Genghis Khan would've totally used wisards in his army, because, from his point of view, he did. There were Mongol shamans among the troops who were believed to call for spirits' aid in battle, and Genghis Khan himself was believed to be a powerful shaman. You probably could've gotten away with using a wizard :)
Genghis specifically sought out shamans to help his conquests, since Mongols expected to have them call on the aid of spirits in combat. And once the empire was formed, they would seek out holy men of other religions on the basis that they might as well call on all of them. He would have totally capped out on wizards.
In the Mongol Empire the "khagan" or "great khan" was an elected position. "Kurultai" is what the election meeting was called. So yeah, there were Elector Khans.
He did use auto resolve. It was called the three tents threat. The first day was a white tent and if they surrendered all was good, they just took tribute. If they raised the red tent that was a fight and inhabitants were enslaved. If he raised the black tent the city was razed to the ground with no survivors.
Karl Franz should be quite familiar with the "Cantabrian Circle" because it's very similar to the Renaissance Caracole that the Empire's Pistoliers are undoubtedly capable of.
I mean, they do tho. Kislev cav is better the empire cav. Kossars are just super cost effective so people mindlessly spam them without using the other parts of the roster.
"Would you believe it, Genghis Khan didn't actually use wizards in his army" - who knew? For some reason that line cracked me up, keep up the great content mate, always a treat!
i distinctly remember using a mongolian hellstorm rocket battery to blow up ships in ghost of tsushima and I have no reason to doubt its historical accuracy
@@JackPhoenixCz I'm so smrt my bullshit may accidentally be the truth. Or i read about it somewhere and it got shoved down into my subconscious. Regardless, ty for the info
Having grenade launchers sounds viable for Mongolian Horde as there are records of Mongols using primitive grenades in Japan which called tetsuhau (てつはう), I'm sure they used them in the continent and might have developed handheld launcher like in this game.
Cata circle only works with horse archer long range, so the entire thing can fire. The circle was a tactic vs enemy archers most of the fire land in middle where its empty..
Actually, circular fire returned with the advent of handheld firearms! Just as Marian tactics returned for infantry, early modern cavalry like the Schwartz Ritters would harass enemy lines with carousel fire. Basically you'd unload your pistols when you near the enemy lines, then use the remainder of the circle to reload as you rode out of range! Very effective, particularly before the mass adoption of true muskets
Great fun! Genghis used about 40% lancers to 60% horse archer skirmishers. Kislev is perfect for Genghis-style battles. High Elves are OK for this too but too expensive.
You joke at 8:00 but as soon as Genghis Khan's forces were met with gunpowder bombs during his conquest of the Jin dynasty, he became a really big fan of them and incorporated gunpowder into his own army.
Dear old Ghengis did of course also use infantry in his main forces (esp allied contingents), so there was no need to crimp yourself quite so much, but looks like you had fun experimenting!
Great video! Khan was famous for destroying or conscripting conquered settlements into the army. I would have loved to see one where its a mishmash of outpost generated cav from different armies! Very flavourfula
I did this with Tyrion. It was nasty. High elf skirmish cav and raider light cav in early game, late same skirmish cav but silver hands and dragon princes for heavy and just crushing it
Very nice videos, very creative ideas, I've started re-enjoying warhammer iii with Nakai and his crocodile gang, Ghengis Karl or Balthasar Bonaparte might be next
This is some good stuff right here. Not a fan of auto resolve in my own campaigns but it really helps the flow of these videos and keeps it tight on the action. Well done!
This was awesome, what a great idea, not like the normal grind that we've seen hundreds of times. My only question is: why only 20 mins? This much fun shouldn't be rationed 😁👍
And this is probs the best reason why I want Knights Panther to be an "anti-large" cavalry and Knights of the White Wolf to be the melee cavalry. It would complete the Empire's knightly corps.
8:59 "Bretonia hates me for some reason. Apparently they were friends with the successionists." Nah man, they're just jealous of Genghis Karl and his superior Cav Tactics!
I love your videos, I discovered your channel through your tactics guide and subscribed instantly I enjoy watching your video more than most wh content creator because your always creative, willing to teach and you manage to give a better understanding of what's actually going Thank you for that and see you in the next one
Not quite, a large cav army in real life would actually be slower. You would have to build pens for the horses, bring fodder for places with sparse vegetation, grooming equipment, etc. it’s hard enough trying to move infantry, but add horses to that equation it becomes much more difficult. Not impossible, but more tedious.
Aaaah, this brings the Mongol Invasion from Medieval 2 to mind. I'll never forget the fire arrows raining down on my armoured swordsmen in the middle of the night. A great game.
Only infantry can use siege stuff. Also keep in mind it's wh3 so a siege with cavalry in it would simply be backcapping because wh3 sieges are the worst of any total war game, including wh2
Siege Defense i always autoresolve even when on Victory.i cannot seem to defend the walls with the ai ladder spam and the walls are generally useless anyway. I remember in rome total war that sieges where big and with a small force you can definitely beat a lot of units.but in war hammer it is impossible to stop an attacking force with all those open holes in your defenses.
I whish there was a Khanate Golden Horde level Cavalry unit. Fast riders, Accurate armor piercing missiles, world class heavy armor, world class mounted/dismounted melee, and most importantly with their pet warrior eagles.
I would say if you could get a wizard or hero that does poison damage you could keep him. Cuz Mongols were the type to use chemical warfare, if I remember correctly.
As a history buff, I really appreciate how you exemplified Genghis Khan's exceptional use of the autoresolve.
When your generals fought most of your empire's battles.
Ah the glorious 3 tent threat lol
Every battle without a detailed record was an Auto Battle. Few people know that ;)
@@ernimuja6991lol isent that what should happen ?
@@satanwithinternet2753 Alexander, Julius Caesar and Napoleon fought most of their battles.
Genghis Khan would've totally used wisards in his army, because, from his point of view, he did. There were Mongol shamans among the troops who were believed to call for spirits' aid in battle, and Genghis Khan himself was believed to be a powerful shaman. You probably could've gotten away with using a wizard :)
Was gonna comment this exact thing lol
Lore of beasts maybe?
@@SaltyRocksPew definitely
Not only that but the mongolian empire embraced all religions in its court as advisors and bureaucrats.
History revisionism.
Genghis Khan often used wizards and won battles by spamming pendulum and burning head rather than horse archers
Genghis specifically sought out shamans to help his conquests, since Mongols expected to have them call on the aid of spirits in combat. And once the empire was formed, they would seek out holy men of other religions on the basis that they might as well call on all of them. He would have totally capped out on wizards.
A priest, a rabbi, and an imam walk into a mongol siege camp…
@@misanthropicservitorofmars2116 gets high end jobs
@@misanthropicservitorofmars2116 To be honest Genghis Khan was one of the first to start doing rewarding by merit.
@@broadmoretungyou don’t have time for nepotism when you are out to conquer the whole world
*Summon the Elector-Khans!*
it was a legit thing in mongol empire and its called Kural Tie
In the Mongol Empire the "khagan" or "great khan" was an elected position.
"Kurultai" is what the election meeting was called.
So yeah, there were Elector Khans.
The Elector Count of Ostland looks like a Mongol commander so you're not wrong.
Karl here out-cavalrying the Bretonnians here.
Genghis Khan would totally use wizards and autoresolve if he had the chance.
Man, I really wished the Bretonnians were chosen for this challenge. They are my absolute favorite faction.
Funny because in lore a Knight Errant would be more than a match for a fully fledged Empire knight
He did use auto resolve. It was called the three tents threat. The first day was a white tent and if they surrendered all was good, they just took tribute. If they raised the red tent that was a fight and inhabitants were enslaved. If he raised the black tent the city was razed to the ground with no survivors.
@@JohnSmith-bs9ym
Bretonnians don't have missile cavalry though, so it wouldn't really be a mongol-style army.
@@aclassicguardsman946 they have mounted yeomen archers so bretonnia would have arguably been MORE fitting.
Karl Franz should be quite familiar with the "Cantabrian Circle" because it's very similar to the Renaissance Caracole that the Empire's Pistoliers are undoubtedly capable of.
Yeah that's an intresting concept, btw you're 100% right, if the khan had wizards, he would've for sure use them.
He had wizards alltho those were called shamans but its the same thing. But they only had some buff magic no fancy fireballs.
@@Jebu911Buff magic? Oh drugs xD
I wish the Kislevites where a bit more focused on that kind of playstyle.
I mean, they do tho. Kislev cav is better the empire cav. Kossars are just super cost effective so people mindlessly spam them without using the other parts of the roster.
In the lore they're described as horsemen. I wish they had an armor piercing or bonus vs infantry horse archer unit.
Horse archers + winged landers
Fortunately demons have low armor and no sheilds
@@christianweibrecht6555 As Kislev you have to fight WoC and chaos dwarfs constantly
@@-V-_-V- Not the Gospodars, but the Ungols.
"Would you believe it, Genghis Khan didn't actually use wizards in his army" - who knew?
For some reason that line cracked me up, keep up the great content mate, always a treat!
But he did use shamans to hype up his army so using wizards would have been fair here. Its not like khan used pistols either.
I remember how Genghis Khan gave his troops guns
*And explosives capable of destroying entire regiments in mere moments.
i distinctly remember using a mongolian hellstorm rocket battery to blow up ships in ghost of tsushima and I have no reason to doubt its historical accuracy
But didn't use mages.
@@SaltyRocksPewin Medieval Total War 2 the Mongols have a Mongol Rocket Launcher, as well as Naffatum (infantry that throws incendiary bombs).
Gunpowder DID get to Europe thanks to Mongols (possibly directly, possibly through Middle East).
@@JackPhoenixCz I'm so smrt my bullshit may accidentally be the truth.
Or i read about it somewhere and it got shoved down into my subconscious.
Regardless, ty for the info
Having grenade launchers sounds viable for Mongolian Horde as there are records of Mongols using primitive grenades in Japan which called tetsuhau (てつはう), I'm sure they used them in the continent and might have developed handheld launcher like in this game.
Yeah, my thoughts as well. I swear I read about a few Mongolian troops using a very primitive explosive device in the west.
they were surrendered song troops
really really REALLY and i mean R E A L L Y fun video idea.
id love to see more like this
Cata circle only works with horse archer long range, so the entire thing can fire. The circle was a tactic vs enemy archers most of the fire land in middle where its empty..
Actually, circular fire returned with the advent of handheld firearms! Just as Marian tactics returned for infantry, early modern cavalry like the Schwartz Ritters would harass enemy lines with carousel fire. Basically you'd unload your pistols when you near the enemy lines, then use the remainder of the circle to reload as you rode out of range!
Very effective, particularly before the mass adoption of true muskets
Great fun! Genghis used about 40% lancers to 60% horse archer skirmishers. Kislev is perfect for Genghis-style battles. High Elves are OK for this too but too expensive.
There is no word for "too expensive" in elven dictionary.
You joke at 8:00 but as soon as Genghis Khan's forces were met with gunpowder bombs during his conquest of the Jin dynasty, he became a really big fan of them and incorporated gunpowder into his own army.
Dear old Ghengis did of course also use infantry in his main forces (esp allied contingents), so there was no need to crimp yourself quite so much, but looks like you had fun experimenting!
You'll be telling me he didn't use grenade launchers next. Pft.
Great video! Khan was famous for destroying or conscripting conquered settlements into the army. I would have loved to see one where its a mishmash of outpost generated cav from different armies! Very flavourfula
You could do Cantabrian circles on a unit level in Rome Total War.
What a great video, probably one of your best and one of my favourite of all time!
Keep up this energy 👍🏻
I did this with Tyrion. It was nasty. High elf skirmish cav and raider light cav in early game, late same skirmish cav but silver hands and dragon princes for heavy and just crushing it
Best vid so far mate keep up the amazing work and stay safe.
Love the video, can't wait to see more wacky tactics pulled off in this format.
I’ve looked up plenty of ancient war tactics to play these games, they still work amazingly well lol
Really like the video idea Zerk, would love to see more of these!
>2023
>Guns still don't have reload animations despite this being a thing in total war almost 20 years ago
Very nice videos, very creative ideas, I've started re-enjoying warhammer iii with Nakai and his crocodile gang, Ghengis Karl or Balthasar Bonaparte might be next
This is some good stuff right here.
Not a fan of auto resolve in my own campaigns but it really helps the flow of these videos and keeps it tight on the action.
Well done!
Zerk you always make great content but this one was by far the most entertaining, funny and educative.
Thank you!
Would be really interesting to see a mod that reflects the mongols, stuff like starting out with a horde army
Finally some of the Empire factions utilising their OP horses .
I recently tried a Mongol themed army comp with Bretonnia. Let me tell you, grail knights w/ perfect vigor plus yeoman archers are pretty effective.
This was awesome, what a great idea, not like the normal grind that we've seen hundreds of times. My only question is: why only 20 mins? This much fun shouldn't be rationed 😁👍
I love how you did all of it within just few turns... i'm still trying to figured out how to beat empire campaing on the first game hahaha
He's on turn 24 before the video is even halfway done. I wouldn't say "a few turns" 😅
Excellent use of that Takeda Fire Cavalry, beautiful work
Awesome. Love your themed campaigns.
I believe chords with the wolf archers are the most khan like playstyle
With the hobgoblins
And this is probs the best reason why I want Knights Panther to be an "anti-large" cavalry and Knights of the White Wolf to be the melee cavalry. It would complete the Empire's knightly corps.
My hand aches just watching this...
Sun tzu once said, "ain't no one got any time for that"....
You had some damn good camera work for this vid, great cinematography ❤
8:59 "Bretonia hates me for some reason. Apparently they were friends with the successionists."
Nah man, they're just jealous of Genghis Karl and his superior Cav Tactics!
I was constantly laughing. Great video. When you did the deadpan delivery that Genghis Khan did not actually use wizards I lost it!
> gets an amethyst wizard
> doesn't restart
I love your videos, I discovered your channel through your tactics guide and subscribed instantly
I enjoy watching your video more than most wh content creator because your always creative, willing to teach and you manage to give a better understanding of what's actually going
Thank you for that and see you in the next one
In previous Total Wars games, armies made entirely of calvary had larger campaign movement ranges. Is that the case with Warhammer?
Not quite, a large cav army in real life would actually be slower. You would have to build pens for the horses, bring fodder for places with sparse vegetation, grooming equipment, etc. it’s hard enough trying to move infantry, but add horses to that equation it becomes much more difficult. Not impossible, but more tedious.
@@RebelCannonClub74 Think he's asking about the games ngl
No, because it is probably harder to define what cavalry is in a fantasy setting
No, movement range is the same regardless of army comp.
@@RebelCannonClub74 This is so fucking incorrect lmao.
"I've heard Genghis Khan didn't use wizards, so I recruited heavy knights in playemail and grenade launchers"
After you beat all of the campaigns in WH3, RP is absolutely the funnest way to continue enjoy this gem. This was a great idea!
Most likely during my next kislev / empire campaign, spear infantry & ranged clavary will be my main army composition
using your court wizard as a spy definitely feels like a Genghis Khan move
"His pet hammer Ghal Maraz for walkies" god damn thats funny
@Giveaway_OfficialZerkovich oh sweet a zerkovich bot named Official Zerkovich 😃
18:38 The Mongols were quite famous for their siege equipment -- all's good ;)
Aaaah, this brings the Mongol Invasion from Medieval 2 to mind. I'll never forget the fire arrows raining down on my armoured swordsmen in the middle of the night. A great game.
Genghis Khan had amazing engineers building his siege machines.
I can confirm as somene who has ready a lot of history books, Ghenghis Khan *did* absolutely love a grenade launcher.
Didn’t think it would work in fantasy setting
Wonderful video! Keep it up!
Love ur thematic videos lately. Loved the semi circle thing
mongol armies went freaking insaneo mode with siege equipment, actually, so no problem there
It always amazes me how thousands of jears old tactics still work in a simplified video game.
"If there's anything I learned as a Follower of the Apocalypse, it's that there's a lot of good information in old books."
Ah, demigryph! Chengis' favorite mount!
you are not allowed to call Ghal Moraz a pet hammer XD
12:12 It is like that scene from the beginning of Gladiator!
wow, Karl Franz , a figure based on German HRE use carricole , which the german ritters used quite a lot, what a beautiful sight
That "Oh Scheiße" at 1:27 was very great! Very german.
I rewatch this video only for the hilarious intro
Love these types of videos, you are doing a great job, keep em coming!! 👍
Surprised you didnt try a single feigned retreat strategy
So you will be turning Kislevites into a living stage and feasting on it. This action has my consent.
Loved the cavalry tactics, looked very flashy
This would be a fun campaign to watch :)
Mongols had siege weapons and became master at sieging so keeping some artilerry would make total sense
8:02Yes a grande launcher a very Genghis Khan tactic
"So can we get out of this" AI: Not Likely.
I mean the Mongols(Genghis Khan specifically) DID use a similar system to The Elector Counts so this makes a lot of sense!
i cant belive kempler was able to take marienburg XD
Mongol in fantasy : chaos worshipping barbarian.
Mongol in 40k : loyal hero of imperium and the exterminator of xenos.
“I did what Genghis Khan would do, and recruited a few regiments of renown”
Finally figured out how Ghenghis Khan got such a large empire… cheesing the auto resolve with ranged cav.
you are funny man, I love your videos, this one if my favourite, thank you for making them, cheers.
Jenghis The Everchosen is quite fun as well 😛
This makes me want to try mainly cavalry with Kislev now
Genghis Karl :D
Damn, you beat me to it lol😂.
Nice
Ghengis Khan did love his siege engines. You could have kept the mortars lol.
Ah yes Ghenghis Khan's use of wizards everyone knows about that lol (love it o7)
I should've watched further before commenting that oops lol
Could do this but with Kislev, Possibly Tzar Boris within the Chaos Wastes.
I think you should’ve kept the siege weaponry, since Genghis Khan used those to seige settlements
Only infantry can use siege stuff. Also keep in mind it's wh3 so a siege with cavalry in it would simply be backcapping because wh3 sieges are the worst of any total war game, including wh2
Siege Defense i always autoresolve even when on Victory.i cannot seem to defend the walls with the ai ladder spam and the walls are generally useless anyway. I remember in rome total war that sieges where big and with a small force you can definitely beat a lot of units.but in war hammer it is impossible to stop an attacking force with all those open holes in your defenses.
More Please! One idea could be Pike and Shot tactics used by the Dutch. Tercio Formation
we need history lessons like this
I whish there was a Khanate Golden Horde level Cavalry unit. Fast riders, Accurate armor piercing missiles, world class heavy armor, world class mounted/dismounted melee, and most importantly with their pet warrior eagles.
I would say if you could get a wizard or hero that does poison damage you could keep him. Cuz Mongols were the type to use chemical warfare, if I remember correctly.
Grenadiers are stupidly strong early-mid game. Much fun 😝
I see Karl's keeping up his habit of stealing hats
Genghis used siege weapons, so the cannon should have stayed!
That’s not fair, if he had magery the greatest of Khans would have used them, absolutely. He was very good at using what he had available.
you could do the circle easier by putting them in a locked group, then using the alt right click to rotate the formation
I am reading that book right now. Holy shit.
Thank you! I planned to try these tactic for a few months. Just with Orks, I'd never play with Imperial scums xD
18:46
The first time I heard it I thaugt you said that you had the opportunity to confederate the golden horde.
I know its for the ghengis KARL pun. But if you truly what mongol tactics you need mounted yeomen with bows.
I can't. That's funnier than it should be
Nade riders are basically the infantry clapping unit, doesnt even matter what infantry. Its gonna die.