I am returing but am an N modeller, but this makes so much more sense than the crazy prices and complexity of traditional DCC - which seems to be designed to put people off! If I can make it work with my Dapol, Kato and Farish, I'll be all in.
@@euviga when you switch to DCC controller mode, the address you give a loco , is that done on the hm7000 app prior, so there's no need to use your programming track? Thanks
Thanks. I'm just finishing off my first full running session with one of these decoders which I'll post tomorrow. The experience has been very positive and they are very cost effective. There are issues of course, Gaugemaster DC controllers, fit issues for the Next18 versions etc. but overall, at the pricepoint, they are pretty compelling - if the profile for your loco is available of course!
Thank you for pulling this together. Your advice has been very helpful. I don’t specialise in sound, as it would be quite expensive to do to all my locos. But for a cheap entry, this sound great.
Great update, very informative. These products are definitely going to entice some of those who run a DC layout. The cost is very well designed to bring DC and new enthusiasts to the hobby interest. About the subscription you mentioned, the more that buy this system the greater the demand for servers. I'm sure, at some point, a subscription fee will be introduced.
I’m just testing the water with what seems to be an innovative dcc solution. I understand that this will also work on dc systems as well. That will definitely be a game changer.
Excellent video as always Eugene. My first thoughts are that, compared to other sound chips, these are great value. As an android user, I'm excluded for now but that is probably just as well. First generation of any electronics is always a gamble bugs wise. Like many I don't like using a phone as controller but appreciate the easy tweaking if needed. I'm not keen on the Hornby account part either. As you mentioned, there's always the chance they might start charging for access in future or even worse, may abandon the project if it proves too costly. Hornby has a less that stellar record in this regard. It WILL be interesting to see how other chip makers respond.
Thanks Gerry. Yeah, it will be interesting to see how Zimo and ESU react to this. If Hornby can succeed in producing and selling lots of these it will have to have an impact on them.
Hi Euvi. As you said, modellers may have already invested quite heavily in DCC control equipment, so I suppose the BlueTooth/DCC duality may be useful, but I personally don't like controlling locos via a phone/tablet. However, I can see this will be an attractive option to many. You didn't specifically mention that the tinny quality of the sound was partly due to the fact that the speaker wasn't enclosed (although I suspect that many viewers already appreciate this). You mentioned that the selection of sound profiles seemed to be for TT locos, but from what I saw in your video, they seemed to be heavily weighted toward OO. Wow - that's some computing power (LOL)!
Hi Paul, I really want to do some sounds tests with a range of other speakers and profiles to see how the quality holds up but I'm stuck right now given the range of locos. The loco selection under 00 actually mirrors the early locos available in the TT range so I suspect Hornby prioritised creating the sound profiles for these accordingly. I have the Class 43 which would be a TXS - TTS comparison. The sugar cubes do struggle on the base side so they do need to be enclosed as you mentioned in order to be able to develop any decent base. If Hornby can get the Class 37 and 47s up there I'll be good to go on some comparative tests.
Looks a great system and everyone says how cheap it is because you don't have to buy an expensive controller. but by the time you have bought a Hornby decoder for each loco you own at £60 a time it is actually not cheap at all!
A move to DCC isn't cheap, and DCC sound even less so! With this system, you can always try it out on a few locos for starters at a low entry point which is useful.
@@EuviRail Not too bad on N Gauge but then no sound on 6 pin chip. But at €32 cheap to try for control. Only problem seems to be the chip size 21 pin and next 18 both quite large, don't know about N scale 6 pin but will soon find out as I am building a new layout with new Locos. Perhaps save on cost by just buying DCC ready rather than removing pre installed chips.
Hi EuviRail, Thanks for sharing your first experience with the TXS / HM7000 app. Most interesting ! I bought two 8-pin decoders but I'm awaiting the release of the Android app. I'll follow your advise to already sign up to a Hornby account. All in all it doesn't seem a 'plug and play' as one might think ! Hope the 'learning' curve is not that steep for my older - but young at heart - age. My hope is that this TXS will sound better and sync on the chuff rate for steam engines compared to the TTS decoders I installed in 90% of my fleet. (And quite pleased with the performance) For the moment I use - and will continue to use - the NCE Power Cab linked with the Wifitrax module and using the free but very versatile Engine Driver app. This will be a good reference to compare the HM7000 app. Considering easy CV setting and hopefully also the function mapping this will be a most existing new way to enjoy running trains. Success ! Cheers, Filip
Thanks Filip. It's not that bad complexity wise - it's just that there are steps you need to do first time out such as the firmware updates and downloading the sound profile. After that it's a lot easier. I went into the layout this morning, fired up the App, which straight away went looking for any registered devices. 10 secs later I was running my Class 73 from the phone without touching my DCC controller.
@@EuviRail Thanks for your kind reply ! I hope the Android version will be released soon. I made an account and I already had a look into the manuals. It's all very well explained. Success & happy model railroading.
I like this idea from Hornby and because I do N scale. I will likely go for 6 pin and Next18 for my models I have. Most of them are N18 so that will be the way for me. I like the DCC legacy system compatibility as I will use this until Android support comes out. Or I might buy an older cheap Iphone just to use for BlueTooth DCC only. Great video as always Eugene. .
Thanks Ash. As per the video, I'd definitely opt for an alternative phone or tablet to run this on. I used my personal phone to get going with a couple of locos but I intend to switch as the loco count increases.
Good basic review. I rate these decoders and setting them up via the app, easier than installing a new printer! The odd sound functions you had is probably because you didn’t install the functions file when doing the profile install. If you go back to the install screen for the loco you can flash it across to the decoder and you should have diesel appropriate sounds and the jaunty horn should be more recognisable 😁 Even if you use the app to set up and tune decoders, load sounds and running profiles before switching across to traditional DCC operation, this is a phenomenally powerful tool that brings simplicity and access to any modeller with a recent (ish) smart phone or tablet for free. I have a decoder in a Piko TT120 loco and run on a Dynamis so cross compatibility is no problem at all @HighFell
Thanks for that.I agree the App is a more easier mechanism for setting up a loco, customising the CVs etc even if you don't use it for control. It's going to be so painful going back to the old way!
Hi Eugene, I bought one of these decoders but as an android user left it sitting one my workbench. However after watching another channel last week I put it into a newly delivered Hornby class 91 and it works just like an ordinary decoder does. Except it seems to come pre-loaded with steam loco sounds. So these new decoders can be used straight away with a DCC controller while android users like me just having to wait for the new app to change to diesel loco sounds etc.
Hi James, you will always be asked to update the generic firmware on the decoder so I would always do this before running it but as you say there is a default profile on there so you can use that were a profile you were looking for isn't there yet. Hopefully you'll see the Android version in a few weeks.
Hi, always enjoy your videos and I’m awaiting delivery of two of these HM7000 decoders. Quick question, if you’re wanting to control 2 or 3 trains at once, is it quite straight forward or is it possible to use multiple devices on the same login? Example being an iPhone & iPad so it’s like having a controller per loco. Cheers, Mark
Thanks Mark. I've been trying to use an older iPhone and iPad with the system but unfortunately both of them are on unsupported iOS releases that cannot be upgraded any further so the App fails on both of them. I don't believe there is any issue with having multiple supported devices for control. Now how it might arbitrate between two people attempting to control the same loco at the same time I cannot yet tell you.
Great review (as usual), I know that this is early days but do you think these decoders will be compatible with other brands of loco i.e. Heljan and Bachmann. As I live in France getting decoders with UK sound files can be difficult so it would be hugely advantageous to be able to purchase the decoder and then load the sound files via the app. For me this could be a real game changer just for the accessibility of the sound files! Keep up the good work as these videos help immensely. Paul
Thanks Paul, the Class 73 in the video is actually a Dapol loco. I need to test with a Bachmann and Accurascale. I don't have any other vendor's locos right now.
I think Hornby will need to sort out the glitches and make sure they push on making this system even better than it is now as I think a lot of people will invest in this system but they also need to look at the size of the TXS sound decoder for smaller locomotives to allow these locos to be able to fit sound de orders in smaller locos
I want to record some full running sessions with locos using the system. This will tease out any major control problems. Will do a dedicated video on the relative sound performance once a few more diesel profiles are available.
Fitting HM7000 8 pin sound decoder to my A4. works OK with Gaugemaster DCC controller. I am waiting for Android App for the full experience. Interested in how the Brake function works. My hope is I can set deceleration CV to high value (~50) so loco take a long time to slow down if I just use speed control. But slows down more rapidly when "applying the brakes".
I needed to know why they don’t dig a tunnel and do an extension for the main line Train so that they can extend the unused abandoned underground train stations. Why couldn’t they use the part D78 Stock train doors on the sides and also restructure the front face of the A60 and A62 stock and that includes the class 313, class 314 and class 315 remix and make them all together and also redesign them an overhead line and also make them into Five cars per units and also having three Disabled Toilets on those Five cars per units A60 and A62 stock trains and also convert the A60 and A62 stock trains into a Scania N112, Volvo B10M, Gardner 6LXB, Gardner 6LXC and Gardner 8LXB Diesel Engines and also put the Loud 7-Speed Voith Gearboxes even Loud 8-Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Gearboxes in the A60 and A62 stock, class 313, class 314, and class 315 and also modernise the A60 and A62 stock and make it into an 11 car per unit so it could have fewer doors, more tables, computers and mobile phone chargers. A Stock Trains and also having 8 Disabled Toilets on those A stock trains. why couldn’t we refurbish and modernise the waterloo and city line Triple-Track train tunnel and make it more Larger and extend it to the bank station, making it into a Triple-Track Railway Line so those Five countries such as Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden to convert the waterloo and city line Triple-Track Railway tunnel into a High-Speed Railway lines? The Third Euro tunnel Triple-Track Railway line to make it 11 times better for passengers so they could go from A to B. then put the modernised 11 car per unit A Stock and put them on a bigger modernised waterloo and city line Triple-Track train tunnel so it could go to bank station to those Five countries such as Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden. The modernised refurbished 11 cars per unit A stock could be a High Speed The Third Triple-Track Euro Tunnel Train So it is promising and 47 times a lot more possible to do this kind of project if that will be OK for London Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden. oh by the way, could they also tunnel the Triple-Track Railway Line so it will stop from Buckinghamshire, Hertfordshire and Essex so that the Passengers will go to Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland and Sweden and also extend the Triple-Track Railway Line from the Bank to Buckinghamshire, Hertfordshire and Essex Stations so that more people from there could go to Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden more Easily. Why couldn't they extend the Piccadilly line and also build a brand-new underground train station so it could go even further right up to Clapton, Wood Street can they also make another brand new underground train stations in Chingford and could they extend the Piccadilly Line and the DLR right up to Chingford? All of the classes 150, 155, 154, 117, 114, 105, and 106, will be replaced by all of the Scania N112, Volvo B10M, Gardner 6LXB, Gardner 6LXC and Gardner 8LXB Diesel Five carriages three disabled toilets are air conditioning trains including Highams Park for extended roots which is the Piccadilly line and the DLR trains. Could you also convert all of the 1973 stock trains into an air-conditioned maximum speed 78 km/hours (48 MPH) re-refurbished and make it into a 8 cars per unit if that will be alright, and also extend all of the Piccadilly train stations to make more space for all of the extended 8 car per unit 1973 stock air condition trains and can you also build another Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive Companies and can they order Every 37 Octagon and Every 17 Hexagon shape LNER diagram unique small no.13 and unique small no.11 Boilers from those Countries such as Greece, Italy, Poland, and Sweden, can they make Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive speeds by up to 142MPH so you can try and test it on the Original Mainline so it will be much more safer for the Passengers to enjoy the 142MPH speed Limit only for HS2 and Channel Tunnel mainline services, if they needed 16 Carriages Per units, can they use those class 55’s, class 44’s, class 40’s and class 43HST Diesel Locomotive’s right at the Back of those 18 Carriages Per Units so they can take over at the Back to let those Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive’s have a rest for those interesting Journeys Please!!!!!!!, oh can you make all of those Coal Boxes’s 17 Tonnes for all of those 142MPH Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive’s so the Companies will Understand us PASSENGER’S!! so please make sure that the Builders can do as they are told!!!!! And please do something about these very very important Professional ideas Please? Prime Minister of England, Prime Minister of Australia, Prime Minister of Sweden, Prime Minister of Germany, Prime Minister of Italy, Prime Minister of Poland and that Includes the Mayor of London.
Good review as usual 👍 I hope that this works well for hornby as it’s a big step forward, I’m looking forward to your review of these decoders with a decent speaker attached to hear how good or bad the quality of the sound files are as they seem to be very reasonably priced. The only OO models I have are Hattons class 66’s and Accurascale Deltics all sound fitted and all the rest of my models are HO European and North American so I have to stick with Loksound, just wish they weren’t so expensive.
Thanks John, I'm waiting now for profiles for some of the locos I actually have to test the sound files - I can then do an apples for apples with the same speaker as I have on the original loco. It should be interesting...
As my layout is DC only I would be interested in how the HM7000 works on DC. I only have a Class55 that is DCC-ready. My understanding is that if you set the train controllers on full power you can use HM 7000. I am currently working on my first Layout board after a six-year wait. (Finance) So by the time it is ready there will be some testing on DC. Thank you for making this video. Martin. (Thailand)
Hi Martin, for my DC test, I cranked up my Bachmann power controller to maximum and was able to control the model including sound via the App. As I mentioned in the video, there can be problems with certain DC controllers that use Pulse Width Modulation so I would a check through the documentation to make sure you start out on the right footing. Apart from that, you will have a DCC level of control from the App. Best of luck with the layout.
Good one . Again a well thought out video . I operate DC , so I am interested in using this as a possible entry into DCC sound . So I am interested . How did you find sound and speed operating on DC . Was the sound or speed compromised? I appreciate you were using a Bachmann Controller . Mine is a Gaugemaster one , so may be affected by PWM . I take it you just turned your controller to max and used the app to control . Would be great to see video of operation on DC
Hi Russell, I didn't notice any differences on DC and I'd say that part of that is down to the Bachmann Controller which gives a pretty "clean" voltage. I used it on max power alright with the App set for Bluetooth control. I intend to do some running sessions of locos I've covered previously in videos so that a direct comparison can be done. A DC run makes sense so watch this space!
i think the issue when down loading fitmware update are server and speed likely server. and if one has a wifi then issue is more a server one. but in any case switch of any android tv and apple tv boxes those can slow down the speeed some what. that i think is a small issue but a speed one in your home wifi network. 🇸🇪🇸🇪🇸🇪🇸🇪👍👍👍👍👍
Thanks for the review, I also have railmaster elink I presume when you have programmed the decoder via Bluetooth and switch it over to DCC control, do you have to put the locomotive back on the programming track for RM to read all the CV’s ?
RM elink won’t read CV when switching over from Bluetooth to DCC… just isn’t finding the decoder on its database ? Have the Bluetooth settings disabled on the app… ?
Thanks Eugene, especially for the tips. I’ve now also watched the related videos by Simon’s Shed and Jenny Kirk, plus checked out the Hornby Forum, so am gaining a rounded picture. A very basic question if I may, please. For my DC layout I’m thinking it would be easier to buy a Hornby transformer cable and link this directly to the track if I want to run locos with Hornby’s Bluetooth decoders, retaining my Gaugemaster controller if, at other times, I wanted to run my ‘heritage’ analogue fleet. Do you have to use the Hornby track connector Rail when using their transformer or is there a simpler way of connecting without having to rip up my existing track to insert this?
Hi Will, there is no need to use the connector. This is only for convenience. If you soldered drops from the rails, you can connect to these. I've been using Wago connectors to tie this into the main bus bar under the layout. You can get them with 2,3 or more terminals. They remove the need for soldering or screwing.
@@EuviRail Many thanks Eugene. On the lack of profiles, I see Hornby has now released 16 of the original 35 listed in their 2023 catalogue, plus ‘Flying Scotsman (040) and a Class 56 (042). Looks promising.
@@Teesbrough I was crying out for the Class 800 - may have to wait a bit.... In fairness, the App has only been out for a week so what's there is a reasonable start.
android app is with us now (phew) as i will not venture into the dark side of life with any apple product. My 8 pin TXS decoder works like a dream especially when run from an onboard battery. True dead rail running 'just like the real thing' as we all should be running. No more track cleaning, dead spots, dodgy points, reversing loop modules, no magic boxes to keep the polarity correct on points, real use of the track 'just like the real thing'.
Thanks for the video EuviRail. The bits I do like about the HM7000 though are the free sound profiles and the CV management, but not sure I am convinced yet that I want to use my phone to control the locomotives. Do you know if the HM7000 decoders are supporting features like block detection and ABC (automatic brake control)?
Hi Chris, I haven't seen any mention of block control with HM7000 though ABC support is reference in the manual - check pages 104-106. I'm definitely going to move off my phone for this to an older iPad mini I have.
Hi Thomas, I've been waiting for the Class 800 sound profiles to be released so that I can do a full running session with the new decoders so I haven't done anything with them yet. Have you run your Class 800 on the same electrical circuit previously or is this the first time out? Some locos will give a humming sound with Hornby's low cost Analog controller due to the pulse width modulated voltage it delivers. The documentation does advise that controllers than use PWM can interact with the sound output on the TXS decodes but I guess you're not testing a sound version of the decoders?
Yeah, I've got away without it for the larger heavier locos (CO-CO diesels) but lighter models will run into trouble for sure and for bluetooth, the recovery time is worse than for DCC.
Very interesting, thank you. I also use e-Link and Railmaster. Did you use the power straight from the e-Link to provide power to the track when running the decoder in Bluetooth mode, or did you use the R7337 4 amp transformer ?
Thanks Stuart. I'm using the 4 Amp transformer coming through the eLink controller. The eLink is driving the track. I did test it with and without Railmaster running and had that same initial issue.
I run Irish railways so sound is going to be difficult until someone makes a devic to reload the Hornby sound files. On the other hand just running with DCC non sound decoders for a while might be worth a try
I intend to do a test with one of my A-Class locos. No proper sound of course though I'll load one of the supported profiles to see it all in action on one of these models.
Thanks Andy. I'll put that on the test list. Right now, only the Class 66 profile is common to the two systems so I'd like to see the 37 and 47 for example and also compare these to their Loksound equivalents.
Hi George, yes it's very easy to switch though I only have experience with up to 3 locos so far so it could be more complicated with more. Go to 9:10 on the video. Above the function list you see Address#3 / New Loco appear twice. These are actually two different locos appearing on a scrollable ribbon. I just hadn't edited the defaults yet. Later in the video I replace "New Loco" with the loco no. The active loco is highlighted in yellow and you just click on the ID/Name to select the active loco.
@@GDGRailway47712 Yes but Apple is a consistent hardware platform. Android phones/tablets are made by a variety of manufacturers and have to port Android to their phones. Covering all of the bases in Android is a bigger task. I am an Android user, I will not be rushing out to get an iPhone, either new or second hand. In fact I have an old HTC in my desk drawer, I'll probably try that before my daily OnePlus.
Hi Andrew, both can be controlled on the simpler locos. I've yet to test with locos that have more complex lighting - waiting for the sound profiles. Will probably just test on one of the existing profiles at this stage.
Hi, I don't have any NEXT18 locos or decoders so I can't comment on that. I've yet to have a fit issue with the 8-pin or 21-pin decoders. The 21-pin decoder is the same size as a Loksound 5 for example so if there's a fit issue with that you won't fit a Loksound 5 either. Most of the locos Sam's Trains was testing on should have had 6 or 8-pin decoder sockets in my opinion but as I say I'm in the NEXT18 world so I just don't have the experience with these decoders.
@@EuviRail When you start to investigate how some apps are basically info gathering on what your up to I'm really surprised how so many people don;t understand the huge invasion of privacy they can be connected with. Gets back to that idea is it's free you're the product
Hi Rob, not officially. The challenge to do it yourself would be the need to create an equivalent to the DC track voltage (12 - 16V) so you'd need a suitably sized Lipo battery with say a 12V-14V output. A heavy loco can draw between 200-300mA so the battery would need to be capable of delivering that. More efficient locos can be in the 150mA range but the size and running resistance of your rake will increase the current drawn. Fitting such a battery into your loco will be the challenge. Railroad locos are more or less empty inside so there about the only ones with the room for a largish battery.
Hi Bob, the first three things to check 1) you have the latest version of the HM7000 App on your phone, 2) you have the correct power on your track, either DCC or DC turned up to the maximum and 3) that you have updated the firmware in your decoder. After step 1 and 2 you should at least be able to connect to the decoder but you can at least use the App to upgrade the firmware - it should prompt you to do this and then it's a matter of following the instructions on the App.
Having seen there could be some issues with the size of the 21 pin, do you have the new Dapol Class 59 as I was wondering if the 21 pin decoder will fit in. Thanks
Hi, I can't say I'm afraid as I just got notice from Hattons yesterday that my Gaugemaster Special Edition Class 59 was delayed until 2024 - a year late. I was due to review it this month but I'm not sure if I'm even going to go ahead with it now. I've seen some murmurings regarding size issues on some locos so I need to do so some screening now on my existing collection. I've only tested the 8-pins on Hornby Class 47 and 60s and the 21-pin on the Dapol Class 73. Now that you've prompted me, I think I need to do a quick check through my collection of 21-pin based locos even if the sound profiles aren't there yet for them.
@@EuviRail Thanks for the reply. The reply I received from Dapol wasnt very helpful so I think I am going to have to buy one and see if it fits. I also need to be sure the Hornby decoder is a 6 Function decoder as stated in the Dapol manual (which isnt great at all on fitting a decoder or speaker )
Hi Andrew, it is - at least to a point. Check out pages 50 and 106 of the manual - support.hornby.com/hc/en-gb/articles/6430131748114-HM7000-HM-DCC-Instruction-Manuals
@@ianbraddick8337 Right OK. I was just a bit concerned as I have pre ordered a DP1 and P2 Prince of Wales which I am fairly certain have TXS decoders in them, and I don’t plan to buy this system. How will I configure in the HM7000 app without the HM7000 basestation?
@@bennickss there is no 'bastation'.. all you need is the App. But you can still use on your existing controller; although useful to have the app to fine-tune locos CVs etc
@@martinhuckle7308 I have seen some references that it may not be supported on the non-sound Bluetooth decoders though this could have been an earlier firmware limitation that has since been resolved? Personally I've only been using the sound versions which do support it as you've discovered.
It's useless if it dont fit in most locos limited sound files and no simple option to add stay alive so while the concept is ingenious its dumb witingly excited as per usual from hornby
Questions ;- 1) Range with Bluetooth...? I have a layout fifty feet long.....and previously didn't opt for the Bachmann Bluetooth system as I was concerned about range. 2) I also have a spur into the garden, with it going some 150' - 200' from base. Presumably, this Bluetooth system simply wouldn't work.....?
I've done some testing around the house (2 storey, 4 Bed + train room) and it will work from within any room within the main footprint of the house which means worst case it's traversing a single block wall and a floor and ~20-25 ft. Once I step into the utility and another wall comes into play it's gone. Hard to say how well this translates into uninterrupted distance. I'd say 50ft with line of sight will probably work but 150-200' in the garden would be out of range. The limited size of the decoder and hence the Bluetooth antenna is a limiting factor here.
I'm kind of suspecting not given that N Gauge could be seen as a competitor to TT:120. Hornby's priority will definitely be to service their own 00 and TT ranges first. Good question though.
I am returing but am an N modeller, but this makes so much more sense than the crazy prices and complexity of traditional DCC - which seems to be designed to put people off! If I can make it work with my Dapol, Kato and Farish, I'll be all in.
So far, I've found 3rd party loco compatibility to be good so you should be in business part from the size issue on the 18-pin decoders.
Thanks for making this video , have just purchased my first hm7000 decoder
Thanks and best of luck with your decoder. I think I have about 8 of them myself at this stage.
@@euviga when you switch to DCC controller mode, the address you give a loco , is that done on the hm7000 app prior, so there's no need to use your programming track? Thanks
A very fair review unlike that of carpet boy who didn’t even read the instructions. Thank you.
Thanks for that.
Superb overview, for me I use Esu and a Esu programmer with the 1000 S of euro files ,but this system looks very good value for money...
Thanks. I'm just finishing off my first full running session with one of these decoders which I'll post tomorrow. The experience has been very positive and they are very cost effective. There are issues of course, Gaugemaster DC controllers, fit issues for the Next18 versions etc. but overall, at the pricepoint, they are pretty compelling - if the profile for your loco is available of course!
Looks kinda fun.
Nicely done video sir
Absolutely. Thanks for that.
Really useful guide and perspective. Thanks for putting together. M
Thanks Michael
Thank you for pulling this together. Your advice has been very helpful. I don’t specialise in sound, as it would be quite expensive to do to all my locos. But for a cheap entry, this sound great.
Thanks. I'm glad it was helpful!
HI just received my hm7000 n18 txs for my new tt-120 engine just got it fitted in the tender all okay. enjoyed your video so now to set it all up.
Good stuff. Thanks for sharing Michael.
I hope that Hornby HM7000 in time will produce other Diesel sound profiles models that they don’t manufacture…
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Great update, very informative.
These products are definitely going to entice some of those who run a DC layout.
The cost is very well designed to bring DC and new enthusiasts to the hobby interest.
About the subscription you mentioned, the more that buy this system the greater the demand for servers.
I'm sure, at some point, a subscription fee will be introduced.
Thanks Ian. Yeah, I suspect this will encourage some DC diehards to make the move. Thankfully, there's no major capital investment to get going.
I’m just testing the water with what seems to be an innovative dcc solution. I understand that this will also work on dc systems as well. That will definitely be a game changer.
Yes, the decoder/App combination effectively give DCC level control and sound on your DC layout.
Been waiting for someone to do this. Many thanks.
Thanks Greg
Excellent video as always Eugene. My first thoughts are that, compared to other sound chips, these are great value. As an android user, I'm excluded for now but that is probably just as well. First generation of any electronics is always a gamble bugs wise. Like many I don't like using a phone as controller but appreciate the easy tweaking if needed. I'm not keen on the Hornby account part either. As you mentioned, there's always the chance they might start charging for access in future or even worse, may abandon the project if it proves too costly. Hornby has a less that stellar record in this regard. It WILL be interesting to see how other chip makers respond.
Thanks Gerry. Yeah, it will be interesting to see how Zimo and ESU react to this. If Hornby can succeed in producing and selling lots of these it will have to have an impact on them.
Excellent review and really thought provoking. Thankyou Tim
Thanks Tim
Hi Euvi. As you said, modellers may have already invested quite heavily in DCC control equipment, so I suppose the BlueTooth/DCC duality may be useful, but I personally don't like controlling locos via a phone/tablet. However, I can see this will be an attractive option to many. You didn't specifically mention that the tinny quality of the sound was partly due to the fact that the speaker wasn't enclosed (although I suspect that many viewers already appreciate this). You mentioned that the selection of sound profiles seemed to be for TT locos, but from what I saw in your video, they seemed to be heavily weighted toward OO. Wow - that's some computing power (LOL)!
Hi Paul, I really want to do some sounds tests with a range of other speakers and profiles to see how the quality holds up but I'm stuck right now given the range of locos. The loco selection under 00 actually mirrors the early locos available in the TT range so I suspect Hornby prioritised creating the sound profiles for these accordingly. I have the Class 43 which would be a TXS - TTS comparison. The sugar cubes do struggle on the base side so they do need to be enclosed as you mentioned in order to be able to develop any decent base. If Hornby can get the Class 37 and 47s up there I'll be good to go on some comparative tests.
You can use the decoder with a normal DCC controller
@@phillcreasey1476 Yes, I know - thank you.
Looks a great system and everyone says how cheap it is because you don't have to buy an expensive controller. but by the time you have bought a Hornby decoder for each loco you own at £60 a time it is actually not cheap at all!
A move to DCC isn't cheap, and DCC sound even less so! With this system, you can always try it out on a few locos for starters at a low entry point which is useful.
@@EuviRail Not too bad on N Gauge but then no sound on 6 pin chip. But at €32 cheap to try for control. Only problem seems to be the chip size 21 pin and next 18 both quite large, don't know about N scale 6 pin but will soon find out as I am building a new layout with new Locos. Perhaps save on cost by just buying DCC ready rather than removing pre installed chips.
Hi EuviRail, Thanks for sharing your first experience with the TXS / HM7000 app. Most interesting ! I bought two 8-pin decoders but I'm awaiting the release of the Android app. I'll follow your advise to already sign up to a Hornby account. All in all it doesn't seem a 'plug and play' as one might think ! Hope the 'learning' curve is not that steep for my older - but young at heart - age. My hope is that this TXS will sound better and sync on the chuff rate for steam engines compared to the TTS decoders I installed in 90% of my fleet. (And quite pleased with the performance) For the moment I use - and will continue to use - the NCE Power Cab linked with the Wifitrax module and using the free but very versatile Engine Driver app. This will be a good reference to compare the HM7000 app. Considering easy CV setting and hopefully also the function mapping this will be a most existing new way to enjoy running trains. Success ! Cheers, Filip
Thanks Filip. It's not that bad complexity wise - it's just that there are steps you need to do first time out such as the firmware updates and downloading the sound profile. After that it's a lot easier. I went into the layout this morning, fired up the App, which straight away went looking for any registered devices. 10 secs later I was running my Class 73 from the phone without touching my DCC controller.
@@EuviRail Thanks for your kind reply ! I hope the Android version will be released soon. I made an account and I already had a look into the manuals. It's all very well explained. Success & happy model railroading.
All looking good... Just need to wait for the proper App and other sound profiles!!
Hi Mark, I'll been watching the profile list closely as well.
I like this idea from Hornby and because I do N scale. I will likely go for 6 pin and Next18 for my models I have. Most of them are N18 so that will be the way for me. I like the DCC legacy system compatibility as I will use this until Android support comes out. Or I might buy an older cheap Iphone just to use for BlueTooth DCC only. Great video as always Eugene. .
Thanks Ash. As per the video, I'd definitely opt for an alternative phone or tablet to run this on. I used my personal phone to get going with a couple of locos but I intend to switch as the loco count increases.
Good basic review. I rate these decoders and setting them up via the app, easier than installing a new printer! The odd sound functions you had is probably because you didn’t install the functions file when doing the profile install. If you go back to the install screen for the loco you can flash it across to the decoder and you should have diesel appropriate sounds and the jaunty horn should be more recognisable 😁
Even if you use the app to set up and tune decoders, load sounds and running profiles before switching across to traditional DCC operation, this is a phenomenally powerful tool that brings simplicity and access to any modeller with a recent (ish) smart phone or tablet for free. I have a decoder in a Piko TT120 loco and run on a Dynamis so cross compatibility is no problem at all @HighFell
Thanks for that.I agree the App is a more easier mechanism for setting up a loco, customising the CVs etc even if you don't use it for control. It's going to be so painful going back to the old way!
Very lnformativ l am still on anerlog l will give it a trie great video .
Thanks Joe and best of luck with it. I've had a few requests to show a TSX powered loco running on analog/DC so I'll be doing that.
Hi Eugene, I bought one of these decoders but as an android user left it sitting one my workbench. However after watching another channel last week I put it into a newly delivered Hornby class 91 and it works just like an ordinary decoder does. Except it seems to come pre-loaded with steam loco sounds. So these new decoders can be used straight away with a DCC controller while android users like me just having to wait for the new app to change to diesel loco sounds etc.
Hi James, you will always be asked to update the generic firmware on the decoder so I would always do this before running it but as you say there is a default profile on there so you can use that were a profile you were looking for isn't there yet. Hopefully you'll see the Android version in a few weeks.
I am waiting for the android version to come out. Im presently DC. I am giving this serious consideration. Thanks for showing . Cheers Paul.
Thanks Paul. I hope they get the Android version out pretty soon - a lot of folks waiting for it.
Hi, always enjoy your videos and I’m awaiting delivery of two of these HM7000 decoders. Quick question, if you’re wanting to control 2 or 3 trains at once, is it quite straight forward or is it possible to use multiple devices on the same login? Example being an iPhone & iPad so it’s like having a controller per loco. Cheers, Mark
Thanks Mark. I've been trying to use an older iPhone and iPad with the system but unfortunately both of them are on unsupported iOS releases that cannot be upgraded any further so the App fails on both of them. I don't believe there is any issue with having multiple supported devices for control. Now how it might arbitrate between two people attempting to control the same loco at the same time I cannot yet tell you.
Great review (as usual), I know that this is early days but do you think these decoders will be compatible with other brands of loco i.e. Heljan and Bachmann. As I live in France getting decoders with UK sound files can be difficult so it would be hugely advantageous to be able to purchase the decoder and then load the sound files via the app. For me this could be a real game changer just for the accessibility of the sound files!
Keep up the good work as these videos help immensely.
Paul
Thanks Paul, the Class 73 in the video is actually a Dapol loco. I need to test with a Bachmann and Accurascale. I don't have any other vendor's locos right now.
I think Hornby will need to sort out the glitches and make sure they push on making this system even better than it is now as I think a lot of people will invest in this system but they also need to look at the size of the TXS sound decoder for smaller locomotives to allow these locos to be able to fit sound de orders in smaller locos
Absolutely Andrew and some more profiles wouldn't go astray.
Great video, thank you!
I’m looking forward to some more interface testing and reviews, specifically traincontroller
Great episode, thanks so much
I want to record some full running sessions with locos using the system. This will tease out any major control problems. Will do a dedicated video on the relative sound performance once a few more diesel profiles are available.
Excellent piece, cheers.
Although I’ve found it easier to access on an iPad
Thanks Chris. Yes, I think an iPad would be a great option ti use this with.
Fitting HM7000 8 pin sound decoder to my A4. works OK with Gaugemaster DCC controller. I am waiting for Android App for the full experience.
Interested in how the Brake function works. My hope is I can set deceleration CV to high value (~50) so loco take a long time to slow down if I just use speed control. But slows down more rapidly when "applying the brakes".
I needed to know why they don’t dig a tunnel and do an extension for the main line Train so that they can extend the unused abandoned underground train stations.
Why couldn’t they use the part D78 Stock train doors on the sides and also restructure the front face of the A60 and A62 stock and that includes the class 313, class 314 and class 315 remix and make them all together and also redesign them an overhead line and also make them into Five cars per units and also having three Disabled Toilets on those Five cars per units A60 and A62 stock trains and also convert the A60 and A62 stock trains into a Scania N112, Volvo B10M, Gardner 6LXB, Gardner 6LXC and Gardner 8LXB Diesel Engines and also put the Loud 7-Speed Voith Gearboxes even Loud 8-Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Gearboxes in the A60 and A62 stock, class 313, class 314, and class 315 and also modernise the A60 and A62 stock and make it into an 11 car per unit so it could have fewer doors, more tables, computers and mobile phone chargers.
A Stock Trains and also having 8 Disabled Toilets on those A stock trains. why couldn’t we refurbish and modernise the waterloo and city line Triple-Track train tunnel and make it more Larger and extend it to the bank station, making it into a Triple-Track Railway Line so those Five countries such as Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden to convert the waterloo and city line Triple-Track Railway tunnel into a High-Speed Railway lines?
The Third Euro tunnel Triple-Track Railway line to make it 11 times better for passengers so they could go from A to B. then put the modernised 11 car per unit A Stock and put them on a bigger modernised waterloo and city line Triple-Track train tunnel so it could go to bank station to those Five countries such as Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden. The modernised refurbished 11 cars per unit A stock could be a High Speed The Third Triple-Track Euro Tunnel Train So it is promising and 47 times a lot more possible to do this kind of project if that will be OK for London Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden.
oh by the way, could they also tunnel the Triple-Track Railway Line so it will stop from Buckinghamshire, Hertfordshire and Essex so that the Passengers will go to Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland and Sweden and also extend the Triple-Track Railway Line from the Bank to Buckinghamshire, Hertfordshire and Essex Stations so that more people from there could go to Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden more Easily.
Why couldn't they extend the Piccadilly line and also build a brand-new underground train station so it could go even further right up to Clapton, Wood Street can they also make another brand new underground train stations in Chingford and could they extend the Piccadilly Line and the DLR right up to Chingford?
All of the classes 150, 155, 154, 117, 114, 105, and 106, will be replaced by all of the Scania N112, Volvo B10M, Gardner 6LXB, Gardner 6LXC and Gardner 8LXB Diesel Five carriages three disabled toilets are air conditioning trains including Highams Park for extended roots which is the Piccadilly line and the DLR trains.
Could you also convert all of the 1973 stock trains into an air-conditioned maximum speed 78 km/hours (48 MPH) re-refurbished and make it into a 8 cars per unit if that will be alright, and also extend all of the Piccadilly train stations to make more space for all of the extended 8 car per unit 1973 stock air condition trains and can you also build another Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive Companies and can they order Every 37 Octagon and Every 17 Hexagon shape LNER diagram unique small no.13 and unique small no.11 Boilers from those Countries such as Greece, Italy, Poland, and Sweden, can they make Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive speeds by up to 142MPH so you can try and test it on the Original Mainline so it will be much more safer for the Passengers to enjoy the 142MPH speed Limit only for HS2 and Channel Tunnel mainline services, if they needed 16 Carriages Per units, can they use those class 55’s, class 44’s, class 40’s and class 43HST Diesel Locomotive’s right at the Back of those 18 Carriages Per Units so they can take over at the Back to let those Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive’s have a rest for those interesting Journeys Please!!!!!!!, oh can you make all of those Coal Boxes’s 17 Tonnes for all of those 142MPH Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive’s so the Companies will Understand us PASSENGER’S!! so please make sure that the Builders can do as they are told!!!!! And please do something about these very very important Professional ideas Please? Prime Minister of England, Prime Minister of Australia, Prime Minister of Sweden, Prime Minister of Germany, Prime Minister of Italy, Prime Minister of Poland and that Includes the Mayor of London.
Good review as usual 👍 I hope that this works well for hornby as it’s a big step forward, I’m looking forward to your review of these decoders with a decent speaker attached to hear how good or bad the quality of the sound files are as they seem to be very reasonably priced. The only OO models I have are Hattons class 66’s and Accurascale Deltics all sound fitted and all the rest of my models are HO European and North American so I have to stick with Loksound, just wish they weren’t so expensive.
Thanks John, I'm waiting now for profiles for some of the locos I actually have to test the sound files - I can then do an apples for apples with the same speaker as I have on the original loco. It should be interesting...
As my layout is DC only I would be interested in how the HM7000 works on DC. I only have a Class55 that is DCC-ready. My understanding is that if you set the train controllers on full power you can use HM 7000. I am currently working on my first Layout board after a six-year wait. (Finance) So by the time it is ready there will be some testing on DC. Thank you for making this video. Martin. (Thailand)
Hi Martin, for my DC test, I cranked up my Bachmann power controller to maximum and was able to control the model including sound via the App. As I mentioned in the video, there can be problems with certain DC controllers that use Pulse Width Modulation so I would a check through the documentation to make sure you start out on the right footing. Apart from that, you will have a DCC level of control from the App. Best of luck with the layout.
Well done hornby looks to be a brilliant system buy as you said not enough diesels.......................tony
Thanks Tony. I'm waiting for those diesels .....
Good one . Again a well thought out video . I operate DC , so I am interested in using this as a possible entry into DCC sound . So I am interested . How did you find sound and speed operating on DC . Was the sound or speed compromised? I appreciate you were using a Bachmann Controller . Mine is a Gaugemaster one , so may be affected by PWM . I take it you just turned your controller to max and used the app to control . Would be great to see video of operation on DC
Hi Russell, I didn't notice any differences on DC and I'd say that part of that is down to the Bachmann Controller which gives a pretty "clean" voltage. I used it on max power alright with the App set for Bluetooth control. I intend to do some running sessions of locos I've covered previously in videos so that a direct comparison can be done. A DC run makes sense so watch this space!
i think the issue when down
loading fitmware update are server and speed likely server.
and if one has a wifi then issue is more a server one.
but in any case switch of any android tv and apple tv boxes those can slow down the speeed some what.
that i think is a small issue but a speed one in your home wifi network.
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Thanks for the review, I also have railmaster elink I presume when you have programmed the decoder via Bluetooth and switch it over to DCC control, do you have to put the locomotive back on the programming track for RM to read all the CV’s ?
Hi, I do all of the CV reading and writing using Bluetooth which is really handy. I mix my loco control between BT and DCC.
RM elink won’t read CV when switching over from Bluetooth to DCC… just isn’t finding the decoder on its database ? Have the Bluetooth settings disabled on the app… ?
Thanks Eugene, especially for the tips. I’ve now also watched the related videos by Simon’s Shed and Jenny Kirk, plus checked out the Hornby Forum, so am gaining a rounded picture.
A very basic question if I may, please. For my DC layout I’m thinking it would be easier to buy a Hornby transformer cable and link this directly to the track if I want to run locos with Hornby’s Bluetooth decoders, retaining my Gaugemaster controller if, at other times, I wanted to run my ‘heritage’ analogue fleet. Do you have to use the Hornby track connector Rail when using their transformer or is there a simpler way of connecting without having to rip up my existing track to insert this?
Hi Will, there is no need to use the connector. This is only for convenience. If you soldered drops from the rails, you can connect to these. I've been using Wago connectors to tie this into the main bus bar under the layout. You can get them with 2,3 or more terminals. They remove the need for soldering or screwing.
@@EuviRail Many thanks Eugene. On the lack of profiles, I see Hornby has now released 16 of the original 35 listed in their 2023 catalogue, plus ‘Flying Scotsman (040) and a Class 56 (042). Looks promising.
@@Teesbrough I was crying out for the Class 800 - may have to wait a bit.... In fairness, the App has only been out for a week so what's there is a reasonable start.
android app is with us now (phew) as i will not venture into the dark side of life with any apple product.
My 8 pin TXS decoder works like a dream especially when run from an onboard battery. True dead rail running 'just like the real thing' as we all should be running. No more track cleaning, dead spots, dodgy points, reversing loop modules, no magic boxes to keep the polarity correct on points, real use of the track 'just like the real thing'.
Excellent. Yeah, it's great to be freed from all the hassles you mentioned. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for the video EuviRail. The bits I do like about the HM7000 though are the free sound profiles and the CV management, but not sure I am convinced yet that I want to use my phone to control the locomotives. Do you know if the HM7000 decoders are supporting features like block detection and ABC (automatic brake control)?
Hi Chris, I haven't seen any mention of block control with HM7000 though ABC support is reference in the manual - check pages 104-106. I'm definitely going to move off my phone for this to an older iPad mini I have.
Hello Euvi, have you tried putting a HM7000 into a class 800? I am getting a significant humming from the motor at slow speed.
Hi Thomas, I've been waiting for the Class 800 sound profiles to be released so that I can do a full running session with the new decoders so I haven't done anything with them yet. Have you run your Class 800 on the same electrical circuit previously or is this the first time out? Some locos will give a humming sound with Hornby's low cost Analog controller due to the pulse width modulated voltage it delivers. The documentation does advise that controllers than use PWM can interact with the sound output on the TXS decodes but I guess you're not testing a sound version of the decoders?
I can`t even work my Android phone. Won`t have much chance of working blue tooth (whatever that is) Elite was trouble enough
If you dont use a power bank the bluetooth drops out on any breaks in power like dirty track or points.
Yeah, I've got away without it for the larger heavier locos (CO-CO diesels) but lighter models will run into trouble for sure and for bluetooth, the recovery time is worse than for DCC.
Does anybody know if the App can be installed on more than one phone/device?
Very interesting, thank you. I also use e-Link and Railmaster. Did you use the power straight from the e-Link to provide power to the track when running the decoder in Bluetooth mode, or did you use the R7337 4 amp transformer ?
Thanks Stuart. I'm using the 4 Amp transformer coming through the eLink controller. The eLink is driving the track. I did test it with and without Railmaster running and had that same initial issue.
I run Irish railways so sound is going to be difficult until someone makes a devic to reload the Hornby sound files. On the other hand just running with DCC non sound decoders for a while might be worth a try
I intend to do a test with one of my A-Class locos. No proper sound of course though I'll load one of the supported profiles to see it all in action on one of these models.
@@EuviRail I have a 567 121 class and an early A as I model the early 60s
@@dawdawes Two top models . I love the early Model As even though I don't generally model that period. There's just something about them.
Eugene, I'd be interested to see how this stacks up against the Soundtraxx Blunami??? Andy.
Thanks Andy. I'll put that on the test list. Right now, only the Class 66 profile is common to the two systems so I'd like to see the 37 and 47 for example and also compare these to their Loksound equivalents.
Good one, See loads more videos popping up now. Seems to be a rush to get the vids out asap. It is easy to switch between locos?
Hi George, yes it's very easy to switch though I only have experience with up to 3 locos so far so it could be more complicated with more. Go to 9:10 on the video. Above the function list you see Address#3 / New Loco appear twice. These are actually two different locos appearing on a scrollable ribbon. I just hadn't edited the defaults yet. Later in the video I replace "New Loco" with the loco no. The active loco is highlighted in yellow and you just click on the ID/Name to select the active loco.
I'll give it a try once the Android version is available, I'm not about to run out and buy an iPhone 😂
It was released on both Android and IOS so you can put your order in today!
@@paultolman2832 Are you sure, I can't see it in the Play store yet?
Seems a bit strange to release it to isnobs only initially when the majority of potential customers will be Android users.
@@paultolman2832 Android version isn't out yet.
@@GDGRailway47712 Yes but Apple is a consistent hardware platform. Android phones/tablets are made by a variety of manufacturers and have to port Android to their phones. Covering all of the bases in Android is a bigger task. I am an Android user, I will not be rushing out to get an iPhone, either new or second hand. In fact I have an old HTC in my desk drawer, I'll probably try that before my daily OnePlus.
Can you control directional lights and cab lights thanks
Hi Andrew, both can be controlled on the simpler locos. I've yet to test with locos that have more complex lighting - waiting for the sound profiles. Will probably just test on one of the existing profiles at this stage.
Sams Trains says they are TOO BIG , especially the NEXT 18 , is this the case?
Hi, I don't have any NEXT18 locos or decoders so I can't comment on that. I've yet to have a fit issue with the 8-pin or 21-pin decoders. The 21-pin decoder is the same size as a Loksound 5 for example so if there's a fit issue with that you won't fit a Loksound 5 either. Most of the locos Sam's Trains was testing on should have had 6 or 8-pin decoder sockets in my opinion but as I say I'm in the NEXT18 world so I just don't have the experience with these decoders.
I just hope the app has zero connection to China servers
Another good reason not to use your main phone - just in case.
@@EuviRail When you start to investigate how some apps are basically info gathering on what your up to I'm really surprised how so many people don;t understand the huge invasion of privacy they can be connected with. Gets back to that idea is it's free you're the product
can this system convert locos to on-board battery power?
Hi Rob, not officially. The challenge to do it yourself would be the need to create an equivalent to the DC track voltage (12 - 16V) so you'd need a suitably sized Lipo battery with say a 12V-14V output. A heavy loco can draw between 200-300mA so the battery would need to be capable of delivering that. More efficient locos can be in the 150mA range but the size and running resistance of your rake will increase the current drawn. Fitting such a battery into your loco will be the challenge. Railroad locos are more or less empty inside so there about the only ones with the room for a largish battery.
Have installed decoader but it doesn't move and no sound 8 plan dcc fitted in hornby colas rail help please
Hi Bob, the first three things to check 1) you have the latest version of the HM7000 App on your phone, 2) you have the correct power on your track, either DCC or DC turned up to the maximum and 3) that you have updated the firmware in your decoder. After step 1 and 2 you should at least be able to connect to the decoder but you can at least use the App to upgrade the firmware - it should prompt you to do this and then it's a matter of following the instructions on the App.
Having seen there could be some issues with the size of the 21 pin, do you have the new Dapol Class 59 as I was wondering if the 21 pin decoder will fit in. Thanks
Hi, I can't say I'm afraid as I just got notice from Hattons yesterday that my Gaugemaster Special Edition Class 59 was delayed until 2024 - a year late. I was due to review it this month but I'm not sure if I'm even going to go ahead with it now. I've seen some murmurings regarding size issues on some locos so I need to do so some screening now on my existing collection. I've only tested the 8-pins on Hornby Class 47 and 60s and the 21-pin on the Dapol Class 73. Now that you've prompted me, I think I need to do a quick check through my collection of 21-pin based locos even if the sound profiles aren't there yet for them.
@@EuviRail Thanks for the reply. The reply I received from Dapol wasnt very helpful so I think I am going to have to buy one and see if it fits. I also need to be sure the Hornby decoder is a 6 Function decoder as stated in the Dapol manual (which isnt great at all on fitting a decoder or speaker )
I can't find anything clear cut but do these support things like ABC (Automatic Brake Control)?
Hi Andrew, it is - at least to a point. Check out pages 50 and 106 of the manual - support.hornby.com/hc/en-gb/articles/6430131748114-HM7000-HM-DCC-Instruction-Manuals
Cant get the app to link to the chip blue tooth is on help!!!
Can you control the TXS decoders with a standard DCC system?
Yes you can. Looks like you need to switch control in the hm7000 ap first though. You'd probably want to configure in hm7000 app anyway though.
@@ianbraddick8337 Right OK. I was just a bit concerned as I have pre ordered a DP1 and P2 Prince of Wales which I am fairly certain have TXS decoders in them, and I don’t plan to buy this system. How will I configure in the HM7000 app without the HM7000 basestation?
@@bennickss there is no 'bastation'.. all you need is the App. But you can still use on your existing controller; although useful to have the app to fine-tune locos CVs etc
No base station. Just the free app. And not free phone!
@@davidkirkbride4288 well I have plenty of old tech phones in the cupboard somewhere!! I plan on utilizing one rather than my current device.
Does this system support ABC (Automatic Brake Control)?
Managed to answer my own question - which is ABC is supported.
I notice that many of the sound files promised for 2023 have not yet appeared…..
@@martinhuckle7308 I have seen some references that it may not be supported on the non-sound Bluetooth decoders though this could have been an earlier firmware limitation that has since been resolved? Personally I've only been using the sound versions which do support it as you've discovered.
It's useless if it dont fit in most locos limited sound files and no simple option to add stay alive so while the concept is ingenious its dumb witingly excited as per usual from hornby
Questions ;-
1) Range with Bluetooth...? I have a layout fifty feet long.....and previously didn't opt for the Bachmann Bluetooth system as I was concerned about range.
2) I also have a spur into the garden, with it going some 150' - 200' from base. Presumably, this Bluetooth system simply wouldn't work.....?
I've done some testing around the house (2 storey, 4 Bed + train room) and it will work from within any room within the main footprint of the house which means worst case it's traversing a single block wall and a floor and ~20-25 ft. Once I step into the utility and another wall comes into play it's gone. Hard to say how well this translates into uninterrupted distance. I'd say 50ft with line of sight will probably work but 150-200' in the garden would be out of range. The limited size of the decoder and hence the Bluetooth antenna is a limiting factor here.
I wonder if it will expand into N gauge?
I'm kind of suspecting not given that N Gauge could be seen as a competitor to TT:120. Hornby's priority will definitely be to service their own 00 and TT ranges first. Good question though.