RX 5700 XT - Is Overclocking / Undervolting Worth it?
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Dude thank you so much, I've watch prolly 20 reviews and not a single person show the card running, just benchmarks... I wanted to HEAR the card run for my self. THANK YOU very much
Coreteks showed that. And described it. "The fan on full load sounds like a jet taking off"
Hardware Canucks did what you ask
Hearing a fan in a video is completely useless though.
It's not that loud if you don't manually set the fan speed to 100%. Under normal conditions it stays around 40-50%.
18°C ambient temperature. My dream.
xD
Living in tropical country, yes that's my dream too. Every day the temperature can kick out from 32° to 35° C
@ 2:14 - i'm dumb, that would be exhaust, it's blocked anyway. Carry on.
thx for the correction, because your the 3rd big youtuber who called that an intake and i really started to despair
who on earth came up with this?
You fool, you fell victim to one of the classic blunders! Neither card draws air in nor do they pull air out of that spot, if you take a look inside from pictures online for example, you can see how the fan guide blocks off any flow from that spot making it useless for cooling. Unless the baseplate can get heat traveled to that spot thouhg that doesnt seem to happen.
Thanks for making a video that goes beyond just benching the cards and gives us an impression of the noise level too! We need more videos like this.
this channel is like that friend that is always slick, knows how to talk to girls and humble !
Right On mate.. Without wasting time or just sitting for the super cards to arrive, you made a pretty interesting and helpful video with the card.. Exact reason why i subbed to your channel, the uniqueness and the top notch presentation.. 👍
I really like the "dented" look there
Has a very 80s retro feeling
Probably the best review out right now.
I cannot wait to get mine. It seems like it will run actually semi cool even OC'd with the fans at 100%. Seeing as I have a ton of ambient noise already, they will always be at 100%.
I am very excited!!
Omg me too, ordered mine today !
@@saminavy7124 Ordered my 50th Anniversary Edition yesterday. :)
@@mallowpuff2649 nice man, would love to hear how it performs and I love the shroud
@@saminavy7124 Sure thing! I was hoping to see some reviews on it but it looks like no reviewers got them early.
@@mallowpuff2649 I figured, haven't seen any reviews. I'm sure it won't disappoint especially after the price cut but keep in mind this helps AMD put the bit of money on RnD too!
Will wait for the product to mature a little more. Good honest review 😎👍
Very informative video! Thank you. I'm looking forward to some benchmarks with the aib cards.
thank you for the undervolting information.. i heard that it had high thermals and that made me skeptical on actual overclocks
Thanks for the benchmarks. Vega 64 UV reference user here on a dan case with a corsair sf600 psu. I was contemplating for an 5700xt upgrade but ill just hold off till the next gen navi comes up. Its faster than the vega 64 but not by much once UV is applied.
It's faster than the Vega 64 only by 20-25 fps, I think the Vega 64 should last you for the coming 2-3 generations of GPUs... The only thing unimpressive about Vega is it's power draw, except that everything is fine...
2:11
No, it's closed internally. And still, it would be an exhaust if open.
Also that is not part of the heatsink. All of it is just for looks like old Nvidia cards.
Great video man! I'd really like to see a review by you of the Sharkoon c10 or QbOne cases, since they're fairly cheap and support 240mm AIO. Keep up the good work! Cheers!
The GPU looks like it's been crushed in postal office
Yeah though why every card is damaged 😂
@@faaizaslam8778 Like here in Finland: i.redd.it/5b1f2ut4uuey.jpg
@@StaticVapour590 XD exactly
Why? The die seems pretty normal for me.
@@Honkarakiri r/whoosh
Probably one of the best reviews on yt. Thanks !
5 fps behind rtx2080 in Farcry5...for half the price
litle misstake - 5 fps behind gtx1080 not rtx2080, its not same GPUs
@@m00n177 checked it again. Still only 5 fps behind 2080...
@@gembalaartoni well... looks like true, but no body buy 2080 any more. +100$ = 2070s. In future you cn save that 100$ by electricity bill
@@m00n177 did you watch the reviews,they use the same amount of power now,dont be a blind fanboy,i like nvidia and amd,but amd is simply better now
@@nikolaantic8943 im not fanboy, and i didnt like Huang like all of you, but 2070S simply better then 5700xt. If 5700xt better in 1 of 10 games, this is not victory.
Thumps Up for this first oc and undervolt video 👍
The only reviews I really trust! Good work 😎
I think the best way to run these things would be with the best undervolt you can get, and maybe even a slight underclock, and also activating Radeon Chill. It should really quiet this thing down and performance should still be very good and still just trailing on the 2070 Super.
@Optimum Tech great video thank you and I am a first time watcher and this video got a sub from me.
I was impressed where these new AMD cards are willing to run at for clock speeds hitting over 2GHz is very good for a Radeon card. I have a Vega56 flashed to Vega 64 bios for the extra voltage for the memory and extra OC room after the flash. I used ot be impressed with my Vega because of it being able to hit around 1810MHz on peaks and sustain around 1755-1790MHZ and memory peaking out at 1150MHz for the HBM2 I run it at 1075MHz now. These new RX 5700 cards do this and more all the while using less power.
When I seen where a stock Vega 56 sits in the bench marks I just kinda snicker and looked over at my Vega 56/64 card in the system and go you better never go that low or it's the side walk for you dude...lol I swear I hear a small wimper and get a slight FPS increase for a few seconds after saying that...lol all kidding aside great video and I am now a subscriber to your channel...thank you.
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About the coolers one way to look at it is this. A blower cooler might be louder but at the same time it is also dumping all of that hot air out the back of the system case. A cooler such as the one on the RTX cards and any other card that has dual or triple fans just dumps all of that hot air inside the case which heats up everything else including the CPU cooler which makes the CPU run hotter as well. Which cooler do I prefer the dual or triple fans ones of coarse they are quieter. If I could not get good air movement in my case I would take the louder blower cooler any day though since 85% of the heat built up while the system is running is removed for you by the blower cooler. On my own system my card has dual fans and tries to dump the hot air into my case but I made it so it now dumps it out the side of the case which dropped temps by a huge amount in the case so I get the best of both worlds I guess.
waiting for non ref cards.....
The locked fan curve was a bug in the amd software that has since been patched. Probably should look into making a revision video sometime
As of 22.7.1, best driver settings:
1. Set Core Clock to 2000 MHz
2. Set Voltage to 1.111V. Navi voltages works in 0.006V increments. Setting 1.106-1.112 sets 1.112. Sometimes the driver is iffy and 1.112 might jump to 1.118. That's why 1.111V is best.
3. Memory: Mostly ... DON'T touch it. RDNA1 is weird and AMD chose to use a mix of memory modules AT THE SAME TIME on the same board with different timings (Samsung + Hynix for example). Memory OC is extremely unstable. You can usually do 1840 MHz, but IT WILL crash eventually.
4. For temps, you only need to worry about TJunction. Officially, RDNA1 is rated to Thermal Throttle past 115C on the TJ. In my experience, the card starts misbehaving at 108C on the TJ. So keep that in mind.
5. Power Limit is mostly pointless. RDNA1 (or 5700 XT anyway) is not Power Limited. It's Thermal Limited. You'll never hit Power Limits using the 1.2V max default. Power Limits are only useful when using MorePowerTools to unlock core clock and voltage limits.
Fan: Set it manually to whatever you're comfortable with. Most 5700 XT have FanStop up to 50C on the Edge temps (not TJ). Setting fan to 100% actually allows it to boost to 103%. FanStop actually gets disabled when setting a manual fan curve. It only works on Automatic.
Minimum manually set Voltage can be set to 0.750V. This allows 1350 MHz clocks. Auto voltage actually goes down to 0.725V, but you can't manually set that unfortunately.
RDNA1 loses 3 fps (on the dot) for every 100 MHz between 2300 MHz down to about 1700. Not percentage, just 3 fps. Very bizare.
Great video. Good testing, good data, good comparisons and explaination of data, good edits. Thank you. Top video in all of youtube.
Hi, thanks for the good and informative video.
Is this the highest result you could achieve, or is there some oc headroom left by increasing the fan speed?
I know nobody would want to live with an extreme loud gpu but if you could go higher than ~2100 Mhz it could be considerable to swap out the cooler to a watercooler / Morpheus or to wait for aftermarket cards.
Thanks in advance.
Re "intake", the visible bit of heatsync on the backs of the cards (Nvidia included) are solely for style and are physically disconnected from air paths and even heat sources
Good video, exactly what I was looking for.
The heatsink on the front is just for show. Gamers Nexus did a teardown of this card and showed that.
Great OC review Thanks.
The intake of the blower fan is on the top / center of the fan. All other directions are exhaust.
The intake is from the blower only, no air comes in the other end. Even if it wasn’t blocked on the inside which it is, it would be an exhaust.
Finally someone I agree with as far as looks go lol. I love the visual design for AMDs founders cards. Minimilast and moder looking. Love it. A white or super light grey would be super cool too but the greys already look great with no two tones or "gamer" color schemes that look like a dirt bike part or 400 hard angles haha
Thanks for the underclocking info, I just bought one of these monsters.
The cooler really isn't as bad as everyone makes it out to be, it's definitely audible but in my Corsair Air 240 the noise is not intrusive nor "like a jet engine" as some hypelord reviewers claim.
Thanks for this. I bought one, rather than wait as i got a 20% discount with the ebay party event, and knowing third party will likely cost extra anyhow, thought the plunge was worth it! All i hear is that your house will catch fire, and you'll go deaf in the process with the xt, so this was good to hear lol!
@@lhorbrum1818 I'm happy with mine, two and a half hours of Witcher 3 1440p Ultra and the air coming out the back of the card was only slightly warm.
I usually play with headphones but the last couple days I've been using desk speakers and I still feel the noise level in my case is perfectly acceptable. Sure, I can hear it but it's only slightly louder than my corsair ML120 fan.
Man, I'm blown away by the blower
2:12 just so you know the heatsink on that side isn't used for intake
in the gamer'snexus teardown it was blocked off from the fan
I’d love to see you pull it apart and put on a different heat sink or water cooling and see how that helps.
Fantastic card. The fact that it trades blows with the 1080 ti is enough for it to be great. Let's remember that screen resolutions aren't going up as GPUs are becoming more powerful, so a $400 card that's that fast is absolutely amazing. Can't wait for AIBs
I think we can safely assume the AIB versions will be significantly more expensive. This has been the case with every single release in recent memory, and in some cases the AIB cooling solution was nearly £100 more than the blower!
Would you mind trying an aftermarket solution like the Morpheus you should have around to simulate an AIB model and see how the card behaves?
Also interested in compatibility in general, seeing as Polaris GPUs had contact issues with the Morpheus and this is a pretty similar die.
I'm planning on getting this with the Rx 5700 and the R 5 3600 for my second build so this video was great
Same, maybe I even go for the Ryzen 5 3600X and the RX 5700 XT
@@Felix-ve9hs that's like an extra £175 and you can just OC the CPU to match the 3600x and I don't really need the XT, its a bit overkill for my monitor
@@Charlie-et4td i think i will go with the RX 5700 XT (419€) instead of the RX 5700 (369€) and the Ryzen 5 3600 (209€) - the 3600X (265€) is just 5% faster but costs 56€ / 27% more.
And I really want the XT - this way I can get really insane with AA and VSR :)
AMD have confirmed custom cards for August for anyone who cares.
This launch would have been awesome with custom cards day 1...
Custom are being released in mid-August. MSI confirmed its lineup today...
Hi Ali! can you show the difference between blower temps and open air in ghost s1 (or any sff case). Thx and good work.
Very nice review. As expected, these cards with custom coolers look amazing as they easily run over 2GHz when temps and power aren't an issue. One question, this is just core overclock with memory untouched?
He said in the video it's 2110mhz core target and that he upped memory clock to 920mhz. stock is 1750mhz so i guess when you multiply that 920mhz by 2 you get the actual memory clock which is a tad higher than stock.
So best to wait for after market cooler version and then undervolt it anyway, cause, that would lower the temp even more ?
You're Australian? Turn out my favorite tech youtubers are Australian. You, Hardware Unboxed and Jarrod Tech. Also Ozzyman for the craziness.
How did they upload video? That would take some hours ( shitty australia internet.)
How do this card intake in the back man? Im pretty sure it is an extra exhaust. hardwarecannucks said the same thing but how is the fan suppused to draw air in there when it throws it out 360°?
But still good video!
dang 110c junction temp with a 18c room after market cards where you at
Well the 5700xt is an improvement in my books as compared to Vega and tx 580 and 5900.
When Overclocking this card you should probably have a hard look at the gpu junction temperature,
it tends to get much hotter than the gpu temp depending on the load.
I can bench heaven all day and have over 2100 mhz, but when I benchmark timespy I sometimes hit the the gpu junction temp
limit and the card downclocks.
The fan has an air channel to force air into the fin array and it doesn't actually pull air from the rear.
Unless there is some venturi trickery going on, I would expect both sides of the gpu to be exhaust, a blower fan, also known as centrifugal fan, flings air outwards from the center and needs a shroud to be directionnal.
Can you add a good aftermarket GPU cooler like a morpheus 2 or arctic accellero 3 and try again? It would be a nice test.
Drivers buggy w wattman adjustments on navi atm ?
wow! nice work, 75c by undervolt with same performance!
Same here lol
Would be awesome if you could test it with the morpheus II !!!
I know it's logical and we learned this at school but it still didn't get to me that on the southern hemisphere winter is when we have summer and vice versa...mindblown
note that the end is _not_ intake, it's purely aesthetic.
I have found that this card (although I have the XFX Thicc 3) when overclocked doesn't show any instability until about an hour or two of gameplay, after many frustrating game crashes late in gaming sessions, an "auto" undervolt while leaving the rest of the settings as stock (this card targets 2094 Mhz while sitting 2033ish during actual gameplay with 1750Mhz RAM freq.) has resulted in great stability, while keeping fan's under 35% usage. Temps are stable around 75 degree current temp, and I have been more than happy with this result. Any additional overclocking has not been worth the marginal fps gains imho. Please let me know if you have had different results.
The fins at the end near the fan isn't connected to the air shaft. Its just for looks
3:35 I like how you did changed 2 photos, trying to make it to be not noticeable. Next time try to make the graph animated in Adobe After Effects.
Do any 3rd parties make an improved blower style cooler? Would be nice to be able to exhaust all the heat out of the back, especially for those with smaller mITX cases.
Can you please set the fan to 100% and see if you get higher clocks? This would simulate the better cooler of a better cooler so we don't have to guess.
I prefer 60 fps locked, this combined with a slight uv would decrease temps a bit more, right?
heatsink in the front is no intake - there is no connection to the fan shroud (GN broke (literally) down a mechanical sample)
If cool air is being blown though the front does the thermals drop?
But in terms of raw value, it's a better buy than the Radeon VII, cost to performance and efficiency. Good video tho
Great cards and yes i am gonna buy a custom 5700 XT to replace my old r290 tri-x
Nexus gamer just did a teardown, the air intake at the back is fake,
Yeah that was sad to see
Hardware Canucks said the same about the rear "intake" and the lack of it on the 5700 vanilla on their unboxing video (which was taken down). Gamers Nexus implied something similar. Please, can anybody explain to me how on Earth a centrifugal (blower) fan can intake air from the "rear" of the card? FFS, is not that hard to understand how it works...
@@andibiront2316 people are easily fooled. Before I knew that was fake, I was quite confused as how that worked
@@ExylonBotOfficial Why.... even if there was an air intake, it would actually reduce performance of that fan...? Airflow requires restriction to be directed. If the front was open it would just push less air out of both sides....
@@suttsy3364 Yeah but they shouldn't trick people into thinking that there's another intake
The exposed heatsink does nothing its just for style, put your hand on it there's no airflow. A blower style fan only sucks in air from the face of it and if the vent on the front was open it would blow out instead.
So i gave this a watch as I have a 5700 XT. Now i am a bit green on amd software but currently i run with the OC slider maxed out, a slightly more aggressive fan curve than stock and memory at stock. No undervolt.
Things seem to run okay and cool enough but im unsure if i should adjust my settings to match the video or what my appoach should be. Am i losing performance with my settings?
Lets say i do 2110 as is the in video OC. Can that OC be undevolted? Also should i run the 2040 with the power slider at 0 or 50? Or should i stick with what I have?
I'm gonna build a system with this card when the waterblocks come out. It looks very promising since the trashy cooler is limiting its potential.
according to Gamer Nexus..the driver are broke, we gonna have to come back to this in the future.
drivers from amd are broke, installed last night for an rx480 and it cause a hole bunch of crazyness had to DDO and reinstall
While I agree, people have these GPUs in their system right now, it's worth taking a look at. Same thing happened with Radeon VII - Wattman was never optimized.
@@optimumtech i only meant that in the future we gonna see how it improved not that you were wrong about creating video on it now.
@@BrotherO4 my apologies man, comment sections are hostile af these days
@@optimumtech understandable
Afte power mod this sucker flies! 💨
How does it competes with Vega 56/64 & RX 580 ? Is it worthy to go for it..??
Any chance that you will make a video where you put the g12 kranken on the 5700xt??
was waiting for it
I don't understand why blower coolers are being used still. SFF cases are far more efficient now and no-one is using multi-GPU setups. It's in these two instances the blower cooler makes sense. It seems to me the only reason left is budget. Or maybe the AIB partners have asked AMD not to release dual fan designs so that they can sell their own variants. Then again, if that's true, if Sapphire, ASUS, Powercolor, etc actually had cards on day-one release, most people would choose them over the AMD-branded models directly from AMD.
I feel its closer to the budget reasons. If they did SFF cases they would probably have to charge above $399 and that wouldn't look good for there traditional marketing being about solid budget. This way their AIB partners can take make efficient upgrades while making AMD look good. Cant wait for Sapphire to launch there version. xD
It looks like AIB models can make RX 5700 XT look great in temps. noise and oc/uv headroom.
It`s all depends on pricing though
AIB will be a lot more expensive. I remember when Vega was new, and AIB were pricing their cards £100-£200 higher than the reference designs!
Test with the Morpheus and Accelro Xtreme.
PS. Can you tell us if the Morpheus will fit in the QBX case (maybe with slim fan)?
@MarcoC978 I've seen some conflicting statements on reddit posts.
I was able to fit an Acellero Xtreme III in mine, and it looks like there is maybe room to squeeze the Morpheus in, possibly having to go with 15mm fans attached to the case.
Either you got a pretty good 5700XT, or mine is pretty bad, I can't undervolt more than about -50mv before it crashes. It does give me (at least subjectively) very good boost clocks at roughly 1150mv, seeing consistently over 1905mhz but Wattman seems to break when you mess with power settings on Navi right now.
I’m getting the card this monday. Partner 5700 xt’s here in the philippines cost around $500(P25000) with the nitro+ and strix go as high as $600(P30000). The cheapest I found was a reference xfx rx 5700 xt at $460(P23000). I also found a bykski waterblock for $90(P4500). Now I’m thinking of water cooling and adding it in my existing loop(240 rad for the cpu). Do you guys think a 120 rad would be on par, at least temperature wise, with the stock blower while being quieter? Reason for a 120rad is because I cant fit a 240 rad on my matx case without any serious modification. It would set me back maybe around $110-$120 additional cost for the waterblock, rad, additional fittings and tubing (all items branded under either bykski or barrow) bringing the total cost to around $600. My cpu peaks around 60C when streaming+gaming, if that matters. I dont plan on overclocking the gpu, or maybe a little if a get better temps than the blower.
Could you please tell me the monitor your are using in this video and the wallpaper too. It looks like those apple pro xdr display. I know it's not but I'd like to know. Please.
It's an Alienware AW2518HF (1080p, TN, 240Hz).
I've swapped the stand to a generic Dell VESA stand for smaller footprint on my desk.
@@optimumtech damn now thats one hell of a desk setup.
This card is awesome. Replaced my Asus Strix 2080 with the 5700XT. Works perfectly still with my aw3418dw monitor as the IPS also helps.
No cooler ?? u using the reference cards ?? or AIB ?
@@fury5253 no need cooler. I have a cpu kraken x62. The reference card is running solo and works perfectly. It runs hotter than a third party card but I can see why the reference cards run hotter it's because it traps all the hot air in the reference card and exits the air from the back where is the third-party cards have multiple fans and they're pretty much open and they exit the heat into the PC case. I have the 5700 XT anniversary edition
@@wangyrn Nic i know it :) now i can whole heartedly buy the 5700xt card
@@fury5253 get the anniversary edition as it's just a tiny bit faster. I'd say I don't care about rtx anymore. The graphics and sharpness on these AMD cards are superb and their performance is really good. I don't get super low fps anymore as I did with the RTX cards since I turned on dlss, Ray tracing. I realized I don't miss rtx at all. I just wanted higher playable fps and a card that won't dump heat into my nzxt H700 case. This card does run hotter than third party cards but it's meant to be hotter because the heat exits the rear. I'd rather have the heat blow out of the case than into the case. I know this 5700XT anniversary edition will last me for a while. I'm using a gsync monitor with the card and because the fps is high and really good I don't get tearing at all and because it's a IPS panel I don't get smearing.
@@wangyrn Nice , but im gonna go with sapphire 5700xt pulse as its only 10 dollars more and has a better cooling tech ( gets minus 30 degrees than the reference ) this way i guess the card would last longer with some 10% better performance for a small extra amount , though thanx for ur info bro , means a lot :)
Two things here. Not all blower fans are loud and hot. I have a GYX980 FE here that is a lot quieter than my Gigabyte GYX1070 OC with the Gigabyte twin fan cooler on it.
Second Gamers Nexus have a video out with the 5700XT and that rear grill is just decorational and non functional. It doesn't add anything to cooling.
Can the thermal issue be fixed by a driver update??
@Optimum Tech Can you fit NZXT G12 on the 5700/XT? if not i will wait for AIB card
Using Conductonaut Liquid Metal Thermal Grease I am able to sustain stable temperatures of 68c under a mining load wile watching 4k. I highily recommend it if your using stock cooler with the copper plate. For expert installers only, maybe intermediate. A fuck it im a beginner, beginners and up!
I am not sure if I messed up somehow but the only driver they have for this graphics card doesn't even support CSGO, Terarria, or Age of Empires 2 HD.
Guess I won the silicon lottery. My card peaks at 2050 mhz and sits at 1980-1990mhz in game. Now if only AMD would fix the drivers.
Yes i oc my rx 5700 to clock 1850mhz and underclocked to 1016mv and its like stock temps but better performance and no problems yet lol
I generaly see the GPU market as follows: nvidia for people who want consistent performance out of the box throughout the years without next to no additional tweaking; AMD for people who want to mess around and test their GPU to get some nice numbers regarding thermals, and fps (vega lineup had stepped cooler speed, so after a light overclock and undervolt it never reached a certain threshold that would cause a jet to appear in my room); also note that the AMD GPUs age VERY well; vega 64 got a whole one performance level better during its lifetime.
What software was used for undervolting?
the blower noise sounds like a concert crowd
i really hope that you can get super cards soon enough. i really want to see how an undervolted 5700xt perform against a 2070 super
Yours runs so much cooler then mine.
Mine runs so hot out of the box that my system crashes, I've pulled mine a part and applied thermal paste (they used some junk thermal pad thing on mine (and all of them I think?), that dropped my system temps by 10 degrees however, the card still runs way to hot and I cannot play most games as it overheats itself trying to push for higher core clock.
I would recommend to anyone to purchase the XFX 5700XT mine is not going well, I plan to macgyver a better cooler on though so hopefully it can handle itself better once I have that in place.
Currently working on butchering a Kraken G12 to fit it, unfortunately the way the Kraken mounts it blocks you from adding heatsinks to the RAM chips which is problematic as they overheat really badly.
I am currently working on cutting some heatsinks to get around this limitation and retain a reasonable thermal mass.
Look up the washer mod for the 5700XT. The problem is that the mounting pressure is too low, and if you replace the graphite pad with thermal paste you need to increase the mounting pressure by putting a couple plastic washers beneath the spring steel in order to increase mounting pressure. And also, you're going to want to be careful with running the core with uneven thermal paste spread, because hot spotting because of imperfect contact is a very good way to kill a GPU quickly.
8:30 that's some trippy moire.
The back is not actually an intake, it is blocked by plastic and has no purpose other than look
Amazing! Thanks