@dukeofthedance8062 Lmao never thought I'd see my good personal friend Nick Mullen as a writer for a second space balls but it would honestly be brilliant.
+Reckful-For awhile, I though it was Ree-an, not Ryan. . . I was even going to give him the benefit of the doubt and wondered if he was Irish. . .Nope. . .dude is a Maryland native. . .So, even that little "interesting" piece about him I originally thought was all wrong. . . Some fun little tidbits. . .He directed a few episodes of Breaking Bad. . .Plinkett's joke about him being a folk singer wasn't just some throwaway joke about how he looks like a pretensious hipster folk singer.. . .He is actually IS a folk singer. . .And a banjo player apparently. . .He is part of a duo with his brother Nathan called The Preserves. . . So. . .there is that. . .
RJ says, “The only thing i would really want is a good movie that delights me in ways i didnt expect.” Hey jackass, the problem is all the changes you made were distasteful and unbelievable. Its not the fact that you made changes, it’s the end result. Let me give u a food analogy that even Gordan Ramsey would agree with, becuz if you know anything about the upper echelons of cooking, it’s about making the dish better, not changing it for worse for the sake of it. Thats like if a chef wanted to make a delicious new dish at a beloved restaurant, so his bright idea is to take a favorite recipe and degrade it by changing what made it great in the first place and replacing it with the exact opposite, instead of trying to contribute to it which helps it reach another level (which is what all great chefs do, they ENHANCE IT by adding their own twist to a dish, they dont try to reinvent the fckin wheel becuz there’s a time and place for everything, genius!) Thats NOT what the owner asked for, the owner asked to make a known dish BETTER. He didnt ask to make a NEW dish with the same frckin name to try to fool customers. Why? Cuz thats not what the customers want, thats not why they keep coming back to this restaurant, so they can be tricked. They came to eat delicious food from a restaurant they know damm well, and whether its an old or new menu, it better be good for the same reason. So when it ends up tasting bad, he blames his favorite customers that it’s because it’s not what they’re used to and they dont have an open mind. THAT IS NOT THE CASE. In fact, a favorite customer, who is a big fan of the restaurant, is not only open to something new, they welcome it because they love the food there and would be excited to hear there’s a new, delicious dish, BUT TO A CERTAIN DEGEE- CHANGES THAT WOULD ENHANCE THE FLAVOR, MAKE IT EVEN BETTER. NOT THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF WHAT MAKES IT GOOD, NOT THE OTHER END OF THE FCKIN SPECTRUM. But then, when it tastes bad because it’s something that shouldnt even be sold in that restaurant, you blame the customer??? if you go to a delicious burger spot that wants to try something new, they should give you a new and different type of burger, not a shitty sushi roll. and? THE CUSTOMERS WOULD BLAME THE CHEF. THE OWNER WOULD BLAME THE CHEF. Yet the chef has the audacity to say the customers are a buncha “man-babies” ? What an idiot.
And just like that YT's trending system has lost all credibility first that stupid buzzfeed video getting trending and not the Godzilla KOTM trailer? Yeah Rest in piss trending credibility.
The fact that John Boyega is on record saying he hates what happened with Finn's character, that The Last Jedi is his least favorite movie in the new trilogy, and that he is glad he is not in them anymore is just icing on the cake.
The add even more confusion about the script, Rian Johnson once stated that he had to write the script for The Last Jedi while The Force Awakens was being written and so he had no idea what was going on. But then JJ Abrams said Johnson had access to some early drafts, so he should have had an idea of what was going on. But then Kathleen Kennedy confirmed Johnson wrote his script while none of the new trilogy ideas and scripts were confirmed. But then Abrams said he wrote initial scripts for VIII and IX and Johnson chose not to use his scripts and write a new one. BUT THEN Johnson confirmed that and said he wanted to challenge all of Abrams ideas and dissect the characters and themes with his own script. B U T T H E N it was reported by Lucasfilms and others including Abrams that Johnson had to regularly get his script reviewed by the higher ups and get approval for it, during the writing of The Force Awakens. And so Abrams came out and said Johnson's script was so good, he wanted to direct it himself. I'm sure everyone is trying to make it seem like production was under control, but this seems like a case of "Too many cooks in a kitchen trying to make a 3 course meal, but nobody has even decided on what kind of restaurant this is going to be."
Yeah, sounds like studios being idiots, for sure. But the thing is if you find a great writer (they exist, even if Hollywood rarely uses them), you could write a great Star Wars script in a week. It's not a complicated franchise, you just need to make it fun, have likeable characters and a solid heroes journey, and have a few fun surprises.
That's probably the case. I like the film and I think it's a fucking mess. It's just enjoyable to me and I liked some of it's ideas. I think it had some of the best scenes in the franchise and some of the worst.
I still can't figure out how that works: "writing a script for a following episode, without having the previous in existance". What kind of writing is that... Also, your coment reminded me of Sparrow and Barbossa's discussion of who is the captain of the Black Pearl in At World's End.
About 75% of the movie is painful, if you think about how jarring and uneven the tone of the movie is, and how poorly the plot is structured. I can see a good concept of "Historically great Jedi becomes disillusioned and has to overcome his mistakes", combined with "stern chase movie where the Reb-sistance barely stays ahead of the First Order"... But it gets lost in "silly casino escapades", "Admiral Holdo My Beer, I can be a bigger hothead than Poe and cause more problems", and "Big Climactic Battle BECAUSE SYMBOLISM!".
The most confusing part of the Casino Planet plot? After Rose frees the animals and causes all sorts of destruction and confusion allowing them the chance to escape.... she proclaims this is what it was all about. Then they abandon the enslaved children....
Yeah the whole Cantobite casino thing was overlong and pointless and because of its structure you couldn’t cut it out of the film. Its what makes this movie overly long. Its like this episode of the movie Rian Johnson wanted his PETA anti cruelty towards animals statement.
See, it was a clever ruse by Mr. Johnson : you would expect them to liberate the enslaved kids, so he subverted your expectations. You did it again Disney! Such brilliance
Add to that that She and Finn illegally parked, and were legally arrested for it( which, while harsh, seems too be the local law), then decide to commit further crimes by assaulting officers of the law, breaking out of jail, stealing private property( the animals) and destruction of private/ public property. Then THEY feel superior to everyone ( as they escape, leaving , possibly, enslaved children to clean up their mess).
I think what hurts most is there's no do overs. These films were the ONE chance Disney had to reunite the cast of the original films and add to their story in a meaningful way. The only opportunity to bring Leia, Luke, Han, Chewie, Lando and the droids together again, tell add to their legacy and pass the torch to a new generation. And they blew it. They totally, utterly blew it,
Indoctrination Theory They didn't just blow it, they crashed into a fucking iceberg and sank with all souls lost. So few people are hyped for the next one its sad. Ive already been through this with Halo, I didnt need it to happen to Star Wars.
The Reality Bin But what if Lando DOESN’T die? Seriously, Star Wars fans have no clue what they want despite claims to the contrary. They will also NEVER be happy with ANY Star Wars thing regardless of quality.
Just seeing those made my body and soul hurt. People who act like this level of "comedy" was always in Star Wars films really need to watch those scenes.
"Okay, Rian. This is a very important film franchise with great story but not a perfect history, do you think you can make a good follow up to The Force Aw-" *SO WE BLOW THAT ONE UP*
i had the runs during the Last Jedi. I missed the entire casino scene. I've never seen it fully except bits and pieces, nor do I intend to. I consider that taco or whatever I ate that day to have been part of the Force, guiding me to a place of safety
I had diarrhea during that scene too, but I still saw it because I didn't get up. I sat there and everyone else left. Some people commented that my hot puddle of effluence wasn't the worst part of the experience for them. I believe them.
I asked Rian once for a Birthday Present and I gave him a list of awesome things... but all I got from him was Underwear and it wasnt even the right size. Expectations successfully subverted. (of course this never happened, but you get the idea)
When Rian Johnson’s hotel I was staying at caught fire, I rushed to the emergency fire exit door. But instead of seeing a fire exit, Rian in a chicken costume was behind the door and whacked me with a mallet. I got a mild concussion and failed to escape without getting horribly burned, but at least my expectations were definitely subverted.
When I asked Rian Johnson for a good movie he took a dump in my mouth. But then he gave me a mint condition directors cut of Doctor Strangelove signed by Stanley Kubrick so I don’t know what to think anymore.
I can never forget the look on my father's face, after seeing this tripe... When the credits rolled, he just had the most tired and defeated look... (kinda like Mark Hamills face after TLJs screening with Rian at his side) then he regained composure, put on a smile, and calmly said, "Well... it's been about 40 years. It had a good run... but this series is done." We totally pigged out at our favorite diner afterwards, to ease the blow of the movie.
Hilariously enough my father and I talked about this movie a few months ago, and coincidentally without me even bringing my own criticisms up he made the same complaints that I did. keep in mind he grew up with the original trilogy when they came out and even likes the prequels (as I do) He hated this film.
I'm the "Dad" in those stories, and the only joy I got out of the movie was the expression on my son-in-laws face when it came up in conversation. So, Rian Johnson has brought SOME people together! HAH! Subverted HIS fucking expectations, yeah?
Me and my mom felt the same. We often asked ourselves why we didn't get up and leave. I saw the movie in a crowded theater, and when it ended there were very few claps, little chatter, people just got up and quickly left with blank stares across their faces.
I still don't understand what the state of the galaxy is in the sequel trilogy. Why does the Resistance refer to itself as the Resistance? Did the New Republic not have a military? What was the Resistance resisting? Did the First Order have control of a majority of the galaxy in TFA? In the prequels and the originals, it was fairly obvious what was going on in the galaxy. How was the First Order able to build Starkiller Base, and with what resources? These questions didn't have to be answered in TFA, but they should have assuredly been answered in TLJ. I'm supposed to believe that the Republic's entire fleet was destroyed in TFA, and that, as a consequence, the Resistance only had 400 people in the entire galaxy who could fight the First Order? Bullshit. These new films seem so small in comparison to the past films. Such a shame!
Agreed 100%. Plus this Snoke guy. A really powerful force user who looks super old. Seems like he would have been alive and in his prime during the original trilogy. Where the heck did he come from? Was he Palpatine's half brother or something who was managing some remote part of the Empire when the events of the Battle of Endor happened? As it stands in TFA and TLJ, he is a paper thin abstraction of a villain.
Disney Star Wars really feels like a bad little fan fic. It's so sad. There are literally hundreds of old (now non canon, "thanks" Disney) EU storys with more franchise logic and SW lore then this mess.
Yeah, the whole thing feels underdeveloped, which made Last Jedi more disappointing to me. I was hoping questions left dangling would be answered. And it wouldn’t have taken much time to do it. Just have Luke explain all of it to Rey (i.e. the audience) while telling her about Ben turning. But I suppose Rian Johnson felt the same way and decided to drop all of that because it was too conventional to continue a story in a satisfying way, I guess.
Personally I not really disliked Rogue One (I think its could even be part of the old canon, where already many side storys about deathstar plans existed - explained with "They stole only one part of the plans"-) and even not "Solo" (but its still unnecessary), but for me Star Wars ended with the book Crucible by Roy Denning after the events of the Fate of the Jedi Saga. I'm in my 20s and Star Wars is not my one and only hobby. I haven't read everything (actually I bypassed many series & I haveto watch The Clone Wars) and with this personal canon I have enough Star Wars to read for the rest of my life and I'm okay with it. There are many fans like me out there. The Legacy era is like an optional addition, but nothing new and I disliked many aspects (like the stereotypical Sith). Whatever even this was more creative then the low reboot of Disney because Legacy was built on the events from all the other former canon books and comics and did something new with it.
_Supposedly_ the planets blown up by Starkiller Base contained both the entirety of the New Republic government and their entire military. Yes, that is as stupid as it sounds, and the fact that Starkiller Base could just magically blow up anything anywhere was lazy fucking writing. The Resistance is apparently a guerilla organization funded by the New Republic that operates behind enemy lines. this was of course only explained in supplemental material, material that next to no one who saw these movies read so it's all pretty much fucking moot.
Why did Disney dump the most important movie they were going to make in 10 years entirely with this guy? Kathleen Kennedy, what the fuck did he have on you?! Blackmail, hostages, a huge dong?! What was it?! I HATE YOU!
Corporate suits never listen to anyone who knows what they're doing, for some reason. Just look at World Championship Wrestling: You had suits like Eric Bischoff controlling things, and all he ever wanted to do was party with Hall, Nash, and Terry. Meanwhile, Cowboy Bob Orton, one of the few who actually ran the wrestling business like a wrestling business, was forced out because he said something stupid that offended a black investor retired baseball star. Or look at South Park. The only reason it was as good as it was, is because Trey Parker and Matt Stone had the gumption to front their own money, just to keep their corporate overlords from meddling. This should NOT happen, ever, but it happens ALL THE TIME.
Executives, accountants, and marketing people, in big companies, ruin everything. Period. That is why no one listened to Mark. He's a passionate, creative actor who understands his audience character, he's literally the last person anyone in this sort of environment would listen to. There's a reason why Matt Parker and Trey Stone put up their own money to ensure executive meddling stays away from South Park, and Disney's Star Wars is the reason why.
The Other Point Of View that one was honestly worse. At least Finn and Rose were kind of friends, not two people trying to murder each other. It makes sense for Rose to feel some attraction toward Finn. It makes absolutely no sense for Kylo and Rey to like each other
How the endings of Episodes IV-VI would be different if Admiral Holdo was a senior rebel leader back then: Episode IV: parade and medal presentation; Luke and Han walk towards Leia. Holdo bursts onto the dais and shouts "Arrest Skywalker! He turned off his targeting computer, thereby contravening the chain of command and breaking X-Wing flight regulations!" Episode V: Luke and Leia watch the Millennium Falcon head off to Tatooine from the viewing deck of the medical cruiser; Holdo bursts into the room and shouts "Arrest Skywalker! He flew off to Dagobah instead of rejoining the Rebel fleet after the Battle of Hoth!". Episode VI: Luke, Leia, Han and all the rebels party with Ewoks on the forest moon of Endor. Holdo storms into the Ewok village and shouts "Arrest Skywalker! He abandoned the rebel strike team and allowed himself to be captured and taken to the Death Star!".
You can carry this over to the prequels as well. Holdo would have Qui-Gon Jin arrested for subverting the Jedi Council, and later she would have Anakin arrested for insubordination to Obi-Wan. The last one might not be a bad idea, of course.
I don't remember him ever coming around to his interpretation of Luke, he said he was fine with the movie. His most recent comments are that he's still coping with his character's arc.
Plinkett's the only thing now I watch that's related to Star Wars. The entire franchise is dead to me by this point. I honestly don't even watch the good shit from Star Wars like the original films and cartoons it's become that bad.
I love the original trilogy (minus the added cgi) but I think I'm at a point where I prefer to just watch Mr Plinkett and a couple others trash the new ones because of how bad they are. Solo was the first one I watched the reviews before the movie (I've still not seen the movie). After maybe a couple more Star Wars movies someone should be able to write their own script for a brilliant movie because this franchise alone has almost covered every way in which to fail at film making. I hope aspiring directors take note of these movies to make enjoyable movies and characters in the future.
The *one awesome thing* in this movie is...Mark Hamill's acting. Despite absolutely *hating* the part he has to play, and despite it being 180° opposite the Luke Skywalker he used to play, he delivered. We might not like what he delivered, but he did it, and in perfection.
Reminds me of something Christopher Lee said: "Every actor has to make terrible films from time to time, but the trick is never to be terrible in them."
It's the hard-ass workers that make it the furthest, not the sheer talent. Mark Hamill is definetly one of those workers--just listen to his performance as the Joker in the Arkham games, which is second only to Heath Ledger's.
@@gaminglol1167 after he said how he disagreed about it I think it's called a possible breach of contract/ the NDA he definitely had to sign and they told him to tone it down
In retrospect, watching the last Jedi is like being in a bar fight. At first you're not sure what's going on, maybe the guy is just joking, then shit gets real and you're in a fight but it's not that bad, you'll get out of it with a couple of bruises, you'll learn from it and grow, then out of nowhere you get stabbed, you don't realise at first, the fight ends, the other guy's run off with your money , the adrenaline wears off and you start to feel the pain and realise the horror of what's just happened.
Nailed it, I was loving the movie but as soon as it ended, something felt off and I couldn't place it, my girlfriend asked me what I thought of it and I said something like "it was good, but..." and then about 10 minutes later after I had sorta talked through I realized how horrible it was.
Right. Because, you know, that was necessary to the plot. Unfortunately when characters fail you equate it to a waste of time and can't think for yourself.
@ to me battlestar galactica (the remake) is the show with the best combination of story and effects. Just imagine what awesome stuff could be made with current year effects and a proper script. All the wasted potential is making me very sad.
Because one only requires skill and the other requires skill + imagination. Disney, as a big corp, limits how much imagination is allowed to be used, so it's less likely the film will flop. They go by the lowest common denominator, because it's still better to have a shitty bland film than a shitty experimental film, as far as profits go.
These effects are just green screen and cgi, literally (and I mean literally in the literal sense lol) to a much greater degree than the Prequels ever had. I honestly just would like consistency lol. Not saying you weren't at all but where's all the hate for these effects nowdays? Do we now like these kind of effects? Idc either way, it does nothing for me but I'd like to know if people still have the same criticisms
The Last Jedi will be studied in film classes around the world as an example of terrible film-making. Disney/Lucasfilm will be studied in business classes around the world as an example of terrible business decisions. Episode 9 is going to fail miserably. Millions of people have been dreaming of a sequel trilogy since 1983 and Disney/Lucasfilm flushed it right down the toilet.
Michael P Statement: At this point I solved the sequel problem for myself and bought the original Trilogy about Thrawn from the 1990s. Read it and realized that I have sequels that way. I also don’t care what meatbags call canon.
Here's the problem with subverting expectations: It's not difficult -- all you need to do is something people don't expect. When Rey meets Luke, he could have punched her in the face, or been completely insane, or been eaten suddenly by a big bird -- all of this would have been unexpected. The challenge would be to do something unexpected, yet CLEVER and in keeping with what we already know. All Rian Johnson did was the unexpected.
@@LatajaceStadoKotow The film itself made a shitload of money, where they lost out is in merchandise. Toy sales are at an all time low for the series, as are most other licensed products.
The Prequels (and Return of the Jedi) played through it perfectly: Release the film in late spring for the summer blockbuster rush, then release the home video in early autumn so that kids and families get to watch it again (or several times) right before the late autumn holiday shopping rush really kicks in.This timeline worked PERFECTLY for moving merchandise- kids would demand certain action figures, lego vehicles, etc. of things that they had just seen over and over again in the movie, and it would give retailers a lot of time to move through Star Wars stock, whether toys, books, clothing, video games, whatever. Disney chose a film release schedule that does NOT work for merchandising at all, despite merchandise being Star Wars' biggest money maker- instead of the summer blockbuster window, which they probably wanted to keep exclusively for Marvel, they decided to release their Star Wars films in early December, immediately AFTER the shopping rush had mostly finished. As a result, most retailers in the fall shopping season are left clueless as to what to market to people, or how, because the actual movie that their new stock of merchandise is based on hasn't even released yet. And that's not even going into Disney's insistence on one (or more) SW movies each and every calendar year, which is another awful concept altogether. Star Wars merchandising was a methodically tuned, well-timed machine that worked over and over, generating hundreds of millions of revenue even in years with no new movie releases, and Disney went out of their way to break it down completely. I'd be shocked, but this IS the company that somehow managed to destroy the Muppets, so I can't say I'm too surprised.
@@spookbuster4862 I think the damage this movie did was evident in the lukewarm reception to Solo. This movie left a bad taste in OG fan's mouths that only bleach can fix.
"Now it's worth it" She says after leaving behind a bunch of slave children who will probably get beaten half to death for letting the (expensive?) animals out of their boxes to escape.... Seems kinda messed up
SolarDragon007 Probably because the sad reality is that it’s easier and more satisfying for many to go that route instead of actually trying to help the enslaved, poor or middle-class.
Is'nt that a theme in star wars though, that noone cares about slaves? I remember Anakin asking Qui-gon Gin about freedom for himself and his mom and Qui-gon is like nope, I won't be doing anything like that. And even later, when they are working for royalty and probably has all the money a little slave boy can carry, neither of them go back to get Anakins mom. Too busy hitting the bars, drinking and snorting kyber crystal I guess....
He just needed a good palate cleanser in order to finish the movie. Edit: Oops i guess we wrote that at the same time. Great minds think alike i guess.
We can all be thankful SW isn't like trek in that montage! We do not need that slow moving debate in star wars. But it'd be nice if the characters were intelligent and things at least made sense.
Out of all of the behind-the-scenes material, I've yet to see a single shot where Mark Hamill looked happy. It's pretty obvious he absolutely hated what Johnson did with Luke.
In their heart of hearts, is there anyone who doesn't? Plenty of people will toe the party line and say it was awesome, but they don't really believe it.
You mean after Disney threatened to pull the whole thing down on his head? I think it's much more likely Mark spoke truthfully, and from the heart and Disney told him he better stop if he knows what is good for him.
Jeff Gray Maybe you can point me in the right direction, in which video did he said he thought it was a great idea? Cause all I can find are videos of Mark saying he disagreed with Luke's character in the movie.
I remember seeing an interview with Mark Hamill and Rian Johnson at some kind of Star Wars convention before the movie came out. I was surprised by how unhappy he seemed to be there, and how rude he was to some of the fans who went up to ask him questions about the movie. At the time I thought he was just being an ass, but after seeing the movie it makes sense. Anyone in his position wouldn't have wanted to be there, promoting a movie he knew the fans would hate.
"The Last Jedi is the most embarrassing thing since my son... no, not THAT one, the OTHER one!" It's about family, and that's what makes it so powerful.
That OTHER series that's all about family .. has better writing and a more realistic and thoughtful plots.. Of course I'm talking about The Fast and The Furious.
Ford "this doesn't feel right for the character Kershner." Kersh "Ok Ford what should we do?" -Highest rated SW movie ... Hamill " this is not right for the character Johnson" Johnson "shut up Mark" -worst SW movie
I'm not a fan of the humour in TLJ, but I would've prefered it if they followed through on the comedy parts and made the entire movie a comedy, instead of what we have now, which is just inconsistent and out of place.
@@warlockofwordsreturnsrb4358 Yeah, "he needed time to adjust". Too bad it took the entire film's production time, the whole pre and post release press tours and probably a rather convinient talk from the Disney lawyers to do just that.
He was heavily criticizing the director and the script even after the movie was released. He did a 180 a few weeks later when his words were being used as ammunition against the movie by everyone online. Probably Disney got to him and forced him to stop this. He appeared miserable to almost every single interview and event except a couple he was on his own.
Finn looked like he had no idea how to react after being kissed. “Why the hell are you kissing me now? Also, I am really not that into you”. Han and Leia always seemed like they had a thing for each other with their banter and the romance felt very natural when it happened.
u r it’s when you feel like something is wrong, but you can’t exactly explain what is wrong or why it’s wrong. In other words on a subconscious level you’re aware something doesn’t make sense.
The part of the movie I died at was the part they set the animals free, but for some reason not the slaves and then say "it was worth it." Just that writing is so funny I can't explain it
Classic activist lack of a brain. I remember once some hippies tried to "save" dogs that were test subjects, but since they were midway through a test(they infected the dogs and tried to cure them with some treatment if I remember correctly), when the activist stole them, they all died.
Now funny thing is what those slaves probably will be punished with repairing all the damage done to casino. And those freed animals will either die in the wilderness (they grew up in captivity, right?) or will be easily recaptured. It was truly worth it to make things even worse for everyone because of "muh rich people are bad", Rose
@@PorkFork That's the part I forgot that made me originally laugh with all of this! That was the point I wanted to explain oh god how could I forget that
@@Kesslerification Honestly, I think Kennedy's inner monolouge was running along the lines of, "If the tripe this SNAG is writing sells, I've done my job and so be it."
i loved the casino scene, it really made me rethink my values and I decided too stop sending my allowance money too the military industrial complex in my real life.
I am Lockheed Martin irl, I can confirm. I just never thought about it before because I was never exposed to any hamfisted political messaging made by other multibillion dollar corporations. There just isn't enough for us war profiteers to take notice, but I'm doing my part to change that by reporting 1/2 star ratings on rottentomatoes
For me, the biggest thing I noticed after the credits rolled my first time watching TLJ was that I didn't feel anything. Nothing. I didn't feel excitement or frustration. Just nothing. It felt like I didn't even watch a Star Wars movie. It felt like I didn't even watch a movie at all. It felt like I just spent two-and-a-half hours watching images play on a screen and none of it registered to me at all. It was just simply there and I barely cared at all about existence itself. I suppose the best way to describe it is "I felt hollow while watching it and two seconds after leaving the auditorium I don't even remember watching a movie."
This is called Nihilism and it's the core of the film, so I guess it succeeded in that regard at least. Search "Nihilism and Post-Modernism in Hollywood" by David Stewart. It's a great explanation of the belief system.
That's literally exactly how I felt. And then I watched it again because I'd already bought tickets. Then it went from feeling nothing to frustration to rage.
I didn’t wanna go rewatch it and that’s how i knew it wasn’t something special. The previous 2 (rogue one, TFA) i couldn’t wait to go back in and see it because there was just something magical about them. But I’ve only seen TLJ once on opening night. Haven’t seen it since.
I honestly thought Admiral Holdo was a mole for the empire before they revealed the light speed tracker. The way her scenes were shot and her dialogue made her look like a bad guy. Turns out she was "doing the right thing" the whole time and her whole purpose was to antagonize Poe and kamikaze the cruiser. An absolute pointless character put there for the sake of 𝓈𝓊𝒷𝓋𝑒𝓇𝓈𝒾o𝓃.
Yah, everything about her character makes you think she's evil. And it's truly bizarre the characters never consider the possibility of 'mole' or 'someone stuck a tracking beacon on us', instead going whole hog on the "They've got this brand new technology that we didn't think was quite finished yet". Think about it, if there was a mole or tracking beacon on the fleet, then Finn and Roses plan wouldn't have achieved anything. Granted, it didn't achieve anything anyway, and Finn could have been removed from the movie completely and nothing would have changed, except that it'd be shorter. But still, the characters gamble everything on what is, by the logic of the story, the least likley explanation, while completely ignoring the far more reasonable ones. Don't forget that the movie calls attention to the tracking device that they gave to Rey so that she could find them once she got Luke. Tracking devices that work through hyperspace are already in the movie, so there's no excuse for the writers forgetting that as a thing that can be done.
Finn could have had a much better and simpler arc if, instead of doing nothing at an exotic location the whole film, he had been part of Po's mutiny. How does Finn react to holding a gun again, given that he ran away from the First Order just to avoid doing that? Plus it could have thrown some moral ambiguity on Po's actions, instead of it seeming like he was doing objectively the right thing the whole time. Po would have had someone we (and he) care about second-guessing his leadership, which is probably what that storyline needed?
21:07 Admiral Holdo: "You bet the survival of the resistance on bad odds and put us all at risk." That line didn't age well. We learn in the third movie, that holdo suicide maneuver was once in a million chance thing.
@@mfaure420 In Rise of Skywalker, someone suggests performing Holdo's suicide hyperspace ram maneuver again to save them, but it is quickly shot down as a one in a million chance of success. So Holdo berating Poe for taking bad odds to try and save everyone is hypocritical with that knowledge if her last ditch plan was also a shot in the dark.
@@vashoom Holdo was an insanely stupid character throughout TLJ, so being a hypocrite fits in with that. In regards to hyperspace ramming, there was nothing that any writer could have done to make that bullshit fit into Star Wars. Rian Johnson just randomly decided to do the hyperspace ram, with zero fucks given towards how much it would break everything else. I have no issues with hyperspace ramming being discarded with a single sentence "one in a million" , because there is nothing else that could be said about it.
I've watched readings of My Little Pony fanfics better scripted than Last Jedi. And I feel like I'm insulting the MLP Fanfics by making that comparison. Last Jedi is the FFX of movies, because Final Fantasy X was a highly ambitious deconstruction that had its big story get lost behind flashy visuals and poor scripting.
Shenaldrac ... You have a good point that I'm insulting Final Fantasy X by comparing it to the Last Jedi in that manner. Well I did not like Final Fantasy X, and I could not connect with the characters at all, after all these years from playing it I can admit that I see why people love it so much. I apologize for insulting Final Fantasy X by that comparison. I will make it a point to make my comparison more nuanced from now on, pointing out that Final Fantasy X does have a coherent story that goes from beginning to end. Which just makes the Last Jedi that much more sad in the end. Also on a random Final Fantasy X related note: I figured out the big twist with the final summon the absolute first time that term was mentioned. That's a major reason why the game did not connect with me. But yeah, there is a significant difference in the need for nuance there.
No one ever imagined a film worse than the prequels could be made, but Rian Johnson somehow managed it. Aspects of the prequels are just as bad/inferior as TLJ, but George was at least always playing to the fanbase and throwing the audience a few bones. As stated in this review, lack of drama and tension completely kills the film. Even the prequels had some of that.
The whole idea to make Ep7 a soft reboot really torpedoed the franchise in an insulting and hurtful way. By its very nature, a soft reboot undermines and partially retcons the plot and purpose of the original source material. It's fine to soft reboot something like Ghostbusters where the sequels were basically garbage. But it's not okay to soft reboot Star Wars! Like Plinkett say it's almost as though Rian Johnson was forced to do what he did or else just retread Empire! How bad would that have been? It's just sad how Disney not only made bad movies, but decided to throw Luke Skywalker, Leia Organa, basically the entire point and impact of Episode 6, Yoda, and the prequels into a garbage can and shit on them. How long until they try to destroy all records and copies of the original 6 films?
With the benefit of hindsight and the contributions of other revisions of beloved current era mythos, this was part of an intentional and purposive destruction of culture to degrade and demoralise a public otherwise strengthened by culture of this kind.
I have an original idea. All of the Star Wars fans could collectively not watch Star Wars Episode 9. It would subvert Disney's expectations. That's how you know it is a good idea.
RJ says, “The only thing i would really want is a good movie that delights me in ways i didnt expect.” Hey jackass, the problem is all the changes you made were distasteful and unbelievable. Its not the fact that you made changes, it’s the end result. Let me give u a food analogy that even Gordan Ramsey would agree with, becuz if you know anything about the upper echelons of cooking, it’s about making the dish better, not changing it for worse for the sake of it. Thats like if a chef wanted to make a delicious new dish at a beloved restaurant, so his bright idea is to take a favorite recipe and degrade it by changing what made it great in the first place and replacing it with the exact opposite, instead of trying to contribute to it which helps it reach another level (which is what all great chefs do, they ENHANCE IT by adding their own twist to a dish, they dont try to reinvent the fckin wheel becuz there’s a time and place for everything, genius!) Thats NOT what the owner asked for, the owner asked to make a known dish BETTER. He didnt ask to make a NEW dish with the same frckin name to try to fool customers. Why? Cuz thats not what the customers want, thats not why they keep coming back to this restaurant, so they can be tricked. They came to eat delicious food from a restaurant they know damm well, and whether its an old or new menu, it better be good for the same reason. So when it ends up tasting bad, he blames his favorite customers that it’s because it’s not what they’re used to and they dont have an open mind. THAT IS NOT THE CASE. In fact, a favorite customer, who is a big fan of the restaurant, is not only open to something new, they welcome it because they love the food there and would be excited to hear there’s a new, delicious dish, BUT TO A CERTAIN DEGEE- CHANGES THAT WOULD ENHANCE THE FLAVOR, MAKE IT EVEN BETTER. NOT THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF WHAT MAKES IT GOOD, NOT THE OTHER END OF THE FCKIN SPECTRUM. But then, when it tastes bad because it’s something that shouldnt even be sold in that restaurant, you blame the customer??? if you go to a delicious burger spot that wants to try something new, they should give you a new and different type of burger, not a shitty sushi roll. and? THE CUSTOMERS WOULD BLAME THE CHEF. THE OWNER WOULD BLAME THE CHEF. Yet the chef has the audacity to say the customers are a buncha “man-babies” ? What an idiot.
De Jota It shows how god awful Star wars is in general. Star Trek will always require more brain power to comprehend. Thats why I watch Rick and Morty.
The Star Wars universe itself aside, the main reason TLJ is so disliked is because it's an incomprehensible mess of a script. While Trek definitely places more emphasis on the "science" of things, the original SW trilogy wasn't so poorly written that it insulted the audience's intelligence.
@@pablofreeman8808 Star Wars has always been more of a fantasy/scfi than Star trek it's just that the previous movies the writing wasn't as broken. Well save for midi-chlorians (I have no idea how to spell it).
@@dejota1136 Star Trek has plenty of space magic, from transporters to the plot convenience of phaser settings to psionics/empaths to magic food-making machines and effectively infinite energy. But because Star Wars put their space wizards at the center of the story and gave them swords, IT'S the only space fantasy.
I really appreciate how RLM gives their senior citizen friend a platform for his art projects. I know not many people watch them, but it's great Mr. Plinkett has an outlet.
Scenes are usually deleted for pacing reasons. Wampas running wild and attacking the tunnels of Hoth in the heat of battle? Okay, pretty sweet, but there's a bit much going on already--I can see why they would clip it. Finn and Rose falling through a ceiling on top of an ass-naked farting monster? A Yosemite Sam Stormtrooper smacking Finn's ass in the middle of a tense scene? Who the fuck even okayed this shit?
Be honest, who else thought leia flying in space was funny when they first saw it? My theatre was laughing at what was supposed to be a huge dramatic reveal. The tone of this movie is TSHI!
Yeah, I went on opening night, and my theater was laughing at that scene. They also laughed the first time Holdo came on screen. I think they were laughing at her purple hair?
bananian oooh somebody’s panties got in a twist. Rian johnson is a filmmaker, who was put in charge of the most beloved film franchise ever, with unlimited budget, and still coughed out a incoherent, frequently cringe-inducing pile of crap. Also, fuck yourself.
@@hatefulgaming1800 i looked it up and it sais 91% critics 45%audience. The audience score on rotten tomatoes is never reliable. Most accounts are just one time log ins tht were created specifically to downvote a movie. But what do i know? Im just a guy who thinks any person should just watch a movie and think for themselves. I watch these reviews anyway because they're funny and i just wanna see why they didnt like it. But are you really gonna let someone else determine how you feel about something before trying it? If some stranger on the internet told you never to try pizza because they didnt like it, would you do it simply because they told you or would you try it and see if they were right?
@@21DaHoagie12 Not anymore. Anybody who continues watching Disney Star Wars is willfully ignorant of the fact they will always produce nothing above corporate garbage.
@@doomstadt2371 if you genuinely wanted to be surprised, watch Empire. After about 2 of the big “gotcha!” moments, none of them actually surprised me because I knew that Rian was just going to do the opposite of what made sense. You see, there’s a difference between surprising people and defying logic. When people expect one thing to happen, it’s usually because it’s the next logical step. A movie being predictable at the very start isn’t good, but if you can guess what the characters are about to do most of the time by the time you reach the end, that’s probably just because it makes sense for them to do that. Near the end of Empire, the moment Luke finds out about his friends being in danger, you instantly know that Luke is going to go after them and is not going to listen to Yoda’s advice because that’s the kind of person Luke is. Him leaving Yoda to go save his friends is exactly what Luke Skywalker at that point in the trilogy would do as established by previous scenes. It makes sense that he would do that, and thus him doing that isn’t the movie being predictable, it’s the audience being smart enough to understand what kind of person Luke is and being able to rationally predict his next course of action. Audiences aren’t stupid, and it isn’t a failure of a director if they get to a point where they can guess where the plot will go on decently short notice. Rian Johnson just does the opposite of what makes sense in terms of characters and in terms of logic. Holdo is blatantly a terrible leader who is trying to string along everyone with her based on blind faith in a plan she refuses to tell anyone. No good leader would ever conceal that much information from their subordinates in a time of crisis. Teaching people that they should just follow whatever the leaders say because they’re smarter than the people they command is an awful lesson. So the reveal that Holdo actually did have a plan the whole time isn’t a plot twist, it’s defying logic. Same goes for nearly every other major “subversion” in this stupid movie. They get predictable after two of them because you can just predict that whatever is going to happen is the opposite of what would logically happen.
I am so happy that Plinkett mentioned all the Rebels that died in this movie. In spite of the cheerful, hopeful mood at the end, the Resistance fleet was decimated! They should have been quiet and shell-shocked. And it wasn’t just my brain that noticed it; Every part of me did.
+JE Gonzalez-Yeah, the fact that the 12 PEOPLE that managed to survive at the end just. . .jumped to already celebrating and popping out the corks on the wine (so to speak. . .), laughing and hugging each other after most of the people they know and love from the Rebellion are dead, the (not)-Empire has them on the run with the tail between their legs, and their resources are almost utterly depleted and no one is going to "sponsor" them, much less care if they win or not. . .THAT is honestly just. . .shocking to no end. . . That'd be like after the disaster that turned out to be the Bay of Pigs. . .everyone threw a huge, countrywide parade. . .Like, what the actual fuck? I get the intent that as long as there are survivors willing to continue the cause, there is still hope. . .BUT it's just done so braindead and without any concern or mourning for the 388 people they lost. Heck, Leia even has no cause to be as optimistic as she is. . .She lost her husband only a few days ago-murdered by her own son. . . Her brother is dead. . . Her son has moved on to become the next Emperor that will kill and enslave the entire galaxy. . .Technically, she is the LAST of her entire family (whether not they do retcon this movie and establish Rey is a Skywalker after all. . .), biological or even adopted. . .She has lost everything. . .and yet, she's all but doing an Irish tapdance at the end because they still have "everything they need right there. . ." I. . . .I just. . .
It would make sense if they were like "other systems are rising up, joining our cause" or "we have a plan, a secret fleet we're going to link up with" but it's not. It's "yeah, we're 12 people. An utterly negligible military force who is going to somehow overthrow the First Order". If you say so.
al Mamlūk A massive Galaxy and just 12 rebels and no support from any other race or planet or system. Not what you would call a thing worth making a film about. A bunch of f*****g losers. A bunch of heartless delusional losers. Wow, what a great franchise this has become. I really feel so sorry for the actors and actresses. For poor Laura Dern, for instance, being body shamed (admiral purple hair gender studies) and hated for the lines she was given. It is horrible evil abuse. That is what this new Star Wars is to me now. Hatred and abuse.
It's amazing that this guy has developed the definitive online Star Wars review content vis a vis this Plinkett persona. I mean, let's be real, this is the most accurate and often times fair critique of the franchise, and done in a way that proves expert level familiarity with the movies. For what comes off as the insane ramblings of an unmedicated bipolar, it really is elite-level film critique.
I've got to say that I give that title to MauLer's 4 hour critique of TLJ. Its really a wonderful watch for anyone who likes understanding why things failed. I highly recommend it!
I agree. This man is a beast in movie critique. I can't think of anyone better. Even if you enjoy The last Jedi. He only provides solid facts throughout the ramblings. Makes everybody go 'damn, he's right'.
Loved when they introduced the kamikaze light speed tactic, proving that every previous character in Star Wars was an idiot for not trying it sooner and throwing the entire universe into utter chaos by giving every person with even a garbage freighter virtually unlimited firepower. I clapped.
Amazing that after all the videos people made about why TLJ sucks, Plinkett still breaks it down in ways nobody else has. The bit about comedy pacing, the emotional levity at the end, wow. Phenomenal review. (I even liked the Star Trek references and didn't groan for once!)
@@ThatOneDudeWhoPostsStuff I don't even know what that means. I can't stand the anti-SW UA-cam channels. Not because I think Disney Star Wars is good but these UA-camrsmaybe made a good video once that got a lot of views and have been beating a dead horse for over six months since and have nothing new or original to add....
Oh poor Rian didn't notice such tiny details. And he thought he was so smart for having Luke's projection not leave red traces in the salt. Honestly, all I thought was weird was the blue lightsaber but at this point I simply thought he fucked up again and didn't pay any heed to that.
The problem is he JUST focused on subverting expectations. like honestly, I'm okay with trying to do weird shit with star wars but FOCUS ON MAKING A GOOD STORY first god damn
pzyko zillah the problem with his subversion was that he just dropped all these plot threads JJ had as soon as they were introduced and didn’t have anything to substitute them with
@Goose idk I like the mandalorian, I really like clone wars. I didnt think these things would be good but they're pretty cool. They feel like star wars while also introducing a lot of weird stuff But the whole new trilogy just feels like it was made in a factory by people who dont even like star wars
'The First Order comes off as comically powerful, with unlimited resources. It kinda’ makes you wonder - why are they even bothering chasing down an elderly lady and all of her friends, who only have a handful of spaceships. The fuck are they gonna do?' YES! I've been saying this for months! There is no war, The Empire has won by knockout. In a galaxy of quadrillions of people and a military so powerful that it can conquer that galaxy in a matter of days, what difference is 12 people on the Millennium Falcon gonna do? This trilogy is done. Just call it off now. PLEASE.
RanduinsOmen Yeah, I mean I’m clear on that, although the First Order seems to be much more powerful than the Empire for some reason. What I hate is the fundamental conception of it all. We’ve already seen Empire v Rebels and the war was resolved with the perfect ending. It is just a cynical and uncreative approach to retell the same story and blow away the achievements of the Rebels in the OT. It makes it all very cheap and hollow. The less said about Rey Sue and the character assassination of Luke, the better.
+Jim I am not sure if you are familiar with the “Avatar: The Last Airbender” and “Legend of Korra” cartoons on Nickelodeon, but the Star Wars sequel trilogy to me is pretty much coming off as what “The Legend of Korra” could have ended up as, if the premise just involved the world being threatened by a less impressive copy of the Fire Lord’s army and Aang’s earlier victories being rendered completely pointless. As much as people consider TLoK to be weaker than ATLA, especially since all the Korra seasons were separate small stories (rather than one giant three-season story), at least TLoK went through the effort to introduce new villains and conflicts and make the world feel like it moved on and progressed from the last series, instead of just rehashing everything or trying to “surprise” us with constant 180-degree turns.
But,but the last jedi. Psssh the only way for this to work is if the female jedi /koff defector to dark side decides to take over the new empire, Sith's seem to be able to take over. Just forget it, bring in the jar jar sith lord who does hostile take over.
Mark No, I'm not familiar with it, though I've noticed Ivan Ortega (the guy whose re-editing TLJ if you didn't know) has done some videos on TLA, so I might check it out. I wish they never did the sequel trilogy. It is pointless from an artistic or creative point of view. The story ended perfectly in Return of the Jedi. This trilogy is purely a money-making exercise. They could've respected the Skywalker saga and just done Rogue One style stories to revisit the Empire era and maybe pick up with the legends of Luke after Endor etc. That would've been brilliant. Then their flagship could've been a brand new series set in a different time period will all-new characters.
They need a complete and radical overhaul. They need stories and characters so different they defy comparisons to the OT. Still, that would entail risk -- and Disney doesn't like risk beyond a certain point. That's why Ep9 is going back to the OT cast for anyone they haven't killed yet!
@@ADeadlierSnake so they'll probably keep uploading those kinds of vids and then deleting later on. No sense of keeping those kinds of videos so none of the subscribers will come back to watch the video, unless they enjoy getting trolled repeatedly and intentionally
I laughed at the comment, it is true, but my expectations were subverted when I clicked "show more" and found Scott K. His stupidity is funnier, sorry dude.
I hate the term they keep trying to force on everyone. " It subverted your expectations" and that's why it's good. No assholes; that's called disappointment. When you expect something to be good and it's not it's called *disappointment*.
There's a difference between: "Instead of the Trained Hero Warrior who has been keeping the Plucky Comic Relief alive this entire time, the Plucky Comic Relief gets the kill shot on the Big Bad Evil Guy because he is fearless and has a previously foreshadowed skill, while everyone else is viewing the Villain as nigh unstoppable. And then the Plucky Comic Relief also beats the Villain's Minions, because he's thinking outside of the "direct combat" box!" (Bonus points if you can guess what movie I'm referring to with that example.) And: "HAH! You thought the hero was going to be a hero?! And you also thought the Charming Rogue would have a heart of gold too? NOPE! Broken man and greedy coward! Also, the big villain was not just killed in a stunning betrayal... his protege makes the most cliche'd choice to keep being evil possible! WHAT BRILLIANCE! It will divide everyone like I LOVE TO DO!"
@@hariman7727 big trouble in little v China. Took me a dozen views before I realized jack Burton was actually the comic relief and his sidekick was the real hero.
I honestly have no idea why Disney even game Ryan Johnson such a high role in making such a massive and important movie. Like, he’s not even that bad at making movies but I can’t possibly think of a worse person to write AND direct a Star Wars movie
Kathleen Kenedy is the answer, and the real question should be: why was K.K. put in charge of the star wars franchise without even having a fleshed out plan.
At the very least you'd think they'd choose someone with even a primary school level of understanding how space and/or gravity works. In a movie where half of it takes place in space.
@@noone3216 to be fair, you need only an elementary level knowledge on space to know that most shit in Star Wars makes no sense (like how ships being set on fire in space is completely impossible). That was never really the issue
Dear Mr Plinket, You mentioned that X-wings having hyperdrive was first mentioned in Return of the Jedi. This is not correct as Luke used his X-wing in Empire to get between Hoth, Degobah and the Bespin cloud city, a distance the Millenium Falcon had to use Hyper Drive for. I know how deeply you appreciate this correction, and I will forward an address for you to fax my pizza rolls shortly.
Maybe he meant that you don't see the hyper drive go into action to those destinations, so up until Return of the Jedi it's not official. I'm not 100% sure though, and may be wrong.
I like your avatar and username. But still we never see an X-Wing use a hyperdrive until VI so I always assumed he just flew around normally and we weren't supposed to think about it. See small ships use hyperdrive in VI kinda shocked me the first time I watched it.
"to get between Hoth... and the Bespin cloud city, a distance the *Millenium Falcon* had to use *Hyper Drive* for." Do you not remember the plot of The Empire Strikes Back?
Pretty sure they flew the Millenium Falcon from the asteroid field to Bespin in order to get the Hyper Drive fixed. And Han entered the asteroid field from Hoth when their jump failed to avoid the Star Destroyers. So...PZ you're kind of stupid and forgot the plot. I assumed Luke hyperdrived to Degobah and then to Bespin though.
There's no reason for Rey to care about Kylo Ren. She should hate him, it's like Leia wanting to help out Grand Moff Tarkin. It's completely inexplicable.
+Dok scrofula-And it's not Rey doesn't realize Kylo is an overgrown emo bastard who continues to try to enslave the entire galaxy, killed several children/his friends, has tried to hunt down and murder his uncle and mother, actually killed his own father and Rey's father figure (Han), almost permanently paralyzed a good friend (Finn), murdered thousands of people and placed their bodies in a fucking mass grave he could watch, keeps his grandfather's remains "on the shelf," and is now the new Emperor of this Nu-Empire. Not to mention he has tortured her several times and has attempted to kill her where she even picked up a lightsaber and beat his ass so he wouldn't be able to kill her, even slicing off freaking body parts. So the fact she is willing to care and trust this emo maniac over an ex-Jedi who. . .is a massive dick. . .is simply asinine and braindead. . .Despite that Rian Johnson claims Rey is a child of "nobodies," I feel the concern Rey and Kylo have for each other is a half-assed way to foreshadow that Rey is Kylo's younger sister/niece. Otherwise, there is no reason why either one of them would care so much about each other. Unless Kylo really wanted to emo it up and envied Rey because she didn't know her parents (emo: "Luuuucky. . . .)-which unfortunately, I don't think the movies were ever trying to go that way. If Rey really was a "nobody," just some random superpowered chick. . .Kylo should have zero interest in her and just see and lock in on her as an enemy that deserves to be put down much like his parents. . .And for Rey. . .just see all above. . .and after she had watched Kylo killed his own father and her father figure, almost permanently paralyzed a good friend, and would have left them on an exploding planet to die, she should just see him as a rabid dog that needs to be put down, someone below reproach or any compassion. Because once she rejected his offer to the Dark Side, he was perfectly content to try and blow her up to smithereens. . . .
@@timy9197 Rey has always been a shell of a nothing of a character-just a vacant, empty Mary Sue void who has no past, no family (allegedly), and just comes literally out of nowhere to just. . .do whatever and be absolutely perfect at everything and anything she ever tries. . .And the only thing that has ever been remotely "interesting" (heavy emphasis on the quotations) about her is that she may or may not be a Skywalker. She may or may not be Luke's daughter/niece and I don't believe J.J. Abrams had any real idea if she was or not with The Force Awakens (other option being the answer Rian Johnson stuck with: she was always a child of "nobodies" that sold her for booze, which will now likely be retconned since they realized how everyone got angry that both Abrams and Johnson wasted all our $%$%$%$ time with a mystery that didn't need to be one, Skywalker or not. . .And I'd really like to know who still cares at this point. . .) So everyone had their time absolutely wasted for three-four years now, expecting, hoping to find out if Rey is ever going to be a fleshed out character or not. Spoiler: no. . . Being or not being a Skywalker should never have been the ONLY interesting thing about Rey, the only semblance of a character anyone could ever hold on, and even if she does wind up being a Skywalker, who cares? She's just not nearly as likable or human as Luke in the original trilogy and never was-she's pretty akin not even to cardboard (because at least cardboard has some kind of "dimension" (you can prop it up. . .) )but rather a collective, broken thread of string that superficially seems to whole but will unravel and fall apart if you look hard enough and realize there's just absolutely nothing there. . .
@@dragonknightleader1 Well if you saw how Padme was dressing in Attack of the Clones...at least you could tell yourself that she was testing him, and by that I mean cockteasing him. As forced as Anakin and Padme's "relationship" seemed, at least there was something going on between the two. With TLJ, I don't know how to feel about Kylo+Ray, Poe+Finn, Finn+Rose, or Finn+Ray, it's like there's too much forced romance into this.
@@arthurballs9632 If you are entertained by unbelievable stupidity! BTW, if you closed yourself in a refrigerator at that time, you would not be able to open it from the inside, and would suffocate to death! They also were not made of lead, so he would die from radiation or cancer within a year!!
to be fair, Indiana Jones also jumped out of an airplane in an inflatable dingy, landed on the side of a snowy mountain and X-Gamed his way to safety... At some point you just have to accept goofy action in a goofy action movie. Part of the problem is that grown adults consider this shit as "serious" when it was originally produced decades ago when they were kids. That's not to excuse any warts in TLJ, which was plenty clunky in general... But goofy and never very well defined force powers leading to a goofy outcome shouldn't be surprising. Jedi can run real fast and jump real high right until the screenwriters figure it would be more dramatic if they couldn't. The whole house of cards collapses after a few seconds of critical thought. It can't be pinned on a given moment in a given film, it's death by 1,000 tiny cuts.
@Make You Seethe Well of course, they are both silly movies that aren't grounded in reality. I think we're on the same page, as that's the main point of my comment... A lot fans hold up Leia doing her goofball Peter Pan moves in space as being dumb or Indy hiding in the refrigerator as being dumb.... But those same people never seemed to have much of an issue with the Ewok hang glider or Indy using a rubber dingy as a parachute. My point was these things were always goofy... but it didn't seem to bother people 30 or 40 years ago... only now is all this shit dumb.
@@nailmontana1993 idk why. I liked Kyle Campbell's comment, dunno why you'd get a notification about that. This is your first comment in the thread that I can see though.
@@kylecampbell565 I wish Holdo did come back in the Rise of Skywalker, and when others ask how she survived she'd say: "My hair is a path to many abilities some would find... unnatural"
On Rey, one of the weirdest aspects of her, and a large part of why I think people have trouble have connecting with her, is that she has no meaningful connection with the main characters in The Last Jedi. Compare her to Luke for example, in The Empire Strikes Back his whole motivation to go to Cloud City is a deep fear of what's going to happen to his friends. You can see his fear, his blood pumping, his determination for action, and also see exactly how that fear makes him vulnerable. And, before that, you even get those moments back on Hoth, scenes like him nearly dying in the snow and needing to be saved by Han, or the now awkward kiss between him and Leia. These are relationships that give him stronger motivations for his behavior, strengthening is already well defined sense of adventure and desire for action. With Rey, to be fair, there's a bit of interaction and potential chemistry (in a character interaction/person worth fighting for kind of way) between her and Finn in the Force Awakens that gave the film a little heart, but none of that comes into play here. She has no connection, no motivation, no reason to exist in the larger story of the Resistance. Hell for all the talk of this movie and feminism she barely has any agency or drive beyond what feels like her bad boy crush on Ren, which just doesn't feel as meaningful and Luke and his friends in Empire, or as revelatory as Luke trying to save Vader in ROTJ. She still fares better than Finn - the only interesting character of the first movie - but considering she's the main character and supposed protagonist, she has little purpose in the larger story. She's very floaty, hard to read, and passive.
She had a meaningful relationship with Han in TFA... but he dead. She also had some companionship with Finn in that movie, but this movie has Finn and Rey separate for like 99% of the runtime. Her relationship with Kyle Ren has the potential to be very interesting, but the fact that this movie feels like it’s expecting the next film to give the payoff for that leaves it very muddled.
She also doesn't have a position. In Empire during the time skip Luke worked his way up to Lutnenint. He was fully a part of the Rebellion and had worked with them and gained friends and had responsibilities to them. What does Ray have? She is still technically a rookie and has no real ties to the Rebellion or what they do beyond being friends with Finn.
The only “character flaw” that I can possibly think of for Rey is that she wants to know about her parents... except that’s not a character flaw. It’s a specific desire. People NEED character flaws. As much as I enjoyed The Force Awakens my biggest issue with it was that Rey was not only good as nearly everything she does, but she didn’t even really EARN her talents through character growth. By the end of the first Star Wars movie, Luke’s Force powers had only amounted to being able to aim a torpedo superhumanly well one time. The The Empire Strikes Back saw Luke training through much of the movie and he still gets his ass handed to him by Vader at the end. It isn’t until the end of the third film that he has finally grown strong enough to hold his own against Vader because he EARNED it and we SAW him grow. And now compare that to Rey in the TFA, able to repel the mind powers of Kyle Ren, a trained user of the Force, despite having ZERO training whatsoever.
Could've probably worked had Hux instead punched her or something instead of screaming and pulling away, but since he's written as a child's cartoon villain in a trilogy that has a hard on for female independence and male inferiority, we can't have the villian, a male no less, hurting a side character hero, who's more importantly a woman.
The First Order is what happens when you make a caricature of bad guys. You accent the stuff you don't like about them, at the same time making it utterly impossible to make them believable.
Wow, 23 minutes in before Star Trek is brought up. Now that's willpower.
No, he was just subverting our expectations
So we blow that one up!?
then mentions it 20 times, i love this review
I've seen this raw strength only once before. It didn't scare me enough then. It does now
Let's all congratulate Mike Stoklasa for his amazing restraint.
That kiss Rose plants on Finn is probably one of the single most uncomfortable cinematic moments I've ever witnessed.
Indoctrination Theory you should stay in more.
It was even creepier than Steve Kissing Sharon.
It was more cringeworthy than Luke kissing Leia (after finding out they're siblings)...how did they manage that one??
we didn't know that at the time.
If Finn crashed his ship into Rose's heroic sacrifice so he could make out with her without her consent, he'd be locked up
The comparison between National Lampoon’s Vacation and The Last
Jedi is both unexpected and brilliant. That’s how you subvert expectations, people.
can Plinkett make the next star wars movie?
@@theangryMD that would just be Saw but with Ewoks.
Their ship got a parking ticket. That literally happened in Spaceballs.
@@atomicviking2497, Remember the planetary shield in Rogue One? Spaceballs.
no it didnt
Your name and Pfp are beyond cringe
@dukeofthedance8062 Lmao never thought I'd see my good personal friend Nick Mullen as a writer for a second space balls but it would honestly be brilliant.
Jesus Crisp.. 😂
Why is Rich Evans always a perfect stand-in for all of these fucking Star Wars directors. He didn't even need a costume this time
I'm confused. Rich Evans wasn't in this.
Though I did like the part where Rian Johnson subverted my expectations and spilled wine on the table.
You should see his impersonation of Kerschner; it's indistinguishable from his impersonation of Dan O'Bannon.
Because he's fat, short and diabetic, like 95% of all directors.
Because he has Rian's perfectly round potato head.
i was like half asleep when i first saw this and thought it was really rian johnson for a second
It’s Rian not Ryan? Even his name subverts my expectations.
+Reckful-For awhile, I though it was Ree-an, not Ryan. . . I was even going to give him the benefit of the doubt and wondered if he was Irish. . .Nope. . .dude is a Maryland native. . .So, even that little "interesting" piece about him I originally thought was all wrong. . .
Some fun little tidbits. . .He directed a few episodes of Breaking Bad. . .Plinkett's joke about him being a folk singer wasn't just some throwaway joke about how he looks like a pretensious hipster folk singer.. . .He is actually IS a folk singer. . .And a banjo player apparently. . .He is part of a duo with his brother Nathan called The Preserves. . . So. . .there is that. . .
Rian Johnson really likes subverting expectations.
People expected him to make a good movie.
RJ says, “The only thing i would really want is a good movie that delights me in ways i didnt expect.” Hey jackass, the problem is all the changes you made were distasteful and unbelievable. Its not the fact that you made changes, it’s the end result.
Let me give u a food analogy that even Gordan Ramsey would agree with, becuz if you know anything about the upper echelons of cooking, it’s about making the dish better, not changing it for worse for the sake of it.
Thats like if a chef wanted to make a delicious new dish at a beloved restaurant, so his bright idea is to take a favorite recipe and degrade it by changing what made it great in the first place and replacing it with the exact opposite, instead of trying to contribute to it which helps it reach another level (which is what all great chefs do, they ENHANCE IT by adding their own twist to a dish, they dont try to reinvent the fckin wheel becuz there’s a time and place for everything, genius!) Thats NOT what the owner asked for, the owner asked to make a known dish BETTER. He didnt ask to make a NEW dish with the same frckin name to try to fool customers. Why? Cuz thats not what the customers want, thats not why they keep coming back to this restaurant, so they can be tricked. They came to eat delicious food from a restaurant they know damm well, and whether its an old or new menu, it better be good for the same reason.
So when it ends up tasting bad, he blames his favorite customers that it’s because it’s not what they’re used to and they dont have an open mind. THAT IS NOT THE CASE. In fact, a favorite customer, who is a big fan of the restaurant, is not only open to something new, they welcome it because they love the food there and would be excited to hear there’s a new, delicious dish, BUT TO A CERTAIN DEGEE- CHANGES THAT WOULD ENHANCE THE FLAVOR, MAKE IT EVEN BETTER. NOT THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF WHAT MAKES IT GOOD, NOT THE OTHER END OF THE FCKIN SPECTRUM. But then, when it tastes bad because it’s something that shouldnt even be sold in that restaurant, you blame the customer???
if you go to a delicious burger spot that wants to try something new, they should give you a new and different type of burger, not a shitty sushi roll. and? THE CUSTOMERS WOULD BLAME THE CHEF. THE OWNER WOULD BLAME THE CHEF. Yet the chef has the audacity to say the customers are a buncha “man-babies” ? What an idiot.
Please Mike, we are desperately waiting for your Plinkett’s Review of Rise of Skywalker video. Pleaseee man!
@E . A Plinkett is fed up with his dead wife and sons yet he still talks about them so i doubt it.
He suffered enough for our entertainment, man. Let him rest... Let him rest...
@@hannibalburgers477 The dementia will kick in and he's gonna forget he ever suffered anything
You must've turned the video off like two minutes before the end, didn't you?
The Rise of Plinkett will be the greatest movie review ever released.
Mr plinkett 1 million views not trending, Star Wars resistance trailer 113k views trending, work that one out!
RLM usually trends though... I'm guessing a critical assessment of Star Wars is not allowed to trend. Fuck youtube and their spineless avarice.
Easy: Star Wars caters to dumb little kids now.
Thanks, now I saw that godawful video.
And just like that YT's trending system has lost all credibility first that stupid buzzfeed video getting trending and not the Godzilla KOTM trailer? Yeah Rest in piss trending credibility.
Money talks.
My takeaway from all this was that If Mr. Plinkett had let Rian Johnson keep working on his lawn, we all would have been spared from The Last Jedi.
Star Trek reference. Somewhere off-screen Jay is staring into a camera
the quantity of slide whistles in this was very reassuring
The fact that John Boyega is on record saying he hates what happened with Finn's character, that The Last Jedi is his least favorite movie in the new trilogy, and that he is glad he is not in them anymore is just icing on the cake.
The add even more confusion about the script, Rian Johnson once stated that he had to write the script for The Last Jedi while The Force Awakens was being written and so he had no idea what was going on.
But then JJ Abrams said Johnson had access to some early drafts, so he should have had an idea of what was going on.
But then Kathleen Kennedy confirmed Johnson wrote his script while none of the new trilogy ideas and scripts were confirmed.
But then Abrams said he wrote initial scripts for VIII and IX and Johnson chose not to use his scripts and write a new one.
BUT THEN Johnson confirmed that and said he wanted to challenge all of Abrams ideas and dissect the characters and themes with his own script.
B U T T H E N it was reported by Lucasfilms and others including Abrams that Johnson had to regularly get his script reviewed by the higher ups and get approval for it, during the writing of The Force Awakens. And so Abrams came out and said Johnson's script was so good, he wanted to direct it himself.
I'm sure everyone is trying to make it seem like production was under control, but this seems like a case of "Too many cooks in a kitchen trying to make a 3 course meal, but nobody has even decided on what kind of restaurant this is going to be."
This news is good because it SUBVERTED MY EXPECTATIONS!
So in other words it was everybody's fault.
Yeah, sounds like studios being idiots, for sure. But the thing is if you find a great writer (they exist, even if Hollywood rarely uses them), you could write a great Star Wars script in a week. It's not a complicated franchise, you just need to make it fun, have likeable characters and a solid heroes journey, and have a few fun surprises.
That's probably the case. I like the film and I think it's a fucking mess. It's just enjoyable to me and I liked some of it's ideas. I think it had some of the best scenes in the franchise and some of the worst.
I still can't figure out how that works: "writing a script for a following episode, without having the previous in existance". What kind of writing is that...
Also, your coment reminded me of Sparrow and Barbossa's discussion of who is the captain of the Black Pearl in At World's End.
Those deleted scenes are painful.
Almost as bad as the deleted scenes from Empire. To be fair.
@mickor it was like an episode of rebels another shit Disney star wars
About 75% of the movie is painful, if you think about how jarring and uneven the tone of the movie is, and how poorly the plot is structured.
I can see a good concept of "Historically great Jedi becomes disillusioned and has to overcome his mistakes", combined with "stern chase movie where the Reb-sistance barely stays ahead of the First Order"...
But it gets lost in "silly casino escapades", "Admiral Holdo My Beer, I can be a bigger hothead than Poe and cause more problems", and "Big Climactic Battle BECAUSE SYMBOLISM!".
I literally thought they were bloopers at first, but no!
Holy shit! Fanta. You didn't crack a beer before you commented.
"The Last Plinkett Review"
No one's ever really gone.
Mwhahahaha..*cough*..ha..h..*cough* ha....
My hope is gone.
Lol at that :D
So we blow that one up?
Shutup, Meg
The most confusing part of the Casino Planet plot? After Rose frees the animals and causes all sorts of destruction and confusion allowing them the chance to escape.... she proclaims this is what it was all about. Then they abandon the enslaved children....
It does reflects society now, where people usually cares more about animals in general than humans.
ironically being a good microcosm of how performative the whole scene was in the first place.
Yeah the whole Cantobite casino thing was overlong and pointless and because of its structure you couldn’t cut it out of the film. Its what makes this movie overly long. Its like this episode of the movie Rian Johnson wanted his PETA anti cruelty towards animals statement.
See, it was a clever ruse by Mr. Johnson : you would expect them to liberate the enslaved kids, so he subverted your expectations. You did it again Disney! Such brilliance
Add to that that She and Finn illegally parked, and were legally arrested for it( which, while harsh, seems too be the local law), then decide to commit further crimes by assaulting officers of the law, breaking out of jail, stealing private property( the animals) and destruction of private/ public property.
Then THEY feel superior to everyone ( as they escape, leaving , possibly, enslaved children to clean up their mess).
I think what hurts most is there's no do overs. These films were the ONE chance Disney had to reunite the cast of the original films and add to their story in a meaningful way. The only opportunity to bring Leia, Luke, Han, Chewie, Lando and the droids together again, tell add to their legacy and pass the torch to a new generation.
And they blew it. They totally, utterly blew it,
That's exactly how I feel. The new trilogy is the biggest wasted opportunity in the history of cinema.
Indoctrination Theory They didn't just blow it, they crashed into a fucking iceberg and sank with all souls lost. So few people are hyped for the next one its sad.
Ive already been through this with Halo, I didnt need it to happen to Star Wars.
Indoctrination Theory Completely and utterly false.
The droids appear way too much as cameos
The Reality Bin But what if Lando DOESN’T die?
Seriously, Star Wars fans have no clue what they want despite claims to the contrary. They will also NEVER be happy with ANY Star Wars thing regardless of quality.
I had no idea the severity of the deleted scenes. Good fucking gravy
Just seeing those made my body and soul hurt. People who act like this level of "comedy" was always in Star Wars films really need to watch those scenes.
Rian Johnson would have made a great Hitchhiker's guide to the Galaxy film.
Rian Johnson might be able to make a good Seltzerberg/Movie Movie film though.
Oh fuck yeah.
Rian Johnson has the same sense of humor as an 8 y/o
Josh Ryan Johnson directed Ozymandias the most dramatic episode of Breaking Bad so show the man some respect.
"Okay, Rian. This is a very important film franchise with great story but not a perfect history, do you think you can make a good follow up to The Force Aw-"
*SO WE BLOW THAT ONE UP*
i had the runs during the Last Jedi. I missed the entire casino scene. I've never seen it fully except bits and pieces, nor do I intend to. I consider that taco or whatever I ate that day to have been part of the Force, guiding me to a place of safety
I had diarrhea during that scene too, but I still saw it because I didn't get up. I sat there and everyone else left. Some people commented that my hot puddle of effluence wasn't the worst part of the experience for them. I believe them.
@@numinous2506 I read your comment in Plinkett's voice and it was perfection.
Same here lol. Glad I missed most of it
Blessed Be that Specific Taco!
The fecal urgency is strong with this one…
Snoke's personal ship is the Millennium Falcon! That was the subversion of your expectations that Rian promised!
You made the attempt, that's all that matters.
Maybe it was that front piece that fell off in "Solo"
When I asked him for some water, Rian Johnson gave me a glass of methanol. I may have gone blind but my expectations were certainly subverted.
I asked Rian once for a Birthday Present and I gave him a list of awesome things... but all I got from him was Underwear and it wasnt even the right size. Expectations successfully subverted.
(of course this never happened, but you get the idea)
Drink just a little real liquor (a wee bit o' ethanol) so you don't also die of methyl-alcohol poisoning.
When Rian Johnson’s hotel I was staying at caught fire, I rushed to the emergency fire exit door. But instead of seeing a fire exit, Rian in a chicken costume was behind the door and whacked me with a mallet. I got a mild concussion and failed to escape without getting horribly burned, but at least my expectations were definitely subverted.
When I asked Rian Johnson for a good movie he took a dump in my mouth. But then he gave me a mint condition directors cut of Doctor Strangelove signed by Stanley Kubrick so I don’t know what to think anymore.
Hopefully for your sake that was before the release of this movie
I can never forget the look on my father's face, after seeing this tripe...
When the credits rolled, he just had the most tired and defeated look... (kinda like Mark Hamills face after TLJs screening with Rian at his side) then he regained composure, put on a smile, and calmly said, "Well... it's been about 40 years. It had a good run... but this series is done."
We totally pigged out at our favorite diner afterwards, to ease the blow of the movie.
Hilariously enough my father and I talked about this movie a few months ago, and coincidentally without me even bringing my own criticisms up he made the same complaints that I did.
keep in mind he grew up with the original trilogy when they came out and even likes the prequels (as I do)
He hated this film.
I'm the "Dad" in those stories, and the only joy I got out of the movie was the expression on my son-in-laws face when it came up in conversation. So, Rian Johnson has brought SOME people together! HAH! Subverted HIS fucking expectations, yeah?
Me and my mom felt the same. We often asked ourselves why we didn't get up and leave. I saw the movie in a crowded theater, and when it ended there were very few claps, little chatter, people just got up and quickly left with blank stares across their faces.
MrAnon00 a girl who went with me to the movies was in fucking tears. Because of the disgusting fucking Disney shiet.
This is the only Star Wars film that nobody in my family thought was anything beyond decent.
4 years later & still no Plinkett The Rise Of Skywalker Review. A shame because I'd love to see Plinkett tear into that pos
@@Pocketrocket-pj1us I agree with you but they did give us a really good half in the bag episode .
Yeah, where’s the review.
There is the 70 minute review. Close enough.
Hopefully we get one!
I mean the title IS the last plinkett review.
I still don't understand what the state of the galaxy is in the sequel trilogy. Why does the Resistance refer to itself as the Resistance? Did the New Republic not have a military? What was the Resistance resisting? Did the First Order have control of a majority of the galaxy in TFA? In the prequels and the originals, it was fairly obvious what was going on in the galaxy. How was the First Order able to build Starkiller Base, and with what resources? These questions didn't have to be answered in TFA, but they should have assuredly been answered in TLJ. I'm supposed to believe that the Republic's entire fleet was destroyed in TFA, and that, as a consequence, the Resistance only had 400 people in the entire galaxy who could fight the First Order? Bullshit. These new films seem so small in comparison to the past films. Such a shame!
Agreed 100%. Plus this Snoke guy. A really powerful force user who looks super old. Seems like he would have been alive and in his prime during the original trilogy. Where the heck did he come from? Was he Palpatine's half brother or something who was managing some remote part of the Empire when the events of the Battle of Endor happened? As it stands in TFA and TLJ, he is a paper thin abstraction of a villain.
Disney Star Wars really feels like a bad little fan fic.
It's so sad.
There are literally hundreds of old (now non canon, "thanks" Disney) EU storys with more franchise logic and SW lore then this mess.
Yeah, the whole thing feels underdeveloped, which made Last Jedi more disappointing to me. I was hoping questions left dangling would be answered. And it wouldn’t have taken much time to do it. Just have Luke explain all of it to Rey (i.e. the audience) while telling her about Ben turning. But I suppose Rian Johnson felt the same way and decided to drop all of that because it was too conventional to continue a story in a satisfying way, I guess.
Personally I not really disliked Rogue One (I think its could even be part of the old canon, where already many side storys about deathstar plans existed - explained with "They stole only one part of the plans"-) and even not "Solo" (but its still unnecessary), but for me Star Wars ended with the book Crucible by Roy Denning after the events of the Fate of the Jedi Saga.
I'm in my 20s and Star Wars is not my one and only hobby. I haven't read everything (actually I bypassed many series & I haveto watch The Clone Wars) and with this personal canon I have enough Star Wars to read for the rest of my life and I'm okay with it. There are many fans like me out there.
The Legacy era is like an optional addition, but nothing new and I disliked many aspects (like the stereotypical Sith). Whatever even this was more creative then the low reboot of Disney because Legacy was built on the events from all the other former canon books and comics and did something new with it.
_Supposedly_ the planets blown up by Starkiller Base contained both the entirety of the New Republic government and their entire military. Yes, that is as stupid as it sounds, and the fact that Starkiller Base could just magically blow up anything anywhere was lazy fucking writing.
The Resistance is apparently a guerilla organization funded by the New Republic that operates behind enemy lines. this was of course only explained in supplemental material, material that next to no one who saw these movies read so it's all pretty much fucking moot.
I think Carrie Fisher said it best. He should have listened to Mark Hamil
Why did Disney dump the most important movie they were going to make in 10 years entirely with this guy? Kathleen Kennedy, what the fuck did he have on you?! Blackmail, hostages, a huge dong?! What was it?! I HATE YOU!
Corporate suits never listen to anyone who knows what they're doing, for some reason. Just look at World Championship Wrestling: You had suits like Eric Bischoff controlling things, and all he ever wanted to do was party with Hall, Nash, and Terry. Meanwhile, Cowboy Bob Orton, one of the few who actually ran the wrestling business like a wrestling business, was forced out because he said something stupid that offended a black investor retired baseball star.
Or look at South Park. The only reason it was as good as it was, is because Trey Parker and Matt Stone had the gumption to front their own money, just to keep their corporate overlords from meddling. This should NOT happen, ever, but it happens ALL THE TIME.
I would have heard her say that, but her dentures got in the way of everything she says in Ep 7 & 8.
@@docsavage4921 What?
Executives, accountants, and marketing people, in big companies, ruin everything.
Period.
That is why no one listened to Mark. He's a passionate, creative actor who understands his audience character, he's literally the last person anyone in this sort of environment would listen to.
There's a reason why Matt Parker and Trey Stone put up their own money to ensure executive meddling stays away from South Park, and Disney's Star Wars is the reason why.
My favorite part about the new Star Wars movies are the Plinkett reviews.
Bout time.
Yeah, I haven't even seen any since Episode 2 and I love the reviews
That kiss between Finn and Rose has to be the least romantic kiss I've ever seen in any movie
Yeah, for all the bad romance in the prequels, this kiss takes the fucking cake
The Other Point Of View // Yeah but at least they’re good-looking.
Probably wasn’t supposed to be. Finn looked uncomfortably surprised like the audience was.
Nameless Jedi then what the hell was the point of it
The Other Point Of View that one was honestly worse. At least Finn and Rose were kind of friends, not two people trying to murder each other. It makes sense for Rose to feel some attraction toward Finn. It makes absolutely no sense for Kylo and Rey to like each other
How the endings of Episodes IV-VI would be different if Admiral Holdo was a senior rebel leader back then:
Episode IV: parade and medal presentation; Luke and Han walk towards Leia. Holdo bursts onto the dais and shouts "Arrest Skywalker! He turned off his targeting computer, thereby contravening the chain of command and breaking X-Wing flight regulations!"
Episode V: Luke and Leia watch the Millennium Falcon head off to Tatooine from the viewing deck of the medical cruiser; Holdo bursts into the room and shouts "Arrest Skywalker! He flew off to Dagobah instead of rejoining the Rebel fleet after the Battle of Hoth!".
Episode VI: Luke, Leia, Han and all the rebels party with Ewoks on the forest moon of Endor. Holdo storms into the Ewok village and shouts "Arrest Skywalker! He abandoned the rebel strike team and allowed himself to be captured and taken to the Death Star!".
More accurately.
Ep IV: All the rebels die, because after getting the death star schematics, Holdo decides the pilots don't need to know the plan.
You can carry this over to the prequels as well. Holdo would have Qui-Gon Jin arrested for subverting the Jedi Council, and later she would have Anakin arrested for insubordination to Obi-Wan. The last one might not be a bad idea, of course.
Cenindo Hell, arresting Qui Gon wouldn’t have been too bad either.
They don’t call him Qui Gon Gin for nothing if you know what I’m saying...
This was a very successful joke. Stoklasa would be proud, if he could use the Internets.
I was more saddened by Mark Hamill's interviews than I was by Luke's death.
There's literally a moment during a panel in which he depressingly rubs his forehead while Ruin is babbling about subversion.
I love Mark Hamill. He says what he really thinks. That's pretty damn rare in Hollywood.
Dr Caramel link?
r9ksg chan Those were really hard to watch.
I don't remember him ever coming around to his interpretation of Luke, he said he was fine with the movie. His most recent comments are that he's still coping with his character's arc.
I won't be watching Episode 9. But I will be watching Plinkett's review of it.
Then lets hope Plinkett watches it...
Plinkett's the only thing now I watch that's related to Star Wars. The entire franchise is dead to me by this point. I honestly don't even watch the good shit from Star Wars like the original films and cartoons it's become that bad.
I love the original trilogy (minus the added cgi) but I think I'm at a point where I prefer to just watch Mr Plinkett and a couple others trash the new ones because of how bad they are. Solo was the first one I watched the reviews before the movie (I've still not seen the movie). After maybe a couple more Star Wars movies someone should be able to write their own script for a brilliant movie because this franchise alone has almost covered every way in which to fail at film making. I hope aspiring directors take note of these movies to make enjoyable movies and characters in the future.
Yeah. Same here.
That is really sad. What happened to the ancient art of forming your own opinions? I watch Plinkett because it's a laugh. The movies are still great.
The *one awesome thing* in this movie is...Mark Hamill's acting. Despite absolutely *hating* the part he has to play, and despite it being 180° opposite the Luke Skywalker he used to play, he delivered. We might not like what he delivered, but he did it, and in perfection.
Reminds me of something Christopher Lee said:
"Every actor has to make terrible films from time to time, but the trick is never to be terrible in them."
It's the hard-ass workers that make it the furthest, not the sheer talent.
Mark Hamill is definetly one of those workers--just listen to his performance as the Joker in the Arkham games, which is second only to Heath Ledger's.
@@nis5e Hamill > Ledger >Nicholson >>Romero >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Anybody else>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Leto.
He actually said he liked the movie and script
@@gaminglol1167 after he said how he disagreed about it I think it's called a possible breach of contract/ the NDA he definitely had to sign and they told him to tone it down
*Going on forever? Son you may have single-handedly ended it!*
-Mr. Plinkett
That would be great. It's time for this whole thing to die. In fact it was about 20 years ago
In retrospect, watching the last Jedi is like being in a bar fight. At first you're not sure what's going on, maybe the guy is just joking, then shit gets real and you're in a fight but it's not that bad, you'll get out of it with a couple of bruises, you'll learn from it and grow, then out of nowhere you get stabbed, you don't realise at first, the fight ends, the other guy's run off with your money , the adrenaline wears off and you start to feel the pain and realise the horror of what's just happened.
So realistic
Sean Knight
Damn that was brutal...did you help write Green Room? 😁
This was me. I loved the movie at first, and then I ended up hating it a month after watching after seriously thinking about the movie again.
Nailed it, I was loving the movie but as soon as it ended, something felt off and I couldn't place it, my girlfriend asked me what I thought of it and I said something like "it was good, but..." and then about 10 minutes later after I had sorta talked through I realized how horrible it was.
you forgot the part where you blacked out and got molested by a gang of clowns
Rian Johnson talks about how the movie had too much stuff, but the casino planet stayed in. Wow.
Indeed, so many ways to write around that part of the plot
Right. Because, you know, that was necessary to the plot. Unfortunately when characters fail you equate it to a waste of time and can't think for yourself.
Well it was nessecary for the plot. The problem is how much of it he included
And that whole thing was completely pointless
@@kylecampbell565 was a save the animals side plot necessary where in they likely got a slave child punishment for something beyond his control?
All those special effects artists do their job well, why can't the directors and writers?
It almost seems if they are connected, the story and the special effects. If one gets better, the other gets worse.
@ to me battlestar galactica (the remake) is the show with the best combination of story and effects. Just imagine what awesome stuff could be made with current year effects and a proper script. All the wasted potential is making me very sad.
Because the special effects artists just followed the orders! (I have purple hair, btw.)
Because one only requires skill and the other requires skill + imagination. Disney, as a big corp, limits how much imagination is allowed to be used, so it's less likely the film will flop. They go by the lowest common denominator, because it's still better to have a shitty bland film than a shitty experimental film, as far as profits go.
These effects are just green screen and cgi, literally (and I mean literally in the literal sense lol) to a much greater degree than the Prequels ever had. I honestly just would like consistency lol. Not saying you weren't at all but where's all the hate for these effects nowdays? Do we now like these kind of effects? Idc either way, it does nothing for me but I'd like to know if people still have the same criticisms
"Boy do I love cotts!"
- Mr. Plinkett 2018
The Last Jedi will be studied in film classes around the world as an example of terrible film-making. Disney/Lucasfilm will be studied in business classes around the world as an example of terrible business decisions. Episode 9 is going to fail miserably. Millions of people have been dreaming of a sequel trilogy since 1983 and Disney/Lucasfilm flushed it right down the toilet.
disney alrredy got the money they spend back, yeah they are killing one of the bigger franchise in history, but hey, they didnt lost money
BlackCriticGuy
I’m taking a pass on episode 9...seriously what’s there to look forward to?
Sleeping is great
Michael P Statement: At this point I solved the sequel problem for myself and bought the original Trilogy about Thrawn from the 1990s. Read it and realized that I have sequels that way. I also don’t care what meatbags call canon.
Here's the problem with subverting expectations: It's not difficult -- all you need to do is something people don't expect.
When Rey meets Luke, he could have punched her in the face, or been completely insane, or been eaten suddenly by a big bird -- all of this would have been unexpected. The challenge would be to do something unexpected, yet CLEVER and in keeping with what we already know.
All Rian Johnson did was the unexpected.
no fucking shit
Because Rian is a marginally talented hipster jackoff.
If Luke had just punched Rey in the face, that would have been more satisfying than that retarded lightsaber throw
The bird idea would have been a better movie even
The best subversions give people something they didn't know they wanted until they received it
"Remember kids, In Hollywood it's not important if it's of high quality, only that it makes money" - Mark Hamill
@@LatajaceStadoKotow The film itself made a shitload of money, where they lost out is in merchandise. Toy sales are at an all time low for the series, as are most other licensed products.
The Prequels (and Return of the Jedi) played through it perfectly: Release the film in late spring for the summer blockbuster rush, then release the home video in early autumn so that kids and families get to watch it again (or several times) right before the late autumn holiday shopping rush really kicks in.This timeline worked PERFECTLY for moving merchandise- kids would demand certain action figures, lego vehicles, etc. of things that they had just seen over and over again in the movie, and it would give retailers a lot of time to move through Star Wars stock, whether toys, books, clothing, video games, whatever.
Disney chose a film release schedule that does NOT work for merchandising at all, despite merchandise being Star Wars' biggest money maker- instead of the summer blockbuster window, which they probably wanted to keep exclusively for Marvel, they decided to release their Star Wars films in early December, immediately AFTER the shopping rush had mostly finished. As a result, most retailers in the fall shopping season are left clueless as to what to market to people, or how, because the actual movie that their new stock of merchandise is based on hasn't even released yet. And that's not even going into Disney's insistence on one (or more) SW movies each and every calendar year, which is another awful concept altogether.
Star Wars merchandising was a methodically tuned, well-timed machine that worked over and over, generating hundreds of millions of revenue even in years with no new movie releases, and Disney went out of their way to break it down completely. I'd be shocked, but this IS the company that somehow managed to destroy the Muppets, so I can't say I'm too surprised.
LatajaceStadoKotow
I'm ignoring everything Shovelwars for the coming years, it's so bad it doesn't deserve the time of day.
All they had to do was put Star Wars branded flamethrowers on the shelves! The kids just _love_ those!
@@spookbuster4862 I think the damage this movie did was evident in the lukewarm reception to Solo. This movie left a bad taste in OG fan's mouths that only bleach can fix.
"I guess the lesson was that in the rebellion, your job is not to rebel, but to blindly follow your leaders."
OOF
"Now it's worth it" She says after leaving behind a bunch of slave children who will probably get beaten half to death for letting the (expensive?) animals out of their boxes to escape.... Seems kinda messed up
And said animals will more than likely just be recaptured making that whole scene pointless..
Yeah they stop at like 1km from the city... It amounts to bringing a little momentary chaos and get some children beaten bloody... Yeaaaaaah... -_-'
SolarDragon007 Probably because the sad reality is that it’s easier and more satisfying for many to go that route instead of actually trying to help the enslaved, poor or middle-class.
Is'nt that a theme in star wars though, that noone cares about slaves? I remember Anakin asking Qui-gon Gin about freedom for himself and his mom and Qui-gon is like nope, I won't be doing anything like that. And even later, when they are working for royalty and probably has all the money a little slave boy can carry, neither of them go back to get Anakins mom. Too busy hitting the bars, drinking and snorting kyber crystal I guess....
That character is a complete farce and nothing but annoying from beginning to end.
That Star Trek montage was totally just an excuse for Mike to rewatch a bunch of Star Trek.
Gotta watch a good franchise before touching SW
You've gotta have a palate cleanser when watching new SW or new ST, and old Trek holds up beautifully to this day.
He just needed a good palate cleanser in order to finish the movie.
Edit: Oops i guess we wrote that at the same time. Great minds think alike i guess.
GOD DAMN!
We can all be thankful SW isn't like trek in that montage! We do not need that slow moving debate in star wars. But it'd be nice if the characters were intelligent and things at least made sense.
Out of all of the behind-the-scenes material, I've yet to see a single shot where Mark Hamill looked happy. It's pretty obvious he absolutely hated what Johnson did with Luke.
In their heart of hearts, is there anyone who doesn't? Plenty of people will toe the party line and say it was awesome, but they don't really believe it.
You mean after Disney threatened to pull the whole thing down on his head? I think it's much more likely Mark spoke truthfully, and from the heart and Disney told him he better stop if he knows what is good for him.
Jeff Gray Maybe you can point me in the right direction, in which video did he said he thought it was a great idea? Cause all I can find are videos of Mark saying he disagreed with Luke's character in the movie.
@@jeffgray7922 umm,no. They would have sued him if he didn't PR for the movie. He hated that shit irl.
I remember seeing an interview with Mark Hamill and Rian Johnson at some kind of Star Wars convention before the movie came out. I was surprised by how unhappy he seemed to be there, and how rude he was to some of the fans who went up to ask him questions about the movie. At the time I thought he was just being an ass, but after seeing the movie it makes sense. Anyone in his position wouldn't have wanted to be there, promoting a movie he knew the fans would hate.
Hats off to Rich Evans, who has now portrayed two of the five directors of the main saga.
"The Last Jedi is the most embarrassing thing since my son... no, not THAT one, the OTHER one!"
It's about family, and that's what makes it so powerful.
That OTHER series that's all about family .. has better writing and a more realistic and thoughtful plots.. Of course I'm talking about The Fast and The Furious.
"I like those guys, but I fear them."
-Rian Johnson on RLM
Rian Johnson: i fear no man...but that thing(picture if Rich Evans) It scares me
And right he was to fear them cos they just blasted his ass.
Was that one of his 20 thousand tweets he deleted after James Gunn's disgusting attempts at humor were thrust into the spot light?
Wait, did he actually say that?
One shudders to imagine what inhuman thoughts lie behind that mask. What dreams of chronic and sustained cruelty?
Ford "this doesn't feel right for the character Kershner."
Kersh "Ok Ford what should we do?" -Highest rated SW movie
...
Hamill " this is not right for the character Johnson"
Johnson "shut up Mark" -worst SW movie
So Rian Johnson is Holdo
Honestly, this made the prequels seem quaint and charming.
Alex that is by far the best way I’ve heard of describing the prequels compared to the sequels.
@@dragonknightleader1 how?
John Smith I will take ANY one of the prequels over TLJ.
The fact that Mark Hamill calls him “Brian” when talking about how he disagreed with his choices of Luke’s portrayal is *hilarious*
Does anyone know where all that cast/crew voicing their concerns interview footage is from?
@@rexcatastrophe [REDACTED] -Disney Corp. Legal Counsel
HOLY SHIT that is hilarious, I legit thought he was talking about a completely different person!
@@meh23p I legit thought his name was Brian for a while after that.
Calls him by his name 🤷♂️
Ugh the deleted scenes... wow.
L R,
I was half expecting a cameo from Jar Jar.
The whole movie should be a deleted scene
Star Wars The Last Jedi, the bullshit dispenser that keeps on giving. If i had a putrid tomato, i would throw it.
I'm not a fan of the humour in TLJ, but I would've prefered it if they followed through on the comedy parts and made the entire movie a comedy, instead of what we have now, which is just inconsistent and out of place.
I almost liked the storm trooper one, because it was pretty tense. Then they fucked it up. They gotta subvert your expectations at every opportunity.
I've watched this review more times than The Last Jedi.
JJW001 i haven’t watched the movie once I watch this video routinely tho
I've watched the film once and now I've watched this review twice. Math checks out for me too.
i ve watched this film 0 times and this video like 3
So like, once?
NSA have you not seen a Plinkett review before? He actually pioneered these type of videos.
Hammill's body language in those behind the scenes clips you can tell he cannot stand Johnson
In the documentary, the only time he looks genuinely happy is when he's working with Frank Oz and Yoda. He knew it was shit from the start.
@@warlockofwordsreturnsrb4358 Yeah, "he needed time to adjust". Too bad it took the entire film's production time, the whole pre and post release press tours and probably a rather convinient talk from the Disney lawyers to do just that.
He was heavily criticizing the director and the script even after the movie was released. He did a 180 a few weeks later when his words were being used as ammunition against the movie by everyone online. Probably Disney got to him and forced him to stop this. He appeared miserable to almost every single interview and event except a couple he was on his own.
He looked like an inmate walking with the warden.
more like he needed time for Disney to offer him more money to do some positive press
Finn looked like he had no idea how to react after being kissed. “Why the hell are you kissing me now? Also, I am really not that into you”. Han and Leia always seemed like they had a thing for each other with their banter and the romance felt very natural when it happened.
On top of that, some time has passed since the events of ANH, so they at least knew each other for a couple of years.
Visual art is completely different from the art of writing.
I love the thesis in this, which explains most films/TV that feel "off" these days: "You may not have noticed it, but your brain did."
Colloquially known as "bumping" the viewer
u r it’s when you feel like something is wrong, but you can’t exactly explain what is wrong or why it’s wrong. In other words on a subconscious level you’re aware something doesn’t make sense.
The part of the movie I died at was the part they set the animals free, but for some reason not the slaves and then say "it was worth it."
Just that writing is so funny I can't explain it
My favorite part is the way the kid celebrated even though they were gone probably be whipped and the beasts will be caught in less than 2 days.
Classic activist lack of a brain. I remember once some hippies tried to "save" dogs that were test subjects, but since they were midway through a test(they infected the dogs and tried to cure them with some treatment if I remember correctly), when the activist stole them, they all died.
Now funny thing is what those slaves probably will be punished with repairing all the damage done to casino. And those freed animals will either die in the wilderness (they grew up in captivity, right?) or will be easily recaptured. It was truly worth it to make things even worse for everyone because of "muh rich people are bad", Rose
Even better, she knew the animals would be recaptured anyway so she literally did nothing.
@@PorkFork That's the part I forgot that made me originally laugh with all of this!
That was the point I wanted to explain oh god how could I forget that
All those shots of Kathleen Kennedy looking unimpressed were delightful.
She looked suicidal, don't think she's actually been seen by anyone since the movie released....
Do you think that she knew her job was over at that point?
Remember, if you didn't like TLJ, you're an angry white male who can't stand strong female characters.
@@Kesslerification Honestly, I think Kennedy's inner monolouge was running along the lines of, "If the tripe this SNAG is writing sells, I've done my job and so be it."
@@joncurzon5938 Probably waiting out the hatemail and death threats.
i loved the casino scene, it really made me rethink my values and I decided too stop sending my allowance money too the military industrial complex in my real life.
I am Lockheed Martin irl, I can confirm. I just never thought about it before because I was never exposed to any hamfisted political messaging made by other multibillion dollar corporations. There just isn't enough for us war profiteers to take notice, but I'm doing my part to change that by reporting 1/2 star ratings on rottentomatoes
We need more heroes like you
I can honestly say I haven't bought a single fighter jet since I watched Last Jedi.
So brave. This comment is so brave.
Isn't that just tax evasion
For me, the biggest thing I noticed after the credits rolled my first time watching TLJ was that I didn't feel anything.
Nothing. I didn't feel excitement or frustration. Just nothing. It felt like I didn't even watch a Star Wars movie. It felt like I didn't even watch a movie at all. It felt like I just spent two-and-a-half hours watching images play on a screen and none of it registered to me at all. It was just simply there and I barely cared at all about existence itself.
I suppose the best way to describe it is "I felt hollow while watching it and two seconds after leaving the auditorium I don't even remember watching a movie."
Sir Codin i felt the same way about rogue one and tlj
This is called Nihilism and it's the core of the film, so I guess it succeeded in that regard at least. Search "Nihilism and Post-Modernism in Hollywood" by David Stewart. It's a great explanation of the belief system.
That's literally exactly how I felt. And then I watched it again because I'd already bought tickets. Then it went from feeling nothing to frustration to rage.
I didn’t wanna go rewatch it and that’s how i knew it wasn’t something special. The previous 2 (rogue one, TFA) i couldn’t wait to go back in and see it because there was just something magical about them. But I’ve only seen TLJ once on opening night. Haven’t seen it since.
I felt the same way! I was so bored when I saw this! I couldn’t wait for it to end! I never thought I would feel that way about Star Wars.
I honestly thought Admiral Holdo was a mole for the empire before they revealed the light speed tracker. The way her scenes were shot and her dialogue made her look like a bad guy. Turns out she was "doing the right thing" the whole time and her whole purpose was to antagonize Poe and kamikaze the cruiser. An absolute pointless character put there for the sake of 𝓈𝓊𝒷𝓋𝑒𝓇𝓈𝒾o𝓃.
Yah, everything about her character makes you think she's evil. And it's truly bizarre the characters never consider the possibility of 'mole' or 'someone stuck a tracking beacon on us', instead going whole hog on the "They've got this brand new technology that we didn't think was quite finished yet".
Think about it, if there was a mole or tracking beacon on the fleet, then Finn and Roses plan wouldn't have achieved anything. Granted, it didn't achieve anything anyway, and Finn could have been removed from the movie completely and nothing would have changed, except that it'd be shorter. But still, the characters gamble everything on what is, by the logic of the story, the least likley explanation, while completely ignoring the far more reasonable ones.
Don't forget that the movie calls attention to the tracking device that they gave to Rey so that she could find them once she got Luke. Tracking devices that work through hyperspace are already in the movie, so there's no excuse for the writers forgetting that as a thing that can be done.
YES
I also though she was a traitor "rebel" who was there only to mess with the Resistance's escape plan.. but she ended only being stupid
I read "Subversion" in the Plinkett voice.
And it worked too.
Finn could have had a much better and simpler arc if, instead of doing nothing at an exotic location the whole film, he had been part of Po's mutiny. How does Finn react to holding a gun again, given that he ran away from the First Order just to avoid doing that?
Plus it could have thrown some moral ambiguity on Po's actions, instead of it seeming like he was doing objectively the right thing the whole time. Po would have had someone we (and he) care about second-guessing his leadership, which is probably what that storyline needed?
"The Wine Tasting" is the absolute best way to describe TLJ in a visual/nonverbal manner. Pure genius.
Yet somehow, that short clip was more entertaining than TLJ itself. I hope Rich never changes.
"Haha, betcha weren't expecting that! I also bet you weren't expecting me to poop my pants while doing it, but I totally did! Ha, gotcha!"
It's like poetry, it rhymes.
fuck off, he didn't even taste the wine before he accepted it, where's the realism.
Clockwork could someone explain that part to me pls I didnt understand it
21:07 Admiral Holdo: "You bet the survival of the resistance on bad odds and put us all at risk."
That line didn't age well.
We learn in the third movie, that holdo suicide maneuver was once in a million chance thing.
What?
@@mfaure420 In Rise of Skywalker, someone suggests performing Holdo's suicide hyperspace ram maneuver again to save them, but it is quickly shot down as a one in a million chance of success. So Holdo berating Poe for taking bad odds to try and save everyone is hypocritical with that knowledge if her last ditch plan was also a shot in the dark.
@@vashoom Holdo was an insanely stupid character throughout TLJ, so being a hypocrite fits in with that. In regards to hyperspace ramming, there was nothing that any writer could have done to make that bullshit fit into Star Wars. Rian Johnson just randomly decided to do the hyperspace ram, with zero fucks given towards how much it would break everything else. I have no issues with hyperspace ramming being discarded with a single sentence "one in a million" , because there is nothing else that could be said about it.
😂😂😂😂
and then it happens again in the background of the final battle.
Mike showing restraint by waiting over 20 minutes to reference Star Trek.
Who?
Lol I love the guys but u gotta take what they say with a gtgrainain of salt considering yes they are huge trekkies 😂😂
Gotta respect Mike's Star Trek love, always there
Mr Plinket on STD would be awesome.
I APPLAUDED IT FOR BEING DIFFERENT
The Rian Johnson being Plinketts son plot, is way more interesting and coherent than The Last Jedi.
Especially since Plinkett's penis was ripped off by a cat, 4 years before he was born.
There was a review were he came real hard on his TV. Wonder how that happened. It's intriguing...
@@Xarx3s this plot hole has completely blasted my immersion. I'm done with Plinkett Wars.
I've watched readings of My Little Pony fanfics better scripted than Last Jedi. And I feel like I'm insulting the MLP Fanfics by making that comparison.
Last Jedi is the FFX of movies, because Final Fantasy X was a highly ambitious deconstruction that had its big story get lost behind flashy visuals and poor scripting.
Shenaldrac ...
You have a good point that I'm insulting Final Fantasy X by comparing it to the Last Jedi in that manner.
Well I did not like Final Fantasy X, and I could not connect with the characters at all, after all these years from playing it I can admit that I see why people love it so much.
I apologize for insulting Final Fantasy X by that comparison.
I will make it a point to make my comparison more nuanced from now on, pointing out that Final Fantasy X does have a coherent story that goes from beginning to end.
Which just makes the Last Jedi that much more sad in the end.
Also on a random Final Fantasy X related note: I figured out the big twist with the final summon the absolute first time that term was mentioned. That's a major reason why the game did not connect with me.
But yeah, there is a significant difference in the need for nuance there.
George's revenge is now complete.
No one ever imagined a film worse than the prequels could be made, but Rian Johnson somehow managed it.
Aspects of the prequels are just as bad/inferior as TLJ, but George was at least always playing to the fanbase and throwing the audience a few bones.
As stated in this review, lack of drama and tension completely kills the film. Even the prequels had some of that.
All according to plan.
George Lucas all according to keikaku
El-ahrairah For now. With Solo flopping (actually losing money for the firdt time in franchise history), we'll see how things will go.
@SuperNoone89 The Force Awakens felt like classic Star Wars. While TLJ wasn't good, I still think TFA was a great film.
The whole idea to make Ep7 a soft reboot really torpedoed the franchise in an insulting and hurtful way. By its very nature, a soft reboot undermines and partially retcons the plot and purpose of the original source material. It's fine to soft reboot something like Ghostbusters where the sequels were basically garbage. But it's not okay to soft reboot Star Wars! Like Plinkett say it's almost as though Rian Johnson was forced to do what he did or else just retread Empire! How bad would that have been? It's just sad how Disney not only made bad movies, but decided to throw Luke Skywalker, Leia Organa, basically the entire point and impact of Episode 6, Yoda, and the prequels into a garbage can and shit on them. How long until they try to destroy all records and copies of the original 6 films?
Well said.
With the benefit of hindsight and the contributions of other revisions of beloved current era mythos, this was part of an intentional and purposive destruction of culture to degrade and demoralise a public otherwise strengthened by culture of this kind.
I have an original idea. All of the Star Wars fans could collectively not watch Star Wars Episode 9. It would subvert Disney's expectations. That's how you know it is a good idea.
I don't care to watch it. Last Jedi isn't the worst movie of all time or the worst of 2017 (Mummy 2017). However, it was a disappointment.
I don't care to see Ep9.
I’m onboard baby!
Solo flopped, and continuing that trend Ep 9 will make a lot less than expected.
I didn't pay to see TLJ or Solo, so I'm totally on board.
Mark Hamill told them fair and square he did not agree with the concept. They went on and found themselves with a disastrois movie. Well done!
I had no idea Hamill was the arbiter...
RJ says, “The only thing i would really want is a good movie that delights me in ways i didnt expect.” Hey jackass, the problem is all the changes you made were distasteful and unbelievable. Its not the fact that you made changes, it’s the end result.
Let me give u a food analogy that even Gordan Ramsey would agree with, becuz if you know anything about the upper echelons of cooking, it’s about making the dish better, not changing it for worse for the sake of it.
Thats like if a chef wanted to make a delicious new dish at a beloved restaurant, so his bright idea is to take a favorite recipe and degrade it by changing what made it great in the first place and replacing it with the exact opposite, instead of trying to contribute to it which helps it reach another level (which is what all great chefs do, they ENHANCE IT by adding their own twist to a dish, they dont try to reinvent the fckin wheel becuz there’s a time and place for everything, genius!) Thats NOT what the owner asked for, the owner asked to make a known dish BETTER. He didnt ask to make a NEW dish with the same frckin name to try to fool customers. Why? Cuz thats not what the customers want, thats not why they keep coming back to this restaurant, so they can be tricked. They came to eat delicious food from a restaurant they know damm well, and whether its an old or new menu, it better be good for the same reason.
So when it ends up tasting bad, he blames his favorite customers that it’s because it’s not what they’re used to and they dont have an open mind. THAT IS NOT THE CASE. In fact, a favorite customer, who is a big fan of the restaurant, is not only open to something new, they welcome it because they love the food there and would be excited to hear there’s a new, delicious dish, BUT TO A CERTAIN DEGEE- CHANGES THAT WOULD ENHANCE THE FLAVOR, MAKE IT EVEN BETTER. NOT THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF WHAT MAKES IT GOOD, NOT THE OTHER END OF THE FCKIN SPECTRUM. But then, when it tastes bad because it’s something that shouldnt even be sold in that restaurant, you blame the customer???
if you go to a delicious burger spot that wants to try something new, they should give you a new and different type of burger, not a shitty sushi roll. and? THE CUSTOMERS WOULD BLAME THE CHEF. THE OWNER WOULD BLAME THE CHEF. Yet the chef has the audacity to say the customers are a buncha “man-babies” ? What an idiot.
God damn that little dose of Star Trek really demonstrates how God awful the writing in tlj really was.
De Jota It shows how god awful Star wars is in general. Star Trek will always require more brain power to comprehend. Thats why I watch Rick and Morty.
The Star Wars universe itself aside, the main reason TLJ is so disliked is because it's an incomprehensible mess of a script. While Trek definitely places more emphasis on the "science" of things, the original SW trilogy wasn't so poorly written that it insulted the audience's intelligence.
@@pablofreeman8808 Star Wars has always been more of a fantasy/scfi than Star trek it's just that the previous movies the writing wasn't as broken. Well save for midi-chlorians (I have no idea how to spell it).
@@dejota1136 Star Trek has plenty of space magic, from transporters to the plot convenience of phaser settings to psionics/empaths to magic food-making machines and effectively infinite energy. But because Star Wars put their space wizards at the center of the story and gave them swords, IT'S the only space fantasy.
@@dejota1136 0:55 14:12 🔥😂 LMAO!!!
I really appreciate how RLM gives their senior citizen friend a platform for his art projects. I know not many people watch them, but it's great Mr. Plinkett has an outlet.
Man....those deleted moments...and I thought this movie couldn't sink any lower...
There's a reason why they are called deleted
The notion that they were even considered is mind blowing.
Have you never seen deleted scenes before?
Deleted scenes aren't always dog shit.
Scenes are usually deleted for pacing reasons. Wampas running wild and attacking the tunnels of Hoth in the heat of battle? Okay, pretty sweet, but there's a bit much going on already--I can see why they would clip it.
Finn and Rose falling through a ceiling on top of an ass-naked farting monster? A Yosemite Sam Stormtrooper smacking Finn's ass in the middle of a tense scene? Who the fuck even okayed this shit?
Be honest, who else thought leia flying in space was funny when they first saw it? My theatre was laughing at what was supposed to be a huge dramatic reveal. The tone of this movie is TSHI!
GOOD idea BAD execution
My theater had more people muttering, "what the f**k...?"
This is why you laugh _At_ The Last Jedi, not with it...
I too, was disappointed in the cooking of the duck meat
Yeah, I went on opening night, and my theater was laughing at that scene. They also laughed the first time Holdo came on screen. I think they were laughing at her purple hair?
If Johnson really wanted to subvert expectations, he should've made a good movie
bananian Except the last Jedi wasn’t that good it has a 45% on rotten tomatoes.
bananian oooh somebody’s panties got in a twist. Rian johnson is a filmmaker, who was put in charge of the most beloved film franchise ever, with unlimited budget, and still coughed out a incoherent, frequently cringe-inducing pile of crap.
Also, fuck yourself.
@@hatefulgaming1800 i looked it up and it sais 91% critics 45%audience. The audience score on rotten tomatoes is never reliable. Most accounts are just one time log ins tht were created specifically to downvote a movie. But what do i know? Im just a guy who thinks any person should just watch a movie and think for themselves. I watch these reviews anyway because they're funny and i just wanna see why they didnt like it. But are you really gonna let someone else determine how you feel about something before trying it? If some stranger on the internet told you never to try pizza because they didnt like it, would you do it simply because they told you or would you try it and see if they were right?
So we should trust those critics who clearly weren't paid off by Disney? and where in my comment did I ever say you couldn't like the movie.
@@hatefulgaming1800 and how can you be sure they were paid off? Theres always movies where the audience and critics are split.
I want my expectations subverted when I buy a lottery ticket, not when I watch a Star Wars film.
That's sad, because all I want is a Star Wars movie that surprises me.
@@doomstadt2371 well congratulations, because they’re all surprisingly bad !
@@21DaHoagie12 Not anymore. Anybody who continues watching Disney Star Wars is willfully ignorant of the fact they will always produce nothing above corporate garbage.
😂
@@doomstadt2371 if you genuinely wanted to be surprised, watch Empire. After about 2 of the big “gotcha!” moments, none of them actually surprised me because I knew that Rian was just going to do the opposite of what made sense. You see, there’s a difference between surprising people and defying logic. When people expect one thing to happen, it’s usually because it’s the next logical step. A movie being predictable at the very start isn’t good, but if you can guess what the characters are about to do most of the time by the time you reach the end, that’s probably just because it makes sense for them to do that. Near the end of Empire, the moment Luke finds out about his friends being in danger, you instantly know that Luke is going to go after them and is not going to listen to Yoda’s advice because that’s the kind of person Luke is. Him leaving Yoda to go save his friends is exactly what Luke Skywalker at that point in the trilogy would do as established by previous scenes. It makes sense that he would do that, and thus him doing that isn’t the movie being predictable, it’s the audience being smart enough to understand what kind of person Luke is and being able to rationally predict his next course of action. Audiences aren’t stupid, and it isn’t a failure of a director if they get to a point where they can guess where the plot will go on decently short notice.
Rian Johnson just does the opposite of what makes sense in terms of characters and in terms of logic. Holdo is blatantly a terrible leader who is trying to string along everyone with her based on blind faith in a plan she refuses to tell anyone. No good leader would ever conceal that much information from their subordinates in a time of crisis. Teaching people that they should just follow whatever the leaders say because they’re smarter than the people they command is an awful lesson. So the reveal that Holdo actually did have a plan the whole time isn’t a plot twist, it’s defying logic. Same goes for nearly every other major “subversion” in this stupid movie. They get predictable after two of them because you can just predict that whatever is going to happen is the opposite of what would logically happen.
🎶 if he sounds like snake, it's a mistake 🎶
@@joesmith-fx7fw because the antifa fascists haven't arrived yet.
It's a missssssssstake
@@joesmith-fx7fw Thumbs down don't do anything, they don't affect the score and they don't show up
Important life lesson to never trust anyone who stutters. Their all snakes and liars.
LIQUID!!!
I am so happy that Plinkett mentioned all the Rebels that died in this movie. In spite of the cheerful, hopeful mood at the end, the Resistance fleet was decimated! They should have been quiet and shell-shocked. And it wasn’t just my brain that noticed it; Every part of me did.
+JE Gonzalez-Yeah, the fact that the 12 PEOPLE that managed to survive at the end just. . .jumped to already celebrating and popping out the corks on the wine (so to speak. . .), laughing and hugging each other after most of the people they know and love from the Rebellion are dead, the (not)-Empire has them on the run with the tail between their legs, and their resources are almost utterly depleted and no one is going to "sponsor" them, much less care if they win or not. . .THAT is honestly just. . .shocking to no end. . .
That'd be like after the disaster that turned out to be the Bay of Pigs. . .everyone threw a huge, countrywide parade. . .Like, what the actual fuck? I get the intent that as long as there are survivors willing to continue the cause, there is still hope. . .BUT it's just done so braindead and without any concern or mourning for the 388 people they lost.
Heck, Leia even has no cause to be as optimistic as she is. . .She lost her husband only a few days ago-murdered by her own son. . . Her brother is dead. . . Her son has moved on to become the next Emperor that will kill and enslave the entire galaxy. . .Technically, she is the LAST of her entire family (whether not they do retcon this movie and establish Rey is a Skywalker after all. . .), biological or even adopted. . .She has lost everything. . .and yet, she's all but doing an Irish tapdance at the end because they still have "everything they need right there. . ." I. . . .I just. . .
Fera Flauna - to be fair, Rey clearly *is* all they need.
Fera Flauna
Excellent reply. Thank you.
It would make sense if they were like "other systems are rising up, joining our cause" or "we have a plan, a secret fleet we're going to link up with" but it's not. It's "yeah, we're 12 people. An utterly negligible military force who is going to somehow overthrow the First Order". If you say so.
al Mamlūk
A massive Galaxy and just 12 rebels and no support from any other race or planet or system.
Not what you would call a thing worth making a film about. A bunch of f*****g losers.
A bunch of heartless delusional losers.
Wow, what a great franchise this has become. I really feel so sorry for the actors and actresses. For poor Laura Dern, for instance, being body shamed (admiral purple hair gender studies) and hated for the lines she was given. It is horrible evil abuse.
That is what this new Star Wars is to me now. Hatred and abuse.
It's amazing that this guy has developed the definitive online Star Wars review content vis a vis this Plinkett persona. I mean, let's be real, this is the most accurate and often times fair critique of the franchise, and done in a way that proves expert level familiarity with the movies.
For what comes off as the insane ramblings of an unmedicated bipolar, it really is elite-level film critique.
I've got to say that I give that title to MauLer's 4 hour critique of TLJ. Its really a wonderful watch for anyone who likes understanding why things failed. I highly recommend it!
His Phantom Menace review is what got me into this channel in the 1st place.
I agree. This man is a beast in movie critique. I can't think of anyone better. Even if you enjoy The last Jedi. He only provides solid facts throughout the ramblings. Makes everybody go 'damn, he's right'.
"For what comes off as the insane ramblings of an unmedicated bipolar..."
Perfect description of Plinkett
John Doe Imagine comparing that crap to Plinkett. This is 10 times better, and he didn't spend 4 hours nitpicking stupid shit like mauler.
Loved when they introduced the kamikaze light speed tactic, proving that every previous character in Star Wars was an idiot for not trying it sooner and throwing the entire universe into utter chaos by giving every person with even a garbage freighter virtually unlimited firepower. I clapped.
Amazing that after all the videos people made about why TLJ sucks, Plinkett still breaks it down in ways nobody else has. The bit about comedy pacing, the emotional levity at the end, wow. Phenomenal review. (I even liked the Star Trek references and didn't groan for once!)
@@ThatOneDudeWhoPostsStuff I don't even know what that means. I can't stand the anti-SW UA-cam channels. Not because I think Disney Star Wars is good but these UA-camrsmaybe made a good video once that got a lot of views and have been beating a dead horse for over six months since and have nothing new or original to add....
So what you're saying is...he subverted your expectations?
For once I thought Mike had a good point because it gave a good example of a strong, yet understanding leader (Picard) vs. an incompetent one (Holdo)
You know it's a Plinkett review when it's more entertaining and better written than the movie it reviews. :D
"Domhnall Gleeson's acting is straight outta Spaceballs" LOL
Three years later, and this review is STILL gold.
I'm actually glad I never saw an interview with Johnson before I watched the movie. He does not inspire confidence.
I came for the Star Trek references and was not disappointed!
i came at that part too
your channel really went downhill
tripJJ why?
♫ I hope you enjoyed it, nerds ♫
Did...did you clap when you saw the things you know?
37:25 There's no red salt dust when the ties shoot the ground or when the shuttle hits. "You might not have noticed but your brain did."
Oh poor Rian didn't notice such tiny details. And he thought he was so smart for having Luke's projection not leave red traces in the salt.
Honestly, all I thought was weird was the blue lightsaber but at this point I simply thought he fucked up again and didn't pay any heed to that.
I see what you did there.
MissAshley -- My thoughts as well. It was pretty... Pretty useless.
The problem is he JUST focused on subverting expectations. like honestly, I'm okay with trying to do weird shit with star wars but FOCUS ON MAKING A GOOD STORY first god damn
Subverting expectations isn't a positive unless you can exceed them in the process.
Knights of the Old Republic 2 was a perfect example of how to subvert expectations and do it RIGHT.
Bibitybopitybacon exactly!!! This 👏🏽 right 👏🏽 here 👏🏽!!! Anyone can do something unexpected.....that doesn’t make it good or worthwhile.
pzyko zillah the problem with his subversion was that he just dropped all these plot threads JJ had as soon as they were introduced and didn’t have anything to substitute them with
@Goose idk I like the mandalorian, I really like clone wars. I didnt think these things would be good but they're pretty cool. They feel like star wars while also introducing a lot of weird stuff
But the whole new trilogy just feels like it was made in a factory by people who dont even like star wars
I love the Spaceballs comparison. It really does seem that way at times.
Except it wasn't ludicrous speed this time, it was ludicrous story!
it really do be like that sometimes
'The First Order comes off as comically powerful, with unlimited resources. It kinda’ makes you wonder - why are they even bothering chasing down an elderly lady and all of her friends, who only have a handful of spaceships. The fuck are they gonna do?'
YES! I've been saying this for months! There is no war, The Empire has won by knockout. In a galaxy of quadrillions of people and a military so powerful that it can conquer that galaxy in a matter of days, what difference is 12 people on the Millennium Falcon gonna do? This trilogy is done. Just call it off now. PLEASE.
RanduinsOmen Yeah, I mean I’m clear on that, although the First Order seems to be much more powerful than the Empire for some reason.
What I hate is the fundamental conception of it all. We’ve already seen Empire v Rebels and the war was resolved with the perfect ending. It is just a cynical and uncreative approach to retell the same story and blow away the achievements of the Rebels in the OT. It makes it all very cheap and hollow.
The less said about Rey Sue and the character assassination of Luke, the better.
+Jim
I am not sure if you are familiar with the “Avatar: The Last Airbender” and “Legend of Korra” cartoons on Nickelodeon, but the Star Wars sequel trilogy to me is pretty much coming off as what “The Legend of Korra” could have ended up as, if the premise just involved the world being threatened by a less impressive copy of the Fire Lord’s army and Aang’s earlier victories being rendered completely pointless. As much as people consider TLoK to be weaker than ATLA, especially since all the Korra seasons were separate small stories (rather than one giant three-season story), at least TLoK went through the effort to introduce new villains and conflicts and make the world feel like it moved on and progressed from the last series, instead of just rehashing everything or trying to “surprise” us with constant 180-degree turns.
But,but the last jedi.
Psssh the only way for this to work is if the female jedi /koff defector to dark side decides to take over the new empire, Sith's seem to be able to take over.
Just forget it, bring in the jar jar sith lord who does hostile take over.
Mark
No, I'm not familiar with it, though I've noticed Ivan Ortega (the guy whose re-editing TLJ if you didn't know) has done some videos on TLA, so I might check it out.
I wish they never did the sequel trilogy. It is pointless from an artistic or creative point of view. The story ended perfectly in Return of the Jedi. This trilogy is purely a money-making exercise. They could've respected the Skywalker saga and just done Rogue One style stories to revisit the Empire era and maybe pick up with the legends of Luke after Endor etc. That would've been brilliant. Then their flagship could've been a brand new series set in a different time period will all-new characters.
They need a complete and radical overhaul. They need stories and characters so different they defy comparisons to the OT. Still, that would entail risk -- and Disney doesn't like risk beyond a certain point. That's why Ep9 is going back to the OT cast for anyone they haven't killed yet!
"You may not have noticed it...but your brain did." I love that line
So we blow that one up....
It so true. Sometimes I'll watch a movie and things just don't seem right. Later I'll realize what I saw made absolutely no sense.
I half expected 58 minutes of black screen with light saber noises
I was FULLY expecting that
It subverts your expectations that's whats so clever about it
Expectations were subverted when it wasn’t a black screen
@@ADeadlierSnake they've actually done it a few times after that so...yeah
@@ADeadlierSnake so they'll probably keep uploading those kinds of vids and then deleting later on. No sense of keeping those kinds of videos so none of the subscribers will come back to watch the video, unless they enjoy getting trolled repeatedly and intentionally
The fight with Snoke's red guards looks like a mid 90s Janet Jackson music video.
@@scottk1525 looks like 9 people get my joke.
@@scottk1525 You're just bitter that I made a joke at the expense of your favourite pop singer.
I laughed at the comment, it is true, but my expectations were subverted when I clicked "show more" and found Scott K.
His stupidity is funnier, sorry dude.
Scott K or he could’ve just looked it up to make a point. You’re such a petty weirdo.
yikes @ Scott K
I hate the term they keep trying to force on everyone. " It subverted your expectations" and that's why it's good.
No assholes; that's called disappointment. When you expect something to be good and it's not it's called *disappointment*.
Yeah, it's a pretentious excuse.
There's a difference between:
"Instead of the Trained Hero Warrior who has been keeping the Plucky Comic Relief alive this entire time, the Plucky Comic Relief gets the kill shot on the Big Bad Evil Guy because he is fearless and has a previously foreshadowed skill, while everyone else is viewing the Villain as nigh unstoppable. And then the Plucky Comic Relief also beats the Villain's Minions, because he's thinking outside of the "direct combat" box!"
(Bonus points if you can guess what movie I'm referring to with that example.)
And:
"HAH! You thought the hero was going to be a hero?! And you also thought the Charming Rogue would have a heart of gold too? NOPE! Broken man and greedy coward! Also, the big villain was not just killed in a stunning betrayal... his protege makes the most cliche'd choice to keep being evil possible! WHAT BRILLIANCE! It will divide everyone like I LOVE TO DO!"
I wanna know what movie that is. Sounds familiar.
Like plinkets son, and how he subverted expectations of being a good person.
@@hariman7727 big trouble in little v
China. Took me a dozen views before I realized jack Burton was actually the comic relief and his sidekick was the real hero.
I honestly have no idea why Disney even game Ryan Johnson such a high role in making such a massive and important movie. Like, he’s not even that bad at making movies but I can’t possibly think of a worse person to write AND direct a Star Wars movie
Kathleen Kenedy is the answer, and the real question should be: why was K.K. put in charge of the star wars franchise without even having a fleshed out plan.
At the very least you'd think they'd choose someone with even a primary school level of understanding how space and/or gravity works. In a movie where half of it takes place in space.
@@noone3216 to be fair, you need only an elementary level knowledge on space to know that most shit in Star Wars makes no sense (like how ships being set on fire in space is completely impossible). That was never really the issue
This is better than the movie.
the HISHE version is much better than the movie
They usually are nowadays
Same goes for the Plinkett prequel reviews
Dear Mr Plinket,
You mentioned that X-wings having hyperdrive was first mentioned in Return of the Jedi. This is not correct as Luke used his X-wing in Empire to get between Hoth, Degobah and the Bespin cloud city, a distance the Millenium Falcon had to use Hyper Drive for.
I know how deeply you appreciate this correction, and I will forward an address for you to fax my pizza rolls shortly.
Maybe he meant that you don't see the hyper drive go into action to those destinations, so up until Return of the Jedi it's not official. I'm not 100% sure though, and may be wrong.
I like your avatar and username.
But still we never see an X-Wing use a hyperdrive until VI so I always assumed he just flew around normally and we weren't supposed to think about it. See small ships use hyperdrive in VI kinda shocked me the first time I watched it.
Fucking NERDS
"to get between Hoth... and the Bespin cloud city, a distance the *Millenium Falcon* had to use *Hyper Drive* for."
Do you not remember the plot of The Empire Strikes Back?
Pretty sure they flew the Millenium Falcon from the asteroid field to Bespin in order to get the Hyper Drive fixed. And Han entered the asteroid field from Hoth when their jump failed to avoid the Star Destroyers. So...PZ you're kind of stupid and forgot the plot. I assumed Luke hyperdrived to Degobah and then to Bespin though.
There's no reason for Rey to care about Kylo Ren. She should hate him, it's like Leia wanting to help out Grand Moff Tarkin. It's completely inexplicable.
+Dok scrofula-And it's not Rey doesn't realize Kylo is an overgrown emo bastard who continues to try to enslave the entire galaxy, killed several children/his friends, has tried to hunt down and murder his uncle and mother, actually killed his own father and Rey's father figure (Han), almost permanently paralyzed a good friend (Finn), murdered thousands of people and placed their bodies in a fucking mass grave he could watch, keeps his grandfather's remains "on the shelf," and is now the new Emperor of this Nu-Empire. Not to mention he has tortured her several times and has attempted to kill her where she even picked up a lightsaber and beat his ass so he wouldn't be able to kill her, even slicing off freaking body parts. So the fact she is willing to care and trust this emo maniac over an ex-Jedi who. . .is a massive dick. . .is simply asinine and braindead. . .Despite that Rian Johnson claims Rey is a child of "nobodies," I feel the concern Rey and Kylo have for each other is a half-assed way to foreshadow that Rey is Kylo's younger sister/niece.
Otherwise, there is no reason why either one of them would care so much about each other. Unless Kylo really wanted to emo it up and envied Rey because she didn't know her parents (emo: "Luuuucky. . . .)-which unfortunately, I don't think the movies were ever trying to go that way. If Rey really was a "nobody," just some random superpowered chick. . .Kylo should have zero interest in her and just see and lock in on her as an enemy that deserves to be put down much like his parents. . .And for Rey. . .just see all above. . .and after she had watched Kylo killed his own father and her father figure, almost permanently paralyzed a good friend, and would have left them on an exploding planet to die, she should just see him as a rabid dog that needs to be put down, someone below reproach or any compassion. Because once she rejected his offer to the Dark Side, he was perfectly content to try and blow her up to smithereens. . . .
@@timy9197 Rey has always been a shell of a nothing of a character-just a vacant, empty Mary Sue void who has no past, no family (allegedly), and just comes literally out of nowhere to just. . .do whatever and be absolutely perfect at everything and anything she ever tries. . .And the only thing that has ever been remotely "interesting" (heavy emphasis on the quotations) about her is that she may or may not be a Skywalker. She may or may not be Luke's daughter/niece and I don't believe J.J. Abrams had any real idea if she was or not with The Force Awakens (other option being the answer Rian Johnson stuck with: she was always a child of "nobodies" that sold her for booze, which will now likely be retconned since they realized how everyone got angry that both Abrams and Johnson wasted all our $%$%$%$ time with a mystery that didn't need to be one, Skywalker or not. . .And I'd really like to know who still cares at this point. . .)
So everyone had their time absolutely wasted for three-four years now, expecting, hoping to find out if Rey is ever going to be a fleshed out character or not. Spoiler: no. . . Being or not being a Skywalker should never have been the ONLY interesting thing about Rey, the only semblance of a character anyone could ever hold on, and even if she does wind up being a Skywalker, who cares? She's just not nearly as likable or human as Luke in the original trilogy and never was-she's pretty akin not even to cardboard (because at least cardboard has some kind of "dimension" (you can prop it up. . .) )but rather a collective, broken thread of string that superficially seems to whole but will unravel and fall apart if you look hard enough and realize there's just absolutely nothing there. . .
Uhhh did you see Kylo shirtless in his fred mertz grandpa pants hubba hubba
@@dragonknightleader1 Well if you saw how Padme was dressing in Attack of the Clones...at least you could tell yourself that she was testing him, and by that I mean cockteasing him. As forced as Anakin and Padme's "relationship" seemed, at least there was something going on between the two. With TLJ, I don't know how to feel about Kylo+Ray, Poe+Finn, Finn+Rose, or Finn+Ray, it's like there's too much forced romance into this.
All of Star Wars inexplicable. They're fantasy films.
Leia flying through space was the dumbest thing I saw in a movie since Indiana Jones survived a nuclear bomb in a refrigerator.
Exactly my thoughts... then, I watched Palpie's geometric Star Destroyer army and that fucking beacon, which relegated Space Leia to place two.
If the refrigerator wasn’t bouncing around and it was inside a cave .. I could at least accept that!
@@arthurballs9632 If you are entertained by unbelievable stupidity! BTW, if you closed yourself in a refrigerator at that time, you would not be able to open it from the inside, and would suffocate to death! They also were not made of lead, so he would die from radiation or cancer within a year!!
to be fair, Indiana Jones also jumped out of an airplane in an inflatable dingy, landed on the side of a snowy mountain and X-Gamed his way to safety... At some point you just have to accept goofy action in a goofy action movie.
Part of the problem is that grown adults consider this shit as "serious" when it was originally produced decades ago when they were kids. That's not to excuse any warts in TLJ, which was plenty clunky in general... But goofy and never very well defined force powers leading to a goofy outcome shouldn't be surprising. Jedi can run real fast and jump real high right until the screenwriters figure it would be more dramatic if they couldn't. The whole house of cards collapses after a few seconds of critical thought. It can't be pinned on a given moment in a given film, it's death by 1,000 tiny cuts.
@Make You Seethe Well of course, they are both silly movies that aren't grounded in reality. I think we're on the same page, as that's the main point of my comment...
A lot fans hold up Leia doing her goofball Peter Pan moves in space as being dumb or Indy hiding in the refrigerator as being dumb.... But those same people never seemed to have much of an issue with the Ewok hang glider or Indy using a rubber dingy as a parachute. My point was these things were always goofy... but it didn't seem to bother people 30 or 40 years ago... only now is all this shit dumb.
"We need someone to remain on board to pilot the ship"
As droids board the escape shuttles in the back of the frame
It's not like we have astromech specifically designed for this..
Don’t worry about Holdo after all “No one is ever really gone”
Why did I get a notification for this? Did i comment something that was deleted?
@@nailmontana1993 idk why. I liked Kyle Campbell's comment, dunno why you'd get a notification about that. This is your first comment in the thread that I can see though.
@@kylecampbell565 I wish Holdo did come back in the Rise of Skywalker, and when others ask how she survived she'd say: "My hair is a path to many abilities some would find... unnatural"
On Rey, one of the weirdest aspects of her, and a large part of why I think people have trouble have connecting with her, is that she has no meaningful connection with the main characters in The Last Jedi. Compare her to Luke for example, in The Empire Strikes Back his whole motivation to go to Cloud City is a deep fear of what's going to happen to his friends. You can see his fear, his blood pumping, his determination for action, and also see exactly how that fear makes him vulnerable. And, before that, you even get those moments back on Hoth, scenes like him nearly dying in the snow and needing to be saved by Han, or the now awkward kiss between him and Leia. These are relationships that give him stronger motivations for his behavior, strengthening is already well defined sense of adventure and desire for action. With Rey, to be fair, there's a bit of interaction and potential chemistry (in a character interaction/person worth fighting for kind of way) between her and Finn in the Force Awakens that gave the film a little heart, but none of that comes into play here. She has no connection, no motivation, no reason to exist in the larger story of the Resistance. Hell for all the talk of this movie and feminism she barely has any agency or drive beyond what feels like her bad boy crush on Ren, which just doesn't feel as meaningful and Luke and his friends in Empire, or as revelatory as Luke trying to save Vader in ROTJ.
She still fares better than Finn - the only interesting character of the first movie - but considering she's the main character and supposed protagonist, she has little purpose in the larger story. She's very floaty, hard to read, and passive.
She had a meaningful relationship with Han in TFA... but he dead. She also had some companionship with Finn in that movie, but this movie has Finn and Rey separate for like 99% of the runtime. Her relationship with Kyle Ren has the potential to be very interesting, but the fact that this movie feels like it’s expecting the next film to give the payoff for that leaves it very muddled.
You are so right.
She also doesn't have a position. In Empire during the time skip Luke worked his way up to Lutnenint. He was fully a part of the Rebellion and had worked with them and gained friends and had responsibilities to them.
What does Ray have? She is still technically a rookie and has no real ties to the Rebellion or what they do beyond being friends with Finn.
The only “character flaw” that I can possibly think of for Rey is that she wants to know about her parents... except that’s not a character flaw. It’s a specific desire. People NEED character flaws. As much as I enjoyed The Force Awakens my biggest issue with it was that Rey was not only good as nearly everything she does, but she didn’t even really EARN her talents through character growth. By the end of the first Star Wars movie, Luke’s Force powers had only amounted to being able to aim a torpedo superhumanly well one time. The The Empire Strikes Back saw Luke training through much of the movie and he still gets his ass handed to him by Vader at the end. It isn’t until the end of the third film that he has finally grown strong enough to hold his own against Vader because he EARNED it and we SAW him grow. And now compare that to Rey in the TFA, able to repel the mind powers of Kyle Ren, a trained user of the Force, despite having ZERO training whatsoever.
Kylo said it best: “You have no place in this story. You come from nothing. You’re nothing.”
Rose.... bites.... General Hux's finger... in the deleted scene.
Good thing that was deleted.
Arasonyth at least it would have made this movie interesting
Could've probably worked had Hux instead punched her or something instead of screaming and pulling away, but since he's written as a child's cartoon villain in a trilogy that has a hard on for female independence and male inferiority, we can't have the villian, a male no less, hurting a side character hero, who's more importantly a woman.
@Jay McDanieL Wrong anime.
ah, the Biden manoeuvre
Anthony Smith Then Hux would be an ambassador for true equality.
The First Order is what happens when you make a caricature of bad guys. You accent the stuff you don't like about them, at the same time making it utterly impossible to make them believable.
The Space Putins!
palpatine is literally the definition of your basic evil bad guy
@@Chris-ks4sw except he's competent in the original series, unlike the first order
@@ElykEcralc He is not competent. He makes a ton of stupid decisions even in the OT.
My favourite part of the new trilogy is that we get to see more Plinkett reviews.