NIK NOCTURNAL: Reddit haters, Sleep Token, the future of metal & more (Punk Rock MBA Podcast)

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  • Опубліковано 26 тра 2024
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    Nik Nocturnal joins to talk about Sleep Token, Reddit haters, his role in popularizing bands like Lorna Shore and Electric Callboy, the deathcore scene, reaction channels and more. Nik Nocturnal interview.
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    00:00:00 - Being metal's biggest influencer
    00:02:41 - The Power of Viral Content on Social Media Platforms
    00:08:04 - The Saturation of Reacting to Music and Changing the Mindset of Providing Value
    00:10:52 - The Pressure to be the First and Building a Loyal Audience
    00:13:30 - Balancing Organic Content and Sponsorship Demands
    00:16:03 - Finding Value and Fulfillment in UA-cam Content Creation
    00:18:37 - Viral Content and the Illusion of Numbers
    00:21:22 - The Power of Short Form Content in Building a Fan Base
    00:23:54 - Increasing Industry Cred Through Monthly Listeners
    00:26:19 - Bands' Resistance to Creating Content
    00:28:50 - Short Form Content and Providing Value
    00:31:38 - The Importance of Contrast in Metal Music
    00:34:17 - The fusion of genres in metal and the importance of bands that push boundaries
    00:37:06 - The Combination of Metal and Alternative Music Cultures
    00:39:46 - Making Anything Metal: Inspiration and Music Theory
    00:42:25 - Having Fun and Providing Value in Music Reaction Videos
    00:44:53 - The dangers of over-saturating the Deathcore scene
    00:47:33 - The Importance of Pushing Boundaries in Deathcore and Metalcore
    00:50:10 - The Evolution of Modern Metal and Discussing Boundaries as a Public Figure
    00:52:50 - Separating Personal Life from UA-cam and Escapism
    00:55:31 - Balancing Personal Struggles with Entertaining Viewers
    00:58:12 - Navigating Vulnerability and Parasocial Relationships in Content Creation
    01:00:45 - Setting Boundaries with Fans as a UA-camr or Musician
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  • @FinnMckentyPRMBA
    @FinnMckentyPRMBA  Рік тому +17

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  • @NikNocturnal
    @NikNocturnal Рік тому +391

    Thanks for having me dude! Was a pleasure chatting

    • @chernobylcoleslaw6698
      @chernobylcoleslaw6698 Рік тому +5

      You're welcome, come back anytime.

    • @HealthyGuitarPlayer
      @HealthyGuitarPlayer Рік тому +2

      Coleslaw is a great host

    • @joeschmoe5009
      @joeschmoe5009 Рік тому

      I see staalrs is back as of today! They just uploaded 2 new songs

    • @Dab_Marino
      @Dab_Marino Рік тому

      Algorithm going crazy 4 ya. Dope AF channel man

    • @zsnowbarger
      @zsnowbarger Рік тому

      As an aging emo/core kid, living vicariously through watching Nik over the years is so much fun. Thanks for the enjoyment of music you provide bro.

  • @Hunac-Ceel
    @Hunac-Ceel Рік тому +225

    So nice to see mum and dad getting along ❤

  • @bloodymothcurse
    @bloodymothcurse Рік тому +262

    I don’t believe this actually happened, this is most definitley AI

  • @KeyOfGeebz
    @KeyOfGeebz Рік тому +102

    Every content creator, no matter be it in music or not, should watch this. great thoughts on Sleep Token!! so well done, guys.

  • @Nestorglass
    @Nestorglass Рік тому +120

    Ofc I watch a podcast of two of my favorite creators in the scene and they're already starting with feet.

  • @mattsolegod
    @mattsolegod Рік тому +9

    Nik is the man. Was amazing to work with him after being a fan of his for years. 🔥

  • @Dylan-ym2fc
    @Dylan-ym2fc 8 місяців тому +4

    Nik is the reason I listen to Spiritbox, Lorna Shore, Sleep Token, Ice Nine Kills and Electric Callboy. All of those bands are on my list to go and see when they tour nearby and there's very little chance I'd have discovered them without Nik's reactions. Such a great creator who is helping to push metal to a wider audience 🤘

  • @jtomi003
    @jtomi003 Рік тому +28

    Seeing Nik's take on Knocked Loose at Coachella made me instantly think "this is a Finn take." Loving the interaction between creators, and cant wait the future of hardcore and metal (read music) with both of you breaking things down so the rest of us metalheads (read closed minded idiots) can understand.

    • @bolillo5013
      @bolillo5013 Рік тому

      Same here lol

    • @batman-sr2px
      @batman-sr2px Рік тому

      ah yes those who actually like metal and don't put much value on radio play and playing coachella are idiots.

  • @brewsaughmighty7024
    @brewsaughmighty7024 Рік тому +10

    This is golden. Two of my favorite music creators in one vid. Super solid.

  • @gkezele
    @gkezele Рік тому +9

    2 of my 4 favorite music youtubers! (shoutout to Jared Dines and Stevie T as well) Thanks for having Nik on Finn!

  • @hypeman133
    @hypeman133 Рік тому +8

    I dont know how many bands this random 29 yo dude from Spain like me has discovered thanks to both of you ❤

  • @IWearShaqs
    @IWearShaqs Рік тому +24

    Finn knows Nic is deathly allergic to sunlight. That's why he'd never ask him to do the interview in person. Good job looking out for your boy Finn!

    • @metalshark41
      @metalshark41 Рік тому

      Haha! It definitely has to be the eyes 😆

    • @taylorlo4542
      @taylorlo4542 Рік тому

      ​@@metalshark41 That Emma Chamberlin eyeshadow... or poor guy needs to get some sleep.

    • @jovialpunch
      @jovialpunch Рік тому +1

      How does Nik with his aversion to sunlight look more tanned than Finn then 🤣🤣

    • @loganpriest6029
      @loganpriest6029 Рік тому +1

      Only time he goes out in the sun is when he's channeling his inner crab chakra.

    • @taylorlo4542
      @taylorlo4542 Рік тому

      @@loganpriest6029 There's only so many colored rooms and abandoned warehouses to djent in. Might as well bring back the grassy fields like it's 2010!

  • @DarrellBraunsLongThumbNail
    @DarrellBraunsLongThumbNail Рік тому +12

    Nik is like having a cool younger brother, who's better at guitar than I'll ever be. Finn is like my slightly younger brother, who's still better at guitar than me.

  • @__zzz___
    @__zzz___ Рік тому +8

    nik introduced so many bands to me, i owe him half my current music taste lol

  • @psychobetha
    @psychobetha Рік тому +7

    Finn and Nik together again? 😃 this is awesome, thank you!
    edited to add: i really appreciate the discussion about maintaining your privacy while being a public figure. maybe it’s just my age (being firmly genX) but we used to have to seek out magazines and mtv and shit to learn anything about people in the public sphere. now everything is so instant and pervasive that people expect you to share everything, and that’s not healthy or safe for y’all. i choose to not seek out the minutia, and i’m 100% okay with y’all not sharing shit that should be for you and yours alone. if people want to share, ok then. but there shouldn’t be pressure to do so. stalkers and haters exist and your mental health is important. i’d rather have my favorite youtubers safe and happy 🤷🏼‍♀️

  • @lout9231
    @lout9231 Рік тому +9

    the cross over we didn't deserve. Legends.

  • @ThatOGOne
    @ThatOGOne Рік тому +5

    Really the only 2 content creators I pay any attention to in the punk/metal world so this is awesome

  • @fedmcglowie7240
    @fedmcglowie7240 Рік тому +1

    @40:55 hit the nail on the head. You can feed any genre through the medium of metal once you have a good enough grasp of what the real essence of that particular genre is.

  • @GregNoblin
    @GregNoblin Рік тому +1

    Hey, thanks guys. How to say this without sounding like a dbag, I don't think it's possible... I've been a gallery represented fine artist for just over 13 years. I've always been interested in the creative process in creators of any kind. I love hearing the different approaches people in differing mediums have. It was fascinating hearing that fine line between being relevant, as creating and original while balancing keeping the lights on and bills paid. I think the coolest part is even with the stress, the self created deadlines, the work load, the successes and failures, the struggle of every aspect of everything in being a creator, you're still compelled to create and find a way to continue creating. It's hard for me to really express in words, but it was awesome hearing and connecting on a professional level in an odd way.

  • @Quicklost182
    @Quicklost182 Рік тому +3

    Timing couldn’t be more perfect Finn. Got a 2 hour ride for work. 😭😭😭
    Thank you bud!

  • @bobbydrex5268
    @bobbydrex5268 Рік тому +1

    Can confirm for myself at least that Nik's reaction video to Hypa Hypa got me into Electric Callboy. Never heard of them before and now I love em.

  • @larchiek6878
    @larchiek6878 Рік тому +1

    I love Nik!! His guitar content has been so helpful over the years for me and so many others!

  • @dastardlygonzo
    @dastardlygonzo Рік тому +2

    Love Nik. He helped me get excited about metal again.

  • @UsefulIdiot77
    @UsefulIdiot77 Рік тому +2

    You both are my favorite music related creators this is sick!

  • @jjharmon8075
    @jjharmon8075 Рік тому +1

    I have learned lot from Nik Nocturnal and I have been with his channel for a while. I really love watching him .

  • @SternoCleidoMastoid666
    @SternoCleidoMastoid666 Рік тому +1

    Hell yea. My two favorite UA-camrs coming together ! Finn you rock and Nik you kick ass too this is a great collab that I’ve been waiting for a long time! Keep it up boys 🤘🏼😜🤘🏼

  • @edshanks2189
    @edshanks2189 Рік тому

    Love both of you guys! Great chat!

  • @oldpunker885
    @oldpunker885 Рік тому +1

    This is amazing. Two of my fave music content creators. Finn youve gotten some great guests lately.

  • @jrayne93
    @jrayne93 Рік тому

    One of my favorite podcasts. Love both of yall. Dont stop being you. Much love

  • @katherinej51679
    @katherinej51679 Рік тому

    I think I’ve been watching Nik around a year (I may be way off but it hasn’t been a super long time) and I JUST found out he played guitar a few days ago.

  • @davida1310
    @davida1310 Рік тому

    Been watching Nik for awhile and have recently started binge watching your videos so was nice to see a crossover.

  • @treewisemenllc7281
    @treewisemenllc7281 Рік тому +2

    Two of my favorite creators in the same video, hell yeah brother!!

  • @DoNotLookDown
    @DoNotLookDown Рік тому +2

    I've absolutely heard a ton of new music from reaction channels and Mr. Nocturnal is one of the goats.

  • @bazamere
    @bazamere Рік тому

    Two of my favorite youtube music content creators in the same podcast ❤ though I will admit I only just came across Nik recently which is weird. I wonder if the reaction channel thing is actually going to make its own genre of metal. Ive noticed the same bands and songs getting reacted to over and over. Also as a consumer of this sort of content Im 100% guilty of also using it as a sort of "friend simulator" lol but I dont have any expectations of reciprocation, mostly I started commenting on youtube videos because I heard comments help a channels algorithm and now its just where I come to pretend I can actually socialize 😂.

  • @KevinSheldrick
    @KevinSheldrick Рік тому +2

    I didn’t even get passed the ad before I liked the video lol I watch both of you guys daily. Love the content! Always entertaining….PS “hypa hypa you’re pretty and I like ya”

  • @whitepony7864
    @whitepony7864 Рік тому

    love the harmony of the shirts colours and the backgrounds

  • @theangelbelow88
    @theangelbelow88 Рік тому

    Great podcast, love Nik, such a chill and down to earth guy

  • @rebekahcarter8120
    @rebekahcarter8120 Рік тому

    I think y'all made some great points about having fun while still having an emotional connection. Those two things are not mutually exclusive. I wish more metalheads would realize that. "A good song is a good song. The genre is just the coat of paint you put on it." So, so true!!

  • @Luka_Griffin
    @Luka_Griffin 8 місяців тому

    This interview has so much great advice on content and music creation. Thank you Finn and Nik!

  • @anoxia999
    @anoxia999 Рік тому

    I’m a day old subscriber to your channel, your video which mentions Burzum was recommended by the algo and it is probably because I was talking s**t about Burzum this very week😂The comments on your channel are just as gold, you seem to have as awesome followers as content. Even if people don’t always agree, it seems you have genuine, earnest and authentic conversations which generates likewise comments. And anyway with social media content, agreement is far less valuable than understanding. Who cares if someone agrees or disagrees in such a context lol what would be the point of that unless you hop online to stroke some wounded ego. Some people never realize this, like, ok-someone agrees with you online…now what…it’s so inconsequential, unfulfilling, scratches a superficial surface of signaling polite niceties, and lacking impact. Most people don’t even understand what they agree with😂I appreciate your contributions to the interwebs space, sir. It’s nice to see two creators I appreciate conversing.

  • @Tempo1337
    @Tempo1337 Рік тому +3

    I was hesitant to check out Nik for a long time because I assumed/was afraid that he was just another Metal Bro elitist dickhead. There are a LOT of those guys (it's always guys) on UA-cam and just couldn't bear another one. Then I took the plunge and delightfully discovered that he's just a chill, positive dude who just likes good shit and doesn't feel the need to dump on stuff, metal or not.
    Love Nik.

  • @brandonabiggs
    @brandonabiggs 4 місяці тому

    Two of the best streamin dudes on teh interwebz in one vid?
    Ferkyeeeerrrr!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 🤘🤘

  • @jsan2548
    @jsan2548 Рік тому

    Great interview as always.

  • @sillysiji5257
    @sillysiji5257 Рік тому +1

    Definitely agree with Nik in regards to Sleep Token. Sleep Token does the diversity of music like the funk or electronic styles with purpose and not for Irony. Whereas other bands failed due to doing these things not for musical purpose but, out of sarcasm or irony.

  • @F2t0ny
    @F2t0ny Рік тому +3

    I started watching his content recently and checked to see if you had done a podcast with him and BAM here it is.

  • @DannySlept
    @DannySlept Рік тому

    i'm graceful with nik that guy make me like metal sm!

  • @F2t0ny
    @F2t0ny Рік тому +1

    Nik makes metal fun

  • @aenema133
    @aenema133 11 місяців тому

    My two favorite music UA-camrs having a discussion about music. I can die happy.

  • @coreyw5981
    @coreyw5981 Рік тому

    Haha i love how finn throws in "sleep token" in the title out of everything they talk about. I cant even find it in the time stamps. Trying to get the extra views😂 im glad youre starting to see how big theyre getting since you had your doubts even early this year
    Found it though and i love what you guys had to say about them

    • @FinnMckentyPRMBA
      @FinnMckentyPRMBA  Рік тому +1

      Its about 25% of the way into the podcast I think. The timestamps are autogenerated

  • @kollinrose
    @kollinrose Рік тому +7

    Nik noc's how to metalcore, deathcore etc. Are amazing 👏 🔥🤘

  • @tyschoneman1389
    @tyschoneman1389 Рік тому

    Two great gentlemen. 🎉

  • @ryanrowe1975
    @ryanrowe1975 Рік тому +1

    Nik is a legend!

  • @Mass-produced
    @Mass-produced Рік тому +1

    Two of my favorites 😍

  • @Konfide4043
    @Konfide4043 Рік тому +6

    These guys are definetely sisters.

  • @adambenjamin2692
    @adambenjamin2692 Рік тому +1

    I really appreciate how Nik is focusing on turning views & number into revenue. However, I think he undervalued it a bit - those "numbers" he gets (follower/subscribers/views for algo) from short-form viral content all translate into more streams, merch buys, and other avenues. If you bridge those two things, THAT IS THE WAY.

  • @ghost_to_a_ghost
    @ghost_to_a_ghost Рік тому

    Unexpected and super rad interview 😎👍

  • @pologashima
    @pologashima Рік тому +1

    best crossover ever

  • @jc91797
    @jc91797 Рік тому

    my two fav metal content creators

  • @tjh5716
    @tjh5716 Рік тому

    The irony of the discussion of monitization. I have never watched a UA-cam video with more ads than this one. Damn.

  • @CharlieViking95
    @CharlieViking95 Рік тому

    What a collab!

  • @aimeeaztec4601
    @aimeeaztec4601 Рік тому +3

    Great interview thanks Finn - have loved nik for ages and he’s such an articulate cool guy! Top stuff!

  • @Sirriffsalot
    @Sirriffsalot Рік тому

    Nik is awesome!

  • @coltennial9513
    @coltennial9513 Рік тому +2

    Finn if you lean just a bit more forward you can smell the cologne Nik wears on the back of his neck.

  • @thermalxx99
    @thermalxx99 Рік тому

    2 of my favs

  • @CaseyHayesVocals
    @CaseyHayesVocals Рік тому

    Nik on prmba? Hell yeah brother

  • @Cr0wsMurd3r
    @Cr0wsMurd3r 5 місяців тому +1

    Dammit Finn... I never noticed that you blink alot, now I am totally gonna think about that all the damn time 🤣

  • @theredpanda522
    @theredpanda522 Рік тому

    UA-camrs can be musicians the drummer for counterparts Kyle Brownlee made rock band drum videos back in the day

  • @MrTJeffords
    @MrTJeffords Рік тому +2

    This is the most color I have ever seen in Nik's face

  • @orry.420
    @orry.420 Рік тому

    Nik and fin. 😭🙏 Thank you lord

  • @hishamhilal8332
    @hishamhilal8332 Рік тому

    Finally this combo

  • @maximedube-limon5632
    @maximedube-limon5632 Рік тому

    My two men!! Niiice that was hard metal cool!

  • @FlyForAWhiteTy
    @FlyForAWhiteTy Рік тому +1

    Finn we can get you a keyboard to play along to reactions with

  • @MacPNW
    @MacPNW Рік тому +2

    Awe, you coordinated outfits

  • @leisenlol3091
    @leisenlol3091 Рік тому +6

    My two favorite channels in one video, thought it would never happen to be honest

  • @adamstelzer4436
    @adamstelzer4436 Рік тому +28

    Now only if Alex Hefner was here we would complete the trinity.

    • @caffeinatedinsanity2324
      @caffeinatedinsanity2324 Рік тому +4

      Shouldn't it be Jared Dines instead?

    • @Konfide4043
      @Konfide4043 Рік тому

      I'd rather have Alex's dad Hugh on

    • @roflc0re
      @roflc0re Рік тому +1

      Don't forget A&P-react aswell

    • @CaseyHayesVocals
      @CaseyHayesVocals Рік тому

      If we're talking metal commentary UA-camrs, Jared dines or jarrod alonge seem appropriate though both aren't very active lately

    • @JT-ne8du
      @JT-ne8du Рік тому

      Hefner sucks. Brings less than nothing to the table

  • @robur1981
    @robur1981 Рік тому

    My two favourites in on video.

  • @SBridge11100
    @SBridge11100 Рік тому

    yo Finn will you ever do a video on Nightwish and/or Sabatons?

  • @stzsurge2250
    @stzsurge2250 Рік тому

    49:29 I see stars are actually coming back this year lmao

  • @chrisnorman1902
    @chrisnorman1902 Рік тому +2

    Both in pink! Cute!

  • @Seven7Pain1
    @Seven7Pain1 Рік тому

    Two Biggest Posers in metal and punk , im #3 😂 love both your channels but couldnt pass up chance to say that 🤙🤘🏼

  • @xezmakorewarriah
    @xezmakorewarriah Рік тому

    nik is so sunburnt his skin tone almost blends with his hoodie lmao

  • @KageyVision
    @KageyVision Рік тому +2

    This was a really cool interview. As a creator, you have both made me think a little bit more about creating UA-cam shorts too 🤟🏾

  • @jasonconklin6702
    @jasonconklin6702 Рік тому

    Good collab!
    Fuck the haters!
    Ya'll Rock!

  • @mjothman
    @mjothman Рік тому

    Nik's an absolute genius

  • @tricksonafixed
    @tricksonafixed Рік тому

    It would be awesome to see Scott Carstairs get an interview. I know his band isn’t the talk of the town but he is such an underrated artist.

  • @MikeDunne
    @MikeDunne 10 місяців тому

    you should do a interview with jared dines or stevie t.

  • @ryanportino9857
    @ryanportino9857 Рік тому +1

    jimmy & timmy power hour IRL

  • @daviduliasz2437
    @daviduliasz2437 Рік тому

    Greatest collab in metal history

  • @fredbergeron2193
    @fredbergeron2193 Рік тому

    Thats what i like with the Alt scene is loving each other not like the metal scene

  • @mutantdog.
    @mutantdog. Рік тому

    Both rocking the pink getup I see. 😉

  • @Roguenjosh
    @Roguenjosh Рік тому

    good dudes

  • @jacksdad734
    @jacksdad734 Рік тому

    Cool

  • @sasquanchsmoove3685
    @sasquanchsmoove3685 Рік тому

    As an artist on Spotify, I feel it when he said he would make a penny per billion views on there.

  • @Dan_PM
    @Dan_PM Рік тому +2

    next time can you ask him how he keeps his hair so voluptuous

  • @codycroosh3073
    @codycroosh3073 Рік тому

    Does nik have a filter on his face? He normally looks so pale ha. Great interview

  • @erika3174
    @erika3174 Рік тому

    Omg, I love you both! I mean.. not in a para-social way.. of course...

  • @NeXaSLvL
    @NeXaSLvL Рік тому

    there will always be periods of innovation and saturation, that's how innovations become cemented

  • @mysuicideful
    @mysuicideful Рік тому

    This is what "an interviewer interviewed the interviewer" looks like 😆

  • @robertstone9325
    @robertstone9325 Рік тому

    If you like metal and if you like guitar, you know Mr. Nocturnal. Lol