Is the Shelly 1 better than the Sonoff Basic?
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- Опубліковано 21 сер 2018
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I just wanted to say that I really enjoyed your video. I'm a complete noob when it comes to electronics and I found your presenting style informative, entertaining, engaging and enjoyable. Thanks!
This was clearly made with EU light switch boxes in mind and I love it! Thanks for the video Rob!
thanks to you and your knwoledge I bought the shelly 1! Working like a charm already. I had to make the montage in the ceiling due to the absence of a neutral wire.
thank you for reviewing these side by side. this is content i want to see on youtube. subscribed
The isolated relay and 16A rating makes it perfect for switching baseboard heaters without a wall mounted thermostat connected to it, as long as you power the Shelly 1 from another source.
Had to pull the trigger and bought one! Thanks for the great video... Like all of your videos!
Excellent, informative video, as always Rob, thanks for the insights.
Excellent guide. I have been following ur channel for a while now and the content is fabulous. Please keep building and share the knowledge.
Great, thanks for reviewing this, it’s exactly what I’m looking for, smart switch that can also work,stand alone, for rental property. Advanced tenants can benefit from all functionality, technology averse ones use it stand alone. And being able to decide whether cloud is used or not is just great.
If you are the landlord then you're probably the best landlord haha thoughtful
Excellent review process. Detailed, fair and unbiased. Kudos
Great video, I like that it is 16a, and so small that it fits so nicely into a box, some competition for sonoff. My wife plugged a 1500w electric grill to a sonoff basic extention cord, drawing approx 12.5a. It smoked the relay and melted the case.
Good on you for addressing some of the isolation and safety related concerns. It's interesting that the Shelly product is actually safer than the Sonoff _because_ it has no isolation. It forces your (or more specifically, your electrician) to take precautions.
Awesome video, and really professional review. I especially liked the fact that you contributed to the open source ecosystem with the fixed you had to learn the hard way, thumbs up! You earned a subscriber.
UA-cam suggested me this video, I guess because I was watching Sonoff videos in the past. Really informative channel, subscribed. Also this gadget is very cool, I'm considering upgrading my switches in the future :)
Amazing informative video. Thank you for your time in producing this great video. Can't wait to get my hands on it Shelly 1 and play. 😁
Excellent video, thanks for all your work with the tasmota files. Stay awesome!
I can see this working really well in the UK at the light pendant end instead of the switch end where you have access to neutral/live and switched live connections - I’ve ordered one based on this video ... thanks 👍
Thanks for a really thorough comparison.
I got a bunch of the Shelly 2.5 after watching. Tasmotized them immediately. What a pleasure to work with these things, after my years of making the equivalent myself by combining a power supply, Wemos D1, and a relay board - real challenge to squeeze them into a switch box.
Great video! Thanks for introducing this new smart home device.
Nice! Great that competition is growing.
Well done. Superb video. This is an excellent offering and I imagine will surge the number of smart home DIYs out there. Add new home builders, custom home builders as well as general contractors to that list. Certainly, the Shelly 1appears to be an ideal OEM offering to every dumb switch manufacturer on the planet. A volume discount for the existing homeowner would be nice to see!
Thanks, it covers a lot, that was so helpful.
Very good review. For me this little blue thing is clearly a winner. Thank you!
Really nice video an great comparison to sonoff
Thanks so much for this great video!
Amazing; it's about time this product came out. I have sonoff basics without the casings in my switchboxs and it's very sketchy. These are well worth the extra money
Awesome video and channel. Great reviews man, best of luck to you! Subbed
Good review about Tasmodo. What about the product itself? I'm sure I'm not the only one who uses sonoff as is without flashing.
thx for the detailed review !
Very interesting
Your colordescription of the various wires ofcourse is regional
Looks like your video was a little more effective then they expected. They are sold out everywhere. Hope they get them back in stock as i want dozen or so.
I LOVE the Shelly 1. I have them in my home and I do have Sonoffs also. But the Shelly1 from size and out of the box options are GREAT... My only beef with Shelly1 (v3 is what I own) has very week reception once inside a metal switch box. had to move my modem closer to center of home. But works great.
Excellent video!
Cool breakdown. Thank you.
I like the shelly and your presentation skills...kudos to you!! Love from India
Great video! Just bought 7 :')
I am Bulgarian and i like doing some IOT projects. I was very surprised that a Bulgarian Company did that product :). Great video i'll try the Shelly 1 looks nice
Super helpful. I'm going to check out the Shelly 1 for sure. FYI, if you flip a breaker and the switch no longer turns on the light, it DOES NOT mean that there isn't a hot wire in the box. As mentioned in the video, if you don't understand electrical wiring, don't attempt installation yourself.
Yep, good point.
*sigh!*
Another product added to my tinker list. :(
Thanks for the excellent review, Rob!!
Awesome video! I can think of a few applications for this....
One question: did I understand correctlymthat you can't pull the gpio0 pin to ground? If so, how do you put it into flash mode?
Love the videos! Have you ever considered one on room presence detection? Or do you not use it?
I feel with a decent presence detection a lot of automations open up.
Very good!! This is a true information!!
Nice work rob!
great info thanks
Need a video on how to use these with a 3 way switch!
Lucky to have you, their web info is not that clear. Thanks!
Hi and thanks for all your great video! I decided to start automating my home because of your videos! I'm not sure which device to choose. How does the relay clicking noise compare between the Shelly and the Sonoff?
Recieved a pair of Shelly1 a week ago,. Flashing was performed as usual with a Sonoff Basic, and the Tasmota firmware fixed everything. No setting of GPIO neccesary!
Love this, and continue to love your stuff. That said, are there any open source options for higher voltage stuff like washers, dryers, and dishwashers?
For those I think you just need to scale up the same solution with a bigger external relay - using either the Shelly or Sonoff - connect through a Functional Devices RIB relay (Relay In a Box). Many different configurations available 110V/220V dual phase switching (SPDT/DPDT), up to 30A and even up to 600V. Almost all of them can be configured with a 120V AC coil to control the relay. I have automated 220V Pool 20A Pumps with these using Lutron switches for control - works great.
Hi folks
Due to the high interest of Shelly1, we are currently out -of- stock. The next production batch will be ready on September 12, and orders will be shipped on a first-come-first-serve basis.
Amazon: There is 150 pcs witch are on the way to Amazon warehouse. Part of them will arrive today. Rest will arrive at August 29/30.
Shelly2 - we have 2k+ on stock.
Thanks for good review The Hook Up.
Short update - all pre-ordered Shelly1 from our website will be shipped at Sept 15-18 . For those who want to order from Amazon US they will be aviable at Sept 20-22. Currently we make third batch witch will be aviable end of September. Anyway our shipping time are 5-7 days all over the world, you can pre-order it from us to make sure you will not be waiting again.
Thank you for taking the time to make this video and share it with all of us. Do you know if there is a solution for folks that have 3-way switches in the wall and do not have neutral wires in the box? I am of course subscribed with notifications turned on and thumbs up!
I like the idea of dry contacts that the Shelly has but I also like low voltage switching of sonoff
Thank you.
hmm havnt heard of this one yet, thx for being in my feed ;)
Thanks for this, I ordered a 4-pack right away. I was looking for ways to safely use a Sonoff in a switch box and just couldn't live with the issues that potentially creates. The Amazon links are no longer Prime, however and the price has also gone up a bit. It was actually cheaper to order directly from the manufacturer, international shipping included.
I've been told they will be back in stock tomorrow
just got my 8 sonoff basics in to put behind wall switches :) will see where they don't fit there this would be a good alternative!
It shows you have done a lot of research off camera , which amazes me thx for sharing this. I use a sonoff POW which has CE certification 16A capability and power measurement for a great price.
Where do you get this idea of sonoff CE certifcation? It only has certification for the radio part, not overall electrical safety.
Nick Rout The CE marking is on the unit and the box it came in. Are they allowed to do that if it only partly complies to the standard ?
what standard do they say it conforms to? The certificate on the web page only refers to RED 2014/53/EU. What do the ones on the box cover?
Nick Rout there are no details on the box or leaflet it came with. It just says CE - Rohs - FC
@@ddjazz yes so look at the certificate on the web page.
Hey Ron , great review and device oh the possibilities . Though in Australia in looking at $24.00 AUD each. bit of an extreme price at the moment but I’m sure it will be cheaper once on eBay soon enough. So I thought I would check out the sonoff wall switch t1 . Can have delivered for $13.00 AUD. So will buy one of both to check out. Thanks for the great info. Really enjoying all of your video, heads up to drzzs as well for introducing your channel.....
Hello, we just open Amazon.au store and in 2 weeks they will be prime available.
@@dimitardimitrov849 Hi Dimitar. I just wanted to see if you had, or are looking at, the Australian C Tick certification? Which I think would be: AS/NZS 4417.1
The reason I ask, is they are technically not legal here without it, so if they were found after a fire, etc. Insurance would not pay out anything. So just want to be sure before purchasing!
@@amanimmortal SAA certification cost's a bit and takes time, most small producers won't get the certification due to cost, I don't think the Sonoff T1 has genuine certification, ebay sellers are saying it has but not producing the certification numbers correctly, Sonoff Basic is not certified.
Damn, the Australia tax is real.... $34.99 + delivery for two from Amazon AU :\
Good job - covered a lot of pros/cons
Excellent video! (Minor comment: At ~12:30 in the video you say that the 16A rating allows the circuit breaker to trip before the Shelly reaches it's rated *voltage* - certainly talking about *rated current*. (I miss-speak much more often than that ;-)) ). Thanks again!
In Tennessee a switch box uses one piece of #12 AWG and uses the white (neutral) wire to go back to light fixture as Hot instead of neutral. In my case I'll have to install in the light fixture box in order to power the Shelly.
I thought I was a big geek, but I don't hold a candle to you. Nicely done.
I'm choosing between SmartLife noname devices and eWelink (sonoff) for
my home automation. Which one is the better and why? In future i'am planning to
use that devices in Openhab+mqtt environment (without chineese cloud).
gREAT VIDEO, THANX FOR YOUR TIME. i´D LIKE TO KNOW IF THERE´S ANY WAY THAT I CAN REMOVE OR JUST TURN OFF THE GREEN LIGHT ON THE SONOFF BASIC. THANK U SO MUCH
LOVE this product idea, and your videos! QUESTION: as used for home automation in the United States, would you recommend waiting to install until after a UL certification has been issued for liability concerns? Thank you!
It isn't a deal breaker for me personally, but every person needs to make that decision for themselves.
Looks nice... My only problem is just the fact, that we don't have neutral in the switches. But this looks so small that it could fit the electrical wiring box so I'll probably give it a try :)
Did you look at the traces on the PCB of the Shelly? do the traces look like they'll take 15 amps? it doesn't matter what the relay is rated for if the traces are going to blow off.
A great video. As they are smaller than the Sonoff basic will probably use them on my wall switches.
Have you checked out the ShellyRGBW, I would love your opinion on it and if possible a video.
Shelly's products are my personal favorites
I feel like this is the perfect device for people like me who get nervous of the thought of leaving their sonoff basics inside a switch box.
Yep, I agree
i don't think this is any safer than a sonoff behind a light switch. if you wire up the sonoff to the light switch in the same way you wire up the shelly 1, i don't see any reason or evidence why one would be safer than the other. Although if using the sonoff basic i think the terminals are a little crappy.
Looking to do the same, anyone know what US standard or certification needed to do this? UL Listed? Are these certified?
They are working on a UL cert, for now they just have CE and RoHS as is required for europe.
@@TheHookUp although mine says RoHS 'COMPILANT'.....not 'COMPLIANT'... ;-)
For us, Europeans, it would also mean quicker shipping since they are based in Bulgaria? Will see. I am not saying Shelly is a bad product, far from it, but at the moment I am sticking with Sonoff. But definitely will monitor the situation.
Is the Shell UL listed for installation into a power box? The NEC code requires UL listing and if not your fire insurance may not cover your damages. Has Shelly determined the fill and size of the box for installation? I am an electrician and electrical engineer.
the shelly 1 seems to be build for european style junction boxes.
due its round shape.
" European Standard Light Switch Cassette"
Stumbled on your Shelly video. Awesome video and well produced. Thanks for this content. I'm a complete newbie to this with some general diy skills. Shelly looks to be the solution I'm looking for to control my garage and front door exterior lights. Do you think I can use the Shelly without the firmware swap?
Absolutely, it works quite well with the stock firmware if that’s what you prefer
what's the advantage of flashing the tasmota firmware over the stock on the shelly 1, i just picked up 2 and starting to play with them
I love it
I notice in almost 100% of the example Arduino code shown in videos uses the loop function. I understand from a quick and dirty demo standpoint. My question is...I have a project that constantly polls for an input. It is going to run 24/7/365. Does this constand polling over heat the processor? Would it be better to setup this up on an interrupt? I am not concerned with power, just with overheating or wearing out the processor. Thank you for your videos and sharing your knowlege.
Given that this has a relay input and output, is there a way to use this as a device that could detect open/closed dry contacts? Combined with the 24VDC power ability there are many applications to integrate other equipment. I am looking for a 24VDC powered dry contact sensor to connect to my Leviton ceiling occupancy sensors. Thanks.
Perfect, thank you.
(And shelly 2 with tasmota as a roller shutter would be great :-)
It's hard for me to do because roller shutters are not common here in the states.
Great review.
Does the unit work with IFTTT?
I am pretty relaxed about using web services...
Thanks
No ifttt integration out of the box, no.
Great video, I do have a dumb question for you, if I install a Shelly to my wall switch, am I able to have the light switch off and be able to turn it on via wifi?
Yes!
I wanted a smart ceiling fan but in UK I've not had much luck. I was thinking could I get a Shelly to use purely on the fan side of the light? Since it's small it will fit easily. I already have the light control with a WiFi bulb. Thanks
Greetings from Bulgaria!
Oh I think this is what I have been looking for. I have my fireplace hooked up to a standard wall switch but it is low voltage. I have been looking for something I can hook up inside the box (Because I have two switches in the this box. One is low voltage and they other is running lights above the fire place. Since I have low and high in the same box would this work for controlling the Fireplace off and on? If so do you by chance have a video on how to do this?
I have a question about using the switch sensor. If you use the switch to turn the light on and off and then while the switch is in off position you use the app to engage the relay what happens when you put the switch in the on position while it is already on? Does it turn off the light or do nothing? To turn off the light from the switch do you have to put the switch into the on position then off again? How does app control and physical switch coexist, what is their behavior? Thank you
Hello Robert! I have a Shelly 1, not flashed with Tasmoto yet but I am contemplating the following project: I need to install a fresh air fan into a vent in our basement. For this I want to use a 12V fan like a high quality PC fan 120mm or 140mm size. The fan should be able to be controlled via home assistant to turn on/off and adjust speed in some steps (4-6 steps perhaps). To adjust speed I was thinking of using a transistor controlled swith to cut the 12v to adjust the speed. MQTT or Rest could be used. I was hoping to not have to buy an external transistor switch but use the internal in Shelly 1. Do you think that could be done? Your views and ideas yould be very much apprechiated. Thansk for great videos!
may be it will a good wifi switch in the future in (Aliexpress), in my country amazon is not available
They sell from eBay and their own website too, check those.
Hey Rob,
First up I enjoy your work and thank you for it.
Second , if the Shelly 1 is turn off via MQTT how will the local wall switch work ? Does it need to be switched off and then on to turn on the light attached or will it switch with just one toggle or the switch ? (? 3 way switch config? )
Thanks on advance for any input .
You can use both the local switch and MQTT, there is no requirement for switch position when operating the shelly via MQTT.
@@TheHookUp
Thanks Prof.
Do tell your friends at ALLTERCO that your review was effective and that I am buying several of their products because of the work you did for them.
Thanks again.
Please do more Shelly videos!!
Thanks for the review. I may go back to my original plan of using cheap wifi based devices for my smart switches.
I just need to figure out how to do multi-way switches (without relying on the home automation system to relay signals).
Both tasmota and the shelly app have scheduling built in if that's what you mean.
@@TheHookUp Autocorrect got me. I meant to say multi-way, not multi-day.
I want a solution for all the two-way and three-way switches in my house that doesn't rely on the switches communicating with each other through some external system. If that system (eg home assistant) goes down, the switches should still work. This is important to me partly because I don't plan to stay in this house the rest of my life, and I don't want to have to replace all of the switches if/when I sell the place.
I have the same issue. All my switches at home or almost all of them are at least two-ways or even three-ways so I need a solution that works in this setup (and to obtain waf it has to work even when no system is running)
First of all: tank You so much for your work! I am from Italy, and I am just beginning to learn about domotic and home automation because I will soon have to renovate my house. Here in Italy there is an always increasing demand of DIY or alternative domotic solutions.... for example there usually is difficulty in buying some types of Sonoff switches... So if You are in contact with the Producers of Shelly, please let them know that could be a huge demand in this Country (even for similar solutions for blinds and/or external window shades)! I also agree with You about trying not to depend too much on the "clouds" and various "external" apps: this is why I am also practicing with Home Assistant (Hass.io) and its integrations. Really nice work!!!!
Are you able to order though their website? shelly.cloud/
I will try, thank You, but having it available on Amazon.it (since I saw that You have provided Amazon.us' links) would really be great! Also, at a first glance, I could not see any product for automating the type of blinds/shades we use here in Italy (for example: integration with physical switches, interlocking, status updating, etc....): it would be great if they could provide such a product: it will literally bust the market (right now many use the Sonoff 4Ch pro, but it has no status update on Home Assistant and it is very difficult to flash other firmwares - ex Tasmota - into the newer versions). Again, thank You for your impressive knowledge and work!!!!
Axios hello, in next 2-weeks the devices will be available in Amazon.it
Anyway we are Bulgarian based company and shipping time from us to any EU country, including Italy are 3-5 working days.
Very nice! I love and hate it at the same time... Love that's it's small, safe, and RoHs compliant, but hate that you can't use the GPIO pins for things like push buttons and sensors (I usually add IR sensor next to light). So if the only thing we can use is the rocker switches, how do we deal with the problem of switching off a light via home assistant and then being confused by the On state of the physical rocker switch? Would it be safe to use 220v 3A pushbutton switches with Shelly 1?
Does the 220V 3A pushbutton have a proper ground connection?
Nope, just looks like a + and - on the button: www.ebay.com/itm/16mm-Starter-Switch-Boat-Horn-Momentary-Push-Button-Stainless-Steel-Metal/151508432443?epid=1360769516&hash=item23469b363b:g:oHMAAOSwel5bfxsF
Is it possible to use a pushbutton instead of the switch and can sensors be installed to the connector? For example a ds18x20, do we have 3.3V output or is this an input only for flashing it?
Chris Go. You have 2 options:
1. Easy but should be make very carefully.
Revert N and L, then you will have GND on the PINS instead Line. You can power it from 3.3V and GND. But if you make it wrong the sensor will be well backed :)
2. Use small transformer and few components around. Then you can power it just from 3.3V witch are much safety.
@@dimitardimitrov849 if you reverse L and N, you will blow you unit up when you connect whatever you are going to control L andN are there for a reason. This is why electricians are licensed.
Great review!
Hi, I have both shelly1 and shell2. I flashed your bin into shelly1 but it does not create a network to connect to. Any hints? Is your .bin also suitable for shelly2 ? Great video on the shelly/tasmota devices :)
So I solved that using serial commands. I also flashed the Shelly2 and seems to be working fine. :)
Thank you for you videos.
However, I have question: As Shelly and Sonoff are cheap, why someone will go with the more expensive equipment such as Fibaro, AeoTec, Qubino? Even these products are cheap compared to KNX equipment. So how these companies make profits?
So, is there advantages by using KNX over Fibaro, AeoTec. And by using Fibaro, AeoTec over Sonoff, Shelly?
Awesome writeup. Just bought two. Quick question. you mention changing INPUT_PULLUP to INPUT in the son off into file. I can see in master these lines appear in support_button.ino and support_switch.ino. Did you change both of these or is there somewhere else it should be changed?
There is a shelly module in the official tasmota release now, no need to use my version anymore. Enjoy!
Fantastic. Can't wait for those bad boys to turn up. Even if I was looking to get my coding hands dirty ;) Thanks so much for the super quick reply@@TheHookUp
thanks for the video! its still confusing on how to hook it up if the ac line voltage blows up the gpio ports, like how do you hook it up with the low voltage output for a garage door and use a door sensor to let you know when the door is up or down like docz did?
The relay is isolated, so you can just hook one side of your "garage door open" wire to the O input, and the other side to the I input, then power it with the L and N terminals. The GPIO header should only be used for flashing new firmware.
One thing that was not covers in your video is "mains" power supplied light in relation to the position of the to the analog switch and the Shelly. I.E. Does my analog switch have to be 'on' for the Shelly to recited power and operate the switch?. or if my analog switch is 'off' does the Shelly supply power to the light?
Note your amazon link for Shelly says they are not available "Maybe just out of stock"??. Just FYI
The shelly will be able to control your lights regardless of the switch position. You get a couple of different options in the firmware for how you want your switch to behave.
They are totally out of stock everywhere right now, should be back in stock everywhere on October 15th.