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I don't agree with your Tacoma police grade. I feel they arrived an although where polite, where more concerned with believing the "black man" was in the wrong and blindly believe the report from the first "officer" on scene.
If you are speaking about Police reporting it is the same as lying under oath. Happens in almost every occasion. Bet your ass if it was you or me lying under oath we would be in jail they don't even get a slap on the wrist
A cop bringing a false report, against a working man, regardless of his skin color, should be pursued by the law to the letter. They are making the victim, the suspect. These cops shouldn't even be left in charge of guarding a garbage can. They are trying to exonerate the Sheriff on the spot.
@IamMike86 lol since when does a racial slur need to be used for a hate crime to be committed? If you commit a crime against someone, because of their race, then it’s a hate crime… lol your logic here is crazy.
This sheriff should certainly lose his job, and maybe even face legal consequences. But I certainly don't believe this was a hate crime. If anyone could provide evidence as to why they believe it was, it would be appreciated.
my thoughts exactly, most cops nowadays cant put them selves in anyone else shoes because their egos wont let them. Humanity should come first before anything, especially your job doubly so for police, considering law and order is supposed to be based on what is humane.
🤣🤣🤣🤣 charged yeah that word is foreign to them. They are The Sovereign citizens because of either of us did anything we go to jail we go to jail without even doing anything nowadays
@@brianwilson7624 Did my comment get deleted? Anyways, I said predominately. Implying it's more than 50% or a strong majority of. Don't pull that race card bs
My blood boiled and felt so outraged watching this . Here was a hard working man , trying to earn a living who’s civil rights were violated. This was a dirty stunt that could’ve costed that man his life or jail .
he needs to control his anger. even if the stop/call was unjustified, there is no reason to freak out like that. he can settle it in a much better way by not acting like a moron.
@@Bonestripper1986 Motor paper routes have been around for decades. It’s not taking a child’s job. This may be a residential area but once outside the neighborhood, it could be very rural. A child isn’t going to walk miles to the next delivery. Nor should they. To be a walking paper route, all recipients of the newspaper must live close together. Like I said, it may look like that here, but it could a rural area once leaving the housing addition. A newspaper carrier could have anywhere from 500 to 2000 customers who need their paper before 6am. It is very hard work. No matter who is doing it. My mother had a motor paper route for years while I was growing up. I know this firsthand. I hope this helps.
@@TK-tcbk1 My friend's aunt did the same thing after her husband suffered a stroke. And like you said, it's not something you can do on a bicycle. Also, there's no shame in any kind of honest work.
The sherriff swatted another human being and that should be tantamount to making a death threat. But considering when governor Rick perry was asked why 75% of black males on death row had been exonerated, most posthumously, if he thought they need to revise their policy, he stated, "no, I'd kill them all over again"
@Violett Fem Not only that, but the stain of suspicion can actually negatively effect a person's life even after they are exonerated. I remember the Atlanta bombing for the Olympics. They suspected the guy who discovered the bomb, and started to clear people out, of being the one to place the bomb, trying to become a hero. The bombing took place in July, and it wasn't until October that he was exonerated. But his life was irrevocably changed, and many people never really paid attention to who was really responsible.
@@CEOGaming82 yet they de escalated the situation. They calmed down the man. The sherriff is the one that youre supposed to be angry with. Those cops did their job and found out that the sherriff was lying and almost got a man hurt. The whole ACAB nonsense doesnt apply, that is bandwagoning and hatred,even when good cops like them do their job properly.
This is why police misconduct needs to be investigated federally, not locally. Too many conflicts of interest when it is investigated by Internal Affairs or by local judges that have prior relationships with the cops or prosecuted by district attorneys who rely on the cops for evidence.
Totally agree. It is just like a woman claiming child abuse when a man tries to get child custody. It happens all the time and her lies have zero consequence so she does it.
Can't help but wonder if the police were so reasonable because they knew just what their Sherriff was like and weren't going to get dragged into his BS
Imagine if the sheriff had his story straight. If he didn’t contradict himself, cedrick would have been arrested and thrown through the system. This is gross
Gross, is an understatement. And it happens every day. And these assholes, who ruin people's lives for amusement, can't even remember a person who they cost money, a job, a relationship, employability, their freedom, their rights, because they don't give a rat's ass about the real life effects of their callous, corrupt, criminal behavior. With impunity.
Caller was a cop who claimed someone threatened his life. Sheriff knew damn well dispatch would prioritize that call and send all available units. And he probably told them "a Black guy is threatening to kill me!"
I hate that shit. It's 100% understandable to get upset when someone makes up some dumb shit and the cops contact. I guess they want you to say "Hey, I get it. He lied but it's ok. I'm not upset"
@@kitten-whisperer and even if they have used that to violate your rights or are trying to bully you because they believed your guilt before they showed up, they still expect you be chill. Like this is my life, my freedom, my future you're messing with and allowing this man to set me up to ha e the government perform violence on me. I would be L I V I D in his shoes. Like cmon. Cops feel unsafe when a single person with a camera stands near ten cops, but ten cops with guns and cuffs and qualified immunity isn't supposed to male you feel threatened. Smh
@JP McQuack "They should cooperate" "side to the story" Kindly bugger all the way off. Your opinion of police is based off of emotion. Mine is empirical evidence and case law. We are not the same.
Troyer has been indicted on two misdemeanor counts: false report and providing a false statement to police. The sheriff will be responsible for his own legal fees after city council voted against paying his legal fees. He also broke several policies for law enforcement. A number of responding officers were officially reprimanded for either not wearing body cams or “forgetting” to turn them on. Troyer pleaded not guilty to the charges. People from pierce county want him removed from office. This is as of the last week of October 2021.
That’s good - exactly what should have happened (although ideally the cops should have immediately arrested him for filing a false report when it became obvious there was no threat and he had lied).
I thought getting upset or emotional couldn't be used against you ? Seems like a great guy who was rightfully mocking his arrest. Should have have been released in 2 minutes. Possibly causing a hard working guy to lose his job.
@Ck Jenks Get out of here. The Pierce County Council directly contradicts you. Their own investigation damns Troyer. Troyer's own statements damn him. How is it politically motivated when his own words are irreconcilable? Here is an excerpt from the investigate report by the Pierce County Council: ------------ Sheriff Troyer told the 911 operator that Mr. Altheimer “threatened to kill me” and “wants to kill me.” These statements were made close in time to when they were allegedly uttered by Mr. Altheimer and when the precise words used would be easiest to recall and repeat by Sheriff Troyer to the 911 dispatcher. Minutes later, however, when interviewed by TPD Officer Lawless, Sheriff Troyer contradicted the statements he made on the 911 call: “I specifically asked 01/Troyer if O2/Altheimer ever made threats toward him or displayed any weapons. 01/Troyer advised O2/Altheimer never threatened him and he did not observe O2/Altheimer with any weapons. 01/Troyer described that when he confronted O2/Altheimer at the listed address it was clear he, “wanted to fight.” ------------ During the call to dispatch: "threatened to kill me" and "wants to kill me" During an interview /minutes later/: "never threatened" Stop defending someone who was clearly breaking the law. Troyer's statements about that night have changed multiple times. He is shamelessly lying and now trying to save his ass because he dug his hole too deep.
That poor guy was only doing his JOB. Way to go Deputy DAWG ! You called out the entire police force in town. Hope you never live that one down back at the station 🤣
If anyone BUT a cop (or other government worker) turned in a false police report, WE would be punished harshly. A cop, on the other hand, just gets a slap on the wrist, if anything.
I have a serious gout attack. I hurts like hell. I was scolded for calling an ambulance because I can't walk to the hospital. I can't even come down the stairs without assistance. I am a firefighter at the same department. If I would do shit like this sheriff I would be out.
And it looks like most of them stayed! They got the guy out of the car and it's clear he doesn't have a weapon so there's no reason 90% can't go back to what they were doing.
I like how he’s being DETAINED and the guy who called in a false report is free to leave…. And you expect him to be calm. There’s like 40 cops for a guy working… WOW
The responding officers talked to the sheriff too. He wasn't free to leave. They were both detained pending the investigation of the alleged threat to murder the sheriff.
Won't happen. Always protect their own. Kind of surprised they didn't kill the black guy. I mean, that pos sherriff was trying his hardest to get him killed.
As a judge, I would question every report this cop ever wrote, and would treat any and all testimony from him as false until proven otherwise. It's called "Credibility," and a proven liar can never have any by default. That's the price of chosing to lie, and that should disqualify someone from being suitable for service automagically.
Abuse of power. I can’t stand cops like this. My dad was a plumber at one point and he went to a clients house who happened to be a police officer. The police officer was upset that his warranty wouldn’t cover the damage because he had someone else try to fix it (standard policy). The police officer searched my fathers name a found an old drug possession charge. He called my dads boss and said “I am a cop and you hire criminals!! I am going to let everyone know that hire criminals!” Nearly got my father fired for just doing his job. Can’t stand officers who abuse their power.
This young man was very fortunate that he came away from that incident with his life. The Sheriff deserves jail time. Not protected jail time-general population jail time.
Jussie Smollett only got 150 days for basically trying to start a race war by staging a hate crime and repeatedly lying to the police. Not sure the ex sheriff needs a year.
Yep but they had to make it look like they were the reasonable ones while asking him why he's upset to furthered provoke him. That way he can possibly snap on them and give them justification to do x, y, and z to him and pin the entire situation on him and not the pos cop
Gotta show that solidarity with a fellow cop! The "thin blue line" includes the bad cops, too, you know. Which is, of course, why people don't trust police.
"so what it looks like is a big case of misunderstanding". Nah, there's no misunderstanding. What it looks like is the drunk sheriff lied and the cops know it and are trying to cover it up.
When the cops bring the Calvary while responding to a call, but minutes later say "this is a big case of misunderstanding", it always means "this looks like a big case of we fucked up"
@@VengefulAngeI yup. In the longer video you can hear them talking to the slurring drunk sheriff and it's clear right away that they know this is some bullshit. Can't give them an A- because from that point on they're clearly in damage control. Only credit I give them is that they didn't show up with all the guns drawn screaming disjointed commands at him.
didnt care, was a "bucket" in the "wrong" area, cops view people in crap cars/cloths/etc, as targets regrardless of race... i know from personal exp on this...
@@Northern_LAD You can watch Sheriff Bob Fletcher every Friday night on UA-cam. He tries to do a second day during the week. His UA-cam channel is call Live on Patrol.
Since the sheriff is elected, a felony conviction is pretty much the only thing that could force him from office. I don't know whether making a misleading 9-1-1 call is a felony.
He's too stupid to realize that this poor guy was just out delivering newspapers, yet somehow he's qualified to be a sheriff. Really makes you think. I hope this guy wins a mountain of cash and never has to think of another newspaper.
No,he is not stupid,he is racist and a cop and have other cops who are on his side and harassin that poor papreboy instead of detain and arrest their colleague. He should pay any setlement,to work for that boy for the rest of his life and every morning when he get to work,to remember that he is working for him.
It's unfortunate that said mountain of cash would ultimately come at the expense of tax-paying citizens while the sheriff would walk away with a slap on the wrist.
I agree. The two need to trade places. The guy delivering newspapers is trustworthy enough, to serve the community as an honest sherriff ... and, the sherriff is barely qualified to deliver newspapers.
The paperboy is out there in the "wee" hours delivering papers ever single day busting his own balls to make a buck. Probably only a buck too. I hope he wins considerable money to help him out. Maybe he can use it to train for a job that doesn't put him in harms way.
Cops arent the brightest to begin with. Additionally they have an ingrained superiority complex. If he had an inch of understanding he would totally be like. Hey, I would be mad as hell too. But he is another idiot with a gun.
@@letsfindout6587 OK that's pretty much a ridiculous statement that doesn't have anything to do with this video. This sheriff was way out of hand. Plain and simple. How does your comment make any sense in this situation? Unless you think all black people hate cops because of rap, little kids smoking weed and shooting gun. Oh and destroying women. That definitely explains this sheriff's behavior and the driver being upset. Country music talks about getting drunk on shine and shooting guns. Is that destructive too?
@@justinwillis78 I am putting a focus on Trash culture. What is trending what Satan the Devil has for you. Turn away repent and believe the gospel of Jesus Christ. Apart from Christ there is no hope
40 OFFICERS??? ARE YOU KIDDING ME? And all it takes is ONE of those officers to "fear for his/her life" and you're dead. Can anyone honestly say they don't think one cop out of 40 is going to be a "bad apple"?
It’s a lot more than that. If it’s was only one out of 40, then there would never be never be any department coverups. It’s much more like 90% bad apples
this is what they mean when they say the police has an overtime mentality. Cops stand around doing nothing most of the time. Hanging around in large groups, often in train stations or other public places where 1/5 of the numbers would do fine. Just a huge waste of resources
The sheriff lied to 911 dispatchers, ADMITTED he lied to 911 dispatchers, and yet nothing ever came of it? Can you please try and explain to me how this is not corruption at its finest?
Oh he will. I have a friend in insurance and one of his clients came in with a $60k car to insure it. Turns out the cops shot at him in his own home. Turns out they got the wrong house. $1.5M pay out
I hope he doesn’t settle, because this is easily a multi million dollar case. That officer straight up lied and the confusion could’ve easily led to him losing his life. Easily!
"There is no body-camera footage of Troyer’s conversation with Lawless because the officer forgot to grab the camera off the charger in his rush to respond." Yeah, sure.
@@jamesdoakes4956 No it would seem you did, 2:38 it is directly implied that 40 officers from various agencies responded in various capacities to the scene
@@jamesdoakes4956 You're the one that's wrong, there was indeed 40+ cops that responded to this "scene" from two locales and that fact was then confirmed by the police departements themselves. The video clearly states it, aswell as reports in local news. Dont know if you were trying hard to lick an hypothetical boot or whatnot, but it's just impossible to with a straight face in this case man, get a grip.
A sheriff calls police because there's a black man driving around his neighborhood in the middle of the night 40+ officer's respond...my neighbor calls police when he sees 2 men trying to break into my shed only to never show up🤷
This hits home, I had a paper route and got stopped many times for “acting suspicious and trust-passing “. I was wearing a bright reflective vest and orange hat too. And they said ooh your acting suspicious in the dark.
He basically SWATted him. He's a LEO, and knows exactly what he was doing, and what could have happen. Murder by cop. This criminal sheriff needs to be prosecuted.
Yeah, I get the feeling that the sheriff wanted the police to roll in and shoot the "suspect" out of hand and then everyone gets their stories straight. Fortunately the Tacoma PD officers didn't do that. I would have given the police an A- at best.
“See how calm we are”? Yeah, it’s easy to be calm when you aren’t the one being surrounded by armed men for doing absolutely nothing besides working. He never should’ve been pulled out of the car the encounter should’ve ended as soon as they confirmed he was just delivering papers. How hard is it to say “we’re sorry, have a good night” and let the guy go about his business? 4 squad cars for someone delivering papers?! Ridiculous
Can’t lie. I’ve pulled over the paper guy at 4am. Saw his papers APOLOGIZED TO HIM and we shook hands and went about our business. The next week my partner attempts to pull him over, I recognize the VD and tag and told him OVER THE RADIO that’s the paper man, leave him be. That’s about as far as this needed to go. Jesus Christ.
Honest question- u seem like an officer that does what's right- if u were called to this scene, how would u have handled it? Serious question, not a smart ass remark. I just wonder how else this could've been handled.
@@shaystern2453 actually, assuming all are bad is part of the problem. Him doing the right thing when others are not is fighting the problem. I pray for u.
UPDATE: Sheriff Troyer was released pending trial on October 31st but that was revoked and he had to post a $100,000 bond because he did not keep his distance from Sedrick Altheimer but instead followed him and flashed his lights. Got aquitted on all charges.
The cops are all like "it's not about race, we just got the call" But who placed the call? And why did they think he was suspicious compared to anyone else driving through the neighborhood?
@@stephaniemedina7017 because there's a difference between an arrest and investigatory detention... Don't call people clowns when you have no idea what you're talking about
Wow 40 responses, what a waste of public resources. The off duty pos needs to be charged with false reporting and the fake threats could've led to bodily harm of the victim .
When I saw the title of the UA-cam video, I was actually expecting to see "little Tommy" being detained. I'd hardly call this guy a "paperboy". He's a paper delivery man. I suppose that would have been too cumbersome as a title for a video.
@@dphotos007 Hey, I delivered papers in the 70s & 80s while riding my bike but, 85% of the time I was acually roller skating. Oh yeah, & I was a paper girl. Lol I knew each & every customer, where they wanted that paper, etc... The best part was the amazing Christmas tips. I started that paper route when I was about 7 yrs old. Nowadays, it's so sad, Nobody can let kids out of their sight so we don't see kids delivering the papers anymore.
@@goldierule1350 Here is Southern California by the 70’s in my area at least the papers were started to be delivered by car. Since the internet home paper deliveries have really dropped in number of houses getting the paper.
So they would believe he ( paperman)is about to kill the Sherrif by sitting in his car when the police approached? I think it was clear to the police that the delivery driver was not going to kill the Sherrif.
@@paunchouspilot6757 telling cops someone is *threatening to end your life with a deadly weapon* is inherently putting their life in danger and I don’t know how you can’t see that
The point of him calling the police is to deal with the black person in his neighborhood. Before bodycameras that deliveryman would have disappeared when the death squads got called in.
@@paunchouspilot6757 SO the paper guy gets out the car starts shouting at the caller runs up to the car as the cops arrive believing the man has a deadly weapon and is attempting to murder the caller. Can see how easily this would go south
"Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law." - Miranda What they fail to mention is that NOTHING you say will be used TO HELP you in a court of law.
"Law" is so loosely used now. Title 18 Section 15 US code 241 and 242 has never been challenged to my knowledge. Hence, how CAN there be courts of "law"? Food for thought 🙃
@@patricktrimble7954 Exactly. You need to explicitly invoke your right to remain silent, and DEMAND (not ask) Assistance of Counsel for your defence (ie, a lawyer).
@@davevanlaren2501 According to the rules of Evidence self serving statements are hearsay and do not fall into any of the hearsay exceptions. Thus, self serving statements are usually not allowed in a court of law. Admission of guilt statements fall under the hearsay exceptions and are admissible.
Update to this case, Sheriff Troyer was almost Detained for failing to uphold the established terms of his anti-harassment order. The sheriff ran into Altheimer outside of the victims fathers house. Which is super scary. This sheriff is really trying to intimidate the guy even now.
Possibly trying to have the paperboy killed so the paper would't be delivered and the people can't read about how criminal their community justice system is.
With heroism being a problem with today's police culture, this guy is lucky he didn't get shot. That Sheriff committed a crime and should be prosecuted to the fullest extent
The moment that badge got put on them it's part of their career. I guarantee you there are more reports that are embellished and lied on then that are actually correct
The problem with that is that making false reports is a form of gambling that is rigged in favour of the accuser. Even if they lose, they will never lose as much as the person they accused would have if found guilty.
This dude was calling out how no one was going to hold the Sheriff accountable within 2 minutes of the engagement. "He's lying, so what do you do about that?"
Said that to me i'd have just left ! No man has the right or authority to order another man to perform a service without compensation. And if i didn't wish to contract i couldn't lawfully be held against my will .
@@thomasspringer5738 then you would've been put in hand cuffs becuase although the paperman was not being arrested he was being detained until the investigation was completed. Don't be a dumbass
Like I was thinking wtf, it would be man to man if he was having a willful conversation not being forced to stand on the side of the road against his will.
They needed to at least attempt to justify the response to a false emergency call by following up on it due to how egregious the alleged offense was and who it was made to.
It is extremely unlikely the sheriff was unable to comprehend what is happening while watching the victim deliver newspapers to every ingle household...
@@MSH786 They didn't have to call the cops. Cops assumed I was a drug buyer because I was in a black area and harassed me. Racist profiling on white people. Now what happens? Should I get a large sum of money?
Sheriff deserves criminal conviction, loss in civil suit, and permanent ban on being a LEO anywhere. This is the kind of behavior we DON'T need from law enforcement. He should be bagging groceries somewhere.
That permanent ban needs to be more common. Some departments, though they are incredibly rare, de-license officers who are fired for gross misconduct. This should be standard practice...
That's kinda an insult to box boys and box girls everywhere. Maybe he should be a ditch digger instead.... Long hours in the wild outdoors with no one around to observe him while he digs those ditches on the sides of highways and picks up trash along the way. Plenty of opportunity to stumble across a psychopathic hitchhiking the highways and byways.
@@Notjobincome Everyone always says that but no one ever considers that pensions are funded through employee contributions that are often not optional.
Guy could have lost his life because of a racist coward of a sheriff, puppeteering the Police department; to carry out his guilty pleasure. It's funny how some criminals are above the law.
dosnt even gotta be racism, prob was, but, dosnt need to be involved, i have delt with shit like this as a white guy when driving a 'bucket' around areas people decided i didnt belong... one was a client who was very upset she found out she was black listed for having me and the owner harassed into leaving the area, we found out because she posted about it on fucking facebook... she was shocked to get the "you are nolonger a customer, please leave a message, we may check it, sometime..." line the owner had setup... it was handy...auto routed calls from numbers on a list to the correct voice mail acct... the rants from some of them, then threats, then pleading, begging, rage... its amusing.. cops view anybody who looks poor, as a target not person... think its training.
So a racist cop falsely accused a black man of threatening his life and well being, and we as a society are just ok with that. The paper boy should be given a A++. Also, if the paper boy would’ve called 911 first and reported a suspicious vehicle following him while he was performing his job, I highly doubt the responding officers would’ve believed the paper boy once they found out that the stalker was a fellow officer.
I think it is ridiculous for cops to be confused why he is so angry and worked up. He is busy working at 2am in the morning probably with a lot more things on his shoulder every day. AND this isn't the first time! I feel so sorry for him. I hop his lawsuit ends well for him.
Yeah but hes attitude makes the job 10x harder for them.. he should know to not yell at cops especially if you’re black… and still didnt care.. of course the neighbors need to go to jail for falsely accusing someone
@@uabforfindingthisbutalr6464 The attitude is more than justified based on the accusations and the entirety of the traffic stop. Cops are trained in de-escalation, this shouldn’t make their jobs much harder if they’re properly trained
His frustration is valid. Listening to the cop in a condescending tone TRYING to trap him to say 'he did threaten' the guy, is gross. Talking to him like he has no right to be upset, and implies he should be grateful he isn't in handcuffs, YET 'detained' from leaving.
Tell me the relationship between the sherriff who falsely reported the paper guy and the officer responding to the scene. Yeah man, he's justified in being a dick to someone unrelated to him and calmly explaining the situation and asking him to not leave while they figure out what's going on. Oh man they're such a threat to his constitutional rights huh.
Eso es precisamente lo quería que ocurriera. Que se desacatars y que lo arrestaran y después le caían con todo lo que pudieran.....pero el paperboy no cayó en la trampa. Bien por él.
"We're just trying to figure out what is going on" is turning into code for "give us a few minutes to figure out how we can make poor judgement by one of our officers appear to be your fault"
Because they are literally trying to figure out what's going on, they don't have a commentator on UA-cam to explain the situation for them. They are going into this thinking that someones life is in danger, there are things to "figure out" here. Try better
@@winterfell9990 There isn't shit to figure out here, the situation is clear as day and the guy they are detaining is rightfully frustrated. The cops spent more time during this interaction harassing the innocent man doing his job than they did questioning their shit head colleague who CALLED THE POLICE IN THE FIRST PLACE
@@megamurg are you incapable of understanding that people don't have the hindsight you have? You have a guy on UA-cam telling you exactly what's happening and your trying to project that the cops should have the knowledge too. You also can't listen properly,the cop said the caller was being spoken with by other cops, you seperate the 2 parties and once it's figured out what happened then they can leave. Seriously, do better
@@winterfell9990 That's wild you say that because the video clear as day shows the off duty sheriff in his truck blocking in the paper boy as he's being questioned and the police even reference that he's moving his truck now that they have arrived but yeah they definitely talked to both parties the same and treated it exactly the same and even spent the same amount of time with each. Keep licking boots you dweeb
As soon as the police realized that this man was delivering newspapers should’ve been allowed to leave. Clearly he was just doing his job. They should’ve walked over to the sheriff and told him he was an idiot.
wrong they had to make sure he did not threaten the cops life...that is why they were called.This paper courier got out and yelled at the cop for following him something we do not see in this video.he could have said anything to the cop to make him want backup.ITS NOT IN THE VIDEO
@@djsi38t you are entitled to your opinion but just so you know I think your wrong. The Sheriff is unfit for office and a danger to the community and officers around him. Why does it matter how he was approached, he admitted he lied which could have resulted in someone dying, and your still pointing the finger at the victim.
@@johnferguson5930 The sheriff certainly did lie and is unfit for office, but the responding officers didn't know that at the time. It was entirely reasonable for them to investigate and speak to both parties to sort out what happened.
@@djsi38t I delivered papers for a long time and got stopped numerous times to be checked out. It never took more than a minute to figure out that I was good. The only reason he was held as long as he was, is they needed to provide cover for their boss.
I used to work as a paperboy (you can hardly call them "boys" anymore, legal framework prohibits minors from working such early hours and all the people I worked with where mostly university students). This dude was stressed the fuck out, you have a timetable to upheld and early hours isn't a nice time to work. Plus I bet he has a day job as well to get to.
I can work at that hour but I can't interact with people bc I'm not properly awake, I'm a cleaner so usually I don't have to. I don't know how I'd go if I was stopped from getting it done and harassed by cops.
the issue with this one is the fact that they pull him over while he is trying to get paid. paper delivery people are paid by production( $.xx per delivery), so they aren't just wasting his time, but they are losing him money in the process. This is the reason he is so annoyed here
He should be more annoyed he did not call 911 himself. That’s his mistake as far as I’m concerned. Compounded by the fact he decided to confront the sheriff at 2am. Had he called 911 himself this would have been a different encounter altogether.
He's calm because he's getting paid a salary w/ benefits, this newspaper guy is getting minimum wage and this police stop is not going to get him paid. Dude just wants to work his job and go home
@@iamwhoiam7887 The Police officer that called it in on his paper boy said he had a weapon. Didn't you watch the video? That is a very serious allegation from a fellow officer. It's ridiculous.
This is the problem with "Qualified Immunity" for police officers. Sounds like a get-out-of-jail card to me. Take "QI" away and see how many false arrests go away. And the police can't understand why people no longer respect the law officers.
“You want me to put you in handcuffs?”-dudes like this should be fired, lose their pension and any union who defends them should be forced to be dissolved. This cowardice has to stopZ
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I so agree, threatening to be placed in handcuffs should only be said when the law has been broken and arrest is imminent. Absolutely a bunch of bs, by a bunch of bs'ers outfitted with guns and a badge and a corporate mentality of defeating the people.
@@oopsakat116 I believe when you DETAIN someone that should only mean they can't leave (and that Detainment should have either a time limit or a resolution). Only if they PERSIST (physically) in leaving should they be threatened to be placed in cuffs. By RESOLUTION I mean that the information requested is obtained or the Officer accepts the fact that the information is not 'forthcoming' and the conversation has become unproductive.
What a bunch of liars… “im talking to you to find out what’s going on” they know what’s going on they just don’t want to admit that the call came from an insecure man who’s also a liar.
@Oblivion in a normal case I might agree with you. The police only have the call to go off of. However you can tell the way the officer is questioning the innocent paper boy that he is attempting to get him to say something that might back his buddy’s claims. I can guarantee you no one was questioning the sheriff, who was lying and the obvious offender in the same manner.
EDIT: My apologies. I learned of the lawsuit after this episode was written. That's why it wasn't included in the episode. Here's a link to the lawsuit for those who are interested: bit.ly/3hPXpI7
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Top channel mate.
Yep huge fans here!
Thanks for your well done work.
I will definitely need your services sooner or later.
I don't agree with your Tacoma police grade. I feel they arrived an although where polite, where more concerned with believing the "black man" was in the wrong and blindly believe the report from the first "officer" on scene.
@@EagleSMK Agreed. Also where is the bodycam footage of them talking to the off duty cop?
False reporting needs to be a much bigger crime
You are not wrong
If you are speaking about Police reporting it is the same as lying under oath. Happens in almost every occasion. Bet your ass if it was you or me lying under oath we would be in jail they don't even get a slap on the wrist
I disagree. Anyone can be incorrect but punishment for being accidentally incorrect will cause people from reporting at all thus making crime rise.
Part of the reason why police unions need to be abolished.
@@secretsquirrel572 if you dont have the correct informatiin you shouldnt call
A cop bringing a false report, against a working man, regardless of his skin color, should be pursued by the law to the letter. They are making the victim, the suspect. These cops shouldn't even be left in charge of guarding a garbage can. They are trying to exonerate the Sheriff on the spot.
its a hate crime nothing less
Against ANY man I wouldn't care even if the guy never worked a day in his life.
Exactly. If we only focus on the race, it stays the focus, these dude's need to be fired and charged.
@IamMike86 lol since when does a racial slur need to be used for a hate crime to be committed? If you commit a crime against someone, because of their race, then it’s a hate crime… lol your logic here is crazy.
This sheriff should certainly lose his job, and maybe even face legal consequences. But I certainly don't believe this was a hate crime. If anyone could provide evidence as to why they believe it was, it would be appreciated.
The cop should be sacked, and every case he ever worked on re-examined. How many times has he lied? This is not going to be the first time.
Doubt it’s only the 100th either
What credibility he has left in court now? What lawyer woludn't start his cross-examination with the words "did you, on January 27 2021,..."
Don't think you can "fire" a sheriff as it's a elected office.
All of them lie all the time.
He was just elected to Sheriff in Nov 2020, prior to that he was the Pierce County Sheriff spokesperson so he doesn’t have any cases to re-examine.
"Do you see how calm I am?"
Yeah, cuz you're not the one being falsely accused and threatened with handcuffs!
my thoughts exactly, most cops nowadays cant put them selves in anyone else shoes because their egos wont let them. Humanity should come first before anything, especially your job doubly so for police, considering law and order is supposed to be based on what is humane.
40 cops for a paper boy. Only for a nlack man in America. Marcus Garvey was right.
our supreme court haz given cops.gastapo status. They are rounding blacks and latins now, you will be next.
That sheriff made a fake 911 call, he should be charged.
Throw him in a predominantly black jail too
🤣🤣🤣🤣 charged yeah that word is foreign to them. They are The Sovereign citizens because of either of us did anything we go to jail we go to jail without even doing anything nowadays
@@brianwilson7624 America does
Don't understand why Sheriff is an elected position. So popularity should determine how well you know and apply the law?
@@brianwilson7624 Did my comment get deleted? Anyways, I said predominately. Implying it's more than 50% or a strong majority of. Don't pull that race card bs
My blood boiled and felt so outraged watching this . Here was a hard working man , trying to earn a living who’s civil rights were violated. This was a dirty stunt that could’ve costed that man his life or jail .
Pretty much the same thing as "swatting"
he needs to control his anger. even if the stop/call was unjustified, there is no reason to freak out like that. he can settle it in a much better way by not acting like a moron.
@@Bonestripper1986 Motor paper routes have been around for decades. It’s not taking a child’s job. This may be a residential area but once outside the neighborhood, it could be very rural. A child isn’t going to walk miles to the next delivery. Nor should they. To be a walking paper route, all recipients of the newspaper must live close together. Like I said, it may look like that here, but it could a rural area once leaving the housing addition. A newspaper carrier could have anywhere from 500 to 2000 customers who need their paper before 6am. It is very hard work. No matter who is doing it. My mother had a motor paper route for years while I was growing up. I know this firsthand. I hope this helps.
Cost, not costed. I do agree with your assessment.
@@TK-tcbk1 My friend's aunt did the same thing after her husband suffered a stroke. And like you said, it's not something you can do on a bicycle. Also, there's no shame in any kind of honest work.
They called 40 officers for a guy delivering newspapers, that’s insane.
Well they did it due to the false report but yeah
An officer said his life was in danger, so yeah, everyone is showing up. Especially when it’s the boss.
His job should be in danger but it probably isn’t
no they called "40 officers" becasue as far as they were aware a life was at risk
He was trying to get this guy merked.
“You guys need to walk him home, follow him home, he needs help, he needs assistance.” 😂😂😂 Favorite part 👏🏼
Hahaha loved this part!
The sheriff needs to be fired. If he's lying about this then everything he does on a daily basis is under scrutiny.
Needs to be charged. Saying something like that could get someone killed.
You can't fire an elected official.
The sherriff swatted another human being and that should be tantamount to making a death threat.
But considering when governor Rick perry was asked why 75% of black males on death row had been exonerated, most posthumously, if he thought they need to revise their policy, he stated, "no, I'd kill them all over again"
@@cousinfester4621tf? yes u can
@@cousinfester4621 They can be fired tho... It's called impeachment.
The minute that the sheriff lied that’s it. He needs to be fired and never be in law enforcement of any type nation wide.
Cops can legally lie to a suspect they are interrogating. But if you lie while being interrogated, it is bad news.q
Fired by who, he's an elected official.
@@stash4945 elected officials can be fired…
@@crissd8283 He was not being interrogating thought was he? The cop made a false report.
worldwide*
If the sheriff lied here I would look into every arrest this officer had and never rely on his testimony in court.
Sadly they continue to lie and worse are believed.
FUwaCOMMIES
Isn't sheriff an elected office?
You are totally right 👍👍👍
@@politereminder6284 Yes.
A false report should be held as more serious. They need to fired that so-called sheriff. He's actually a menace to society.
Don’t overlook the fact that the sheriff was trying to get this man murdered by lying about being threatened.
Such a lowly bitch move but so common of officers and karens
and next thing we shot because we THOUGHT he had a gun,when did it go from protect and serve,,, to beat, maim and kill ,WHEN????
He MOST DEFINITELY WAS! NO doubt about that! He was hoping one of his psycho officers would have pulled the trigger and kill this hard working man.
@@artsawyer9001 yeah, when it is a b man.
💯
I love when cops don’t understand why people are mad for being harassed for no reason and then act like they’re hostile.
They purposely use psychological tactics to Distress people so they can make up a case. My grandpa left law enforcement because of the dishonesty
This!!!
I think in this situation that the officer is attempting to de-escalate with limited training.
Yeah seriously it's like you can't ever win with them ...
Why is he hostle against the cop tho.
That sheriff could have gotten that innocent man shot. And they wonder why the guy is upset.
They don't see him as a human being, so they couldn't care less about his life.
@Violett Fem Not only that, but the stain of suspicion can actually negatively effect a person's life even after they are exonerated. I remember the Atlanta bombing for the Olympics. They suspected the guy who discovered the bomb, and started to clear people out, of being the one to place the bomb, trying to become a hero. The bombing took place in July, and it wasn't until October that he was exonerated. But his life was irrevocably changed, and many people never really paid attention to who was really responsible.
A life is at risk. 40 cops surrounding a guy on a paper route!!!!! No one was killed. ***That’s just a fortunate outcome***
Thats the part. Weaponizing 911. He told the police the man threatened to kill him for fucks sake!
@@CEOGaming82 yet they de escalated the situation. They calmed down the man. The sherriff is the one that youre supposed to be angry with. Those cops did their job and found out that the sherriff was lying and almost got a man hurt. The whole ACAB nonsense doesnt apply, that is bandwagoning and hatred,even when good cops like them do their job properly.
Sheriff charged but found not guilty on all charges. What a joke.
This is why police misconduct needs to be investigated federally, not locally. Too many conflicts of interest when it is investigated by Internal Affairs or by local judges that have prior relationships with the cops or prosecuted by district attorneys who rely on the cops for evidence.
Before people judge him for being irate, try having 40 cops roll up on you and remain calm.
Again.💀
Still, staying calm is the best way to go
100%
@@reneiscool22 Agreed. It's just such an unusual situation that is easier said than done.
Being irate only escalates the bully mentality of the pigs. Hit 'em where it hurts, and humiliate them in court and public media..
This is *not* a case of a "misunderstanding." The sheriff knew exactly what he was doing.
Totally agree. It is just like a woman claiming child abuse when a man tries to get child custody. It happens all the time and her lies have zero consequence so she does it.
They are so used to harassing people it is just normal for them.
Can't help but wonder if the police were so reasonable because they knew just what their Sherriff was like and weren't going to get dragged into his BS
@@cooldog60 facts
@@SPACEMAN70000 Yep!
Imagine if the sheriff had his story straight. If he didn’t contradict himself, cedrick would have been arrested and thrown through the system. This is gross
Hey Garret S...that cop used the 911system to have him shot or killed deliberately.
The sheriff is lucky its only $5000000
Gross, is an understatement.
And it happens every day. And these assholes, who ruin people's lives for amusement, can't even remember a person who they cost money, a job, a relationship, employability, their freedom, their rights, because they don't give a rat's ass about the real life effects of their callous, corrupt, criminal behavior. With impunity.
What happened to the $5,000,000 lawsuit from the thumbnail?
@@daBEAGLE1017 There was no $5million, it was clickbait. This guy does that in EVERY VIDEO
FORTY cops?!?!? Jesus 😳 That is absolutely ridiculous.
Caller was a cop who claimed someone threatened his life. Sheriff knew damn well dispatch would prioritize that call and send all available units. And he probably told them "a Black guy is threatening to kill me!"
I hope the sheriff never received his paper…
And tells me that there are to many bloody cops for that jurisdiction!
@fdm2155 I doubt the sheriff could even tell he was black unless he ran the plates & got a rap report back or some sort of profile.
I love how cops act like false accusations don't warrant being annoyed. Tyrant.
I hate that shit. It's 100% understandable to get upset when someone makes up some dumb shit and the cops contact. I guess they want you to say
"Hey, I get it. He lied but it's ok. I'm not upset"
@@kitten-whisperer and even if they have used that to violate your rights or are trying to bully you because they believed your guilt before they showed up, they still expect you be chill. Like this is my life, my freedom, my future you're messing with and allowing this man to set me up to ha e the government perform violence on me. I would be L I V I D in his shoes. Like cmon.
Cops feel unsafe when a single person with a camera stands near ten cops, but ten cops with guns and cuffs and qualified immunity isn't supposed to male you feel threatened. Smh
@@ksbans1 calm down Russian boi lol.
@@meilyn22 😢😭😟
@JP McQuack "They should cooperate" "side to the story"
Kindly bugger all the way off.
Your opinion of police is based off of emotion. Mine is empirical evidence and case law. We are not the same.
The SHERIFF needs to lose his job for LIEING to the police !!!! WE ALL WOULD BE CHARGED!!!!!
This shows what would happen in a case he is running
“Lieing”
L Y I N G
Lying!
@@thomasspringer5738 LYEING
Troyer has been indicted on two misdemeanor counts: false report and providing a false statement to police. The sheriff will be responsible for his own legal fees after city council voted against paying his legal fees. He also broke several policies for law enforcement. A number of responding officers were officially reprimanded for either not wearing body cams or “forgetting” to turn them on. Troyer pleaded not guilty to the charges. People from pierce county want him removed from office. This is as of the last week of October 2021.
That’s good - exactly what should have happened (although ideally the cops should have immediately arrested him for filing a false report when it became obvious there was no threat and he had lied).
thanks for the follow up!
I thought getting upset or emotional couldn't be used against you ? Seems like a great guy who was rightfully mocking his arrest. Should have have been released in 2 minutes. Possibly causing a hard working guy to lose his job.
Thanks for the update/info 👍
@Ck Jenks Get out of here. The Pierce County Council directly contradicts you. Their own investigation damns Troyer. Troyer's own statements damn him. How is it politically motivated when his own words are irreconcilable? Here is an excerpt from the investigate report by the Pierce County Council:
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Sheriff Troyer told the 911 operator that Mr. Altheimer “threatened to kill me” and “wants to kill me.” These statements were made close in time to when they were allegedly uttered by Mr. Altheimer and when the precise words used would be easiest to recall and repeat by Sheriff Troyer to the 911 dispatcher. Minutes later, however, when interviewed by TPD Officer Lawless, Sheriff Troyer contradicted the statements he made on the 911 call:
“I specifically asked 01/Troyer if O2/Altheimer ever made threats toward him or displayed any weapons. 01/Troyer advised O2/Altheimer never threatened him and he did not observe O2/Altheimer with any weapons. 01/Troyer described that when he confronted O2/Altheimer at the listed address it was clear he, “wanted to fight.”
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During the call to dispatch: "threatened to kill me" and "wants to kill me"
During an interview /minutes later/: "never threatened"
Stop defending someone who was clearly breaking the law. Troyer's statements about that night have changed multiple times. He is shamelessly lying and now trying to save his ass because he dug his hole too deep.
That poor guy was only doing his JOB. Way to go Deputy DAWG ! You called out the entire police force in town. Hope you never live that one down back at the station 🤣
If anyone BUT a cop (or other government worker) turned in a false police report, WE would be punished harshly. A cop, on the other hand, just gets a slap on the wrist, if anything.
I have a serious gout attack. I hurts like hell. I was scolded for calling an ambulance because I can't walk to the hospital. I can't even come down the stairs without assistance.
I am a firefighter at the same department. If I would do shit like this sheriff I would be out.
@@goofyrulez7914 Ex-Cop was probably privately congratulated by some neighbors for making the guy feel unwelcome in the neighborhood.
And it looks like most of them stayed! They got the guy out of the car and it's clear he doesn't have a weapon so there's no reason 90% can't go back to what they were doing.
@@miconis123 - cops are thieves... at the very least, they steal our time.
I like how he’s being DETAINED and the guy who called in a false report is free to leave…. And you expect him to be calm. There’s like 40 cops for a guy working… WOW
@@idrizzyt7524
The video reports that over 40 officers show up, high(est) priority.
@@idrizzyt7524 bro looking at the video is where ur wrong LOL go do some research before speaking pls 😂
The responding officers talked to the sheriff too. He wasn't free to leave. They were both detained pending the investigation of the alleged threat to murder the sheriff.
@@idrizzyt7524 dude I think you got owned 🤣
@@idrizzyt7524 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
Sherriff's decision to lie on a innocent man shows a" Dangerous" character flaw.
It shows true USA. Be real and call it what it is
true USA? GFYS
but this mostly happens only in the USA
@@Syhntax because the US is mostly corrupt? laughable child.
@@seanroark6121 corrupt from the top down
That cop needs to be thrown off the force and prosecuted.
Bit hard as he is in a voted role
Won't happen. Always protect their own. Kind of surprised they didn't kill the black guy. I mean, that pos sherriff was trying his hardest to get him killed.
If he was fired could just move county and or another state an still get the same job.
As a judge, I would question every report this cop ever wrote, and would treat any and all testimony from him as false until proven otherwise. It's called "Credibility," and a proven liar can never have any by default. That's the price of chosing to lie, and that should disqualify someone from being suitable for service automagically.
He is a sheriff voted in by the people
If you dont want somebody to drive up to your house with a newspaper, then dont order a fucking newspaper.
That Sheriff really should go to prison for at least a year. He purposefully drew in a response that could have gotten a totally innocent man killed.
Making false claims in a 911 call has gotten innocent people shot on sight. This was attempted murder by cop
Abuse of power. I can’t stand cops like this. My dad was a plumber at one point and he went to a clients house who happened to be a police officer. The police officer was upset that his warranty wouldn’t cover the damage because he had someone else try to fix it (standard policy). The police officer searched my fathers name a found an old drug possession charge. He called my dads boss and said “I am a cop and you hire criminals!! I am going to let everyone know that hire criminals!” Nearly got my father fired for just doing his job. Can’t stand officers who abuse their power.
This young man was very fortunate that he came away from that incident with his life. The Sheriff deserves jail time. Not protected jail time-general population jail time.
Jussie Smollett only got 150 days for basically trying to start a race war by staging a hate crime and repeatedly lying to the police. Not sure the ex sheriff needs a year.
Not only that, it's possible that one of those 40 officers could have missed saving someone else's life on another call.
That whole situation makes no sense, they should have sent the paper guy on his way, with an apology immediately.
Yep but they had to make it look like they were the reasonable ones while asking him why he's upset to furthered provoke him. That way he can possibly snap on them and give them justification to do x, y, and z to him and pin the entire situation on him and not the pos cop
No, they should have taken his statement to support the arrest and subsequent prosecution of the sheriff!
@@ytho95 Exactly!!
@@ytho95 precisely!!
Gotta show that solidarity with a fellow cop! The "thin blue line" includes the bad cops, too, you know.
Which is, of course, why people don't trust police.
The sheriff was just trying to give this man 5 million dollars, so he doesn't have to deliver papers anymore... That's all...
He has a heart of gold..💛💛💛
😂
He was trying to put him 6 feet under
Not funny shit for brains they could've killed an innocent man for the dumbass sheriff's malicious 911 call
@@uzumakihinataAOH you’re right, it’s not funny. It’s hilarious 😂
Acquitted of all charges, corrupt system
"so what it looks like is a big case of misunderstanding". Nah, there's no misunderstanding. What it looks like is the drunk sheriff lied and the cops know it and are trying to cover it up.
When the cops bring the Calvary while responding to a call, but minutes later say "this is a big case of misunderstanding", it always means "this looks like a big case of we fucked up"
@@VengefulAngeI yup. In the longer video you can hear them talking to the slurring drunk sheriff and it's clear right away that they know this is some bullshit. Can't give them an A- because from that point on they're clearly in damage control. Only credit I give them is that they didn't show up with all the guns drawn screaming disjointed commands at him.
Exactly. The fact that they're willing to bend over backwards for each other is why I hate them. They're a street gang with immunity.
The sheriff had been out drinking . I find it hard to believe the officers didn't smell the alcohol on him . That's why they let the guy go 💥💥
Yep.
Really?? That's what the sheriff was doing??
@@raymondmejias8071 - Yes! because ol' Bubbasmith knows everything!
@@BigWallyFilms youd be surprised how many cops are impaired without knowledge
@@BigWallyFilms actually, Troyer has a history of hiding his patrol car and getting smashed at the bar.
There's no way a sheriff followed this guy without knowing that he was delivering papers.
Ikr! Certified jackass fr
hear hear!
natural police
didnt care, was a "bucket" in the "wrong" area, cops view people in crap cars/cloths/etc, as targets regrardless of race... i know from personal exp on this...
He must have seen the papers being thrown through the window 🤔🤔
40 officers. Do you know who pays for all that taxpayers. What a waste of money
Fukin police state bs
Sad to see that such liars are sheriffs. Most disturbing and disgusting.
Cameras are slowly changing that....
@@Al-Gore-ithm we need live streaming ones that go straight to a public site that people get paid to monitor
@@Northern_LAD and to add to that it should be illegal for cops to turn body cameras off and also unlawful to redact FOIA requests.
@@Northern_LAD You can watch Sheriff Bob Fletcher every Friday night on UA-cam. He tries to do a second day during the week. His UA-cam channel is call Live on Patrol.
@@thomasj3701 damn for real? Thanks man I’ll check that out 👊🏼
Troyer lied on the 911 call big time. He needs to be prosecuted and to lose his position. He sounded paranoid and mentally unstable in the 911 call.
The narrator pointed out that the individual could be targeted for civil action. He ABSO-FREAKIN-LUTELY should be sued by the victim.
Drunk, maybe?
Since the sheriff is elected, a felony conviction is pretty much the only thing that could force him from office. I don't know whether making a misleading 9-1-1 call is a felony.
I bet he was intoxicated?&their good'ol boy's in WA,the thin blue line thug's protect each other.
Prob drunk
He's too stupid to realize that this poor guy was just out delivering newspapers, yet somehow he's qualified to be a sheriff. Really makes you think. I hope this guy wins a mountain of cash and never has to think of another newspaper.
No,he is not stupid,he is racist and a cop and have other cops who are on his side and harassin that poor papreboy instead of detain and arrest their colleague.
He should pay any setlement,to work for that boy for the rest of his life and every morning when he get to work,to remember that he is working for him.
It's unfortunate that said mountain of cash would ultimately come at the expense of tax-paying citizens while the sheriff would walk away with a slap on the wrist.
@@alexallex7722 Man, Washington is the real Dixie Land. Honest. Racists everywhere
He's in his own neighborhood and likely has seen the man before. Maybe he thinks dude was boning his wife or something
Take him being Sheriff up with the community he was supposed to serve because they are an elected official.
The gall of the cop asking “do you see how calm I am?” Seriously? Armed with a gun, taser, god knows what else, and 39 other gangsters’ weapons.
Sheriff can't deduce that he was doing a paper route, the sheriff needs to be fired, he's inept.
I agree.
The two need to trade places.
The guy delivering newspapers is trustworthy enough, to serve the community as an honest sherriff ...
and, the sherriff is barely qualified to deliver newspapers.
Its going be hard. It will have to be up to the courts to make that call. Depending on the severity of the charges.
@@markspencer9743 hey I don’t trust that cop not to steal a package off my porch or launch a paper through a window
I love how they always try to act like the guy mad about being harassed and intimidated is being unreasonable.
"Look at me. You see how calm I am?" Yeah youre not being harrased you dumbass haha
He is trying to get the guy to say something that will justify the sheriffs actions so he won't be accused of racial profiling
Exactly
@@diyonisis7790
Yeah, everyone is out to get you.
@@Psyrecx not everybody just the ones that don't like you because of what you are and not who you are
He's got a valid lawsuit. Hopefully he does sue.
Valid? Yes. He may have trouble winning it, though, based on how cops are allowed to lie through their teeth.
Hopefully he WINS it
The paperboy is out there in the "wee" hours delivering papers ever single day busting his own balls to make a buck. Probably only a buck too. I hope he wins considerable money to help him out. Maybe he can use it to train for a job that doesn't put him in harms way.
He did sue
@@taitheguy85 source? Link?
They need to fire him immediately, this is ridiculous behavior.
Cop: look how calm I'm speaking...
Paperworker: you got 40 cops surrounded me.
ing*
Cops arent the brightest to begin with. Additionally they have an ingrained superiority complex. If he had an inch of understanding he would totally be like. Hey, I would be mad as hell too. But he is another idiot with a gun.
Paper BOY???
@@bettywashington6956 "Paperworker"
@@bettywashington6956 Paper Man
The fact the cop was trying to explain away the sheriff's actions speaks volumes. Says so much about the culture of police.
Was the sheriff sober? Was he DUI?
Culture of trash rap music is destroying women and making little kids smoke weed and shoot guns. Trash Culture
@@letsfindout6587 OK that's pretty much a ridiculous statement that doesn't have anything to do with this video. This sheriff was way out of hand. Plain and simple. How does your comment make any sense in this situation? Unless you think all black people hate cops because of rap, little kids smoking weed and shooting gun. Oh and destroying women. That definitely explains this sheriff's behavior and the driver being upset.
Country music talks about getting drunk on shine and shooting guns. Is that destructive too?
@@letsfindout6587 - you got it all figured out, huh? I'm surprised you didn't mention video games, junk food and rock n roll 🤣
@@justinwillis78 I am putting a focus on Trash culture. What is trending what Satan the Devil has for you. Turn away repent and believe the gospel of Jesus Christ. Apart from Christ there is no hope
40 OFFICERS??? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
And all it takes is ONE of those officers to "fear for his/her life" and you're dead.
Can anyone honestly say they don't think one cop out of 40 is going to be a "bad apple"?
1 in 40 being good is more likely.
It’s a lot more than that. If it’s was only one out of 40, then there would never be never be any department coverups. It’s much more like 90% bad apples
He should have given all these cops a news paper to deliver put them to good use
The only way cops know how to react is OVER-react.
this is what they mean when they say the police has an overtime mentality. Cops stand around doing nothing most of the time. Hanging around in large groups, often in train stations or other public places where 1/5 of the numbers would do fine. Just a huge waste of resources
The sheriff lied to 911 dispatchers, ADMITTED he lied to 911 dispatchers, and yet nothing ever came of it?
Can you please try and explain to me how this is not corruption at its finest?
I felt his frustration in my soul. I hope he gets paid.
Oh he will. I have a friend in insurance and one of his clients came in with a $60k car to insure it. Turns out the cops shot at him in his own home. Turns out they got the wrong house. $1.5M pay out
5m dollar lawsuit
I hope he doesn’t settle, because this is easily a multi million dollar case. That officer straight up lied and the confusion could’ve easily led to him losing his life. Easily!
@@DrakeDaraitis and who is paying for it?
@Kevin B 5 million. Take off legal costs, jury gives a lower amount, any appeals, and whatnot... maybe a million.
"There is no body-camera footage of Troyer’s conversation with Lawless because the officer forgot to grab the camera off the charger in his rush to respond." Yeah, sure.
More like he was coming home from the bar drunk
Same with the other 30+ officers. ATA said 40 officers were responding. Good to know only one was working I feel safe.
@@goodcitizen6190 did you mishear that? There’s not even 40 officers on 1 shift
@@jamesdoakes4956 No it would seem you did, 2:38 it is directly implied that 40 officers from various agencies responded in various capacities to the scene
@@jamesdoakes4956 You're the one that's wrong, there was indeed 40+ cops that responded to this "scene" from two locales and that fact was then confirmed by the police departements themselves. The video clearly states it, aswell as reports in local news.
Dont know if you were trying hard to lick an hypothetical boot or whatnot, but it's just impossible to with a straight face in this case man, get a grip.
A sheriff calls police because there's a black man driving around his neighborhood in the middle of the night 40+ officer's respond...my neighbor calls police when he sees 2 men trying to break into my shed only to never show up🤷
You don't have the special number. Remember, there is them and us and we ain't in their club.
He lied about there being a cop in danger
All cops deserve a bullet
@David Bowie now where have I heard that name before 😁
@@Tridd666 whoa most police are good up stand men and women doing a very hard and dangerous job. DON'T EVER FORGET THAT!!!!!!!!!
@@Tridd666 Disgusting
This hits home, I had a paper route and got stopped many times for “acting suspicious and trust-passing “. I was wearing a bright reflective vest and orange hat too. And they said ooh your acting suspicious in the dark.
He basically SWATted him. He's a LEO, and knows exactly what he was doing, and what could have happen. Murder by cop. This criminal sheriff needs to be prosecuted.
Yeah, I get the feeling that the sheriff wanted the police to roll in and shoot the "suspect" out of hand and then everyone gets their stories straight. Fortunately the Tacoma PD officers didn't do that. I would have given the police an A- at best.
I think the guy is actually a Sagittarius ♐️
@@ProffesorChaosesFile 🙄
“See how calm we are”?
Yeah, it’s easy to be calm when you aren’t the one being surrounded by armed men for doing absolutely nothing besides working. He never should’ve been pulled out of the car the encounter should’ve ended as soon as they confirmed he was just delivering papers. How hard is it to say “we’re sorry, have a good night” and let the guy go about his business? 4 squad cars for someone delivering papers?! Ridiculous
Gotta suck your superiors sack by needing with that man. So he wasn't able to go. Sad really.
100th like
If there is a report of someone threatening to kill someone, You have to investigate.
That would have hurt their little snowflake egos. Can't have that.
they need to find a crime to excuse the false report
Can’t lie. I’ve pulled over the paper guy at 4am. Saw his papers APOLOGIZED TO HIM and we shook hands and went about our business. The next week my partner attempts to pull him over, I recognize the VD and tag and told him OVER THE RADIO that’s the paper man, leave him be. That’s about as far as this needed to go. Jesus Christ.
your part of the problem too
Fuck the commenter above me.
Thanks for protecting and serving.
@@shaystern2453 How?
Honest question- u seem like an officer that does what's right- if u were called to this scene, how would u have handled it? Serious question, not a smart ass remark. I just wonder how else this could've been handled.
@@shaystern2453 actually, assuming all are bad is part of the problem. Him doing the right thing when others are not is fighting the problem. I pray for u.
UPDATE: Sheriff Troyer was released pending trial on October 31st but that was revoked and he had to post a $100,000 bond because he did not keep his distance from Sedrick Altheimer but instead followed him and flashed his lights. Got aquitted on all charges.
I would be upset if I was trying to do my job and people were hindering me from doing so.
people with GUNS
If you tried that with a cop you would be charged with the crimes of "obstruction" and/or "hindering."
Rite
Too bad obstruction charges can't be filed. "Give 'em a badge and a gun and they believe they are God "
The cops are all like "it's not about race, we just got the call"
But who placed the call? And why did they think he was suspicious compared to anyone else driving through the neighborhood?
Perhaps the most troubling fact of this encounter is that Troyer said he'd do it again.
Well maybe that next traffic stop or domestic run will catch up with him.
Racists don’t care this is nothing to them if the law allowed it they do far worse biggest cowards
"We racially profiled you, but it's just a misunderstanding" LOL
The only one who racially profiled was the Sherrif, as far as I saw all the other cops were cool and understanding
@@winterfell9990 the fuck they were. If they were being chill they would have handled this quicker. They r behind their sheriff all the way
Then why was he still detained even though he wasn’t arrested and was told hat happened? Clown
Some [insert your text here] just desperately try to Manufacture Consent. You can only be intimidated if you give your consent. Stay free, p. R 🍻 😎
@@stephaniemedina7017 because there's a difference between an arrest and investigatory detention... Don't call people clowns when you have no idea what you're talking about
Wow 40 responses, what a waste of public resources. The off duty pos needs to be charged with false reporting and the fake threats could've led to bodily harm of the victim .
Only thing that needs sorting out is taking the sheriff to jail
The “sheriff” thought little Tommy delivered his paper on a bicycle each morning.
When I saw the title of the UA-cam video, I was actually expecting to see "little Tommy" being detained. I'd hardly call this guy a "paperboy". He's a paper delivery man. I suppose that would have been too cumbersome as a title for a video.
Last time a saw a paper boy riding a bicycle delivering papers was in the 1960’s. This Sheriff is a racist man. Period.
@@dphotos007 Hey, I delivered papers in the 70s & 80s while riding my bike but, 85% of the time I was acually roller skating. Oh yeah, & I was a paper girl. Lol I knew each & every customer, where they wanted that paper, etc... The best part was the amazing Christmas tips. I started that paper route when I was about
7 yrs old. Nowadays, it's so sad, Nobody can let kids out of their sight so we don't see kids delivering the papers anymore.
@@goldierule1350 Here is Southern California by the 70’s in my area at least the papers were started to be delivered by car. Since the internet home paper deliveries have really dropped in number of houses getting the paper.
Sheriffs idea of the american dream crumbled that night
The sheriff actually put his life in jeopardy...if they had arrived believing he was about to kill the sheriff he could have been shot on the spot
Great point and so very true!
So they would believe he ( paperman)is about to kill the Sherrif by sitting in his car when the police approached? I think it was clear to the police that the delivery driver was not going to kill the Sherrif.
@@paunchouspilot6757 telling cops someone is *threatening to end your life with a deadly weapon* is inherently putting their life in danger and I don’t know how you can’t see that
The point of him calling the police is to deal with the black person in his neighborhood. Before bodycameras that deliveryman would have disappeared when the death squads got called in.
@@paunchouspilot6757 SO the paper guy gets out the car starts shouting at the caller runs up to the car as the cops arrive believing the man has a deadly weapon and is attempting to murder the caller. Can see how easily this would go south
That sheriff disrupted an entire neighborhood...because a man was delivering papers
"Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law."
- Miranda
What they fail to mention is that NOTHING you say will be used TO HELP you in a court of law.
"Law" is so loosely used now. Title 18 Section 15 US code 241 and 242 has never been challenged to my knowledge. Hence, how CAN there be courts of "law"? Food for thought 🙃
ofc it does, giving a reasonable explanation of your actions is sometimes to your benefit, as this channel has explained many times before
also that remaining silent without explicitly saying you are exercising your right to remain silent, can be construed in court as guilt.
@@patricktrimble7954 Exactly. You need to explicitly invoke your right to remain silent, and DEMAND (not ask) Assistance of Counsel for your defence (ie, a lawyer).
@@davevanlaren2501 According to the rules of Evidence self serving statements are hearsay and do not fall into any of the hearsay exceptions. Thus, self serving statements are usually not allowed in a court of law. Admission of guilt statements fall under the hearsay exceptions and are admissible.
Update to this case, Sheriff Troyer was almost Detained for failing to uphold the established terms of his anti-harassment order. The sheriff ran into Altheimer outside of the victims fathers house. Which is super scary. This sheriff is really trying to intimidate the guy even now.
This makes me even more mad. He has the right to be a human being without being harassed. Dude is a POS.
cool - police immunity is definitely gone, and this little stunt probably adds $100k to the settlement!
“Almost”- unbelievable. He needs to be locked up!
@@kingwoodguyatgmail Unfortunately, Troyer has since been found not guilty of the charges against him by a jury.
@@alexanderbrown8921 you’re KIDDING
That sheriff knew exactly what he was doing when he called in stating that his life was being threatened
Yip! Exercising his police power to stroke his ego.
Possibly trying to have the paperboy killed so the paper would't be delivered and the people can't read about how criminal their community justice system is.
He was trying to have him killed
Bad cops and then the good ones are going to be the same. No respect for cops anymore...
Attempted murder by cop.
The paper guy did sue and received a $500,015 settlement from Pierce county...but Troyer was cleared of all charges.
With heroism being a problem with today's police culture, this guy is lucky he didn't get shot. That Sheriff committed a crime and should be prosecuted to the fullest extent
It makes you wonder how many other times have the sheriff “embellished” on reports 🤔
Just about every arrest report he ever made since he became a cop…
I'm just a little curious why he was off duty and up and ready to follow someone at 2 in the morning.. I feel like he was drunk
The moment that badge got put on them it's part of their career. I guarantee you there are more reports that are embellished and lied on then that are actually correct
@@africacarey agreed
@@stephengrigg5988 He most likely was or at least on his way home from the bar but also, he's THE Sheriff, not just some deputy.
This is practically a textbook case of "SWAT-ting" by the sheriff. It is extremely fortunate that this didn't turn into a deadly confrontation.
Sheriff MUST be removed from office. And prosecuted.
First thing I thought...
Absolutely.
@@cliffordross7997 I believe it was definitely racially motivated. I've seen how people of color are treated differently even in my small town.
100 percent, only thing it would have took is one of the officer's to shot this man for no reason.
When FORTY cops show up for something, that will tell you how too many extra cops they have on duty
"This is not a man to man conversation". Facts, it's a cop and a civilian interaction. God, I love this guy. He's got a way with words.
It is a CIVILIAN to CIVILIAN conversation. Cops are not military. Period. They are civilians.
fr, in the previous breath the same cop threatened to illegally put him in cuffs, how is that a man to man conversation.
💯👍
When the paper carrier asked if he could leave and the cop said no, it certainly was not a "man to man" coversation.
@@dxb338 he wasn´t a threat nor illegal.
I almost choked on my cereal laughing when he said FORTY officers. America is in the mud
They show out in force to protect their own gang
It's been in the mud since the germans and skkandanavians and french showed up.
@@Dev-In-Denver123 oh right, a specific race is to blame for the corruption in the police force
@@Dev-In-Denver123 lol your ultra ultra old school American racism is refreshing. Damn Mickey's and Whops man.
@@Dev-In-Denver123 3-2-1……and it’s about race!
Wow! Is it possible the sheriff is insane? Perhaps medicated? Oh no! It’s always about race! Smh
Omg can we just have the people who makes false report have a huge fine and jail them as well
Thats not going to be convenient for the government since division among us is their priority to keep that grip on us.
There is the CAREN (Caution Against Racially Exploitative Non-Emergencies) Act.
The problem with that is that making false reports is a form of gambling that is rigged in favour of the accuser.
Even if they lose, they will never lose as much as the person they accused would have if found guilty.
Automatic YEAR in prison. Would stop false charges REAL FAST.
This dude was calling out how no one was going to hold the Sheriff accountable within 2 minutes of the engagement. "He's lying, so what do you do about that?"
Cop: "I'm just trying to have a man-to-man conversation"
Reality: "I got my gang here and we're going to talk."
just a man-to-40-men-with-guns conversation, just friendly neighborhood cop things :)) like chill out bro we're basically brothers
@@AccuserOfTheBrethryn not really. Still man to man.
Said that to me i'd have just left ! No man has the right or authority to order another man to perform a service without compensation. And if i didn't wish to contract i couldn't lawfully be held against my will .
@@thomasspringer5738 then you would've been put in hand cuffs becuase although the paperman was not being arrested he was being detained until the investigation was completed.
Don't be a dumbass
Like I was thinking wtf, it would be man to man if he was having a willful conversation not being forced to stand on the side of the road against his will.
"We need to figure out what's going on." How many times have I heard that excuse for fishing?
Yup..we can see this is all a misunderstanding but we are going to run you through the system anyway..we might get lucky and find a warrant on you.
Every video you've viewed on this channel, at least.
Trying to figure out what? They determined he wasn’t doing anything wrong, but continued the harassment.
They needed to at least attempt to justify the response to a false emergency call by following up on it due to how egregious the alleged offense was and who it was made to.
Trying to figure out if there's any possible way to arrest the innocent victim.
@@singaporesammy okay calm down. These officers were just doing their job, they didn’t know the sheriff had lied.
It is extremely unlikely the sheriff was unable to comprehend what is happening while watching the victim deliver newspapers to every ingle household...
my mans literally told that he's being investigated for delivering newspapers.
Hello are you a private investigator? i need to you to investigate my privates
Qualified Immunity + Terry v. Ohio, 392 U.S. (1968) = Totalitarian Tyranny
@J B I was harassed being white in a black neighborhood. We are all not special snowflakes people. Everyone has to deal with shit.
@@83442handle, but did you ever have someone call the cops on you and then get harassed by cops for being a white guy in a black neighborhood?
@@MSH786 They didn't have to call the cops. Cops assumed I was a drug buyer because I was in a black area and harassed me. Racist profiling on white people. Now what happens? Should I get a large sum of money?
Sheriff deserves criminal conviction, loss in civil suit, and permanent ban on being a LEO anywhere. This is the kind of behavior we DON'T need from law enforcement. He should be bagging groceries somewhere.
That permanent ban needs to be more common. Some departments, though they are incredibly rare, de-license officers who are fired for gross misconduct.
This should be standard practice...
I don’t want this dumbass bagging my groceries.
That's kinda an insult to box boys and box girls everywhere. Maybe he should be a ditch digger instead....
Long hours in the wild outdoors with no one around to observe him while he digs those ditches on the sides of highways and picks up trash along the way. Plenty of opportunity to stumble across a psychopathic hitchhiking the highways and byways.
@@Notjobincome Everyone always says that but no one ever considers that pensions are funded through employee contributions that are often not optional.
Unfortunately the Blue Lodge will move the sheriff to another county or state with a raise and massive pension paid by the public.
Guy could have lost his life because of a racist coward of a sheriff, puppeteering the Police department; to carry out his guilty pleasure.
It's funny how some criminals are above the law.
All facts
dosnt even gotta be racism, prob was, but, dosnt need to be involved, i have delt with shit like this as a white guy when driving a 'bucket' around areas people decided i didnt belong... one was a client who was very upset she found out she was black listed for having me and the owner harassed into leaving the area, we found out because she posted about it on fucking facebook... she was shocked to get the "you are nolonger a customer, please leave a message, we may check it, sometime..." line the owner had setup... it was handy...auto routed calls from numbers on a list to the correct voice mail acct... the rants from some of them, then threats, then pleading, begging, rage... its amusing..
cops view anybody who looks poor, as a target not person... think its training.
How do you know the guy is a racist if you've never met him? Are you a mind reader or?
@@sega_saturn4life590 maybe try looking at the situation???
So a racist cop falsely accused a black man of threatening his life and well being, and we as a society are just ok with that. The paper boy should be given a A++. Also, if the paper boy would’ve called 911 first and reported a suspicious vehicle following him while he was performing his job, I highly doubt the responding officers would’ve believed the paper boy once they found out that the stalker was a fellow officer.
Maybe he wasn't a racist- perhaps he was just an asshole. That kind of thing does happen to white people, too ya know. I've had it happen to me.
No Jussie Smollett, we don’t know if the cop is racist. We do know he is a lying asshole.
I think it is ridiculous for cops to be confused why he is so angry and worked up. He is busy working at 2am in the morning probably with a lot more things on his shoulder every day. AND this isn't the first time! I feel so sorry for him. I hop his lawsuit ends well for him.
Yeah but hes attitude makes the job 10x harder for them.. he should know to not yell at cops especially if you’re black… and still didnt care.. of course the neighbors need to go to jail for falsely accusing someone
@@uabforfindingthisbutalr6464 The attitude is more than justified based on the accusations and the entirety of the traffic stop. Cops are trained in de-escalation, this shouldn’t make their jobs much harder if they’re properly trained
@@uabforfindingthisbutalr6464 What a load of shite.
It's called gas lighting. They know why people get upset.
His frustration is valid. Listening to the cop in a condescending tone TRYING to trap him to say 'he did threaten' the guy, is gross. Talking to him like he has no right to be upset, and implies he should be grateful he isn't in handcuffs, YET 'detained' from leaving.
God bless prayers in Jesus name amen
Tell me the relationship between the sherriff who falsely reported the paper guy and the officer responding to the scene. Yeah man, he's justified in being a dick to someone unrelated to him and calmly explaining the situation and asking him to not leave while they figure out what's going on. Oh man they're such a threat to his constitutional rights huh.
He's not a cop, he's an SS soldier of the American Gestapo
I would be ticked off too. Poor guy. The sheriff needs to be held accountable.
He was held accountable, and black listed as a dumbass liberal who has been harassing many others besides Cedric.
Yes the cop sheriff needs to be held accountable and it's just outrageous that he was acquitted
Eso es precisamente lo quería que ocurriera. Que se desacatars y que lo arrestaran y después le caían con todo lo que pudieran.....pero el paperboy no cayó en la trampa. Bien por él.
He was found not guilty by Jury, forget him, investigate that Jury under a microscope.
Juries are usually made up by older people that believe all cops are hero's.
"We're just trying to figure out what is going on" is turning into code for "give us a few minutes to figure out how we can make poor judgement by one of our officers appear to be your fault"
More like, "Give us an hour or two to see if we can rhetorically trick you into saying something that lets us arrest you."
Because they are literally trying to figure out what's going on, they don't have a commentator on UA-cam to explain the situation for them. They are going into this thinking that someones life is in danger, there are things to "figure out" here.
Try better
@@winterfell9990 There isn't shit to figure out here, the situation is clear as day and the guy they are detaining is rightfully frustrated. The cops spent more time during this interaction harassing the innocent man doing his job than they did questioning their shit head colleague who CALLED THE POLICE IN THE FIRST PLACE
@@megamurg are you incapable of understanding that people don't have the hindsight you have? You have a guy on UA-cam telling you exactly what's happening and your trying to project that the cops should have the knowledge too.
You also can't listen properly,the cop said the caller was being spoken with by other cops, you seperate the 2 parties and once it's figured out what happened then they can leave.
Seriously, do better
@@winterfell9990 That's wild you say that because the video clear as day shows the off duty sheriff in his truck blocking in the paper boy as he's being questioned and the police even reference that he's moving his truck now that they have arrived but yeah they definitely talked to both parties the same and treated it exactly the same and even spent the same amount of time with each. Keep licking boots you dweeb
As soon as the police realized that this man was delivering newspapers should’ve been allowed to leave. Clearly he was just doing his job. They should’ve walked over to the sheriff and told him he was an idiot.
More than that. He could have gotten the paperboy killed. He lied. He needs to be charged, sued, jailed and humiliated, FIRED.
wrong they had to make sure he did not threaten the cops life...that is why they were called.This paper courier got out and yelled at the cop for following him something we do not see in this video.he could have said anything to the cop to make him want backup.ITS NOT IN THE VIDEO
@@djsi38t you are entitled to your opinion but just so you know I think your wrong. The Sheriff is unfit for office and a danger to the community and officers around him. Why does it matter how he was approached, he admitted he lied which could have resulted in someone dying, and your still pointing the finger at the victim.
@@johnferguson5930 The sheriff certainly did lie and is unfit for office, but the responding officers didn't know that at the time. It was entirely reasonable for them to investigate and speak to both parties to sort out what happened.
@@djsi38t I delivered papers for a long time and got stopped numerous times to be checked out. It never took more than a minute to figure out that I was good. The only reason he was held as long as he was, is they needed to provide cover for their boss.
I used to work as a paperboy (you can hardly call them "boys" anymore, legal framework prohibits minors from working such early hours and all the people I worked with where mostly university students). This dude was stressed the fuck out, you have a timetable to upheld and early hours isn't a nice time to work.
Plus I bet he has a day job as well to get to.
I had a paper route when I was younger, and you're giving me flashbacks. That job was hell.
I was 11 doing it 10 years ago. I couldn't imagine letting kids doing it now.
paperperson! lmfao
Newspaper "carriers."
They are all adults, NOT "boys."
I can work at that hour but I can't interact with people bc I'm not properly awake, I'm a cleaner so usually I don't have to. I don't know how I'd go if I was stopped from getting it done and harassed by cops.
So much respect for this man, it's unbelievable what's happening in North America
the issue with this one is the fact that they pull him over while he is trying to get paid. paper delivery people are paid by production( $.xx per delivery), so they aren't just wasting his time, but they are losing him money in the process. This is the reason he is so annoyed here
So not everyone gets a paper, only the ones the paper deliverer has time to? He doesn't have a set route?
@@stefflus08
No, everyone gets their paper but the longer it takes the less money you are making overall.
@@stefflus08 generally people do this before another job's shift starts.
You know, having more than one job, paper routes dont pay real good.
He should be more annoyed he did not call 911 himself. That’s his mistake as far as I’m concerned. Compounded by the fact he decided to confront the sheriff at 2am. Had he called 911 himself this would have been a different encounter altogether.
@@robv5834 i thought so too!
I rolled my eyes when the cop said "Look how calm i am being" of course you should be calm, you're not the one being falsely accused and detained.
PREACH
He's calm because he's getting paid a salary w/ benefits, this newspaper guy is getting minimum wage and this police stop is not going to get him paid. Dude just wants to work his job and go home
regardless there was no point to yell and scream over something like that
The guy is just trying to do his job and get to the bottom of it, while this guy screams at him. no excuse to be treating people like that.
@@EpicAMV911 I actually think the cop did a good job overall, but that line is so ignorant to what the "suspect" is going through.
That is a serious allegation that could have gotten an innocent man killed. This could have gone very differently.
THAT PART!!!!!
Gotten him killed...? How?
@@iamwhoiam7887 The Police officer that called it in on his paper boy said he had a weapon. Didn't you watch the video? That is a very serious allegation from a fellow officer. It's ridiculous.
@@michaeldemers2716 And you just believe everything you hear the narrator say, right?
@@iamwhoiam7887 Your just looking for a fight so why don't you go somewhere else. Friggin Republican. Don't forget to Vote Blue will you.
That sherriff should be punishable severely.
This is the problem with "Qualified Immunity" for police officers. Sounds like a get-out-of-jail card to me. Take "QI" away and see how many false arrests go away. And the police can't understand why people no longer respect the law officers.
“You want me to put you in handcuffs?”-dudes like this should be fired, lose their pension and any union who defends them should be forced to be dissolved. This cowardice has to stopZ
Sergeants who schooled them on *666,666* benefits packages must go home - in handcuffs in shame - they should be made example of - I removed my knocker because the loud noise made me jump - I have to concentrate hard while I code like 12 men - 2020 working for *Aston Martin* Porsche BMW Suzuki JCB I was fired with pneumonia - it was my first job after 30 years working from home self-employed exporting to 50 countries using 15 human languages - and 15 programming languages
I so agree, threatening to be placed in handcuffs should only be said when the law has been broken and arrest is imminent. Absolutely a bunch of bs, by a bunch of bs'ers outfitted with guns and a badge and a corporate mentality of defeating the people.
🐖: "you want me to put you in handcuffs?"
Taxpayer: you want me to attach myself to your pension for the rest of your life?
@@oopsakat116 I believe when you DETAIN someone that should only mean they can't leave (and that Detainment should have either a time limit or a resolution). Only if they PERSIST (physically) in leaving should they be threatened to be placed in cuffs. By RESOLUTION I mean that the information requested is obtained or the Officer accepts the fact that the information is not 'forthcoming' and the conversation has become unproductive.
the afl-cio will remain an entirely illegitimate organisation until they kick out the pig gangs
What a bunch of liars… “im talking to you to find out what’s going on” they know what’s going on they just don’t want to admit that the call came from an insecure man who’s also a liar.
I mean not really most officers arriving on scene only know information from what the dispatcher tells em, in that context ya mad at the wrong people.
@@TheErik518 if 200 newspapers in the back seat arent enough context for you then i hope your shoes have velcro instead of laces for your sake
@Oblivion in a normal case I might agree with you. The police only have the call to go off of. However you can tell the way the officer is questioning the innocent paper boy that he is attempting to get him to say something that might back his buddy’s claims. I can guarantee you no one was questioning the sheriff, who was lying and the obvious offender in the same manner.
Like a Democrat
Liar and a cop. What a surprise .