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Why More Jedi Didn't Use Double-Bladed Lightsabers
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The Non-Canon Expert explains why more Jedi didn't use double-bladed lightsabers, describing why the Jedi Order frowned upon their use given their connection with the Sith and the devastating actions taken by a fallen Jedi named Exar Kun. Further, he will explain why double-bladed lightsabers conflicted with the Jedi Order's philosophy of lightsaber combat.
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It would be quite the missed opportunity to not give Rey a double bladed lightsaber, she seems to be more skilled with a staff than she is with a single saber.
KikBlava She's Feminist propaganda
KikBlava not to mention the stigma against double bladed sabers probably died out with the old Jedi Order
KikBlava not to mention the stigma against double bladed sabers probably died out with the old Jedi Order
It could work if she develops a defensive style based on counters like Darth Zannah, but that requires quite extensive training and considering that she, will have to act in combat situations, before her training is finished a single saber style combined with a more aggressive style, that builds on her experience with her staff. Also fghting with a staff is fundamentally different to fighting with a staffsaber, simply because you can grab a staff everywhere. She could learn to enhance her staff with the force to make it resistant to lightsabers, but that would take more time to learn than she probably has, if it is a difficult technique, there are no sources about how long it would take to learn and correct me if I´m wrong, but only one Jedi used to fight this way, ironically it was Exar Kun´s master and we know how that turned out. After all the most practical thing would be to learn to fight with a normal lightsaber and then expand when she is competent with that.
hmmm if i remember the comic rightly Kun was trapped on Yavin 4 after a failed attempts at making himself more powerfull we already know how powerfull Rey is it could be intresting if shes able to make contact with Kuns ghost and learn from him.
also mandalorian war droids need to come back.
"In combat, your mind tries to keep track of each blade separately, effectively doubling the number of possibilities. But the two blades are connected: by knowing the location of one, you are automatically aware of the location of the other. In actual practice, the double-bladed lightsaber is more limited than the traditional lightsaber. It can do more damage, but it is less precise. It requires longer, sweeping movements that don't transition well into a quick stab or thrust. Because the weapon is difficult to master, however, few among the Jedi - or even the Sith - understand it. They don't know how to attack or defend effectively against it. That gives those of us who use it an advantage over most of our opponents."
-Blademaster Kas'im
The best advantage is using one blade and activating the second in a bind
@@hellothere5344 maybe. but the long handle might be a bit unwieldy :)
(ok, I only know Mauls dualblade - are other models shorter? don't know :) )
@@momokochama1844 ah but you see, hands further apart give you more control over the blade and keeps your wrists from coming in contact with each other.
@@momokochama1844 gives you more leverage so when in a bladelock in a duel you can force their own saber on them.
Just because you know where the second blade is doesn't mean you're fast enough to react.😁
The Jedi think everything leads to the Dark Side. You can spit on the ground and The Jedi would preach how spitting on the ground is bad and how it leads to the Dark Side.
King Leo XVII but why would you spit on the ground!? You dirty Sith!
(that's why the Order failed in its way)
(that's why the jedi 'must end' in the new sequel)
King Leo XVII missing your mom=future sith
Better to be sith and fellow the dark side
sithis=the sith god and creator of the siths. skyrim and star wars are connected :O
Bane: "So, using a double-bladed lightsaber gives you an advantage?"
Kas'im: "No. But you think it does, so the effect is the same."
Question answered.
I love that scene
Jedi: Let Sith have all the cool shit, we will just pretend we are right.
lmao
+Lop Lee The jedi are just a group of self righteous religious zealots lmao. "hurr hurr the evil guy made a better light saber lets never use it because reasons"
+Lop Lee Not sure you are mocking the weeaboo or mocking the Jedi
+MK2 Just happen to be a double saber, which is a minority that stand out amount the conventional mono saber, but logic dictates there are more Sith that uses the mono saber than double, so... let's not use any of them, sense the conventional mono saber serves even more as an evil symbol. Andddd... the Sith are force users too, the bullshit is strong in this one.
True, but it was possible to activate just one blade at a time in many saberstaves. The blades tended to be longer than a standard lightsaber too, so there were options in regards to how it was used.
Plus if you cut the handle in half, they were designed as such that you could still use at least one of the blades due to having two kyber crystals (as seen with darth maul)
Okay so what DOESN'T lead to the dark side or what isn't forbidden in the Old Jedi Order?
lisa booker Good question.
The high ground.
I mean, the Jedi Order is SO uptight!!! How do they expect for anyone to like them with their strict guidelines and their usual, "Thou is holier than thou" attitude?
anything the represents quickly obtained power or advantage pretty much. But they soon realize that advantage could help them keep the peace. Look at Mace Windu's dark side saber technique or Plo Kuun's force judgement, which is a weaker force lighting.
To me the force is a loaded gun. It isn't good or evil, it's the person who uses said loaded gun
the jedi order forbids double bladed lightsaber yet every temple guard carries one.
Chris C. And about a third of jedi Knights.
Chris C. they did not forbid it, it was just discouraged and frowned upon.
LousyAlex, yet they have all their guards who protect the temple using them.
The jedi order has a problem with forbiding everything.
*Yoda* ''Different, that is.''
Exar Kun's double-bladed lightsaber was special because it still had a regular hilt, which made it look like a single-bladed lightsaber. Darth Maul's lightsaber on the other hand was basically just two lightsabers welded together. Which did provide the advantage of still functioning after being cut in half, since it had two crystals and two power sources.
The strict adherence to the discouragement of anything Dark Side related by the Jedi can ultimately be seen as a self-inflicted blindness towards anything that clashed with their ideology. When the Dark Side did rise, the Jedi were unprepared. Maul proved this when he destroyed two Jedi with ease and only failed because of his arrogance. His aggressive Form VII style and use of a double-bladed lightsaber proved too much for Qui-Gon Jinn and Obi-Wan, whose Forms were geared more towards deflecting blaster fire and dealing with groups of enemies.
That's EXACTLY what made *Exar Kun's* lightsaber one-of-a-kind. It didn't resemble the common staff design like most double-bladed sabers had, and all those who were killed by it NEVER expected the weapon to have two blades, which gave *Kun* the element of surprise against his opponents. After *Kun's* time, no one has been able to create a saber like his due to it's incredibly complex design.
Obi Wans form 3 was the reason why he was chosen to fight Grievous because his defenses with a saber
Perhaps the Jedi feel that double-bladed lightsabers are as much a danger to the wielder than those being fought by them. Wouldn't using two single bladed lightsabers do as well without such cumbersomeness? Besides, wouldn't the staff like double-bladed lightsabers inhibit the movement ranged by single bladed lightsabers?
Qui Gon used form 4 like yoda/Ashoka though it's hardly obvious in the TPM.
What? Qui-Gon Jinn was a master of Ataru and taught it to Obi-Wan. That form is NOT effective against blasterfire, and it's definitely NOT effective against groups of enemies; it's quite the opposite in fact.
It is effective at soloing opponents, which was perfect for the duel against Darth Maul. The reason why Qui-Gon lost is that he was old. Ataru fatigued him due to the forms commitment to force enhancing the body to maintain speed and rotation.
A lightsaber staff would actually be perfect for this form, as the extra blade would offset the weakness to being outnumbered. Also, more blades makes an already fast form even faster. The perfect tool for such a cool lightsaber form.
lasers are red, the death star is round, it's over Anakin I have the high ground. Thank you Thank you!
"Ya see young padawons, Jedi dont use double bladed light sabers because it's rather barbaric, and extra cruel. It was created to be a more effective weapon offensively. But us Jedi are humane, and only require 1 blade when in battle. On that note, today's lesson is on fatal strikes, our first technique is called, Decapitate. If you take a look here, Master Windu gives us a great example as he executes this strike flawlessly on Jango Fett in front of his 8 year old son. Now if he had done that with 2 blades I'd be worried for that child, the trauma if that would be astronomical compared to 1 blade
Ingenious comment
Thank you for bringing this to my attention everyone. Just a quick correction: Exar Kun's Jedi Master's name was Vodo-Siosk Baas, not Vodo-Siosk Droma. Exar Kun's Sith apprentice was Ulic Qell-Droma. Not sure what happened there, but I'll make sure the Non-Canon Expert tightens it up next time. Thank you again everyone!
And wreak is pronounced "reek"
Y doesn't ur moms use double side lightsabers?
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Step 1 - Sellotape two together
Step 2 - Four bladed lightsaber boom.
DrearyPlane8 u mean like glaives? fidget spinner light saber?
Tengku Aliff Sounds good, bit how about lightsaber shurikens or throwing knives, guided by the Force?
DrearyPlane8 Step 3: Give four of these to General Grievous.
9-bladed lightsaber.
best thing ever.
PrimalTheEmperor (primal9000) Take a bicycle wheel and replace every spoke with a lightsaber blade
Some of these people's names in Star Wars sound like medicine or disease
Kiersten Dawson ya
ive contracted typed 3 exarcoon
koon
Jar jar binks sounds like a Eyes that cant stop blinking
Đarth Corona
+Star Wars Reading Club What if Ferus Olin never left the Jedi Order?
What if Yoda killed Palpatine during the Duel in the Senate?
What if Mace Windu killed Dooku on Geonosis?
What if the Empire destroyed Dantooine instead of Alderaan?
What if the Jedi Order as a whole entered the Mandalorian Wars?
What if Galen Marek survived the duel on the Death Star?
What if the Empire never discovered the Rebel Base on Hoth?
JediAcolyte22 Yoda dueled Palpatine in Palpatine?
Lelouch Vi Britannia he is the senate
Why were the Jedi such hypocrites?
There is one weapon far more powerful than the lightsaber, which is the sandsaber
maistromann Way overused pun.
Tell that to Darth Vader when he's force choking you, and you don't have a sandsaber
It can only be wielded from the high ground.
TrajanCaesar the sand must be coarse, rough, and irritating
TrajanCaesar the sandsaber wielded on the high ground by Darth Jar Jar is the stuff of Vader's nightmares.
Sith: breaths
Old Jedi order: BREATHING LEADS TO THE DARK SIDE!!
maybe they saw a vision of darth vader lol
How did the Jedi Temple Guards come to widely use their short yellow double bladed light saber?
because their training allows them to develop a better sense of self control. Keep in mind that Force users feels Emotions more intensely than your average person. Also Emotions are directing tied to the force intensely.
Sean Cantrell Force users have stronger emotions than normal people? Are you sure about that?
I say it is better to say Force sensitives are better at feeling emotions of themselves and others thanks to the Force. Perhaps a kind of feedback loop develops as the emotions get projected into the Force then sensed by the Force sensitive. Thus they receive a larger emotional rush then most people. But the emotions are otherwise the same. Could explain why the Jedi were so distrustful of emotions and Force users can become drunk on and addicted to powerful emotions.
They were also designed & trained to Arrest/Hold or Kill Dark Jedi or Jedi accused of a Crime
Though if it was anywhere outside of the Temples or Jedi Outposts, most likely the Jedi Shadows would go out & hunt their targets
Shadows are borderline dark jedi that the Order approves of
Exactly what I was thinking.
Jaro Tapal: Trust only in the force.
Also Jaro Tapal:
Also his Padawan:
Nice line of thinking Jedi. Let's apply that to our world: Hitler used jet airplanes, therefore jets are evil, therefore we must stick to propeller driver airplanes. Yeah, no faulty logic there.
PongoXBongo Americans did move away from certain practices because of the Nazis though. Fictional universes are still written by humans who use actual history as their source material some times. The swastika is an ancient religious symbol used in Asia and East Africa. Swastikas are outright forbidden in modern Germany and you will likely get side eye for displaying one in the states. Sometimes guilt by association becomes defacto law of the land.
Humans are weird like that, I get it. But Jedi are supposed to "better" than that, above such emotional attachments to material things (at least according to themselves).
+MrRadaikon the first swastika was made on a mammoth tusk during the stone age. and many years later it appeared as a religious symbol in egypt and india.
@@SS_Joker_88-18 many symbols were created long before humans ever used them in a derogatory way. Not surprising in the slightest. It's pretty sad actually a symbol that meant something completely different turned into a horrible symbol of genocide and racism basically...
Bruh
star wars is frinkin 40 years old today! how about that?! :)
Littttttt
LeafgreenSniper well
LeafgreenSniper Bloody heck ... that means ANH came out when I was 3yrs, 3 days, old ... Feel as old as Yoda, I do ...
LeafgreenSniper HOLY SHITES!!!!
ironic that a saberstaff would be better at defending than attacking due to it's limited range of motion
Yeah, I've always felt it would be best suited for performing soresu orbits.
As Darth Zannah used it. She would defend herself and preserve the blade's momentum while she conjured her sorcery.
In my opinion I think it depends on the user .Darth Zannah used it for defense cause she was petite .Bane even references that in the book.He tells her about his style of saber combat and why it wouldn't work for her.I believe he does go into detail about her style being a way to summon force energy while defending against attackers.But I believe she fought with the form she did cause of her size and speed .
its very defensive if you ever played jedi academy multiplayer
@@satella1620 Dual-wielding was the absolute epitome of defense I'm pretty sure.. Saberstaff is more offensive.
The whole premise that two blades somehow give you a greater rate of attack etc. and is actually a superior weapon is totally flawed. Holding a staff like weapon in the middle like that wouldn't give you any advantage in speed, reach, or anything else, all you'd accomplish is severely limit your range of motion because you constantly have to worry about the blade you aren't attacking with hitting you instead.
This is one of those really dumb things where people are basically going on video game logic. In reality the saber staff would be a cumbersome and stupid weapon that would have absolutely no merit, and the reason the Jedi don't use it is because it's just not effective.
The one weapon that would actually have some merit that nobody seems to use is the saber pike, where a single lightsaber sits at the end of a long staff. Spears are actually more effective than swords in a fight, and polearms were the primary melee weapon of war throughout all of history, while swords were more side-arms for personal protection.
Aetrion Wrong. Very wrong...
It's the force that prevents such things.
A very skilled duelist would not even have to worry about cutting off a limb.
Star Wars logic vs real life logic, is veryyy different.
Yes, but being able to avoid cutting off your limbs with the second blade still means you're limiting your range of motion, and you'd still be slower and have less reach holding a weapon that isn't any longer than a regular lightsaber past where you grip it with two hands.
Aetrion That's why weilders go through years of traing not to do so.
You can train for a century and it still wouldn't change the fact that if you're gripping a staff in the middle you don't have the speed, range or freedom of movement of a single saber. The saber staff is simply a nonsense weapon.
Aetrion Not in Star Wars it's not. It is very powerful and extremely useful.
Having used a staff, I always thought double-bladed lightsabers were really dumb. you can't slide your hands down the shaft, which takes away all the real advantages of having a staff
Finaly someone that has thaulght about that
You do realise it's used either as a single blade or two dual wielded sabers until the second blade is needed, right?
Some times I think that the dark side of the force is a drug that gets you addicted once you come off the hippie high of the light side of the force.
Dylan Todd not really, the light side is more of the drug, the darkside is a path to power
dont forget self-destruction
As someone who has trained with actual martial weapons I can say, with absolute certainty, a double bladed lightsaber would be a TERRIBLE idea. The problem is that the lightsaber blade is LETHAL, even when touched with a gentle degree of pressure.
The "staff" design is fine when it's made of wood ... because bumping a piece of wood against your leg or chest causes no harm ... but replace a length of wood with a bar of lightning hot plasma that literally cuts through flesh like a hot knife through butter, and you end up carving life threatening wounds into yourself with casual contact.
EVERY time you strike out with one end of the saber staff, you point the opposite end back TOWARD YOURSELF. If you opponent strikes your staff with enough force, he can EASILY knock it hard enough to bump against you ... turning your attack against your enemy into an attack against yourself. Any time you point your own weapon toward yourself, that's a BAD idea!
...And don't even get me started on reverse-grip sword fighting! Ugh! The idiocy!
Darth Maul did pretty fine with his double-bladed Lightsaber
That's why most jedi and siths alike didn't dare use saberstaff weapons; it required additional training to avoid messing up like this, and even with the force to help you dealing with it, most just can't be bothered investing time for this
I find this so ridiculous. when the british came up against lancers in the battle of waterloo they then made lancer brigades due to their devastating charges. Every time one force came up against a more powerful weapon they'd copy it. examples: gladius, spatha, shield wall, semi-automatic rifles, legionaries, tanks and cavalry.
Well... There´s no reason to not use something superior to what you currently have.
You forgot about atomic bombs
Sssteve Wvvalt who's Trump?
nick Necessity is the mother of invention! 🎤
nick The Jedi are paragons of the light side, which also involves stasis. Its why they sustained a corrupt Republic for 40 000 years, why the Jedi High Council only picked like minded individuals to join them instead of introducing more unorthodox thinkers, why they continued to train as if preparing for the New Sith Wars instead of evolving, why Jedi Sentinels didn't have a master rank (they didn't exist when the temple in Coruscant was founded) and why they stayed in their never changing mountain sanctuary instead of actively engaging with the people of the Republic, just to name a few.
Why is it that nobody in Star Wars knows how to use a double-ended weapon? The correct hand form is hands on opposite sides of the weapon (both thumbs pointed up). This produces a neutral stance with the blades slightly off vertical, which is ideal for blocking. The Sith (Darth Maul, Savage Opress, etc.) always seem to use a '2 hands over' grip (both thumbs to the inside) which puts your neutral position at the horizontal. To block any strike other than a vertical hack you have to cross your arms, which is clumsy.
Because its not designed for defence? As he started... in the video... its a more efficient killing weapon
@@JayF2912 it's way harder to do effective strikes with that grip also. And just because it's designed for attack doesn't mean you should cripple your defense.
In real life with a staff you switch as needed.
I mean,Maul showed no problem using it for defense,in fact,he seems to be an expert at defense,so maybe what you see as 'clumsy' is actually highly effective,and who says he doesn't switch his thumb position when going for other blocks?
The fact that Krell used not one but two saber staffs was the first sign that he would betray the Jedi.
How common was the usage of dual/twin light sabers like Ashoka Tano used?
Like literally every guardian should dual wield lightsabers. Apart from using something else like force power or blaster, there is no reason not dual wield for someone who basically dedicates their life to fighting with lightsabers.
antimatterdragon321 There is no reason for a jedi not to use dual lightsabers, as the force is controlled with the mind, most jedi use their hand motions to help focus, or in the case of mind tricks, to help distract their target's mind. So theoretically, a jedi could force push or pull someone without moving a muscle.
The only reasons for someone to use a single lightsaber would be personal preference or fighting style.
I totally agree with what you said, just thought I should point out that a free hand is not required to use the force, except to help the user focus.
For the same reason most human swordsmen don't carry one in each hand. In addition to all the cut, thrust, and parrying moves sometimes it is useful to switch hands or grip with both. Rarely can a weapon bigger than a dagger be (effectively) used in the off hand. Mostly it only distracts from concentration on the main hand.
I say this as a Veteran with 90th percentile in cavalry sword and short sword.
@@rjonboy7608 people seem to be quick to forget that using two weapons is not twice as hard as a single weapon, its massively harder
@@JayF2912 an unwieldy usually. Ineffective as well. It's more limiting than anything. Take a shield would be better. Or you know a weapon that works against almost everything a blunt object
you basically just spent the whole video repeating the same thing over and over just in slightly different ways. how about the "jedi defector and eventual sith lord, exar kun used a double bladed lightsaber. he was a symbol of jedi failure and to erase their failure from the minds of the people, they discouraged the use of double bladed lightsabers". there, i just saved people a whole bunch of time. perhaps you did this all on purpose though to draw out your video's length?
That would be a terrible video. It would need to be:
"jedi defector and eventual sith lord, exar kun used a double bladed lightsaber. he was a symbol of jedi failure and to erase their failure from the minds of the people, they discouraged the use of double bladed lightsabers"
"jedi defector and eventual sith lord, exar kun used a double bladed lightsaber. he was a symbol of jedi failure and to erase their failure from the minds of the people, they discouraged the use of double bladed lightsabers"
"jedi defector and eventual sith lord, exar kun used a double bladed lightsaber. he was a symbol of jedi failure and to erase their failure from the minds of the people, they discouraged the use of double bladed lightsabers"
"jedi defector and eventual sith lord, exar kun used a double bladed lightsaber. he was a symbol of jedi failure and to erase their failure from the minds of the people, they discouraged the use of double bladed lightsabers"
"jedi defector and eventual sith lord, exar kun used a double bladed lightsaber. he was a symbol of jedi failure and to erase their failure from the minds of the people, they discouraged the use of double bladed lightsabers"
"jedi defector and eventual sith lord, exar kun used a double bladed lightsaber. he was a symbol of jedi failure and to erase their failure from the minds of the people, they discouraged the use of double bladed lightsabers"
"jedi defector and eventual sith lord, exar kun used a double bladed lightsaber. he was a symbol of jedi failure and to erase their failure from the minds of the people, they discouraged the use of double bladed lightsabers"
"jedi defector and eventual sith lord, exar kun used a double bladed lightsaber. he was a symbol of jedi failure and to erase their failure from the minds of the people, they discouraged the use of double bladed lightsabers"
"jedi defector and eventual sith lord, exar kun used a double bladed lightsaber. he was a symbol of jedi failure and to erase their failure from the minds of the people, they discouraged the use of double bladed lightsabers"
Don't watch him then.
Jennifer Brewer people like you are so ignorant and stupid it’s laughable. Just because a person is criticizing someones content, doesn’t mean they shouldn’t watch it anymore. Grow up would you.
The craziest thing to me was that point pong krell dual wielded lightsaber staffs. Like I'm sure him having 4 arms helped him to done degree but still seems like it would take decades to master.
why did the temple guards use double blade lightsabers if it is was frowned upon by the jedi
Maybe they were meant to be the Jedi version of riot sticks? They do have very short blades. Although that still wouldn't explain two blades.
Honestly, a double-bladed lightsaber just makes no sense. There's a reason that double-bladed longswords didn't exist historically.
The Lightsaber Pikes were used because of their symbolism. The blades represent the eternal flame of the Jedi Order and the vigilance of it's protector (the Jedi Temple Guard)
@@drogadepc Typical Jedi hypocrisy.
@@matthewmuir8884 Double bladed longswords are ineffective,yes,however,weapons with blades made that can cut through almost anything,infinitely more deadly than a double bladed longsword
What about the Temple Guards? They used lightstaff in their ranks as common weapon.
Szymon Brandys they used a light spear with one side lighting up , not a double bladed as far as I remembered
Jon Fesi theirs were absolutely double bladed sabers
@@kayos60005 Lightsaber Pikes and they do have two blades
They were waiting for the model that spins like a helicopter
I would use a lightsabers like Exar Kun's. With practice in Soresu the standard length hilt and dual-phased blades would offer great defensive coverage and flexibility.
In honor of Exar Kun I actually built my own wood blade custom PVC handle lightsaber that is modeled after his in Inspiration when it comes to the size of the handle. And I will tell you this. It is very tiring to work with that thing
Interesting is the fact that in her confrontation with Revan. Bastila uses a single blade. However, after her confrontation with Revan and she is found by Revan on Taris, she is equipped with a double blade. Heh....looks like Revan corrupted her way before Malak did. lol...
Talk about a bit of a quirk....and Bastila always harping and harping about the Dark Side.
Jedi: Double bladed lightsabers bad
Pong Krell: Laughs
Jaro Tapal: also laughs
New drinking game. Take a shot every time he says double bladed lightsaber.
Well, there´s a rather simple explanation to it(according to Drew Kapyshyns book "Dart Bane"): A swordstaff doesn´t only hold advantages. In fact, against a trained a capable swordman you are most likely in a disadvantage. While the flurry of attacks can overwhelm the unprepared at first, once the enemy has figured out that both blades are connected the tables will turn. The position of one blade will always determine the position of the other blade, thus making the weapon a lot more predictable. On top of that your actual moveset with a double-bladed lightsaber is greatly limited as a lot of maneuvers you can pull of with a single blade would end up slicing yourself in half. Also, the weapon itself is vulnerable and the long handle a prime target for enemy swordstrikes, if it gets hit it may get destroyed or the sword is getting turned into two swords, forcing you to suddenly adapt you style, if you are even remotely as good with a single blade or dual wielding.
In the book there´s a rivalry between Bane and a Zabrak at the academy they are attending. What I have said above is basically the gist of what master Kas´im who is pretty much the most talented swordfighter at the time tells Bane about the weapon his rival is using.
I still have that book. It's a good one.
You can just use one blade and then two too switch it up
They frowned upon dual-bladed lightsabers but all the Jedi Temple Guards used them.
I sure hope they bring Exar Kun back into canon. He's much like Revan, in that both characters had a fundamental impact on the times they lived in. They made eras of Star Wars storytelling their's and it would be weird to see them replaced by others. If Kun's era changes too much in its make-up in the canon continuity, then alright, introduce new characters. I'd be somewhat miffed by that, but I could understand it. I would at least like some references then, though. You gotta pay some respect to Legends.
Great video as always, but one small correction: the name is Vodo-Siosk Baas, not Vodo-Siosk Droma. You mixed him up with Ulic Qel-Droma.
ImperialistOpinions probably not. Disney are too busy building shitty characters like Rey and Ezra and getting rid of old continuity with its well developed and meaningful characters.
RIP: SW Republic Commandos; Force unleashed; KOTOR; TOR; Galaxies.
ImperialistOpinions i
@Connor Broom The brought Thrawn back didnt they. The only stuff that sucks is the new trilogy and everything connected to it. Apart from that it is not that bad.
What of Fredon Naad? His spirit taught Exar Kun, didn't he?
I have one thing to say. Every single Jedi Temple Guard ever.
IRL Staff techniques are more than enough. One of the big advantages of polearms is the ability to move in sections and improve your reach. The double-bladed lightsaber limits you to the center portion of the weapon which defeats the purpose.
@4:19 lol you said vodo-siosk droma I'm pretty sure it was vodo-siosk bos or vos and KUNS apprentice was named droma, ullric kel droma pretty sure but love the videos man keep up the good work!
"Exposé" really isn't the best word
Melo dave he's used it for almost every video he's posted. it's a bit too late.
I know, I'm trying to stop the madness.
Melo dave it’s so fucking annoying
A "staff" so to speak, has always tended to be a weapon of defense. Historically it has been seen as a gentle weapon, elegant as well as a tool integrated well enough that even a traveler could use one for walking. That said, I guess the view does change a bit when both ends of the staff can now cut you into pieces. Kinda changes up its view as a "gentle weapon of defense" lol
double- bladed lightsabers are the physical embodiment of "higher skill floor higher skill ceiling"
You missed something Thrawn, What about the temple guardians? Who ALL utilized a double bladed yellow lightsaber
Didn't bastila shan have a double bladed lightsaber?
Awes0meGamingNetw0rk I think it was her daughter satele shan
Larry Smith oh yea right its been a while since I've play swtor thx for reminding me Larry Smith
Bastila did have one, a yellow one, the color associated with her status as a jedi sentinel
Bastila had one too, a yellow one because she was a jedi sentinel. Posted twice because i wasn't sure if it would notify both other participants in this conversation
@@larrysmith2485 more like great great great grand daughter
If I remember right double lightsaber form is form 7 That could fuel into the dark side of the force that is why master yoda wanted standard light sabers ,not temple guards since they are grey jedi
You're thinking of the Vapad variation of form VII, created by mace windu. Normal form VII isn't nearly as dark
I really love how bane was able to overcome his teachers, fellow students and his apprentice's saber staff's, with the realization that u only have to know where 1 blade is at u know where the other one will be.
Double bladed lightsaber is really hard to be mastered, unlike the single bladed one
Yes, however once mastered it is a deadly weapon
Is it possible for a DBL to use 2 different colours as I don't think I have ever seen one??
No, unless it was a pair of single bladed light sabers that could be attached together a la Ventress.
There was someone who did that I think, one red and one shorter, green.
Isak Pålsson Yeah there was but only one could be ignighted at a time.
Isak Pålsson His name, was Darth Krayt.
At 9:00 min mark the one with the bone like mask on the left
I’d use a saberstaff, it would be able to split in two, and i would be able to have only one blade active if I choose. There would be a little button in the middle that could activate both blades. The color would also be either a deep forest green or a beautiful emerald green.
Now, as someone who both owns and has fought with a saberstaff. In real life, it's a tricky weapon to get used to. In lore however, it has several features we do not have and it's THOSE, I think, that turn it into a truly devastating weapon that Exar Kun is known for.
First of all, it didn't just have two blades, it have multiple power settings and blade lengths for both blades, as well as being able to activate either of the blades as well as both, and it's the way Exar mixed all these things around that gives the staff it's true power. Take it one step further and add in a coupler and you give yourself access to even more options; Let's say we have a staff. Both blades have a normal, long and short setting and this can be changed on the fly as well as turning on or off each blade and disconnecting the weapon into 2 sabers.
1. Turn one blade into long mode and the other off with both handles together, you've got a greatsword. Play the reach game and keep your opponent back. If your weapon is constructed right, they might not even be able to tell it's a staff. point your "pommel" at them as you wind back for a swing and turn on your second blade in long mode for a suprise attack!
2. tight space? Turn one blade into short mode, disconect handles and store one on your belt. You've got a fast and agile weapon that'll fuction well where a normal lightsaber will struggle with space.
3. Both blades on, mid size, handles connected; the classic saberstaff. Keep it in motion and spinning to distract lesser experianced foes with the blades before striking. Turn blades on and off when you need to sweep it through your body or for suprise attacks.
4. Spilt blades, both mid sized. You've basicly got eskrima sticks. use faints and bluffs to work your blades past your opponents guard. Start a slash with one blade and then the other, pick one to follow through with.
5. Split hilts, one normal one short; rapier and dagger combination. One tempo reposts a-plenty and a weapon for both long and short. Keep switching the sides around if you're ambidexrous, which you should be to some extent if you're using two weapons.
6. Put it all together. Your opponent starting to react to your sequences? Switch it up! Unless they've studied all these different styles like you have (a lot of extra work, but no-one said using the staff was easy) you'll find one that they can't deal with.
Who's the blue guy with red eyes he always shows
Grand Admiral Thrawn
He uses thrawn’s face .. as his avatar so you get a lot of that face staring at you for no reason
Angel Contreras it’s him
Jon Fesi It bothers me too
Why does this guys voice sound so weird?...He's talking and moaning at the same time lol...Listen closely.
Chris have you been smoking something?
Bruh I feel you 😂 dude low key groaning at the end of every phrase
sped up by 1.25x sounds better
Sssteve Wvvalt lol kek fuck outta here boi
I've been thinking the same thing. he has no confidence in his voice it's almost like he's in school reading his paper to the class
[Something cool exists.]
Jedi: this is forbidden....
One additional weakness that's really notable: since you constantly need to mind the end that's on YOUR side, you can't control the direction of the one that's on your opponent's side as well.
Also since you can't close the gap with your saber, you don't have as much raw leverage, so you're less flexible and can use less force.
So to compensate for all of the drawbacks, you need to CONSTANTLY be on the move, and use flair to confuse and fool your opponent.
This might be why it's so frowned upon by the order, it is not a weapon that you can really be "fair" with.
Kun's old Jedi-Master's name was Vodo-Siosk Baas, not Droma. Love your channel, just had to check you on that
Why didn't anyone use shields?
They are pretty useless in a universe where laser guns and lightsabers, which are powerful enough to cut through most metals like butter, exist. The very few materials that can resist such power, like Mandalorian iron, for example, were too rare and too expensive to be feasible for constructing lightsaber-resistant shields.
Sword with shield is a better tactic than sword alone, so your question is a good one. Actually, Darth Desolus did indeed use a saber/shield combo, as did his disciples. There are a handful of materials that are completely immune to lightsabers and blaster bolts, such as phrik, mandalorian iron/beskar, and cortosis. But even then, making such a shield would be very expensive and time-consuming! If one could actually do it, they should.
I think that lightsaber duel was something extremely rare at the time of the movies and some time before.
It could happened only with main characters or in a fights versus Grievous. Most of the jedi does not ever encounter another LS-user in a real fight. Never in their entire lives. They do mostly some diplomatic missions, sometimes fighting vs dozen of droids or single bounty hunter. And that's all. So they don't need to carry such complicated hard-to-learn weapon as double-bladed LS, which is designed to dominate in fights versus single-bladed LS-user.
They are also unwieldy in confined spaces which is almost everywhere inside spaceships, stations and buildings and they require extra level of mastery to use them efficinetly in such small spaces. Jedi also rarely fought alone which once again required extra caution while using these, both from user and his partner to not accidentally slash or be accidentally slashed by it during combat. Sith faced same problem with confined spaces but they had nothing against killing hence why they went that extra mile to train with saber-staffs... but after Bane and his "reform" of the order they worked from shadows and from behind the scene and it is harder to concealed carry longer hilt for the staff (you can't wear long robes on all planets without sticking out from the crowd)... there is also problem with training after Bane because if master didn't use it, the student had to rely on self study becasue there was noone around to teach it which adds yet another extra mile to master saber-staff.
At 4:18 do you mean Vodo-Siosk Baas? Not Vodo-Siosk Droma.
Okay you convinced me I'll leave a like but only for the dark holocron.
"jedi master pong krell"
Yeah that lasted about as long as his speech.
I'd make a saber staff that could split into two lightsabers with the press of a button. I'd study Juyo, Jarkai, and Niman to work with the weapon in the fused and split forms as well as a single lightsaber if one is destroyed.
You sir just predicted one of key mechanic of star wars Jedi the fallen order
I have a question what about Jedi temple guards they use double bladed lightsabers ...
Stoner thoughts: doesn't seem like the Sith statistically have the more creative lightsabers than the Jedi?
Lucasfilm used this to explain a contradiction in the Thrawn Trilogy. They mention a "Clone Rebellion" in those books which was originally supposed to be a reference to the Clone Wars. Lucasfilm later said the Clone Rebellion was the Rebellion in Battlefront 2 to fix this error. Pretty clever.
Someone really needs to make a video of like 50 different Videos from him just with the "IN THIS VIDEO EXPOSÉ I WILL SHOW YOU..."
If the Jedi spent less time saying, "X leads to the dark side" and more time helping people, the Star Wars galaxy would be a better place.
Hello there...
You know what's so funny about me with this subject? I thought for a good while it was because the design's flaws made many steer clear from it. I thought the flaws involved the device being prone to having malfunctions or safety concerns arise because of people realizing the possible accidents resulting from people using it or carrying it on a daily basis.
(A person using the saber with one beam on, but suddenly the other side would turn on because of they or some other thing done something to turn on the other beam, when they didn't anticipated it. Then there was the debacle of the on switch. I am pretty sure Jedi have to be mindful of avoiding putting their weapon near things that could manage pressing the switches when they are not in use, even if they have already have them designed to protect it, like Luke's. You had to watchful of two buttons. With a light saber staff you have to watch out for two buttons on both sides.Then you add in the fact not every Jedi creates their devices the same way including the switch designs. One guy might've had like two switches on both sides of a light staff. (one designated for one beam to be turned on, while the other turns both simultaneously)
I don't know how I came up with this explanation or where it came from. I just thought this for a long time. haha.
Real reason why there weren't many double-bladed lightsabers: Oops! I have cut myself in half.
Darth Pong Krell would've been amazing!
I hate double bladed lightsabers. My reason for it is mostly personal as I have an interest in historical weaponry. A single blade is a concept that makes sense and has historical comparison to real swords. A double bladed lightsaber has no historical comparison and doesn't practically work. Why you ask? It's very simple. Any real martial technique using a pole weapon utilizes reach and full length of the weapon. This requires the wielder to move their grip along the full length of the shaft. If a double bladed lightsaber restricts to user's grip to the center of the weapon, reach is not utilized and therefore the weapon is not practical. If it was practical, there would be double bladed swords throughout medieval history. Outside of a few rare concepts that were never widely used, you will find no comparison.
Be careful when comparing swords to lightsabers tho, as there are a few important tidbits to keep into consideration as well :P
Mainly how Lightsabers don't require much strength or leverage in the swing because of their ludicrous cutting power, and that they are actually very light weapons. All the weight would be in the handle, as opposed to being spread out across the entire weapon.
This means that certain things that could never work in any practical sense with normal martial weapons might become feasible with lightsaber weapons.
If I can tip my hat in this half-year old thing. What the person above said is true, all the weight is in the hilt and not spread through the blade plus you can cut from any angle because it's pretty much one whole cutting surface.
But the main purpose of the weapon isn't reach. It's about optimizing attack speed and defense rate in close quarters requiring a specialized combat style and unique mastering of said style. When using a saberstaff, you are going in with the mindset of instinct and quick flurries, not much room for thought and relying on muscle memory as well as the mythical Jedi/Sith abilities of predicting enemy movements.
Optimally, you'll be letting off a flurry of blows that'll throw off and overpower your opponents before they can even think of a strategy. Attack first and attack fast. But even if you fail to kill your opponent in the first onslaught, you have better defensive capabilities to keep yourself afloat in time for an escape or a means to turn the tide of the battle.
Exept for the entirety of the defensive temple guards.
I'd argue the association with the Sith and Exar Kuun is not the only reason why Jedi rarely used double-bladed lightsabers. There are some combat moves that can be done with a single-bladed lightsaber that cannot be done with a double-bladed one. Consider how attempting a simple slash from right to left perpendicular to the torso with a double-bladed lightsaber would cut your self in half with the back blade.
Two pieces of friendly advice: stop calling your video's 'video exposé', even if technically true it sounds a bit pretentious and gets annoying after watching two videos in a row. Another gripe I have is with how you keep cutting back to the same low resolution crop of your channel thumbnail, it is just not something visually pleasing to look at for more than a few seconds. Other than that, you make some pretty good content, keep it up!
Friendly piece of advice 2.0:
The repetitiveness of the word exposé tends to get stale, why not use some of its synonyms?
(revelation, disclosure, exposure, report, feature, piece, column)
Also, have you ever considered using a higher resolution image of Thrawn? Why the use of the low res image?
Keep up the good work!
pretty sure his use of expose is just his own preference, i think it's more sophisticated and nicer sounding. as for the image, he probably just really likes the picture. it is his channel after all, there's no real reason for advice if it's his preference and something as irrelevant as a picture or video name.
video expose is his standard intro, it adds uniformity across his videos, & an intro is very standard across many many content creators, the thrawn image Is SWRC/the non canon expert, it represents him and acts as his avatar in this medium, that also is something very common across many content creators, & neither of those things have any reason to change
You know when he stopped saying the word "exposé", many fans of the channel started to make comments starting with "in this video exposé". This is his tag line, it may a tad annoying but it is part of the charm of the channel, and it means we are going to enjoy a good Legends based episode.
who cares; just ignore it lol
right or wrong; good opinion or bad opinion;
who cares lol; his videos are interesting, informative & he talks a lot about the more 'niche' things/lore within star wars
Yeah, the more you see, the more incompetent the order is...
Imagine yoda using his 4th stance with 2 duel sabers!!!!
I can totally rave to that!
Toss me a binky I'm in for da lght show!
Saberstaves comes with disadvantages as well. The range of movement is limited so you don't cut yourself. That's why you rely so much on acrobatics to move around or just simply block with the rear saber. A vertical overhead slash is practically impossible as the reas saber would impale yourself.
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I read the comment about if the lightsaber is struck on one end the other end toward the user could rebound and inflict injury to the user. Logical and sound argument. The answer is to use the lightsaber as a single blade long hafted weapon, then strike with the unlit side, suddenly lit in a surprise attack. Be smart with its use. And it can be just as effective as single bladed saber, but with a surprise in store for the cocky or inexperienced opponent.
The sith’s scientists! We heard you wanted to add more lightsaber to lightsabers
A sith person: yes, do-it (palpatine’s do-it)
Jedi: we knowledge and peace people, one lightsaber is enough.
A lot of the reason was also the difference in traditional weapon sets. The Jedi came from a culture which favored swords for melee while the Sith were more bladed-staff weapon oriented and illustrations of them from before lightsaber days often show them with those double-naginata like weapons or blade-flanged maces instead of just swords.
Ancient Jedi on the other hand are almost always shown carrying a katana (which makes sense considering how knights are identified with swords more than any other weapon).
Thanks, this was a very informative and helpful video!
I've always been attracted the the Double bladed lightsaber. In fact if I were a Jedi I would construct a double-bladed lightsaberpike. It would have longer than average hilt length, maybe three-four feet, and be constructed using cortosis alloy to prevent damage during lightsaber duels. the blades would also be removable from the ends of the hilt and useable as sepreat entities for single or duel wielding. the hilts could also be combined to make a standard length double bladed lightsaber for use in more confined spaces.
I would like to point out that Kirby, the gumball of dreams and smiles, uses a double bladed lightsaber
How long does a standard lightsaber charge/powercell last? Could you discuss the potential power draw factors for lightsabers with more than one blade? And could you discuss the possible/known methods to charging a lightsaber power cell?
One thing I don't get, you know the inquisitor lightsaber? The one that spun with two blades but had the glaring weakness in the handle. Why didn't they just put mandalorian iron as a basket guard for that? It would make it even harder to face.
I don't see how people can say double bladed light sabers have more disadvantages. They can be used as both a single saber or double bladed all throughout the battle anytime. Just retract one side in and have the opponent think it's a single saber and when you have the advantage ignite the other end to catch them off guard. Such as in SWTOR movie clip when hey are in the hanger.
Double-Bladed Lightsabers master race!!
A Double Bladed Lightsaber was very Hard to make. Not only do you need 2 Crystals but you also have to choose your Saber Design but also you had to master a SaberStaffs Combat and already using a Saberstaff is more suited for Fighting two enemy’s as seen in TPM from Maul.
What about the temple guard you frequently used them
One detail that might not be described in universe but is very obvious: A single blade lightsaber is dangerous to it's wielder (to the extent that it s claimed that only forceusers can employ them effectively), a double bladed lightsaber would be even more dangerous to it's wielder, hence it would take more training to be able to employ the weapon safely, which I believe is the reason we don't see more of them. For the Jedi it would mean dedicating more time on "warrior" training, and for the sith I think their training doctrines are the reason we don't see many double bladed lightsabers: plenty make them and gets themselves killed with it in training duels.
There were be no stopping me in taking a saberstaf as a Jedi. Like I'd take that shit the moment I got into the Academy. Fucking love those.
I'm really surprised you did not speak to how the Jedi Sentinels all welded yellow double bladed lightsabers... not unlike Exact Kun.. or when the sentinel tradition of using these saber staves began. (see Star Wats Rebels visit to the Jedi temple on lothal.)