Good for Richard for being able to withstand Ed’s frenetic mumbling and capture the gist. I couldn’t stay engaged because it revved my nervous system too much. And the interruptions were annoying. I kept waiting for Richard to speak so I could relax and listen. He knows how to pace for the listener’s benefit and is always spot on in his analysis. I’ve been wanting to watch the show and appreciated this.
wow, I’m not the only one who felt this. In the first couple of minutes of introduction the guy was already seriously annoying and strident. gosh, and he is supposed to be some type of special media personality?
Jesus, had this man drank twenty caffeine drinks…? He is utterly unwatchable and very, very stressful. You, Richard, are as engaging and fascinating as always.
I’m interested in Richard’s opinion on this topic, and can listen to him all day long. Unfortunately, Prof Dutton is too loud and amped up for my unregulated nervous system. Maybe I’ll try later.
@@emma-kateelliott6687 😂😂😂 right?!?? 🥴😂😂 his lack of filter makes me question if he isn’t on the spectrum..so I find his comments kinda funny actually 🥴😂😂🤷🏻♀️🤦♀️😂
I will try again. What an inaccurate and gross oversimplification of autism. Autists often have higher than average emotional empathy. Cognitive empathy/theory of mind, not so much. Also, there are autists that are a-secksual.
Takes a min to adjust to his speed of language..he’s definitely a fast talker..but once you can keep up, he is a pretty interesting fellow ..I agree 🔥🖖
I do too! I don't want him to change! And I like we can contribute. I love his style. I disagree with some of the things he says. But appreciate we can do that.
I wholeheartedly agree with your opinion of their situation Richard! "...Two people of matching pathologies have come together". This was very helpful thank you. Self responsibility rules ❤
Bless you for having Richard on your channel but for whatever reason you are yelling and I could not hang with it. I appreciate the enthusiasm but take it down a bit
Goodness Gracious... Holly-Jolly Cannolly 😅, Sir ! I love Richard's and your insights on the subject at hand, but I felt like listening to a horse racing commentary, at times.... Please, I beg of you, pace yourself... With all my heart ❤️...
Richard, would you consider doing a video essay or something similar about this topic? Not trying to be mean but this guy makes it unwatchable - interrupting too much, too hyped up, etc might be great for some but unwatchable to me as it makes it difficult for me to retain the relevant information
It’s always a pleasure to see you and Ed together, Richard. Definitely something I’d like to see more of. You complement each other wonderfully and it’s lovely to see the friendship develop on a personal and professional level.
@@magfan77 his laughing always just sends me over the edge because I’m already usually laughing too so it feels like watching a comedy skit when I see him trying to maintain his composure 🤣🤣🤣
@@nineteenfortyeight6762 oh does he?? I don’t think I’ve seen him before this speaking with Richard so I didn’t know. I just assumed he is just kind of silly and eccentric or something. Didn’t realize he got into people on his page I’ve never seen it before. That is odd
Yes, saw that. But nobody ever says the actual age difference. I worked it out myself. If she were a man, the dialogue would be very different. @franniejoynes2798
Big fan of Richard Grannon as one of several experts I listen to regularly with Sam Vaknin, Melanie Tonia Evans, Gabor Mate, Pete Walker, Behaviour Panel, Ashley Storm, the divorcing dad guy and a small group of cluster B experts & NA recovery. First, this is worth a listen as Grannon gives some super insights when he’s allowed to talk. Second, how many times can you count the interviewer slipping in “that most NPDs are women; most coverts/vulnerable narcs are women” and emphasizing examples of women NPDs (not sure they were full NPD without analysis but ok to fly that info off in a podcast). And deeemphaszing or ignoring examples of cluster B men - it was in your face partisan or showing his trauma in naked forum. Uncomfortable. Third, interviewer is not only misogynist ☝️but decides to say that people with autism have no empathy 😳 and then goes on about homosexuals (through his homophobic studies) in such an offensive way he’s either BPD and/ or closeted. He’s clearly highly traumatized to put it gently. Anyway, I could go on as it was the first horrible pod I’ve listened with Grannon (to no fault of Richard’s except going on the show). Interviewer also called Martha from Baby Reindeer a “porker” - what a shitty person. And yet there were a couple of Grannon’s insights that I hadn’t heard before and wrote down. If you can stand or skip the interviewer maybe take a look. But frankly not worth the stress. My two cents.
100% with you on this, the host was bigoted and intolerant, not to mention incorrect on several occasions which over shadowed some of his insights which otherwise would have been interesting. And don’t even get me started on the female orgasm…..if he has one, I feel very terribly sorry for his wife. My recommendation: read the Karma Sutra. Enough said.
Managing another person's mental state is so risky, even with a cup of tea. The Gadd character may have learned to appease and fix in childhood to feel safe and raise his self-esteem.
Toxic empathy i completely believe is happening as well as being taught at a alarming rate. That and toxic positivity. This was a lovely discussion. I had never heard that autistic people had high sex drives or that they can make things sexual very easily. That had me thinking that would explain our new purity test trend about everything is sexual. Being healthy is sexualized. Video game characters cant have breasts or its sexual. I hear accusations about things being sexual that just arent alot now and had been wondering wtf was going on.
Im so glad you said BPD is over diagnosed and CPTSD is prevalent especially for DV and SA victims which I think can explain a lot of Richard Gadd’s behaviour.
I agree with you. I was diagnosed with BPD in my teens and I was a victim of CSE. I hate the diagnosis and I also Dissociate under stress. I'm 45 now and I am sure that I will never have an intimate relationship. I don't think there has been a case of BPD in someone who hasn't experienced ACE.
This guy and Sam are so wounded that much of their posits and insights take the form of chrystals and shards. Some nuggets amongst digs, yet they enjoy the supply of status. If you really want to be cutting edge, maybe have a feminine form of that in the form of Teal Swan. I honestly think she is healthier and more relevant to mass healing. Love.
Sorry Richard but who is this guy?!😂 I have autism and I can confidently say that when I'm getting overwhelmed by the sensory environment, it's not because I'm thinking about sex. If anything, I would avoid those sorts of feelings because they are overwhelming in themselves. Oh no!😭🤣
Fine gents ! Yes please revisit some of these topics again when you fancy, especially BPD, NPD and CPTSD and how it shows up and morphs and what not. Also how Erotomania and social media technologies do feed such neurotic behaviors in us. Fascinating stuff with the evolutionary element added. I learned about Life history strategies! Never knew about that as such. Thanks Jolly Heretic and Richard G 🙏
Wow really good points, about half way through.. I really related to the guy character and found her absolutely insane, but I guess I am pretty mentally ill if I found him to be the victim. So interesting to hear other perspectives.. this series was dark but raised such interesting points about abuse.
Eerr do we ?? Who is this guy ? I gave him a chance . I might be just done here. I am not sure Richard should be entertaining this level of silliness. In fact they are both entertaining silliness here.
@@fionataylor4269 okay this confused me at first but I think the person's telling Ed to stop interrupting Richard, not for Richard to stop interrupting Ed.
2 things that occur to me. Older women being sexual with school boys will always get headlines because in reality, it's very very rare. I'm really not convinced that autistic people are highly sexed!....I have worked with thus community and see no signs of that.
I think there's a simple reason for him needing to listen to her messages , once he had got her out of his life he would be left with the horrifying feelings from the rape ext , she became a distration to his dispair... the adrenilin the anxiety she caused, he needed that to cover his wounds...
Half of the young gay men I've spoken to have admitted to me that they became gay because they had such a hard time with women, although I don't know how hard they tried. I didn't realize it was both genetics and environment, but it makes sense. Like most things it's a bit of nature and nurture. Although nurture might not be the right word 😂
Couldn't deal with the loud, erratic rambling, reminded me of Martha, but without the lovely accent. It's a bit disappointing because it was Richard's comment in a previous video about it being too triggering for him to watch, which made me install Netflix and actually watch the series, so was looking forward to his take on it. But no, my nervous system needs protection from this kind of verbal assault.
I think perhaps the elavated rates of autism is more than likely because we know more about the condition & diagnosis has increased. ( * I'm not referring to ADHD by itself) My own brother was only diagnosed with autism in his 40's despite obvious learning disabilities & speech delay which was labelled as Afasia ( communication difficulties) There was a birth trauma / oxygen deprived & jaundice but despite my Mother insisting that there was something noticeably wrong when he got to aged 3 she was told by the Drs that there was nothing to worry about & to just get on with it. One Dr did suspect he had Aspergers but not officially so. He attended a special school because he couldn't cope in a normal school environment. He still struggles to read & write & basic arithmetic but he does live independently now with family support.
I read a British study a while ago. During the war a number of American soilders abandoned a number of English women that were pregnant. A large number of baby boys grew up to be homosexual. They though that not getting oxytocin maybe a reason. My friends oldest son is gay. My friends huband wouldn't have sex with her when she was pregnant. Her husband blamed her for the son being gay. Thats why i looked up the article. If the woman is abandoned, it would make sense that the son would stay close to home and not create his own children. I told my friend to tell her husband .
I guess people aren't used to Ed Dutton. So of his info in incorrect/bad but he is well meaning in his own way and pretty autistic. He wasn't being intentionally rude to Richard its just the way he talks
Super Duper Jolly Good! I would like to know what Mister Jolly is drinking that makes him so spunky! I’ll take two of those gray unlabeled cans that Mister Jolly is having! Thanks!
I enjoyed that. Particularly Richard squirming sometimes at the forthrightness. On the baby reindeer show. I thought the interesting personality was him. What a very strange man. He certainly took no responsibility for anything and was desperate for any attention. Gadd
I did stick with this. Proff Ed Dutton does do stream of consciousness interrupting. Richard copes well with fast thinking and talking from him. A bit harsh on the autistics chaps. It's quite the fashion now I've noticed. Jews and autistic people are quilty of everything of late. Reminds me of someone from the late 1930s's and early 1940s. 🤔 I'm thinking of giving up on psychology that pretends not to shove people in boxes - but does exactly that.
Was that curtain shake for me Richard?! Read the poem now dammit! Hahaha. Oh my G.d this was actually very interesting and different than the past few ones. I didn't mine your guest being little attention getting... highly intelligent people are sometimes little eccentric. But he is also curious to know what Richard thinks. Thanks for this it was interesting about baby reindeer.. never heard of it.... like Garfield's Pooky Bear doll? Entertaining plus its good to see you having fun too. I kind of like this style. Letting us hear the discussions. liked.
Not quite sure what I was listening to towards the end there but I really appreciate the open conversation and first time I have heard it acknowledged how some people corrupt something innocent by imposing sexualisation on it, sometimes aggressively redefining and really perverting something non-sexual to deviant sexual terms that would also be criminal But I don't think it is exclusive to autistic people.
Ne pas oublier qu'entouré de fous, on devient fou soi même. Gad n'a jamais été malade mentalement mais vulnérable et a développé par empathie exacerbé un lien traumatique avec son agresseur. Rien à voir avec le fait d'aimer l'attention même si c'est le cas on ne peut pas dire qu'une victime a besoin ou aime être traqué. Jamais. C'est la même problématique que le Syndrome de Stockholm. Une dépendance affective mutuelle s'est créée mais ne pas confondre les tords et QUI est l'agresseur.
The teacher targeting teenage boys seems like it was about her safely* accessing male attention, over which she retained power & control. (* 'Safely' obviously not being concerned with the legal position of her actions). I wouldn't be surprised to find that her history includes being dominated & controlled by men who were the same age or older than her (i.e. father, partner). Therefore she targeted younger males who were quite literally under her control, as part of a teacher/pupil relationship. They would inherently be more naiive than her in terms of romantic relationships & even life in general, and would not yet have developed fully in terms of physical strength, either. Physically, emotionally, psychologically, sexually she remained interpersonally safer than she would otherwise have been, by having successive relationships with teenage boys - whilst retaining - & maybe even enhancing - the amount of male attention she recieved. That doesn't stop it from being selfish & narcissistic, obviously - she was still seeking 'vertical' relationships which would only have caused harm to her victims - but this is more plausible than some weird paraphilia for it's own sake. She was trying to keep herself safe; everybody who got hurt in the process was mere collateral damage which didn't even appear on her radar.
Also - where on earth did you find a conection with autism and highly sexual thinking? Have you ever met an autistic person? Have you ever considered that autistic people like dyslexic people didn't get noted in history because falling into certain quite bizzare modern behaviours or the need to read and be brain washed by literature didn't matter back then?
@@TheJollyHeretic please give me the names of these studies for my own research and I highly doubt it will say that all autistic people are hyper sexual
Okay, I found an article about this where it looked at all these studies and did their own: The current state of research on sexual experiences, sexual behaviors, sexual attitudes, or sexual knowledge of ASD individuals is rather mixed, with some studies finding differences from healthy controls (HCs) while others do not. Previous studies have: (i) included female and/or male patients in residential settings with presumably more impairments and less opportunities for sexual experiences; (ii) focused on persons with intellectual impairments or other comorbid developmental disabilities, thereby leading to confounding effects; (iii) used online surveys in which only higher-functioning individuals took part; (iv) relied on reports from family members and care-givers or from the patients themselves; and (v) assessed individuals with ASD in different age ranges. After having reviewed the literature, we aimed to investigate hypersexual behaviors as well as paraphilic fantasies and behaviors in a large sample of male and female ASD patients compared with HCs matched according to gender, age, and educational level To get direct information from individuals with ASD and to study a preferably homogeneous sample, we only included adult individuals with ASD without intellectual impairments. The rationale to include only individuals with high-functioning autism or Asperger syndrome was to reduce the potentially confounding effect of intellectual disability and thus be able to directly study the impact of ASD on sexuality. On the basis of selfreport, all patients were diagnosed by an experienced psychiatrist or psychologist (n=90, Asperger syndrome; n = 6, atypical autism); the mean age at which patients received their ASD diagnosis was 35.7 years (standard deviation [SD]=9.1 years; range=17 to 55 years). The ASD patient group (mean score [M]=26.7; SD=4.9) had significantly higher scores than HCs (M=6.4; SD=3.3) on the German version of the Autism Spectrum Quotient Short Form (AQ-SF; P
So wierd that autism is considered highly sexual? Have you ever met an autistic person that is highly sexual? Quite the opposite in my experience. Sadly.
Not unusual to refer to your partner as your teddy bear, especially if they have a cuddly sort of figure. I don't think it's necessarily objectification. Edited to say, nice to see some honesty on the topic of autism! All this toxic positivity, pretending it's a gift makes me ill!🤢
To think I followed you because you seemed to be so well versed in narcissistic disorders and then you allow one to ramble on his sexist discriminatory tirade on your own channel is beyond me
Je ne trouve pas que Martha ait un trouble borderline mais plutôt narcissique ? Etat limite et même psychotique ca c'est une certitude. Et très très très dangereuse il va s'en dire. En fait je pense qu'elle cumule plusieurs pathologies. Bon courage pour décrypter cette personnalité tordue et complexe.
Why is this dude speed talking? Calm down, have some dip. I love Richard and will watch all his content but I can't handle the super hyper anxiousness. Too much. Cheers to Richard and anyone else who can deal with it, I cannot.
Richard: It is interesting that the writer is getting positive feedback for "Baby Raindeer" when the person who wrote "She Said" got very little acknowledgment or coverage for the crime she endured. Is this a pattern where women are denied being heard, or are we thinking the woman brought the attacks onto themselves? Or is it that the way women "complain" cry victim and people want woman to be strong in all circumstances? Ot is it that the writer of "Baby Raindeer" showed both sides of the coin?
Ed Dutton was barely regulated for this (which is humorous, given the topic of conversation). The way he introduced his opinions and questions, and his interruptions did not feel respectful or professional, and his fidgeting and lack of attentiveness, as well as his gulping down his mystery drink, were all incredibly distracting from the topic. I hope you speak to this topic in another context, Richard. In the meantime I will be editing The Jolly Heretic out of the audio so I can listen to it through.
Ed's comments remind me of why I found university evolutionary psychology studies and courses so difficult to respect. So much of what he says here serves as a reminder of how often our already-existing prejudices inform what we study, how we study, and how we draw conclusions from the data we collect. Also: Correlation is not causation.
The sexuality conversation….problematic. Don’t get me wrong, evolutionary psychology is very useful in understanding culture, but it almost sounded like you were saying that being attracted to trans people is wrong, abnormal and that gay men who are more effeminate are like women who are totally chaotic and illogical?! It’s a little….outdated. Also homophobia is helpful because it drives men to contribute to the group?! Mmmmmmmmm I think not. Come on lads, do better. Just because something is a demonstrated phenomenon does not make it OKAY e.g. strange situation
Listening to this cringing about the conversations about trans-sexuals, homosexuals and how he keeps comparing them with ‘normal people’ and what’s ‘normal’. OMG stop. Awful prejudice statements! Can’t believe this video hadn’t been removed as inappropriate…..?!
Good for Richard for being able to withstand Ed’s frenetic mumbling and capture the gist. I couldn’t stay engaged because it revved my nervous system too much. And the interruptions were annoying. I kept waiting for Richard to speak so I could relax and listen. He knows how to pace for the listener’s benefit and is always spot on in his analysis. I’ve been wanting to watch the show and appreciated this.
Yes that man's talking is an anxiety trigger, too fast, all over the place, brilliant I guess? hard to keep up olol
Same here. The Liverpool guy was really annoying. I couldn’t stand to listen to him
Yeah, less than three minutes in, I’m gone outta here.
wow, I’m not the only one who felt this. In the first couple of minutes of introduction the guy was already seriously annoying and strident. gosh, and he is supposed to be some type of special media personality?
Looks Roland Rivron on the left.
Jesus, had this man drank twenty caffeine drinks…? He is utterly unwatchable and very, very stressful. You, Richard, are as engaging and fascinating as always.
Way to drive Richard Grannon followers into an epic anxiety ridden spiral 🌀
😂😂😂😂😂
I’m interested in Richard’s opinion on this topic, and can listen to him all day long. Unfortunately, Prof Dutton is too loud and amped up for my unregulated nervous system. Maybe I’ll try later.
Yeah, give it ago.
Love to see you amused & laughing Richard... So much deserved ❤
This was very interesting and absolutely HYSTERICAL 😭🤣👏🏼 oh my goodness. Very entertaining lolol
And I agree he is so adorable 😭😂❤️
Thank you Richard for saying you only talk about her character, not the real life Martha. Good for you!!
Dutton makes this Almost unlistenable. Bertie Wooster on speed
He calms down about half way through
Thank you.
Certainly a lot of generalisations about Autism.
@@emma-kateelliott6687 😂😂😂 right?!?? 🥴😂😂 his lack of filter makes me question if he isn’t on the spectrum..so I find his comments kinda funny actually 🥴😂😂🤷🏻♀️🤦♀️😂
@@emma-kateelliott6687 Thank you. The purpose of science is to generalise based on the available evidence.
“Autism is lack of empathy” 🤦♀️
What a horrible, and erroneous, oversimplification of autism.
Also, some autistics are asexual (don't care for sex).
I will try again. What an inaccurate and gross oversimplification of autism. Autists often have higher than average emotional empathy. Cognitive empathy/theory of mind, not so much.
Also, there are autists that are a-secksual.
I know. *head desk thump*. Can't believe there are not more comments to that statement.
@@madcatter972 there were more. Increasingly, my remarks often do not appear.
Autism isso very misunderstood!
I just so happen to adore Ed’s fervour and theatrical presentation style
Takes a min to adjust to his speed of language..he’s definitely a fast talker..but once you can keep up, he is a pretty interesting fellow ..I agree 🔥🖖
I do too!
I don't want him to change!
And I like we can contribute.
I love his style.
I disagree with some of the things he says.
But appreciate we can do that.
The Proff is quite obviously autistic 🤣
@@lindamcintosh9645 right??!? Few times I thought Richard was about to fly away..his blink rate became so high 🥴🔥😂😂😂🖖
Yeah I didn't perceive any yelling just his usual enthusiasm. Was hell confused by the comments.
I did notice him interrupt a few times though.
I wholeheartedly agree with your opinion of their situation Richard! "...Two people of matching pathologies have come together". This was very helpful thank you. Self responsibility rules ❤
Bless you for having Richard on your channel but for whatever reason you are yelling and I could not hang with it. I appreciate the enthusiasm but take it down a bit
Yeah I’m on my period and I can’t deal with the yelling also. I feel bad for saying this
I agree I'm trying to hang but I'm literally getting a headache 😫 lol bless their sweethearts❤
@@mariahconklin4150 Congratulations on your period, though! 🎉
Yes its very difficult to listen to
Im 59 i have no more periods, but i was scared to get one. From the yelling. Its bloody exhausted
Goodness Gracious... Holly-Jolly Cannolly 😅, Sir ! I love Richard's and your insights on the subject at hand, but I felt like listening to a horse racing commentary, at times.... Please, I beg of you, pace yourself... With all my heart ❤️...
Richard, would you consider doing a video essay or something similar about this topic? Not trying to be mean but this guy makes it unwatchable - interrupting too much, too hyped up, etc might be great for some but unwatchable to me as it makes it difficult for me to retain the relevant information
Richard trying not to laugh when the poem ends with ..."porker" lmao .. 😅
It’s always a pleasure to see you and Ed together, Richard. Definitely something I’d like to see more of. You complement each other wonderfully and it’s lovely to see the friendship develop on a personal and professional level.
“Hungry pig bottoms” 😭🤣🤣🤣 I can not! Lmfao!!!
And yet he censors critical comments on grounds of bullying. Dude needs to be checked for a wandering womb.
Richard totally lost it at that point!! You could see him Laughing his tits off!! 😂😂😂😂
@@magfan77 his laughing always just sends me over the edge because I’m already usually laughing too so it feels like watching a comedy skit when I see him trying to maintain his composure 🤣🤣🤣
@@nineteenfortyeight6762 oh does he?? I don’t think I’ve seen him before this speaking with Richard so I didn’t know. I just assumed he is just kind of silly and eccentric or something. Didn’t realize he got into people on his page I’ve never seen it before. That is odd
@@Person-jn8pf Yes He’s hilarious at times Richard. 👍
Great stream, thanks both!
Why are you yelling at Richard??
😂😂
Maybe he just needs a hearing aid 😢
I find it interesting that almost nobody speaks of the huge age difference. When they met, she was 48 and he was 25.
They touched on it briefly @ 50 mins in.
Yes, saw that. But nobody ever says the actual age difference. I worked it out myself. If she were a man, the dialogue would be very different. @franniejoynes2798
Big fan of Richard Grannon as one of several experts I listen to regularly with Sam Vaknin, Melanie Tonia Evans, Gabor Mate, Pete Walker, Behaviour Panel, Ashley Storm, the divorcing dad guy and a small group of cluster B experts & NA recovery.
First, this is worth a listen as Grannon gives some super insights when he’s allowed to talk.
Second, how many times can you count the interviewer slipping in “that most NPDs are women; most coverts/vulnerable narcs are women” and emphasizing examples of women NPDs (not sure they were full NPD without analysis but ok to fly that info off in a podcast). And deeemphaszing or ignoring examples of cluster B men - it was in your face partisan or showing his trauma in naked forum. Uncomfortable.
Third, interviewer is not only misogynist ☝️but decides to say that people with autism have no empathy 😳 and then goes on about homosexuals (through his homophobic studies) in such an offensive way he’s either BPD and/ or closeted. He’s clearly highly traumatized to put it gently.
Anyway, I could go on as it was the first horrible pod I’ve listened with Grannon (to no fault of Richard’s except going on the show). Interviewer also called Martha from Baby Reindeer a “porker” - what a shitty person.
And yet there were a couple of Grannon’s insights that I hadn’t heard before and wrote down. If you can stand or skip the interviewer maybe take a look. But frankly not worth the stress. My two cents.
100% with you on this, the host was bigoted and intolerant, not to mention incorrect on several occasions which over shadowed some of his insights which otherwise would have been interesting. And don’t even get me started on the female orgasm…..if he has one, I feel very terribly sorry for his wife. My recommendation: read the Karma Sutra. Enough said.
I like Richard but haven’t listened to a lot of his stuff so I’m glad you said this or I probably would’ve lost all respect for him.
Managing another person's mental state is so risky, even with a cup of tea. The Gadd character may have learned to appease and fix in childhood to feel safe and raise his self-esteem.
I felt sick after watching it. Physically ill. I've experienced stalking behavior.
Toxic empathy i completely believe is happening as well as being taught at a alarming rate. That and toxic positivity.
This was a lovely discussion. I had never heard that autistic people had high sex drives or that they can make things sexual very easily.
That had me thinking that would explain our new purity test trend about everything is sexual.
Being healthy is sexualized. Video game characters cant have breasts or its sexual. I hear accusations about things being sexual that just arent alot now and had been wondering wtf was going on.
Im so glad you said BPD is over diagnosed and CPTSD is prevalent especially for DV and SA victims which I think can explain a lot of Richard Gadd’s behaviour.
I agree with you. I was diagnosed with BPD in my teens and I was a victim of CSE. I hate the diagnosis and I also Dissociate under stress.
I'm 45 now and I am sure that I will never have an intimate relationship. I don't think there has been a case of BPD in someone who hasn't experienced ACE.
This guy and Sam are so wounded that much of their posits and insights take the form of chrystals and shards. Some nuggets amongst digs, yet they enjoy the supply of status. If you really want to be cutting edge, maybe have a feminine form of that in the form of Teal Swan. I honestly think she is healthier and more relevant to mass healing. Love.
Oh and this is my first time hearing the jolly heretic and i am really happy i have. Gonna binge his videos after this 😊
I really enjoyed this conversation ❤
Sorry Richard but who is this guy?!😂
I have autism and I can confidently say that when I'm getting overwhelmed by the sensory environment, it's not because I'm thinking about sex. If anything, I would avoid those sorts of feelings because they are overwhelming in themselves.
Oh no!😭🤣
What a Combo !!! Totally Educationally Entertaining ❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥
Thank you for very interesting conversation!
Fine gents ! Yes please revisit some of these topics again when you fancy, especially BPD, NPD and CPTSD and how it shows up and morphs and what not. Also how Erotomania and social media technologies do feed such neurotic behaviors in us. Fascinating stuff with the evolutionary element added. I learned about Life history strategies! Never knew about that as such. Thanks Jolly Heretic and Richard G 🙏
Baby reindeer was so good, glad to see grannons name next to this topic.. not past the intro yet but curious 👀
Wow really good points, about half way through.. I really related to the guy character and found her absolutely insane, but I guess I am pretty mentally ill if I found him to be the victim. So interesting to hear other perspectives.. this series was dark but raised such interesting points about abuse.
T.Y, i really enjoyed the live,,,👏👏👏🤣🤣👍🇮🇪
💕💕💕💕💕💕This!Safe Travels❤❤Can’t wait for ANOTHER ONE&ANOTHER ONE!!!!!!!🎉 ❤❤❤
Could you stop interrupting Richard? We actually want to hear what he has to say.
Eerr do we ?? Who is this guy ? I gave him a chance . I might be just done here. I am not sure Richard should be entertaining this level of silliness. In fact they are both entertaining silliness here.
@@fionataylor4269 okay this confused me at first but I think the person's telling Ed to stop interrupting Richard, not for Richard to stop interrupting Ed.
2 things that occur to me. Older women being sexual with school boys will always get headlines because in reality, it's very very rare. I'm really not convinced that autistic people are highly sexed!....I have worked with thus community and see no signs of that.
its so funny watching richard sweat profusely and go all red as ed drops the most unhinged blacklisting comment about hysterical thrashings
Please stop yelling Sir! My head is splitting. I’m out. Wanted to listen but could not.
Thats just Edward Dutton for you, im used to it on his channel, you forget he is doing it after a while.
Oooh my gaaawwddd ..help you both 🤣🤣🤣🔥💪
Thanks for your time and thoughts 😂😂❤️💪🔥☯️🖖🦋
Correction: she was not discovered by internet sleuths, she exposed herself and we would have no idea whom she is without her doing so… self admitted
Is that man alright? Clearly, he might consider abstaining from those "Energy Drinks". Well done Richard withstanding all that...
I think there's a simple reason for him needing to listen to her messages , once he had got her out of his life he would be left with the horrifying feelings from the rape ext , she became a distration to his dispair... the adrenilin the anxiety she caused, he needed that to cover his wounds...
Half of the young gay men I've spoken to have admitted to me that they became gay because they had such a hard time with women, although I don't know how hard they tried.
I didn't realize it was both genetics and environment, but it makes sense. Like most things it's a bit of nature and nurture. Although nurture might not be the right word 😂
They have issues with their mothers, but the mother is on a pedestal ofc.
Couldn't deal with the loud, erratic rambling, reminded me of Martha, but without the lovely accent. It's a bit disappointing because it was Richard's comment in a previous video about it being too triggering for him to watch, which made me install Netflix and actually watch the series, so was looking forward to his take on it. But no, my nervous system needs protection from this kind of verbal assault.
Liverpool accent is jarring, I agree.
"He pitied her' She misread that..RG was sharp & his wealth of wisdom around personality disorders v apparen.
Women also feign that vulnerability (subconsciously) to cater to male ego’s because it’s survival.
I think perhaps the elavated rates of autism is more than likely because we know more about the condition & diagnosis has increased. ( * I'm not referring to ADHD by itself)
My own brother was only diagnosed with autism in his 40's despite obvious learning disabilities & speech delay which was labelled as Afasia ( communication difficulties) There was a birth trauma / oxygen deprived & jaundice but despite my Mother insisting that there was something noticeably wrong when he got to aged 3 she was told by the Drs that there was nothing to worry about & to just get on with it. One Dr did suspect he had Aspergers but not officially so.
He attended a special school because he couldn't cope in a normal school environment. He still struggles to read & write & basic arithmetic but he does live independently now with family support.
There is more autism because women and poc are being included. Also the world has changed things arn't as formal and routine. We stand out more now.
I read a British study a while ago. During the war a number of American soilders abandoned a number of English women that were pregnant. A large number of baby boys grew up to be homosexual. They though that not getting oxytocin maybe a reason. My friends oldest son is gay. My friends huband wouldn't have sex with her when she was pregnant. Her husband blamed her for the son being gay. Thats why i looked up the article. If the woman is abandoned, it would make sense that the son would stay close to home and not create his own children. I told my friend to tell her husband .
Interesting. Not heard of this. Are you able to name the research/study?
Dude sounds like he's commentating on the final furlong of a horse race he's bet a kidney on. 😆
Totally wound up!! Hard to listen to....can't believe he's related to the lovely Richard!! 😂
Ooohhhh excited for Richard’s take on this movie. Been waiting for this one yeeeeey 🥰💪🔥😋
He pitied her, she couldn’t afford tea so he gave her a cup on the house from kindness which makes him mental?
Many autistics are misdiagnosed as borderline possibly because the person dx isn't that familiar with autism.
I guess people aren't used to Ed Dutton. So of his info in incorrect/bad but he is well meaning in his own way and pretty autistic. He wasn't being intentionally rude to Richard its just the way he talks
What show are u talking about??
What the…
Hello gentlemen, good to see you. Ed is a true gem!
"interlocking dysfunctions" - where the codependent becomes addicted to the abuse by the narcissist (borderline)
Super Duper Jolly Good! I would like to know what Mister Jolly is drinking that makes him so spunky! I’ll take two of those gray unlabeled cans that Mister Jolly is having! Thanks!
Why the yelling? Such a disappointing turnoff. Would have liked to have listened to Richard.
Is this a skit 😂😂😂😂 oh that made me laugh 🤭
A skit with the Alan Partridge of evolutionary psychology
I enjoyed that. Particularly Richard squirming sometimes at the forthrightness. On the baby reindeer show. I thought the interesting personality was him. What a very strange man. He certainly took no responsibility for anything and was desperate for any attention. Gadd
Lol I want some of what he’s taking 😂
I did stick with this.
Proff Ed Dutton does do stream of consciousness interrupting.
Richard copes well with fast thinking and talking from him.
A bit harsh on the autistics chaps.
It's quite the fashion now I've noticed.
Jews and autistic people are quilty of everything of late.
Reminds me of someone from the late 1930s's and early 1940s.
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I'm thinking of giving up on psychology that pretends not to shove people in boxes - but does exactly that.
Was that curtain shake for me Richard?! Read the poem now dammit! Hahaha. Oh my G.d this was actually very interesting and different than the past few ones. I didn't mine your guest being little attention getting... highly intelligent people are sometimes little eccentric. But he is also curious to know what Richard thinks. Thanks for this it was interesting about baby reindeer.. never heard of it.... like Garfield's Pooky Bear doll? Entertaining plus its good to see you having fun too. I kind of like this style. Letting us hear the discussions. liked.
This was based on a real story?
Not quite sure what I was listening to towards the end there but I really appreciate the open conversation and first time I have heard it acknowledged how some people corrupt something innocent by imposing sexualisation on it, sometimes aggressively redefining and really perverting something non-sexual to deviant sexual terms that would also be criminal But I don't think it is exclusive to autistic people.
Richard Grannon has no poker face!
Quite the chatterbox The Jolly Heretic 🤭
Trust me guys, you never go full-Martha!! 🤚😂
I can see the resemblance…clearly you are related 😋😂😂
No
"Normality"....? What is that??
Ne pas oublier qu'entouré de fous, on devient fou soi même. Gad n'a jamais été malade mentalement mais vulnérable et a développé par empathie exacerbé un lien traumatique avec son agresseur. Rien à voir avec le fait d'aimer l'attention même si c'est le cas on ne peut pas dire qu'une victime a besoin ou aime être traqué. Jamais. C'est la même problématique que le Syndrome de Stockholm. Une dépendance affective mutuelle s'est créée mais ne pas confondre les tords et QUI est l'agresseur.
The teacher targeting teenage boys seems like it was about her safely* accessing male attention, over which she retained power & control.
(* 'Safely' obviously not being concerned with the legal position of her actions).
I wouldn't be surprised to find that her history includes being dominated & controlled by men who were the same age or older than her (i.e. father, partner).
Therefore she targeted younger males who were quite literally under her control, as part of a teacher/pupil relationship.
They would inherently be more naiive than her in terms of romantic relationships & even life in general, and would not yet have developed fully in terms of physical strength, either.
Physically, emotionally, psychologically, sexually she remained interpersonally safer than she would otherwise have been, by having successive relationships with teenage boys - whilst retaining - & maybe even enhancing - the amount of male attention she recieved.
That doesn't stop it from being selfish & narcissistic, obviously - she was still seeking 'vertical' relationships which would only have caused harm to her victims - but this is more plausible than some weird paraphilia for it's own sake.
She was trying to keep herself safe; everybody who got hurt in the process was mere collateral damage which didn't even appear on her radar.
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Nope! Can't listen to this guy, say to much noise!
Histrionic personality 😂
This guy doesn't half waffle some nonsense 😂
Also - where on earth did you find a conection with autism and highly sexual thinking?
Have you ever met an autistic person?
Have you ever considered that autistic people like dyslexic people didn't get noted in history because falling into certain quite bizzare modern behaviours or the need to read and be brain washed by literature didn't matter back then?
Apparently Ed is autistic, so cLeArLy hE kNoWs EvErYtHiNg AbOuT iT
In the academic studies on the matter.
@@TheJollyHeretic please give me the names of these studies for my own research and I highly doubt it will say that all autistic people are hyper sexual
Okay, I found an article about this where it looked at all these studies and did their own:
The current state of research on sexual experiences, sexual behaviors, sexual attitudes, or sexual knowledge of ASD individuals is rather mixed, with some studies finding differences from healthy controls (HCs) while others do not.
Previous studies have: (i) included female and/or male patients in residential settings with presumably more impairments and less opportunities for sexual experiences; (ii) focused on persons with intellectual impairments or other comorbid developmental disabilities, thereby leading to confounding effects; (iii) used online surveys in which only higher-functioning individuals took part; (iv) relied on reports from family members and care-givers or from the patients themselves; and (v) assessed individuals with ASD in different age ranges.
After having reviewed the literature, we aimed to investigate hypersexual behaviors as well as paraphilic fantasies and behaviors in a large sample of male and female ASD patients compared with HCs matched according to gender, age, and educational level
To get direct information from individuals with ASD and to study a preferably homogeneous sample, we only included adult individuals with ASD without intellectual impairments. The rationale to include only individuals with high-functioning autism or Asperger syndrome was to reduce the potentially confounding effect of intellectual disability and thus be able to directly study the impact of ASD on sexuality. On the basis of selfreport, all patients were diagnosed by an experienced psychiatrist or psychologist (n=90, Asperger syndrome; n = 6, atypical autism); the mean age at which patients received their ASD diagnosis was 35.7 years (standard deviation [SD]=9.1 years; range=17 to 55 years). The ASD patient group (mean score [M]=26.7; SD=4.9) had significantly higher scores than HCs (M=6.4; SD=3.3) on the German version of the Autism Spectrum Quotient Short Form (AQ-SF; P
So wierd that autism is considered highly sexual?
Have you ever met an autistic person that is highly sexual?
Quite the opposite in my experience.
Sadly.
Twich is horrible. It s psychopathic to offer us that 2 c
Sorry, my ears can no longer handle the high pitch of that yelling.
Why can't people talk in a pleasant-to-the-ear tone?
🚩 RG 🎭 👶🏼 🐸 🫰 🎭 RG 🚩
So, the younger Osmonds must be really gay 😀😀. You probably have to be over 50 to know this reference....
Not unusual to refer to your partner as your teddy bear, especially if they have a cuddly sort of figure. I don't think it's necessarily objectification.
Edited to say, nice to see some honesty on the topic of autism! All this toxic positivity, pretending it's a gift makes me ill!🤢
To think I followed you because you seemed to be so well versed in narcissistic disorders and then you allow one to ramble on his sexist discriminatory tirade on your own channel is beyond me
Je ne trouve pas que Martha ait un trouble borderline mais plutôt narcissique ? Etat limite et même psychotique ca c'est une certitude. Et très très très dangereuse il va s'en dire. En fait je pense qu'elle cumule plusieurs pathologies. Bon courage pour décrypter cette personnalité tordue et complexe.
Why is this dude speed talking? Calm down, have some dip. I love Richard and will watch all his content but I can't handle the super hyper anxiousness. Too much. Cheers to Richard and anyone else who can deal with it, I cannot.
Richard: It is interesting that the writer is getting positive feedback for "Baby Raindeer" when the person who wrote "She Said" got very little acknowledgment or coverage for the crime she endured. Is this a pattern where women are denied being heard, or are we thinking the woman brought the attacks onto themselves? Or is it that the way women "complain" cry victim and people want woman to be strong in all circumstances? Ot is it that the writer of "Baby Raindeer" showed both sides of the coin?
Wow the transphobia, homophobia and sexism, gross 🤮
I know right. Evolutionary psychologists are so cringe. Why is Richard talking to him?
Ed Dutton was barely regulated for this (which is humorous, given the topic of conversation). The way he introduced his opinions and questions, and his interruptions did not feel respectful or professional, and his fidgeting and lack of attentiveness, as well as his gulping down his mystery drink, were all incredibly distracting from the topic. I hope you speak to this topic in another context, Richard. In the meantime I will be editing The Jolly Heretic out of the audio so I can listen to it through.
Ed's comments remind me of why I found university evolutionary psychology studies and courses so difficult to respect. So much of what he says here serves as a reminder of how often our already-existing prejudices inform what we study, how we study, and how we draw conclusions from the data we collect. Also: Correlation is not causation.
@@eliczm It often is though.
Being woke has zero to do with actually fancying m2f transgenders sorry Ed
Good discussion tho
I'm baffled at the overt, derogatory hissing, at the trans community..?!
Steroid addict community.
I think this is quite common in society now
Ew, he lost me at the talk about not understanding why one would like trans women. Jesus Christ.
The sexuality conversation….problematic. Don’t get me wrong, evolutionary psychology is very useful in understanding culture, but it almost sounded like you were saying that being attracted to trans people is wrong, abnormal and that gay men who are more effeminate are like women who are totally chaotic and illogical?! It’s a little….outdated. Also homophobia is helpful because it drives men to contribute to the group?! Mmmmmmmmm I think not. Come on lads, do better. Just because something is a demonstrated phenomenon does not make it OKAY e.g. strange situation
It didn't say it was okay. I said it was, or was perhaps, the case.
Unlistenable. My ears, head hurts.
Listening to this cringing about the conversations about trans-sexuals, homosexuals and how he keeps comparing them with ‘normal people’ and what’s ‘normal’. OMG stop. Awful prejudice statements! Can’t believe this video hadn’t been removed as inappropriate…..?!
This was so cringe I had to skip through. Richard please don’t talk to Evo psych dudes again.
Yes, would have much preferred to listen to Richard alone. He’s wonderful.