My head canon is that Nomad skips to the planet across from where Yumi takes place and causes the big event that Hoid mentions in Yumi. Thanks for the overview!
The titles of the Stormlight series form a Ketek, the Rosarian poem, of you just take the first letter of each word. TWOK WOR O ROW KOWT So, you can say Brandon kinda shot himself in the foot when he decided that.
@@RookBoneI think the original tital 'Stones Unhallowed' sounds much better, but he's gotta get that ketek. Also, I have a title suggestion, but I'm not sure it fits: 'Knights of Weathered Truth'. 'Wanton Truth' would also work if 'wanton' meant something different
I thought the most recent version of the future books plan was Mistborn 3.1, Sel 2, Mistborn 3.2, Sel 3, Mistborn 3.3. I could be misremembering though.
Is that chronological order or release order? I thought that’s just the order he was going to release them in but that doesn’t mean the books are strictly in that order chronologically. I could definitely see it as more of a concurrency between the two series.
@@jacobgorman3260 I believe he is reforming to the sort of the video where he says that the next books being Written are Elantris 2 and 3 as you are correct
After reading WaT I gotta re read everything past Stormlight era 1 to see what hints I’ve missed knowing the end. Mistborn era 2 has me scared of the connections I’d find and especially confirm.
The WaT pov Novani chapters confirm that Hoid is 3000 years old by the time he arrives at roshar, so now we can kind of better guess that the shattering to odium arriving on roshar is about 3000 years of time
I think MB era 4 is probably the final cosmere timeline event. There's a theory that hoid is trying to Connect to all the shards which I subscribe to and clearly Yumi is his attempt to connect to Virtuosity and in Tress he finally Connects to devotion via gaining the powers of an elantrian. So if MB4 is the final conflict I think it'll be at the very end of the timeline
So I just finished reading every piece of canon cosmere literature I could find but I don't remember reading anything about Odium going to Sel or some of the other background information you mentioned about the Shards. What book did you get this information from or are they just theories? I just wanna make sure I didn't miss anything. Thanks
I believe these are WoBs: bits of lore that Brandon has talked about when asked questions. I don't think Odium's activities are in any book outside of Stormlight
@@whyonthefall5373you’re probably mostly right about the WoBs but having just read Arcanum Unbounded I can say Odium is mentioned at least once in one of the Khriss essays
Previous to Stormlight coming out, it was only confirmed in interviews with Brandon. However, we get it officially stated in the epigraphs of...Oathbringer I believe.
Would love to figure all this out reading on my own, but i just started the cosmere with elantris and mistborn first saga (it took me some time) and yet, it was only 5% of Brandon's books.
Brandon has said in interviews and Q&As that the city of Elantris predates the kingdom of Arelon by hundreds, if not over a thousand years. I don't think it's explicitly stated in the books, but the people of Arelon migrated to that area and found Elantris already built and abandoned. wob.coppermind.net/events/275/#e7592
Wow, is that one of the very rare prints I did of the Santhid page for the 2017 Oathbringer release? The stock of those were lost after the show, so the only ones in the wild are the ones I sold that night! I have no idea how many got out there, but it's way less than the 50 numbered. Hold onto it! ;)
@TheCosmerenaut It's not even that long. Each book takes place over a year or two max. You can guage this by the chapters in the Stormlight books that say "X years ago." For Kaladin these typically go back 6 or 7 years. Shallan's flashbacks are closer to 4 years in the past. Dalinar's are the longest at two or three decades, but those events happen two or three decades before the assassination of Gavilar in Way of Kings Chapter 1.
I've never understood how the five scholars are "early cosmere scholars" when they were born thousands of years after Khriss. Not to mention Silver light. How are the dragons or the Ire not the first scholars?
Now i am re-audibling stormlight and I just read an article today that had Sandersons suggested reading order (usa today article) 1. Way of kings 2. Words of radience 3. Edgedancer (which i had in a compendium) 4. Oathbringer (which is the one i am currently on in my relisten) 5. Dawnshard (which i was previously unaware of but saw in the audible list for the series and bought) 6. Rythm of war (which i bought on release but never listened to) 7. The sunlit man (which I have never heard of and did not see in the stormlight list but see it as the 4th book in the specail projects list). Thats all to get ready for the next Stoemlight that comes out in December. So question. For stormlight only, do I need to read the rest of the special projects or is Sunlit man a fine standalone that I dont need the other specail project books for? I may circle around back to the others when I redo mistborn and the others but right now I want to focus on Roshar.
As long as you're familiar with the rest of Stormlight, Sunlit should be just fine. There's hints and connections to the wider cosmere, but nothing that should trip you up at all.
I don't quite get this, is the time going paralel between thoa two lines? Or you just saying that Vivenna/Azure is several hundred years old in Oathbringer
Elantris has the least in it to help place it in context, and I actually put it later than that big ol' timeline spreadsheet says. But yeah, they're probably really old, at least relative to their birth. Probably haven't strictly experienced all those years though, as Brandon has confirmed that longevity through time dilation is a thing in the cosmere.
@@TheCosmerenaut I also have no idea if Brandon is gonna mess with relativity or what would be up with those "time dialations". Like it could be that they have experienced living for a shorter amount of time but if they returned to Elantris 1000 years would have passed. Super hard to know atm I'd say
My only issue is, doesn't the events of elantris and storm light happen at the same time? Since the old elantrian was put in a portal and ended up in the storm light as a herald?
Brandon's probably moved Elantris up significantly at this point, though we won't know for sure until he releases the sequel. Originally though, Riino was just super old.
if there is several hundred years between warbreaker and stormlight then is vivenna several hundred years old? but how is it possible, she is no returned.
Hi. I'm a bit surprised with your estimation of 100 to 200 years between Mistborn Era 2 and 3. I'm assuming a similar advancement in technology to ours(but slightly faster). In Era 2, there's about be a new convertible model for cars which corespond to our 1930's-ish. Considering the tensions between the nations in Era 2, the chronology seems to match well with ours. My assumption is that there will be at most a 50 year gap before era 3, and characters like Marasi will still be around and playing background but crucial roles.
Im probably wrong but shouldn’t SLA be taking place not too long after era 1 due to the appearance of felt? Unless he’s secretly immortal I feel like this would imply SLA taking place with 30~ years of era 1
@@TheCosmerenaut No, Kingmaker is not the Sixth of the Dusk sequel. Kingmaker is an unrelated story that is *also* set on First of the Sun. Brandon has done a reading of the first chapter of both books, so we know for a fact that they are completely unrelated stories. The Sixth of the Dusk sequel still has Sixth as the main character, and seems to deal with the immediate aftermath of the ending of the first novella. Meanwhile, despite being set on the same planet, the first chapter of Kingmaker has no reference to any of the events from First of the Sun. The main character of Kingmaker is not Sixth but rather a woman named Talaku.
Would love to have you on my podcast and interview you about a topic you consider yourself a fan of and your experiences as a fan of it. Come talk your favorite Cosmere story!
me reads the way of kings and looks to find out a little more about the series I just dove into without looking......this is a safe video.... oh by the way hoit helped kill god....
Wouldnt this timeline make characters like Shai insanely old? Like between 2000 to 1300 years old at the bare minimum? She appears in mistborn era 2, but to my knowledge has no way of sustaining herself for such a long period of time. Even the returned like Vasher are only in the hundreds of years. And no ability in the Sel magic system would prevent aging outside of being an Elantrian, which is a stamp she doesnt want to use. In your original video you discount Elantris as a world the five scholars could have visited due to the Dor. But i dont see it as likely that a forger could make themselves age thousands of years with no issues in comparison to the Elantris/Emperors Soul stories taking place far later. Furthermore, the Dor seems to allow worldhopping done by Hoid, Galladon and Shai. So it might be part of the area around Sel making it more difficult or it spread through the entirety of the cognitive realm, only accessible through Sel and the stricter rules applying to its magic. So worldhopping seems to work even with the Dor active. This would mean the two stories might be moved up the timeline to happen in between Mistborn era 1 and 2. I think general investure does boost lifespan and decreases aging on average, but not to that degree. I would love to hear thoughts on this even if my comment is late as hell.
In the current timeline as we understand it, yes Shai and Codenames would be super old. Brandon has said he's probably changing where Elantris fits, moving it up significantly, but we're not going to get concrete info on that until Mistborn Era 3 comes out.
@@TheCosmerenaut Aah i see. I thought i missed some lore reason for Shai to be ancient. But im glad to hear that this is already known and will probably be accounted for. Thank you!
I think I would have add another event in the timeline. Before joining Cultivation on Roshar, Honor was on his own planet (Ashen ?) in the same system, that eventually got destroyed because of spoilers.
@@reklessbravo2129 If I'm not mistaken it's the other way around. SPOILERS AHEAD Cultivation was on Roshar with the listeners while Honor was on Ashyn with the humans who recklessly used a more potent version of Surgebinding until they basically destroyed their planet and they fled to Roshar. I think that's how the story goes, at leat that's how I recall it.
@@tithannisk7470 potential spoilers Odium came to Roshar with the refugees from Ashyn, so it makes sense he would have spent time there. I've double checked the Ashyn coppermind article, and they've linked a wob stating cultivation spent a little time there (and Ashyn's magic is apparently cultivation based, which does make sense for diseases giving you powers)
@@reklessbravo2129 yeah I checked the article too :) My bad. But the fact remains that the destruction of Ashyn seems imo important enough to be mentioned in the timeline.
I fully disagree with your hypotheses about the timeline for Mistborn eras 3 and 4. I think you are trying to conflate those technological advances of Earth (even which, we went from electricity to internet in far fewer than 200 years). If you recall, someone petitioned (I believe successfully) Harmony to aid in the science progress of a certain people. I think said people will be reaching era 3’s storyline within 40-50 years of the end of era 2.
I loved the "4500 years after the last desolation Szeth Son Son Vallano Truthless Of Shinnovar Wore White" moment
If you know, you know.
Hehehehehehehe
My head canon is that Nomad skips to the planet across from where Yumi takes place and causes the big event that Hoid mentions in Yumi. Thanks for the overview!
Ooh, interesting!
The titles of the Stormlight series form a Ketek, the Rosarian poem, of you just take the first letter of each word.
TWOK WOR O ROW KOWT
So, you can say Brandon kinda shot himself in the foot when he decided that.
Smarrrt. Now we gotta speculate what KOWT is. Or maybe KOW as Twok is also called WoK
@@snowdrop9810the rough title for now as far as I know is Knights of Wind and Truth
@@RookBoneI think the original tital 'Stones Unhallowed' sounds much better, but he's gotta get that ketek.
Also, I have a title suggestion, but I'm not sure it fits: 'Knights of Weathered Truth'. 'Wanton Truth' would also work if 'wanton' meant something different
Knights of the Wound Table!
Knights of Wind and Truth
Cant wait for the split timeline in the updated update
Yep, it's gonna be weird.
I thought the most recent version of the future books plan was Mistborn 3.1, Sel 2, Mistborn 3.2, Sel 3, Mistborn 3.3. I could be misremembering though.
You are correct
Is that chronological order or release order? I thought that’s just the order he was going to release them in but that doesn’t mean the books are strictly in that order chronologically. I could definitely see it as more of a concurrency between the two series.
@@jacobgorman3260 I believe he is reforming to the sort of the video where he says that the next books being Written are Elantris 2 and 3 as you are correct
@@edwardguest1404 totally missed that, clicked off at the "thank you" part assuming there wouldn't be more substance
@@jacobgorman3260 ahha easily done!! Hope you have a great day
Congrats on 10K! You deserve it man!
Thank you!
Please make an update video with the info from wind and truth! There was so much timeline stuff!
The timeline is gonna get *weird.*
Steve your humor gets me. Love your stuff man
Thanks Kirby!
After reading WaT I gotta re read everything past Stormlight era 1 to see what hints I’ve missed knowing the end. Mistborn era 2 has me scared of the connections I’d find and especially confirm.
The re-reads are the most fun!
The WaT pov Novani chapters confirm that Hoid is 3000 years old by the time he arrives at roshar, so now we can kind of better guess that the shattering to odium arriving on roshar is about 3000 years of time
Loving this! Pausing the video just to stare at the timeline in awe.
A full version is linked in the description!
I think i remember Brandon saying that Sunlit Man is far in the Cosmere timeline, but not the farthest we have seen
Ooh, interesting. I'll have to hunt down that WoB.
I think MB era 4 is probably the final cosmere timeline event. There's a theory that hoid is trying to Connect to all the shards which I subscribe to and clearly Yumi is his attempt to connect to Virtuosity and in Tress he finally Connects to devotion via gaining the powers of an elantrian. So if MB4 is the final conflict I think it'll be at the very end of the timeline
My brain was equating Mistborn Era 4 with the general space age; you are correct.
So I just finished reading every piece of canon cosmere literature I could find but I don't remember reading anything about Odium going to Sel or some of the other background information you mentioned about the Shards. What book did you get this information from or are they just theories? I just wanna make sure I didn't miss anything. Thanks
I believe these are WoBs: bits of lore that Brandon has talked about when asked questions. I don't think Odium's activities are in any book outside of Stormlight
@@whyonthefall5373you’re probably mostly right about the WoBs but having just read Arcanum Unbounded I can say Odium is mentioned at least once in one of the Khriss essays
Previous to Stormlight coming out, it was only confirmed in interviews with Brandon. However, we get it officially stated in the epigraphs of...Oathbringer I believe.
That Shaaaod got me lol
Very helpful
I've only got tress, yumi, sunlit man, and Whitesands left to read. Then i have to wait around like everyone else
If you're needing books, I would totally recommend diving in to Sanderson's non-cosmere works!
Yumi and the Nightmare painter is my personal favorite book of all time. Love that book.
It is Very Good™
Isn't Mistborn Era 4 going to be the last point in the cosmere timeline?
Yep mistborn era 4 is the very end
My brain was equating Era 4 with the general space age. It's fixed in the timeline linked in the description.
Would love to figure all this out reading on my own, but i just started the cosmere with elantris and mistborn first saga (it took me some time) and yet, it was only 5% of Brandon's books.
There's always another secret!
I think MB era 4 is supposed to be last. Even after the secret projects
My brain was equating Era 4 with the general space age. It's fixed in the timeline linked in the description.
"But before Labor Day" 😄
Szeth is nothing if not fashionable.
How do we know about the whole thing where elantrians abandoned elantris. Please explain
Brandon has said in interviews and Q&As that the city of Elantris predates the kingdom of Arelon by hundreds, if not over a thousand years. I don't think it's explicitly stated in the books, but the people of Arelon migrated to that area and found Elantris already built and abandoned.
wob.coppermind.net/events/275/#e7592
@@TheCosmerenaut oh okay thank you! Thought i missed something in the books😅
Yessssssssss I needed this
Happy to provide it!
Wow, is that one of the very rare prints I did of the Santhid page for the 2017 Oathbringer release? The stock of those were lost after the show, so the only ones in the wild are the ones I sold that night! I have no idea how many got out there, but it's way less than the 50 numbered. Hold onto it! ;)
Ben!
Nope, it was a gift from my artist friend Nicki Parish; she did a charcoal sketch of it for me for Christmas several years ago.
Isn’t SP4 take place between SA eras 1 and 2?
The gap between Stormlight arcs is max 20 years, and I think the main character there has a lot more to go through than can happen in that time.
@TheCosmerenaut It's not even that long. Each book takes place over a year or two max. You can guage this by the chapters in the Stormlight books that say "X years ago." For Kaladin these typically go back 6 or 7 years. Shallan's flashbacks are closer to 4 years in the past. Dalinar's are the longest at two or three decades, but those events happen two or three decades before the assassination of Gavilar in Way of Kings Chapter 1.
I've never understood how the five scholars are "early cosmere scholars" when they were born thousands of years after Khriss. Not to mention Silver light. How are the dragons or the Ire not the first scholars?
"Early" is relative.
Just a bunch of normal words
Nothing to see here.
Btw mistborn era 4 is based after the secret projects.
My brain was equating Era 4 with the general space age. It's fixed in the timeline linked in the description.
@@TheCosmerenaut hahaha easy to do tbf as often refered to as mistborn space age. Amazing time line thank you for it!!
Thanks so much
You're welcome!
Now i am re-audibling stormlight and I just read an article today that had Sandersons suggested reading order (usa today article)
1. Way of kings
2. Words of radience
3. Edgedancer (which i had in a compendium)
4. Oathbringer (which is the one i am currently on in my relisten)
5. Dawnshard (which i was previously unaware of but saw in the audible list for the series and bought)
6. Rythm of war (which i bought on release but never listened to)
7. The sunlit man (which I have never heard of and did not see in the stormlight list but see it as the 4th book in the specail projects list).
Thats all to get ready for the next Stoemlight that comes out in December. So question. For stormlight only, do I need to read the rest of the special projects or is Sunlit man a fine standalone that I dont need the other specail project books for? I may circle around back to the others when I redo mistborn and the others but right now I want to focus on Roshar.
As long as you're familiar with the rest of Stormlight, Sunlit should be just fine. There's hints and connections to the wider cosmere, but nothing that should trip you up at all.
I don't quite get this, is the time going paralel between thoa two lines? Or you just saying that Vivenna/Azure is several hundred years old in Oathbringer
Vivenna is several hundred years old in Oathbringer.
Thanks thanks and so many thanks ❤
You're welcome and welcome and even more welcome!
So Shai and Kaise are over 1000 years old in the lost metal? I'm skeptical about where Elantris is on this list but other than that seems accurate.
Elantris has the least in it to help place it in context, and I actually put it later than that big ol' timeline spreadsheet says. But yeah, they're probably really old, at least relative to their birth. Probably haven't strictly experienced all those years though, as Brandon has confirmed that longevity through time dilation is a thing in the cosmere.
@@TheCosmerenaut I also have no idea if Brandon is gonna mess with relativity or what would be up with those "time dialations". Like it could be that they have experienced living for a shorter amount of time but if they returned to Elantris 1000 years would have passed. Super hard to know atm I'd say
Is there anything that actually indicates which comes first between Tress and Yumi? Other than publish order?
Publication order is the bulk of it. It just feels further into the future to me. We'll find out once it comes out.
My only issue is, doesn't the events of elantris and storm light happen at the same time? Since the old elantrian was put in a portal and ended up in the storm light as a herald?
Brandon's probably moved Elantris up significantly at this point, though we won't know for sure until he releases the sequel. Originally though, Riino was just super old.
if there is several hundred years between warbreaker and stormlight then is vivenna several hundred years old?
but how is it possible, she is no returned.
So that would make Khriss THOUSANDS of years old…we need a book on her STAT…
He might be revising the timeline between White Sand and Elantris, but either way she's definitely been around longer than she has any right to be.
He has since said Era 3 will be only 50 years after era 2
With what we know of the timeline now after Wind and Truth, that makes sense.
Hi. I'm a bit surprised with your estimation of 100 to 200 years between Mistborn Era 2 and 3.
I'm assuming a similar advancement in technology to ours(but slightly faster).
In Era 2, there's about be a new convertible model for cars which corespond to our 1930's-ish.
Considering the tensions between the nations in Era 2, the chronology seems to match well with ours.
My assumption is that there will be at most a 50 year gap before era 3, and characters like Marasi will still be around and playing background but crucial roles.
Fair point! Consider my stance revised!
Im probably wrong but shouldn’t SLA be taking place not too long after era 1 due to the appearance of felt? Unless he’s secretly immortal I feel like this would imply SLA taking place with 30~ years of era 1
Felt has been around a LONG time. Somehow.
Ah man Book 5 really blew up the timeline 😂
Definitely made it weird!
When does the sequel to sixth of the dusk take place?
Kingmaker? Probably within a year or two after the ending of Sixth of the Dusk.
@@TheCosmerenaut No, Kingmaker is not the Sixth of the Dusk sequel.
Kingmaker is an unrelated story that is *also* set on First of the Sun.
Brandon has done a reading of the first chapter of both books, so we know for a fact that they are completely unrelated stories. The Sixth of the Dusk sequel still has Sixth as the main character, and seems to deal with the immediate aftermath of the ending of the first novella. Meanwhile, despite being set on the same planet, the first chapter of Kingmaker has no reference to any of the events from First of the Sun. The main character of Kingmaker is not Sixth but rather a woman named Talaku.
Oh, I didn't realize those were different books! Thank you!
What about Sunlit Man? If Nomad hasn't become immortal, then the timeline doesn't add up
If Hoid is functionally immortal because of holding the Dawnshard, Sig would be too.
Brandon just said yumi was further than sunlit man in a live stream
Yup, this was before Brandon started dropping future cosmere clarifications all over the place.
I disagree about Yumi being in the far future. I believe it's much closer than you'd think
You're probably right, but a guy can dream.
Would love to have you on my podcast and interview you about a topic you consider yourself a fan of and your experiences as a fan of it.
Come talk your favorite Cosmere story!
Let's figure something out!
me reads the way of kings and looks to find out a little more about the series I just dove into without looking......this is a safe video.... oh by the way hoit helped kill god....
Honestly, not as much of a spoiler as you may think.
Wouldnt this timeline make characters like Shai insanely old? Like between 2000 to 1300 years old at the bare minimum? She appears in mistborn era 2, but to my knowledge has no way of sustaining herself for such a long period of time. Even the returned like Vasher are only in the hundreds of years. And no ability in the Sel magic system would prevent aging outside of being an Elantrian, which is a stamp she doesnt want to use.
In your original video you discount Elantris as a world the five scholars could have visited due to the Dor. But i dont see it as likely that a forger could make themselves age thousands of years with no issues in comparison to the Elantris/Emperors Soul stories taking place far later. Furthermore, the Dor seems to allow worldhopping done by Hoid, Galladon and Shai. So it might be part of the area around Sel making it more difficult or it spread through the entirety of the cognitive realm, only accessible through Sel and the stricter rules applying to its magic.
So worldhopping seems to work even with the Dor active. This would mean the two stories might be moved up the timeline to happen in between Mistborn era 1 and 2. I think general investure does boost lifespan and decreases aging on average, but not to that degree.
I would love to hear thoughts on this even if my comment is late as hell.
In the current timeline as we understand it, yes Shai and Codenames would be super old. Brandon has said he's probably changing where Elantris fits, moving it up significantly, but we're not going to get concrete info on that until Mistborn Era 3 comes out.
@@TheCosmerenaut Aah i see. I thought i missed some lore reason for Shai to be ancient. But im glad to hear that this is already known and will probably be accounted for.
Thank you!
I think I would have add another event in the timeline. Before joining Cultivation on Roshar, Honor was on his own planet (Ashen ?) in the same system, that eventually got destroyed because of spoilers.
Cultivation apparently spent a little time on Ashyn, but I don't think Honor ever did
@@reklessbravo2129 If I'm not mistaken it's the other way around. SPOILERS AHEAD
Cultivation was on Roshar with the listeners while Honor was on Ashyn with the humans who recklessly used a more potent version of Surgebinding until they basically destroyed their planet and they fled to Roshar. I think that's how the story goes, at leat that's how I recall it.
SPOILERS
Now that I think of it, maybe it was Odium who came with the refugees from Ashyn....
@@tithannisk7470 potential spoilers
Odium came to Roshar with the refugees from Ashyn, so it makes sense he would have spent time there.
I've double checked the Ashyn coppermind article, and they've linked a wob stating cultivation spent a little time there (and Ashyn's magic is apparently cultivation based, which does make sense for diseases giving you powers)
@@reklessbravo2129 yeah I checked the article too :) My bad. But the fact remains that the destruction of Ashyn seems imo important enough to be mentioned in the timeline.
SHAAAAAOD
Raoden come and we start to glow!
I fully disagree with your hypotheses about the timeline for Mistborn eras 3 and 4. I think you are trying to conflate those technological advances of Earth (even which, we went from electricity to internet in far fewer than 200 years). If you recall, someone petitioned (I believe successfully) Harmony to aid in the science progress of a certain people. I think said people will be reaching era 3’s storyline within 40-50 years of the end of era 2.
You're absolutely correct. My brain was equating Space Age Mistborn with Era Four Mistborn, and those are not the same thing.
You should really add a spoiler alert to this…
I tried *very hard* to avoid story specific spoilers.