Sig Sauer P365 vs Smith & Wesson Shield 2.0 - If I Could Only Have One....
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As a armed professional that carries both on the job and in my personal life. The Smith & Wesson Shield is the epitome of what others are trying to achieve. Thus far I think the Sig 365 is about as close as anyone has come to the shield. My agency has the shield on the approved list and that's what I carry. The Sig 365 has been tested by my agency and is not currently on the approved list. Not to be long-winded but I agree with your assessment of these two platforms. I to give the nod to the Smith & Wesson Shield because I trust my life with it and the life of my clients with it.
I agree! Thank you and cheers!
So now that's been almost a year since your comment is the 365 on the approved list yet?
Its November of 2019. Sig 365 is still NOT approved agencies. I am told.😂
Spring rides on the mag and eventually breaks with the sig. Reliability before capacity or better sights
Sig 365XL FTW. It is the Goldilocks.
Hmm you give the M&P the price point, but then change the sights and trigger. Killing that price advantage. The P365 smaller/lighter and higher capacity. My vote is the P365 . Great video thanks
Thank you very much Dave! Yes, the Shield does have the aftermarket stuff on it. Those were from previous vids but the stock Shield is still awesome. Either way, both guns are great. Chheers!
But you have to factor sending the sig back to get fixed and the shipping
I address that in the video
@dig duck not so much in this case from reviews though....365 shoots extremely well by most accounts
@@chtomlin *dig duck* has a point which agrees with physics. The SIG P365 slide & handle design may make it a little easier
to shoot compared with other *sub-compacts.* But a heavier &/or larger gun is easier to "extremely" easier shoot due to
the laws of physics.
Note: Unless there is SIG magic involved *Chuck T.* ; )
The P365 totally destroyed my "carry rotation". I don't carry anything else now. It is perfect.
Your reviews are so interesting, helpful, honest and you do them to your best ability, they are not something you just throw out there. Again I thank you and you have become one of my favorite reviewers ...
Thank you very much Ray! That means a ton brother! I love all guns and try not to be biased when possible. Cheers!
Sold the 365. The grip is just too small. It’s like holding the box toothpaste comes in under a gun. It made me shoot my other handguns poorly because of the adjustment made for gripping it. M&P for sure, and it shoots softer for that second or third follow up round.
So you have Soft hands and can’t handle 9mm recoil, it’s obvious you don’t own a shotgun.
@@stiftarcory4364 -- You are over-thinking Robert's comment. The small grip doesn't allow you to get a good purchase with both hands on the gun like you could with a larger grip. The 365 is snappier to shoot because of that.
These days there's the Shield Plus...
@@stiftarcory4364 L comment Lmao… 😂
Love my Shield! Add to that a lifetime warranty and a better customer service experience and you've got a winner!
I used to to have Sigs and carried one everyday for almost nine years. I switched to Smith & Wesson and love the Smith & Wesson Shield.
I agree with your pick.
The Smith and Wesson will save your life better than cigs...
Sig hit it out of the park with the P365 features and design. Maximum capacity and minimal size. The trigger breaks at a nice point, not too far back like many other pistols. The only issue a lot of people seem to have is that it may be too small for a lot of people to hold comfortably, which is why those people usually go with the 12 round mag. My hand fits perfectly with the 10 round mag with the extended pinky grip so I'm in love with it. The $250 price tag on the 1.0 shield definitely has me interested in getting one as a backup/beater gun though. I'm sure you can't go wrong with the P365 or the Shield, just pick what fits best for you.
Well said! It’s great that we have so many options. Thank you and cheers!
When I first saw this video I agreed wholeheartedly in my appreciation for the Shield. I've had a P365 for about a year. Gradually I've come to the realization that the 365 and my future XL will probably replace every other gun I own in 9mm. They are just that good. I sold a Shield 9 recently still have another one but maybe not forever. The 365 is very good and you can't deny the capacity advantage it has. Love you videos they make the viewer think about what was covered more than others.
Thank for the review. I went to a gun show and held...The Sig 365, Glock 26, 43, PPQ and M&P Shield 2.0. I must say the shield felt extremely good in my hand. I ended up getting the Shield with the Red CTL built in and must say after some range time Im extremely happy with my choice. The 365 is great in hand but not as good to me in my hand compared to the Shield. Great video
Thank you very much! That's a great assortment of guns you got to handle. I agree that the Shield feels good in the hand and it's a shooter too! Cheers!
Totally agree on the Shield. The 365 would be a great choice, but ergonomics of Shield not only make it more comfortable to shoot but leads to much easier follow-ups. Thanks for the honest opinion and great video.
I definitely miss these . " IF I COULD ONLY HAVE ONE VIDEOS " . But I'm sure it was expensive and time consuming . Over 60,000 Subscribers . Congratulations. You deserve it .
For people complaining about you checking to make sure it’s not loaded should not have guns. That’s gun safety 101. I check my guns always even though I know for a fact I put it in the safe unloaded
@Grey Man which would make you the dude who has a negligent discharge
Before last year, I'd never felt compelled to own a weapon until a stranger decided to come into my home unannounced while I was there. Thankfully nothing bad happened after the confrontation. But afterward, I sat down to UA-cam and started researching hand guns. I decided on one, went and purchased it, asked a friend of mine who had some property so he could teach me how to shoot. Went to the property with 3 other people and took turns shooting a 3" metal flapper from 50'. Nobody there ever fired/owned the gun I bought. Not knowing how proficient they were, after seeing them shoot. I thought, these guys' guns are out of whack. It seemed they couldn't shoot straight. It was my turn. I shot about 50 rounds. To everyone's amazement, I hit the bullseye every time. I'd never fired a handgun before. They didn't believe me. Then they shot my gun with about the same results. I shot theirs, they were all much heavier, bigger grip, etc. I had a more difficult time and couldn't hit the target as well. I am 5'7" and they were about the same. Our hands were all about the same. All I know is, the gun fit my hand well. It was comfortable, it did what I wanted. It shot straight and I could hit what I aimed at. Since then I've put about a 1000 rounds through it. Never a misfire or a jamb. I clean it every 200 rounds or so. I buy whatever FMJ copper that's on sale and never steel at the recommendation of the sales guy where I bought it. The gun, S&W Shield 9mm... not the 2.0. It still shoots like it was brand new and just as well with the same results and couldn't be happier with it. Then again, what do I know?
Both guns are great. I've shot both. Own the p265 and many more. Important thing is you own a gun at all and are ready to protect yourself and family.
Good for you for being proactive & arming yourself. We need more good people like you armed and able to protect yourself & others.
Your choice is understandable from a training perspective. I've run 300 rounds through my P365 and I plan on taking a few classes with it to get used to the differences between it and the thicker double stack subcompacts that I am used to. It is fairly snappy but very accurate. After 1,000 plus rounds and a couple of classes, I should feel very confident with it. I hope so because I've already mentally committed.
Thank you very much! The 365 is a great gun for sure. Keep me posted on how it runs long term. I love hearing updates from everybody. Cheers!
I love my Shield, it's been a champ since I picked it up new for $350 never had any issues, I've run +p in it fine, I've run it fine without cleaning it. I've rented the P365 twice, the first time it broke the recoil spring on firing the third magazine, the second time I had light primer strikes and failures to feed with winchester white box. It's a shame I want to like the P365, I think the design is going to be great if they can just work out the bugs, but for right now I think the shield is the winner wait for the next generation on the P365 when the issues are sorted.
Right on! Thank you and cheers!
I have a late ‘18 model P365 and NRA P365, with both well over 500 rounds and no issues. They feel so right I had to buy it twice. Haha. P.s I got a 9mm Shield too but the NRA P365 is my 1 ccw pistol.
Only a matter of time before they make some type of a Shield 3.0 that has a staggered double stack magazine (like the Hellcat/365) and is the same size
I'm in the market for my first carry piece but I just can't get behind the P365 100%. I may just go with a bodyguard for now and hope for that 3.0!!
They basically did come out with a double stack Shield. The M&P 2.0 Subcompact. It's thicker and slightly longer, but you get twelve rounds for carry and the 17 round full size mags will fit in it for the range. (Also comes with a slip on grip extender for the 15 and 17 round mags) I love mine. They can be hard to find right now, but worth every penny if you can.
@@JV-tk9yn I wouldn't get a bodyguard. Go shield or m2.0 compact.
Running Bear same here man hopefully they make something soon! I could see them releasing it this Holiday season
Running Bear so true lol. Sounds just like my Shield I added night sights and the apex trigger/spring kit
I love my Shield. Try some Talon grips and it takes it to a new level. I put some Trijicon HD night sights on mine and an Apex spring kit modification and I feel that I have the ultimate carry piece.
Great video! Loved the comparison between those two awesome carry guns. I have owned 2 of the original Smith & Wesson Shields (1.0 model) and was pretty impressed with the weapon. However, in your video you make note that you've added a trigger package from Apex, and also changed out the sights. If this had been a straight up stock comparison, hands down the P365 wins. I have my P365 as my EDC, and haven't ever had any malfunctions. I did replace my Springfield XD-S 9mm 4" with the P365. Love the gun, doubt I'll ever change the P365 out for anything else. For me, it's the perfect carry gun.
Thank you very much! Very true that the Shield has some enhancements and out of the box, the 365 offers quite a bit. I still opt for the Shield, but just barely. I agree about the experience and haven’t had function issues with my 365 either. I think that hype is dying down (which is a good thing). Cheers Nate!
I love these "versus" video, they are so informative, and withstood time very well.
I have not experienced the M&P, but I love my Sig 365!! .. totally awesome gun.
It was between the Shield 2.0 and the P365 for me. I spent about an hour at the range with each and it really was a toss up - both shot phenomenally. Ultimately I liked the sights and the grip on the P365 enough to buy it, even though I've been a S&W man my whole life. Thank you for your review!
This was literally me 2 months ago as I was buying my first pistol but I grew up like smith and wesson i have their knives and the s&w m&p 15 but the sig was just too good
Thanks for doing this comparison. I had winnowed it down to these two for my next purchase. Between you and the Honest Outlaw, I have decided: if I can run across a deal for the M&P Shield 2.0 around 350 or 400 I will choose it and just replace the sights and buy extra mags. But since I have never had a small carry gun, I will have to adjust to whatever I choose anyway. The size adjustment for the P365 will be the only knock against it, and I will have to get used to anything regardless. Therefore, the best choice for me out of the box is the Sig.
I have resisted the idea of buying the Sig, partly because I already have the P320 in 9mm and 5" barrel. I don't want to be a fan-boy of any name brand. I'm really just looking for the best within my price range. A CZ Shadow 2 is not in my range and it's too big. I have big, and I can't use them for concealed carry. I think even a 4" barrel will be uncomfortable. I haven't seen CZ competing on the sub compact field, and they would probably be too expensive again anyway.
Nope. The P365 has won me, short of a lucky find with the Shield 2.0.
Love my Shield 2.0 ,and her big brother, the Compact 2.0!
Smith is really taking off the gloves this time around, excellent videos. 👍
Well said! I do agree with that 100%. Thank you and cheers!
kmsharley75 that's the combo i rock 2.0c and 2.0 shield in rotation for carry.
I too use the Shield to back up my 2.0 Compact. At work I carry the M&P40 so I carry a Shield 40 on my vest. Great little guns. I’m sure the SIGs are great, but I’m not going to invest in new holsters, mags and sights at this point.
I have the 365XL on reserve, but am strongly considering switching to the M&P. It's about $150 cheaper and I don't think the difference is that great. Its an EDC not a range toy.
I like seeing the safety checks for empty firearms before handling. I'm always reminding myself to be safe when I handle mine. It's also good to show to people who are fairly new to handling firearms. Complacency is dangerous. For those who get "triggered" seeing safety checks in videos, just close your eyes when its done and you'll be fine (maybe).
First and Foremost, I am older than you so you must do as I say! Please continue Safety checking at the beginning of your video's. It's not for me or any other knowledgeable firearms owner, but for those younger and perhaps new to the shooting world it's good training! I can suck it up. I always safety check and lock the slide or open the cylinder before handing my firearm to another, ALWAY'S it's the proper thing to do! Tough choice I can see why the Shield would be your choice! I'm on the opposite side, smaller hands and body frame so the P 365 wins for me. And yes for me more is better! I kept thinking the Shield ran out of ammo before you really got in to it at the range shoot. Really Good and Honest Review, Thank You for your time and effort here.
I agree about the safety checking and will continue to do it. I totally understand where you are coming from with the small hands and the 365 may make sense for you. Thank you very much for watching and cheers!
Love the Shield! Added a Hogue slip on grip, Apex trigger, extended mag release, HYVE mag extension, custom back plate, Olight PL Mini 2 light and night sights. Fun gun to personalize and after 500+ rounds, not 1 misfire after modifications. Love Sig too, both great guns, but can't personalize the Sig like I did with the Shield.
I did the hogue grip, and mag extension for my shield I've carried it for 5 years, and I usually fire a 100 rounds a month, and haven't had any issues. This gun is a rugged little champ.
How did you put on a Olight with no rail on the shield?
@@drewblack7142 the 2.0 version has a pic rail.
@@KamikazKid Ty
yeah sig has that proprietary rail i dont like so much. i want to get a custom grip module for my p365xl . i dont need the mag extensions 12 is enough for me and its crazy concealable. also thinking about the sig romeozero rds.
Love the review, I went with the Sig. I’ve got small hands, so it couldn’t be any better in my book.
Quit apologizing to the trolls and fan boys who won’t listen to logic. Ignore them and they go away.
Very helpful. Im shopping and these two were my finalists. Thank you for a great comparison and unbiased viewpoint.
Thanks for making the Video. Great elaboration, and breaking it down. MAC (Military Arms Channel) opened my eyes on the Sig P365. With all the problems Sig is having with it right now, there is no way in hell I"m spending $600, and then, have to send it in for repairs after 800 rounds. The Primer Drag & Broken Firing Pins shit needs to be addressed by Sig BEFORE they send another one out the door. I'll wait until next year on the P365 so they can solve the problems. For now though, I'll run and get the S&W M&P Shield 2.0 for $349.99 {maybe even cheaper), and the extension for 10+1 carry. Hell, who knows. I may not even be interested in the P365 when they do get their shit together.
Thank you very much! I agree, the issues seem overwhelming. Hopefully Sig can get things back on track. Cheers!
The Sig was hard to find when it came out because of demand and shortage of guns, today you can get the improved P365. improved because they fixed anything that was wrong with the initial release version. The Sig has a great trigger, and fantastic magazine design. The Sig was the clear winner, price isn't everything.
After you replace the sights and trigger on the shield, it's actually more expensive and you have to do both for it to be in the ballpark. P365 is better quality, smaller, and just a better design. I carry a P365 and I love it. Good job Sig.
sales #s are a good metric, and give the edge to the Shield, per free market objectivity. ill run MP shield over everything else. way more reliable and durable
@@tomsmith2215 I am a Smith wood and steel guy, but never tried their autoloaders. Purchased a .380 Shield EZ for a new female shooter as a gift. I had a hard time letting it go to the intended recipient. I love my P226 but I am a fan of M&P Shield 9mm, plus it fits my lengthy hands better than Sig compacts. Shield is just as ergonomic as a Walther CCP M2 which fits like a glove with Talon grip tape.
@@Altekameraden79 I ended going w a p365 but I do like shields. If they did right side safety I'd have got the +
@@tomsmith2215 higher sales for cheaper guns
@@carbonfibercrypto2919 I like shields ended up getting a p365 tho
In the end I ended up with the Tac Pack 365, three 12 round mags etc. Also this version comes with the ambi thumb safety, which I dont mind at all. Nice thing about the safety is that you can operate the gun as far as racking the slide and loading one in the chamber, which in turn is useful for taking it out of the chamber. If you have a 1911 the safety is in a great place and your thumb easily sweeps over it, great placement. The engagement is audible and very tactile. Sights and ergos and trigger range from great to fantastic.
THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN MISSING ON MY EDC. TACTICAL CHAINSAW!!!
You can never have too many! Thank you and cheers!
I've had and carried a Shield (1.0) since it was introduced going on a decade soon. It shoots like it's bigger siblings. Price was awesome for what it's offered me. No problems mechanically or cosmetically.
I would go smith for a few reasons. Price, sig recalls, and made in 🇺🇸
I agree! Thank you and cheers!
Sig made in USA too
Sig is better ...facts
@@bonnypalmztv5845
Nope... that's your opinion.
Just came from the range with my new p365. 150 flawless FMJ rounds and 20 flawless rounds of HST. I still prefer the ergos and shootability of my. 45 shield with 185gr rounds but the p365 is a real game changer. Won't really understand the size until u hold it... It's small. Can't deny the size/capacity ratio. Vedder light tuck on thee way.
Congrats on the new score Paul! That’s awesome brother. Glad it running for you! I am hearing more and more reports of the 365s running well so I think the issues early adopters were having has been worked out. I agree about the size vs capacity thing too. Truly may be a game changer. Thank you and cheers!
What rounds do you use in your shield 45 for carry?
@@chrisd933 if it's still any indention, I carry 165 grain HST in mine
Lani Wade thanks, I bet that’s a good round for it, lately I’ve been carrying a Glock 19
Lani Wade 😂 I actually like federal too I have hst I think 115 grain in the 19, you like heavier grains and do you like the hydra shock better then the hst?
This topic could go on for years. The most important thing is that which everyone u choose it has to serve its purpose. That is comfort grip, trigger, sights, rounds etc. Make sure its comfortable and u can shoot actuate, thats the point. It DON'T matter which brand u carry.
Very good point! Thank you and cheers!
I’m commenting while watching the video. My grandpa hit a target 75 yards away with my P365. SIG has the perfect angle on the grip.
All I own are S&W’s but dam does that P365 look and sound appealing 🤤🤤
I bought the XL version and have to say man the grip and ergonomics are fantastic. I love it so much I stop carrying my VP9SK and the Sheild for it
@@alexalvarado2693 Hey I just recently bought one How do you like it so far and if you don’t mind how much was it
The p365 is the best pocket gun but the shield fits the hands a lot better. So I use my p365 as a pocket gun and my shield as a hip gun. I say buy both.
I’m the same. S&W through and through for my whole life. M&P 9 gen 1 is my favorite firearm I own. My primary carry is a 636 J Frame. I’ve been putting off a small semi auto 9 for carry for years. I went back and forth between the M&P shield, Kimber Micro 9, Hellcat, and Sig P365. I held the hellcat and ruled it out instantly as I didn’t like it’s ergonomics. A friend has the Kimber Micro 9 and I loved how it felt, fit, looked, and carried. The only knock was it has 7+1. It came down to the shield and P365. I went P365 as it felt just as good in my hand as the shield but has more ammo capacity, and is a tad more versatile due to its slightly smaller size. I carry the 12 round mag when I carry it OWB and I carry the 10 round flush plat mag IWB or pocket carry. The shield is too big for me to pocket carry, slightly too large for me to feel comfortable IWB carry.
A really good, unbiased review on these two popular guns.
I've been carrying the original shield for five years now. Love that gun, no upgrades except the hogue grip and never had one single malfunction. Shield for the win for me.
That’s the video I was looking for!! I have owned the Shield for about 5 years and I love it. I just ordered he 365 and I can’t wait to start shooting it.
How are you liking shooting them both? I'm deciding now.
Curry In A Hurry Automotive Mobile Mechanic in my opinion the 365 shoots better and feels a little bit better on my hand. I have small hands, it has less recoil
Just bought a shield 2.0 performance to replace my original shield. 😁 strongly considered the Sig. But it’s too small, I agree with the reviewer. It feels like your have to readjust and can’t get a good hold on it quick. Shield fits my hand like a glove. I personally think the shield is a better looking gun too especially with the ports. There are plenty of mag extensions out there too. So capacity’s not that big of a deal.
Elias I agree sig is too small for my hands. I also have the performance 2.0 9mm and love it.
After watching you shoot both, I noticed that the shield had a better recoil than the 365. The 365 seemed to recoil back and wavered side to side a bit. But the shield was straight back mostly. So you seemed to shoot it more confidently with a repeatedly quicker next shot.
I think this is to do with the shorter grip mostly. But the shorter barrel does make the issue worse.
I saw the xl 365 does better with the longer barrel. But the short grip is both its best and worse feature in my opinion.
The grip on the 365 looks like it would be great for me with my small hands. But I think I'd have the same result and would find the shield to be better to shoot.
Thank you for the video. As always your comparison was very well done and I really appreciate hearing your opinion. 😎👍
Just got a 365 with manual safety, love the crisp feel, reminds me of a 1911, nice!
oddly, SIg does not even list the thumb safety model variants on it's website...
One of my favorite gun channels subbed.
Thank you very much! Cheers!
I had carried the Shield and M&P 9c original for years depending on my attire. The other day I just edited them to the safe. I loved them, but the 365 is smaller than the Shield and holds 10 rounds. I have the 12 round magazine which is a hair bigger than the 7 rounds in the Shield and a hair smaller than the 8 round Shield magazine. One gun covers all my needs now. As fair as reliability I have over 700 flawless rounds with all types of ammo. I have the version after the fix.
That's awesome! Glad to hear more and more success stories with the 365 running well. I agree, the size vs capacity is fantastic. Thank you and cheers!
I just bought my first ccw gun a couple weeks ago and I was looking at these 2 plus a couple others . I ended up with the sig 365 tacpac , came with a case , holster and 3 10+1 mags, I also bought 3 15rd mags when I picked up the gun. The sig was more comfortable to me then the others. Found it to be accurate at 30ft and out of the box work flawlessly. Now other family members want one but can’t find one . It was nice when pick up the gun from the store they keep ammo just for gun purchasers so you will have ammunition when you buy your gun .
I purchased that same setup back in December! I tested the trigger and it breaks at 4.6 pounds which is amazing for an OEM trigger. It's now my pocket gun and im glad I purchased the one with the external safety. I love the gun but I still prefer my upgraded shield as a hip gun. I have big hands so I can't shoot the p365 with speed like I can with the shield. It's still a great gun and I think it's the best one for a female. If I had a wife or daughter the p365 is the one I would buy for them. It's basically all you need for Concealed Carry but it's not my top choice because of my hand size. Even with the hogue grip it doesn't feel as good as the shield in my hands. Im red/green color blind so the sights on the p365 doesn't work very well for me.
Everyone has different hand sizes and eye's so there really is no perfect gun. Personally I think everyone should own both pistols because they're both awesome. Now I have the perfect pocket gun and the perfect hip gun for Concealed Carry 😁👍. It's good to have more than one small Carry pistol because it's what you're going to carry the most.
For absolute dependability, Shield! Although the 365 has some great features.
Thanks for the comparison and the comments. You've helped me make up my mind
on the purchase. Provided I can find one I'm going w/the sig. really enjoyed it
That's awesome Ken! Thank you and cheers!
Very good comparison. My thoughts after this:
1. If you could only have one, the P365 is thinner, smaller, which means the most comfortable and smallest practical and still be 9MM, which opens up your wardrobe.
2. If you could only have one, which is usually the case, the P365 is stainless, which means no rust, even after the finish gets scratched and being handled without wiping down the slide with oil.
3. If you could only have one, the P365 magazine can hold 10 rounds with no size or weight sacrifice, and magazine swaps increase your risk.
4. If you could only have one, the P365's barrel is center line is closer to hand thereby reducing muzzle jump.
5. If you could only have one, the P365 comes with sights that work at night, and thus could also be used for home defense as-is.
6. If you could only have one, the extra $150 for the P365 doesn't matter, and unless you are a gunsmith, if you replace the sights on the Shield, it already costs as much as a P365, without all of the other benefits.
7. From looking at the video it appears the P365 has more clearance for stuff to get into it from the top of the gun than the Shield 2.0.
8. If you conceal and carry other handguns, and are used to having your thumb in the area occupied by the slide on the P365, then you want the Shield 2.0.
*Both guns can be ordered with safety features that are compliant for their state.
Specs for Shield 2.0:
- 20.21 oz.
- Length 6.1", height 4.4", width 1.03"
- Barrel length 3.1"
- Magazine capacity 7
Specs for P365
- 17.8 oz. (However, when loaded with the 3 additional rounds...)
- Length 5.8", height 4.3", width 1.00"
- Barrel length 3.1"
- Magazine capacity 10
I have both old versions of each and I was struggling with what I would carry even after range sessions, But your video lead me to the road to nowhere "Ringo Star" no , I will carry the P365, but not ashamed to carry the S&W when need be. Thanks for your eval.
Can’t go wrong with the Smith & Wesson Shield. You’re getting an extremely reliable firearm that’s approved by most LE agencies PLUS the occasional factory rebates! My daily is a gen 1 M&P shield 9 however I recently picked up a 2.0 plus for $324.99 after rebate! A far cry from a base Sig 365 @ $499.
That 365 is tiny nice sights. I saw your comparison with 43. I thank I'd go with the 365. Just for situations when I can't carry my G19. Good video well done.
Thank you very much Uncle Dan! The 365 has been a real pleasure so far. Cheers!
KSGunGuy 👍
Agreed! I have 800 rds through my sig. Zero problems. The gun is a beast. Its my 24/7 "365" 😂
James Perry yeah it's a great option. I subbed you.
The sights on the sig are one of my favorite features on this gun.
Excellent review. So many great choices out there now, all but a few are excellent guns.
So many people leave comments how they know the perfect handgun for self defensive carrying. They really only know what they like for themselves because not every gun is the best choice for everyone. I would say that reliability is the most important thing, next, hand size is the biggest factor for determining witch gun to get, what fits a persons hand best. Round count is another factor but carry an extra magazine, something everyone should do incase of mag failures, and the round count becomes less important although still real important in a gun fight. Make sure your choice is small and light enough so you will always have it on you, next, get one that you can hit stuff at close range without aiming, you just point it and shoot, and hit your close target because that is a real gunfight, first hit wins, second place, you're dead. Tactics, not fast draw will get you shooting first, never quick draw into a gunfight, always see what is about to happen and be holding your gun when it does, awareness and tactics not quickness gets your shots on target first, first = winning.
You won't have the time or ability to aim with those new night sights, it's a close up, point and shoot game your going to be in, so get a gun you can point and hit, then practice that.
If you shoot or dry fire at least twice a week, you can switch gun choices otherwise, stick to just one gun choice. I shoot a lot and go 50/50 between Glock 26 and Glock 43 depends on what I'm waring or the mood I'm in. I am like the G26 best with the +2 base plate, extra 2 rounds is nice but mostly I like that base plate because it's way easier to draw.
Good luck with your tactics whatever you do.
Great thoughts! Thank you for sharing and cheers!
Best reviews...truly they are and so articulate and polite. Thank you
Thank you very much Ramin! Cheers!
@@KSGunGuy01 Thank you buddy, I really meant it. I see lots of these reviews and yours are the best and I don't have to worry about my little kids hear your words unlike other reviews when they use so much profanities and bad words. take care man!
I like a clean channel. Means my family can watch it as well! Thanks again!
I got the shield9 2.0 and like the “full” size feeling of the pistol. Wish it had better capacity but I carry spare mag. I havnt got a chance to shoot the p365 yet. Got to grip it in the gun shop and gotta say it feels great in the hand!
New shooter only 6 months into this. But for Christmas I asked for another gun. Husband and I went black Friday shopping
After comparing signs 365, walther pps and sheild 2.0. I chose the sheild. No raking problem for this girl. Love everything about the sheild. Even got integrated laser with for 370 dollars.
That’s awesome and a great price as well! Thank you and cheers!
Loved the comparison . My wife owns Shield 9mm Performance Center and I have the Shield .45 Performance Center, and yesterday I just purchased I used P320 Compact. I work at a Sporting Goods box store where I sell guns and ammo along with shooting competition so I get s chance to trigger rounds down range the 365 is one I still havnt held let alone shoot. So keep up the thorough videos, excellent job.
Thank you very much! Shields are great guns for sure. The Shield 45 is a great shooter, especially for its size. Hopefully you’ll get a chance to shoot the 365 soon! Cheers!
Absolutely agree about having steel sights! Mandatory in my opinion as well brother. Great video. 👍🏽
Absolutely Joshua! Thank you and cheers!
I love .45 acp and even though I had a shield in .45 acp I switched to the p365. The grip is much better for my hand is the main reason plus the shield is so easy to conceal. 1000 rounds through it and no problems.
I have both, the Shield (1.0) and a P365 and have to agree with you. If I had to pick one it would be the Shield. I have been shooting the Sig trying to get used to it but shoot the Shield much better. SOooo, until I get comfortable with the Sig my Shield is my go to carry gun.I did have a Apex trigger installed, not the full kit but it is AWESOME. That said, the trigger on the Sig ia almost as good out of the box.
I have neither pistol. But, Inappreciate the objective appraisal. Makes me think. I do have the Sig 938. Happy with it.
Thanks for the video man, i am in the market for small 9mm for sumertime carry and have been watching all your comparisons on them (walther pps,glock 43, sig p365, etc. but i am leaning towards the shield 2.0). I hope i wont regret it.
Happy to do it! I think you will really like the Shield. It's still my primary carry and I don't see that changing any time soon. Thank you and cheers!
I have the Shield 2.0 Performance Center.....Absolutely
Love it
It's there anything different about it other than the ported slide and sights?
Thanks for an excellent review. I own a 9mm 2.0 Shield -- love it. As they say, the grass is always greener, so I would like to try a 365, but my skepticism is in regards to mass/weight and recoil. Before buying the Shield, I carried an LCP-II 380 ACP, and the small size and recoil just killed my trigger hand. The Shield solved that problem, and I don't want to regress. Shooting the 365 should tell the tale for me.
I have them both! I like them both. Having said that, I agree with you 100% I had two of the Shields when the Sig came out and was on the cover of every Handgun Magazine. I had to have one! I have told my shooting buddies that if I could only have one it would be the Shield and today I saw your well written review. Nice job.
I agree with your judgement. I've relied daily on a Shield 9 and i shoot both of mine often. I've upgraded sights, triggers and magazines on both and feel confident in my abilities and the guns. I did recently purchase a 365 and so far it is flawless other than magazine changes which because of it's size are difficult for me. If the 365 proves itself it will earn a place at my secondary position. I don't know rhat it will ever be primary but maybe. We will see.
I like what you're saying but adding the price factor in I go with the shield it has proved Flawless to me I'm scared to buy the Sig I've heard too many terrible things about it but I heard they've been proved it but considering the price of both I think you'd do better to Shield but I'm also an H&K man and that's what I truly love brother
I have both the Shield MP 2.0 9mm and the Sig P365 XL and I love both of them. Great review and video. Good shooting and great reviews!!!
Fast forward to December 2020. Now go find some 9mm ammo.
You can find some, it just takes a while to look around and more expensive. If you had some rounds in reserve before hand, more power to you.
@@jlinka79 Where?
@@McBeakerson Now that's a trip! I can't find any 9mm. But I can get .357 and .38 defensive rounds of which I have plenty! As well as 00 buckshot.
Is it still hard to get ammo? I’m debating a 365 and glock 19/43/42. Hard to find new guns here in retail stores.
It's in safe top shelf on the left there's about 2000 of target ammo left😜
One thing I didn’t hear you mention and would have liked to hear is what are my future problems more than likely going to be and what to look for as in signs of future failure. I would go with the 365 But great video man! You done a kick ass job! 🤘
Thank you very much! It’s tough to know the future issues with the 365 yet, though they seem to be doing much better in newer releases than the 1st editions. Cheers Devin!
>> KSGG
That’s awesome Bama! All three are good guns for sure. Glad to have so many choices! Thank you and cheers!
I read most of the comments below. I agree with all the positive comments. The P365 is about the same size as the Taurus PT111/G2c. One thing I can NOT get past is the high malfunction rate of the Sig. (go to UA-cam, enter Sig P365 problems) Like Taurus, sig uses a round wire in the recoil spring and there is video of the Sig failing to go into battery. I have all M&P's and have never had a malfunction, plus my slides are an odized stainless steel.
On UA-cam, you can enter any manufacturer name and follow it up with "problems". You'll find that there are issues to one degree or another with every gun out there. The P365 is much smaller than the G2C, all things considered. Also, what does odized mean? Smith and Wesson has an Armornite finish. Thanks!
@@KSGunGuy01 Thank you for the correction. I meant anodized and you are correct it's called Armonite and it's on stainless steel. Fault with M*P's is the gap of feed lips of the magazine and not the fault of the actual pistol parts.
I agree about the magazines.
I Have an MP shield 9mm off duty as per my Dept. The shield is great but never felt 100% in my hand when I grab it, however my wife’s MP shield 45 does. Maybe because it’s a little thicker and a 2.0 model with better grip surface . Just bought and shot my new P365 today. Never has a gun felt this good in my hand! Grip acquisition is immediate with zero adjustment. The trigger is smooth and with 100 rounds fired right out of the box not one malfunction. Recoil feels less than the shield. Really, this pistol is perfect. Holding 11 or 13 rounds you can’t beat the conceal-ability. Two gun store owners I met both carry the P365 and one has 2, the second as his back up. I Have a G19 as my service and as the owner stated to me the 365 shoots like a G19, in other words feels like a “big” gun. I agree. This could be my future EDC or a back up second gun to my MP 45 and perhaps my Beretta Pico 380 as a third emergency weapon. Which, by the way shoots like a little Ferrari. Get the P365 you won’t be sorry. The MP shield 9mm is good but the P365 is next level. I purchased 2 extra 12 round mags. A word of advice: GET SPEED LOADERS. These mags are very hard to load to full capacity.
PS: out of the box for the first 50 rounds I experienced 3 dead triggers with the shield. Very scary like a cops bad dream where you’re pointing and trying to shoot pulling the trigger but the gun doesn’t fire...surreal actually. I was like WTF did I do swapping out my G26 for this nightmare. Our Dept range swapped out the recoil spring for me. No “dead” triggers after that. But I don’t think that was the problem. The S&W users manual states you need to “clean” the weapon first. New to me, I’m old school. The job would make you shoot your new gun out of the box with several 100 rounds even in the rain or snow repeatedly before you ever clean it. FYI for new Shield owners. Don’t freak out.
Same. Just bought my p365 last week. Awesome cc gun. Be careful out there. Thank u for your service sir. Im an ex cop myself. I resigned in 2013 right before all the madness against cop movements started. Take care man.
I've got a PICO as an occasional backup. When it was on sale and had a rebate, I picked up a second one.
I’ve had both. I was so excited waiting for the Sig P365. I got it the first day it hit the store. Couldn’t wait to shoot it. Took it to the range and fired it. 100 rounds, and decided that I hated it. The way it felt in my hand, the trigger, and I was not at all accurate with it. I sold it for more than I paid, and got the Shield 2.0. So much better, in every way. I don’t know why anyone would want to change the trigger. In my opinion it’s perfect. That gun fits my hand great, it’s accurate as heck. I’ve never had a Glock 43, but I’m not a big Glock fan. I’ve had so many different ones, and sold all but a Gen 3 Glock 19. With that said, I’ve since acquired a S&W M&P 9 2.0 , and 2 M&P 9C 2.0s. For me, the S&W line is the best striker fired polymer handguns available. Not to knock Glock, I think they’re ok, but not the gold standard that many would have you believe. As far as the Sig... you can keep it. I did not like it at all. I also had a Sig P320, which I also hated. I liked the metal trigger, but nothing else. The high bore axis and front heavy feel. I guess I’m not a Sig guy. The best thing I’ve found about Sigs - they sell quickly, and you can make a few extra bucks too!
Let me introduce you to my PPQ better in every conceivable way to the shield.
Finally shot my P365 and Shield 9mm (Non M2.0). Put 150 rounds through the P365 and I am impressed. It performed 100% reliable. Trigger is excellent, but hard to beat the Apex trigger in my Shield. I was more accurate with first shots with my Shield, but due to being more familiar with it since I have carried it for many years now.
The P365 was easy to get used to though and it is very accurate. I pretty much see the P365 replacing my Shield at this point. Still going to put a about 400 more rouns through the P365 before I commit. Never thought I would replace the Shield. I don't think I will be selling or trading it off though.
As for looks, I think the Sheild wins hands down! The P365 is just not great looking, but hey that is not the point of it.
I agree with you on the Shield mag release, it is perfect. Now on the P365 I can't actuate the mag release with my firing hand because it pushed into my palm. Will have to use my non firing hand. No big deal just training.
Great video as always, KS!
Great stuff Claymore! Glad your 365 is running well. They really are great guns. I do agree with you about the looks of the Shield. They have great lines! Thank you as always and cheers!
Current issues with striker breaking in P365 has me a little worried.
@@82lowe36id That has been resolved.
I will say this about my M&P Shield, or the one that my wife carries. We have put way over a 1k rounds through though them, and neither has ever Jammed. Now I did have a mist fire, but it was bc of cheap target ammo and I say this bc, the round that miss fired in mine, I put in my wifes M&P, and it didn't fire in hers either. So IMO, it was a bad cap bc it miss fired in both our M&P's!!!! I will also say, the M&P in the 40 cals for sure, has more slide tension that I've ever felt in a semi auto hand gun!!!
Good review, just sold a Shield to get the P365. Right now, the Shield is a proven entity and there have been some teething problems with the SIG (they will fix them) so I agree with your assessment. However, I couldn't resist the new SIG...
Thank you! I totally understand and hopefully everything will get worked out. Cheers!
I just got an LCP 2 for my first carry gun but when S&W comes out with their own "micro compact" 10 or 11 round Shield I'm buying day one.
Hey that's a great idea.i thought of buying either a p365 or a hellcat.but I like s&w so much.im gonna wait now.u got a point
Shield plus is out now
Love my Sig P365! I bought the Gen ll. 2k rounds not one problem. I'm 6"3 220 but I have a 33 inch waist. So printing is a big problem. I like wearing figure fitting clothes. So the Sig P365 fit's my every day wear. I trust my EDC P365. The P365 replaced my XD 40. I have strong hands the P365 is one of the best weapons I have shot. The trigger and sights are amazing for a out of the box weapon.
Go rent one at your local gun shop/range. You won't be disappointed.
Got my Sig p365 for $500.
That’s awesome! Im glad you like it Mace. Thank you and cheers!
P365 for me especially when you take into consideration you've upgraded both trigger and sights on the M&P to bring it to same standard as the Sig.
P365 - 10+1, no need to replace the trigger or sights, they're now readily available around $500 & they're running great. Yeah, spend the extra $$$ at the counter for the Sig because you'll spend more getting the S&W up to par. Good vid man.
The 365 is a great gun for sure! Thank you and cheers!
If you need a firearm with 11 rounds to stop a threat, that means one thing. You need to practice more.
The stock trigger and sights on The Shield are just fine. You can spend as much money as you want on accessories and upgrades thinking it will make you shoot better. You only be fooling yourself.
From Burke in WA.4/20/18. EXCELLENT review. Both guns are top. I pocket carry a shield9 w.green Viridian laser. (Ret.l.e.o.42 yrs.) The SHIELD is available w.external safety if U want one; 365 does NOT. My SHIELD9 carries 10+1 (mag-guts+2). For me, the SHIELD wins. Not 1 failure or issue. It shoots wonderfully and comfortably. It eats ALL ammo 365 can't be found in Seattle area @ this time.
That’s awesome Burke! A great gun for sure brother. Cheers!
You can get 365 with safety
My friend has one on order from the west coast army in Belview.
I have owned the Sig P365 . with a born date of 28 June 2018. Although this was supposedly the third verison with all the fixes it still had severe striker drag on the primers and with the lingering unanswered reliability issues, I flipped it. Purchased the S&W Shield 2.0 9mm with integrated Crimson Trace green laser. This pistol out of the box out shot the P365, better trigger, better ergonomics, fit better in my hand, where the P365 only felt comfortable with the 12 round magazine. With the Magguts +2 kit installed on the flush fit 7 round mag, giving it a 9 round capacity, it sure cancels our the P365, which isn't worth the extra round for carry.
I'm glad the Shield fit the bill for you! They are great guns indeed. Thank you and cheers!
Great unbiased review. I'm with you on the outcome.
Thank you very much! Team Shield for sure. Cheers!
Just purchased a P365 with ambi safety for 439.00 . Added talon grips to cover un-stippled portion of the upper grip. The safety is well designed and easy to use. I pocket carry this gun without any issues. 12 rd. Mag makes gripping easy. Purchased a 15 rd. Mag but it is ugly, awkward and flat but having a 16 rd. Backup mag is priceless!
Right on! Thank you and cheers!
I have both and love both. Granted I polished the barrel on the shield and did a full apex trigger job on it as well due to mine being the 1st gen shield. Both really are decent carry guns but the p365 definitely has the edge on concealment.
I bought a Shield 4 years ago and it was my EDC for awhile, and I liked it just fine. Then a couple years ago I bought the P365, and the Shield pretty much sat in the safe. I know that some people have had issues with the P365, but I've put several hundred rounds through mine and haven't had a hiccup. Not saying there's anything wrong with the Shield...they're two different guns with different pros and cons, but I just like the P365 better. I enjoy shooting it more, carries more rounds and yet still more compact...I use the 12 round mags and have no issues carrying it concealed. I still have the Shield, however it's relegated to the bedside table or my wife's purse.
I love my shield. Fires when I need it too and was super cheap so I don’t care if I thrash it around
Well said! Thank you and cheers!
Good points, cheap, don't care if you trash it, and reliable. Nothing to love about it and get attached to. Just buy another one once its worn out or ugly from abuse.
Love these videos! One suggestion.....when you place them side by side on the table you should have the targets shot by them beside each gun so we can compare them by seeing them at the same time!!!
Thank you very much for the suggestion! Cheers!
SHIELD ALL THE WAY!! ZERO RELIABILITY ISSUES AND YOU CAN REST ASSURE WHEN YOU PULL A SHIELD TRIGGER IT WILL GO BANG EVERY TIME!! 👍
HOLY OBJECTIVE REVIEW BATMAN. You actually picked a gun OVER the p365. Foregoing the extra size and weight. Wonders will never cease. I knew you could do it.
Batting 50% since I’ve only done 2 comparisons with the 365.
Great review I think you made the right pick S&W Shield is hard to beat thanks for sharing.
Thank you very much Luke! Both are great but the Shield just fits like a glove for me. Cheers brother!
Really appreciate your comparisons. I’ll have to rent both at the range this week and see how they feel for myself. Btw, I L❤️VE seeing the word, pop up on the automated closed-captions while you’re having fun with the shooting demonstration!!
Thank you very much! Let me know what you think after shooting. That’s awesome that applause comes up, lol. I never knew that! Cheers PortCanon!
I now have the Sig 365 with 12 rounds. GREAT weapon. Shoots as well as the Shield. I love both weapons. I have now put 500 rounds thru the 365. It is a lot easier to take down than the Shield to clean. No safety on my 365. I might prefer the safety in my pocket. Buy either one and you will be happy. Because of the 12 to 13 rounds--go to the 365. One day I will put an Apex trigger on my Shield 8/31/18
Hey man you may have figured this out but there are kydex guards that you can fit around just the trigger. If you want to pocket carry you can always get one of those and use some cord tied around a belt or belt-loop. It's just an idea, but I wouldn't pocket carry without something with a heavy trigger or a safety.
I own them both and love them both. Guns are a funny thing, like many of your followers have mentioned. There is no one size fits all with a firearm. I will never get rid of my shield 9mm, but I'm hoping my 365 will become my edc. I only have 150 rounds through my 365, as I just bought it a week ago. Nov 2018 born on date. There were no failures of any kind for first 150. I hope they really did work out the bugs, I am routing for the 365 to be a reliable gun.
Very well said and I agree! Hopefully your 365 will be flawless. Most are these days. Thank you and cheers!
Love your videos!!
I am one of the Glock fanboy wannabes-I loved the look and feel of the 43 and 19- that being said I just could not shoot them accurately- those triggers do not work FOR ME...so they went for a couple Sigs p320 and P365
Back to the point, I was fortunate to get my hands on a 365 and I have the shield 2.0-both stock with night sights
My hands are medium size so the 365 grip is fine for me- I think the 2.0 grip is a bit too aggressive for me but I’m getting used to it-
I think recoil is about the same in these guns and my experience so far (200 rounds in each) is that the 365 is a bit more accurate- for me!
That being said the shield is a bit more fun for me to shoot just because of the grip size- but for EDC I think the 365 goes if only because of the 10 plus 1
I thank God we live in a country where we don’t have to choose just 1! 😊
I LOVE THEM BOTH!!
God bless America
Thank you very much Charles! Excellent points indeed and I’m glad they are both running for you! We are living in good times for sure. Thank you and cheers!
KSGunGuy
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I am literally shooting my p365 and p320 and m&p 2.0 RIGHT NOW!
And today I’m shooting the shield 2.0 the best and it definitely has less recoil - but as always your mileage may vary 😊😊
Thank you for the reply sir! Keep up the good work!
Sweet! Love to hear people out making some noise. Enjoy and shoot straight my friend. Thanks again and cheers!
I am so glad you live in the United States! I don’t live there, I live in California where, for now, Shield 2.0 and the P365 are NOT allowed to be sold to regular citizens because they do NOT appear on the current roster of allowed for sale hand guns!!! I own and LOVE the first gen Shield. I bought for my 13 year old daughter because she said it felt the best in hand; I am so jealous, I am thinking of getting another for me! I don’t know if I can rent the 2.0 at a range, but maybe I’ll use my passport and travel from CA to the United States soon...
Thanks for an excellent video. I’m currently in the market and haven’t done anything but the feel check on the Shield M2.0. It felt really comfortable. After shooting a G43 and P320 recently, I’m looking closely at the 43X, P365, and Shield 2.0. I like the value of the X-ray sights being factory installed, as well as the trigger being highly serviceable out of the box. I think the Sig is definitely higher on the list for me.
Right on! All good guns for sure. Thank you and cheers!
Thank you this video helped me decide on the p365 just bought it today
Right on! Thank you and cheers!