FUJIFILM X-H2S vs LUMIX S5iiX - Which one is for YOU?
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============================================ ============================================ I spent 2 weeks with the Lumix S5iiX and today we are comparing it with the Fujifilm X-H2S to answer the question - Which one is for you!
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0:00 Size and Weight
0:25 Ergonomics
2:20 EVF and LCD
2:54 Build Quality
3:25 Sensor, ISO and IQ
4:22 Input/Output
5:19 Battery Life
5:38 Fan and Overheating
6:31 Autofocus
7:20 Rolling Shutter
7:46 V-Log and F-Log
8:25 Monitoring Tools
9:14 Conclusion
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Which one would you pick?
Lumix S5 IIX, coming from the GH5, I find Panasonic cameras to be true workhorses for video work, and the L Mount Lenses have some superb video features. I love my Fuji XT3, but I would prefer to upgrade to XT5 when I do upgrade, for a more photo optimised (and fun!) hybrid experience...
I am currently switching from Sony A7IV to fuji X-H2s, and while those are different cameras, the comparison is somewhat similar. The most obvious thing would be the sensor size - APS-C vs FF, and while it is true that most FF sensors are better than most aps-c ones, not all are created equal! The beauty of this fuji sensor is that it is stacked, so the rolling shutter is almost non existing, while offering the same dynamic range as the high- end FF Sony sensors, and in fact a little better then the Panasonic. Also, since FUJI is using an X Trans sensor, the noise is showing very different from the standard CMOS sensors, and it somewhat pleasing and film-like, combine all of those things with the great highlight roll off that the fuji also offers, and I don't see ANY advantage going full frame apart from the shallower depth of field.
That depth of field advantage tho, can be also a disadvantage. We all know hooting in low light situations, using faster glass allows you to lower the ISO, and get better image, but using a full frame sensor, you can easily go over the top with the "bokeh" and not have enough DOF to keep your subject sharp, while on the APS-C side of things, when maintaining the same field of view, because of the crop, you are further away from the subject, and therefore you have increased DOF, while getting more light in.
The part that is most important to me tho, is maintaining the same field of view of my lenses, while shooting 24, and 60p, and this is what separates both the Sony A7IV and S5 II/x from the fuji. To combat the crop factors of the FF cameras when shooting higher frame rates , you need to either get a second set of lenses that are designed for APS-C, or move backwards. Neither of those options are good IMO, since the first costs an arm and a leg, not to mention swapping lenses every time you need to shoot 60p, and the second one is not always possible, especially in event work, going into tight places. And yes, the Fuji have that same APC-S crop, but it doesn't change between 24p and 60p, so your field of view will always be the same!
Both the Sony and Panasonic are great FF photography cameras, and both are great APC-s video cameras, but if you look for a true hybrid, the X-H2s seems far more complete. And while you can absolutely build on APS-C kits for both the sony and panasonic, then you are not really buying it for the FF, and you sacrafice photo resolution along the way.
Sorry for the long comment, but all of the videos comparing the FUJI to all those FF cameras are really not taking any of those things in consideration, which doesn't do any favors to otherwise a fantastic camera!
Thanks for watching and for the detailed comment. Good points!
That sensor difference is very important.
However: full frame, phase detect, and internal fan
Is AF important to your work? If it is, you won’t last long in Fujiland…
@@RandumbTech Simply not true. I have used the XH2s (and XT3,4 and 5) since they came out. I make a nice living shooting video with them. In fact, the lens combo I mainly use on the XH2S is an adapted Sigma 18-35 f1.8 and it still never lets me down. Further, I shoot a lot of high end kids parties with pony rides, jumping castles etc, and kids don’t stand still for a second! I tested the Panasonic for three events, and the new autofocus is great, but still not as good as my XH2s. No opinions here, just real world examples.
Nice detailed response. Totally agree.
I love filming with the Lumix, same with Sony cameras but taking photography with it doesn't feel right for me, I know it "doesn't matter" but I feel more inspired taking pictures with the Fuji
It definitely matters!
Same here.
I was on the fence about both of these for a while. Good video!
Thanks for watching!
May I ask what lenes you use for filming with the XH2s and what autofokus settings?
Hey! Nice video. Which of these two would you recommend for real estate photography and video?
Did you try the lowlight autofocus in photography?
What do you think about Ibis and framerates? The Ibis from my Xh2s is you good if you don't move. 120fps in 4k are soft I think and I think the af in 120fps is not reliable.
All these cameras have become so good, that the only think left to differentiate them are certain features and lens choice. I LOVE my XH2-S, but the Lumix looks like a beast and an absolute joy to use!
much awaited 😅
I am so back and forth between these two right now. I know there is not necesiarily a wrong pick but it is still a significant investment eitherway. Thanks for comparing these - I aprecaited your insight.
Thanks for watching
what about dynamic range and latitude?
Excellent comparison! Did you notice moire patterns on the s5ii due to the lack of AA filter to the sensor?And if so is it going to be a problem on professional work?
I haven’t notice much patterns, the s5ii sensor seems pretty solid
can you compare the video images from the two camera? It doesn't exist a test like this on UA-cam
I’ve had both the S5II and the XH2S . Im not sure about the S5IIX but the S5II had a slow start up time (the XH2S also had a slow start time) which annoyed me . However, I like how on the S5II if you long press a button you can assign it a function. I also like the jog wheel on the Lumix .
The long press is definitely a good point. I did not see the slow start issue but I will look into that.
Yeah, the startup time on the S5ii was ridiculously slow, until the most recent FW update that addressed that. Now it's almost instantaneous.
@@baihu4u I did hear that the slow start up is only when booting up the first time of the day. And that they did so try and mitigate some battery issues people were complaining about in prior cameras. I'm not sure if the FW update fixed it since I don't have the camera yet.
I was between these in February. It was an easy choice. One was available and one was not. I needed a camera right away and wasn't going to wait for three months. If the S5iix had been out then, it would have been a harder choice. I think I probably still would have gone with X-H2S. But not sure ... Both are great cameras.
Can you change settings like iso during video recording or do you need to stop recording to change?
X-H2S you definitely can
S5iiX from what I remember while testing you also can
Thank you for the great comparison!
I shoot more video than stills, so I need the S5IIx's waveform monitor and ability to set shutter angle in degrees.
That said, the Fujis are great still cameras - and the stacked sensor is terrific - but for video, they lack key features.
I have both but usually use the exposure tools on a field monitor so it doesn’t matter much IMO that the x-h2s doesn’t have built in waveform / false color etc.
I think the killer feature on the x-h2s that flies under the radar with most reviews is the 14bit readout on the sensor for video. This makes a huge difference in my mind and experience with color and tonality. This is a feature usually only found on RED’s / Alexa’s and other dedicated cinema cameras that no other mirrorless hybrid camera has. Yeah you get the higher bit readout on photo mode with many hybrid cameras but not on video.
@@jordanwright5795does this make xh2s better than s5iix videography wise?
Nice! That was quick.
It’s a hard choice to make for sure. Apart from the camera bodies, you would be choosing between the APSC Fujifilm and FF Lumix L-mount lens ecosystems.
The way I look at it today, I think I might go for a two system approach. A small, fun, capable and affordable EDC system. Possibly a Lumix Micro Four Thirds GX9. And next to that a FF Lumix S5 II for more dedicated photography. Is that overkill? Does Fujifilm fit in here? Is Fujifilm stuck in the middle? Given Fujifilm's latest lens sizes, I feel they are no longer significantly setting themselves apart from FF with a small package. I will need to give this some more thought.
Anyhow, many thanks for the great review! Very helpful
It seems to me that Fujifilm is painting itself into a corner. They are playing the more megapixel is better game. By that I mean, every next generation of Fujifilm sensors is one step up in megapixels. The large megapixel sensors need lenses that can resolve for that. These lenses are larger. Hence the new 33mm F1.4 and 23mm F1.4 lenses that are bigger and heavier than their predecessors, for example. By now, the size and weight of the Fujifilm package is not really that much more compact than a similar FF package, such as the Lumix S5 IIX. This development makes me wonder, should I bypass Fujifilm and go directly for FF?
Just thinking aloud here. Feel free to add :)
@@paullafleur6112 But the X-H2S is 26mpx and it's their flagship. They made it a pocket rocket speed demon. If you want more resolution you can get the X-H2, but I don't see Fuji going in only the higher mpx route.
@@ChristopherKou Good point. Thanks. Then again, when I look at the new X-T5 I see that it has a 40 megapixels sensor. Let’s see what kind of sensor the next generation X-Pro and X-E cameras will have
I hope you go over IBIS with these cameras. An in depth look with standing still, slight panning and parralaxing would be nice!
Yeah, but Panasonic is still the king of IBIS, Fujifilm is still experimenting with their IBIS system, which is a good thing because there is room for improvement.
I think the better competitor to the Panasonic S5 II would be the Fujifilm X-H2 since both cameras are non-staked sensors.
The IBIS of the S5II is a landslide advantage over Fuji.
@@j_cooks I’d still like to see a comparison 🙂
😂 That's a hard battle, personally being a Fuji user it may seem that if have a bias, but I much preferred the analog dials on Fuji than Pasm so I guess we're square here.
However I'd put the Panasonic S5 II against the Fujifilm X-H2 instead because the stacked sensor of the X-H2s is a clear advantage in my opinion.
I think Fujifilm has quite a bit to learn from Panasonic this time around, specially regarding the video features. I kind of like the ability to bake in my preferred custom LUT to my Log video in camera, totally skipping the need to color grade in post.
Where with Fuji we are just shooting with a film simulation which isn't "unlimited fully customizable" (hope you understand me) and you lose the benefit of the extra dynamic range you get from the Log footage. Technically with the Panasonic too since you're baking your LUT in, but it's more about you already know what you want and have expectation of range in mind VS what you see is what you get from Fuji. 😂😂😂 It's a complicated opinion.
I also like the built-in fan of the Panasonic, it does permanently bulk the camera, but it's one less thing to forget, lose, or have a dead battery (although I'm not sure if the Fujifilm fan is battery powered or otherwise) people likely to appreciate the fan are likely shooting 4k or higher for as long as the battery allow, or shooting in hotter climate.
It looks like I'm team Panasonic right. Yeah not really, Fujifilm seems to have a more complete native lens selection and third-party ones are coming in gradually, also prices tend to be better for native aps-c lenses comparing to native full frame lenses. Then still talking lenses it comes the weight, full frame lenses tend to be heavier and bulkier, and Fujinon lenses have the aperture ring 😎
One thing not mentioned here in the video is IBIS and Panasonic has been the king of IBIS for quite some time, I'd love to see a comparison. The @HybridShooter channel has both cameras and it seems that Panasonic handles Ultrawide Lens wobble a bit better than Fujifilm, it's noticeable, but both cameras will wobble nonetheless and to be virtually wobble free you need to crop in with EIS anyways.
My comment is already too long 😅😅 well I'm torn apart, my comment seems to be favorable to Panasonic, but really one is the contrast of the other, both have room for improvement.
I'm actually more curious about the Fujifilm X-S20 😂😂 if only Fujifilm had added 2 SD card slots it would be the perfect not-perfect X-T4 companion camera. Or if Fujifilm would add their latest processor and firmware goodies and make an X-T4 II then I have a clear winner.
Thanks for reading this extra extra long comment, you rock 😎👍
Thanks for your comment! You bring up some good points indeed! I definitely should have included more about IBIS here, I just felt like the video was too long and cut some part but I definitely should not have for this one.
X-T4 ii would be a great camera indeed! The X-S20 is powerful though, but if they give it more pro features it will definitely kill sales of the XT5/X-H2/S
@@ThierryGibralta that's the thing, I think Fuji is a bit of shooting themselves on the foot by setting the bar at the X-H2s. I think there are tons of improvements that Fuji can bring via firmware update (free or otherwise) that can maintain their pro cameras at a higher level than the enthusiast camera while giving some more typical pro features (physical features) to it's lower level cameras to further define what's a Fujifilm camera.
By setting the bar at the X-H2s Fujifilm essentially has to cripple it's other camera lines to protect the flagship, and it doesn't have to be done this way. Like it would be awesome to have recording to external ssd storage, give it included with the flagship bodies (X-H2 and X-H2s) and make it an optional paid upgrade for some of the lower level cameras since they share the same generational hardware.
Not to mention that it really surprised me not in a positive way that Fujifilm really did little to no work to add key video features (firmware) to their flagship cameras, which is a major missed opportunity since the new hardware has the raw capability to process things in-body. That's also true for photography, like we still don't have a in-body super resolution (via ibis pixel shift) while even Olympus does. (and remember we're likely to keep this generation hardware for the next 3 to 4 years, so that's not a good horizon line)
I like what Fujifilm did with the X-S20 with 6k open gate, and hardware option for the external fan, also the better on screen controls, and simple things like product display mode and even the fake background blur mode. But for a camera that'd be perfect for most content creators Fuji still insisted in not adding better on-camera mic, or the 2nd sd card slot as previously mentioned because who, as a content creator wants to risk corrupting or losing an entire video file due to single sd card slot? Yeah a first world problem, and yeah that's how people did things before dual sd card was a thing, but it's no longer a thing anymore, and I hardly believe Fujifilm would be losing any money by engineering another sd card slot. Rather that'd be a big selling point since they already have a demographic in target anyways.
Lol me and my nonsense long comments, but hey aside from giving up to date hardware to the X-Pro and X-V lines I can't really see Fujifilm doing much about them without screwing them up by reducing physical buttons.
I also really miss Fuji's FinePix XP line I still think that line had future as an action camera segment if Fuji would be willing to reinvent the form factor, and even if they don't, given the price point they were at, by being waterproof, shockproof, icy temperature resistant had an optical zoom and built-in flash. Now imagine you add IBIS to that then voilà, you have a point-and-shoot competitor to Ricoh GR cameras.
Photographers would flock to it since it's practical to have your pocketable street camera to shoot things on the instant than missing the moment by not having your pro camera ready, and too for the times you just don't want or don't have your pro camera on yourself.
This week I found out that my wife's flagship samsung phone stretches all photos giving a bad barrel distortion look, a big pain to edit in post for what should be our to go instant snap camera in your pocket, and for the mases smartphones are fine, but for those who care, wow they take pictures, if you know what I mean.
The pocket camera market still exists and not many are there doing it the right way. If Fuji could get in there for
As an X-T3 user I’m thinking of staying with Fuji but the S5II has some awesome video features. Very hard decision to make
you made a mistake, you should have put on the Lumix Full Area so that the autofocus follows your subject on the whole scene, you centered your focus in the center, normal, who won't find you on the sides...I made a video on it and even in low light I don't have this kind of problem, I will also do a comparison test and my a7 IV...
Thanks for pointing out the mistake, I will give it another try after fixing that. Cheers~
Dude
One can clearly see that you have much more experience with Fujifilm. Does it still work for you, now, 6 months later?
Would be great to hear your thoughts, kind regards from a 16+ years industry veteran
For what I do, the Fujifilm is still good enough. When I do need something that is much more high caliber, I can rent a cinema camera if needed. I still do believe that the s5iix is a great camera for creator though… I am still hoping that they bring those monitoring features to Fujifilm though. That part is a bit disappointing.
@@ThierryGibralta Thank you for your kind response, dear Thierry. Good luck and success with your upcoming projects. Kind regards, Simon
Stacked sensor it’s a easy W for the fuji for me. I don’t think people understand the importance of that. Also fuji renders video in 14bit if you’re shooting at 30fps or under. This is why the DR on the fuji is beautiful. If full frame sensors were always better then nobody would use s35 sensors in professional Hollywood films but here we are with Arri.
The stacked sensor comes with the XH2s but not with the XT5 undortunately
@@ThierryGibralta I know 👍🏻
@@adnan_velic oh my bad for some reasons I thought it was a comment on my latest video with the Sony a6700 and the XT5
Apologies ^^
Now a lot of hollywood movies are filmed with full frame camera. S35 had become the standard for its ease of use and cheaper production costs...but not necessarily an artistic question. Now technology has changed and full frame is slowly starting to become the standard in Hollywood…
14bit sensor data to log? Because at the end it’s only 10bit and s5 mkiix have 0.1 more dynamic range than x-h2s
I want both.
is lumix s5iix as good as xh2s for bird photography
No , stack sensor is better for speed
I was considering picking up a S5ii in the future but after spending a bunch on money on X mount lenses I just ordered a X-S20….
The X-S20 is great value for what it can do!
I’m selling my S5ii and lenses, and keeping the X-H2s. While I love the video features of the S5ii, I had one client comment on the “warped” vertical lines of a scene outside the window of a moving car and it was enough for me to know it wasn’t the right camera for me and my client work.
Even though the X-H2s has some quirks, and lacking some tools that I hope comes to the camera via firmware (since the tools will be found on their new GFX 100 II) I’ve never had a client comment on rolling shutter.
Since I do commercial photography with the GFX 100s, it’s likely I add that body and exclusively shoot Fujifilm. However, I do hope they make an actual cinema camera.
Fuji has better AF, better colors, better sensor (DR, rolling shutter ect), battery life and CF-B. And sensor size is a non issue, it's lens aperture that matters and the XH2s has some really fast native glass.
When you transition from Fuji to Lumix the catched more my eyes from small to big ahaha 😅
Ahah true 😆
FUJI is magic!
I don't have this problem with the S5IIX and I compare it with my a7 IV, which is very good... you should put the focus zone in a wide zone in addition to human
Maybe also include actual footage next time
Maybe watch the whole video next time?
@@ThierryGibralta i did, a shot to show iso or f-log vs v-log is not actual footage. Also both camera's can shoot phototos but there is no examples.
af is better on s5II
Fuji interface doesnt like cinematography.
S5ii rolling shutter sux
There videos showing S5ii af is better. Now he says its better in xh2s 😂
The crop in 60p on the Panasonic, makes the Fuji the clear winner.
Well fuji already have a crop
full frame vs aps-c is already 1.6x crop
@@bathygao No, it’s actually 1.5, but you’re missing the point. When shooting Fuji, I am using my lens of choice for the particular shoot intended. When I change from 24 frames to 60 frames,
I don’t lose resolution and I don’t have to change lenses as it doesn’t crop in any further. When I tested the Panasonic, I was shooting an indoor event in a tight space. The moment I wanted to shoot some slow motion, I missed the moment because going from 24 frames to 60 crops in and I couldn’t back up, so I had to stop and change lens. That is the point about the crop, not the comparison between ff and apsc.
It would be interesting with an af test with stills on the xh2s with your girlfriend walking/running towards the camera like you did with the xt5 :)
Ahah unfortunately I had limited time to perform those tests this time but I will do it in the future again with her help
No one (here or anywhere else on UA-cam), talks about bitrates or color sampling. XH2S wins by a mile on bitrates (easily up to three times higher in some cases).
Also, S5IIX is severely crippled when filming open gate (4:2:0 only, no All-I, no ProRes, no HDMI RAW, 200 Mbps only...). XH2S has no such issues. On the XH2S, open gate is a first class citizen. On the S5IIX, it's only useful for social media.
Fuji needs to get better at video usability (shutter angle, waveform and oscilloscope, etc.) and of course get MUCH better at video AF. Those might be firmware improvements. No way to firmware-improve second class open gate on the S5IIX.
If only Fuji could get a comparable IBIS to the magic of Panasonic...
One gate in prores for tik tok or Instagram 😂😂😂. You have on the s5iix 5.8 17:9 in prores 422 wich you can record on external ssd better than the fuji here. The s5ii is crippled, and it even got better wich external raw recording for free now. But the s5iix has everything what fuji has Prores 422 all intra etc.
We now these days need cinema camera for tik tok or Instagram....
"promosm"
The value of aps-c is the size and weight saving you make up for the loss of quality on a crop sensor. Unless you're gaining from the crop with telephoto or something the better choice will be the S5II. Fujifilm doesn't take advantage of potential faster readout speeds on the sensor to gain better AF, so the S5II has superior AF despite the larger sensor too. The X-H is basically the same size so it even lost a lot of its advantage there - When the sensor is half the size the camera probably could have been too. There is nothing really that Fujifilm are doing better here. They're just making 4th place behind Sony, Canon, and Panasonic fullframe. Rather than offering something different like they used to, they're trying to make the same, but worse?
It's great for bird photographers though. They like the extra crop to get closer with good resolution and a very heavy body to balance the long telephoto lenses. For everyone else this is all of the negatives of fullframe with all of the negatives of aps-c. 😂
Of course, the Fuji has far faster readout speeds. That seems to be offering something different. Whether you need it or not is, of course, only for you to decide.
Sorry pall , i lost you at the moment when you talked about the EVF.. its very clear that the Fuji EVF has a much bigger and better resolution and is SO much better to look trough.. i didnt bother to finish the rest of the comparisation since this is allready a big wrong finding.
Have you tried to use both and look through both yourself?
@@ThierryGibralta This guy is caught up on the specs. I love my Fujifilm XH2S EVF. Its EVF does have an objectively higher resolution (5.76M vs 3.68M), marginally better magnification (.8 vs .78), and more consistent 120hz refresh rate. However, we know nothing about its brightness, which you mention here. All you said is you prefer the brighter EVF on the Panasonic. That isn't listed on the spec sheet. Thank you for mentioning it.
@@justcallmebones Definitely just sharing my opinion and experience here… Apparently it is a wrong finding XD
Cheers
I have both bodies, and I do prefer the EVF on the Fuji. If brightness is on manual, and turned all the way up vs brightness turned all the way up on the S5ii, the X-H2s is objectively brighter. However, he may have had it on Automatic+5 where it’s just +5 brighter which is not the same as Manual +5
Enjoyed the video. S5IIX 👍I got the pre order deal which came with 2 lenses, the 20-60mm kit lens and the 50mm 1.8 prime for ¥370,000 at Yodobashi Camera. The yen is taking a hit.
Yeah man, I feel poor now 😂