My Most EXPENSIVE Plugins: Are They WORTH IT?
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Nice! Happy holidays to you and Bella David!
Thanks David! I like so much how you talk about plugins. Always detailed, to the point analysis'. It's like a little lesson each time👌🏼❤️
Thanks for the good, honest review of your most expensive plugins. I would love to see a video on your most used plugins - regardless of price.
Love the mention of Al's use of the Tube Tech multi band. I just started using the PSP multi band comp and was always after the effect that I heard Al get when he just tapped the Tube Tech on the 2 buss. It made the mix just come alive. The PSP seems like a really great plug.
Nice reviews! Honestly I was excited about the UAD shadow hills version a while back. I demoed it and couldn't get it to groove the way I wanted. The Elysia Alpha Mastering compressor is great though! These days I use the 500 Series Dual Vandagraph and it's a beast. All the engineers love it at the studio.
On point as always 🔥
Great video - The Weiss package would be my go to - the equipment used plays a big part in your vision of the overall sound🤞🏽
Great as usual!
Fair comments about the Shadowhills, I do agree to some degree, although I have found a good use for it that I hope is worth sharing..... I use both the hardware version for mastering and the UAD version for mixing, the hardware is running through an SPL DMC Console. Using the Shadowhills in parallel can have a great effect at adding deep, rich texture / character to your sound without affecting the overall dynamics. Think of the optical part like an LA-2A, don't go past -3 GR and then balance it back to unity gain, the discreet circuit use as you would an SSL Buss comp (adjust settings to taste) again not more than 3db GR adjusted back to unity gain, blend this with the uncompressed signal and then watch your music jump out of the speakers! You can then add further gain at each stage for different types of texture.... If you're using the unit in serial, anything past 1db of gain reduction renders the whole unit useless imo, so I see where you're coming from, but worth trying it out in parallel... Blending the hardware using the parallel switch in the SPL DMC console sounds so, so good, it really is a majestic unit. Hope this helps, it is underrated, in parallel it really comes to life. There is a reason why the hardware version costs what it does 👌✌🤘
I couldn't agree more with your opinion on the "all green" Shadow Hills MC. But to do PA some justice - the Class A one is pretty much dope - as long as you only use the discrete "circuit". Either that or the Unisum will end up on my 2 bus.
I fully agree with the SHMC. I bought the hardware unit based on reputation (NEVER do that!) and I really tried to use it on a lot of songs, but I don't think it ended up on a single release. It's just not a great mastering compressor. But it looks amazing in the rack.
In serial, anything past 1db of gain reduction turns your song to mush and even 1db doesn't sound great, but in parallel it's a lot more forgiving and can add great texture without affecting the overall dynamics. The hardware sounds amazing in parallel 👍
Thanks for this honest review of these expensive plugins David.
Love this!
Weiss bundle has been on my watchlist for a while now, kinda expensive but I’ve heard what you do with that and man… soon 😅.
Great video David, happy holidays
Nice! Thank you David!
bro.. YOU ALWAYS DELIVER. please dont ever lose your INTEGRITY with your products, reviews and your opinions! 🙂🤘
Great Video, what do you think about the SSL Native Plugins? I really love them
Sounding like you was rapping in the beginning, bone thugs with the delivery lol just messin witcha tho Good video. I bought so many damn plugins during Black Friday but I convinced myself they are all worth it.
Awesome! I have to do some shopping
Hi David. Great content as usual. Just curious if you have happened upon the Magic Death Eye compresser plugin by DDMF based on hardware.
Cheers.
I haven't
I actually bought my first expensive plugin on your recommendation years ago. Chandler curve bender..I still use it too.
Cool, thank you David!
love your channel bro. no bs
IK Multimedia’s T-Racks Comprexxor vs Empirical’s Arousor would definitely be an interesting one!
Really? I found the T-Racks to be boring and not as easy to dial in as the Arousor! Same as the Slate. But tbh, having used the hardware maybe my expectations where too much. Sounds sterile to me though. I prefer the Arouser personally for Distressor emulations.
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Now, ... how did you get Ozone 9 Advanced for $250.00?!?!?
My copy cost me like twice that!
And you're right about it as a "MUST" have.
I went Solid State Logic plugins and hardware (UC1 & x2 UF-8) for one mixing/mastering chain and I went Ozone 9 Advanced/Neutron 3/Nectar 3 (vocals) for the second option.
I mixed the same track down each path and I ultimately just love the simplicity yet complexity of Ozone 9 Advanced. It holds your hands and actually explains what it's doing versus the SSL path not so much. Using it is kind of a no brainer especially along with Mix Assistance of Neutron 3. Those two in combination are a game changer for my productions.
I do like the color of the SSL plugins and their Bus Compressor, but there is also a very VERY steep learning curve to using them correctly.
Thanks David!
Shadow hills sounds really good on bass guitar in my opinion.
cool topic ! ty
Great video. Nice song btw. Has great vocals.
I'm a musician, retired, trying to learn how to make good sounding music on a budget and without years (or ears!) left in which to do it. So whilst things like Weiss may be wonderful, I can't be getting into that arena cost-wise. I buy a lot of PA stuff, never paying more than the offer prices. I bought Shadow Hills Class A at $29.99 and it gave me instant mojo just using presets on my master buss. No doubt an experienced engineer would have got there and more using their skill and top grade (top cost?) plugins. But, for people like me (and there must be quite a few), plugins that can give instant mojo might save a lot of thrashing around in the dark. As I get more seasoned at mixing, I think I will look back (in fact I already do!) on some of these purchases and realise I could have done better by instead spending more on fewer, more expensive plugins. But, that is not how learning curves work, and when you are starting out, you don't know which expensive plugins to blow your limited funds on. And, of course, you don't have the cash upfront to spend anyway, especially when you don't know how committed you may become to your new hobby. Shadow Hills Class A has worked great for me on the kind of music I do (heavy on CPU though!). Love your reviews though, so keep 'em coming :-)
And that’s the point, right? Some things are going to just work for you, regardless. There are enough processors out there for everyone and at the end of the day, getting your favored result is all that matters.
plugins are only as good as the one who‘s using them
Thanks david after this video just bought the sonnox plugin.
Can't believe how easy it to use compared to another limiter and sounds good.
I used to use soothe 2, now i use tbproaudio dseq and it's a life saver for harsh recording such as cymbals and drum rooms
may I ask why you switched from soothe to dseq. I've heard dseq is great but also more complicated to adjust? don't know if that's true. I use soothe but haven't tried dseq
@@HumanBeingWithFeelings I find soothe more tricky. It seems neater and more intuitive but that's the real trap: it's so powerful but looks harmless and that makes it to overdo it or go the wrong direction. Dseq has more regular named parametres and I often find myself doing a lot less processing when using dseq for the same purpose
@@adanhendrixvideo727 true i find soothe is more tricky and can fool you with the beautiful UI, it actually really complicated and dseq you just create band to focus more on the compression, adjust the treshold and quality and you're basically done
What are your thoughts on Acustica Audio plugins?
Heard the vss4 in this vid knew its what I've been looking for all this time. I have very expensive taste in reverb and was gonna spend a couple thousand on an analog unit. This plugin put that on hold.
That TC electronics VS4HD reverb is soooooo excellent but it eats up about 20% of my AMD 5900X cpu. Just crazy amounts of resources needed but so excellent sounding.
maybe look into thread ripper cpu
The song example used to demo the amazing P42, sounds a bit like AHA's 'The sun always shines on tv' (melody-wise, I mean).
Looking forward to the full review of the P42. Thumbs up!
Kaos India, I mixed and mastered their album few years ago
@@mixbustv Really? Pretty awesome! Congrats! I must say though in those days the amount of reverb (over the whole mix) was enormous. Apparently to glue it altogether. And it looks reverb is on its way of having a comeback.
Can you use the Arouser on the Master Bus? I used it and liked it but it colored my sound
When you do multiband compression you set threshold individualy for each band, or indentical for all bands? Same question about attack and release
Well the whole point of using a multiband is so that you can have separated attack and release and thresh and ratio for each band..
Hey why you don’t try the new mastering suite plugin by Acústica Audio THE HWMC?
That's industry quality standard video. Great !!
Weiss 😍😍😍😍😍 excellent I loved them
OMG, that System6000 reverb UI thing at 16:13 looks straight from Star Trek The Next Generation lmao 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Maag, softube. All my fav
Hey David, You mentioned that there is a typical 90s metal sound coming from the Sonnox Limiter. Very curious about this and would love to hear a bit more. Thanks so much in advance!🤘🤘🤘
Btw this is chat GPTs view on the topic:
The settings for the Sonnox Limiter can vary depending on the specific track, mix, and desired outcome. However, here are some typical starting points for using the Sonnox Limiter in rock and metal productions:
Threshold: Set the threshold level to a point where the limiter engages during the louder parts of your mix. This will depend on the dynamics of your track, but starting with a threshold around -6 dB or -4 dB is common.
Attack Time: For rock and metal, you generally want a relatively fast attack time to capture and control the transient energy of instruments like drums and guitars. Start with a setting around 10-20 ms, but adjust it to your taste. Faster attack times can make the mix sound tighter and punchier.
Release Time: The release time determines how quickly the limiter releases the gain reduction once the audio drops below the threshold. In rock and metal, you typically want a relatively fast release time to maintain the energy and sustain of the instruments. Start with a value between 50-150 ms and adjust as needed.
Gain Makeup: After applying gain reduction, use the gain makeup control to compensate for the overall loss in volume. Increase the gain makeup to achieve a desired level of loudness and make sure your mix stands out. However, be cautious not to push the gain makeup too high, as it may introduce unwanted distortion or artifacts.
Remember, these settings are just starting points, and you should use your ears to make adjustments based on the specific characteristics of your mix. It's important to maintain a balance between controlling the dynamics and preserving the natural dynamics and impact of the instruments. Experiment with the settings and listen carefully to how they affect the overall sound and feel of your rock or metal mix.
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Hey David, did you have a dedicated video for the updated version of the Pulsar Modular p42? I could have sworn I've seen it before and I wanted to rewatch it again since the p42 is on Black Friday sale, but I cannot find the video on your channel.
Unfortunately that company proved to be a very shady one, I don't want to have anything to do with companies like that. I'm actually being mericful with them because I could very well expose them publicly and end their business completely, and maybe I will one day, but yeah. Stay away from them
@@mixbustv Well, that's a bummer. I was originally looking into Tone Projects, but their Black Friday sale didn't have much of a discount on the bundle. Then I looked into the p42 and there was a better sale on the p42. I'm trying to make the most out of the holiday sales by finding the best deals. Without getting into any specifics (if you don't want to), is the problem related to company politics within Pulsar Modular or are there problems with the p42?
When the green Shadow Hills works on the drum buss, it works! I also got it for 20 bucks and recently got the red Hills for 25.
Not a patch on Unisum for the 2buss...but for the drum buss, the grabbiness might be just the ticket.
I feel sorry for the people that paid UAD money to get the SHMC.
Where did you get it that cheap?
@@TheSonicDeviant PA site. I've bought quite a few of their stuff and I get the monthly voucher that I can add to the sales that they do, quite often. I've paid 20-30bucks on average for every PA plug in I have.
I can agree with the judgment on a couple of those plugins. The DS1-MK3 is great but takes some time to get the hang of, the maag EQ is a waste of money, Gulfoss can really help - but I only demoed Gulfoss, it's not something I feel that I urgently need, same thing goes for soothe 2.
Further more I've heard there's a great alternative to the Inflator now - called PiMax from Arboreal (20 Bucks but a better Inflator - from what I've heard). I don't know the PSP compressor you showed at the end, but I know PSP has one of the best limiters (Xenon).
I bought the shadow hills mastering compressor on sale too, and tried to like it but i couldn't after all the tests i did. It's not that bad, but it definitely isn't what is supposed to be.
try it as sidechain comp, kick,base for example..best comp for that, imho.
@@sebastianniekamp810 i will give it a try , thank you
Check the SPL Iron, i like that one way better
Shadows Hills looks cool though 🤟 and I like it on real drums 🪘
If i put plugins on Master channel on my Mix... Isnt the same like mastering a song? 🙏
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Hi David, I can’t really spend $649 on the Weiss bundle but the Weiss gambit for console one is $99. I know it has the EQ1 is this comparable to more expensive bundle? Thanks so much!
You miss the dynamic part of it, other than that is the same
@@mixbustv thanks so much!
I’m gonna get it
The Weiss is the best thing we got in our studio
Wanna try Luna and ua plugs and acoustica but softube/Weiss is the best way
Where can we see the secret use of the Oxford Limiter. I have it but always keen to learn more about how to use it correctly.
Somewhere in one of my mastering courses
When are you going to start offering some courses on dance music / edm? There isn’t many about which go in depth when it comes to mixing/mastering so nice gap in the market for you.
I have a mastering psy-trance course. But I use real works for the courses, clients (unlike others 😄) so as soon as I get a cool project in the genre
@@mixbustv yeah I’ve seen some videos you have done in that style and it’s awesome. Just wish you had the same courses for it mixing/mastering on your academy site 👍
the shills is great with a psp fet before for getting the bass or vox to pop in a dense rock mix, a little sheen is all it needs sometimes, i found in 5 years upgrading to a prism titan i hear the plugins compared to rme, the crazy thing which pisses me a bit is because i top down mix , just having the plugins on the chain deactivated can affect the mix too, all sorts eqs sats clippers, all those 5 to 10 percent differences become alive as the sense develops, its all way too coffee sensitive this crap, and in the grand scheme of things im feeling our daws have all we need we just need to stop trying to fly toclose to the sun like icarus :) and get back to tape lol, most usefull plugin i own uhe pressworks
No cranesong phoenix 2? Ive seen you compare it on a tape sat vid you did and It’s on sale right now
I missed that
Weiss plugins are incredible indeed!
The Fabfilter ProQ3 is another plugin worth the price
what song is that at 3:40? Slaps. would love to check the artist out
Nova Melodious, this is After The Hurt, No Sunshine is also a great tune by him. I mastered all his stuff
Hey David, I'm just curious; why didn't the Steinberg Portico make it on this list?
I'm not a big fan of the portico series (analog) in general besides very few modules.
Keep the beard, man!
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I wasted 29.99 for the shadow hills and I regret it. I love the SSL BUS COMP and API plugins. To me they sound gorgeous on Hip Hop, Trap and Reggaeton.
The townhouse is great but much thicker sounding than an SSL and the API is cool and sounds great but not like the real thing at all. I tried my best to get the api to sound like the hardware but even when I matched the cures it still didn’t even come close.
I think it's genre-dependent. I use the shadowhills class A on the 2bus for metal with the nickel setting and dual mono...OMG. Different strokes, of course
@@danymalsound I agree. If i need a more aggressive sound sound my drums that's my go to.
@@Limit5482 as well as two 550B (hardware units) will never sound the same. As long as it sounds good the listener won't know and don't care whether we use plugin or hardware lol. Im terrible at telling jokes.
Hold on right there. Saying two 550B won't ever sound the same and comparing that to the difference between hw and sf is AT BEST wishful thinking. Let's get things straight: the difference between two of the same hardware is BARELY measurable, and it has zero to no impact on the result. The difference between hw and sw is WIDELY measurable and it has ALL the impact on the end result. The two things are not even CLOSE. And the "listener doesn't know" no it doesn't know because he'll never have two mixes, he/she will have one and it will compared to the rest of the stuff on the market and just like with everything else, they will know sub-par. They won't know WHY but they will hear good vs average vs bad.
Not going into this again.
HAH David saying that a compressor is almost over his head is so weird to hear :-p
Where is the Mike E comp! One of the best plugs of the year ! Cheers to softube !
With the Chandler I included basically all Softube at the same price
David - the Shadow Hills Mastering Compressor CLASS A is much better than the other one. Have you tried it ??? Would your Shadow Hills be worth it if you got it FOR FREE ????
I worked with the non class A (which is still class a btw) extensively and not that much with the class a buy still enough, I wouldn't say it's much better. Better, yes. They are both overpriced, that's just my opinion. That comp is just not my aesthetic as I really don't find much use for the opto. To be honest, I wouldn't keep it. It's huge, takes a ton of rack space I much rather give 6U to a Fairchild than that
Please review the new Sonible, I only trust you
@@jackc8120 So you're saying that in order to know something about music, you have to use Ableton Live?
My wallet is crying.
I can’t get along with the Weiss De esser or the maximizer. The de esser moves from either being too transparent and therefore spanning from ‘ineffective’ (as a de esser) to muddying and blurring the source. I agree with your take on the SHMC.
Are you still taking entries for the Bella Kelly remix contest??? 👀
nope, deadine was Feb 15th
Kinda like shadow hills.
Good info from the devil guy wit the bad haircut !
You forgot "and a hot fiancee"
@@mixbustv 😝 Holla back after you been with her for a few years !
Dedicated vid on p42?
That company is to avoid like the plague
@@mixbustv oh really? You stated they have that analog vibe previously but what did they do to withdraw your support?
Because they are the most unethical, unprofessional and greedy people I've ever met in the business. If I was to expose them - and I probably will at some point - they will be finished.
@@mixbustv I vote yes you should. This game rely on authentic creators and collaborators. Are they responsible for the bot comments?
14:20 at double speed :-)
Surprised to not see Melodyne on this list.
it is most definitely worth it, but I didn't realize how much it costs really, companies just send me stuff so I don't always know the price
P24 Climax is great!
Algorithmix MAAT not making the list?
cause I don't have it
The consumer dont give a shit. Its about the music.
..say every musician with no streams lol
@@mixbustv ha ha. Do you honestly think objectively someone who listens to music really cares about what plug in was used on the track?
THEY CANT TELL OR KNOW.
It could be stock when used correctly.
Do you agree?
I delete wave,softube,plugin alince....
Thank you very much….that shadow hills is a pile of 💩
Why was I thinking the same thing????
I swear I was, lol.
The Shadow Hills boost the 4k or 5k range and kills the low end.
That plugin is a Gearspace darling
i came to see this video cos i like to pirate expensive things 😀
Something happened to your hair, like someone was shaving you while sleeping or being drunk
But I can change my hair, what happened to your face?
@@mixbustv Ah yea ? You also noticed how beautiful I am. It does not fit with you clearly
I think the money you spent on that "hair cut" wasn't worth it either tbh. 🤣
I can change my hair, that's easy, what are you going to do about your face? Cause that's a lot more expensive 👍
@@mixbustv Don't worry 'bout my face though. I am fine, believe me. :)) Did you feel attacked by my little joke, really?
why scam companies by naming them and giving your opinion that is worth as much as those plugins and all this just for hunger for views and likes? You do not know the damage you do to poor developers because this video will stay forever here on youtube and whoever searches for info on certain plugins will most likely be influenced by your opinion which for many is seen as true since you are popular on youtube, with a nice studio behind.
Lol watch out guys.. I still have receipts.
@@jackc8120 i don’t care about if he’s get paid or not by big. Just youtubers should stop with this kind of videos because they damage the image of poor developers and small companies. Don’t you like a plugin? Ok don’t use but it is not necessary to make a video.