George Galloway: Politics and Faith. Praise for Bishop Pat McKinney on Catholic Education.
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Summary
In this conversation, the hosts discuss an interview with George Galloway, a controversial politician, and his views on religion and politics. They also touch on Catholic social teaching and the challenges of interpreting and implementing it. The hosts express their concerns about the lack of engagement and clarity from bishops and education leaders on important moral issues, such as sex education and the influence of secular ideologies in Catholic schools. They emphasize the need for a strong Catholic foundation in education and the importance of teaching children about the dignity of the human person and the gift of sexuality.
Keywords
#georgegalloway , #politics, #religion, #catholicchurch #catholicsocialteaching, #bishops, #education, moral issues, #sex education, secular ideologies, Catholic schools, human dignity, #sexuality #popefrancis #pridemonth #man #election #vote #unitednations #education
Takeaways
George Galloway, a controversial politician, identifies as a faithful Catholic and a fan of the #latinmass
Catholic social teaching is open to interpretation and can be influenced by political allegiances.
Bishops and education leaders need to engage with moral issues and provide clear guidance based on Catholic teachings.
Sex education should focus on the gift of sexuality and the dignity of the human person, rather than simply promoting pleasure.
Catholic schools should prioritize teaching the faith and not rely on secular ideologies or external organizations for guidance.
Titles
George Galloway: A Controversial Catholic Politician
Lack of Engagement from Bishops and Education Leaders
Sound Bites
"I'm a faithful Catholic. My mum goes to mass every week."
"Catholic social teaching is an absolute gem. It's a brilliant thing to have."
"I hope he becomes more Catholic, not less as he gets his hands dirty with the political process."
Chapters
00:00
Introduction and Discussion of George Galloway Interview
03:01
Exploring Catholic Social Teaching and its Interpretations
08:12
The Role of Bishops and Education Leaders in Addressing Moral Decay
11:31
Teaching Children about Sexuality from a Faith-Based Perspective
29:43
Promoting a Positive Vision of Ethical Living
I salute his courage and indefatigability :-)
The TLM is "poetry in motion." Yes!!
George Galloway is a National Treasure. We need more people in the Roman Catholic Church who take a strong stand against Zionism as Galloway does.
I wonder does he get as excited about Freemasons and homosexuals as he does about Jews ? That also would be a useful attitude in appealing to Rochdale's Muslim electorate.
Have you even read the "the protocols of zion" the book talks about protestantism/communism as a tool to spread it. The state of Israel has been at odds with the communist UN multiple times since their creation.
The book also makes a distinction between pro-elders of zion vs traitor jews(right wing jews).
If israel really did control the world, why would they get vilified more than any country with far more human rights violations.
My guess is the real "zionists" are the ones supporting the palestinian/islamic terrorist!!!
PRAY, PRAY, PRAY FOR THE TRUE TLM CATHOLIC CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST !!!
If this country had embrassed Catholic teaching, the NHS wouldnt have been so overwhelmed. Abortions, STDs, Depression etc. All of those can be reduced.
Very grateful for the discussions between the three, I look forward to every episode.
Our Lord says keep your eyes on me look neither right or left. The balance of the law and the spirit is the narrow path we are to follow. The Holy Spirit is to lead us in all truth, discernment in confusing times is our current task. God bless.
Don't look left or right is a continuous refrain in Ezekiel.
I recommend you watch his podcast twice a week. Its very enlightening. We as Catholics will know what he thinks.
There is a culture of telling children not to react to grooming and harm. In our Catholic parish school teachers put up a sign telling children to keep silent if they were feeling upset because their words might hurt someone. So much for child safeguarding.
My children are grown up but they would never have kept silent on this. Probably would have been expelled!
Thank you for your program!
The Marxist - left would have complete contempt for Catholic Social teaching.
Well said Mark!
Thank you to all three of you. Ave Maria ~
This is such a good channel, i have only recently discovered it. Looking forward to more.
Here in Australia "social justice" is not just, like communists
If anything goes, everything's gone. :(
Little Red riding hood, was a scary story to make children wary. Unfortunatly it is hard for us catholics to preach on morality when the media are continuiously calling us out for clergy abuse.
You hate to think about how many wolves are hiding in plain view at the Vatican in red cloaks.
Have you considered the repeated calling out of clergy abuse is a deliberate way to discredit the very morality that condemns it?
@@royquick-s5n Yes I agree with that
Why should it be difficult? Public school teachers in America have a higher rate of abuse than priests! Just as whites must stop accepting guilt and feeling from the black community for actions of more than a hundred years ago, Catholics have no more guilt or shame for child abuse than the rest of society!
@@royquick-s5n Yes I agree with that
Thanks for another brilliant video. 🙏🙏🙏
The place for human sexuality is within the bonds of a valid sacramental marriage......its quite clear and straightforward teaching that should be embedded in the school curriculum. Its not complicated. But to state that is somehow seen as intolerant( recently watched Andew Pierce the conservative pundit getting shirty because a guest was saying that everything outside a valid marriage between a man a women was sinful and that included him and his male partner ) it comes down to a decades long failure to teach about sin and its consequences and that objective God given moral truths are just that.....the truth
Pleasure is a reward for our co-operation with God.
More a holy joy in the beauty of God's creation & suffering united with the Cross of Christ.
Why aren't our Catholic schools teaching the catechism? Its teaching on the purpose of life being to get to know God so we can love Him properly is a good start.
Same in Australia. A friend of mine got into trouble for telling the kids wilfully missing Sunday Mass is a mortal sin in Catechism class.
@Westyrulz how many children for the last 40 years would even know the difference between a mortal and a venial sin.......
@@kevinwoplin9322 Yeah your right.
Oh how right she was, the redoubtable Mary Whitehouse!
She wasn’t necessarily right But she was quintessentially English and was spunky
On Catholic Education, why is there hardly ever correction coming from the Vatican from all these stray schools teaching anti-Catholic morals? Why do some many of these schools teach things closer to secular education?
Did anyone watch Archbishop Viganò this morning? He gave it both barrels!!
Katherine, that bit at the end of what we figuratively feed children is very accurate. In many ways God uses the natural world to teach spiritual truths in the Scripture. What we feed into our souls through the gates of our eyes, ears and other senses are similar to what we feed our bodies. If we feed crap into our body, it will degrade and eventually die. Similarly, if we feed our souls horror, porn, or other depraved things our souls die which is clear with the depression, anxiety and other dark places people are suffering in the world today. How much better for us and the common good it is to keep children away from such depravity! The place of innocence and purity that is so obviously a higher place than that of the world!
Why do they carry on hurting the children, themselves and the world so.....
That bit of the child expose to depraved sexual advances while at a Catholic school is such a disgraceful thing to hear.
And what is more when it is on the telly or android.
Speaking of nuance, recently someone left a short two word comment, 'Gaudium et Spec,' which is the name of a document on social teaching, Second Vatican Council, 1965, the main message of which is: " "Since all men possess a rational soul and are created in God's likeness, since they have the same nature and origen, have been redeemed by Christ, and enjoy the same calling and destiny, the basic equality of all, must receive increasingly greater recognition".
i found it interesting, speaking of nuance, that the qualifier "basic" comes before the word, "equality" and wonder if it refers to some common ability that people have, "in common," like the ability to learn, which is to seek and to find answers and to be shown a way, but not to be restricted to merely an intellectual pursuit, which doesn't penetrate to the heart, as if the heart represents the basic part of whats equal about people, even if you get to it through the intellect; to seeking and learning.
Or maybe basic refers to a collective/shared meaning that brings people ( happily) together.
In any case religion in an increasingly secular society is a more and more interesting topic to delve into, and I really enjoy your facinating talks both together and as individuals.
Aquinas teaches that humans, belonging to the animal genus are of a different species. As a species, the human has been made in the image of God. Aquinas states, " All things which are of one species enjoy in common the action which accompanies the nature of the species, and consequently the power which is the principle of such action; but not so as that power be identical in all. Now to know the first intelligible principles is the action belonging to the human species. Wherefore all men enjoy in common the power which is the principle of this action: and this power is the active intellect. But there is no need for it to be identical in all. Yet it must be derived by all from one principle. And thus the possession by all men in common of the first principles proves the unity of the separate intellect, which Plato compares to the sun; but not the unity of the active intellect, which Aristotle compares to light." So as humans we share a basic, common human nature, equal in dignity as created in the image of God as distinguished from the rest of the animal kingdom.
There must be inequalities however, consider the pursuit of the virtuous life; some may pursue it more than others and enjoy the fruits thereof.
In many areas of church life we substitute respectability for righteousness and we substitute culture for salvation. You are never going to get to Heaven based on your culture, education, and goodness or how respectable or intellectual you are. You only go to Heaven based on the Cross of Jesus Christ.
life begins at conception.
I don't always agree with Galloway but this is a good debate, ua-cam.com/video/bd_k8Ud7n9c/v-deo.html, Galloway is certainly a match (and some) for Hitchens.
I liked most of this. Personally, as I became a Catholic in 1958 (from Anglicanism) I loved the Tridentine High Mass on Sundays and Holy days, but I embraced fully the doctrine of the Primacy of Peter, and at time I think all Catholics were loyal. However, as a Catholic who has lived with my faith in loyalty ever since in different countries, including the Far East, I do not think the Latin Roman rite was greatly understood and loved by all. We really must always be aware, as Pope Francis is, that the Church is universal, and view it from that angle. So much is said on western social media about “the Latin Mass” without specifying which rite, by people who are too young to have a daily living experience of the Tridentine rite…including I would guess the three of you! I am 90. The pre Vatican II ORDINARY daily low Masses, were anything but “poetry in motion”. What is important is that we have enough validly ordained Catholic priests to give us the Eucharist. Everything ekse is trivia in comparison. Pray for the Popes and the Church always. +
Only God has infinite dignity. Finite creatures have nothing infinite except a relationship with the infinite God that He initiates in order to perfect them.
I love George Galloway and was just thinking to myself walking home from Mass today, that we need someone with Catholic values to run this country. Someone moderate unlike Farage. I think Galloway is the man. He may not be one hundred percent spot on but he is clever and will deliver. He has also mentioned the family and the importance of having children. Lets remember, as a Catholic, he has to be careful with his campaign.
George Galloway - the same man who shamelessly panders to Islamists?
Catholic values? Onto his 4th wife...
@@MC-ol5lx He seems to have approved Julian Assange's sexual behaviour.
Sorry, I can't agree. He does change his tune according to the way the wind blows as Gavin Ashenden says. I admire his oratorical skills and he used to be my MP and I have a soft spot for his Clydeside eloquence. But I wouldn't believe a word he says. He also defended Assange on the Swedish r*pe allegation saying something along the lines of well who hasn't woken up and rolled over onto the woman you're sleeping with. That cost the Respect party dearly and was a really dumb thing to say. In summary: not reliable
Are the youth who have secular ideas baptised ?. Faith comes at baptism and more faith is given if the parents and godparents are faithful Catholics.
For those who look on Latin as a sort of pious, rarified language, most suited to the Liturgy, it is worth remembering that when, in the fourth century (or thereabouts) the Sacred Scriptures and the Liturgy were translated into Latin for the benefit of the common people, Latin was not such a language at all. A rubbish collector in Rome, at the time, would have said “Oi, mate, you’ve missed one of them bins” to a fellow rubbish collector in perfect (well, perhaps, not quite the Latin of Horace) Latin. There is nothing “special” or “holy” about the Latin language. Just as there is nothing “special” or “holy” about the English used in the King James Bible. The Liturgy and the Sacred Scriptures were translated into the vulgar tongue (and the Latin Bible is still referred to as the “Vulgate”) on the simple basis that language exists primarily for the purpose of communication. There is some excellent poetry in Latin - most of it secular. There are some very good war stories - mostly written by Julius Caesar. Nothing wrong with preserving what is best of the Latin language (I might read “De Bello Gallico” again!) but it is not, in itself, a sacred or a holy language.
Indeed. I suppose it needed to be used for so long because the Gospel was spread to people of 100s of languages and dialects. But as the Bible has been translated into all national languages, Latin has fulfilled it's function in the spreading of the gospel. Its good to keep it purely from an academic standpoint as it has lent structure to some European languages.
I appreciate your inclusion that 16th and 17th century English may be regarded the same way.
@@outoforbit00 From an academic standpoint, I keep my Greek New Testament at hand. Before the scriptures were translated into Latin, they appeared in Greek, even the Septuagint. It is my understanding that Greek was the international language in the Roman Empire.
@@royquick-s5n sure, sure.
My point though is, we can all participate in the mass without speaking Latin.
@@outoforbit00 Do you mean passively, using a booklet written in our spoken language? It seems participation would be facilitated by a Mass all in the language of the participants. Latin seems so status symbol oriented, exclusionary, like owning a car more luxurious than others can afford. If the readings and homilies were, in addition, in a language foreign to participants, they would be nonsensical to listeners. Again, I remember the passive behaviors when Mass was in Latin, e.g. the Rosary.
I'm glad Catholic Social Teaching can be applied in different ways. It would be a bad state of affairs if the Church dictated policy, particular in the hyper-papalist age, where it would change from pope to pope. But it does provide a framework for directing policy to the truth, even if there can be a wide range of views, especially on the economics of it.
Catholic Social teaching, especially its belief in corporatism, served as a political model for Mussolini and Franco. Rerum Novarum was taught in Spanish and Italian schools.
Love is love, but sex is sex. They are often related, but not necessarily. Christian love is often described as sacrifice, self-sacrifice. Few notice that anymore.
Great stuff. I’m very surprised about Gorgeous George
Three cheers for Bishop McKinney! We could use him stateside. Mark seems right on the point: Gospel, Catholic, morals need to be applied, not relegated to some optional status. Makes me think how many homilies which I haven't heard addressing the subject. Here, of course, we have a President who professes to be Catholic and sides with abortion and the defense of LGBTQ in the military and elsewhere. The past Speaker of the House was the same. When a bishop has suggested application of disciplinary action, it seems further attention has been immediately quashed. By the Vatican? I wish that the Vatican would address the subject pastorally to the families, instead of prevarification.
Do you guys know of New Polity? It's a think thank focused on Catholic social teaching. They're very interesting.
We love the Latin Mass. What we don’t like is being bludgeoned with it.
Are the speeches of the pope aimed at the TLM saints -Blasphemous,
or the opposite - reverent?
Is the position of the pope a declaration of War against the TLM saints?
embryos have energy
Psalm 82 is more important to me in my vote. Calling people 'quasi Marxist' is just too simplistic. I am anti abortion but I am against criminalising abortion because it leads to back-room abortions which is dreadful. I think we should reduce the number of weeks but politicians are not bishops. I am absolutely against imposing Christian morals on secular people. We have all made mistakes. But I am against imposing 'secular' values on Christians because Christianity is morally far superior to the parliament. That is the conundrem. I find it difficult/impossible to vote for a party which has told so many lies for the benefit of the rich and powerful. The rich and powerful can look after themselves but the poor can not. Religion and politics? Always leads to argument.
Treat others as you would have them treat you is a Catholic moral. It should not be applied to other people because it is a Catholic moral?
My 12 yr old nephew attends a secular secondary school in Glasgow. The school in an attempt to teach morality had the children design posters against the Isreal Gaza war. Fine and well, but there is no teaching in that school on the foundational principals one is working of and also how to go about doing the 'right thing'. Instead its all just emotive and how one feels about things. Just those children been thought the 10 commandments would have sufficed in teaching those children morality that they can apply to every situation. The schools would not be short of money as they claim had they not discarded the very foundations of what teaching children ought to entail.
Gavin, nailed it when he said that the supposition in the ideology teached to children is that adult life is nothing more than seeking pleasure. The schools are teaching children that their adult future is hedonism, and sadly it will be a very costly lesson.
Sex is where God creates the world.
hmmmmm. you give too much credence to sex
@@papadan3 What would be "enough?"
Genesis 1: In the beginning...
God created heaven & earth. And God said: Let there be light.
@@LadyJane29030 He said "creates" not "created". You are missing the point. Men and women stop having sex, no children, no world...
@@polemeros God fashions Adam from dust and then breathes life into him. God continues creation through the sacred union in the womb. People who hate life, hate God. Please pray for us sinners!
I have very mixed feelings about Galloway. Sometimes he's very perceptive and right, at other times a total idiot. Naturally the media only tend to report the latter occasions.
Pope Pizza, is needed asap!
Although, like Francis, is without Keys 2 Restrain the approaching lawless 1
Psalm 73 (DRA)
1 Understanding for Asaph. O God, why hast thou cast us off unto the end: why is thy wrath enkindled against the sheep of thy pasture?
2 Remember thy congregation, which thou hast possessed from the beginning. The sceptre of thy inheritance which thou hast redeemed: mount Sion in which thou hast dwelt.
3 Lift up thy hands against their pride unto the end; see what things the enemy hath done wickedly in the sanctuary.
4 And they that hate thee have made their boasts, in the midst of thy solemnity. They have set up their ensigns for signs,
5 And they knew not both in the going out and on the highest top. As with axes in a wood of trees,
6 They have cut down at once the gates thereof, with axe and hatchet they have brought it down.
7 They have set fire to thy sanctuary: they have defiled the dwelling place of thy name on the earth.
8 They said in their heart, the whole kindred of them together: Let us abolish all the festival days of God from the land.
9 Our signs we have not seen, there is now no prophet: and he will know us no more.
10 How long, O God, shall the enemy reproach: is the adversary to provoke thy name for ever?
11 Why dost thou turn away thy hand: and thy right hand out of the midst of thy bosom for ever?
12 But God is our king before ages: he hath wrought salvation in the midst of the earth.
13 Thou by thy strength didst make the sea firm: thou didst crush the heads of the dragons in the waters.
14 Thou hast broken the heads of the dragon: thou hast given him to be meat for the people of the Ethiopians.
15 Thou hast broken up the fountains and the torrents: thou hast dried up the Ethan rivers.
16 Thine is the day, and thine is the night: thou hast made the morning light and the sun.
17 Thou hast made all the borders of the earth: the summer and the spring were formed by thee.
18 Remember this, the enemy hath reproached the Lord: and a foolish people hath provoked thy name.
19 Deliver not up to beasts the souls that confess to thee: and forget not to the end the souls of thy poor.
20 Have regard to thy covenant: for they that are the obscure of the earth have been filled with dwellings of iniquity.
21 Let not the humble be turned away with confusion: the poor and needy shall praise thy name.
22 Arise, O God, judge thy own cause: remember thy reproaches with which the foolish man hath reproached thee all the day.
23 Forget not the voices of thy enemies: the pride of them that hate thee ascendeth continually.
I was like Katherine , thinking George was no longer Catholic , so was refreshing to know as been a big fan of him the last 20 years and never heard him reveal anything about his religious beliefs until now .
P.S. “the bishops”. I think British bishops have created a prison for themselves because they have reduced Ecumenism to an exercise in putting politeness to those you disagree with before pronouncing Catholic Truth….very “English” ….but not most Bishops in other countries.
When people say gospel they generally my selective interpretation of scripture
yes social justice is leftist and not just
Why does Mark always look like he is suppressing laughter?
Trump loves ivf
Come on chap(esse)s. You should not be wondering on air what George Galloway thinks about abortion. You should do your homework prior to the broadcast. If you had, you would know that George Galloway is strongly anti-abortion. Indeed, he has been strongly-criticised in left-wing circles for his pro-life stance.
“I’m strongly against abortion. I believe life begins at conception, and therefore unborn babies have rights. I think abortion is immoral.” (Source: “George Galloway: It’s not easy being Gorgeous”, 2004)
Thank you. That’s very encouraging.. I accept your encouragement to do homework, and of course agreed completely, but there’s only so much time in the day and sometimes we have to go off instinct as well as information. Having said that, off to do more homework!
Will Catholicism be as politically useful for Mr Galloway as it has been for Mr Biden? Both have met the Pope. I assume good faith in each case.
Good point, i.e. Biden meeting the Pope. I suppose that makes Biden an exemplar Catholic?
Galloway strikes me as a charlatan but, undoubtedly, he adds to the gaiety of the nation despite his love of dictators and his hatred of Israel. The interview does touch on abortion and euthanasia but the crew seem to have missed this.
Spot on comments about the English and Welsh bishops and social teaching. Salford is the worst offender.
As you should know Catholic Teaching as well as religious observant Jews are against the formation of the Zionist state which like Islam has expanded using coercion and violence. Are you for this?
Israel exists. A small number of observant Jews reject Zionism but not most. I wasn't aware that Catholic Social Teaching was opposed to the establishment of a Jewish state but, as I said, Israel exists. It has diplomatic relations with the Holy See. Galloway will not even speak or debate with Israelis, so his animus appears to be deeper than opposition to Zionism. @berrowboy
I wonder if he has read the Vatican II declaration on the Jews?
@@Denis.Collins Israel is quite able to defend itself by waging a normal war. Hatred of Jews is another matter.
Davipiyananva piyaa kara ganna admgaa viyavsthavata yanna sivagaa viyavsthaavan ivath vanna mava saha davi piyanan bihi kala ammai davi piyananuei kara ganna aya admgaa viya vsthavai
Of course the bishops lack faith. Are you willing to be crucified or not? How many apostles were killed? 1 in 12 or 11 in 12?
Yes, and Peter denied Christ three times. There is something special about God's love, mercy, and forgiveness, which Jesus asked us to extend to others.
Is George Galloway pro-life?
I'm so surprised 😮😮 listen to Galloway at Rochdale the other day!!! Be careful with him (he is full of .........).🫣🫣