Just a little advice. Don’t drop you gun in the middle of a fight. And if you DO drop it, don’t drop it in a mud puddle. And IF you you do drop it in a mud puddle by accident , don’t step on it with all of your body weight. And if you do happen to do all of those things in the middle of a gun fight, then don’t scoop an extra pile of mud on top in between dodging bullets. If you follow all of these steps, then mostly any of these guns will serve you well.
I bought an M&P as my first handgun when I turned 21 based largely off of price and availability at my local stores. I'm really happy to see that my choice has held up so far.
@@FrankieJames7 i had my M&P shield since like 2013, so first generation. It never shot out of battery, although steel rounds didn't cycle through it, and the slide release is trash.
@@Highgear145 never understood how people get mad abt their guns not performing well in tests like these😂😂. Only get mad if your gun failed the first test- the 2nd test will never happen to 99.9% ofnpeople
Man, I have never been happier about choosing the M&P for my home defense and carry needs than watching it dab on everything else in two extreme tests. I am of course going to bring this up every time someone argues because freezing muddy conditions are super common in the suburbs of Virginia. Thank you for allowing me to base my entire carry identity around these tests.
The M&P has really turned things around on social media, for some reason. A few months ago they were for poors. It's pretty interesting how one dude on social media can dictate what guns do and don't work.
Look at S&W out here making an idiotproof handgun. And there's Mike becoming the more powerful idiot to finally kill the thing. I'm pleased with how this turned out.
@@BrassBashers Was back and forth with m&p and glock at first, ultimately went with m&p because I prefer the grip angle. Having it be this tough is just the cherry on top.
@@mattwolfen my Gen1 Taurus and my Sig 320 (basically the same as the M18 in this test) ran the best through my torture tests. Glocks have not run well in my experience once wet with any sort of debris added. You can check my most recent videos.
I already figured that the M&P would do well. It really didn't surprise me. What I get more excited about is that with every elemental test that is conducted, the Glock guys get a little quieter.
I own a Glock 19.5 and M&P 9c. Love them both. They’re both very reliable. The M&P is definitely a little more rugged tho. I have seen too many videos though where HK pistols have sucked during torture tests. Where are all the HK fanboys? They seem to be the quieter ones. The HK mk23 did horrible.
@@scott8908 to be fair almost all the guns did horribly during the 2nd test. I am a HK fanboy at heart but obviously i was a rooting for the M&P after it destroyed every other pistol in the ice test
@@scott8908fans of HK are only fans of HK because they think it’s cool that their guns are in video games. I think they’re quiet because the community is mostly nerdy dudes that use them as range toys
Under normal circumstances it seems like a quality side arm will function after being dropped in mud. I wonder how well they would all do if they were dropped and only stepped on once. Which would seem like a more realistic test. The MP definitely did awesome though
@Skookhunter17954 Personally, I believe that it is a great time for pistols. Even some cheap guns are getting a record for reliability(Canik, certain Taurus pistols). I feel that finding the right gun is more about personal preference these days. I just get tired of hard-core Glock fans scrambling to shit on the M&P every chance they get because they don't want to admit that Glocks are overpriced and not even top dog anymore. Sig fans can be pretty toxic as well. But I always seem to get more flack from Glock guys. Or even when I would be at a gun store and I would see guys recommending guns, they would talk about how Glock is the best. Sometimes I would interject on how the market has changed and then I would just get ignored. Like damn, I am just trying to show that you don't need to buy an overpriced brick anymore. Sorry for running off there. The short is, most pistols will be reasonably reliable. But I just want certain toxic fans in the gun community to accept reality and stop being such pricks about people choosing other brands.
its my new EDC, i get to train with it for the first time tomorrow. Im excited and these vids makes me a proud owner lol great upgrade from the hipoint c9
Same here! I carry the M&P 2.0 9c and I’m shocked by how many people sleep on this gun. It’s built like a tank and feels really good in your hands. Absolutely love this gun and will probably always be my EDC
Apparently so! I remember the ONE time I shot a Deagle, it was at a range and just a rental pistol so granted who knows how many rounds it had seen since last being cleaned but wow... jam-o-matic. As I recalled, struggled to get through 2 consecutive rounds, might not have managed 3 whatsoever.
@@normanmccollum6082 If it's a rental gun, most likely it needed cleaning or even replacement springs. Desert Eagles are maintenance hogs. My personal gun only ever had one malfunction, where a .44 Magnum case got stuck in the chamber and didn't extract (which seems more like a problem with ammo than anything else), but I always clean my gun every time I fire it, even if I just put 20 rounds through it. Also the springs are recommended to be replaced every 1000 rounds.
I would love to see this test done again with budget guns. It would be awesome to see who makes the best gun with the least amount of money. I carry an AREX delta gen2 and have always been curious about durability.
The MP 2.0 did really well in MAC's elements test, and through most of their gauntlet test. Same with the USP in .45, which is why I was surprised to see the Mark 23 not perform very well here.
@@GarandThumb Mk23 was designed for .45 ACP 185gr @ 1200+ FPS, a +P loading, nowadays known as .45 Super. It was noted during trials as being unreliable with standard .45 ACP.
I was worried I was about to get a reality check since I've grown extremely attached to my M&P 10mm 2.0. Makes me even more confident carrying it as my EDC.
You see, i just purchased 2 M&P M2.0 metal frames, and i have yet to shoot them. After seeing these tests, i am positive of my purchase being the best. Thanks @GarandThumb!!!!
The Desert Eagle doing well here actually makes sense. It's a totally different action and a pretty violent action at that. There's no way for stuff to get in the locking mechanism unlike the Browning tilting barrel designs used on most pistols. This is also making me want an M&P lol
The HI Power failing in the first round just broke my heart. I've owned my 9mm Browning for over 25 years, through countless rounds and not one jam. Kudos to the 1911! Thanks and cheers, fellas!
HUGE Hi-Power fan, too. Somehow, I just knew this one was gonna choke. My personally HP has been through thousands upon thousands of round and a full rebuild and just keeps on running but I just knew this one was gonna give it up in the first round. It still bummed me out. The "straight" 1911 actually kinda surprised me on round two.
I call foul. Look at how gently he dropped the prior plastic guns in comparison to how he threw down the Hi-Power. Yes, at least the Nighthawk 1911 fared well.
@@ericvanswoll4611 Yeah but the hi power has a trigger disconnect, and tighter tolerances than the 1911, and the 45 has a bit more push back on the slide, which probably ate through the mud better. I think the hi power and CZ 75 had the same issues, they just don't have the space for the mud to go, and both don't fair well in sand tests either. So keep your gun clean and they'll do you just fine (i carry a staccato so i lost too lol)
I'm glad to see what I carry (M&P 2.0) perform so well even under the most ridiculous of conditions! Honest Outlaw did a video some time back where he left his M&P 2.0 outside for 3 months and that gun fired through two full mags.
I'm really surprised that the CZ 75 didn't do very well because I've seen test where they've literally stuffed mud into the pistol a lot worse than your test, and it worked almost flawless!!!
I’ve been shooting M&Ps since 2007 with about 35k rounds through the five that I’ve owned. Other than the bad triggers in the Gen 1s, I’ve never had a malfunction that wasn’t caused by bad ammo. An Apex trigger in an M&P 2.0 is the best striker fired trigger in the history of plastic guns. Combine that with the reliability you’re seeing in these tests and it’s one of the more overlooked guns on the market.
@@pjkf01 I read somewhere else here that the Mk.23 is optimized for .45 Super, so .45ACP might not have been strong enough to open the action once there was some resistance from the mud. Given the most frequent malfunctions were due to failures to eject, I think that makes sense.
That Mk.23 result has shattered so much of the things I have held dear in my head and my heart since my father and cousin both got me into firearms as a boy. That specific weapon was one we all dreamed of and was upheld as a paragon of ruggedness and reliability second to none... and this test just shits all over that notion, lol.
Lol military arms channel, look Hk m23 and usp. Outstanding results, one of the best ever. One can keep running these tests over and over and get different results, it seems. They really don't prove much to me because I keep seeing flip flop results on various reputable channels..
Main issue I think is the Mk.23 was optimized for .45 Super, so .45ACP is actually underpowered for the action. You notice the main problems were failures to eject since once there’s some dirt and grit in the action, it didn’t have enough oomph to open. Meanwhile, the .45ACP 1911 likely is optimized for .45ACP, so it had the necessary force going backwards as well as the necessary force going forward. Same with the Desert Eagle on a more massive scale.
@@gameragodzilla these tests are for entertainment purposes and aren't really scientific or repeatable. Also yes, the MK23 has a stupid oversized slide for .45ACP, so it's not surprising that it can't push through those conditions with "just" .45ACP. But also, as much I love the MK23, it has so many unnecessary controls and small parts compared to a modern designed, that I am not surprised that today it can be beat by a design that costs a quarter and is, overall, just newer and better.
As someone who has carried the M&P for 12+ years, and have been a factory armorer for it that whole time, I am not even a little surprised at the results. It is as close to a perfect sidearm as you can get.
The M&P 2.0 9mm compact was my first firearm purchase several years ago, and the pistol I carried for years. The value proposition is too good. Not a ton of aftermarket available, but I’ve always been pleased with mine. I traded it for a 2.0 Sub-compact about 8 months ago and it shoots just as good while offering more concealed carry flexibly for me. I love it! Having said that, I scooped up a gen5 19 mos, which I’ve done a few upgrades on, and I love that thing. I’m personally glad to have both, and they fulfill unique needs for my edc.
I've been recommending it as a first handgun since I shot one. Good feel out of the box, handles well, and it a fair bit cheaper than most handguns. Seeing it crush the tests just means it's the best all rounder at this point. Imagine if Glock was half the gun. Lol
Tbh I don’t think the m&p is worth it especially when the PDP exists. It’s not much more expensive (less than $50) and you’re getting an optics ready handgun and the trigger is far far better than almost anything else out there even aftermarket triggers.
As an M&P owner myself as well as a P320 (yes I know not truly equivalent to the M18) I am shocked by both of them running this test as they did. Love the content as always Plaid Daddy, keep it coming
The M18 is a P320. Rest assured the M18 he ran is the same as the P320 carry model the public gets, not the M18 actually issued to the military, although those guns also failed miserably. I still can’t believe anyone wants one!
@@oleboy7615 bought my p320 years ago now, and I do have to agree. It’s not the greatest. I would definitely take my M&P any day over it. And I do agree with it being underrated and feel like it does outperform the Glocks. But at the end of the day, personal preference and experience is going to be what it comes down too.
I wish they would have done glock 22, 40 cal, supposedly Delta adopted this as their standard sidearm because the higher pressures of the 40. cal round requires a far heavier spring than .9mm. I have read several places that the 40. cal is far more likely to continue to cycle after being subjected to sand, dirt, particulate matter etc.
Picked up an M&P as my first gun i got when I was 21 because it was cheap enough and had the most mags of the ones available at the Air Force Base I bought it at. A few years of training and carrying later and it's been the best gun purchase I have made.
Ive had an m&p 2.0 since they came out and i love it. Its very comfortable to hold and has a nice recoil impulse, i own glocks and other much more expensive guns, but that m&p is one of my favs
There's another torture test video I saw with a Hi point & it worked pretty good. Can't remember who did it but it could just depend on the specific gun idk
I have a friend who owns an M&P 2.0 with 1000’s of rounds through it, he doesn’t take care of it at all, not cleaned it one time. And somehow, 0 malfunctions. I got me a shield plus last year and have put 1000 rounds through it and it has been flawless. I do clean mine every time I use it, but M&P is the most impressive pistol line I’ve ever seen.
The Mark 23 is one of my favorites in terms of American handgun solicitation. But it occurs to me when looking at the testing done to it that it was tested more for longevity than durability as we think of it in these terms.
26:05 I watched these 10 or so seconds over and over....never seen Mike smile that big :) made my day. 26:10, the moment it hits....he lost it for a moment and so did I.....rofl
I’m happy that the smith and Wesson did so well. I carry the 10mm when I’m in bear country so these tests give me an extra level of confidence in my weapon.
I purchased an M&P shield 2.0 45, it's the compact model, about 6 weeks ago. I cleaned it soon as I got it, I've only put 50 rounds through it I fell in love with it the moment I fired it. It is my concealed daily. Thank you for the video I'm now more confident in the durability of the gun more than ever.
I have had the shield 2.0 9mm for almost 3 years and it is awesome. dude you made the right purchase. I went with the 9mm cuz 45 is snappier on such a small gun. Its my first so i wanted a good base line
@@themightycrixus1131 fudge yeah brother I'm going to get a 9mm 2.0 performance next for the range those things are suhweet have you seen the m&p pistol?!
3:55 I think it would be ok to take the optics off before conducting this test if you don't want the hassle of cleaning it afterwards. After all, if it jams in the mud, it will do so with or without the optics. Great video!
Man, that Hi-Power fail on the final round hurts even worse than if it was consistent locking up or was the very first round. So close just to fall short.
The M18 still performed beautifully. It's just the M&P is slept on and the uncomplicated Desert Eagle would of course not fail due to dirt and water intrusion.
Charley's freestyling some awesome lyrics: There's some Japanese dude in henti heaven, that's just looking down and saying "Yah, I got killed with a 1911" @26:08
I have a PDP and I was proud to barely see it pass especially when compared to other proven handguns. Desert Eagle and Mk23 really surprised me. Deagle because I thought it was going to fail and MK23 because I thought it was going to pass with full colors.
@@oleboy7615 I feel like it passed especially compared to other pistols that were given the "pass" stamp. All of them failed to fire consistently except for the D.Eagle.
@@Holret M&P absolutely didn't, it only had an issue from the mag not being seated until it got 2x the abuse the PDP did, and still performed pretty well there.
@@oleboy7615 OKay thanks but by now it should be obvious that I dont care what you people say. It shot 2 without a failure which is more than half of what the pistols tested were able to do.
What helped the Nighthawk is that it's a hand assembled gun with very tight tolerances. That probably helped keep the dirt out of a lot of places. The Glock is the opposite. Looser tolerances for mass production and to allow easy change of parts. Kind of like an AR15 vs AK47.
I think it was In Range TV that did one of they're mud tests on the 1911 a couple of years ago and they where able to submerge the gun in soupy, sandy mud multiple times and it kept running. They Hypothesized that it was the nature of the design of the gun coupled with the .45 acp that essentially made it a self cleaning gun. Whenever they had a stoppage they just had to make sure that they wiped enough dirt off for it to get into battery once and then it would cycle the rest of the mag.
the funny thing about the prodigy being mentioned is that I'm pretty sure Ian did a similar sort of test because he was debating bringing it to like Finnish Brutality and such, and it did pretty well.
So much more entertaining and fast moving than the other gun channel that makes torture test videos. He takes like an hour to make a single video and I just fall asleep…good thing is I watch them instead of asmr vids when I can’t sleep. His channel is something like Military Arms Mammal
Enough guntubers have done it enough to know if you even sneeze in it it'll jam. Lol. Jkjk Matt shoved pond sludge inside of one and it ran it. But like if it doesn't with that 50 pound slide I'd be very confused about physics lol.
Because of this channel I've chosen now to make the m&p my personality. I already have an 2.0 metal competitor on the way and I think I'll buy another today. These are legitimate tests. Don't let the mainstream media (garand thumb) tell you otherwise. This is your fault not mine.
My Motto is if it was good enough for my grandfather (my real father not scumbag number 2 my mother humped) it's good enough for me I expected it to run because I had faith in it
I had high hopes for the m&p from the start honestly. It did well in the ice test, so I hoped it would do well with mud too, and low and behold, performed admirably. Dope video as always man. R.I.P. to whoever cleans those guns tho, glad it ain't me 🤣💯 Also, Mike's voice at 26:14 had me rolling. I've never heard him ever make a sound like that before lol
I've always liked my Walther PPQ. It's a little snappy but once you get used to it, it puts holes into holes. AND the walther PDP was in the lead to start with!
The PPQ and the PDP are amazing pistols, maybe the PDP wasn’t the best pistol here but this is just a fun little test. This just isn’t gonna happen in the field.
I assume the Desert Eagle performed so well because it's gas operated, while the rest are recoil operated. And the half inch oomph helps get the mud out faster
I wonder why they went with the Mark and not any of the VP variants for H&K. They probably won't ever do this test again, but it would have been nice to see a VP9SK or any of the VPs in that line up. Good stuff guys!
Alright run the Mark 23 again, this time with 45 Super loads lol. I’d be curious about the USP45 as it did very well in MACs test. Is it possible the Mark 23 just doesn’t run as well with reg 45 ammo? Like someone else said in the comments I’m pretty sure it was designed for some really hot 185g loads. Maybe just not enough oomph?
I have the M18 and the M&P. Super happy to see they performed. Picking up the PDP soon, also was impressed, although is did not perform as well as the other two.
as an Elbonian mud farmer I'm glad to see my country represented in this test
Reminds me of the episode of family guy where they moved to the south and the one kid says “I gotta go help my dad bring in the mud harvest”. 😂
Glory to Elbonia!
ELBONIA ÜBER ALLES
For Elbonia!!!
I'm also a Mudd farmer. Well it's 5% Mudd. 95% horse shit.
Just a little advice. Don’t drop you gun in the middle of a fight. And if you DO drop it, don’t drop it in a mud puddle. And IF you you do drop it in a mud puddle by accident , don’t step on it with all of your body weight. And if you do happen to do all of those things in the middle of a gun fight, then don’t scoop an extra pile of mud on top in between dodging bullets. If you follow all of these steps, then mostly any of these guns will serve you well.
Underrated comment lol
Well you could plausibly fall with gun, put all your weight on it and scoop some mud up while picking it back up in a panic
Except the Desert Eagle of course.
Agreed lol😂
So let me guess, your gun failed this test?
I'm basing my happiness for the day on whether or not the pistols I like function during this test.
Unironically same.
M&P gang!
Truth.
How'd it go for you?
Soo you happy or depressed today?
I bought an M&P as my first handgun when I turned 21 based largely off of price and availability at my local stores. I'm really happy to see that my choice has held up so far.
Don't they shoot out of battery though?
@@FrankieJames7 i had my M&P shield since like 2013, so first generation. It never shot out of battery, although steel rounds didn't cycle through it, and the slide release is trash.
@@nathanphillips9645 its not designed as a slide release, its a slide stop, m&p designed to run slide
Literally same. My first pistol owned and still a great gun
Same, I bought a Beretta shortly after. Guess I’ll keep both!
As a M18 owner, I'm glad to see that it did as well as it did. And also that it didn't go off being dropped and stepped on multiple times 😅
GANG GANG
Definitely gonna make people mad unfortunately
@@Highgear145 never understood how people get mad abt their guns not performing well in tests like these😂😂. Only get mad if your gun failed the first test- the 2nd test will never happen to 99.9% ofnpeople
The Glock, P320 and MP are all duty guns. They are reliable.
Didn’t know that until now😳 this thing isn’t drop safe?😂😂😂
Carried the M&P .40 while working as a federal contractor for about 8 years. Never had a malfunction. Super underrated weapon.
Looked like you said MP40
Carried m&P40 for 6 years as well, zero problems, very accurate and reliable.
Just got a M&P .40 3 days ago. Looking forward to getting some rounds through it at the range.
Triple Canopy?
Fed
Man, I have never been happier about choosing the M&P for my home defense and carry needs than watching it dab on everything else in two extreme tests.
I am of course going to bring this up every time someone argues because freezing muddy conditions are super common in the suburbs of Virginia. Thank you for allowing me to base my entire carry identity around these tests.
It and the Sig are pretty much equal but yes
The M&P has really turned things around on social media, for some reason. A few months ago they were for poors. It's pretty interesting how one dude on social media can dictate what guns do and don't work.
@Jeremy Read sigs not even close you goon
@@jeremyread261 flawless run of the M&P and 3 out of battery is not "pretty much equal"
Sig is for goobers and non Jesus pilled people.
Look at S&W out here making an idiotproof handgun. And there's Mike becoming the more powerful idiot to finally kill the thing. I'm pleased with how this turned out.
pure chaos
@RogerWilco99 If you make it idiotproof, they will make a better idiot.
I've always wanted an M&P, but I guess not enough to buy one. This video changes things for sure.
@@BrassBashers Was back and forth with m&p and glock at first, ultimately went with m&p because I prefer the grip angle. Having it be this tough is just the cherry on top.
@@mattwolfen my Gen1 Taurus and my Sig 320 (basically the same as the M18 in this test) ran the best through my torture tests. Glocks have not run well in my experience once wet with any sort of debris added. You can check my most recent videos.
I love seeing the M&P do so well. I was an early adopter.
I already figured that the M&P would do well. It really didn't surprise me. What I get more excited about is that with every elemental test that is conducted, the Glock guys get a little quieter.
I own a Glock 19.5 and M&P 9c. Love them both. They’re both very reliable. The M&P is definitely a little more rugged tho. I have seen too many videos though where HK pistols have sucked during torture tests. Where are all the HK fanboys? They seem to be the quieter ones. The HK mk23 did horrible.
@@scott8908 to be fair almost all the guns did horribly during the 2nd test. I am a HK fanboy at heart but obviously i was a rooting for the M&P after it destroyed every other pistol in the ice test
@@scott8908fans of HK are only fans of HK because they think it’s cool that their guns are in video games. I think they’re quiet because the community is mostly nerdy dudes that use them as range toys
Under normal circumstances it seems like a quality side arm will function after being dropped in mud. I wonder how well they would all do if they were dropped and only stepped on once. Which would seem like a more realistic test. The MP definitely did awesome though
@Skookhunter17954 Personally, I believe that it is a great time for pistols. Even some cheap guns are getting a record for reliability(Canik, certain Taurus pistols). I feel that finding the right gun is more about personal preference these days. I just get tired of hard-core Glock fans scrambling to shit on the M&P every chance they get because they don't want to admit that Glocks are overpriced and not even top dog anymore. Sig fans can be pretty toxic as well. But I always seem to get more flack from Glock guys. Or even when I would be at a gun store and I would see guys recommending guns, they would talk about how Glock is the best. Sometimes I would interject on how the market has changed and then I would just get ignored. Like damn, I am just trying to show that you don't need to buy an overpriced brick anymore. Sorry for running off there. The short is, most pistols will be reasonably reliable. But I just want certain toxic fans in the gun community to accept reality and stop being such pricks about people choosing other brands.
“Make fun of people with different guns, religions, races…”
Absolutely made my day 😂
Lmao. All in good fun, of course :D
Mike couldn't take his energy at all. It was hilarious
@@fizeekpoaster Based to the core.
But the wrong people hijack that stuff...not worth it
That was fucking hilarious 😂
As an m&p 2.0 carrier i couldn’t be happier that it passed not only the ice test but mud test too. M&P for the win!!!
In 2 months S&W will tweet about this.... reminding us of this... again.
its my new EDC, i get to train with it for the first time tomorrow. Im excited and these vids makes me a proud owner lol great upgrade from the hipoint c9
Shit dude, if they make a shield plus in .45 I think I'll pick one up!
@@franks450 ALL METAL BABEEEEY!!
Same here! I carry the M&P 2.0 9c and I’m shocked by how many people sleep on this gun. It’s built like a tank and feels really good in your hands. Absolutely love this gun and will probably always be my EDC
This has been my favorite Garand Thumb video 🤣🤣🤣🤣 really love the dry humor that's been coming with the content
I think the Deagle works well as an EDC as long as you soak it in mud each day before carrying.
But you have to have the 10 inch barrel, not the standard one.
Apparently so! I remember the ONE time I shot a Deagle, it was at a range and just a rental pistol so granted who knows how many rounds it had seen since last being cleaned but wow... jam-o-matic. As I recalled, struggled to get through 2 consecutive rounds, might not have managed 3 whatsoever.
@@normanmccollum6082 that sounds more like an operator error, if you limp wrist it, you will jam it every time
As long as everyone else's guns are muddy we good
@@normanmccollum6082 If it's a rental gun, most likely it needed cleaning or even replacement springs.
Desert Eagles are maintenance hogs. My personal gun only ever had one malfunction, where a .44 Magnum case got stuck in the chamber and didn't extract (which seems more like a problem with ammo than anything else), but I always clean my gun every time I fire it, even if I just put 20 rounds through it. Also the springs are recommended to be replaced every 1000 rounds.
For those who don’t remember, the M&P 2.0 was also the all-star of the frozen handgun test.
Well.. he said that in the video
Thanks for letting us know, he didn’t say that in the video 5 times wish he woulda
Actually the SIG was the one who did it first on the frozen test but for some reason they only talk M&P.
@@xavierid it's because fuck SIG :)
I carry an M&P and feel like this basically just validated all of my life’s choices. Thank you Mike J. The Jordan of Pewtubers for this validation
I would love to see this test done again with budget guns. It would be awesome to see who makes the best gun with the least amount of money. I carry an AREX delta gen2 and have always been curious about durability.
old smiths would realy clean house
The S&W M&P 2.0 which won is definitely the cheapest of the 4 winners. By a long shot, I don't even have to look it up.
$450 for that S&W ain't budget?
The MP 2.0 did really well in MAC's elements test, and through most of their gauntlet test. Same with the USP in .45, which is why I was surprised to see the Mark 23 not perform very well here.
I was surprised at the mk23 as well
@@GarandThumb Mk23 was designed for .45 ACP 185gr @ 1200+ FPS, a +P loading, nowadays known as .45 Super. It was noted during trials as being unreliable with standard .45 ACP.
My choice of an M&P 2.0 10mm as my skin/ice walker gun has been validated.
@@Totem4285 🤓🤓🤓
@@Totem4285 .45 Super is more like +P+. It's definitely more potent than just +P.
I've been EDC'ing an M2.0 since 2017. And thanks to your freeze test and your mud test, I feel so much more confident carrying it! This was awesome!
Now you can eat your lunchables with both hands worry-free!
I just got myself a m2.0 a few months ago to be my new edc and these tests make me so happy
I was worried I was about to get a reality check since I've grown extremely attached to my M&P 10mm 2.0. Makes me even more confident carrying it as my EDC.
It's wild to see how the energy of this channel evolved over the last half decade.
You see, i just purchased 2 M&P M2.0 metal frames, and i have yet to shoot them. After seeing these tests, i am positive of my purchase being the best. Thanks @GarandThumb!!!!
It was interesting to see the Desert Eagle do better in the mud test than it usually does with normal operation.
The Desert Eagle doing well here actually makes sense. It's a totally different action and a pretty violent action at that. There's no way for stuff to get in the locking mechanism unlike the Browning tilting barrel designs used on most pistols. This is also making me want an M&P lol
Gas operation goes BRRRRRT
Yeah I wasn’t really surprised about the desert eagle based off of the power alone. There’s a lot of pressure operating that action.
Dew it, M&P is such a nice handgun. Got my wife the 2.0 Compact and it’s amazing.
Full size M&P Performance Center. My go to for many years.
This actually confirmed to me that im getting a M&P 2.0 right after i finishing my AR build. That thing is INSANE!!
The HI Power failing in the first round just broke my heart. I've owned my 9mm Browning for over 25 years, through countless rounds and not one jam. Kudos to the 1911! Thanks and cheers, fellas!
HUGE Hi-Power fan, too. Somehow, I just knew this one was gonna choke. My personally HP has been through thousands upon thousands of round and a full rebuild and just keeps on running but I just knew this one was gonna give it up in the first round. It still bummed me out. The "straight" 1911 actually kinda surprised me on round two.
I call foul. Look at how gently he dropped the prior plastic guns in comparison to how he threw down the Hi-Power. Yes, at least the Nighthawk 1911 fared well.
My jaw dropped when that happened!
I have to shake my head at that. The 1911 and the Hi-Power are the same basic design
@@ericvanswoll4611 Yeah but the hi power has a trigger disconnect, and tighter tolerances than the 1911, and the 45 has a bit more push back on the slide, which probably ate through the mud better. I think the hi power and CZ 75 had the same issues, they just don't have the space for the mud to go, and both don't fair well in sand tests either. So keep your gun clean and they'll do you just fine (i carry a staccato so i lost too lol)
I'm glad to see what I carry (M&P 2.0) perform so well even under the most ridiculous of conditions! Honest Outlaw did a video some time back where he left his M&P 2.0 outside for 3 months and that gun fired through two full mags.
I saw that video, thing did not look good when he started but ran like a champ.
I'm really surprised that the CZ 75 didn't do very well because I've seen test where they've literally stuffed mud into the pistol a lot worse than your test, and it worked almost flawless!!!
I’ve been shooting M&Ps since 2007 with about 35k rounds through the five that I’ve owned. Other than the bad triggers in the Gen 1s, I’ve never had a malfunction that wasn’t caused by bad ammo. An Apex trigger in an M&P 2.0 is the best striker fired trigger in the history of plastic guns. Combine that with the reliability you’re seeing in these tests and it’s one of the more overlooked guns on the market.
Really surprised at the MK23's performance considering the extensive prior testing the military subjected it to.
THAT!
That’s the one that hurt for me. Tough seeing your grail gun fail.
@@pjkf01 I read somewhere else here that the Mk.23 is optimized for .45 Super, so .45ACP might not have been strong enough to open the action once there was some resistance from the mud. Given the most frequent malfunctions were due to failures to eject, I think that makes sense.
@@pjkf01I was sad to see it fail, but then every single gun ended up failing too, so I feel better now lol.
Hk and their gimmicks 🤦🏻♂️
That Mk.23 result has shattered so much of the things I have held dear in my head and my heart since my father and cousin both got me into firearms as a boy. That specific weapon was one we all dreamed of and was upheld as a paragon of ruggedness and reliability second to none... and this test just shits all over that notion, lol.
Bro same lol.. Still my favorite handgun I own 😌
Lol military arms channel, look Hk m23 and usp. Outstanding results, one of the best ever. One can keep running these tests over and over and get different results, it seems. They really don't prove much to me because I keep seeing flip flop results on various reputable channels..
This could be cope. But a single test sample size doesn't invalidate it passing trials with flying colors
Main issue I think is the Mk.23 was optimized for .45 Super, so .45ACP is actually underpowered for the action. You notice the main problems were failures to eject since once there’s some dirt and grit in the action, it didn’t have enough oomph to open. Meanwhile, the .45ACP 1911 likely is optimized for .45ACP, so it had the necessary force going backwards as well as the necessary force going forward. Same with the Desert Eagle on a more massive scale.
@@gameragodzilla these tests are for entertainment purposes and aren't really scientific or repeatable. Also yes, the MK23 has a stupid oversized slide for .45ACP, so it's not surprising that it can't push through those conditions with "just" .45ACP. But also, as much I love the MK23, it has so many unnecessary controls and small parts compared to a modern designed, that I am not surprised that today it can be beat by a design that costs a quarter and is, overall, just newer and better.
Glad to see the D’Eagle made it thru the mud tests…. Awesome video.
As someone who has carried the M&P for 12+ years, and have been a factory armorer for it that whole time, I am not even a little surprised at the results. It is as close to a perfect sidearm as you can get.
Couldn’t agree more!
the great outdoors company is a joke
@@zillsburyy1 That's fine, but their incredibly reliable firearms speak for themselves.
@@zillsburyy1 What is the great outdoors company?
@@oleboy7615 American Outdoor Brands, Inc
The M&P 2.0 9mm compact was my first firearm purchase several years ago, and the pistol I carried for years. The value proposition is too good. Not a ton of aftermarket available, but I’ve always been pleased with mine. I traded it for a 2.0 Sub-compact about 8 months ago and it shoots just as good while offering more concealed carry flexibly for me. I love it! Having said that, I scooped up a gen5 19 mos, which I’ve done a few upgrades on, and I love that thing. I’m personally glad to have both, and they fulfill unique needs for my edc.
When it works flawlessly from the factory, there's no need for aftermarket availability
I've been recommending it as a first handgun since I shot one. Good feel out of the box, handles well, and it a fair bit cheaper than most handguns. Seeing it crush the tests just means it's the best all rounder at this point. Imagine if Glock was half the gun. Lol
Best upgrade I did for my M&P was an Apex trigger, sear, and sear spring.
Tbh I don’t think the m&p is worth it especially when the PDP exists. It’s not much more expensive (less than $50) and you’re getting an optics ready handgun and the trigger is far far better than almost anything else out there even aftermarket triggers.
Can we just take a second and appreciate the pure oration genius that Charlie regularly offers up.
Consistency is what he brings to the game
I'm really hoping for an uncut video of you guys cleaning all these guns
Do you really want to see them drag out the pressure washer and hose them down right on that table.....? 🤣
YES!!!!!
That would be a nice change of pace for the end of the video, give that vibe of setting up a warm bath after hours working in the snow.
I am pretty proud of the Sig M18 passing as one who carries a Sig P229r. Just wish that a SCCY was done as well because i have a CPX.
I feel good knowing I don’t anticipate a shot much more than Mike doing a mud test
Haha - I noticed that, too. 100% understandable not knowing when trigger would break.
Yeah he was milking it a little hard a few times but if the SHIF I would want him next to me even with his milk maid outfit on.
As an M&P owner myself as well as a P320 (yes I know not truly equivalent to the M18) I am shocked by both of them running this test as they did. Love the content as always Plaid Daddy, keep it coming
I can’t see the differences between the p320 and m18
The M18 is a P320. Rest assured the M18 he ran is the same as the P320 carry model the public gets, not the M18 actually issued to the military, although those guns also failed miserably. I still can’t believe anyone wants one!
The M&P is without a doubt the most underrated pistol in the top tier line of guns. I rank it over Glock and par with HK.
@@oleboy7615 bought my p320 years ago now, and I do have to agree. It’s not the greatest. I would definitely take my M&P any day over it. And I do agree with it being underrated and feel like it does outperform the Glocks. But at the end of the day, personal preference and experience is going to be what it comes down too.
@@QwispyVoid Agreed.
I wish they would have done glock 22, 40 cal, supposedly Delta adopted this as their standard sidearm because the higher pressures of the 40. cal round requires a far heavier spring than .9mm. I have read several places that the 40. cal is far more likely to continue to cycle after being subjected to sand, dirt, particulate matter etc.
Picked up an M&P as my first gun i got when I was 21 because it was cheap enough and had the most mags of the ones available at the Air Force Base I bought it at. A few years of training and carrying later and it's been the best gun purchase I have made.
Ive had an m&p 2.0 since they came out and i love it. Its very comfortable to hold and has a nice recoil impulse, i own glocks and other much more expensive guns, but that m&p is one of my favs
Well I think I can speak for all of us that it felt like a dagger in the heart seeing the Hi-Power fail from a little bit of dirty water on it lmao.
Only boomers. Lol
There's another torture test video I saw with a Hi point & it worked pretty good. Can't remember who did it but it could just depend on the specific gun idk
And to think the Browning Hi-Power was designed for the French military with trench warfare in mind. Still a classic and a favorite of mine.
That M&P made me uncomfortable with how well it worked. But my favorite, the Sig, did great and made it through all the rounds so I'm happy.
This test with the smaller carry guns would be cool to see. G43x, Shield Plus, P365, Hellcat etc.
As the owner of an M&p9 2.0c.. Im quite pleased to see my soon-to-be carry gun doing so well in these tests 👏
"Why are you guys so obsessed with the PDP...I think they look like a HiPoint."
*angrily wipes tears* YOU TAKE THAT BACK
“this is outrageous “
It’s ok. We Walther guys have slightly more class, but are not as bourgeoisie as the H&K guys.
I have a friend who owns an M&P 2.0 with 1000’s of rounds through it, he doesn’t take care of it at all, not cleaned it one time. And somehow, 0 malfunctions. I got me a shield plus last year and have put 1000 rounds through it and it has been flawless. I do clean mine every time I use it, but M&P is the most impressive pistol line I’ve ever seen.
The Mark 23 is one of my favorites in terms of American handgun solicitation. But it occurs to me when looking at the testing done to it that it was tested more for longevity than durability as we think of it in these terms.
This made me feel pretty good in my choice of the M&P. Love seeing it surprise people.
Really enjoyed this one! Don’t envy you having to clean all them! Really useful info here for those interested in a good carry gun. Well done!
it was a bad time cleaning them
@Garand Thumb don't doubt it, but thanks for doing it. I laughed and really enjoyed this one but there was also a ton of useful information as well.
@@GarandThumb did the smell come out? I know that mud was rank
I'd love to see a 5.7 test amongst different brands
The pain in my heart when you drop the Browning Hi power
26:05 I watched these 10 or so seconds over and over....never seen Mike smile that big :) made my day.
26:10, the moment it hits....he lost it for a moment and so did I.....rofl
Skinwalkers unite.
UNITE
May they rest in peace or violently.
I got bullets for all of you.
Pull out the flame thrower
Chupacabra be raping bitches.
26:05 Mke's Genuine hilarious reaction.
Mike is losing it lol
I’m happy that the smith and Wesson did so well. I carry the 10mm when I’m in bear country so these tests give me an extra level of confidence in my weapon.
I purchased an M&P shield 2.0 45, it's the compact model, about 6 weeks ago. I cleaned it soon as I got it, I've only put 50 rounds through it I fell in love with it the moment I fired it. It is my concealed daily. Thank you for the video I'm now more confident in the durability of the gun more than ever.
I have had the shield 2.0 9mm for almost 3 years and it is awesome. dude you made the right purchase. I went with the 9mm cuz 45 is snappier on such a small gun. Its my first so i wanted a good base line
@@themightycrixus1131 fudge yeah brother I'm going to get a 9mm 2.0 performance next for the range those things are suhweet have you seen the m&p pistol?!
@@carlosmazariegos8822 yeah! I want to get that new 5.7 one that just came out
@@themightycrixus1131 well worth it I'm sure
@@carlosmazariegos8822 its less than $600!
Controlled burns in the background add an extra layer of cool. Noticed it in the last video too
3:55
I think it would be ok to take the optics off before conducting this test if you don't want the hassle of cleaning it afterwards. After all, if it jams in the mud, it will do so with or without the optics.
Great video!
Man, that Hi-Power fail on the final round hurts even worse than if it was consistent locking up or was the very first round. So close just to fall short.
Wish they would have ran the first fails through the second test as a control
Who knows the 1911 could have failed if it had the same number of rounds but it only had to shoot twice.
Decided to pull an all-nighter to watch all these durability tests, it’s definitely going to be worth it
The M18 still performed beautifully. It's just the M&P is slept on and the uncomplicated Desert Eagle would of course not fail due to dirt and water intrusion.
M&P is my daily carry, love the way they feel and shoot. There underated if you ask me.
Charley's freestyling some awesome lyrics: There's some Japanese dude in henti heaven, that's just looking down and saying "Yah, I got killed with a 1911" @26:08
I have a PDP and I was proud to barely see it pass especially when compared to other proven handguns. Desert Eagle and Mk23 really surprised me. Deagle because I thought it was going to fail and MK23 because I thought it was going to pass with full colors.
It didn’t pass.
@@oleboy7615 I feel like it passed especially compared to other pistols that were given the "pass" stamp. All of them failed to fire consistently except for the D.Eagle.
@@Holret M&P absolutely didn't, it only had an issue from the mag not being seated until it got 2x the abuse the PDP did, and still performed pretty well there.
@@Holret It didn’t.
@@oleboy7615 OKay thanks but by now it should be obvious that I dont care what you people say. It shot 2 without a failure which is more than half of what the pistols tested were able to do.
What helped the Nighthawk is that it's a hand assembled gun with very tight tolerances. That probably helped keep the dirt out of a lot of places. The Glock is the opposite. Looser tolerances for mass production and to allow easy change of parts. Kind of like an AR15 vs AK47.
I expected the desert eagle to do worse because of the locking bolt and the gas system but i was incredibly surprised
I think it was In Range TV that did one of they're mud tests on the 1911 a couple of years ago and they where able to submerge the gun in soupy, sandy mud multiple times and it kept running. They Hypothesized that it was the nature of the design of the gun coupled with the .45 acp that essentially made it a self cleaning gun. Whenever they had a stoppage they just had to make sure that they wiped enough dirt off for it to get into battery once and then it would cycle the rest of the mag.
M&P lets goo! My first ccw, so proud of it
the funny thing about the prodigy being mentioned is that I'm pretty sure Ian did a similar sort of test because he was debating bringing it to like Finnish Brutality and such, and it did pretty well.
So much more entertaining and fast moving than the other gun channel that makes torture test videos. He takes like an hour to make a single video and I just fall asleep…good thing is I watch them instead of asmr vids when I can’t sleep. His channel is something like Military Arms Mammal
Inrange TV does mudtests. He was the first I saw doing them.
@@ImDudePlayinADude I can’t stand how condescending that guy is to watch any of his videos
What surprised me was the magnification on those prescription lenses my guy
GigaChad Garand Thumb always got them posts right after Church.
Been looking at the all metal M&P 2.0 and this is definitely moving it up my list.
Why? you planning on dropping it in the mud just before you need to fire it? 🤣
@@aintchorrollmodel182 no, It’s nice knowing I could though.
Check out Honest Outlaw review of the all metal. For the price difference, it's almost not worth it
I’m impressed with the M&P; bought 3 so far. Wished you had a ruger in the mix
This video and your ice video single-handedly increases M&P sales at my department 😄
25:37 “yeah dude that was kinda dark”😂😂
Let’s see Paul Allen’s torture test
A Mark 23? They need to test a USP 45... or are those super similar? It breezed through Military Arms gauntlet
Loves all the tests you produce!
You need to involve hi-point firearms also!
Zero discrimination
Enough guntubers have done it enough to know if you even sneeze in it it'll jam. Lol. Jkjk Matt shoved pond sludge inside of one and it ran it. But like if it doesn't with that 50 pound slide I'd be very confused about physics lol.
I’ve felt better about my M&P fanboyism since the freeze test so let’s keep the streak goin
Because of this channel I've chosen now to make the m&p my personality. I already have an 2.0 metal competitor on the way and I think I'll buy another today. These are legitimate tests. Don't let the mainstream media (garand thumb) tell you otherwise. This is your fault not mine.
I carry a 1911 every day, I honestly didn’t think it was going to do good as it did. Nice to know since I live in the foot hills of Appalachia.
My Motto is if it was good enough for my grandfather (my real father not scumbag number 2 my mother humped) it's good enough for me I expected it to run because I had faith in it
I Love a Great 1911!!! 🥷🏼👨🏻🚀👍💥💥🇺🇸. Beretta9MMUSA Sr.
I just love the fact, that I carry m&p2
I would have liked to have seen a p226 and m9 to see how those old war horses would have done. Thanks for the great vid.
24:09 as a M&P 2.0 owner, I approve this mud test.
I had high hopes for the m&p from the start honestly. It did well in the ice test, so I hoped it would do well with mud too, and low and behold, performed admirably. Dope video as always man. R.I.P. to whoever cleans those guns tho, glad it ain't me 🤣💯 Also, Mike's voice at 26:14 had me rolling. I've never heard him ever make a sound like that before lol
This is why people stopped talking crap on 1911. Thank you garand. There's a reason it's my EDC
I've always liked my Walther PPQ. It's a little snappy but once you get used to it, it puts holes into holes. AND the walther PDP was in the lead to start with!
The PPQ and the PDP are amazing pistols, maybe the PDP wasn’t the best pistol here but this is just a fun little test. This just isn’t gonna happen in the field.
@@FacitOmniaVoluntas. PDP was great to include it here.
Loving the dramatic background music
I want to know when Smith and Wesson is going to sponsor you… I guarantee the ice test and this mud test tripled their m&p sales 😂
I assume the Desert Eagle performed so well because it's gas operated, while the rest are recoil operated. And the half inch oomph helps get the mud out faster
The Eagle definitely had physics on its side with this test. Lol.
SEE? HALF AN INCH CAN DO GREAT THINGS TOO
@@candle_eatistI think you mean 4/8 of an inch
the epitome of "this is good, but I like this" lmao love it dude 10/10
Would love to see a PCC version of this. MP, B&T, CZ and the works
“Make fun of people with different guns, religions, rac….”
“OK!”
😂
Much respect to the M&P!! I was very impressed
I wonder why they went with the Mark and not any of the VP variants for H&K. They probably won't ever do this test again, but it would have been nice to see a VP9SK or any of the VPs in that line up. Good stuff guys!
The US military adds mk to everything, probably the reason. Used to be used by special forces.
Thinking the same way. A VP in the test would’ve been fun, although I’d expect their USP to do better in a mud test ya never know.
Now do this same test on all the new ported guns that have come out. Please.
Alright run the Mark 23 again, this time with 45 Super loads lol. I’d be curious about the USP45 as it did very well in MACs test. Is it possible the Mark 23 just doesn’t run as well with reg 45 ammo? Like someone else said in the comments I’m pretty sure it was designed for some really hot 185g loads. Maybe just not enough oomph?
I have the M18 and the M&P. Super happy to see they performed. Picking up the PDP soon, also was impressed, although is did not perform as well as the other two.
The M18 has a type of closed chamber if I’m correct so I wasn’t surprised to see it do so well. You made a good choice when buying a handgun
I would expect that performance out of the 1911, I guess the Desert Eagle just has so much kick to knock the mud off.