonic movie considering the game adaptation track record is trash
And the SJW wanted to take Sonic down because their “female empowerment” movie bombed at the box office and they failed
@@JonathanGaeta Yeah, they tried using incredibly deceitful tactics to sabotage 'Sonic''s box- office performance before it even premiered, but they failed, and 'Sonic' completely spanked 'Turds of Prey' in the box- office.
Truly a case of good triumphing over evil.
It`s hilarious how this movie preaches about a man stealing a woman`s work, when that's exactly what Birds of Prey is doing: it's a movie riding on the coattails of popular male characters in the DC universe, starring a character who is only popular because of her relationship to a much bigger male character.
plus, it makes no sense. Part of the sick tragedy of Harley Quinn is how she is solely defined by him, driven insane my her misplaced love and willing to do and put up with horrific things to gain his praise. To quote the Arkham games, "This makes her another one of Joker's victims, abiet a very dangerous one." Plus, the whole thing about Joker stealing the credit is bs. Joker's such a dangerous villain because HIS plans are unique to him alone. Only he knows what his next goal will be, how depraved it is, and how to accomplish it in ways not even batman can predict. And what makes is worse is that he's good at it, with the consequences often being devastating, even if he's beaten by batman at the end. Harley is a lapdog at best. The idea of her coming up with the plans is laughable. You want a female mastermind? go watch queen's gambit (I've heard its good)
@@hollowshield2315 Absolutely. This is the sort of stuff people are complaining about when they talk about "forced" diversity and "forced" gender pandering. It's not that there's a woman in charge, it's that the direction of the work makes zero sense and has clearly been warped entirely around the genders of the character. It's a bad story, and it is bad BECAUSE they cared more about pushing a gender message than they did about writing a good story or respecting any of the characters. Like you said, when a story with strong female characters in the lead comes out that's GOOD, like Queen's Gambit, all those alleged "hordes of sexist racist manchildren" are nowhere to be found and the series gets overwhelming support.
It's all corporate PR bullshit, pure and simple: "if we call critics sexist or racist, and cherry-pick a few shitty comments from trolls (or write their own) to 'prove' it, we can bully anyone who doesn't like, buy, and vocally support our shoddy product!" Imagine if other industries worked like that, like you bought a chair on Amazon and it fell apart so you gave it a one-star review and suddenly Jeff Bezos was in the news calling you an entitled bigot, and a bunch of half-wits were clapping him on and insisting the falling-apart chair had wonderfully subverted everyone's expectations about sitting down and that all chairs from now on should fall apart.
@@hollowshield2315 Harley can’t even come up with plans. She just manages to mess things up more.
Joker’s a way bigger threat than her
na come on, this is not true. she was in a full cast of males but her character standed out for good reasons : she was feminine, in love, technically didn’t hurt anybody in the su.cide squad, she was funny, she was relatable and touching with her love story. there was a huge hype for her, and her particularly after the movie. that’s why they did this film here, but ofc they couldn’t just keep it that way, and had to rewrite everything that made her interesting to force their propaganda. this is another story though
@@crimberlies She's just honestly a really hard sell. Sad to say she's interesting BECAUSE of her fucked-up relationship to the Joker. When they try to sell her as some kind of relatable role model instead of a victim, she just loses what makes her interesting. She just sort of becomes a lol-so-randum type character, and they're rarely interesting on their own because she is just so loud and in your face non-stop. It's draining. What she needs, if they want to sell her as more of a relatable role-model type character, is to put her beside a more dry and grounded character in a buddy-buddy type movie. It's why Harlequinade, the BTAS episode where she and Batman team up, or Harley's Holiday, where she accidentally commits a crime and ends up on an adventure with the daughter of that psychotic general, are so good, because they give her much more serious characters to play off of. Hell, Harlequinade has one of the funniest moments with her ever: she's just going completely bonkers, Robin asks "what was she before she went crazy?" and Batman just very matter-of-factly answers "A criminal psychologist" hahaha
"The script is actually kind of an interesting insight into the minds of present-day feminism when you think about it: a protagonist that's self-destructive, narcissistic, violent, unstable, selfish, and refuses to take responsibility for her actions, lashing out at the world where every single man is portrayed as the enemy."
Critical Drinker (10th of February 2020)
Outstanding!
I don't know who is really the guy behind the critical drinker alias.. But for sure this guy knows how to write things that make sense. Did you remember his conclusion when reviewing The star war sequels trilogy? Awesome!
Yep, that was a truth-bomb.
My favourite part, too :-|
Move.
Women do need to be careful they don't buy it,, a man will mentally dismantle a woman in seconds and she wont know she's even been mentally dismantled.
"Harley's Holiday" was infinitely more mature, deep and entertaining than this crap.
*and it was a cartoon for kids*
Most DC animated stuff has actually been better than the live action versions. If DC just did essentially live action remakes of their animated stuff they could be making quite a bit of money. Ever since the Batman Animated Series DC has done a pretty good job of putting out fairly mature, good quality content. It's one of the few bright spots in the DC/WB partnership.
Thats because Paul Dini did it and he was the creator of Harley. He knew who she was supposed to be. Not a manic pixie girl/Deadpool, but a victim of the Joker as well as a huge threat herself.
@ChandSlam they wouldn't be able to stop themselves from shoving modern contemporary political agenda into it
Yeah, that was such a fun episode!
I haven't seen it in a long time, it's due for another watch!
So happy Sonic crushed this at the box office. It's almost as if people want to have fun at the movies instead of being preached at
Batman the lego movie has a bigger box office than this movie
I went to see _Sonic The Hedgehog_ in the theater less than a week before the Governor locked down the state.
Though I admittedly went at a bad time and the viewing was understandably low (early on a Monday), purely out of curiosity I stuck my nose in the unattended door of the screening room next door for _Harley Quinn._ And I was tickled to see that not only did _Sonic_ have far more audience in it for the time of day I went, but _Harley Quinn_ had _no one_ in the seats- the movie was literally playing to _an empty room._ (I wonder where the projectionists went off to, that they didn't just turn it off? Or maybe whoever bought a ticket had walked out before I stuck my nose in?)
Says you! You Cis white male that needs to check his privilege and stop being so threatened by all these strong women!!
Did I say that right? Gotta practice, I live a short drive from Portland Oregon and Seattle so it’s only a matter of time before these sjws are marching around and building concentration camps like socialist/fascists that came before.
It's even sweeter because the butthurt 'Turds of Prey' SJW fanatics tried to sabotage the 'Sonic' movie before it even premiered by posting a bunch of fake reviews of it on social media claiming that it contained racist and/ or homophobic content (Again, the movie had not even premiered yet when they started doing that) and saying that they then took their kids to 'Turds of Prey' instead and had a much better time.
In spite of that incredibly deceitful tactic, 'Sonic' still managed to completely crush 'Turds of Prey' in the box office. Truly a case of good triumphing over evil.
@@TheMask123 will Arnett is best batman
I just don't understand why people glorify Harley Quinn, I mean just because she's no longer with Joker doesn't mean she's a good person, she still did a lot of bad shit in the Joker's service that's not just going to go away because she finally leaves him. People have long memories.
Batman and Harley Quinn covered that nicely. In that version Harley has become a waitress at a super herion/villaness themed restaurant because nobody except pron production companies want to hire her. So she's stuck working as a waitress until she agrees to help batman who pulls some strings for her. Her iob at the end is hilarious, she hosts a Japanese style game show where the prize is free therapy sessions
It's the movie where she bangs nightwing lol
“Harley was the mastermind behind the Jokers plans.”
Heath Ledger: How bout a magic trick? I’m going to make this movie disappear, TADA!! it’s...it’s gone..
Didn't joker manipulate superman? The guy with the super brain, speed, strength and durability?
Jesus Christ help me.
In DC comics as far as I known Harlwy was depicted as a lackey, little nobody for Joker to kick around and now she is the mastermind. She was so bonded to him that ahe wouldn't be able to change a tampon without him.
You know, they never say she was the master mind behind all his crimes. Just that she planned some crimes that the joker took credit for, and was sick of being the side kick.
Where in the movie do they say she was the master mind behind ALL his plans?
Joker is a man without plans, black canary words is invalid. And i think harley quinn can't help but falling in love with joker and can't move on since she's a hard case of Stockholm syndrome.
This movie it's like a children fighting over a favourite red power ranger
Batman must have been on vacation while Harley was doing all this, I mean really where the hell is he?
This is the kind of thing that I hate about these movies, at least in marvel it makes a little sence that other characters won't get involved in other characters plots, and most of the time they have an excuse, but here? Is like scucide squad, you have superman, wonder woman, batman, and you chose to send a bunch of criminals to stop an intergalactic wizard? What?
@@jorgeloredo100 Remember spiderman homecoming?? 🧐
He was looking for aquaman, remember how he take that long walk for no reason? Well
No no no... That will be misogynist. *sarcasm*9
A good excuse would be him chasing the joker like in suicide squad
I'll never forgive them for what they did to Cassandra Cain. The daughter of the two most dangerous assassins alive (David Cain and Lady Shiva), a mute fighter who is able to read body movements so precisely that she can tell if someone is lying to her by their breathing. Someone so dangerous that Bruce himself admitted that Cassandra would likely kill him if they fought hand to hand. Not to mention she has the coolest fucking Batgirl suit that makes her look like a literal phantom. Instead, we got edgy Rose Tico.
@Kara Richards not in the comic book at all
I'm glad I didn't watch the film. Bcz reading that hurt. Cassandra is so fucking dope.
@@st4ne4rmthevill63 Im glad I didn't read the comic prior to watch the movie, it would have make it a much worse experience
PREACH OHMYGOD!! i have no idea why the fuck they did cassandra so dirty. she’s literally more powerful than batman, not a fucking toddler.
the people who made this probably didn't do research..just looked up random dc characters' names then *pooof* make up a character background from shit.
I’d love to see this movie with the gender roles reversed. Watching the media meltdown over how sexist it is would of been hilarious. No one would ever dare to do it though. Just imagine…
On it.
“Review” Birds of prey? No, I think the correct term is “autopsy”
Vivisection, the movie still lives in the theaters
jackoblllllllll Nah, this one was dead on arrival.
A better term would be necropsy! Since the movie is called birds of prey;-)
@@jackoblllllllll If a movie is playing in a theater, but there is nobody around to see it... does it still live?
Lord Inquisitor Shadowlord You gotta admit, it would be done quickly
lol so Black Mask could't handle Harley and her gang, yet this is one of Batman's top antagonists. what are these people doing to the DC universe
Exactly, no actual reference to the source material. Hell even character designs themselves don't look like their comic counterparts. Its no wonder DCU has failed so hard.
Yep this is a dude that killed his birth parents, killed a robin and successfully took over gotham only if it was one time
Joker is a nemesis to Batman, is a mastermind of crime, and it was portrayed as a sad looser with a 6 shooter, who can arrested off screen by a cop... and "everyone" loved that.
@@nofarsheli9378 it was his origin story you moron he was shown to be diabolical and a quick thinker when he snatch that one book from the psychiatrist or when he changed clothes... and i can't emphasize this enough: it was a damn origin story he literally has about 20 years of gaining experience before he takes on the bat
@@amilcaredmund1423 He killed a Robin? Who?
Don't say 'handyman' say 'handyperson'
Don't say 'fireman' say 'fire-fighter'
Don't say 'henchman' ... No actually 'henchman' is fine.
Black Canary was temporarily a henchman in this. Have you even seen the movie?
@@bc5163 of course I haven't seen the movie, nobody has. Keep on signalling.
HandyperSON! Sexist pig,how dare you use gender specific language.
@jigyoda in sweden we say brandman brand=fire
I've never heard anyone complain about "gunman" either...
When are we gonna get the male empowerment versions of kill Bill, Cinderella, frozen, Charlie's angels?
When people hate on Joker because he's a psycho but love Harley Quinn, that's the definition of fake outrage.
I think that's why people like the joker in the first place, my guy.
@@FitchTV People have always been fascinated with villains. We want to know how they got there because we're all a few bad choices away from being one. But what bugs me is when people pretend to be offended by something just to get what they want. In this case, they want to make female starring movies with feminist messages more popular than male starring movies with less political messages.
And double standards
FitchTV He’s referring to how cuckbag leftards think Joker is going to somehow incite violence. All the while this movie exists with senseless violence turned up to 11 and it’s completely fine because the main characters have snatches.
Well cause joker had crazy ideas to destroy everday people and create anarchy but harley was a sidekick who just wanted to follow joker. She didn't kill innocent people or children but joker doesn't care if it is a child or adult. I guess only thing he will stop is rape? Idk. John wick and dexter were killers you don't see people complain about them cause they are actually good people who are happened to be killers lol
I really need a t-shirt that simply says "Nah, it'll be fine."
"GO AWAY NOW"
Dude for real someone make this happen
I really need a t shirt that says "Fuck Off Ruby Rose!"
you heard it Drinker.......... I'm up for one too....... call a t-shirt printer mebby. ;)
_Nah, It'll Be Fine v Super Easy, Barely An Inconvenience: Dawn of the Dismissive Catchphrase_
It would be refreshing if a fight scene with a small female character was choreographed to reflect how they would be able to contend against larger stronger enemies using weapons, agility, and creativity. A good start would be to mimic some of the creative Jackie Chan fights against large powerful enemies.
I still cant understand how Rene managed to defeat a guy that had 100 lbs and 2 foot over her
Right that has been shown before...that girl from Kick-ass for example...Kill-Bill...or the SW Clone Wars Season 1 : It gives good examples about how someone with 2 to 5 less weight can get heavier enemies down.
But on the other hand, as you say, it would require creativity. A thing Birds of Prey's moviemakers seem to have been in shortage of.
The only equalizer you'd have for someone the size of Robbie is weapons. That's why it makes sense for Harley to always be using something, she would get smoked in a fistfight even against a slightly burly woman.
@@totalmetaljacket789 Yes and that's weird why firearms seem to be absent from that movie...after all it's not like the makers would dismiss extreme violence as unfit, right ? xd.
I think Atomic Blonde generally achieves this. There might be a little bit of suspending your belief but in general it's believable. Charlize Theron is never straight overpowering the men she's fighting.
As a young woman who isnt a feminazi, I’m really over all these “feminist” movies. They don’t represent me either, and I’m supposed to be the target audience 🤦♀️
Dont ask questions just consume product
@@Walt305then get excited for next product
13:20~ "The script is actually kind of an interesting insight into the minds of present-day feminism when you think about it ---- a protagonist that's self-destructive, narcissistic, violent, unstable, selfish, and refuses to take responsibility for her actions, lashing out at the world where every single man is portrayed as the enemy. Talk about a product of its time." (SIGH)
Paul Shimura that is just perfectly said, I wouldn’t have found a better way to say it hahahaha
This is a great comment man
Yup, the problem is they unite a bunch of heros with a villain for "feminisim". Sharing a vagina shouldn't matter when Harley is doing crap like shooting up a police station and otherwise doing selfish crap for the sake of being selfish. Everyone who has a grudge against Harley has a complete legit reason for hating Harley. She's a total arsehole in her own movie. Her suddenly being the person we're suppose to be 'routing for' at the end makes no sense.
@@RubyXOmakeup agreed! Well said! When you think about who Harley actually is and how shes been portrayed depending on whos making it. Makes you think whether any research was done in making this character. Shes always been mental with a charismatic warm side that can be reached with reason. What we got was a mess, a teenager with serious issues.
It's not feminism! How often do I have to say it? It's shallow, self-indulgent people who think they can "fake it" well enough to attract their precious progressive, liberal, feminist audience. Spoiler alert: they can't.
this Quinn is just a bad Tank Girl copy
Now that you mention it, they're basically the exact same character.
tank girl was dog shit, which is to say this movie is the shit a dog shit took and an affront to film and art.
it's like Models Inc, with nasty skanky models and even less believable motivation of "bad guys".
Margot is actually producing and starring in the remake...
Tank Girl meets Snatch?
Wait.. that sounds weird.
They wanted Tank Girl, many decades after the fact.
HQ dreams of being as bad ass as Tank Girl. Comic ver ofc.
Yeah I thought this movie smacked real heavily of that vibe. Well never move past the 90s.
Remember when over-the-top movies about female action heroes didn't feel it was necessary to shove afterschool-special-level messages about social justice down their audience's throat? Pepe Farms remembers.
Tank Girl was female empowerment without degrading men. She overcame men and such, but it wasn't what made her character.
don't let them to it or she won't have a tank but a eco friendly car
I found the fight scenes with Harley Quinn to be..."believeable" enough. But Black Canary, Montoya, and Huntress clearly didn't even receive any kind of fight training, or STAGE fight training for that matter. Their punches look so awkward.
Mary Elizabeth Winstead had done fight choreography before in scott pilgrim vs the world and she was great plus she's done ballet before. The problem is more likely that this movie didn't put much effort into her choreography because she has such a small and quite frankly useless part in the movie.
Well, in the comics, Black Canary is one of the DC universe's premiere martial artists. She hardly ever uses her sonic scream because it's so destructive. Of course, this character doesn't bear much resemblance to the Black Canary of the comics.
Imagine if we got a movie where we see Harley's downfall and progression to joining Joker, as well as a look at their abusive relationship in a movie similar to "Joker"
Instead we got this.
Glad we got this, It's bad but at least it's not overrated as Joker.
@@footl0se dumbest comment award. Joker literally garnered award and won Phoenix an Oscar...?
@@vigowaygo12 Joaquim was really good, the movie, not so much, that why only HIM won a oscar.
@@footl0se the soundtrack also won an oscar. Parasite only won best film because diversity. Joker or 1917 should have won.
ᥴɦᥣꪮ꧖ bruh joker was goooolldddd, u got no taste. And don’t be like “it’s to dark and depressing blah blah blah” cuz guess what? That’s. The. Point. 🤯
"She's like a bout of explosive diarrhea. She's tolerable, maybe even kind of fun in small doses, but 109 minutes of her without relief just become a pain in the arse."
Yup, same exact description of some women I know.
All women.
"even kind of fun in small doses" made me LOL at work.
omfg... I am literally crying when he said this!
I could describe a lot of people I know with that. Men and women.
Can we talk about how Drinker apparently thinks explosive diarrhea can be fun in small doses? I'm morbidly curious.
the movie: Joker took credit for harleys work.
animated series: Joker bashes harley out of a window for using his ideas on batman.
Many doesnt know this story...and saw animated version...it was awesome
That wasn't the reason they broke up in the movie. Just sayin
@@onedoes1471 i dont fucking rember seeing Joker in the film throw Harley of building thats was on the very last floor and the only reason she survived was because she landed on garbage and the GCPD found her bleeding a lot no i fucking rember his goon just throwing her of the door and telling her dont come back because thats how Joker breaks up or cuts tie he kills those people he doesnt give a flying fuck about human life not even his own he only cares about Batman which is showen amazingly in the Harely Quinn show
mad hatter gamer hey I fucking loved that anime Batman 🖤🖤🖤
And motherfucking Harley Quinn breaks up with Joker for using her ideas?! Sorry but that is in no way aligned with Harley’s character, what’d be more fitting is if she fell for him even harder for using HER ideas. Which means that the whole reason why Joker isn’t in the movie is because the writers especially felt like fulfilling their fan fiction desires.
The Critical Drinker's reviews of these awful Hollywood releases are more entertaining than the movies themselves.
Couldn't hv said it better
The Harley Quinn animated tv show did this entire plotline of Harley Quinn leaving the Joker infinitely better.
Yeah, this movie did nothing for her.
@@shawnwilliams9287 Absolutely nothing.
Yet that cartoon is trash too.
@@GuiAntonioli Its not trash, by any stretch of the imagination. At least in my opinion.
After hating Birds of Prey and Suicide Squad, I was pleasantly surprised by the animated series! It was actually funny, had a good plot, and I loved the art style.
Joker: Man vs psychopathic society
Birds of prey: Women vs men
Psychopaths: Divide and conquer!
I think you mean "Wahmen" vs men.
@MrAJEO But we don't because it's not worth taking seriously. The man-hating feminists are very loud and obnoxious, but they're a small minority among women in my experience. Even other women don't like them because they know that you can't elevate women by tearing down men--that only creates a race to the bottom that no rational person wants. The fact that man-hater movies keep under-performing and/or outright bombing is a sign of their irrelevance. Even Captain Marvel under-performed considering its position in the MCU.
Once they marketed this movie as a stand against the patriarchy, I tuned out
👆 This...
Every main Hollywood actress is a feminazi. I no longer find the need to see any movie with any of these twits.
Here's the thing everyone's been through a breakup it's really not that special and lots of people have left abusive situations as well. This is basically a 109 minute movie where you watch someone who is highly self-destructive and unstable childishly get over a breakup. In turn she's entirely defined by her breakup instead of by herself. She's still being defined by the relationship she had.
Exactly. I'm surprised that anyone else thought about this or that this comment don't have any more likes.
I might say that if you want to portrait someone as strong and over the relationship, you portrait them as not giving à damn about their ex. She still use clown related gadgets, blow up the place when they dated and she's still hateful toward him. When you're over someone, you just don't care about that person anymore, no matter what they say or do. She's portrayed as if he gave her à call, she will run back to him without questions. She's still in the relationship without being in the relationship and look like someone who's still spitefull to have been dumped. So all mens are obviously evil and ennemies because she's still hurting badly to have been dumped. She make me think about one of my Ex, that was trying to have a reaction in doing all kinds of nonsense. She was more angry that I didn't give her any attention than anything else because I didn't care about her anymore and it was hard for her ego.
Edit 2: english isn't my language.
They've ruined the character of Harley Quinn. What once was a interesting take on an abused and co-dependant, yet competent and quirky villainess has now become a wall-breaking feminasty parody. Sad, and wasteful.
If they didn't have stultified, hamfisted arcs, they'd have no arcs at all.
C.R. Asher guess you haven’t read the comics...
i liked the harley quinn from the 90's bat man cartoons when i was a kid. i even thought suicide squad was mediocre mainly because of harley. but when i first saw a preview for birds i knew it was going to be terrible shite. the industry has been on a steady bury itself in the ground trend for years and the preview didnt help. the whole point of a preview is to entice an audience, not alienate it, i thought. though the current - i dont know what to call them - movie brains? have me currently confused. the whole woke thing has been proven to fail unless there is actually a compelling script, etc. along with it.people seem to care more about a good, entertaining film more than political narratives and an insistence on divisive marketing techniques. i am confused in that i thought their main directive was to make as much money as possible. for years it seems the opposite. like they want to lose money? are they delusional? are they so far withdrawn from actual audiences that they dont understand their losing fans and popularity?
@@retrovelvet is she bad in the comics
The best thing for someone who is abused and co-dependent is to free themselves. They did not ruin her, they finally freed her.
The brief clips of Ledger's Joker remind me of what was...and sadly what is now.
His was a good take on the character.
It's sad what happened to him.
Heath Ledgers joker was the peak, don’t think anything will ever top it.
@@geauxtigers9609 Totally agree though i thought Joker was an awesome take also
Ledger wasn't comic accurate.
Leto was.
Go read one. Casual.
@@geauxtigers9609Ledger wasn't even comic
"She doesn't change, grow or develop in this movie. She's still the same immature person at the end of the movie."
That sums it up.
This movie tried to mimic "Deadpool" but forgot that the main character actually undergoes *change* through the film - the character of Wade Wilson starts off as an unhinged loon who only wants to do crazy shit for money, meets a girl, becomes infatuated with her and then gets cancer: from there he goes to extraordinary lengths to cure his cancer without becoming an undue burden to her, gets mixed up in crazy human experiments and goes on a rampage of revenge before finally reuniting with her after realizing that she will accept him as he is.
Quinn doesn't undergo any kind of self discovery - she starts as psycho who believes that she doesn't need anyone else and pretty much ends the same way...
ILTB MMeet your opinion
ILTB MMeet The fandom at large says otherwise - and I for one felt that the film held true to the spirit of the source material.
@ILTB MMeet lol
@@FrankCastle-tq9bz And frankly, the way Deadpool treats the kid in the second movie is much better than the way Harley treats Cassandra in this one. Deadpool goes out of his way to protect the boy even though he probably shouldn't be, risking his skin against the odds at all times. Harley tries selling Cassandra out as soon as things get rough, and only tries to save her when it's clear that won't work for her.
Remember when Harley Quinn was a quirky, funny and devoted character who was trapped in an abusive relationship with an insane criminal mastermind?
It kills me because DC literally has the comics already written. All the material is there. Just fucking pick one of them.
Xactly literally any one n turn it into a movie or an episode from any animated series
"There is no backstory we can work with here." - KK about Star Wars
Yeah.
It's why I'm so thrilled that they're FINALLY making a two- part animated movie adaptation of 'Batman: The Long Halloween.'
Ah, yes, the classic Aliens versus Predator conundrum...
Comics has mostly mid stories tho it's the characters that's likeable
The part that kills me with Harley Quinn, is where did she become a black widow level fighter? Going crazy doesn’t mean you can fight.
In the comics Poison Ivy gave her some serum that amplified her natural physical abilities. There's actually a part in her solo comics where Harley runs low on it and freaks out. So due to Poison Ivys serum she's actually stronger and faster than she already was as a person who went to university on a gymnastics scholarship. In the movies tho? I dunno.
The haven't introduced poison ivy in the dc cimematic universe so basically all the fight scenes dont make sense
@@Detura2 that’s why this movie is so awful to watch jeez
@@rejanrobinson8797 none of this explains why she can fight like a fuckin ninja. Not to mention this story arc doesnt involve poison ivy
@@Detura2 she was in batman and robin, played by uma thurman, not sure if it counts.
Great movie compared to this garbage.
My wife’s boyfriend loved this film.
I thought you were in incel? How did you get a wife?
Your wife needs to start dating a better class of man.
Your wifes bf doesn't deserve either of you.
Ranic, now that was funny. Too bad most twats won't get the joke!
@@unclececil They get it. It just wasn't funny.
Harley Quinn works a lot better as a supporting character in other films or shows like Batman and Suicide Squad. And while the cartoon show managed to pull off Harley Quinn doing her own thing as a major character, it still had to go the 'Rick & Morty' route with the meta and deconstruction in order to make it work. To do a live-action film set in the DCEU with her as the main character, it was bound to fail.
you forgot the most important thing: where the FUCK is batman while the whole town is going to hell? I mean, in SS at least they do us a favor to show that even when the movie it’s about the bad people, the hero is still around to see what they are doing
I was thinking that to especially when ace blew up anything happens there his right onto it and even if he is not there one of the bat family would have if there in this universe
U gotta remember WB is trying to disconnect from the snyderverse and there creating their own plotholes to separate
Batman is a man so he obviously can't save the day (Even though he's Gotham's hero) because that would singlehandedly invalidate every female in the world.
**sigh** I'm old enough to remember the days when hearing the phrase 'female empowerment' applied to a movie DIDN'T make me want to dread-vomit...
"Dread-vomit" lol'd. :)
This is a good movie though. Proactively hating it based on other movies is a bit unfair
@@bc5163 its forced. the plot is forced. The characters are bad written and no one gives a shit
Even the previews couldn't hide how forced the movie is.
WB should have stopped after the first Time Burton film.
@@bc5163 I understand what you are saying but they don't make em to excite us to see them
The Disastrous Constipation of Harley Quinn
I remember going to a comic con a few years ago, and like every third girl there was dressed up as Harley Quinn. Then I had a Facebook who every day would post several Harley Quinn themed memes an hour all day long... almost as if she actually believed herself to be that person. I always enjoyed the character, but have grown tired how she has been coopted by so many people that think liking her or identifying with her somehow makes them more interesting.
"Pitched to a market that doesn't exist" hahaha
Whoever the Batman in this gotham city is, he needs a stronger pimp hand
It is still Afflecks Batman in this universe but because WB he isn't allowed to show up.
Batman is an Asian woman in this universe
@@MrWackozacko UwU
@@MrWackozacko She's a woman!
@@TheBardorp Oh no you racist bigot, Batman is gender fluid.
This is why black canary from justice league unlimited is the best iteration. Even though she’s an expert martial artists she still takes hits and has trouble beating people outside her weight class, her strength is that she refuses to stay down and keeps fighting. That plus her character is just better, gives the show really good execution.
Young Justice
Batman: The Brave and the bold
And she is the right colour
Exactly. I can Believe she could take out two grown man in hand to hand combat. But not effortlessly. Numbers, plus a difference in muscle mass leads me to believe she's be hit a few times.
The JLU Black Canary also gains extra cool- points for being voiced by the always- brilliant Morena Baccarin.
@@josephnewsome2935 Funny, Drinker didn't seem to have a problem with her being black. In fact, he never even mentioned it, possibly because her race has no bearing on anything. He said she was the only thing in the movie that stood out because she was the only character with an arc. So why do YOU have a problem with it? Gee, I can't possibly imagine.
Actually, Black Canary, while horribly miscast in this movie, is a very competent fighter. She's not superhuman except for her sonic scream. She's also never lost a fight to Batman.
When did action blockbusters become lectures from our old unmarried aunt.
"I'M NOT GONNA LET A MAN TAKE CREDIT FOR A WOMAN'S WORK"
This is... entertaining somehow?
When people forgot the meaning of the word entertainment and thought that pretty much everything should be used for lectures
Sure, it's entertaining to a section of activists. You know, the ones that don't go to movies...
The point is propaganda, normalising certain ideas like men and women being equally capable in all things.
@@MoffatLee Unfortunately most people still don't realize this is the reason for all the wokeness in TV shows and movies, and the reason that no matter how bad they fail in the box office, it will continue to get worse and worse. Marxism/Communism is the future for everyone.
Nothing more terrifying than a middle aged bitter single woman
The movie that empowered women so hard that it turned one of the best female fighters and fascinating characters in DC into a poorly acted pickpocket with no fighting ability whatsoever.
I also noticed that BIRDS OF PREY really hedged its bets when it came to the race angle. Yes, three of the five female leads were non-Caucasian...but not only is the biggest star yet another Nordic blond woman who's been bleached with chemicals to look even whiter, but they got Mary Elizabeth Winstead - who's almost as pasty-faced as Harley is - for the role of Helena Bertinelli, an olive-skinned Sicilian-American girl. They even got a much swarthier younger actress to be Helena in the flashback scenes just to show how hard they were hedging.
Look how they massacred my waifu Black Canary. I liked her in the cartoons and she was my go to in Injustice 2 when my friend and i played on his PlayStation.
@@laoaidan2400 Yeah, they blackwashed Black Canary and turned every female into unrecognizable, unnatractive hags just to spite us males, fuck this movie
@@laoaidan2400 mein bruder this isn't the anime community, so while i understand your frustrations please do not use the term "waifu" on a discussion about comic book movies or you'll make all of us look like weebs.
@@luxsuperbia1531 Tbf, the term "waifu" isn't limited to anime characters.
Harley Quinn is now like every other female character that we see in movies: an unstoppable killing machine with the physique of Tinker Bell, the balls of man with elephantiasis, and the politics of a twitter feminist. This Hollywood trope has become as common as treatment-resistant strains of the coronavirus in China's public restrooms.
of a* man with
Nice description, you missed of the big bag of Sass. But that's twitter I guess.
Remember when the Joker in the Batman trilogy was a physically weak and rather unimposing guy? Like he should be? He'd never win a fair fight against most people. He acts by being manipulative, evil, unpredictable, and blowing shit up, and not just by his own...instead of going on a 1 man boxing spree. Same with the Joaquin Joker movie. Here, Arthur was another character who was physically not imposing, quite the opposite, he was meek, barely had any meat on his bones, he was fearful, anxious, manic, schizophrenic, really not all that likeable, but at the same time you could identify with him on some level...
These terrible movies on the other hand just take a rig model and slap a new skin on it every time. Every one of them has a similar character trait. No one is really interesting. Compare that to the MCU characters, who, while rather shallow, all have a very clear silhouette and motivations, as well as story arcs...and you see why this is just a poor attempt at copying fame...still. After all these years. No lessons learned. They're gonna reboot and remake their "cinematic universe" a few more times before eventually calling it quits...hopefully. Try again in 10 years, maybe you've grown by then and actually have a plan.
@Yul Brynner Bat soup. A lot of bat soup.
That was almost poetic.
Saying that Birds of Prey are a Garbage movie is an insult to the garbage.
13:19 _The script is actually kind of an interesting insight into the minds of present day feminism when you think about it. A protagonist that's, self destructive, narcissistic, violent, unstable, selfish, and refuses to take responsibility for her actions, lashing out at a world where every single man is protrayed as the enemy? Talk about a product of it's time_
In every video there's always at least one paragraph like this that always makes me grin ear to ear because of just how accurate it is. You really have a way with words!
ukpauliogazzio That's basically _Stupid Juvenile Whiner_ Tactics:
1. Turn brain off (Stupid)
2. Have a tantrum (Juvenile)
3. Complain about bullshit issues no one gives a fuck about (Whine)
4. Ad hominem fallacy -- Call everyone else toxic/offensive and scream insults at everyone who disagrees (Bully)
5. Never take responsibility -- blame others
6. Always lie
7. Double down
8. Anyone having their own independent **opinion** is automatically and magically "wrong" -- just because
9. Everyone else is assumed and presumed guilty; can't prove their innocence
10. Can't come up with anything original; have to hijack existing things created by others
11. Too stupid to understand there is a _spectrum_ between hating, disliking, neutral, liking, and loving something; treats dismissive bullshit duality fallacy excuse _Haters gonna hate_ as gospel
That ain't really true
Harley: *Kills many workers of a chemical plant and pollutes the atmosphere with an untold amount of toxic gas clouds"
Critics: "Wow she's such a powerful woman!"
Yeah, good call.
I wonder how much irreparable damage would have been done to the ecosystem by that so she could make her little "Statement"?
Its basically a big meme portraying the silly shenanigans women do when they get hurt, instead of walking away and doing something good with themselves. She is a clown after all.
Comic Relief: Zappers!
You really think they'll care? Think about how Captain Marvel beating up and robbing a man who tells her to smile is portrayed in a positive light. Think about the she-Hulk revenge fantasy where the white male prison guard lies dead on the driver's seat because he dares to be white and to be escorting a rapist to prison.
SJWs are, to me, very sociopathic, misanthropic and law-flaunting people who care nothing but their agenda and domination. Sauron at least get style, these people? They're just pathetic. Pathetic and evil like the new generation "heroes" they portray and stuff down our throats.
@Maximus Brutus they're power fantasies for women people who have been assigned victimhood by the "feminists." It's toxic femininity at its best!
"She's like a bout of explosive diarrhea. Tolerable and maybe even kinda fun in small doses"
- The Critical Drinker, 2020
He has a point there
The part where Harley Quinn says "Death to the patriarchy" and then charges into battle, really had a significant impact on me. I am now a changed man
Cassandra Cain in the comics: Lithe, trained as an assassin since birth with a compelling story and moral quandaries that makes her (in my opinion) the best batgirl
Movie Cassandra Cain: Gender Bent Shortround
You could pretty much say the same for all the main characters here.
Comic victor zsasz: intimidating, smart, capable psychopath, that has little to no empathy, whose scratches are arranged perfectly to represent tally marks of all the people he has killed
Victor zsasz in the movie: department store mannequin with paper-cuts on face.
An Inconvenience and they managed to completely ruin it
This had me cackling and it’s so tru
Absolute shayt
I loved harley Quinn when I was little because I thought her character was a great representation of Stockholm syndrome and she had depth now she is basically one dimensional.
You were a smart kid then
Cause I was afraid of her thinking that girls can turn out be such crazy person too.
@@avatar_bro I thought she was nice to the joker and the fact she got yelled at and pushed out a window made me feel badXD
@@darkandedgy1457 I told you man
You were a smart kid
Good call.
I recently rewatched the classic 'Batman: The Animated Series' episode "Mad Love" for the first time in decades, and LOVED the fact that it, a 22- minute episode of an animated TV show aimed at kids and made 25 years ago, offered a more realistic and well- written portrayal of an abusive relationship than so many brainless SJW movies and TV shows aimed at adults today (Including this movie) have.
Not technically Stockholm Syndrome, but other than that I agree
Birds of Prey: How to Make Harley Quinn Completely Unlikable and Utterly Insufferable
Dk Soulstice it’s a shame too cause I like the actress and she did fine in suicide squad despite it being...well suicide squad. But hey the price of fame clouds ones ego I guess.
They didn't really have to try though tbh. She's already unlikeable and insufferable. Imagine that voice and personality coming out of an ugly fat girl's mouth. See? Fucking unbearable, right?
*more insufferable
"This isn't the kind of character you base a whole movie around."
So she's female Jack Sparrow?
Dk Soulstice didn’t Deadpool 2 sort of have the same problem? With Deadpool sort of overstaying his welcome a bit.
the thing with the john wick guy being brought in to do the action scenes is hilarious... its like the hollywood equivalent of a "strong, independent" woman needing a man to open a jar of pickles for her...
"Just because we're women doesn't mean we can't direct a movie" yeah it's not because you're a woman...
Cathryn Bigelow (one of at least some) is probably heavily drinking here and now just to forget that she could be associated with those pathetic excuses of a Female director.
@Ricky Shiffer Yes I've learned she was a competent sculptor too...
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Tl-dr, in any time, and any society, we probably will find women who are far more valuable than the poor caricatures of glass-built-yet-strong-and-independant victims last-wave feminists / SJWs try to put all women into...
This follows up with the reason for why I hate women; they're so irrational, and I'm a woman...makes me ashamed to be one, but then I also know if I was just like them, I'd be supporting them.
@@amberslahlize7961 Well though not all women are probably not born irrational-prone (confer your own example), still our actual kind of education / culture surely doesn't help mental stability and reliability...
@@amberslahlize7961 As a woman i agree, i often feel ashamed of being a woman. So many irrational women/girls out there, feminists of course. The future doesn't look bright...
11:55 "She's like a bout of explosive diarrhea, she's tolerable, maybe even kind of fun in small doses, but a 109 minutes of her without relief just becomes a pain in the arse!"
Drinker, thou hast the soul of a true poet.
Not to go there buuuut I'm totally going there! It was all the funnier for me because I was dropping logs while watching this. Made my friggin night. Was worried the family would hear me laughing hysterically from the bathroom and come investigate.
Birds of prey was such a bad movie, i watched it on a plane and still people walked out
Lmao
Seen that joke said so often that it’s lost all value...
Like "I watched it while taking a dump and still walked out before finishing the dump"
Just some guy who wishes he had a mustache ha! It was so bad I actually flew out of the movie. 😉
Ah! When did you change your profile pic?
Margot Robbie always seems smug to me, a bit like Brie Larson. Where's the poise and charm of stars like Helena Bonham Carter, Linda Hamilton, Sigourney Weaver or Helen Mirren in superhero movies? Instead we get "hard hitting" barbie dolls who just aren't convincing as badasses (except Elizabeth Olsen, who I adore!)
Ewan McGregor lost a bet. It was either this or costar with Jar Jar Binks again.
I would've chosen Jar Jar.
Jar Jar would have been the proper choice
maybe you should express yourself more respectful
Oh man that's texbook caught between Iraq and a hard place!
Jar Jar always
Remember how in T2, Sarah Connor used improvised weapons and went for vulnerable spots to overcome HOSPITAL ORDERLIES? She wasn't going toe to toe with professional killers
She worked out. Fought smart.
She also didnt shove down our throats how she was a woman every five fucking seconds. Jesus what happened to heroes like her? Why did they become like This??
@@insulam821 Modern ultra- feminist SJWs (Like the ones involved in this movie) despise women who become mothers, viewing them as "Selling out to the patriarchy" or something.
@@Adamguy2003
They wouldn't like Ripley in "Aliens" then or any other female character who protects their children from harm and danger in the most epic way possible
@@insulam821 Yeah, that's part of the point. Sarah Connor was enraged, strong, and experienced, and even then had to fight really dirty to win. It's not a bad thing. It's more impressive to see your heroes struggle than to watch them high-kick air and yet somehow still win.
Let's hope movies like these keep being made, so the message of their failures becomes deafening.
Until they start losing money consistently...they will keep making them.
@Scott Whatever No Harley Quinn toys?
www.amazon.com/harley-quinn-Toys-Games/s?k=harley+quinn&rh=n%3A165793011
It cost me $77.90 for a Suicide Squad Harley Quinn. Amazon are selling Birds of Prey Harley Quinn. But I'm not interested in "less male gaze-y" crazy bitch. I save money to order a fully integrated AI version. I have given my specific requirement to my vendors. The AI android better be sexually appealed, or I'm going to sue them. Hahahaha.
@@stormryder4305 Reading comprehension is key! Scott didn't say no toys, he said no money made on toys.
@@justinm2697 Hmmm. Ok. How about this?
"Medicom's Suicide Squad: Harley Quinn MAF EX Figure, an action figure based on Margot Robbie's performance in the Suicide Squad film, was April's best-selling toy.
DC Collectibles had six products in the top ten: the Harley Quinn: Red White and Black Statue by Jim Lee at #2, the DC Icons: Wonder Woman Action Figure at #3, the DC Comics Bombshells: Raven Statue at #4, the Harley Quinn: Red White and Black Injustice 2 Statue at #7, the DC Icons: Deathstroke Action Figure at #8, and the DC Designer Series: Starfire by Amanda Conner Statue at #9."
www.previewsworld.com/Article/194032-Top-25-Toys-April-2017
www.geek.com/culture/toy-tuesday-the-best-dc-universe-toys-1807208/
@@stormryder4305 Top lists mean nothing. Browsing over the first link, it says the list is compiled from sales at comic book stores. Also, coming at the top of a sales list means nothing. It doesn't cite how many how many units have been sold, it simply ranks the sales.
Ditto for the second link. It is only talking about top DC toys and once again doesn't mention units sold.
For all I know unit sales could be 1000 or less.