Tobias Forge of Ghost on Satan, Religion, and Belief (Interviews).
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- Опубліковано 29 кві 2021
- There seems to be some debate as to what Tobias personally believes, so I pulled from a bunch of different interviews where he talks about his own personal relationship with "Satan," his views on organized religion, and belief.
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i just saw ghost last night. so hard to imagine this is the guy that is up on the stage moving, dancing, and singing with such energy. his stage persona is amazing
i was there too
i wish i was there 😭
I hear there have been some pretty terrible things done by people who claim to follow Satan too. Just a few.
@@thescarletandgrey2505 don’t care. Love the music regardless.
@@thescarletandgrey2505 It's called the modern satanic panic, if you look it up, everything explained. Just rumors.
I like that Tobias can be talking to a professional interviewer, child, or a random fan and seems to try hard to give thoughtful and honest answers to questions. It's hilarious that a guy that made a career behind false personas is much more genuine than the majority of faces you see in the media.
More genuine than ALL the faces of media nowadays haha
Lol, seeing Tobias try to explain these rather arcane and deep thoughts to that kid was so sweet.
Class act guy.
He is… such a calm person and seems so nice to be around. And he is extremely talented when it comes to melodies, lyrics and conveying messages in his songs. Not to forget that he’s so good at playing his characters that you sometimes can’t wrap your head around the fact that it is literally him dancing and fooling around on stage and in the chapters. Like I can imagine Tobias being Copia but definitely not the other way round! 🤣
Can't say I better
He's a douche
I’m catholic and love Ghost the music is great and everyone has their own beliefs. If you aren’t secure enough in your own religion then that’s your fault
👌
right there with you, bud ....
Would it be ironic to say "amen"?
haha, the state of the Catholic Church right now. "Dude, just do you!" lol
Fr me and my dad are catholic too and we can’t get enough of ghost
Tobias' thoughts on Devil/God are very close to William Blake's universe concept where Devil represents creativity and freedom and God is a symbol of total control and stagnation. It's just awesome how Tobias combined such interesting religious, visual and music elements in one project! The thing with Papas' changing and Ghouls anonymity is very cool! Thanks for the video, it helps to understand the Ghost concept much better!
I always thought of it as nature/civilization so that is a similar concept
You will come to want God to be in control. We hurt ourselves choosing everything.
I'm a Christian and Ghost is my favorite band. Love people for who they are and accept them with an open mind and heart.
God is love.
Amen. Same. Just because the songs are made with the devil in mind, it’s who listens to it who makes the music what they want to mean. I don’t listen with the devil in mind but take the beauty to it.
God is a child murderer, just read the bible
Yes!! I am not personally Christian but it’s really refreshing to see a Christian not be judgy of someone else’s beliefs :)
@@glamorouslynothere4785 honestly it makes me so sad to hear people who aren’t religious or Christian to hear their meetings with harsh Christian’s. The homophobic, racist ones. Because we all aren’t like that. I’m a Christian myself and I have a friend who is a satanist and a friend who is agnostic and we are very close and all three of us went to the ghost concert in Youngstown on Tuesday Night!!! ❤️ ❤️ much love ❤️
So when God tells you to reject anything that has to do with Evil… what do you think about that?
I'm a Roman Catholic through and through, and I love Ghost. My peers aren't fans, but they don't mind me listening to it.
The coolest guy on this planet right now
Not a fan of the Devil worship, but while I am a Christian, I enjoy Ghost's music (Prequelle and IMPERA) and do not believe I am damned for enjoying the art.
Same here!
There is no reason to believe in damnation at all. And what a truly wonderful thing that is! Break free from the fear!
@@Cybeldina I'm slowly entertaining that idea. My toes are on the edge of the cliff. Logic brain is ready. Brainwashed brain not so sure. I've seen a legit ghost before (and I'm a skeptic) so I know there's something after death but I don't logically think I can believe in the heaven and hell concept anymore.
Satanism doesn't permit devil worship if you are adherant to the 5th Satanic Tenent.
(Beliefs should conform to our best scientific understanding of the world. We should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit our beliefs.)
If Satanists worship anything, they worship you.
The best parts of you where the light of Lucifer shines on the world to give everyone grace and hope.
@theodorebear6714 please research what you're saying..
My mother wasn't religious at all, but my grandmother was, but not oppressively so. We still had to go to church on Sundays, and I never minded it. In fact I enjoyed it, and one of the big reasons was the choir and the music. Plus it was nice to think about things other than the mundane for an hour or so. And social. The beliefs of the world was something I sought out and always find interesting. I adore Ghost!
more people need to watch this and understand and just dont call the band itself "bad"
He gives the mysteries secrets so smoothly in his speech
Some of the comments from Christians here are genuinely frightening, but I love that you took the time to put this together since it's such a topic of debate among new fans especially.
Tobias is just a wonderful guy, so intelligent, articulate, and charming. I'd love to have a chat with him about so many things.
I don’t see the comments you’re referring to. Does she even exist?
They're genuinely just saying they don't like him worshipping the devil lmfao. Not sure what there is to be scared about
Are those frightening comments in the room with us right now?
I’ve been reading the comments for the past 15 min and I have not come across any of these frightening comments from Christians you’re talking about lol and I’m not defending them I’m not even religious but don’t lie 😂🤣
I like how they take the time to explain to that kid what they are about in a way that he seemed to really listen and understand. My daughter is 8 and picked to go see Ghost rather than Alan walker or Demi lovato \m/
I am a Christian, read the bible every day. I absolutely love the band Ghost and their music. No conflict here. Forge is a very smart and thoughtful person. Refreshing to hear his views.
There’s something wrong in this equation
I’m sure that when it comes to beliefs in god I’m sure he knows the difference between enjoying a band and worshipping the devil himself
In name only? If there is no conflict, then reading the bible is all you do. I'd the bible doesn't conflict with antichristian lyrics that are antithetical to the gospel itself, I would seriously look inward and ask why.
@@joshhigdon4951 well in the Bible god states that music exists to help bring you closer to him and strengthen your connection with him however there are many songs out there aside from metal that have nothing to do with god and almost give the complete opposite impression
@@slapshotjack9806 the bible says that? Could you point me to the text?
At 4:12 after that deep one sided chat, I like to imagine seeing the camera finally pan over to where he was facing, and to see a bewildered 3 year old sitting up on a dresser.
I would
Love to see this teacher and him have an interview together now.
She's probably dead. He's 40 now so this was close to 30 years ago. Would be interesting though.
@@papaskazoo5860 Dead? Fingers crossed lol
@@graceshrines Tobias mentioned that she was in her 60's when this happened, so most likely!
@@papaskazoo5860 good that's good ;}
This. Guy. Gets it.
Bro Iv listened to ghost since 2017 and just figured out Tobias took the mask off. I always downloaded the albums blared them loud as I could and just never kept up with them. Back in 2016 they were at a festival in Va beach Va and played there hearts out for an hour. I could not believe how good they were. So glad they are finally getting there moment
Excellent compilation. Pretty much sums it all up.
I just discovered this band about 3 months ago. Instant fan
same thing happened to me lol
Same here.
And I actually have been more happier with my life.
I feel better about myself.
@@amberhamilton5586 That is a good feeling
Same here. My work colleague recommended Impera to me. Killer record. One banger after the other.
Omg same!!!
It’s impossible not to love this guy.
I love Tobias' views.
Tobias is a very smart man.
THATS WHAT IM SAYING
Tobias' relationship with the devil isn't about worshipping evil, it's about worshipping freedom, sure, as a Christian, I have my own reservations about his views, but God finds salvation for all. Again this man does not believe in evil and chaos, he just sees some sort of.. balance. That others don't see
I think so too, yes 😊
Tobias speaks the truth. Living in the south, i know first hand.
Extremely interesting point of view to explain freedom of thought and art over Christian control homage control.
I'm a Christian and i can't understand, why people say you betray your god, when you listen to Ghost. Why ?. No i don't betray my god
I don't either, it really gets you thinking spiritual things, IMO. And it really is just artistic expression and entertainment. Great interviews here.
Because if the art isn't through christ and God's glory then it's for satan
I didn't make your stupid rules 😹 Maybe find a new club
Your faith is strong I see
Ive never been impressed when I hear him speak in character during shows. But Damn...on the DL he is a really articulate dude. I swear I mean this as a compliment.
dude is a nice guy but he's definitely not articulate... at all. lmfao
@@RearrangeGinger I'd say so.
@@RearrangeGinger did you watch the video?
@@RearrangeGinger you seem very articulate yourself...dude
That man onstage is a character accent and clothing wise but all that shit he says is real and he feels comfy saying what he says cuz he's in a mask and when ur in a mask u tell the truth
I’d love to hear more on this topic.
This is such a refreshing take on religion and "Satan"
He’s very intelligent if you ask me!❤️
this man is the GOAT
this dude looks so young yet so talented
Lol, I laughed when he said, no one qualifies to get into heaven.
very deep insights!
Just kind of getting into Ghost now. Like their music. I see they have members in the band that are referred to as Nameless Ghoul. Do they have any members in the band that are referred to as Nameless Ass Ghoul?
What a serene chap.
I'm a newer fan and I am in awe & in love with this band. I see a parallel with Kiss (I'm that old) but amped way up with the 'message' that life isn't all doom & gloom... Life is meant to be celebrated and this guy does it through music. What I've seen in the live clips is that these shows are amazingly entertaining. If you go a bit deeper than the visuals you can hear the lyrics and songwriting are so sophisticated and beautiful. My interpretation of the devil is the manifestation of evil that all people are capable of. Tobias states that Ghost is a band, a theatrical group meant for entertainment, take what you may from that. I hope to see them live on the next tour, juuuust missed the NJ show a few weeks ago.
6:55 THAT LAUGH
I had to scroll too far to find a comment about it 😂 That laugh is peak Tobias goofery 🖤
I feel bad he had bad experiences with Christians. I feel like he was almost let down... thats sad to me as a christian.
I feel like he’s just very intellectual and actually makes sense. He speaks truth. Think about it.. in the name of religion, so much blood has been shed and so many issues raised. That’s what he’s saying. He’s talking about religion as a whole.
I feel that. Even as a Christian, I’ve been hurt a lot from the church and other Christian friends and family members. I saw a post that said “I’m sorry the church hurt you, that was humanity, not Jesus”. And yes I understand that humans are fallible and imperfect, but when people claim a deities name yet do not reflect any attributions of that said deity and do what they please at the expense of others feelings or well-being, it’s difficult to be enticed toward that religion or group of people who believe what they believe in… and also gives that said religion or group a bad reputation. Even for me, I am struggling with my own beliefs and questioning my faith. But it’s great to hear others stories and perspectives, especially when it’s different from your own upbringing. It gives you a new outlook on things. I do like his viewpoint and beliefs, and I love how genuine and open he is about them.
@@amyellage4764 the issue is religion. That’s what destroys the whole thing and makes Christians (like myself) look bad. Religion is bad. It’s faith that’s the good part in all of it. Most people unfortunately let religion get in the way and let the man made rules take over.
Makes me sad that a lot of people have bad experiences because of that.
Religion poisons everything.
@@amyellage4764 He is confusing religion and faith. Those were acts of man, not acts of God or Christ. God gave man free will.
You also have to remember that the devil is NOT the leader/controller of hell. Biblically god is. The devil is only another soul damned to eternal torment, for going against god's ideals.
He’s the biblical Sisyphus
i love this man
Tobias does a great job. It's great music that hits all levels. It kinda theatrical.
Love this man
While I disagree with Tobias' views on Satan/the Devil as he relates to Christianity, Jewdaism, etc. I can understand where he is coming from to a degree. I am a Christian and one glaring issue that people seem to have with Christianity is with Christians who are not very likeable people. It is no secret to me that many people consider Christians to be hypocrites, and it is often said that Christians in restaurants on Sunday are the hardest to deal with. Ironic right? Well it is true, but not all Christians are that way, and I would venture to say most of them aren't. Christians are hypocrites because we aren't perfect, and that's why we need a God to save us.
That's why God came down to earth in the form of a man named Jesus, to live a perfect, sinless life, and one day be injustly killed on a cross to take the punishment due for all of our sins so that we won't have to.
I also understand how Tobias said that there are not really any bad things that happened "in the name of the devil", but there are bad things that have happened in the name of God. For example, the Crusades, maybe even Islamic terrorist attacks... Point being, he is right on this. However, we live in a world full of sin and evil that does not happen in the name of God, those evils often happen for some other reason and that is because of Satan/the Devil. (Btw any evil committed in the name of God is not just and not from God.)
Since the fall, God has allowed the devil to reign over the earth, God is still involved don't get me wrong, but by allowing Satan to have control over the earth makes a way for people to choose... to choose a righteous path or a wicked one. The righteous path would be choosing to believe that Jesus Christ died to save you from your sins and then living according to his word, the wicked path would be to go your own separate way. My point is, every bad and evil thing that happens in this world is in some way because of sin, for example, wars.
I also found Tobias' point about how the pop culture devil represents freedom and rebellion, whereas the three "hebrew" religions represent control. This is an idea I can understand, because I sin just like everyone else. Because of that, we all have a natural inclination to sin and rebel, because "freedom!" and "I can do whatever I want" but so often when I sin, I am not happy in the end, and there are unforeseen things that I have lost. Ironically, I feel as though I am trapped in my sinful ways, wanting so bad to be free. That is why, in Christianity, God's word tells us to stay away from such sinful things and when I do, when I choose to stop seeking quick fixes and pleasure, and live God's way, I am happier than ever.
I know this is a very long comment, but I hope I was able to provide some insight, given that I have a differing opinion from Tobias (this comment is on the first 4 mins.) I love a lot of Ghost songs, and it is plain to see that Tobias and the rest of the band have a truly unique talent for making music. Ghost's sound is so unique compared to any other bands I have listened to and I really enjoyed their latest album. Anyway, that's all I have to say. If you read all of this, I'd love to hear your opinions too! God bless.
Right on it's amazing to me people miss the point that God gave the world to satan it says that clearly in The Bible. And God gives us free will and if he didn't then we wouldn't need a savior. I don't claim to know it all and i don't believe it right to judge anyone because that's God's job. But it's flat wrong to say that God is the reason for everything wrong that happens in the world. This tobias just sounds to me like that's what he's saying idk. Anyway i read your comment👍
@@kevinh.6587 Nice work lol But yeah, it is like you said, we should not judge anyone because that's God's job. The important thing is that we can see and understand where Tobias is coming from and unfortunately, his experiences with Christians in his life have shaped the opinions he has. However he seems to be a pretty open minded man, and it is never to late for God to save anyone 🙏
I loved reading your comment. Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts.
I don't know if it's my autism, or if I'm actually stupid. But I'm a bit confused by the message you're trying to spread here.
I doubt you'll respond to this, but some help would be great.
Sincerely, another Christian.
I think you missed his entire point of view.
Catholic here. Ghost rules.
Slaayy
As someone who is not religious I don’t exactly agree with him but I like his music still and people can have their own viewpoints, I know I have felt and seen evil things and I have seen and felt what some would call Holy/ Good things I think most people who were raised right can know what’s right and what’s wrong like that gut feeling, Yes a lot of religious people use their religion as a weapon and try to put you down for not believing the same thing as them but that is not all of them and I have had good experiences and bad experiences with religious people but mostly good I think he is jaded because obviously his experience was bad but doesn’t mean religious organizations as a whole are or that they don’t offer peace, Guidance and can teach morality but again that can go both ways
The greatest bards of our infinite time
Great interview much love ❤ rock on 🤘
there is no hate like christian love =)
Anyone can say that about anything. For example "there is no hate like satanist love".
@@Vekikev1 Satanists dont say that they are loving tho, christian does but is the oposite. thats the big difference
Does anyone know what brand tobias's leather jacket is?
My thing as a Christian is to me God represents all those things, Christians have just been taking him wrong throughout history.
Same
So every other Christian is wrong and you have the right view? OK lol.
Being a Christian for me is about have a relationship with god and feeling safe in dark times. It’s not following a lot of rules. I have experienced a lot of christians being judgmental and pointing the finger on everyone that doesn’t do everything that the Bible says
@Vic LTD He said Christians which amount to billions have been taking God wrong throughout history and he has a different view which could only mean that he thinks his views is the correct one.
Today's church, even Christianity as a hole is not what Christ intended. So if that's what Satanist use as justification for what they belive about 'the church' of today then yeah I completely get it.
I knew people that wouldnt let their kids watch the Adams Family or the Munsters. What kind of hell are you in that you would make your kids miss such amazing shows?
He's amazing
The guy is so talented 😍 👏 🤧 🙌
Just seen ghost....I was treated to twin temples, uncle acid and the deadbeats and then the clergy.
Fuck me a showman that Tobais is.
I miss the more lo-fi costumes and it's great to see how they have evolved.
He's 100% right about people believing in things that they don't understand. That's where I am and part of why I dropped religion as a whole. Cause in reality, things are bigger than us so how can we claim to know things beyond us? We can't. That's why I stopped. Believe what you will, but he has a very very very good point. We. Do. Not. Know. Terrifying but true all the same. 24:10
Satan Doesn't make good music.
Tobias Forge does.
Lucifer was actually in charge of worship in heaven so it makes sense that he’d make good music
Zacharya Sitchin retells the biblical story as that if two celestial brothers, the Sumerian gods Enki and Enlil, sons of Anu (Anunnaki). Enki takes the role of god as creator, and also the devil as temptator. Enlil takes the role of god as judge and destroyer. There is an Opera Rock, Mensageiros do Vento, that illustrates Sitchin’s ideas.
Oh my gosh is the little kid interviewing him Elliot Fullman from Terrifier 2?! He looks so much like him!
I can see the light shining in his soul.
From these interviews i want to like him...well spoken and intelligent.. But as far as ghost music is concerned i dont like how it has become more pop than metal...i wish they would have stayed more on the path that there 1rst cd was on with songs like Elizabeth... Still a great band tho simply for the fact that they have fantastic musicianship and offer something diff for fans of music
at this point it's ridiculous to see people saying that ghost isn't satanist. what tobias said in this interview is what satanism is, and me, as a satanist, have the same feelings about it.
Isn't it obvious that Ghost is a Satanist band? the lyrics "HAIL SATAN, ARCHANGELO" aren't enough of a proof? Which is exactly why I love Ghost. No hiding, no bits and buts, straight up HAIL SATAN
I believe that the dichotomy of good and evil needs to be recognized.
I love how smart and great that young kid will be an amazing journalist when they grow up, and I love how great, amazing and sweet Tobias was to that adorable little child ❤ Tobias Forge no matter what always does amazing at interviews ❤ Edit I also love all of Ghost's costumes and masks, I always think that all of them is awesome. Ghost has never ever made a song that I didn't love, basically I'm saying all of Ghost songs are magical, and all of the music that I heard from Ghost was love at first listen ❤❤❤❤❤❤
Tonias the wise should seek. Despite our past the future is coming, we are individuals in a mass that matters
For some reason I always assumed he was putting on an accent when he was in character, he just sounds the same lol
I just really like the band and the amazing music they play. If I were him, I wouldn't even answer these questions.
off topic but he has such a sexy voice. i just canttt
If devils disguise themselves as angels do angels disguise themselves as devils?
I love ❤️ Tobias
Tobias you are talented
Man speaks the truth
caraca, os caras da banda sao mt sensatos e verdadeiro oradores. bizarro, mas criaram uma baita marca e musicas de qualidade
I am in love with TF!!!❤❤❤
I actually go with his opinions a lot.
My parents say that I can't hear Ghost because we are catholic
I would be surprised if my Mom knew what ghost is
@@octaviosander8898 I was afraid to tell my mom about me liking ghost but when I told her she was like Oh I know that band cool. And my dad even said that he liked their music too 😭so happy
If I had to guess Forge's favorite superhero it would be Ghost Rider.
Preach brother 🤘🏻
There are only two types of belief ..self belief and disbelief .the rest is hearsay ....be a knower. He sounds more like a Luciferian.
Big love to Tobias for such a great idea and the subject matter of Ghost ..be sure of your actions.
thanks for the film.
Much love ❤️ 😍 💖 ❣️ 💕 💘
14:27 The way you are right now, That too will change someday!
absolute chad
He gets it. I love Tobias.
He spoke my mind. Lemme hide. Privacy leak.
He is a major artist
No religion with integrity is all-free
All masked ones are also Tobias right?
Yes!
and now I remember you got to check out Harley Poe anyone that reads this corpse grinding man or any of the live stuff on punk with a camera or fist full of vinyl
He does have some good points..
"Papa where did you go?"
If y'all are able to believe in god and jesus, is he not allowed to believe in the devil? Or is he wrong just because his beliefs are different than yours?
You are correct, he has free will, endowed by our Creator. Some are just sad WHY he believes what does. But he was turned off to Christ because of acts of man that don't represent what God/Christ is about, not because of acts of God.
@@sillygirl3284 your bible says it all
Contradictory beliefs can not simultaneously be true.
So you’re telling me he doesn’t have the heavy accent his stage character has?!
His characters are Italian in the lore of ghost
Its weird when Swedish people have American accents. I met a Swedish woman who learned the American accent to learn the language. So she switched accents.
He doesn't have an American accent. I think people also expect a "Swedish accent" to sound like the singy-songy Swedish accent when they speak Swedish. That's just silly imperialism thinking. Tobias was likely exposed to English, or American English, at a young age & gravitated toward forming some of his words closer to the American way. But there is no American accent that sounds like this.
@@GeekFurious If anyone on Earth did not know him and heard him speak they would think he was American or Canadian. Nothing about his accent sounds European. Meet anyone from Norway, Finland, Denmark, Iceland and you'll hear a noticeably different accent. Swedish is no different and he does not have a Swedish accent here. I am part of a company with 3 Swedish CEOs and they all have very European accents, or "singy-songy" accents as you put it.
@@GeekFurious he does have an American accent lmao.
I’m not a native english speaker, but yeah, he sounds like an average american person
@@osamaqtaitat Exactly ✌️
The Devil is a metaphor of the evil that men commit…..the Devil is basically what ppl have identified as the root of evil. It’s actually a cool gimmick (you could say that Ghost are taking the point of view of the Devil) Their music is good.
He knows that we are the terrorists. I did not expect less of this than Ghost and Tobias.
Thanks Ghost 👻