Legion Go is gunning for ROG Ally
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I see a bunch of people asking about it being VRR. I think I mentioned it but ended up editing it out due to a sneeze and forgot to say it on the next take. Now Lenovo doesn't specifically say VRR but they do say this - the display is also adjustable to playstyle and situation, supporting resolutions from 1600p to 800p as well as 144Hz and 60Hz refresh rates. Which I'm betting means VRR, but perhaps I'm wrong.
Yeah, my big concern here is that it's kinda missing at this point and it's the secret sauce for the Ally...
@@VisceralMonkey504 If it's a portrait display as some have suggested then v-sync can be turned off especially with 144Hz. Our eyes can detect screen tears going across the screen easier than vertically. I turn v sync off on the steam deck.
Since Ally has a landscape display then Vrr is more helpful not having to rely on v-sync.
at 18:35 , just so you know, I play most of my PC games with PS3 Nav controller + reWASD for remapping(hold, double tap, etc.) + mouse. I really don't like the keyboard part of KBM, fat fingers the wrong buttons, I mostly only use WASD/Jump/Crouch the rest is remap on my mouse and as a 3D animator I'm 8 hours+ on a keyboard. I didn't find anything better than this, other device have their D-pad way out, but PS3 Nav controller have the d-pad so it can be press with the bottom of your thumb while on the joystick.
The thing is in the leaked video it mentions VRR. In today's official video no mention of VRR
Does it have variable refrssh rate?
I was an early adopter of the Rog Ally... and that whole bitter experience (dont ask).. burned me on being an early adopter... I would love to pick up the Legion Go.. but this time.. I'm going to wait a few months, until its capabilities,and the inevitable early bugs, are understood, and make a more informed decision.
Always wait. As long as you can.
I get what you are saying but I have to ask what issues did you have with the Rog Ally? I've only had 1 issue with it which was a bluescreen but it's windows and I've had that before.
I've had no issues and it is what I expected. Battery life could have been better but it's a 1st gen and I get what I expected out of it.
All the games I play, Cyberpunk, F1 22, Forza Horizon and Halo MCC as my mine games at the moment but looking forward to playing Stacraft and Forza Motorsport on it over the next few months.
I play it mostly in handheld but bought a dock for it with a 2tb ssd in and use this for long gaming sessions.
I also use it for pickup and play games with my 5 year old in Minecraft, Turtles and Rocket league. All games run amazing on it too. I also use my 1TB Sd card for Emulators.
I know we all use the different.
As for what I prefer ide say the Go was more at the kids market and the Ally was more at the adult market. That said I like the idea of using the controller as a mouse definitely a great idea.
Same for me. I was late to the handheld pc space. I actually didn't even get the deck until after I returned the ally. I pre-ordered it and had a ton of issues. So I am probably going to wait a few years until I get another one. I'm hoping they will have a handheld windows version by then and the chipset will be better. Although the ally burned me I'm still extremely excited about this space.
@@james8606 he literally said don't ask and the first thing you do is ask
@@MK-vi2cm I know he did but thought ide ask as I do wonder what issues people have as we all have different experiences. It was same when I got my surface due.
Thoughts in regards to design cycles:
a) Large companies like these can afford to have some sort of customisable prototype design on the back burner just for an opportunity to enter the market, doesn't mean they've been _actively_ working on it all this time
b) Few PC handhelds strive for some kind of revolutionary design, there's already a ton of basic designs to crib from in the market.
c) ROG Ally's structural design issues like the "killer" positioning of the SD Card port show that there may not be as much prototype design testing going on as we might hope.
No VRR and the 20 max TDP explains the single fan. The Ally still outperforms this unless you’re hard pressed for a bigger screen and QHD.
20w? The max is 48w max from what I’ve seen
Still sticking with my modded full white Steam Deck and try to squeeze every frame out of it overclocked.
To be honest I’m more about the hardware than the gaming itself 😂
Me too buy, use once , store away
$749 for 1TB is amazing compared to the Ally - don’t forget you need to fork over $50 for a case from Asus.
No VRR tho :/
@@zorroknowsbetter Portrait display don't need VRR as much as landscape displays like the Ally. You can turn the v-sync off especially with 144hz. Your eye detect screen tearing a lot more across the screen more than vertically. I turn v-sync off on the Steam deck.
@@smidlee7747isn't landscape displays bad for certain games? No VRR at lower frame count will be a deal breaker for most gamers.
To bad we have to wait until October. Now I am going to be like Carmen waiting for the Wii.
to me, the screen makes this handheld ridiculously bulky and i don't think i could bother to bring it anywhere with me.
the ally is just at the limit of what i consider portable enough to carry around in my bad anywhere i go.
but i love their mouse mode for the right controller and certainly hope to see something similar on other handhelds in the future.
looks too weighty as well - defo will not be getting this thing
As a legion laptop user it's funny because I see the opposite, like I can't wait to reduce carrying capacity of a gaming laptop and throw this in the bag instead..
As a steam deck daily user I didn't even blink an eye at the Ally, but this handheld looks fantastic, I hate dual booting my steam deck for game pass, so as soon as I saw the trackpad on this and this massive beautiful screen and I was sold, I will be picking it up.
Same here. Ally lost me on white colour and no trackpad. Also that analogs delay and dead zone was terrific. Couldn't hit anybody in Apex.
(I bought and returned ALLY)
Steam Deck is perfect but lacks support for latest multiplayer games with antycheats and falls short with performance against Z1 Extreme.
Thinking about selling your steam deck ?
@@mr.frenchii8973definitely should did you the legion go controller it's crazy thought out
It's too heavy tho
The things that make me doubt is that it has only one pretty little vent and a bigger quad HD screen meaning it will get hot... This on top of Lenovo being quite complicated with their drivers release. Let's see where it goes.
I want to see what it can do before throttling or showing some shenanigans(vent noise,etc)...
Great video! Rog ally runs at 30wh plugged in. Also there was a full stop after the statement of explaining the battery plugged in, so it won't charge to 70% within half an hour as previously stated as it was a new sentence. I hope that helps! :)
Ah man i love whats going on with these handhelds and the pricing is crazy good. I think its gonna come down to form factor. Especially if 600 to 700 going to be the price point
Can't wait for this! May pick it up if the reviews are good.
my rog ally runs at about 35db
Hey I could be wrong but after reading the text again I think the recharge to 70% (super rapid charge) works while *not* gaming. What I mean is, the sentence doesn’t say “…it charges up to 70% when gaming…”
Oh. I think you’re right!
Disappointed with no oculink. Disappointed in lack of 2280 ssd support.
Disappointed in lack of additional usb A port.
Disappointed in no keyboard attachment.
Apart from these problems it still is the best offering. If the onexplayer 2 pro had rear buttons it would be the winner.
Great video, I'm out on the Asus due to talks on the burning through SD cards and no carry case for £699 a joke. This Lenovo legion Go 8.8" QHD+ Lenovo PureSigh looks incredible
Bill, I love you. Thank you for the lovely, lengthy bit of info and research. Because I wouldn't have the time! Legion Go it is for me. Hope you decide to pick one up too.
Have you heard of the rumored minisform tablet powered with this chip ? I'm gonna wait for that and see how it is if it's true I haven't had a tablet in so long and I could use a smaller laptop replacement and I already have a steam deck
It's bigger and heavier than the Steam Deck, feels like a step backwards in terms of portability. ROG Ally is safe in that way at least - Specs are also very similar. The extra battery life and detachable controllers make it appealing, but I can see smaller people or kids picking the ROG Ally for portability reasons.
im going to stick with what i have (defo not smaller) but i think the thing is awful detachable controllers, why? kust use a bluetooth controller and way too bulky to use on a plane etc. specs are no different from ally, screen bigger - so i suspect the battery will be like all the others less than average
@Futura2500 Detachable controllers are easily replaced controllers to be fair.
I think it's pretty simple,
They saw the success of the switch, they wanted to dip into that market but going against the big 3 gaming companies wouldn't make sense and wouldn't be profitable.
Then they saw the Steam deck enter the fray, instead of making an entirely new gaming console, they just used laptop parts to make it into a dedicated gaming laptop with a custom OS.
Then they saw the ROG Ally embrace the laptop mind-set with Windows, Lenovo was already creating their Legion device, but this solidified that they had a market for repurposing laptop parts into a gaming machine that they can upsell as a dedicated gaming device. But make no mistake, these devices are just laptops.
Pretty simple when you think about it from a different perspective.
Weird, what happened to all the people that said they prefer the Ally over the Steam Deck, because it was lighter and slightly less bulky? Now they all seem to want the Lenovo...which is heavier and bulkier than the Steam Deck!
I think Lenovo had this idea of a device based off of the switch and was on the back burner and wasn't sure if it'd be profitable but after seeing the steam deck success with its price tag I think they put the project in motion
The Liquid crystal polymer fan is not marketing mumbo-jumbo. It's the material used in the highest end fans on the market (Noctua, Phanteks T30) LCP allows the blades to have a much tighter tolerance to the frame, improving airflow at lower rpm. To my knowledge, its never been used in a laptop, let alone a handheld.
Its like someone at Lenovo walked into the engineering department and said, "you guys know what's awesome, make the device you would be excited about"
The pricing is AMAZING on this Powerhouse. Actually the new King of Handhelds, so excited to get one.
im getting the legion go.
it's a mix of both handhelds: steam deck/switch. its aiming at both markets.
Of course the Legion Go is a resonse to the steam deck. The steam deck showed that a pc handheld can be very sucessfull. And I have no doubt that it will remain the most sucessfull pc handheld device. Other Handhelds come and go, the deck will stay. ;)
The deck will be around simply because people will soon be able to buy for $200-$250 used. But these other devices are quite a bit better. I can run Starfield at 35 fps at medium settings at 900 p resolution on my Ally. But I do think that this Legion Go is gonna be way better than the Ally for the same price point. Ally’s will drop prices used and new when this thing comes out.
I might return my ally for this one. The reliability of the controllers in how they attach and detach might become an issue, but the screen would be my main reason for getting this.,
hall joystick as well
I mean you have a 1 year warranty and it's available at Best Buy if you're in the states...
The SD card issue, which is a legit design flaw, makes it difficult for me to recommend the Ally despite how much I like it.
@@conchobarwhy? Your games shouldn’t be on a sd card anyway unless you’re into emulation
@conchobar SD card is no longer an issue on the ally. I sent mine in for repairs (RMA), and I haven't experienced any issues ever since I collected it. I've had an SD card in it for about 3 weeks now. The whole RMA process takes quite some time, but it is worth it. You can do same
Legion Go has no VRR and the max TDP is 20w. Ally has VRR and 30w turbo TDP.
Max on the Go is 25W but yes the Ally will be better in performance. Especially running at 900p with RIS.
For me it's between the GPD Win Max 2 (2023) and this. The classic laptop style of the GPD makes it functional. But, the Legion seems like it could be the better gaming option.
I have the win max 2, no other portable appeals to me anymore lol
TGP mean total graphics power. It’s more of a GPU Term. While TDP mean Thermal Design Parameter I think and is more CPU / SoC specific rating. Weird they use TGP.
I’m so glad that handheld PCs have become a big thing after the Steam Deck. The handheld form factor is great! However the Windows issue needs fixing, Steam Deck has a massive advantage having a gaming dedicated OS.
Check out the hex evo left hand controller for the pc.
A Big concern is no VRR and only 25W max TDP on the Legion GO when the ALLY does 30W.
But it says 25w?
@@bigstv15 Yeah your right 25W in custom mode. I just read that now on Lenovo website but NO VRR is still a NO buy for me.
@@VizioN-Scope I'm not gonna lie I'm pretty disappointed too, I still want to see how it performs but with these specs I don't think it'll be better than the ally or even on par really
@@bigstv15 the ally def does 30 watts, even more if plugged in on occasion
@@Jimmyz96 oh yeah it definitely does, I was talking about the Legion Go, it was listed somewhere that the max it went up to was 25W TDP. Now we know though that it can go up to 48W TDP.
Evolution-wise, I would say that cell phone gaming might have prompted the Nintendo Switch. Once that blank space on the map previously marked 'Ere be Dragons' was mapped by Nintendo, other companies would have seen the potential, some maybe to drop the idea and others in the pipeline as yet unseen. I always thought there was more potential for a handheld iGame from Apple than a watch! I suspect Lenovo saw the weaknesses in the Switch as well as the strengths and went one route whereas Valve went a different one. VHS and Beta again or will we see a place for both styles of handheld in the market based on user preference?
What ever happens, I will stay with the Steam Deck. Don't get me wrong, I love the bigger screen! But I am still hoping for a Steam Deck II, which maybe has a OLED screen. Valve supported the deck really good. And I am not someone with a lot technical knowledge, but when I just only look to the looks of this device, I get a Nintendo Switch deja vu with cramps in my fingers. Also I never used the joycons separate from the system itself, but it feels over time rickety anyway, so I prefer the controllers and screen as one system.
But I think Lenovo is aiming for the Steam Deck / PC users and not for the Switch users, if they did that they would have made a pc handheld many years ago. Just my two cents. Also parents wouldn't be very happy with a price tag of €749,= when they have 3 kids. 😅
I'm going to stick with the steam deck I have, but boy am I happy that if I hadn't gotten it and wanted a handheld pc today, I would have as many options as I do now, specially for the pricing
Bigger is better , I would imagine the air flow would be greatly improved. It’s tempting as an ally owner 🙂
18:40 you can do that already with current controllers and a Joycon with JoyToKey
Got the deck but i may get this after seeing more tests.I like that the right stick and be made a gun mouse
Dude just use bluetooth mouse and foldable keyboard. Even if you buy this. They are simply superior for fps.
@@hornantuutti5157 i only use wired tbh but the fact its an option and supposedly good as dave2d said it's a neat option especially if space if limited or just playing a single player fps or game like diablo or path of exile
With me I think both the Ally and the Legion Go are both a response to the Steam Deck and the Switch at the same time but the Legion go is more of a response to the Switch than the Steam Deck because of the detachable controllers vs the Ally which is 50% a response to the Switch and the Steam Deck due to the portable gaming aspect of it due to the controllers not being detachable. One could argue that the Ally and the Steam Deck are more of a response to the Switch Lite rather than the full blown Switch Since the controllers on the light are NOT detachable. Plus the Legion Go has a kickstand on it just like the full blown Switch. If had the extra cash I would get an Legion Go because it looks so appealing to me because I think it would be perfect for both Wii and Switch emulation because of the detachable controllers that it has. Also you can emulate a Wiimote using a mouse which would be perfect for Wii-emulation.
I do believe that this was a response to the Steam deck, I mean valve proved that there is an audience to this kind of device by making the deck, the response to the deck was like no other (valve wasn't the first to make the idea but they were the first to make something very consumer friendly and affordable). So I think they saw the market and wanted a piece of it.
It's not that it's all about a brand and valve is a bigger brand than this Chinese company who a lot of people don't know and trust
October Launch date with CES in 2 months.. I can almost expect AMD to show off the 8840u which may or may not give better performance.
The good thing about Lenovo Selling this is that they have a lot of sales and you could find yourself getting it much cheaper than it's initial price, or a better bundled deal later on. Glad I waited, now we just gotta see what Dell has coming out.
Its only upto 20W TDP, Will that make a big difference from 30W TDP like tha ally?
Even with the Ally there isn't much performance increase from 20 TDP to 30 TDP. It's the same there is little increase on the Steam Deck 10 TDP to 15 TDP.
I have a steam deck and ally , love them both but, I'm super excited to pick up the legion go
Same...My girl is definetly gonna be mad at me hahaha
Bigger screen needs a more powerful apu or it doesn’t look good .
damn now im even more happy I returned the ally lol Can't wait for the Legion go
I was interested when I first stumbled upon the leak when looking at ROG Ally videos. But I was sold when I noticed the UI.
Waiting for the One-X-Fly... smaller package overall, yet still has 7-inch screen...🧐🤓
So far this thing looks amazing. I'm curious about reliability though. If that isn't an issue, it'll definitely have a huge advantage over the Ally. I want a PC handheld but haven't found the "right one" so far. If the reviews are positive for the Go I will definitely get it.
many reviewers seem to miss the mark when it comes to VRR like its not all that important, but these handhelds are weak, you would think they are AAA powerhouses the way some reviewers talk about them but they are super weak by pc gaming standards so things like VRR play a huge role in making low framerate gaming a pleasing experience, with VRR comes low framerate compensation and with VRR you also have the ability to adjust the range for the ideal experience. Lenovo were advertising VRR and its suddenly vanished from the marketing, that was either a very dodgy marketing move to get the hype rolling (particularly against the ally which ofcourse has VRR) or... they fluffed up quite bad, its a significant loss to the system without VRR. Rumor has it that they are locking the power limit down to 20w also which indicates they are not confident in the cooling capabilities of the system they have built, yet to hear more on this though. edit: lenovo website claims ''a full 25w'' not 20, so thats not too bad, but still less than many competing handsets with the same hardware.
I’m hoping it’s massive size means more performance and battery life. I’ll take something heavier if that’s what I get in return. The steam deck/ally just isn’t quite there yet.
The ROG Alley and Legion Go are both a response to the Steam Deck. Although we don't know about these things until they are near release these companies know about what the other companies are doing at least a year a head of us. Companies have to release patents and all kinds of other things for their designs years before a product is even being developed. And the other companies are always checking to see what the other guys are working on. This is why a lot of similar products come out at the same time. If they take too long to release theirs then people will buy what is available and the company lose market share by the time their product is released. PS 4 did this launching their consoles as soon as possible at least 6 months before Xbox. And that made a lot of people move to PS 4 and had much higher early sales than the xbox.
Do you know the price of Denuvo?
Battery health is way more important if you are wrecking the batter and charging it much quicker.
That's it, we got the mouse on a handheld
I am calling it out, within a few years we will have an ARM powered handheld, hopefully running Steam OS and because of arm, able to boast insane battery life
I’m good beyond good with my ally won’t be switching it out for anything else but nice to see the market opening up had to pass on the steam deck because it just seemed underwhelming to me but all of the newer products seems so much better
Who's next? Razer? MSI? Alienware? Omen? We need mote handhelds
I prefer displays that cater to my cornea
Handhelds on the scale of Go and Ally takes years of R&D they aren't going to rush a product to mass distribution to potentially lose tens if not more millions of dollars to try to cash in on what is still a niche device the Steam Deck. These aren't devices being made off pre-orders/backing, they aren't devices being made to be sold to 1000 people like a lot of these windows handhelds are these are 2 major companies wanting to get into that market.
These devices probably went into R&D 4-5 years ago it just so happened Steam beat them to market and these won't be the last companies we see doing this we will other computer manufacturers doing this i would be shocked if Dell/HP didn't dip their toes into this. It's an additional market for something they are already into.
These devices are cool and everything but I'm really sold on Steam OS. I'm gonna keep using my Deck until either the Deck 2 comes out or something comparable running Steam OS. Unless Windows massively changes their OS to make more gaming friendly which doesn't seem likely.
A lot of people said that the price of the steam deck was the end of the debate, and now that there is a ridiculous amount of competition all coming out around the same time those same people are experiencing severe buyers remorse. The american consumer market has such a bad habit of being impatient. I was playing games via stream from my phone like 2 years or more before the steam deck came out. Seeing the specs and seeing that they were significantly worse than my phone even, i knew there had to be more. We also like to back companies like they are our favorite football team, not a business selliin a product
I feel you but the Steam Deck is still king. 699 base model for the Go is higher than the price of the highest model for the Steam Deck. That's a big ask for the average consumer. Also the Steam Deck is already huge this thing (the Go) is not travel friendly with the size and weight it carries, and it runs windows which has its own slew of issues. The biggest plus for the Go is no worry on anti cheat support but yeah no buyers remorse here or fanboying on the Steam Deck. We all came to game...well aside from the guys adding water cooling etc to mobile pcs lol
7 inch is dead long live 8" (from now on)
I'd only be marginally interested in a LegGo™️ if it either runs OOB SteamOS or can be made to run it easily without losing out on configurability. I suspect this is a tall ask, but I'm only interested in how easy the SteamDeck is. It has to be that simple if I'm gonna drop this kinda money on a new handheld.
honestly, the one that stands out the most is vrr on these underpowered cpu's
This handheld reminds me of the most recent "cars" movie the steam deck who we all love is lightning McQueen but he's the oldest and the new handheld are the new fancy race cars coming onto the seen beating the snot out of mcqueen in a race yes the steam deck is slower and older but he's the goat and we will never stop loving him and rooting for him and the deck/mcqueen will make a come back just like ⚡️lightning McQueen⚡️ 😅 KA-CHOW
The display on the Go seems to be the same as Lenovos Y700 gaming table. Even the bezels, resolution, and size are the same. It doesn't have VRR though.
Thanks for this. I think your right. NO VRR = NO Buy for me.
The leaked video showed the display had VRR - was I dreaming or was it removed in the final version of the official video?
I was looking at the listing on Best Buy it doesn’t mention anything of VRR and that’s a bummer, I’ll stick with my rog ally
Why is VRR so important? Honestly asking because I dont know. @@Dj-sf7or
@@Espodude17 V-sync causes lag but screen tearing is a lot less noticeable on a portrait display so I leave it turn off on the Deck. There isn't much advantage to VRR when not using V-sync. If you use v-sync at 40 fps with 60 hz monitor then every other frame is repeated and doesn't look as smooth which is why most consoles games are locked at 30 fps or 60 fps.
Without v-sync on this isn't a problem but screen tearing is very noticeable on a landscape display. Thus VRR is more important on a landscape display than a portrait display as how our eyes "sees".
Since Ally has a landscape display VRR is more useful.
If I was rich I would cop it but I'm all good with my Steam Deck. Looks promising hope it isn't an Rog Ally situation for the people who do get it
$750 for a 1TB unit AND A HARDCASE THAT I CAN CHARGE THE DEVICE IN?! SOLD!
For the z1 extreme or the z1?
Extreme
And no VRR or LFC and no games will run native so it'll be a janky mess na Ally dances circles around this unwieldily monstrosity 😂
40 mins battery? that screen gonna suck down power ! kinda wish it had the 7040u.
You should buy the Legion Go and the Rog Ally for your UA-cam channel and Podcast. If you talk about this stuff, you should test it yourself. Also you could compare all Devices to the Aya Neo Kun, would be a good Video!
I did buy the Ally and tested it. And put videos out about it. I might get this. But I can’t afford to buy everything
Im waiting for the Aorus Hawk. I will come in Summer 2024 i know that they are working on that.
I was holding out until tax season to get the rog ally. Guess I'm not getting that one now
Dude, I believe they are totally responding to the Steam Deck.
Its nice but the most thing that would amaze me is like a smaller device of steam deck but with oled screen. I wouldnt care if its still 500-800p, but not more than that. Otherwise the playing time will be again max 1,5 hour.. small screen with 800p is sharp. I like stean deck, but its too big. And oled would be nice. The rest is perfect. I maybe would also suggest that one mouse pad is enough. Never used both or even one tbh. I Know aya neo has something like it, but I dont trust the shitty company as they release every half year a new product, and support sucks as well.
I'm glad i bought the ally and sold the deck. The difference is night and day. Shout-out to the competition
I avoided Ally at all cost because of its bad reputation and the device design I dislike(big basal, logo on the front side, white plastic) this thing looks cool and with this price, but ofc I'll wait for reviews, hate to be early adopter but if it has better QC than Ally then I'm in.
Add up to 2tb sd storage? Do we even have 2tb sd cards??
No, we are pretty much stuck at 1tb for micro sd. I'm sure you can get lager one's but it wouldn't be consumer priced.
I have been looking at the Ayaneo Kun but now I think this has replaced the Kun on my watchlist.
Not only the switch, but the decades of open system handhelds all the way to gameparks gp32 in 2001 (02 03 defending where on earth you lived.) Emulation, and homebrew, ect all that good stuff. The switch definitely proved it could be massively popular, the nail in the coffin. Valve, Asus, Lenovo are trying to find that sweet spot in the middle between casual (switch) and appealing to the hardcore as you said.
The problem with handhelds outside of the Steam Deck is windows... Til windows is the operating system there will be problems, period. No matter how strong the hardware is... This is why i believe that the Deck is better than any other handheld. Not to mention the price tag... All this being said if the Legion Go gonna work as other Lenovo products i definitely gonna get it. I had several Lenovo Legion laptops and they all been very good.
Maybe the LLG is anticipation of the next Nintendo system.
I have an ally (had a steam deck and likely to order another for the kids) and I would totally consider a Legion Go but man these big manufacturers should be offering 32GB RAM options
Why exactly if your playing games
@@chriswright8074 that’s why
So when are you going to have your hands on it? 😊 I saw Dave2d and other youtuber had a review copy I think. We wanna see your thoughts when you have one
God I wish.
I swear i thought it was lenuvo maybe im thinking about denuvo prolly thought this was one of those thingymijiggy OH MANDELA EFFECT
denuvo making ANY form of device? no thanks.
This is no longer a handheld pc, this is now a putitdown pc.
That's why I'm a PC gamer. You have so many options and not bound by a single piece of hardware. Desktops, laptops and handhelds of all different sizes.
Detachable controllers are crucial to my purchasing decision coming from someone who lost count how many controllers has broken on me.
What exactly is going on with the specs, one minute they are reporting a 144hz VRR display the next they seem to be ducking out on VRR which is a pretty big miss - not least because im hearing its also going to be capped at 20w max. If true this kind of sounds like a recipe for disaster, games already clearly struggle on ally, even with 30+watts cranking its often not enough to really truly make bigger games run ''smooth'' but its much nicer to play at 50fps with VRR for example than without VRR where its a mess.
So like whats the story here, seems they have for sure removed VRR from all marketing. It seems many manufacturers are banking on big screens and missing what makes playing the game a more pleasing experience, especially on handheld devices that are pretty damn weak truth be told and the net downside to that screen size seems to be the weight, this thing is chonky by any handhelds metrics, when were talking heavier than a steam deck which is already the size of a toddlers skateboard its a significant negative, i have a deck and ally and i do need to lean on something with deck, hands not be hovering out in front of you for long with that haha.
For those reasons and the fact its just another 7840u handheld in what is now a sea of these things ill just wait it out 12 months for the next flood of 8000 series updates.
EDIT: lenovo website states ''a full 25w, not 20w''. The website also says it supports 144hz and 60hz refresh rates, putting to bed the idea of variable refresh, thats a shame.
Go to the gym and lift some weights, and stop complaining about something which is not even up to 1kg
Agreed and no only that there isn't even an Oculink port so that's a no go when it comes to using it as a desktop dock. At least my Ally has XGM which I currently have a 6850M XT to pair it with.
@@anon858. it’s nothing to do with being strong, if you seen the person you just said that to you would be embarrassed lol.
It’s just common sense and use case scenario, when you play a handheld device it’s out in front of your face, heck if you hold your arms out without holding anything you will feel it on your shoulders after 10 minutes, the lighter a device is the more comfortable it is for longer gaming sessions.
You shouldn’t need to be big and strong to relax playing video games.
And I say that as somebody that can bench 396 pounds (180kg) so please, get real.
@@jinx20001 firstly, I'm not scared of anyone. I say things for what they are, so I don't give af about who he is. Talking about benching 396 pounds, anyone can say that on the internet. You wouldn't complain about something which is not even up to a kilo if you've got average strength
@@anon858. you are missing the point entirely, I wasn’t saying what I lift to try and intimidate somebody on the internet, I was saying it because I think you know a thing or two about lifting since your name is BigGunz4384 so you would see the funny side when I tell you I lift too so you know and I know 1kg in the grand scheme of things is nothing.
But this isn’t the grand scheme of things, this isn’t a weight on a bar, this is a gaming device, we as people who lift heavy weights also know 5kg is nothing, but does that mean a 5kg handheld is no problem because we are people who can lift massively more… no, that’s not how this works right, you know it and I know it.
When comparing a handheld we are comparing it to other handhelds. I have a steam deck and rog ally, and the steam deck is about as large and heavy id like a handheld to be, even though I can lift wayyyy more it still comes down to how they compare to other handhelds and what that means when you are sitting in bed playing a game, that few hundred grams is the difference between leaning on your knees or not.
Leave the gym brain in the gym, what you can lift is not relevant when comparing handhelds, like I said a 5kg handheld is HEAVY for a handheld, it’s not ok because you go gym lol
I think Asus/Lenovo products are reaction to the Steam Deck. We had handheld PC from different chinese manufactures. But those units where more of a purchase and you are on your own if you had any issues. Then Valve comes out with this unit and people are talking about it, many are enjoying the device and Valve can't keep up with demand. NOW other manufacturers noticed and want a piece of the pie. Now I do think the Steam Deck is a reaction to Nintendo's Swith. Valve saw how well the Switch was selling, even though it didn't have next gen graphics and all this other super specs like MS/Sony has, and said how can we bring that over to PC games. That's my take.
either that or they made the steam deck to spite nintendo itself due to a lot of horrific things they've been doing... they even had an ad for the steam deck having a nintendo switch emulator at some point but took it down. lol
@@Viesta true but the steam deck was really to separate from windows because of the monopoly on pc gaming that was on the horizon. There was talk among the community of how there was potential for windows making it difficult for steam since they ran the hardware aspect. Steam OS and linux allows Valve to keep total control of their money so Microsoft can do whatever they want and steam would still thrive independently if things got to that point.
@@MK-vi2cm all i know is the entire gaming landscape would go ape shit if microsoft did something to steam.
I'll get it if I can sell my ally
I just cant get over the fact that this is BARELY a handheld. Let's be honest here, it's a gaming laptop without a keyboard. The screen is big, it's heavy, its got a built in mouse designed for table top gameplay.
This is literally the switch 2 Nintendo sold the rights to levono
at the same price the rog ally is definitely dead
Beautiful n powerful handheld BUT expensive ! Not for everyone.
Liquid Crystal Polymer is a real substance and not just Apple marketing. High end fans (Noctua, Phanteks, Thermalright, etc) use them.
I’ve been making the argument that 540p is the best resolution for gaming on the Ally.
IBM legion go 😂😂
No VRR is a no go for me I’ll stick with Ally
Goodluck 😊
Is Vrr really a deal breaker for people?
It used to cause my COD 2.0 to crash on my ally, whenever I turned it on in the in-game settings
I remember when people claimed no OLED screen is a deal breaker. It's most for bragging rights to make people feel it's ok for them to stay with their current PC handheld which I think most people should.
Does screen quality matter if the primary use case is a docked gaming console?