5 Reasons Why People HATE Ghost
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Ghost are an extremely popular metal & rock band from Sweden, founded in 2006 but rising to international fame by the time of “Meliora” releasing in 2015! With fame comes the agony of troubled pasts, so why exactly do people who dislike this band actually hate them?? Remember, these are the general consensus opinions of the internet, although I weigh in with my own opinion on each point.
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5 Reasons Why People HATE Ghost (the Swedish rock band)
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If you have GHOST, you have everything? Perhaps not...let's see why the people that don't like Ghost REALLY don't like them.
@Lone Wolf “they’re not metal” is the stupidest argument I’ve heard from people hating on Ghost. Just because a band doesn’t fit your personal preferences, does that automatically make it bad?
@Lone Wolf Distorted guitars, unconventional instruments, classical scales. Everything doesn't have to be shredding and growling to be metal.
@Lone Wolf No, it doesn't have to be heavy. There's plenty of metal out there that isn't heavy. Check out Meadows of Heaven by Nightwish. Silent Lucidity by Queensryche. Just for a couple of examples. A lot of the hard rock/metal from the '70s and '80s were ballads. Sister Christian by Night Ranger for example.
@Lone Wolf Notice I did say "hard rock/metal" before mentioning Night Ranger. Their genre does not subtract from their greatness either and that time period had a lot of overlap between the two.
I like ghost they inspire me
People take them too seriously but they're all about the entertainment and the religious satire. It's arena rock wrapped up in a campy but fun Satanic theme.
Exactly
@@jasonlovesmusicreacting882 there's good and bad cheese lad. The bad cheese is where the band isn't self aware lol. I can assure you that Ghost is completely aware of their silliness. Silliness doesn't mean talentless. The musicians that make up Ghost are most certainly talented. It is possible to make talented music while also not taking ones image overly-seriously
@Lone Wolf "I'm a badass."
@Lone Wolf Man only listens to infant annihilator or his chest hair falls out.
@Ivory_ Lagiacrus_YT And yet there are millions of horror fans all over the world who find demonic movies fun...it's cathartic. And there is also a clear Fandom for things like Disney villains. People like to pretend to be evil. Nothing wrong with that as long as it's entertainment.
No matter how much people hate Ghost, I know I love me some Scooby-Doo metal music
I never thought to put Scooby foo with ghost... I adore this pairing so much
@@rhenliz1 i know, right? Lmao
Scooby-Doo... chase music?! 🤣
@@SirEpifire exactly!
*goth abba
Ghost doesn't deserve all that hate.
Meliora is a masterpiece.
Yes man I agree
@@jasonlovesmusicreacting882 I respect that
Tobias Forge is awesome. Don’t hate because you aren’t him, c’mon
I fuckin LOVE Infestissumam sorry if I spelled it wrong it was removed from my dictionary
Yes omg . But I propose a equal and possibly a slight step up. Ceremony and devotion. Specifically the first 3. The base is beautiful
If ABBA and Metallic had a baby it would be called Ghost. They write brilliant choruses. In fact, many of their songs are melodically catchy and brilliant all at once.
I LOVE that description xD
It' combines the otherworldly sound of ABBA songs like "I'm a marionette" (which Ghost covered btw) with the edge and lyrics of Metallica.
I'm totally using this when I describe Ghost to people.
I cried the first time I heard dance macabre gets you right in the feels and I listen to cattle decapitation which is a deathgrind band
You nailed it dude. I love Metallica but hate ABBA. That is why I cant get on board with Ghost.
I already hate the fans
@@Two_Buck Ha, my thoughts exactly! 🤘
I’m 50 and played in thrash bands in the 80’s and 90’s. I can honestly say Ghost are a breath of fresh air. For me they the best band to come along in the last 20 years.
I’m in my 40s and I completely agree with you.
Me too
I'd agree that they're exactly what the world of rock and hard rock/heavy metal needs right now. Look at how Ghost infiltrated the Grammys and Steve Colbert; people didn't know what to think. Other celebrities were too afraid to talk to them and I thought that was absolutely awesome. When Kiss was an extra dimensional squad of rock gods, people reacted the same way. The parents hate it and the kids love it, definitely a revival of that shock value that was missing for so long.
Right on brother, I agree 100%. I’ve been in death metal bands and punk/hardcore bands since I was 14 years old. I’m 35 and they’re one of my favorite bands now.
I am in my 60's and agree whole heartedly.
I’m a 67 year old metal and rock fan. I’ve only been listening to them this last week, and I absolutely love them. I don’t care about other peoples likes and dislikes. As long as I enjoy them, then that’s all that matters
I’m just a bit younger than you, and I’ve loved Ghost for years, ever since they released Infestissumam. I think as older metal/rock fans, we’ve heard so much music and gained enough insight to resist simply following the masses or taking music critic opinions seriously. I don’t care which label anyone uses to classify a band; if I like what I hear and it speaks to my soul, I’ll support that band.
@@pinkmonkeybird2644 Totally agree 🤘
66 years here, remember when zeppelin was new, saw a guy named Alice Cooper on his first us tour, then david bowie and everything else since then while playing in local cover bands and I find them completely entertaining. Love the music and the theater!
Yes. "Call me little Sunshine" is an awesome song.
LoL, I'm a youngster, only 58. I've always loved bands that put on a production. Alice Cooper, Iron Maiden, Kiss, just to name a few. It's laughable when people take this genre so seriously that they just can't enjoy the spectacle.
I didn't choose to like Ghost. I did not start listening to them because I was interested. I simply heard a song and realized I could not quit singing it or get it out of my head! Then I realized every Ghost song I heard did that to me... Right now it's Little Sunshine. I hear it in my sleep even. This is all I can say about Ghost. If it catches you, it doesn't let go.
Ghost is probably the best band to debut in the 2010s. I put them in the category of "modern interpretation of classic heavy metal"
Ghost are a good band
@Lone Wolf so you'd rather listen to Cardi B on loop for eternity than listen to one Ghost album? Just because you don't like Ghost, it doesn't mean the they're talentless. Be grateful. They may not be metal, but they're the closest thing we got to music with substance in an era where everything is empty and overproduced. You can dislike them all you want, but just a thought...
@@camilacastro2773 Actually, Ghost's substance makes them just as metal as any metal band since the genre's inception. Like I keep saying, No depth, No Metal. Those who disagree with you and I and all of Ghost's other fan's should see what it's like to have to listen to Ratt and Poison's entire discography with only one Ghost album placed in the mix for just one week. You can bet your ass that they will keep coming back to the Ghost tracks all seven days long!
Very well stated. I'm a life long hard rock/ metal head since the early 70's and Ghost just makes me feel young again.
@Joker Wolf who do you like?
the thing with the lawsuit, it was all members that didn't actually contribute to the creative process claiming they deserved more, to the point they tried blackmailing him by threatening to not play during the tour, the only ghoul to not sue, who was also a co-writer said himself to regard the ghouls as hired guns rather than members. Looking at the current ghoul's careers, i don't think they would take shit lying down if tobias was as toxic as the ex ghouls claimed.
yeah, I was in a band a bunch of years ago, where I wrote all the songs. One day the bass player demanded I give him writing credit, cause he wrote the bass lines.
I told him that I was giving him some creative input, but If wanted, I could write out exactly what I wanted him to play. I explained to him, that I gave him the map to the destination, and he was welcome to use any route that would get him there. I kicked him out a week later, cause i couldn't stand to see his brooding face at practice.....
@Dale Macarena because he couldn’t stand his face. I don’t believe him, anyway.
How many songs does Tobias have credit for? Not many. Why? Because he doesn’t write the songs. You don’t believe me? Read the credits to Ghosts albums. He doesn’t write them, the people who do write them are credited so that whole point and story is moot.
I’m not saying anything about anyone’s character but read the credits to the songs. Why isn’t Tobias credited and the old and new band members along with outsiders write the songs and they are credited. Not Tobias.
So what are you talking about. You should check it out before you try to crucify me about it. I always thought it was weird he gets the money but others write the material. Seems like more of an acting gig than than being in an actual band.
@@americanagothic7851 it was always tobias? he was just under a nameless ghoul prior to the lawsuit. since the lawsuit places like wikipedia and edited the credits to show real names. What a stupid thing to say.
@@americanagothic7851 Let's see... according to Wikipedia, Meliora (as an example), every song is credited to Tobias Forge at least in part (most have a second and/or third collaborator, such as Martin Persner). So I'm not sure what you mean by "he doesn't write the songs... read the credits". Because reading the credits proves the opposite. :P
I do not know how people or someone could hate a band with so much talent they do a phenomenal job on reviving classic hard rock...and it's a beautiful thing
I completely agree.
People bitch about Ghost because they assumed they were blacknmetal, then heard them and were disappointed.
My point is that this is a band that deserves recognition and anyonenwho denies them the respect they deserve should take a look in the mirror because pretty much all black metal elitists are fuckin posers anyways.
My friend bitched about the same fucking thing.@@Jagger-Tyr_13
eh i dont like the whole reviving rock shtick. If you actually follow the scene it never really went away to begin with
When James Hetfield learns your riffs and invites you on stage to open personally for Metallica...fk everybody else lol
Anyone serious about music... Especially thrash metal... Nobody has gave a shit about Metallica for 25 years!
Id be more happy and honored to open for Iron Maiden for their tours then shitallica
I think Phil Anselmo likes Ghost too. No shame in it, they grew on me over the last few years after learning they even existed. I think perhaps they are a little bit underrated. I think Dance Macabre is a cool song, for the specific reason it’s a bit of a pop song and I don’t care for pop music. It could be played in strip clubs, I think it’s perfect for that like many other pop songs. And maybe open people’s minds to heavier bands too.
@@DrScott666 I love heavy music, especially metal and thrash etc, even hip hop if it sounds hard. I never really cared for Metallica. But I won’t crap on them, they are probably the most successful of all. Ask me why? I have no clue, like I said I never got into Metallica.
@@whaaa..7837 Ghost actually have opened for Iron Maiden as well before.
Ghost are "all killer, no filler." Every album is fucking amazing.
I am a huge fan and appeciate everything they/he does but, in all honestly, 'Prequell' is weak. The songs themself are far from bad but as a whole the album is super-boring as its second half consists only of balads and/or instrumental songs. Tobias himself admitted that in an interview.
@@lupo1185 Yeah, prequelle is the only album im not super on board with.
All* killer
@@atvena shit thanks
That's a Sum 41 album though
ghost has sooooo much talent. the layers in the songs, the back up vocals, the keyboards, its all fantastic!!! if my 70 year old grandma can understand and like them then so can you
I don’t want to tho lmfao
Ghost is perfect, in every way.
What blows my mind is the thought that someone can be pissed off that a band explores and shows it’s versatility-and does it well. I love so many styles and genres, which is one of the many reasons why they easily became my favorite band. 🖤🤘🏻
Folk hate Ghost because they are successful and sound fairly different from the traditional 'open minded' metal heads trap themselves in.
The only "metalheads" I meet that dont like them only listen to death metal and if it isnt death metal they dont think its metal, cause they dont understand theres tons of subgenres of metal and it's very frustrating
No
That attitude is exactly why I lost interest with the metal scene (well that and every fucking band now sounds completely indistinguishable from each other). Who really wants to hang around a sausage fest of guys with beards bitching about how every other kind of music sucks?
^ Exhibit A, ladies and gentlemen
@@zackakai5173 theres a lot of gatekeeping and toxicity in the metal community
I genuinely enjoy killing the chat by expressing my love for Ghost.
I love these artists.
You're taking the piss with this, Miss.
Absolutely love Ghost, Very cool of you to do a video on this!
Having been exposed to more of the metal community than I'd prefer, being a metal fan after all, I'm ALL too familiar with Ghost hate.
Here's my opinion;
Nearly all of the Ghost hate I encounter comes from overly-serious metalheads who don't like the fact that Ghost isn't "metal". When you spend time around metalheads (which are in my opinion the WORST type of music fan, they're mostly awful human beings), you come to realize that many of them have this blind hatred of anything that isn't rock or metal. Country, rap, hip hop, and especially pop. Just simply for not being metal. They think that metal is this special music that only "enlightened" people listen to or whatever. And many metal bands have satanic imagery, kinda like how Ghost does at face value. The face paint, the upside down crosses etc etc. To any metalhead whose familiar with black metal, looking at them without knowing anything about their sound would lead one to beleive they're a black metal band and not a hard rock group with pop influences. It just pisses them off because to the average smoothbrain metalhead, heavier music = better music. Anything with the dreaded p-p-p-pop sound MUST be enjoyed by only "posers". Then they'll shit on Ghost for being a gimmick band which is astronomically hypocritical since the Satanic/occult/religion gimmick has been regurgitated, hammered into the dust, and done to absolute DEATH by boring, trite metal bands for DECADES. In my humble opinion, Ghost is actually one of the first bands in YEARS to bring ANY sense of originality, creativity, personality, uniqueness or FUN to the satanic/occult theme with their music.
TL;DR : most Ghost hate comes from insecure edgelords who think heavier music = better. Take it with a grain of salt ;)
Metal heads are the worst fans? Are you sure? I typically come across very friendly and kind metalheads. But each to there own.
As a metalhead going back to the 80's, and being into the most extreme subgenres since, I agree with much of what you say. What I may disagree with, I understand where you're coming from; I've met my share of closed-minded metal assholes (have you checked out Posehn's "More Metal Than You"? A lot of us can relate). But being the loudest and most obnoxious does not equate a majority.
That said, nearly everyone I've met who claim to hate Ghost saw them before hearing the music, and that includes people who don't even like black metal to begin with.
Too bad for them, Ghost are an amazing group who take so much care with ALL aspects of their art.
Welp I agree with your thoughts to be honest. They think metal is all about growling and heavier riffs
Perfectly said except, you're talking about the douchebag metalhead fans and yeah, those ones are lame. I think NuMetal and, as Forge calls them: 'Sentence for a name's metalcore bands are the wackest type of metalhead. Oh, and Gene Simmons fans. Lol
Or we just don’t like the music Ghost puts out? Taking this too serious man
I am Swedish, and Ghost is the only Swedish band that I enjoy and even straight up love. Most of those criticisms that you bring up in the video are worthless when you take a look at the bigger picture that is this band. I don't care if Tobias is the only member - the music is still awesome in so many unique ways! Trent Reznor has been the mastermind behind Nine Inch Nails for decades, and his music doesn't suffer from that either. Sometimes, it takes one person, or a few people, to create something amazing, like Faith, He Is, or Zombie Queen.
Anyway, I agree with what you're saying, Jon. And honestly, I think most of the Ghost haters don't even know why they're hating Ghost in the first place. Or maybe that's just me...
@@jasonlovesmusicreacting882 I haven't listened to enough of their music to form an opinion on them. Not yet anyway. So I'm agnostic on In Flames.
@Von Norre Films I think you should check out Opeth if you haven’t yet. They’re absolutely incredible.
And I agree about the frontman being the only or main songwriter point. I know many bands where that happens and the music is still great and the band members all still enjoy being in the band and such. Breaking Benjamin,Opeth,and Leprous just to name a few. But what I think Jon was getting at about Ghost was mainly the lawsuit and unfair treatment and not the sole songwriter thing.
@@jasonlovesmusicreacting882 Swedish bands - both rock and metal and otherwise - are normally hit or miss for me. There is one rock band from Sweden called The Nomads, and they are so generic and unoriginal that I can't stand them (bad lyrics and a half-assed vocalist). But there is an industrial metal band from Norrland (the north of Sweden) called Raubtier, and they are fucking awesome because their music sounds a bit different. Same thing with Ghost.
Soilwork, In flames, opeth, and Meshuggah are some other legends from your homeland haha. Also, I don’t love em love em, but At the Gates and The haunted have some very good albums, and some very meh ones. But the good ones are very good.
Worthless opinions? No, not at all, there is some very valid criticism. Especially with their sound not really being totally original
Wasn’t expecting this episode to be honest, I hear almost nothing but positive things about their music and should really check them out, only people that I could see actually hating them are metal purists and people that find the satanic imagery off putting or overly gimmicky
I see hate for Ghost all the time. It's mostly because they look like a Black Metal band and sound like a Scooby Doo cover band.
They're super entertaining and fun as a hard rock/arena rock band. Think of them as this generation's Black Sabbath, Kiss, Gwar or BÖC. They have this loose occult concept of being a Satanic church who draws in members with their catchy rock music. All for show of course. Each album features a new Papa Emeritus iteration as the lead singer, each with different characteristics with everything from dark and mysterious to young and flamboyant. And the music is simple rock/hard rock but it's highly energetic and catchy, so definitely worth a listen. Their live shows (or rituals as they call them) are incredibly amusing and high energy.
Imagine in 20 years when emeritus 10 releases the djent album
Waiting for Pastor Emeritus to drop the country album 🤣💀
@@siphonicatom1982 😂😂😂😂
Unrelated to this video, but R.I.P. Eddie Van Halen 😢🎸
Who says Danse Ma-cob-ray? Wrong people, that's who.
Thank you!!!!
Ma cob ray just burned a hole in my black soul.
I'm a huge Ghost fan. I wasn't always. When I first heard their music I wasn't super on board. I can't even pinpoint why I didn't like them. I was invited to a concert by someone that liked me but the feeling wasn't mutual so I turned it down. I regret that SO hard because my love for Ghost now is so widely known in my friend group I even recently got a Ghost tattoo. It's music but there's something more to it. There's a story there. And I absolutely love that.
Same...
Opus Eponymous is one of the best modern metal albums ever made
Idk about metal but definitely one of the best hard rock albums made of the 2010s. 🙂🤘
It’s very sabbath and love it
Meliora too 💯💯💯
@@TECfan1 nah homeboy, its metal, tobias forge won metal artist of the decade
@@siphonicatom1982 LOL, yeah by Loudewire. A publisher who also said Square Hammer was one of the best metal songs of the year...even though it's structured like an arena pop rock song. I love the band but they definitely aren't really metal, at least full on. They have bits of metal mixed with hard rock, arena rock, pop rock, etc...
I love Ghost... from the first moment I was fortunate enough to randomly see them, back in the day. And it's rare for me to get this on board with a modern group. Even if I love something modern, it usually doesn't stick with me this much.
The first time I saw them was at Rock on the Range, like 2013 or something, looking down from one of the railings to the side stage. Out walks this guy in a pope's outfit. It went from "who the hell are these people" to "huh, this is kinda interesting." Then I got the CD, Infinitessimum, and that was it. It's really been something to watch them rise. It's so rare for a rock or metal act to break out in such a big way... and it feels like they aren't getting anywhere near as much playtime as the usual radio acts, Three Days Grace, Godsmack, whatever.
As for substance, I think they've got a ton. It's remarkable how much they've done in such a short time.
I love Ghost. My experience hearing this band before actually seeing them is the way to go. When you finally see them it's epic. The music is absolutely awesome. I don't understand any metal head hating Ghost. Love Ghost.
Do you, by any chance, happen to love a Ghost?
I just discovered this band. Putting all the theatrics and stage presence aside, the composition, writing, and arrangement of this band’s music is absolutely genius.
Love Ghost! They were the last band I saw live before the pandemic 😭
Same here 🤘 Glad I got to see them when I had the chance
same, but as special guests for metallica. I love this band so much i cant
Ghost is my all time favorite band, number one on my list. I love the thought they put into their songs, I like to read deeper into lyrical meanings and I feel this band has done their research and done it well. I don't really find any of the points listed in this video very compelling arguments against them in general, the points feel somewhat just surface level. I understand they seem to be the most popular negative opinions floating around the web about the band, but I find all of those very easy to look past or refute.
Thank you for doing this video, I enjoyed hearing the points listed and the discussion about it in general.
Ghost are badass! Absolutely love them
NAA
6- They didn't release Hunter's Moon on hunter's moon
I don't hate Ghost at all. Opus is a masterpiece; I played it over and over more times than I could possibly count back when it came out. And while the later era has some songs that I don't much care for, I can never deny the absolute mastery with which they write, arrange, and produce everything they do.
What I have come to genuinely hate, however, is the Ghost fandom.
Hate the fandom, not the band
Forgive my ignorance, what's up with the fandom? I don't follow fan groups really for anything so I'm out of the loop.
@@rhenliz1 I'm wondering what the deal is too. I'm a Ghost fan, and people I've met at shows have all been decent people. I don't get it.
@@neuralmute agreed. Ghost fans seem to be pretty damn tolerant to me.
@@jebadiahfyefye8994 Yeah, like I'm a gently aging, pretty butch lesbian, and Ghost fans have been the coolest toward both gays and women, and especially gay women that I've run into in decades of being a rock/metal fan. And not in the icky, "Hot, lesbians! Can we watch?" way that a lot of straight guys act, because believe me, no straight guy would find me and my gf attractive! But Ghost fans just seem happy to meet more Ghost fans, and leave the rest of the bullshit at the door. And that's awesome.
I wasn't into them until I saw them live. They are heavy af live and it made me a fan of them, live and studio.
I've been a fan of Ghost for a while (this was before BC was out taken out)
I've personally met the band and boy - oh - boy, are they respectful, nice and hilarious to be around. The vibe they give off is so heart warming and pleasant.
I really wish they made a book talking/explaining, lore, story, history, and how they came to be a public band coming from an underground like instance.
Cant wait for the next album
I was lucky enough to come across their stuff purely by chance. I found a CD of their debut and bought it based on the artwork, then listened to it and liked what I heard, simple as that. It felt like bit of heavy metal, pop-rock, and glam rock had come together into something great, and that's all I needed to know.
All I need to know to dislike them even more 🤣
@@bigshagg3815 And good on you for thinking for yourself. Just because I and many others like them doesn't mean you should have to. Rock on.
@@camerondodge2070 Hey sorry I was actually responding to another post... Not sure how I got here must have had a little too much to drink last night lol..😆
@@bigshagg3815 S'alright.
Great timing Jon. My bf introduced me to Ghost about a month ago and I love them. I was watching one of your other videos the other day and was curious if you had thoughts on Ghost. I agree that I can see why some of their criticism is valid.
A friend that I play online games with turned me onto Ghost. He told me to listen to "He Is." Admittedly, I wasn't really into that song...just wasn't the style of music I was into. A week or so later, I dive down the rabbit hole just to see why my friend really dug this band. That's when I found "Cirice." I immediately text him to say that song would have been a better "gateway" to the band for me since I'm into heavier styles of music. After going through their catalog of music, I think they have a little something for everyone...which fits into the lore of trying to convert the world to their "church." Awesome band in my opinion.
I absolutely love Ghost (see avatar). Saw them 3x on the Prequelle cycle (Rats on the Road, Pale Tour Named Death, Ultimate Tour Named Death) and seeing them live is an amazing experience.
You failed to mention Cardi C's promotion to Papa Emeritus IV 👍
I just saw Ghost for the first time on Feb 4, 2022 in Lincoln, NB. Never even knew who they were. They blew me away! The drummer doesn’t get enough credit lol. Wow! Anyway the lead singer would go behind the stage and THATs when the Ghouls were out there by themselves. Now to me that was his way of saying alright guys do your thing and give them their time to shine. He was joking with them and interacting with them the entire time. I’m a fan of them.
i never heard of ghost until square hammer came across my radio a few years ago. they said it was a new song but it sounded so 80s early 90s that i immediately was drawn to it. (yeah big nu metal and classic rock guy here, big deal) several of their songs have made it into my everyday playlist and theyre a very talented band, which goes for everyone who took part in its growing success. i would love to see them live along with rammstein. hopefully i can get another tour date close by like last year was supposed to have.
From my experience listening to them recently (just found out about them), they sound like 80s glam or a band you would hear in a poplar 80s mixtape. Definitely not a bad thing at all, and gives a new generation an experience of what metal used to sound like. The metal genre is an umbrella term, and every decade has many variances of metal. Some metal sounds like Bon Jovi, and some metal sounds like Meshuggah.
I saw them live in October 2019 and it was quite possibly the best live show I've ever seen, and I've seen Rush, RHCP twice and Metallica twice (once even from the snake pit)
I don't like the fact that people just take their theme a little too seriously, I think Ghost are really misunderstood and I hate that people say they worship satan or something like that, yeah they have a satanic look, dark satanic lyrics but that dosen't necessarily make them terrible people because I don't think they are devil worshippers, Ghost has like a story and Cardinal Copia, Papa, Nameless Ghouls are like characters. I don't like that people just think like that towards them, I would also consider them a very underrated band.
Usually when people put out a certain look or satanic lyrics obviously people are going to think and say they’re satanic
@@kellikocha7733 if it quacks like a duck and looks like a duck
Yuh. Getting haters is a thing. Hate them or love them, Im here living for their music. They cure my depression and I feel comfort from their music.
For me, their music just doesn't grab me. I've heard them many times and their music just seems a bit flat. They're obviously talented but nothing really stands out when I listen
Yeah that’s how I feel about them too. Also, the whole “fuck the Catholic Church and religion” thing has been played out for a couple decades now.
Agreed , and I find them a bit cringy as well with the whole satan / church vibe . It's just been overdone to death and I just think it takes away from the music as well . That being said , I could probably put 100 other bands in here as well for that factor alone .
@@JoshuaSmith-fc8kg exactly.
I sorta agree. They have such a good fanbase and they are very funny, but I just don’t like most of their music. The hate they get is very unneeded.
Honestly I’m a Lutheran myself and I LOVE Ghost. You can tell they’re not truly satanic and even if they are that’s their choice and it doesn’t make their music bad.
I am catholic, and same
@@jjj8317 ayyyy catholic gang!
satanic = evil... how could this be a good thing?
It’s pronounced “pre-kwelle” and “dance Macobb”
I got to know Ghost through my current boyfriend. It took me a while to start liking them. Their aesthetic stuck with me first, their music quickly followed, especially from Meliora onwards. Nowadays I wouldn't miss a concert of theirs for the world, as long as they aren't too far too be able to reach. Their newest CD, Impera, took me a while, but eventually grew on me and now I really like their most recent songs. I'd very much like to meet Tobias and the ghouls one day!
Man, ive actually seen them as a pre band to metallica in vienna, and i had no clue who they were and therefor didnt appreciate it. Now, that ive been to their concert, i fell in love with them.
I had no idea Tobias was all the papas when I heard there were different “people” leading I assumed they were each different individuals. That confused me cause I thought the voice sounded the same throughout the years
Ghost is just so confusing lore wise 😭
Yes I thought that the papas were different people and they were murdered to be changed
It's indeed confusing.
I've seen Ghost twice in concert and they are absolutely fantastic. Great music, extremely entertaining, and no dull moments. I'd classify them as Broadway metal. But, they are ever-changing depending on Tobias' mood.
Except for the 3rd reason - all reasons are what I LOVE them for. For example - the fact that I can listen to the voice I like in many styles is amazing. Like comparing the songs "mary on a cross" with "year zero" or "rats"
I love old school thrash like Slayer, Voivod and Anthrax. More modern bands like Slipknot and Lamb of God don't do anything for me. Ghost are a breath of fresh air -complex, melodic and intriguing music that really is quite unique. Thank you, Ghost, for bringing creativity back to the world of metal.
I recently found out about Ghost and I think they are absolutely amazing , so far I have not heard to songs that identical.
I can see how someone may not like them, but in my opinion … you don’t have to listen
I remember the first time I listened to Ghost at Christmas time and now everytime I listen to ghost I think of chirstmas
Many of their songs remind me of Blue Oyster Cult, circa mid/late 80s.
Yeah proto metal
@@atvena 70s Cult is proto metal.wirh a little punk thrown in.
I'd heard about Ghost about 5 years ago...was introduced to them through through their fabulous song, Year Zero.
I didn't follow up because the other things I heard from them just didn't reach me then, and, in all honesty, I then also assumed the "Satanist and pageantry = metal" myth.
After a recent news article with a video of the change-over from the Cardinal to Papa Ameritus IV, I rediscovered them and some of the newer songs as well. I have come to like them soooo much more, even coming to like some of their older songs.
Square Hammer, Year Zero, Cirice, Majesty, Rats, Ritual, Dance Macabre, He Is, See the Light, Zenith (unreleased), Witch Image, Ritual, Majesty, Ghuleh/Zombie Queen, Deus In Absentia....that's just to name a few!!!
You know, I really can understand some peoples’ misgivings about Ghost. I really didn’t listen to them until earlier this year, driven largely by their videos coming into my feed. From a perspective that hasn’t been through the “betrayals” or breaking anonymity, I can say that their image is strong and would undoubtedly throw some people off. Maybe most would be the people that take music super serious or those who think maybe the Black Metal guys really are up there in Norway doing rites and living in forests. I always found it funny that these dudes were so serious and breaking rules and barriers and making their clothes from slain enemies but they’re playing Kramer guitars.
But I don’t think any group can exist on image alone. They may share DNA with other genres or times, but the songwriting is solid and there’s a vein through it all that is their sound. All music cribs others - EVH, May he Rest In Peace, was tapping out Bach and Vivaldi. But is there something unique about Van Halen? Certainly. Would you mistake Ghost for ABBA? No.
All that being said, I think Ghost has earned much of their criticism and Forge seems like he’s sometimes a bit too enamored of himself and his one-man show that’s actually six others too. They meld odd genres, but then again who only wants more carbon copies of Slayer or Mayhem? Their success, perhaps more than anything, speaks to there being something more than image.
I look at Ghost a bit like one of my all-time favorites, the Darkness. Maybe their image overshadowed them at first, but to this day those boys are making some amazing, heavily influenced rock and roll and it’s glorious.
Gonna be honest , couldn't get into them the 1st time around , but literally just this last week , late night I decided to watch one of their live shows... I've been a fan ever since , they won me over and I'm really getting into them ( several of my friends love them ) so they've been giving me shit about it lol
You nailed it for me. The reason I love ghost so much, and I dare say they are one of my favorite bands of all time is because they are not afraid to change their style or sound to fit the theme of the album and show their influences. To me Ghost has done something that really has not been seen since arguably Marylyn Manson, but me personally would say Alice Cooper with bringing back to the mainstream the lost art of being a true showman front man along with the modern stuff of music videos and no other way of putting it, comedic shorts/promos to promote new albums and tours. To me that’s also a throw back to the old underground punk and metal days with again a modern twist. Anyone who was around before the days of the internet remembers those comedic fliers, zines, and so one that helped make that scene great.
There is so much amazing music out there and I feel that Ghost has literally opened the door for the younger generation to go out searching for it. Because of Ghost, I discovered Blue Oyster Cult. Yeah I heard all their big hits on the radio but never actually listened to an album, then regretted not listening to them sooner!!!
To me one of the biggest things I feel that all the Ghost critics have in common is their elitism and fear of change much like what the skate punk fans and some bands for that matter. NOFX really comes to mind on that topic. Hate to say it because I love their music but they did help shoot themselves in the foot sending that genre into rehab or assisted living. Anyways...it’s that us vs them mentality as well the need to fit into tightly crafted niches and labels is what got us to no longer just appreciate and just let the music itself do the talking. An argument could be made that in the music scene as a whole that it’s a pure reflection on what’s going on in the world right now with racism and inequality. Even in their own social groups you’re hearing “they are not metal enough” or “they are too poppy” etc...literally no different!!!
Any band out there that’s willing to show their influences on their sleeve and show it’s ok to listen to and like as well as being inspired by all genres should be praised. Falling In Reverse really comes to mind with that as well as Ghost with getting people to listen to that amazing music that they normally would not have.
Beautiful music. No doubt. But let's not kid ourselves... his "satanism" is not for "entertaining"... it is for publishing, marketing, proclaiming like, in real life (again, not as a show) his belief that going to hell is ok and having Satan in your life and actions, is the way to be. It is a belief. And he is valid in that.
Ghost is a hard rock band at most that gives off nostalgia vibes to old dudes that grew up listening to old school metal and creates catchy songs for disgruntled teenagers and college students who have had such a hard life! lol, but really, I've heard a couple of their songs and my honest opinion is they aren't that bad but not really my cup of tea. Maybe they'll grow on me when I've heard more. Not sure what video it was I saw earlier, but a user replied and was explaining the lore behind the Ghost band and now I get what Ghost is trying to do. They're for entertainment purposes and I think they are doing a good job. I applaud them.
Miasma is a masterpiece.
i goddamn agree
Yes!
Love the band. Love the music. That said, I've never liked the "nameless" ghoul thing. Masks and mystery are great and all but they are people and I want to know who they are. If someone is good enough to have in the band, they deserve to be acknowledged as the artists that they are, if only in small print somewhere in the album info.
The nameless ghouls just play on stage that’s it, and that was the point. Also at least the current ghouls seem cool with remaining anonymous from what I’ve seen. Tobias is the one who writes all the lyrics, music, and plays almost every instrument when recording the albums, and he of course sings. He actually wanted to remain nameless as well, until people started snooping and guessed he was in ghost. Then all the names came out.
they arent even involved with the album though? at least after the lawsuit i suppose. the ghouls are just hired musicians for live shows now.
iirc they don't take part in recording albums. the nameless ghouls are just for tours. its why in the albums you rarely hear backing vocals that you'd hear when they perform live (Tobias will do the backing vocals himself in the album recordings). tobias records most of the albums himself, with a bit of help here and there but nothing major. the ghouls are basically "workers" that he can simply replace, so it's probably why they're nameless.
I went up to Tobias and told him his band sucks. He summoned Satan and he bit me and then took my wallet. I'll never do that again.
I saw them on their Pale Tour Named Death tour as well as their Imperatour w/ Volbeat. They absolutely rock! Such theatrics and energy!
This is my best friend's favorite band and she loves them for their theatrics and satirical perfomances. They aren't illuminati demons...they are creative dudes who make sick music.
They're KISS, but more metal. KISS was pop disguised as metal, they looked meta. These guys give me ozzy and Alice cooper (mosty cooper) vibes
I just can't wait for the masks to come off and they start doing Disco metal
Their a cross between Marilyn Manson & Rob Zombie with the Satan & Horror Combo stuff with a big dose of 1970s style of Rock ! Alice Cooper And KISS were the first to do this Theatrical shows ! With all the pyro and such u could also stuff some Motley Crue and WASP into the mix ! All FACTS People 🤟🤟🤟
@@tamathawalden2037 it's called shock rock
Saw them twice and loved them both times. First time they were opening for iron maiden in a huge outdoor amphitheater venue and I remember there was a bit of a generational divide in the crowd where Iron maiden fans (older people 50+) were trashing ghost and in-turn ghost fans (teens and young adults) were trashing iron maiden, which was odd and my bf and I at the time felt confused as we love both, but still a fantastic show nonetheless. Then when Ghost came back on their own two years later to a different/more intimate venue I got tickets right at the front and it was incredible! I still to this day have a guitar pick that one of the nameless ghouls tossed to me as well as a faux dollar bill with Cardinal Copia's face on it from the confetti rained down on the audience.
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I have the weirdest taste of music I go from Marilyn Manson to Janis Joplin in the blink of an eye. One day I listen to nothing but heavy metal, the next 60-80s music. Ghost has a perfect blend of style in my opinion
I love their music, i love the mystery behind their style. Huge fan and not disappointed with what they do. As I've always said, if you don't like a certain type of music, don't listen to it. If you don't like how someone dresses, well, then, ignore them! Very simple concept
I only recently learned about Ghost. Maybe 3 years ago. Never cared for them, but over time they have grown on me. I think they are pretty cool now. And as far as I know Tobias Forge writes most of the music, that’s cool in itself.
I like Dance Macabre, sounds like a song for a strip club, which if you watch the video, kind of fits with the beautiful women dancing in one piece bikinis.
I just discovered them and can't stop listening to them!
i love ghost, i dont just see them as a metal outfit i also see them as an acoustic outfit, but overall i see them as a band big on rifts. & this pleases me.
I took a family member to see them a few months back. Had not heard any of their stuff before, expected nothing, but found they put on a surprisingly good show. I have about 4 of their songs sitting in my playlist now.
I near died laughing when I saw they were selling "Hex the Patriarchy" shirts at the venue though. I would have bought one had they been in mens sizes just for the banter.
I didn’t look at the channel name on the notification so I was like “they hate ghosts bc they’re spooky that’s why”
I'm a true "Metalhead" but i fuckin' love Ghost!
I love Ghost! While there are some songs that I just don't like the sound of (as with many artists), for the most part, I love them! They sound a lot like an 80's hair band and THAT was my music growing up.
based on my personal experience with people who don't like ghost, it's mainly hardcore metal fans who view them as a "metal band for people that don't like metal". most metalheads that i know have disdain for bands that use keyboards. they like very heavy guitar. i think a lot of people also feel that ghost relies too heavy on their imagery to try and sell themselves, and without their visual aesthetics, nobody would know who they are. honestly? i love ghost. and i don't listen to very much metal at all. i mainly listen to industrial, synthpop, and darkwave music. the metal i like is bands that metalheads typically have disdain for because they're "not heavy enough" or use keyboards.
I like Ghost, but I don’t love them. They have some songs I like, and some I don’t care for. But they aren’t a band I outright hate or go nuts for. For instance, I absolutely love Square Hammer and Dance Macabre. But Rats never really clicked with me and I didn’t see the hype behind Cirice either. They aren’t bad songs at all, but nothing I make the effort to revisit
Ghost is the definition of metal. It’s all about the attitude and controversy. Best band around today.
I enjoy many flavours of music, whether it be classical, heavy metal, synthwave and more. For me, Ghost are one of the best bands to come along and they felt like a breath of fresh air. For me it one of those experiences where you first listen to a band and something just immediately clicks and then you spend the following weeks listening to nothing but them.
I ABSOLUTELY LOVE GHOST!!!!! Ghost is creative, different, and I totally enjoy the fact that each song is so different from every song they do. I love having a memory of different times of my life, be sparked from hearing a song that's more 90s, or 80s etc. Ghost is entertaining and quite frankly, their songs are very well written and Tobias Forge absolutely knows what he's doing. He himself is a visionary and wants his vision to come to life the way he envisions it. If that means needing a different guitarist to play a new album because that guitarist plays it the way Tobias is envisioning it, then so be it. It seems to me that all that participate in these creative endeavors, are all having a blast. I can't wait to see what he comes up with next!!
I love Ghost, but maan I think I agree with reason 3. Tobias should've treated his band better, he had a great thing going. Prequelle is good and all, but not at all like the past 3. He let true talent slip away. Not that I don't still enjoy Ghost, but, I miss the old members. Alpha and Omega Ghoul were inspirations for me as a guitarist.
Great points and counter-points! They may not be everyone's cup of tea, but I think they definitely live up to the hype and continue to provide fans with quality music.
My favorite metal bands: Opeth, Ghost, Cannibal Corpse, Taake, Darkthrone, Enslaved, Sleepytime Gorilla Museum.
John thanks for this entertaining and thoughtful video. I agree with your comments and am a fellow fan. Ghost are touring the US now and some of their Las Vegas concerts are on UA-cam. I liked them best during the Papa Emeritus III and IV eras, but still love them now.
Ghost is amazing!!! When I first heard them I was hooked. Probably religious people hate them because....Satan loves Ghost and they aren't open minded. These songs are masterpieces. They got me inspired to pick up my guitar and play again. 😈😈😈🖤🖤🖤
I'm a religious person but Ghost is my absolute favorite band.
I’m a Catholic music minister, a guitarist and in my late sixties. I’ve played in rock and roll bands all my life (still do) and my 40 year old metal head son introduced me to Ghost 4 years ago. I’ve seen them 3 times. OUTSTANDING BAND! Musicality, harmonies, definitely classically trained and their stage presence is “campy.” Best live act I’ve seen and I’ve seen them all! Rock, country, classical, not too much pop, but my tastes are eclectic. Tobias Forge is a musical and lyrical genius.
I personally ADORE Ghost. Also I don't give a fuck if people don't like them because the vast majority of their haters are butthurt elitists who only listen to black metal and the first 2 Iron Maiden records.
The thing a lot of people hate about Ghost is that you see their gimmick, you expect a black or blackened death metal band, and then when they actually start to play, you get cheesy pop-rock.
I absolutely love Ghost. My fiancee never heard of them until recently. I took her to a Ghost show. Now she loves them too and wants to see them again
I just don't like the fact that they project that Satanic side of metal, which is an image i din't really like
I think the reason my interest in Ghost has waned over the years is that they've become a bit more covert with the spooky satanism in their content. I miss them being a cheesy satanist band. It's been toned down so much now for radio that it barely shows through from their music. I think this has a lot to do with commercialism and I really can't blame them as if I were in their position I'd do the same. There's honestly nothing wrong with making money from your art, it's just kinda not my cup of tea anymore. The fans who love them should love them, and I have nothing against them or their music. Tobias is extremely talented and I still wouldn't say no to seeing them if given the chance.
Not enough Satanism in the band for you anymore? That's a new one. But okay.
Tobias actually won in court and they had to pay his attorney's fees, which is usually only awarded when the evidence is very compelling that the plaintiff had no reasonable basis to stake their claim. So essentially all of the evidence agreed with Tobias despite the former ghouls feelings.
❤ just saw them in concert in Nashville TN Sunday and they were amazing
Nickelback, fair enough. But with Ghost, I will NEVER understand the sheer amount of hate. The songwriting is incredible, and that's objective Idc, if you don't like the music you're just a metal elitist
I reluctantly checked out this new album despite not liking the genre at all. They have really great production value and mixing. The vocalist however totally blows It. Its like Weird Al Yankovic does "metal"
Yeah that's what I was thinking too. Glad someone else brought that up
I like the artistic talent Ghost puts into their music and videos. Square Hammer and Cersce in particular were very creative!
I was in their top two percent of listeners on Spotify and I found them a few months before the actually Spotify flashback thing, so uh yah I REALLY like Ghost