Is Nik Nocturnal WRONG about everything??
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- Опубліковано 1 січ 2023
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I react to Nik Nocturnals predictions for metal in 2023: thall (Humanity's Last Breath), shoegaze (Loathe), post-hardcore, Brand Of Sacrifice, and more.
Nik Nocturnal's metal in 2023 video: • Metal in 2023
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Whitechapel don’t get enough credit with pioneering the melodic Deathcore stuff. They’ve been incorporating melodies into their brand of Deathcore in measured doses since a couple of albums already.
They don’t get their due credit. Phil Bozeman is such a versatile and compelling vocalist too.
Just say No to shoegaze. 🚫 👞 👀
Whether you agree with Nik or not, you gotta appreciate his passion and excitement for metal.
It's facts
His voice makes him so punchable
Fr i thought the metal community on UA-cam was dead until I found his channel
@Dragon Ball fans can't read very hipster and gatekeepy take that tops my list of dumbest shit I heard today
@Dragon Ball fans can't read I ain't reading all that but I'm happy for you or sorry that happened
I can see shoegaze getting big for the exact reason that I enjoy it; it sounds dreamy, and sometimes a sonic aesthetic matters more than some easily-recalled musical substance, like a hook or a breakdown.
Exactly. It’s not about hooks or some kind of feel good payoff so much as it is about vibe and atmosphere.
Especially now when so many people are listening in ways that make the vibe more important. If you're trying to study or focus on some kind of work, then a catchy hook or breakdown can defeat that. A background vibe can be more conducive to that. Another interesting way how societal change is influencing what music we choose to listen to, which in turn changes what music is actually becoming most influential.
Shoegaze is so trendy already. Every hipster listen to slowdive and mbv
Yeah, the fact that there is a whole subsection of youtube that's just songs remixed as if you were in the bathroom of the club is proof enough that atmospheric songs can take off.
can see more hardcore bands messing with it or doing side projects.
Bad omens is perfect for younger crowds. The melodic almost edm construction, and chunky guitars. I find that the vocalist is perfect for younger people. Very unique and contrasting multiple times per song.
As a young person who loves them another point I’d add, is that they have a lot of song variety. I’m a singles person; I don’t listen to albums because I get bored of what sounds like the same song in different ways for 13 tracks. Bad Omens latest album switched up the kinds of sounds in their songs so much that I can listen to the entire thing without getting bored. I think that could also be true for other younger people
@revues de minuit I understand that! I am 20, but I am a huge album fan. I like to be fully immersed for long periods of time in music. The latest album is a perfect balance with blending both younger and older views together. It sound alot like Melodic Metalcore which is a huge switch for me too.
Trivium and BMTH are the only other ones
What subgenres are I Prevail are?
@@christiandauz3742 oh yeah. I like I prevail. It's all just a mix of edm and metal. Always satisfying
@@MoraMorbid
I thought I Prevail is Nu-Metal/metalcore?
Especially with 'Body Bag' which sounds like Linkin Park + Slipknot
I think that Shoegaze is something that will influence more of the production side of the metal scene than the writing. The wall of sound signature of the genre is something I see becoming popular with metal people if it mixes with heavier things like breakdowns to create heavy but melodic vibeier songs while also not being as jam heavy as what shoegaze usually is. All the stuff with pedals can be done with digital modelers now.
I'm really excited for the new Narrow Head album in February. They blend Hardcore, Shoegaze, and Grunge in a really interesting way. They kind of remind me of Hum or some of Deftones more shoegaze influenced stuff
I used to be a genre nerd but I’ve pretty much just have been seeing all of these sub genres kind of just prove to me that it’s just all metal but with maybe some Deathcore in there or hardcore etc. I love how diverse metal has become and I’m all for it
These days i only care about genres when I'm trying to describe a band to someone. It's very difficult.
@@dragonballfanscantread2383 well yeah, but the metal sub genres I mean that are in there, pop, rap, and like indie are like other genres I hear in lots of metal, some of the other genres I love listening too, shits cool
@@Thermobyte true bro
@@dragonballfanscantread2383ut it falls under the scope of metal doesn’t it? I referred to my music as metal the other day and someone kinda turned their nose up at me I didnt understand.
Saw the Loathe and Static Dress tour twice and it was easily one of the best and most fun shows I’ve been two. A lot of ppl that were there were in their early to mid twenties and it’s crazy how popular Loathe’s “I Let It In And It Took Everything” is for being two and half years old
Static Dress’s Rouge Carpet Disaster was dope AF too
Fit For An Autopsy is easily the deathcore band that's best at incorporating emotion. Like, "Your Pain is Mine" literally made me cry. A deathcore song. Made me cry.
Best deathcore band in the game
That song slaps hard ofc
That whole album is insane. Mirrors hits like a truck too!
finally some love for them !!!
Requiem from angelmaker is similar, that and your pain is mine conveyed more sadness than I thought possible for the genre
I think shoegaze, despite not being that catchy, definitely has the potential to take off. A lot of people care a lot about the "vibes" now, rather than just caring about hooks
I think that's true too. But has there ever been a breakout artist that gets by purely on vibes?
@@FinnMckentyPRMBA I'm not sure about musicians in particular, but I'd say trance/psytrance and other EDM genres like that are vibes based - and I'd say trance has a huge following.
@@FinnMckentyPRMBA there's some UK band on TikTok that is farming views by claiming that they are bringing "guitar music" back or something. Always makes me roll my eyes. I listen to plenty of tech death and prog metal, so yeah, sure, impress me with your 2 chords with like 10 effect pedals that add nothing.
@@FinnMckentyPRMBA Beach House for sure
@@FinnMckentyPRMBAAllot of rappers like Playboi Carti and Lil Uzi vert
Yes
Finn: I like hooks, I like emotion, I like melody, I like catchy poppy tunes.
Power metal: We have those.
Finn: No, not like that.
:p
Maybe he'd like Dragoncorpse: a band that mixes deathcore with power metal.
Shoegaze can be really catchy there’s a reason why that and Dreampop have a lot of crossover bands
Also MBV has plenty hooks on Loveless, I just think modern bands are more focused on fitting the criteria and aesthetics with Shoegaze and not actually writing songs
I agree, shoegaze can be very catchy, it depends just on how you present it though your music. I don't really dig some core shoegaze bands, but it works perfectly with other genres - dream pop, post-punk, black metal.
Shoegaze-metal and post-hardcore is something that I can see becoming big in this year and decade too. As for Post-hardcore, checkout this group called Static Dress and their album Rogue Carpet Disaster. That whole album is just one big post-hardcore resurgence. The last song Cubicle Dialogue reminds me so much of old Underoath and Hopes Die Last's first album.
Love that album
Nik is the one true prophet, and metal is His church. Loved both of your comments on this.
I predict that this is the year King Diamond will take over mainstream radio! I can't wait \m/
God, I wish.
is King Diamond still alive?
he made some insane bird sounds back in the day
@@GordonSlamsay yes and he still sounds as timeless as ever LMAO (I actually love his music but you know...)
@@Nestorglass good to hear. I've never really listened to a lot of his work (aside from the most "popular" stuff)
I think the production side of things is going to get reaaaaally interesting. Bands and artists like Brand of Sacrifice or Methwitch have been using more modern production and almost edm type writing with their songs for years (throwing everything in there to make the song as hype and crazy as it gets without thinking "oh can we play this live? Shouldn't we use less electronics?"). I'd love to see more bands and artists in metal really utilizing their DAWs to make the craziest stuff we've ever heard
Edit: I think it's kinda crazy that bands have taken a lot of influence by og djent bands like periphery and tesseract who've been utilizing pads, synths and other electronics that were used in pop, edm and hip hop for years without really trying to actually get their own approach at it and really utilizing their DAWs and modern music production tools to create new and crazy things in metal.
I mean it's not easy to write a good song or track but given the possibilities there should be at least a ton of shitty underground songs that try out weird shit like that but most of the underground metal that didn't come from one person projects on soundcloud or youtube rarely uses music influence from music in the 21st century while literally EVERY other alternative movement has borrowed heavily from all sorts of music styles (including rock and metal) over the past few years.
I think loathe is gonna blow tf up this year. Same with static dress. They both toured the US in the fall and basically every show sold out.
As far as frontmen go, only from static dress seems pretty damn charismatic.
Olly*
Both dropped some good tunes lately
The whole shoegaze metal thing had its 5 mins about 10 years ago. The UK had a big ambient metal scene. Devil sold his soul, Rinoa, Bossk, Between the Screams, The Mire. It didn't last long.
loving the Abigail Williams shoutout. and speaking of Winds Of Plague: i saw them play with Abigail Williams around 2008 in NW FL, and WOP’s drummer was out, so Abigail’s drummer stepped up and played their set with them on that tour after like two weeks of prep. homies don’t let homies drop sets.
Samus?
@@drinkinouttacups2665 i’m not well-versed in their lineup history. it was just super impressive, and on occasion when there was a flub it was either quickly recovered or made for a cute lil moment without being awkward. quite a show.
Ken is an absolute beast. Abigail needs to make a big resurgence soon... I actually just listened to their track "into the ashes" omw to work this morning.
Such a banger.
Was in Alan Cassidy who plays for Black Dahlia now? Abigail Williams is super underrated, their most recent album is one of my favourite black metal albums in recent years
Cassidy was in Abigail at some point
Deftones is getting really huge w younger people. I think that’s a indication that Shoegaze is going to have its moment
No, they're not
Oh yes they are
@@OTB2002yes they are
Deftones have and always will suck
Spiritbox absolutely needs to have a good release in 2023 because Rotoscope was really good but very polarizing.
If you ever forget when Winds of Plague's Era was, just remember, THIS IS WINDS OF PLAGUE ON THAT 2008 SHIT!!
I've got to say, Lorna Shore definitely happened lol. I have some pretty hefty anxiety issues with crowds, they're the first band to get me to get out to a concert in like 10 years. heard they were in town from a coworker and knew i had to go.
I heard artists say that what determines the succes of a song is if it is used in popular playlists and since most playlists on spotify are curated by genres, I guess genres still matter quite a bit. At least that's my guess
I said on a Justin Hawkins video that Turnstile’s GLOW ON was one of the best post hardcore albums since Sing The Sorrow… blokes buried me in the comments saying that GLOW ON isn’t post hardcore. What I want to say here is if we’re considering that album to be post hardcore, I absolutely see post hardcore becoming a huge genre in the scene. I think that there are enough DGD-type bands to legitimize “Swancore” as its own genre. When I think of posthxc I think of early 2000s AFI, Blood Brothers, Static Dress, If I Die First, Turnstile, Glassjaw, and Old Wounds.
It’s nice to see Underoath finally get more of the recognition they deserve
I just wanna see metal hit that sweet spot of art-for-artists and art-for-audiences - I think loathe are doing that best as of now, mixing big ambient shoegaze and extreme metal aggression with catchy hooks, memorable structures and absolutely exceptional live shows.
I am also going to make a prediction for 2023 and beyond. I think we are going to see a lot more independence in artists without the need for record labels or industry labels. With the great technology, that’s out there easily accessible and platforms like music streaming, UA-cam, twitch, tick-tock, etc., I don’t see a need for a label anymore. And if the band can acquire a good manager who can promote the artist getting into things like venues and shows and tours, etc. it’s not that hard to achieve.
Shoegaze probably isn’t gonna pick up for recreational music but for something to listen to while you’re working, 100%. It fits in with ambient, Lofi, and classical. What’s different is it’s music with vocals that you can still listen to while writing an email.
first vid of 2023 lets go! happy new year! personally im looking forward to more new school old school death metal from hardcore band members for example the nnew sanguisuggabogg comes out this year. as far as metal probably more strings on the guitars drums that are so insane only computers can do them and insane levels of vocal peformance. there will be more nu metal influence ibanez annd mesa boogie might have a record year lol. more hardcore band memebers will be doing shoe gazey grungy type rock side projects like spice or something similar, tik tok will continue to be a huge influence which i think might finally bring some shorter less dramatic songs, no one needs an 8 minute epic anymore
I think Turnstile has been bringing in shoegaze a lot more. But the way they do it sounds good and catchy. Theres guitar riffs that are very shoegaze that are memorable. I dont think shoegaze will ever be more popuular but i def see more metal, hardcore and punk incorporating more shoegaze in their music.
Idk if anyone mentioned this band when talking about shoegaze but there’s this band called Narrow Head that I saw recently and I think they have perfected the shoegaze sound. Catchy riffs and choruses, very melodic and the occasional heavy part. Highly recommend.
Thanks. I know of the genre but never heard of the band. I'll check them out. Much appreciated!🕶🤙
i just checked them out, and i dig the vibe, but from my admittedly very short exposure - that's just pure 90s grunge 😊
i like the vibe. gleemer fit perfectly on this list as well. check out the song come down
@@recordednowhere yes, members were previously in Superheaven and similar bands, definitely grunge revivalists lol funny how any vaguely spacey alt rock now can get called "shoegaze"
@@kage6613 haha ok, i did zero research on the band just listened to a couple tracks and even though i dont believe in or understand genre distinctions all that much, their sound seemed very easy to classify.
then again i have a very diffuse image of shoegaze in my head and that may not be accurate at all.
i hear lots of bands that mix shoegaze stuff w more grunge elements and poppy song structures. i think it could work. new band moodring could do it i think
Right! The whole grunge+shoegaze wave has been proving that catchy shoegaze could work. I would also give a shoutout to the band SOM, especially their most recent album "The Shape of Everything". Just a lovely balance of doom, post-metal and shoegaze with unbelievably catchy hooks.
@@Vdrum1010 Thanks!🕶🤙
Everyone should listen to the band BLEED.
I loved how the Smashing Pumpkins did it in their Siamese Dream album
Philly has a wild grungegaze scene
This video inspired me to start a melodic deathgaze shoe-core band
narrow head and soul blind are just 2 names off the top of my head that are blending shoegaze elements with hardcore and it sounds awesome
Really can't wait for more Job For A Cowboy this year!
Damn it, Finn. I didn't notice the twist tie till you mentioned it and now it's all I see
Ryt 🥺😂
The game, "Cyberpunk 2077", back in the late 80s/90s version of the tabletop rpg was named, "Cyberpunk 2020"... in reference to the the 2020s being a sci-fi concept
Wake up, we got a city to burn.
I love how talented everyone is in the scene now but there’s something about listening to something that’s not as technical and more chaotic that I miss.
Check out Mucous - Resplendent Ooze for that good old school death feel
Obituary Cause of Death comes to mind.
With all the crazy technicality nowadays some of the musicality has been lost. So much of modern metal is forgettable and samey to me.
I like when it sounds like the wheels are juuuust about to fall off. And sometimes when they do
Omerta
@19:10 Pretty much what Bilmuri's been doing for a bit now, it's still clearly anchored in post-hardcore/metalcore, but the man's a genius with how he's so naturally implemented and combined other genres and sounds.
lol! I have the same twist tie sticking up on my mic arm holding the cable in place, now I'm self conscious about it.
If Loathe can manage to release some new material this year in the same vein as Dimorphous Display (single from early 2022), then they will have a huge year. One of their guitarists left the band. My guess is that has put a hurting on the songwriting process.
Anyone heard of Holy Fawn? They released a pretty solid album last year. The genre may not be spot on, but it definitely has the ambient shoegazey vibes to it.
Blackgaze and post-black metal are cool genres. Maybe it'll have a popularity surge this year too
The plot of Back to the Future 2 was them going to the future (2015). I watched this movie when it was new to vhs.
That's heavy.
I agree with you Finn that Metal and Rock music needs to be less nerdy and more accessible.
But going full mid 00’s Emo, Pop Punk, Post Hardcore revival is NOT the way it should go about it. In fact while I was growing up in the mid to late 00’s, you would get bullied and teased if you listened to stuff like Green Day, MCR or Paramore.
I would love to hear bands experiment with genres like Rave, Trance, Eurodance and Trip Hop music with Metal and Rock.
Something like Tiesto Metal, Prodigy Metal, Cascada Metal. I would love to hear stuff like that.
I really hope Spiritbox puts out more stuff. Ive been addicted.
As much as people love the Lorna and deathcore stuff it feels oversaturated to me now. But I'm not really into deathcore, so it is what it is. Im glad some people enjoy it and its gaining popularity.
Apparently I mostly like post hard-core influenced metal? I guess that makes sense. I want my breakdowns but I want my catchy hooks and choruses too.
And you can throw in some of the shoegaze elements. Like Loathe is ok, but I struggle to get into them because they have so much deathcore influence compared to Deftones/Spiritbox etc.
I'm also curious if we get another banger instrumental album with influence from bands like Polyphia and Intervals. Maybe Unprocessed puts something out? Maybe Chon comes back?
Hope 2023 is full of lots of new stuff to enjoy. Thanks for your videos in 2022 Finn.
@@dragonballfanscantread2383 You probably haven't listened to much 2010s metal then.
Noise gate in this video is so intense it's cutting off your ghost.
As someone who has almost always needed melody in his music... hearing nik say "I think it might be the year of melodic deathcore"......
In flames Clayman... was the first time I was introduced to a band that was "heavier" than Metallica (in 2002 so yes, a couple years after it's release)... and they were so heavy (at the time)... but it had so much melody to it. In flames may have been what kickstarted my heavy side... but it also somewhat forced melody into my desires. Which is something deathcore didn't have as much as... and then to the hellfire came out... and oh man my life has changed in the last 20 years
Winds of Plague, The Great Stone War. One of my favorite metal albums.
On post-hardcore coming back. Bad Omens and Devil Wears Prada released post hardcore albums this year and honestly theyve been two of my favorites this year
Man winds of plague was so sick live i got lucky to have seen them when they tourred the first album another band that was also super melodic then was born of Osiris who doesn't get the recognition they deserve i got to see them play a skate rink in San jose California I think 2007 ish that was sick
As being the one friend outta ten that listens to rock/metal/alt/punk, etc. Surrounded by peers that predominantly listen to edm/house/tech. Shoegaze really bridges the gap in the strangest way.
Around 19:20 Finn almost perfectly describes Bilmuri.
When is Finn gonna get on the no wipe train?
Been talking about him since 2019! Recording another podcast with him tomorrow
Humanity’s Last Breath was my first extreme band, back when the other heaviest band I listened to was maybe early Pestillence, and some other death-thrash, more thrash bands. I definitelly prefer thall over djent. At the time I could hardly tell difference between deathcore and death metal, it all sounded just heavier and louder music than anything else.
Now of course I can tell the difference, but still don’t prefer either over the other. There’s great deathcore, great death metal, terrible deathcore and terrible death metal.
Thanks for sharing the genres ans subgenus. There's so many damn selections.
dude HLB as a first extreme band is wild. Literally my favorite band lol
that ad placement was amazing.
3:50 to get to fashion. Shocking.
Moodring is the perfect example mixing shoegaze and metal. Stuff like Constrict (from Moodring) rips pretty hard.
I’m so glad someone mentioned moodring in this comment section. They’re one of my favourite bands at the moment. As you said, they’re perfect at mixing the “vibes” of shoegaze while also having metal breakdowns, but they have catchy hooks as well.
Disagree with the Shoegaze thing, yes its not inherently catchy but there is a lot of shoegaze nostalgia, people just going back and listening to the 90's stuff and like Japanese stuff and even outside metal you are seeing plenty of shoegaze infused with hard rock and indie rock that is actually getting pretty popular in some cases e.g. Wolf Alice, also the success of Dream pop imo among Gen Z can rlly help people get used to more modern shoegaze influenced stuff, if kids are already liking old stuff like Slowdrive, My bloody Valentine and the dream pop acts like Beach house, what's stopping them from enjoying the new stuff.
Saw the Lotus Eater comment. We need a video on them, Finn.
a crazy 2023 would be awesome. We haven't had a truly amazing year since 2017. I'd be hyped.
the breakdown in the Great Stone War will forever be one of my favorites i love WOP
Looking forward for more bands like Ten-56, Darko US, and Paleface that incorporate more hip hop and rap elements.
I like genres simply because it helps me explain music to people or because it helps me know whether or not im likely to like something. But i love bands that blend genres and get creative. So to me it's really not that serious but it is a useful tool
Sonic Youth had like 1.7m monthly listeners last time I checked and they haven't been active for over a decade
Regarding the post-hardcore comeback, I don't believe I've ever heard Finn talk about the band Drug Church, but they've been around since about 2012 and would love to hear his opinion on them. I listen to and like a lot of different kinds of music, but they really stand out to me, and I hope they get more attention in the coming years.
They’re good!
I hear a lot of bands doing the emmure weedly weedlys with the guitars
When the front man looked like he could crush your head between his hands dude was diesel! - winds of plague that is
I hope Humanity’s Last Breath gets the recognition they deserve. I got into them before they released Abyssal. Thall is probably one of the heavier genres I’ve found and I hope it gets the status deathcore has.
So excited to see more post hardcore content!
I recently got into Bad Omens. I can agree it's kinda popping off rn
0:51 literally back to the future 2 when they have hover board skateboards😂
Crazy how back to the future takes place in 2015
I love how metal used to dominate mainstream charts just 20 years ago and now we’re seriously discussing 500k listeners bands blowing the whole industry up
Loathe could have a big moment, if they could tour in 2020 to promote their album
The Age of Melodic Death Core was the first record to which Costco bought the rights for 2024. How great are those samples are going to taste with a little soundtrack?
I want a jazz style bass solo during the breakdown and I expect nothing less.
I call happy / light breakdowns. Like not going heavier/slower/worse in a breakdown, but lighter/beautiful/positive in a breakdown. While staying distinct from a chorus.
Bilmuri does that
Yo how Finn talked about Ska at the end freaking killed me and made my day 🤣🤣 lmaoo
I do like Loathe, but I agree that the Shoegaze-y portions of the music are weak to me. Once it comes on my brain drifts off and I'm no longer hyper-focused on the music but the sound.
Sleeptalk is a 10/10 album. Please give it a full listen Finn. It’s there!
I thought Dark Sun went too far into the pop/synthwave direction and actually ironically somehow lost the hookiness that Sleeptalk had
It's funny that I got an ad for some zombie mobile game at the end of this right after Finn talks about wanting to be killed before the ska virus takes hold if he gets bit. Hahaha! 😂 Loved that part anyway and then getting that ad just took it to the moon for me. Lmao. Love ya Finn!!
I don't love everything shoegaze, but I definitely like a lot of it. Bands like spotlights that just envelope you, also Deftones incorporating shoegaze into heavy music was genius. But I do agree about the lack of 'hooks' in it. I don't think a lot of the shoegaze vocalists are big 'singers', and they sing quite low and low energy, which for the most part fits the vibe of the music, but I'd be a lot more interested if the vocalists had more dynamics, and used more 'pop style' melodies. My band Terminals (we got together just last year) love shoegaze, but also enjoy putting together pop melodies with different genres of rock and metal. This is an attempt at making shoegaze a bit more 'Melodic' ua-cam.com/video/7d0UaV6hc78/v-deo.html&ab_channel=Terminals-Topic
There is also the A side to the release called 'Solitude' which mixes some pop style melodies with more of a grunge/metalcore kinda sound ua-cam.com/video/UurtYwmtrHg/v-deo.html&ab_channel=Terminals-Topic
“The specter of Death inches closer every day” Most metal Finn McKenty quote ever….
He ain’t lying!!
I think a HUGE point that Finn and Nik are missing is the fusion of electronic music (especially dubstep) into metal which I predict to explode in 2023. Bands like northlane and BMTH infusing electronic elements into their music and having huge success, artists like Sullivan King and PhaseOne doing collabs with countless metal bands, Spiritbox releasing songs like rotoscope and doing a collab with Illenium. I think these artists on both sides of the electronic and metal scenes are realizing how much of their fan bases are into both and capitalizing on it.
The headbanger edm thing has been simmering for years. It could break through this year but we’ll see!
@dragonballfanscantread2383 I wish elitist gatekeeping was sufficient grounds for reporting a comment.
It's weird how no one brings up how Greg Puciato from Dillinger Escspe Plan and The Black Queen; his newer contributions to how the scenes and genres are changing and evolving.
I want in 2023 a combination of death core and other core and metal with Ska, that would add some happy notes and emotions to the otherwise gloomy, dark, aggressive music. Finn imagines the sound of happy horns in the middle of a fucking breakdown and a shrill la,la,la vocal
I appreciate the consistency with working on what you set to work on dude
He really has a point about drummers in the metal genre. I can hang when it comes to playing the classics, but this new age stuff is just too quick and precise. Props to any metal drummer today.
I def see it. It’s happening as we speak. Convictions used to be Underoath type metalcore. Now it’s the noises with their new song Stigmata. I like it though.
"if you want to put a saxophone and indy pop vocals with some carly rae jepson synths next to a breakdown and a blastbeat fucking do it"
oh how spot on you were with this line, sleep token just did exactly that
This new wave of bands blurring the lines between Hardcore, Punk, Shogaze and Nu Metal like Higher Power and Soul Blind, that's fresh and creative, I want to hear more of that and there is definitely good hooks !
Turnover's Peripheral Vision definitely had elements of shoegaze and that album is catchy as fuck imo
It's funny how, in they 80s, they thought life would be the Jetsons nowadays
Shoesgaze is just being more incorporated in metal like post hardcore. Thousand below does lots of reverby fuitar stuff. Or this lesser known band called Acres was incredible with doing a postcore and intense reverb guitars with all the melodic tremolo picking stuff
I often complain that sports have entire networks dedicated to analyzing all the games, players, and coaches and most of my interests don't have that level of analysis. There needs to be a show where guys like Finn and Nik talk about the state of punk/hardcore/metal, talk about new bands, and talk about what they think is going to happen next. It's basically First Take for metal fans
I would love to do that but unfortunately people don’t click on videos about new artists
Shoegaze = vibe music, which is why I always liked it. Still love hooks and listen to a lot of other stuff, but I’ve always personally liked the more chill, downtempo stuff. And this current generation is alllll about “vibe”. So yea. Shoegaze FTW 😂
I agree that Loathe could do better by having a bit more catchy songs. I would like to see them do more songs like Domorphous Display which actually has a super catchy chorus that is super emotional and heartbreaking.
I'm not exactly sure if it works like this on spotify but if you listen to just one song from one band does that count you as a monthly listener of the band? Someone having 2 million monthly listeners does not mean its people actively listening your songs it might be because they heard your biggest hit one time on some playlist and now you are "a listener". I think the system needs to be reworked somehow so it shows people who are actually fans of said bands.
SoftCult is a great shoegaze band Finn. It’s Mercedes and Phoenix Arn-Horn’s new band (of Courage My Love) they know how to write a catchy song
I'm interested to see what happens with Paleface in 2023 now that they will do doing their first ever tour of the states soon. Wish them crazy Swedish gents the best