AMD RX 5700 XT Hybrid Mod, PowerPlay Overclock, & More Power
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- Опубліковано 24 лип 2019
- In this video, we mod the AMD RX 5700 XT with a hybrid cooling solution, powerplay tables for overclocking, and blast the power for higher scoring.
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The AMD RX 5700 XT was originally stated (by AMD) to have no powerplay table modding, but turns out that it works after all. We installed a +90% registry hack, then hacked an Arctic Cooling Hybrid III 140 CLC onto it. Overclocking the 5700 XT with powerplay tables got us to around RTX 2070 Super performance regularly, sometimes nearing RTX 2070 Super overclock performance.
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This one is by popular demand! Thanks to all of you who requested it. We want to put this under LN2 once we're back from LTX.
Looking forward to some leet ln2 pouring :P
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So I have a WX 9100 and I wanna tweak that. Have you all messed with that card any?
hey steve can test 290 and 390 AIBS on 5700xt
Why does it seem the vram runs slow should it be 1700(7000) or something like or you still divide the number in half
Kept us waiting huh?
Phew, glad you found the same results as me Steve 😅 great video as always, loved the hybrid mod!
The Steves are in agreement.
2 steves 1 cup.
@@Joker-no1fz
I bet the cup contains the liquid coolant they're going to use for their next hardcore overclocking collab.
@@brofist1959 exactly. what did people not get that?
you just made my life simpler too, now I know it isn´t worth to wait for AIBs on the 5700XT; just ordered a RTX 2070 Super after watching this and Hardware Unboxed videos. If this card can´t do better than this with a mod, AIB won´t do miracles. RTX 2070 Super it is.
There was a time when people used to ignore Max and Min FPS and just looked at AVG,
now I ignore AVG and just look at 0.1% and 1% lows.
Because who needs 100 FPS AVG if fluidity is interrupted by drops to 20s.
Yeah, and Vega is actually surprisingly good when it comes to those minimum fps numbers! Often beats nVidia cards with higher avg fps by a substantial margin. not always, but more often than not it's got tighter frame pacing. so far Navi, in this iteration, i don't think is showing those same advantages. it was probably just the brute force overkill design of vega... so many SP's and so much memory bandwidth. couldn't keep them fed fast or efficiently enough to get high maximum fps numbers (and thus averages), but when the lows came it sure chugged through it like a beast.
I agree with 1% lows but I think 0.1% low are kind of useless
all 3
KKool
@@juniornunez7126 massively disagree. All I even look at are the .1%. Whatever number that is when I benchmark a game on my own systems with my preferred visuals is what I lock the game to. Period. I value fluidity over all else. Then how high a frame rate I can get my maximum fluidity at. Then gameplay. Visuals are somewhere way down at the bottom where nice visuals are nice enough to have but not super important if the game isn't actually going for realism and I tend to avoid games that do because they do not look nearly as good even at the highest visual settings as a game that goes for stylized visuals and fluidity instead.
Thank you for mentioning your independent reporting. Transparency is underappreciated brother. Mod mat added to the list.
Oh yes, thank you so much. Impresive that you manged to push that out so fast, between all those reviewes - thats why i love you guys!
Why did you make the 2 superscript? It should be subscript, if anything
@@matsigh sure-still does look better in my opinion -sub requires extra work
moment mal... dich kennt man doch hahaha
Yesssss!!! I been waiting for this. Give us more power!
Jeez, from what I'm seeing that 1080ti evga ftw is a total beast of a card. Awesome modding in the cooling.
was hoping for something like this vid. Keep up the great work
i like the new graph coloring at 16:06 as opposed to the old type nearly everywhere else in the video. The saturation is much more visible and the colored numbers help distinguish the different variants easily on an overview.
Just got my signed toolkit in the mail. So excited for future RX cards and disassembling!
Yet _another_ video I've already seen recommended to me by UA-cam. It's getting to the point every video I watch is recommended to me again after I watch it. My list is the same it was 2 weeks earlier.
sue youtube. make these monsters pay for what they did to you
So the point is..it overclocks..as long as cooling is good.
Thanks..all i needed to know. :)
Thank you!!!!!!! Been waiting for this for so long.Imma slap a 240 rad on me 5700xt now that i have seen what you did.
when you start making some food then a GN video is published. love eating and watching these vids
I cook the food on my blazing hot AMD gpu while watching.
yummy
These are definitely my favourite types of videos!
What we learned from this, People that bought the 1080ti years ago got the best absolute deal out of any one. The card is a Beast and still gives most new cards Nightmares. Wish I would have grabbed one instead of my 1070. Ohh well live and learn.
Dude ...
Back in the day, we couldn't find almost any GPU at stock. Considering what you have in hand right now, you're not in a bad luck position.
I remember the only card available was GTX 1050Ti, GTX 1050, GT 1030, RX 560 ( the puny 2 gigs ) and RX 550. Not even GTX 1060 nor RX 470 was available. The store attendant also try to gouge me with booking fee's.
I'm quite happy with my 980ti myself, its still perfectly viable especially with a CRT Monitor
even 980 ti trashes 1070 non-ti when both are overclocked.
@@fajaradi1223 lol I remember when gtx 1050 ti were going for almost 300 at some point
"best absolute deal", Wrong™, it clearly lost on bang for buck, you know, the central precept behind "best deal"
Oh yes, thanks for that - that kind of content is why i love you guys!
Why the F* was that comment hidden for a while!?
Finally you cover it! :D
You read my mind. Didn't request this, but hoped for it.
The 5700XT is good value but what I find amusing is that Nvidia's biggest competitor to the RTX 2070 Super is the GTX 1080 Ti.
Except its not. You can't find any decently priced NEW 1080ti's.
The 1080 Ti is the biggest competitor to the 2080 Super and 2080 Ti as well by virtue of the fact that nobody wants to pay that much extra for the extra performance you do get.
I have a 980ti strix and the 1080Ti didn't seem a worthy upgrade at the time. Knowing what I know now, wish I had bought one 3 years ago.
Adrian Butler The 1080Ti was and still is an absolute Beast Hell a very good OC'd one would match a 2080 Super With a higher VRam ... So vram hungry games would benefit a LOT from it ... Well 8gb is now the best for gaming but at 4k texture packs and higher resolution games are pushing over 9Gb of usage
lul what??
Cant wait for mine to show up
Steve im shocked you actually listened thank you :)
Man your awesome , that’s what I always do because there’s always a - offset from what ever you set
This is why I love Gamers Nexus! Thank you for this video and your contribution to the community. Now Im just left to wonder if my "better binned" AE is worth some memory speed or if I paid for an Amy Su signature :)
Yay been waiting for this!
Finally! Thank you guys :)
"It's not efficient, but it's a brute force way to get that level of performance." - Story of AMD's GPU division really.
nvidia: hold my beer
If AMD come up with beefier memory for the higher SKUs, these could be really good! It appears that these can be a bit memory starved. A wider bus and better clocked VRAM would help I think.
That's my take on the situation as well.
Imagine this with HMB2 ... that would really Push performance further
I'm thinking we see a 12GB, 384 bit memory layout for the 5800 (XT).
A 60CU Navi with a 384bit bus should come close to 2080ti perf imo
The memory is already at Max. Gddr6 won't go past 900ish if you're lucky
Can't wait for the 5900XT! C'mon AMD, just do it already and take my money! 💰
You better get a beefy PSU first...and a fire extinguisher, lol
@@HenrySomeone I had a 290x crossfire setup. The main thing you need is a massive air conditioner lol
@@HenrySomeone yeah that meme was funny in 2011, shut up for once tho
*Spoiler Alert*
@@james2042 I have the same setup with crossfire 290X's and need neither because as soon as I bought them in 2013, I stuck full cover EK water blocks and backplates on them and watched as my rig silently stress tested with gpu temps of 35 degrees. Noctua fans on the rads helps too ofc.
Спасибо за проделанную работу.
Exactly what I was wondering about. I searched this 2 days ago...
Igors Lab ist einfach nur Spitze! COOL!!!
Nice thing is that frame time consistency most of the time is on pair with or better than the 2080ti. Hoping AMD releases 5900XT this year or early next year.
Oooo loving those 0,1% and 1% figures in F1 2018, it's beating the 2080 Ti on those figures and in a racing game the absence of stuttering and good 0,1% lows can be critical to your race results
Big fan with a tiny suggestion GN, try to split up your graphs and make them larger if it isn't too much trouble. The current ones are terribly hard to see on a phone. Other than that, fantastic work as always. Nothing but quality.
An AlphaCool Eiswolf could be a fine GPU AIO option you could also mess with. In combination with Undervolting you may can increase performance by limiting the power consumption.
ive been waiting for this video
Thx steve for trying for us and it is fun to do.......😉😆
great work
Currently waiting on the EK water block to drop, gonna see how temps fair with mild tweaking and a HWL 420 keeping it cool.
damn, was hoping today's video was the h510 review
Nice deep-dive team! VERY useful.👍
I can't wait to mod one of the next gen RDNA cards. I have had great success with a custom cut VRAM coldplate attached to an EK Thermosphere block, and a Koolance universal VRM waterblock in the past. My GTX 760 is showing 1302MHz average, and 1515MHz max in userbenchmark!?!.......96th percentile. 😊
My latest mods are a 1080 Ti Jetstream and a 1070 AMP Edition, and I've managed to de-solder the VRAM coldplates from the heatsink assembly with my hot-air soldering station.
Will be interesting to see how my copper coldplates compare to the original stainless steel ones. 😁
Kraken g10 mount with a corsair 120mm is what i've used on my 970 and 1070
I had that same exact arctic cooler
My Gygabyte 1080ti waterforce xtreme is still up there man! woho!!!
I got my sapphire nitro+ rx 5700 xt special edition to 2074mhz core @ 1.126mV and 947.5mhz memory with +50% power @ 100% fan speed, stable for gaming uses.
So much for meeting the RTX 2080 and beating the RTX 2070 Super like has been reported by a few other reviewers. This review I trust, you can always count on Tech Jesus!
Tech Jesus destroys AMD fanboys for breakfast. He just made my life simpler too, now I know it isn´t worth to wait for AIBs on the 5700XT; just ordered a RTX 2070 Super after watching this and Hardware Unboxed videos. If this card can´t do better than this with a mod, AIB won´t do miracles. RTX 2070 Super it is.
@@MrCakeBone I mean, you pick best for your budget and games, but I wouldn't buy a 2070 Super when I could save $100 and get similar performance in most games. Plus RIS is a much better image sharpening tool than DLSS that works on a wider selection of titles. But you do you, if you use RTX-enhanced lighting or want the most performance (which, why not just get a 2080 Super then?) sure, but the 5700 XT is still an excellent value for the price it's at. Especially if you're building a new Ryzen 3000 based computer from Microcenter, slick deals to be had on brand new tech.
@@MrCakeBone Post this a few more times, mr totally not fanboy.
@@MrCakeBone Nobody cares.
@@johnbuscher Not here on Europe. 5700XT with Blower cooler: 460€. RTX 2070Super with AIB: 530€. For 70€ I prefer the better card and also with better temps, no problem.
I'm actually more impressed by the performances of Radeon VII and the GTX 1080 TI...
Too bad the first one doesn't get much price cut out, could have been quite interesting...
Can't really cut prices, as 16gb of hbm is nearly the cost of the card
They weren't supposed to happen, by mistake or design AMD was able to recycle a bunch of sub-perfect Radeon Instinct workstation cards into the gaming market. From what I've heard on other tech videos, they weren't supposed to be produced but turned out really handy for Navi's delay at CES. Quite a shame though, that it was marketed heavily as a gaming card. It may have been received far better as the in-between card for content creators and amateurs/professionals with a start-up.
@@wudntulike2no32 It does, but when looking at the way it was received by the public people seem to have gotten the impression from AMD's marketing that it's a high-end gaming card, and with that come different expectations from what it architecturally can do.
You should try and play with the Memory timings on gaming benchmarks using the AMDmemory tweaker tool
vega 56 under water is pretty practical actually. low temps help alot to extract most of the performance, especially from the heat sensitive hbm2. its far from a plug and play card tho.
Would love to see some Workstation card comparisons for this year. RTX 4000, 5000, 6000, Radeon WX 8200, compared to gamer cards for both games and software like 3ds max, adobe, solidworks etc... I know there is one from last year but would be nice to see a upgraded version.
IgorsLab is the best. A bit special and of course not that much content than on mainstream sites, but extremely well done tests like detailed power draw measurement, pcb temperature monitoring with thermal cameras or own waterblock prototypes. And an active community you do not get cancer from ist a huge plus
Vega was a true tuner paradise.
Holy... RX 5700 XT WC'd and OC'd beating all Nvidia cards on 1% and 0.1% lows on some tests.
And I'm over here pushing 600 watts through my Vega 64 during daily use 😂
damn, my 1070 never even goes above 170 watts. How in the world are you keeping that beast cool?
@@Domstar97 Giant custom loop and a EK Water Block. The card is hard nodded so it can draw way more than the normal amount of power.
@@AdamBrackney Lol do you have any benchmark scores to share?
@@olliveraira6122 8600 graphics only in Timespy, I believe there's only a couple of people with higher scores that aren't on LN2 and they're all hard nodded as well.
Lol, do you get Power for free?
Really hope i can get the cash together to buy an AIB card of this or the 5700.
Isn't it fun watching the other reviewers talk trash about the gains from overclocking the 5700 and 5700XT..
I Love Gamers Nexus!
5700XT + Power Play + LN² = *"RX 690 Super"*
Glad to see this video. sucks that it doesn't get the same gains we saw out of vega. I guess it will be a little less fun than my vega 56 has been. :(
I just want a straight clock graph line and as close to silent operation as possible, not single digit FPS increases or necessarily the fastest performance possible.
The new colors at 5:40 are nice, but the contrast for numbers makes them hard to read on phone
I hoped on a computer to watch this. Was impossible on a phone for me
I had that same arctic cooler on my r9 390x
Those 1% lows are amazing on 5700 XT.
The AIO from Coolermaster also fits like a glove on the RX 5700XT ! ( goes for 35-45 bucks atm )
Hi, have you tried it? 120mm?
Asking the same thing. Did you use it on yours?
Is it me or your color correction got alot better
without going full custom loop. Even by watercooling standards no one does open loop.
Love your work, Steve! You know I bought the Red Dragon Vega 56 just because of that video you made about it? This one though... Very little improvement for the effort. The vega 56 have better gains if I remember correctly.
These cards have half of the power draw
These cards have half the power draw.
Waiting for them aftermarked 5700XT cards to decide which to get: 2070S or 5700XT.
dam, almost makes me want to do this.
There needs to be bigger RDNA based cards to come. AMD would just be stupid not to. People are obviously okay with 300 watt cards, I'd love to see a card trade blows with the 2080ti for once
James Mastroianni they probably can’t make a card that can compete at that level without the price being too high
They better have a better cooler for the 5900XT, I think bigger GPU's are coming but they will need cooling. I'm think 5900XT at $600 and 5950XT at $700 or $750. :), OK I'm dreamin'
@@themonkeyking8506 the 5700xt is a 40cu gpu with a 251mm^2 die size. If they could make a chip with even a 60cu gpu with a 384 bit bus with12gb gddr6 and a die size of 375mm^2, that would increase the core compute unit count and memory bandwidth by 50%, which would on paper increase performance by 50%, but even if theres losses somewhere else, say lower clocks, and lets go with 40%, they would at least have a 2080 super competitor. And then they could have a 52cu card with a 352 bit bus (11gb) or 320 bit bus (10gb) which would help a lot since most of the dies would have imperfections and would help on cost a lot. The only question here would be if 7nm is ready for a 375mm^2 chip or if thats too much atm.
One theory I have anyways is that these cards are memory bandwidth starved and that this exact card with say a 320 bit bus would perform better.
@@alittlelooney5361 AMD will just have to ditch blower coolers like literally everyone else, not an issue.
James Mastroianni Radeon VII is made on 7nm with a die size of 331mm. The yield may not be super high, but they’ve done that size at least already.
Love it. Reminds me of the old days of cooling shit yourself. None of this pre-done rainbow shit and fancy bullshit
I wonder how the AIB cards will be, and if they have more headroom on the RAM OC. I think that's what's really holding the GPU back is the RAM.
Steve should get a sponsorship from an enthusiast brand of hair care like Paul Mitchel or Redkin etc etc
HUB's findings were similar. It appears to be memory limited, a shame HBM memory is so expensive.
Thank you for including a EVGA GTX 1080 Ti FTW3, it really shows how stagnant Nvidia has become at the $750 to $800 price point.
This video could have been 10 minutes. The results are pretty clear immediately.
I agree, as usual the content is great, but there is so much waffle about nothing.
Hardware Unboxed: Check out these bench results with my new EK block. Gamers Nexus: Hold my modmat.
MORE POWER BABY!
For those who want to do this and keep it simple, you don't need a fresh install of windows. Running DDU, preferably in safe mode, is enough. Then reinstall drivers and running the reg edit from igor and all is good to go after a reboot.
It actually isn't always enough. It wasn't for us. We had to manually go through the registry keys.
@@GamersNexus Oh that's interesting, never experienced that, but I also don't own a 5700 xt, just from experience with my vega 64 and r7, it was always enough. I guess I just don't do it as often as you guys. Thanks for all the great content btw :)
If Navi had a bigger memory bus, I would suspect performance from these mods would improve by at least 15% on average
AMD now is reporting TBP (Total Board Power) not TDP. Small difference but still ;). Other then that a good video as always.
Awesome video! It's interesting to see that RDNA/Navi is still memory starved....Can't wait to see what happens when AMD gets the silicon bandwidth to start making it HBM2. Massively increase memory throughput, and reduce memory power consumption to increase the core clocks. Hopefully AMD can give Nvidia a run for the performance crown and we can see the whole product stack start to squish down in terms of price....no more >1000$ cards!
If only it were this way
Is there any footage of you or someone on the team wearing that new 5% elastic shirt? How -cozy- is it?
I really wanted to buy a 5700xt but I found a RTX 2080 selling for 570$ here in India which is a steal so I decided to go with it. (The 5700xt starts at 520$ for the reference design)
Great video. I have a question. Would this cooler work with a Vega 56 normal version as well?
my cooler master 240aio also fits, all 4 holes fit
What do you think is the sweet spot for undervolting and overclocking? Not an apple fan seems happy setting the voltage to 959 mV.
F1 2018 results -> I would call 5700 winner here -> .1% lows are wildly higher.
Looks like smoothest game play with 5700, when OC'd beating even 2080 ti on 4k for .1% lows.
Fast paced game -> Smoothness is the key.
If you are interested Igor just made an announcement that English content will be coming with his own site, before that it apparently was difficult for him to publish in English because of conflicts with the Toms Hardware license
It will be interesting if there is a workstation NAVI card with HBM in the next 12 months. I doubt HBM would impact gaming though. We seen in the past that HBM is just too expensive for little return on the consumer gaming front. Now that Navi has most of the issues with GCN sorted out (super high bandwidth, but not enough rendering torque), would it be able to really fly with more bandwith and more than 40 CUs?
We'll have to wait to find out I guess. Navi 56 or Navi 60/64 might be really crazy if they can get it power efficient. Would something like that benefit enough from HBM to make the cost worth it? On expensive workstation cards it might. In Vega that was not the case, for real time game rendering. Maybe it is now?
Did you try to under volt when using the PPT?
Me: Well, time to go to bed, work in the morning.
Also me: GN has hybrid mod on a 5700XT, what's sleep....?
I don't need sleep, I NEED ANSWERS
So do you think we will see 16 gigabit gddr6 on the Navi refresh? (Which we know will come because they always do!)
I hope an AIB puts the best samsung GDDR6 on these things.
Amazing
Hey, why not do a competition of some sort that when Gamers Nexus reaches 1.000.000 Subscribers,
our high and almighty Steve will have to shave off that long hair? :P
Can you rest the ID Cooling AIO, they are still making their GPU AIO, as well as a dual CPU/GPU AIO that fits non-Vega/RVII cards
They also have the option to purchase the pump/heatsink as seperate parts on their Aliexpress store.
Really curious how much better the AIB cards will be. There is obviously some headroom left on the table in the reference cards.
I would expect a 5% performance bump at stock on any OC models but with the ability to push to around 7-8% with a manual overclock. I don't think you will see 10% on AIB cards without pushing power, thermals and fan speed noise which are just not worth it. It looks like the RDNA 1.0 silicon is about as good as it gets out of the box. The main benefit people will see is lower noise on partner cards.
@@Mopantsu if they come at $450 give or take they're golden
He just made my life simpler too, now I know it isn´t worth to wait for AIBs on the 5700XT; just ordered a RTX 2070 Super after watching this and Hardware Unboxed videos. If this card can´t do better than this with a mod, AIB won´t do miracles. RTX 2070 Super it is.
Sapphire Nitro+ OC up to 2ghz? Yes please.
@@rinhato8453 You people just won't stop even being shown that pumping 50% more power only results in 5% more actual performance.
Do I need to cool chokes with heatsinks on it for this model? Do I need a fan directly on it ?
From the 5700XT stock all the way to the top it seems to me the only card with a noticeable difference in performance would be the 2080ti, at what, $1200. From the 5700XT stock and 2080 I don't think most would notice much of a difference without an FPS counter. The 2080 maybe in some games it would be noticed by some, but not enough to make a big case to buy the thing at it's price. For up to 1440p gaming the 2060 super, 5700, 2070, 2070 super, 5700XT, what ever, buy what you want you should be good with any one of them. The one you choose will probably make a difference on what graphics settings you use in some games but the cost will be greater for that so pick your poison.
i forgot why i stopped watching your videos and now i remember you stack your benchmarks they may be true but they dont show the full picture just the part that favors nvidia. but it just helped me get a 5700 for 280 usd refurbished i got the kraken g12 i have a couple 120mm rads should be great gonna use my stimulus money to buy a 3600 and a custom loop for my $40 thermal take core p5 lol