Bench press: 135x12, 200x10, 265x8, 285x6, 310x1+2 forced reps Incline Press: 240x4+ 2 forced, 230x2+2 forced reps, 220x2+2 forced reps Pec Deck: 170x6+2 forced reps, 170x4+2 forced reps+negative rep. Dorian then went on to do bent over rows. pulldowns, deadlifts, biceps and preacher curls. Unbelievable amount of work capacity. Guy was for sure a genetic freak. Great video
Mad to think i used to train at temple gym back in the day and used the machinery etc seen in blood & guts. Never trained anywhere like that since. Great video jay 👍
Maybe, but, barring a VERY bad injury, there's no good reason to have such poor mobility in your shoulders that you can't touch the bar to your chest whilst pressing. I like Jay very much...great poster, solid lifter. But I do tend to disagree with anyone who presses in the upper-half of any pressing movements' ROM.
@ full range, as you’ve described, is broscience. The athletes with the most massive quads on the planet do essentially quarter squats with extremely light resistance. I’m talking of course about cyclists.
@@daledykes9253 That's a fair point. Now, I'm not entirely convinced that your observation holds true: yes, cyclists typically have very good quads; however, many of them also train with weights and, as it stands, bodybuilders still reign supreme when it comes to thigh size, at least on average. Is it a "drug thing"? Maybe. Then again, comparing a cyclist's primary leg training to a bodybuilder's upper body movements (and the ROM involved in the latter) isn't apples to apples. For one, the TUT is not at all comparable. Even with the reduced ROM, the cyclist is effectively performing much more work, but at very high intensities, per unit time versus a guy doing, say, a Yates-inspired leg routine of just a few sets vo but balls-to-walls, full-range
@ take me, for instance. I have long arms and a relatively flat chest. To touch the bar to my chest I have to move the bar fully one foot farther than a man with a barrel chest and short arms AND it causes shoulder pain. Since I am not a power lifter why should I expose myself to injury just to satisfy someone else’s ego ?
Tried your preached principles. Kinda love the training to failure method. I do fullbidy workouts one set per bodypart. Is it okay I do it evey 3 days? I kind of suck gauging if I have recovered or not between workouts and I just think 2 days rest is reasonable for recovery as a default. Any thoughts?
I think you've had a big influence on me Jay. Earlier I would have done a program like this, but now I'm thinking why doesn't he just do one or two really good heavy sets? What is with all this pyramiding and unchallenging 1st sets? Just get the good stuff
I’m glad I had a positive influence man. That’s my over all goal. Just to help people find safer, more effective and efficient ways to improve their fitness
This was probably due to going too heavy in calorie deficits nearing his competition. That’s according to him at least. He says he should have pulled back a bit as he got closer to the competition.
You do too many reps Dorian modified Mike Mentzer heavy duties with few reps but hig intensity Pecs Decline bench press 3 sets Include bench press 2 sets Dumble flies 2 sets
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Quick question...do people with MS do your type of workouts? Or is it to much and should i/we go for more volume?
I like you trying out these other workouts. It shows the different shades and contrasts from HIT.
Jay, you forgot the “don’t do this at home” alert in the beginning 😂
You could do it… nothing wrong with it. Just probably not the most time efficient approach.
I like this new video format, trying legends workouts, with your insights and expertise man, thats 🔥🔥👌🏽
For not bench pressing, that's still pretty impressive💪🏾
You should train with Dorian
I plan to in the spring!
Really glad to see you experimenting and exploring.👍👍👍
The music reminds me of old school POG videos!Good old times for sure!
Bench press: 135x12, 200x10, 265x8, 285x6, 310x1+2 forced reps
Incline Press: 240x4+ 2 forced, 230x2+2 forced reps, 220x2+2 forced reps
Pec Deck: 170x6+2 forced reps, 170x4+2 forced reps+negative rep.
Dorian then went on to do bent over rows. pulldowns, deadlifts, biceps and preacher curls.
Unbelievable amount of work capacity. Guy was for sure a genetic freak.
Great video
Not really! The PEDs made the difference.
@@psl127 oh and this was low volume according to the norm of those days
And people have the audacity to say he did low volume 😂
Hey...why not get in touch with Dorian for those missing details
I’m not going to bother the guy over small details lol
And then for what? we shouldn’t do this!
Mad to think i used to train at temple gym back in the day and used the machinery etc seen in blood & guts. Never trained anywhere like that since. Great video jay 👍
what do you mean it would be dangerous to let the bar touch your chest its just normal technique
Depends on your anatomy.
Maybe, but, barring a VERY bad injury, there's no good reason to have such poor mobility in your shoulders that you can't touch the bar to your chest whilst pressing.
I like Jay very much...great poster, solid lifter. But I do tend to disagree with anyone who presses in the upper-half of any pressing movements' ROM.
@ full range, as you’ve described, is broscience. The athletes with the most massive quads on the planet do essentially quarter squats with extremely light resistance. I’m talking of course about cyclists.
@@daledykes9253 That's a fair point.
Now, I'm not entirely convinced that your observation holds true: yes, cyclists typically have very good quads; however, many of them also train with weights and, as it stands, bodybuilders still reign supreme when it comes to thigh size, at least on average.
Is it a "drug thing"? Maybe.
Then again, comparing a cyclist's primary leg training to a bodybuilder's upper body movements (and the ROM involved in the latter) isn't apples to apples. For one, the TUT is not at all comparable. Even with the reduced ROM, the cyclist is effectively performing much more work, but at very high intensities, per unit time versus a guy doing, say, a Yates-inspired leg routine of just a few sets vo but balls-to-walls, full-range
@ take me, for instance. I have long arms and a relatively flat chest. To touch the bar to my chest I have to move the bar fully one foot farther than a man with a barrel chest and short arms AND it causes shoulder pain. Since I am not a power lifter why should I expose myself to injury just to satisfy someone else’s ego ?
Tried your preached principles. Kinda love the training to failure method. I do fullbidy workouts one set per bodypart. Is it okay I do it evey 3 days? I kind of suck gauging if I have recovered or not between workouts and I just think 2 days rest is reasonable for recovery as a default. Any thoughts?
The frequency that works for you is just based on you as the individual. Every three days is just fine.
If you are getting stronger every 3 days then you’re recovering.
Great effort! Yes this pec deck very risky without locking in the beginning position.
Yeah it’s a weird pec deck but that’s all we’ve got there unfortunately.
That's pretty much how I do my reps. I'm not explosive but a little faster. Even though it's faster, your not excelertaeing as fast as like Brian shaw
Certainly nothing wrong with it at all. I just sort of prefer a tad slower. It’s really preference
I think you've had a big influence on me Jay. Earlier I would have done a program like this, but now I'm thinking why doesn't he just do one or two really good heavy sets?
What is with all this pyramiding and unchallenging 1st sets? Just get the good stuff
I’m glad I had a positive influence man. That’s my over all goal. Just to help people find safer, more effective and efficient ways to improve their fitness
I love you and your videos, me no likey the music! LoL
You prefer no music? Just trying some new things. Seeing what people like.
Dorian, by the way, did suffer from a number of injuries that limited his career, probably excessive weight and speed 🏋️
This was probably due to going too heavy in calorie deficits nearing his competition. That’s according to him at least. He says he should have pulled back a bit as he got closer to the competition.
Yep, it was the winstrols and diuretics plus caloric deficit (no fats) all during contest prep.
Dorian mentioned also was due to aromatize inhibitors that dried up his joints
Everything in this workout seems arbitary and not scientific...
Well… it was 1985 haha
Starting to get lean meng
Started to clean my diet up a bit!
Is building muscle really a physical thing, or is it the intention in your mind that ignites muscle growth?
It’s 100% a biochemical response to a stimulus.
You do too many reps
Dorian modified Mike Mentzer heavy duties with few reps but hig intensity
Pecs
Decline bench press 3 sets
Include bench press 2 sets
Dumble flies 2 sets
I did exactly what was in Dorian’s journal