Holy Paladin Nerfs, Discipline Priest Buffs And More

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  • Опубліковано 30 жов 2024

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  • @Drogen0
    @Drogen0 5 днів тому +145

    “But why?” Is my go to quote this expansion as Holy Paladin.

    • @williamlangenge5135
      @williamlangenge5135 5 днів тому +4

      pvp

    • @keldon1137
      @keldon1137 5 днів тому +8

      @@williamlangenge5135 clearly, famous beacon of virtue build in 3v3 arena. /s

    • @TonyBones616
      @TonyBones616 5 днів тому +4

      @@williamlangenge5135 They specifically said it's for raid though.

    • @stevebonk8995
      @stevebonk8995 5 днів тому +1

      I’ve mained my holy paladin since 2008 and right now I’m currently enjoying my resto shaman I just leveled. M+ I found a bit annoying with hpally and I haven’t pvp with him since BFA

    • @Aggrofool
      @Aggrofool 5 днів тому +2

      HPal is #1 raid healer according to warcraftlogs.

  • @kn0ckk0ut33
    @kn0ckk0ut33 5 днів тому +55

    Imagine if blizzard would give preist some love the way they love nerfing holy paladin

    • @matthewalexander2780
      @matthewalexander2780 5 днів тому +7

      I mean, if they did that to every class - we would have some pretty awesome classes.
      Resto shaman needs some additional tuning? Let's also nerf H Pally.
      Hunter seems to be doing well, let's reduce all healing on holy pally.

    • @starchaser6024
      @starchaser6024 5 днів тому +1

      @@matthewalexander2780infinite combo points on rogue? Believe it or not, straight to h pal nerf

    • @titfortatpeterpan
      @titfortatpeterpan 5 днів тому +2

      they hate priests
      childhoodtrauma

    • @GoPlayMLP
      @GoPlayMLP 5 днів тому

      I started the expansion on holy pally because it looked fun, and now swapped back to my monk. Fury warriors 🤝 holy pallys rn

    • @matthewalexander2780
      @matthewalexander2780 5 днів тому

      @@starchaser6024 Bwuahah. Heard.

  • @DoctorTako
    @DoctorTako 5 днів тому +33

    One of the devs is repeatedly getting gapped by an HPal in their raid and just not having it I swear...

    • @Ianxred
      @Ianxred 5 днів тому +2

      Whoever is in charge of H Pal tuning needs to be given a high velocity kiss to a car door.

  • @koolzdude89899
    @koolzdude89899 5 днів тому +56

    I saw holy and got excited that blizzard nearly remembered that holy priest exists.

    • @Laptican
      @Laptican 5 днів тому +16

      Holy Priests getting buffs is like winning in the lottery. Actually i think winning the lottery would be more likely

    • @seanfeeney3790
      @seanfeeney3790 5 днів тому +12

      H
      O
      *really?*
      L
      Y
      *omg*
      P
      *it’s happening!!!*
      A
      *what*
      L
      *no*
      A
      *waaaahhhhhh*
      DIN

    • @MrReversDeath
      @MrReversDeath 4 дні тому +1

      Hpriest in raid is pretty strong thanks to halo bug but I think they should totaly rework the talent tree for m+ or gives us way more tool AND bigger number for aoe healing

  • @LeoSpaceman2012
    @LeoSpaceman2012 5 днів тому +38

    Nerf HPal while buffing Rsham? What the actual fuck is going on at blizz?

    • @Aggrofool
      @Aggrofool 5 днів тому +2

      Blizz tunes mainly around raid I guess. HPal is #1 raid healer in warcraftlogs.

    • @RinaaaYa
      @RinaaaYa 5 днів тому +6

      This changes nothing about Hpal in raid.
      The strongest raid Build is AC + LS which doesnt really need mana nor holy shock.
      This just makes standard hpal gameplay worse and changes nothing for raid and will lead to more nerfs.

    • @giannisgk5848
      @giannisgk5848 5 днів тому

      They are rets

    • @joshuahduncan-galvan6942
      @joshuahduncan-galvan6942 5 днів тому +2

      @@RinaaaYa if you're not using holy shock then you're not playing a bis build or gameplay lol

    • @RinaaaYa
      @RinaaaYa 5 днів тому +1

      @@joshuahduncan-galvan6942 not true. The current best build barely uses holy shock it heals using AC.
      I take you are not caught up with the last weeks of tuning made to Hpal huh?

  • @APriestMain
    @APriestMain 5 днів тому +24

    I really dont understand why holy priest is being so forgotten this expansion. i just don't get it

    • @WolfoxLive
      @WolfoxLive 5 днів тому

      Blizz hates simple, reactive healing with instants and blanket group heals. They think by ignoring it or keeping it subpar, they are being "fair" to other healing classes/specs. Besides, according to THEM, we have disc, its viable so why bother Holy spec?..

    • @niekohle680
      @niekohle680 5 днів тому

      Thats why i play holypriest this season and not my holypala 😅

  • @movntn
    @movntn 5 днів тому +20

    The craziest thing about the paladin nerf is that you don’t even need Virtue to play AC (which is the actual culprit right now). All this does is make M+ worse for hpals 😢

    • @MrPbhuh
      @MrPbhuh 5 днів тому +2

      Slightly, I think having to drink more during m+ isnt great but it's playable

  • @kewlf00l85
    @kewlf00l85 5 днів тому +23

    Resto druid catweaving could use a buff, so we nerfed pally. MW Mastery healing was feeling a little strong, so we nerfed pally. Wed like to make disc priest a little stronger, so we nerfed pally.

    • @iamme625
      @iamme625 5 днів тому +9

      Resto druid needs a redesign at this point. It's really dumb how the HoT healer doesn't heal through their HoTs. They're just there to stack mastery so your regrowth does enough healing to keep people alive. Rdruid has to spend like 4-5x the globals to do the same healing as anything else and it's brutal to try and commit to actually doing DPS and going cat form when you're 2 globals away from someone dying and 6 globals away from being able to stop it.

    • @Scaradora
      @Scaradora 5 днів тому

      @@iamme625 fking preach it!

    • @bastianalvarez995
      @bastianalvarez995 5 днів тому

      Sooo, disc priest meta (?

    • @gringoboy701
      @gringoboy701 4 дні тому

      ​@@iamme625lmao so true. Takes my druid 5 buttons to do the same heal my shaman can in 1 healing surge.

  • @AngryZealot
    @AngryZealot 5 днів тому +15

    Blizzard; Here’s Paladins main/only source of using AoE healing
    Also Blizzard; We don’t like Paladins AoE healing.

    • @shestewa6581
      @shestewa6581 5 днів тому +3

      Unpopular opinion but I think Holy Paladin should get Holy Radiance back, especially with the old infusion or selfless healer and daybreak interactions to weave in.
      Holy radiance cost a lot but it healed a bunch and was basically a 0.5s-1.5s cast and when you next cast holy shock it did more AoE aroind that person. It was such an elegant system.

    • @MrPbhuh
      @MrPbhuh 5 днів тому

      ​@@shestewa6581should be a choice node with light of dawn like rising sun kick and rushing winds kick

  • @Biancachioma
    @Biancachioma 5 днів тому +43

    Holy priest being ignored once again 🤍

    • @RinaaaYa
      @RinaaaYa 5 днів тому +5

      You guys are lucky. I wish Hpal was ignored for a freaking season instead of just destroying the spec every season in different and creative ways every time.

    • @davidsennewald5364
      @davidsennewald5364 5 днів тому

      Was going to say the same. Have the hpala developer that nerfs every week even though not that strong. We're mid tier on raid and keys but get nerfed every week

    • @WolfoxLive
      @WolfoxLive 5 днів тому

      @@Biancachioma yeah… Imagine; one of our top tier talent is %3 increase healing or a very occasional, nerfed instant heal that barely moves the health bar of a tank unless it crits… Blizzard is scared shitless to roll that %3 to %5… they rather make it 3.5% and call it a day.

    • @xaero98
      @xaero98 5 днів тому +3

      At least not nerfed xd

    • @MrReversDeath
      @MrReversDeath 4 дні тому +1

      @@RinaaaYaI truly believe wow dev want to bring hpal down just because the 3% damage reduction aura is totaly nuts in raid but dosn’t show in heal output and the dev dont know how to balance that shit

  • @davidherrera8528
    @davidherrera8528 5 днів тому +17

    Why nerf holy paladin its already hard enough to heal as a h paladin 🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️

  • @danielmooreorless
    @danielmooreorless 5 днів тому +8

    Hpal being top is also because of a hero talent redistributing health counting on logs. Not sure if warcraft logs is still including that but it's not actual healing so idk how to feel on that.
    Someone else mentioned it before me also.

    • @Bashera46
      @Bashera46 4 дні тому +1

      honestly this is the 2nd time that paladins have been nerfed based entirely on WCL errors. The person responsible for paladin balance straight up needs to lose their job. Its disgusting incompetence

  • @TheNeaRad
    @TheNeaRad 5 днів тому +11

    hpala is in such a weird spot currently. most of your healing comes from smart aoe heals with the one major spot heal you have control over is beacon. so much power is stacked on judgment to the point where its 20% of your total healing. with avenging crusader it might be pushing 30%
    then we have the whole hero talent situation. holy bulwark is 5-10% and sacred weapon is 5% but the real problem child is tempered in battle. around 5% is good value for it but its not uncommon to see it pushing past 10% and even getting close to 20%
    most of this we have no control over. we can target some of our holy armaments but all the extra we get from wings or awakening are random. we went from a strong spot healer to aoe burst healing like a disc with glimmer or sustained stacked aoe healing like a shaman

    • @AutomaticJak
      @AutomaticJak  5 днів тому

      Great write up!
      Any opinions on what playstyle you’d prefer/enjoy most?

    • @TayaYoung04
      @TayaYoung04 5 днів тому +2

      @@AutomaticJak Ligthsmith Crusader made me pump like 1.7 on rashanaan and i ended the fight with more than 50% mana. it's wild, blizzard seems so behind in what people are currently playing... and a targeted nerf at herald seems so silly, since herald is like really not that good at all. Since we largely play AC, they essentially nerfed my teams resto shaman, because i'll just take my own winter now instead of giving it to him. - or not, i dont even think the 1% will affect my mana pool in a meaningful way. They just nerfed people who play casually and want to play herald for flavor..

    • @RinaaaYa
      @RinaaaYa 5 днів тому

      Both Herald and LS should be about spot healing and using Virtue/Beacons for AOE.
      AC is fun but should never be on par/better than AW:M.
      LS with regular wings just lacked a lot of burst that herald had so they buffed a lot of random passive healing and now we dont have strong reactive soot healing nor agency about who we heal. Its horrible

    • @kelinoxx3469
      @kelinoxx3469 5 днів тому +3

      ​@@AutomaticJaki loved triage healing in SL, when i saw how hpal worked in df and now in tww i was like tf happened to my strong spot healing? :(

    • @corruo
      @corruo 5 днів тому +3

      "No control" is a great way to characterize it. I miss the days where I could push Holy Light, and watch a health bar move by ~50% without a crit. It feels like Holy Paladin identity has been diluted year after year into passive effects.

  • @WolfoxLive
    @WolfoxLive 5 днів тому +13

    This patch pretty much confirms it again (for the 100th time) that blizzard really hates holy priests since this damage and healing disc spec introduced in pandaria. Well, blizz, if you don't like simple reactive healing just remove holy spec altogether and make shaman or some class else your next simple hands down healer because since pandaria Holy is pretty much ignored and sub par. Introducing M+ made it even worse. We get stronger towards the end of expansion in terms of throughput healing but as always we fell short in terms of damage and naturally insta rejected on high keys... Well thank god that there are other classes and specs so I can put my /played 350 days priest aside and enjoy something else other than disc.

    • @WolfoxLive
      @WolfoxLive 5 днів тому +5

      Prayer of Healing for instance? Why does it exists? Either buff it at least 25% or just remove it, even with all the relevant talent points taken, it's redundant and pointless.

    • @WolfoxLive
      @WolfoxLive 5 днів тому +6

      Circle of Healing? another one that needs at least 20% buff or how about sanctify? the OG healing rain you gave to holy priests then took it away, nerfed it and hid it behind a top tier talent with a 2 minute cooldown...

    • @WolfoxLive
      @WolfoxLive 5 днів тому +6

      or Divine Hymn? It's the weakest it has ever been... I'm kinda OK with it's healing believe me... just make the damn thinG channelable while MOVING so we dont waste it when RNG gods decide it's the PERFECT time to throw something in our head while channeling it.

    • @Philp4Pa
      @Philp4Pa 5 днів тому +1

      I imagine holy priest would be strong in raids with those buffs. Personally I would love old version of lightweaver or the kyrian power back man do* I miss them

    • @Hopless1900
      @Hopless1900 5 днів тому

      Sorry with the current talents and Blizz intends to decrease aoe heals even a 20% buff on both abilities wont make it compete even close with lightweaver😢

  • @Maverrick2140
    @Maverrick2140 5 днів тому +2

    i would like to have one heal as a disc that really uses up a lot of mana so i cant spam it .. but it would actually save someone if single target heal is required ..
    something like "dark bargain" - heals your target for 70% health but will suffer the same damage over 15 seconds ... something like that .. would save someone but still needs a bunch of atonement healing to counteract the damage

  • @DavidPalmer-nb9ur
    @DavidPalmer-nb9ur 5 днів тому +20

    I would just like to extend a very heartfelt and sincere FU to the Blizzard Priest Devs for once again completely ignoring Holy Priest. I can't express enough how I enjoy pouring over all the great changes every other healer is getting, and seeing......NOTHING AT ALL for Hpriests, THE lowest performing healer spec in the entire game. Absolutely disgusted at this point.

    • @littledevilteemo5543
      @littledevilteemo5543 5 днів тому +2

      Well look at the bright side
      Atleast you aren't playing holy paladin

    • @wonsunparque4788
      @wonsunparque4788 5 днів тому +3

      I cancelled my subscription and when it asked me why, I said because healing as holy priest sucks. Until it changes, I am not coming back. Blizzard cares about only one thing: $$$.

  • @jwest389
    @jwest389 4 дні тому

    Jak, you always keep me coming back to priest! You inspired me to get my KSH in DF and I just hopped back on my disc priest after watching your streams. Ty for the content, keep going man

  • @sombrego2260
    @sombrego2260 5 днів тому +2

    The Mistweaver changes make no sense to me. What is very strong about mastery is it proccing twice from RSK and sometimes from blackout kick with the newly introduced talent not too long ago. It's not really the Chi-Ji interaction. I mean sure it was benefiting from having a lot of mastery but it was also doing so much overheal I don't think the nerf will be even felt especially when ancient teachings got buffed and both can be paired together.
    I just find it odd personally. I also would love to see bug fixing some talents introduced in DF prepatch are still bugged to this day and not just minor bugs either.

    • @LolitsRag
      @LolitsRag 3 дні тому

      From the logs I’ve seen it seems way more like Blackout Kick was what was doing a vast majority of the healing when it cleaved and hit multiple targets on broodtwister. People were almost never hitting RSK, it was just tiger palm until you get 4 stacks of ancient teachings, then blackout kick.

  • @nickelodeann
    @nickelodeann 5 днів тому +8

    Can we get some h priest m+ support blizz :/

    • @WolfoxLive
      @WolfoxLive 5 днів тому +3

      We won't. Believe me, I'm waiting since pandaria :D In legion they did some correct changes but after that , they simply ignored it. According to them, Holy is for beginners and we should all play as disc if we want to git gut...

    • @nickelodeann
      @nickelodeann 5 днів тому +4

      @@WolfoxLive it’s funny because sure holy has a lower skill floor, but once you learn holy and disc, holy is way harder to heal with imo. And frankly I wouldn’t call premonition “easy” to learn how to use correctly, even if holy was powerful.
      Ugh they just need a way to buff sanctity without making raid healing OP

    • @kelinoxx3469
      @kelinoxx3469 5 днів тому

      ​@@WolfoxLiveshadowlands kirian hpriest: Am i a joke to you?
      But fr is it so hard to create a talent row for m+ blizz?

  • @nortys7753
    @nortys7753 5 днів тому +7

    Fuck yeah, MW buffs !
    So glad they're buffing Rushing Wind Kick, I have played with it in the raid, and it is so awesome.

  • @New.lol1
    @New.lol1 5 днів тому +9

    I attacked the notification.

    • @AutomaticJak
      @AutomaticJak  5 днів тому +6

      What a GOD

    • @New.lol1
      @New.lol1 5 днів тому +1

      @@AutomaticJak how can you answer so fast hahaha, great video btw

  • @あれくす
    @あれくす 5 днів тому +2

    I've retired my holy paladin. I hit 2700 rated 2 weeks ago, i can't move at all, no one wants a holy paladin. I don't understand the constant nerf. We aren't that great. Its wierd. Im just moving on , i rolled a shaman and im gearing him up now.

    • @guidozappi9224
      @guidozappi9224 4 дні тому

      same story m8, its actually insane i would be like doing 14s (trying to join 12s right now) but no one is picking me the only way for me is to use my key that random pug is depleting constantly such a nice season blizzard, but they think to sell 78 euros mount.... clooooowns

  • @grtninja
    @grtninja 4 дні тому +1

    You’ve all been using pally beacons wrong, cast BoL on main tank, cast BoV on self, make every everyone stand near pally and main tank, pop everything and spam rotation. boom whole raid healed. Beacon should not be part of your rotation. It lasts till death, and it’s AoE, making the mana nerf negligible.

    • @grtninja
      @grtninja 4 дні тому

      ^Beacon of Faith

  • @leonardobelon3597
    @leonardobelon3597 5 днів тому +8

    Holy prist exist?

  • @clamclosia
    @clamclosia 5 днів тому +2

    Sithweaving makes MW the most fun healer right now imo and now it’ll be even better!

    • @Luxumbra69
      @Luxumbra69 2 дні тому

      Definitely an interesting choice node. With the increased Dance of Chi-ji proc rate, I'm really torn between the two. I've been using CJL a lot more when playing Master of Harmony, but CoC with Chi-Ji is just so good! And provides ST healing value that TFT->CJL just doesn't.

  • @misstweet9478
    @misstweet9478 4 дні тому +1

    Blizzard hates Holy Paladins

  • @balbutokaiage1667
    @balbutokaiage1667 5 днів тому +2

    Where are the m+ buffs for Holy Priest?

  • @huh4484
    @huh4484 5 днів тому +5

    Holy priest?

  • @AmericanEulogy666
    @AmericanEulogy666 3 дні тому +1

    I feel like Holy Paladin just gets a rotation of interns throw ideas at it on weekly basis. No other explanation.

  • @corruo
    @corruo 5 днів тому +1

    I feel like Blizzard just doesn't have any idea what Paladin is supposed to be anymore.

  • @devel-rh6hy
    @devel-rh6hy 5 днів тому +2

    still no holy priest buffs or reworks :(

  • @Legionthecomrade
    @Legionthecomrade 5 днів тому +1

    Happy Anniversary!

  • @sealteamsesh8742
    @sealteamsesh8742 5 днів тому +1

    Holy Paladin definitely feels more "Under the microscope" from blizzard than other healers

  • @crane4400
    @crane4400 5 днів тому +1

    man they're really making me regret sticking with my Holy Paladin this expansion. They're just constantly beating us with a stick lol
    Thankfully I've been gearing up my priest so it might be time to swap pack over to it.

  • @grummpz
    @grummpz 5 днів тому

    It genuinely feels that all the spec devs work in a silo and there is nobody overseeing the healing overall. All the changes that don’t seem joined up and yet resto shaman isn’t touched .

  • @Projectlh
    @Projectlh 3 дні тому

    Hey! Loving your gameplay vids👍
    I’m thorn between rdruid (which I prefer), monk (2nd préf) and rsham (obviously).
    Casual player mostly pugging solo and duo.
    20% of the time I premade and we already have a healer so I should be able to dps (i like boomie and enhancement both).
    I’m not looking for 0,1% but stick on a main and time all 10’s !
    Regarding these facts, which one would you recommend ?

  • @MrKamex
    @MrKamex 5 днів тому

    5:45 the patch notes literally came out after i finished a city of threads where exactly that happened :'D

  • @EternalJunim
    @EternalJunim 5 днів тому +2

    As a warrior main, i fell ur pain H paladins

  • @samyaza5752
    @samyaza5752 5 днів тому +1

    I love these changes and i have no idea what they're doing. Also I don't play a healer anymore xD

  • @Divoria
    @Divoria 4 дні тому

    I will lay down my pala now. I tried Lightsmitg for a week now because of all the talent changes but really dont enjoy the playstyle and I guess ill just swap to a priest or so. I really enjoy your content so maybe ill learn a new healer in the next time :)

  • @javanon
    @javanon 5 днів тому

    Choo choo! Hear that?? It’s the disc oracle train!! All aboard!!!

  • @tohstedd
    @tohstedd 5 днів тому +5

    nothing for holy priest... again... i love blizzard entertainment owned by activision blizzard

  • @RubenManriquezS
    @RubenManriquezS 5 днів тому +5

    After all this nerfs, I can only say "Holy paladin was a mistake"

  • @Turdfergesun
    @Turdfergesun 5 днів тому +1

    Best thumbnail to date

  • @tremlih1
    @tremlih1 5 днів тому +1

    I really don’t know why Blizz is constantly just looking at raid performances for buffs/nerfs. Why again the HPal nerfs when healing in M+ is just a manafiesta anyway? And WTF Blizzard?!?!?! look at that healer distribution wowhead posted some days ago where rsham is taking up more than 80% of all healers throughout every key level higher than 8… why is nothing happening there

  • @droniholland7185
    @droniholland7185 5 днів тому

    mistweaver - I'd love to see a soothing mist build thats viable...

  • @stormstudioet
    @stormstudioet 5 днів тому

    They need to double holy paladins mana in 5 man content. It's crazy how the spec needs to drink after nearly every pack, even if they're just spending their GCDs on dps they still lose mana way faster than any other spec.

  • @hankthemiltanktv1306
    @hankthemiltanktv1306 5 днів тому

    Been waiting for disc buffs. Yum

  • @eric4143
    @eric4143 3 дні тому

    druid is still lacking for one reason alone: missing damage reduction. What's the benefit of bringing a druid high keys if the next ability will one shot you. shaman got dps reduction+10% life

  • @Luxumbra69
    @Luxumbra69 2 дні тому

    Why does hpal get tuned around mana when you have things like Shadowfiend/voidwraith/mindbender/mana tea

  • @hadriench3402
    @hadriench3402 5 днів тому

    Disci buff is good, because actually some situations are really disgusting when you're unable to spam flash heal someone successfully. But then why not increase healing of holy word sanctuary on hpriest to increase is aoe healing that sucks ? Srsly blizzard totally forgot this spec

  • @elcanaldelargan8575
    @elcanaldelargan8575 5 днів тому

    I'm a bit out of touch regarding the game right now (lack of time to play, nothing against it) but, have they even touched Holy priest for 11.0.5? Even more, have they even touched it since release?, away from a bit of the usual number tuning, I mean (and even that has been scarce, or so it looks to me)

  • @Byhythloh
    @Byhythloh 2 дні тому

    I don't get it. I literally never think about Mana on Hpal. I think the lowest I drop is 80%, but then Blessing is up again for the mana regen. Are we playing different games? Compared to playing my Resto Druid, I have to drink ever 2-3 packs.

  • @Luxumbra69
    @Luxumbra69 2 дні тому

    Kinda crazy how paladin just isnt a good targetted spot healer anymore. Especially crazy when you consider how it started. Any point where it was fun, it had good spot heals. Now it just feels like a lot of work for random rng aoe heals and holy shock is weaker than a riptide-- 3 gcds of HP to get a worse version of healing surge via WoG/EF? Even if it was only two GCD i think it'd be preferable to use healing surge.

  • @joshuahduncan-galvan6942
    @joshuahduncan-galvan6942 5 днів тому

    i parse 98s+ and i dont even use virtue, looks like i'm staying that way! i HATED how oom i'd be using virtue. I can't honestly see how they think it wasn't mana consuming enough, like did a dev play it for 30 seconds or something?

  • @Naturalhigh8
    @Naturalhigh8 2 дні тому

    they simply need to outsource the balancing to people like you. I really don't understand why it's so hard to balance for them. We as a player base can figure out what's good/bad in minutes most of the time as well as proper fixes/changes/adjustments. And they don't listen when they get free input. Yes, a lot of what they receive is fluff that needs to be deleted from the forums but just syphon through it. We are doing the majority of their job already. They just have to implement it. It's so sad how inept the whole thing is.

  • @Christophersaurus
    @Christophersaurus 3 дні тому

    I thought pres was sad from the consume flame shit but damn they fuckin hate a class randomly rotating on Tuesdays it seems

  • @Rylos277
    @Rylos277 5 днів тому +1

    Anecdotally, my guilds holy pally is an endless font of mana compared to the rest of us. From my level of play(heroic raiding) additional mana cost makes sense.
    Not saying this is the way or there this was something that desperately needed to be solved, just that I could see if devs have internal data that are directing certain changes like this.

    • @havtor007
      @havtor007 5 днів тому +1

      Well paladin from vanilla until the season 3 of dragonflight had ZERO mana issue never ever went oom.
      And they still managed to balance it.

    • @fynnmarsella482
      @fynnmarsella482 5 днів тому

      As a myth hpal- we either have to go lightsmith/avenging crusader for aoe healing or run virtue. Both require heavy mana use. Your hpal may be using a more tank/spot focused build.

  • @nilohermes6447
    @nilohermes6447 5 днів тому

    It's now harder to find a healer than a tank. This season is "special".

  • @dielotte
    @dielotte 5 днів тому

    When internship do class changes …. Maybe they mixed up things they want nurf evoker for 10% on everything and hit by mistake pala?

  • @titfortatpeterpan
    @titfortatpeterpan 5 днів тому

    funny that blizzard said" u want information about healing? ask wowhead´.... so ask jack"
    and he cant stop laughing about the nerf and buffs holy moly paladin

  • @technicolorsoultheory3924
    @technicolorsoultheory3924 5 днів тому

    Ive always loved rdruid. But going between my rdruid main and rshaman alt is night and day when it comes to GCDs

  • @pincopallo5982
    @pincopallo5982 5 днів тому +2

    Think i'm gonna play disc, cause hunter been hammered for "overperforming" over a bug that they fixed 🤣

    • @AutomaticJak
      @AutomaticJak  5 днів тому +2

      Disc does have the divine mandate!

  • @pyromania2667
    @pyromania2667 5 днів тому +4

    Holy Priest rotting in the corner again, consistently the worst M+ healer

  • @mclarke4685
    @mclarke4685 5 днів тому

    If you play farseer in PUGs, that chain lightning buff feels necessary cos there aren’t many free GCDs 😂

  • @jdigiti
    @jdigiti 5 днів тому

    I will trade a few things for Holy Radiance as a button I can push again.

  • @thegamemattster
    @thegamemattster 3 дні тому

    FIX TYRS DELIVERANCE and make it not TRASH.

  • @ramones1314
    @ramones1314 5 днів тому

    I've been saying since launch, holy priest just needs a lot of its AoE abilities cut. With Halo, Holy Nova, PoM, PoH, CoH, Sanctify, Salvation, Sanctuary (if you talent that LMAO), its a lot to spread the power budget across, and its a lot to try and use to the point where its too time consuming to be worthwhile. They need to remove a lot of it to empower the remainder spells. Whats the point in having these talents if theyre absolutely worthless? My personal desire would to be removing holy nova (As a healing spell), salvation, CoH, and divine word sanctuary. Change those into talents that buff up PoH or PoM. Take away power from Halo if they have to, just for more sustainable healing. I dont think they can nerf the single target cuz then m+ is just miserable trying to keep people alive unless they make serenity actually stronger than Heal. but anyways, with those changes done they could make PoM better by increasing the % chance of Benediction and Say Your Prayers, which makes better use of Renewed Faith and Answered Prayers, and then put a little bit more power into PoH cuz with Sanctified Prayers and Resonant Words, you can make PoH decently strong it just needs a little extra push. Sanctify I find already heals a decent amount, its not a big oomph heal which is a little depressing but hey actually casting PoH would get you more uses of it so it works out i guess

  • @ethanjock9423
    @ethanjock9423 5 днів тому +7

    I unsubbed. The devs clearly don't care about my spec (holy priest). Not a single buff in sight even though it's in the dumpster right now for m+ and pvp...

    • @titfortatpeterpan
      @titfortatpeterpan 5 днів тому

      a heal without kick in 2024

    • @TooMuchTuna7
      @TooMuchTuna7 5 днів тому

      Ya man I’ve moved on from holy priest. Just doesn’t have what you need for end game stuff except it’s ok in raid that’s it

  • @zantar04
    @zantar04 5 днів тому +2

    15% of 0 is still 0.

  • @Litafaerie
    @Litafaerie 5 днів тому

    Can they just bring back judge for mana for holy pally? And what about holy priest ffs! I guess we not a thing…just the aoe healer that can’t do that at all anymore

  • @serena-yu
    @serena-yu 4 дні тому

    They want to force people into the other beacon talent.

  • @wiskeeamazingdancer4964
    @wiskeeamazingdancer4964 5 днів тому +2

    Wait Holydins use mana? When did they start doing that? They used to have full mana at all times.

    • @havtor007
      @havtor007 5 днів тому

      Dragonflight

    • @gabber_
      @gabber_ 5 днів тому +2

      tell me how you never played holy paladin since DF S2 rework

  • @tempoh1827
    @tempoh1827 5 днів тому +1

    yeah those are def holy paladin nerfs... :)

  • @TooMuchTuna7
    @TooMuchTuna7 5 днів тому +1

    Are they mad at holy pally? Lol. Did it piss someone off?

    • @pickkahandle
      @pickkahandle 5 днів тому

      i just resubbed last week and am playing hpal so it was probably me sorry guys

  • @ondamixtape
    @ondamixtape 4 дні тому +1

    Why nerf hpal ????

  • @pulsedemonwojtek
    @pulsedemonwojtek 5 днів тому

    does blizzard play the game they work on?

  • @jasonsmits4912
    @jasonsmits4912 5 днів тому

    I was considering holy pally or disc priest at the start of tww.. man did i chose the wrong one...
    Can you guess what class i chose? I bet you can! 😂

  • @lucasmedrano5607
    @lucasmedrano5607 5 днів тому

    Jack why blizz no rework holy priest? In m+ feels super weack. The defensives are super shit. its a nerf version from shadowlands

  • @DHD10000
    @DHD10000 4 дні тому

    Disc Priest needs a easier way to apply attonement in raids its just shit

  • @Khaltazar-2024
    @Khaltazar-2024 5 днів тому +1

    I'm not a great player and only played Holy Paladin for a raid or two, but I spammed by heals as fast and good as I could and I got out healed by a tank. I don't think Holy Paladin was OP at all. Maybe I'm just horrible at healing and the game in general, but it didn't feel OP at all. If anything I felt I was struggling.

    • @rtchhangte5045
      @rtchhangte5045 5 днів тому

      That means you dont understand how the some tank classes and dungeon works.
      If you are running with a VDH or BDK, they will do more healing in most of the packs unless there is hugeAOE damage affecting the group. You will do more healing than the tank generally when there are lots of unavoidable damage like in boss fights or huge Dots.
      You are doing fine if the group is not dying.
      P.S : Hpals shouldnt feel this mana nerf when running below 10s

  • @merrill242
    @merrill242 5 днів тому

    I guess the Fired class Designer and now some stupid New professionals are doing the same Mistakes than 20 years ago.

  • @alicantipi4235
    @alicantipi4235 5 днів тому

    can you do a resto druid guide :D

  • @Vandreren83
    @Vandreren83 5 днів тому +2

    The holy pala rant was the biggest instance of sandbagging I've heard in a long time.

  • @hudsonstokes7539
    @hudsonstokes7539 5 днів тому

    As if hpal aren't weak enough already.. where's the resto sham nerfs...

  • @martinhronec9424
    @martinhronec9424 5 днів тому

    Timestamps pls

  • @Luxumbra69
    @Luxumbra69 2 дні тому

    If hpal lost beacon of virtue and only had BoF, hpal would be worse than hpriest. Says a lot about how shitty Virtue is, honestly.

  • @wow6720
    @wow6720 5 днів тому

    Blizz is just out to hurt paladins

  • @mjkelly93
    @mjkelly93 5 днів тому +2

    90% of 12+ keys are shaman. lets give em a big damage buff

    • @garretthaskett6384
      @garretthaskett6384 5 днів тому

      tbh, not many are playing farseer. Still kinda silly though.

    • @titfortatpeterpan
      @titfortatpeterpan 5 днів тому +1

      metzen thrall is shaman . no further question

  • @HazyKilla
    @HazyKilla 5 днів тому

    buffing disc healing instead of dps sheeeeeeeit man

  • @mrshuwaiterkun8010
    @mrshuwaiterkun8010 5 днів тому +1

    why dont they just delete paladin ?

  • @punker2534
    @punker2534 5 днів тому

    Too many holy pallies in high keys I guess..

  • @DaBombDiggidy88
    @DaBombDiggidy88 5 днів тому +1

    Does thinking about your mama ever feel good?

  • @OzzyM
    @OzzyM 5 днів тому

    Harry Potter
    ALL 8 MOVIES
    STREAMING NOW
    ALL THE
    SPELLS
    BROOMS
    BOOMS
    peacock

  • @mrshuwaiterkun8010
    @mrshuwaiterkun8010 5 днів тому

    and why are they buffing MW omg they will nerf them everyweek after it as classic blizzard move

  • @frozby5973
    @frozby5973 5 днів тому

    I am not gonna play oracle blizzard no matter how many times you buff it its just stinky to play and void is 100x cooler

  • @KiraTheKhanivore
    @KiraTheKhanivore 5 днів тому

    As a Preservation main, can I get some love too? 💔

  • @miniman1007
    @miniman1007 5 днів тому +1

    there's a 75.4% representation of resto shaman in 12+ keys
    Blizzard: let's buff resto shaman

  • @marcosmarinho1772
    @marcosmarinho1772 3 дні тому

    Devs wonder what we're going to nerf on Hpala this week.😂😂 clueless devs

  • @snarly7346
    @snarly7346 5 днів тому

    Blizz dumping on paladins . .that's new . . . .