MASTERING SECRETS: BAND SELECTIVE vs MULTIBAND COMPRESSION - One of the REAL Secrets of Mastering
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- Опубліковано 15 лис 2020
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In this video David shows one of the best kept secrets in mastering. Get that massive low end or that clean top end, retain punch and get loud!
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it's basic stuff. Like REALLY basic, don't even get near mastering if you don't know stuff like this.
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luca pretolesi is a master of sidechain inserting EQ's to emphasize midrange with limiters and compressors for anyone interested in gaining more knownledge on this
@@joost3783 Luca is the Jedi Master of Jedi Masters ;)
Where should i find the second part ? thank you
i just find it !
Where's part deux?
This channel is priceless, every video is pure gold. Thank you David! Hope you're recovering well
agreed 150%!!!
I can't thank you enough David for all the wonderful work you do on this channel, every video from you is a gold mine!
That's crazy man . Definitely waiting de 2nd part . Thanks a lot 🙏🏾
Wow! What I love about your channel is that you can see videos like this on it. You give answers to very specific questions, which nonetheless arise for so many people involved in mixing and mastering.
must.see.part.2 :D you rock! thank you so much for this. WIsh you a speedy recovery!
Man, that was awesome! Love this channel, thanks for sharing!
Your videos are the best! Learning more from your videos than from anybody else! 🙌
Finally producing one of my own bands songs for a change and this is super helpful, your knowledge is GAME CHANGING, thank you so much!
is it?
@@alexgregory1427 ha ha
Seriously, smart and clever work right there!!! I can't believe that this video exists!! Thanks man.
Awesome video! Thanks for sharing these great tips.
Awesome video David, and very professional, thank you. 👍
this guy has such an appreciation for mixing you feel happy with him when he's got that half a smirk and is all like "can you hear how that top end opens up". I bet he's a good mate out to get drunk with. Another good video, going to try this out.
Good stuff man. I learned a lot. Cheers from Jersey
Excellent video, the Weiss DS-1 Mk3 seems like a great plugin, I use DMG Compassion to do selective band compression, it has LP filters and even more options like asymmetrical bandbass (ie HP and LP filters can be independently set from to 6 to 24 dB/oct), variable RMS window, a transient processor, a gain reduction limiter with a curve, and various ways to shape the attack, release and compression curves.
The downside is that the number of parameters is much higher and it might take more time to fine tune everything.
Can't wait for part 2... Oh wait it's already up!!!
yes it it!
Wow, amazing info ty. Time to DEMO DS1-MK3.
This was helpful! Sold me on the Weiss!!!! I'm excited to pair this with my Neve MBP. Thanks!
I still have a way to go before Im at trhe stage of buying bits of kit like this and then actually knowing how to use them effectively but its so much fun to watch what can be achieved with the right direction and a little bit of no nonsense advice from real proffessionals,,, cheers again David fantastic content, I will say membership is worth every penny!
Thank you!!
WoW fantastic, I have study sound but I’m learning more with you than with all my professor in 3 years at uni, loving all your videos so far , so helpful.
Grazie
Sick David 🔥💣💥🙌🏾👌🏾
Great video as always!
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David, thank you. You are a gifted and sensitive artist...
Yes yes yes, I used this plugin only once but was totally
blown away. Soooooo very powerful. Thanks again :)
This was a VERY informative video! Thank you so much!
I like your videos! Good explanation and practical demonstration in one! Thanks!
You are my new teacher!
Honestly, this is the best engineering vid I have seen on yt so far. 20 yrs ago I did the SAE course, it was magic and fun and obviously mastering was covered, but not like this. Thank you
20 years ago things were different... so this is to be expected.
that plugin is the magic!, gretting from Argentina
GREAT DAVID!!!
Love the Weiss!! Great vid 👍
Nice info man! Thanks a lot. I'll check this plug out.
One of the best things I ever did was to buy the Weiss mastering bundle. Absolutely amazing.
Not many understand there are still superior plugins.... looks are nothing...
So are you able to explain how it actually differs from the Fabfilter Pro MB or Waves LMB? like there was no explanation whatsoever here and he just did exactly what you would do in both those plugins? Pls endeavour to overcome your cognitive dissonance here and be honest.
It's mind-blowing! I love your content! Thank you very much for sharing all this knowledge! This is the first channel of which I've become a member. Speaking of which - I'm dying to see part II (members only). Could you please point me to the right direction? I can't find it anywhere. :S Edit: Ignore me, I'm new to this membership stuff. Found it!
Welcome to the family!
Insane... I never thought something like this would be possible.. thank you lots!
great channel!
I love how you turn off the bypass at 15:26 , hear how clear the high end gets and then start smiling, I exactly had the same reaction 😂
Awesome video. How does this compare to the BSS DPR 402 compressor, or just compressing one band of a linear phase multi band compressor? Am I wrong to think that they all would do a very close job?
❤ thanks mixbus, that’s a great tip !
Finally pulled the trigger on joining! Looking forward to leveling up my mix game even more!
Welcome to the team!
Thanks for the video. How is this different to Pro MB? Like... you're picking a frequency band and then applying compression? I'm really struggling to see the difference. Also something that should be mentioned is that MB Compression or limiting isn't often used because it wasn't often used in the past, and so the eventual effect it has isn't too familiar or pleasant. Also because it's basically a wide curve EQ cut or boost but with an onset determined by the attack, it has a similar effect of dampening the sound, or applying a non-naturally occurring shape in the frequency range.
Thanks David!
Thank you for the tip.. I am going to try this with the splitter tool in studio one.
Awesome!! Thanks for share!!
Wow! Simply wow!
great videos thanks!
So useful !! THX
Another exceptional video. The DS-1, Waves C6 and LMB are three of our favourite plugins. Truly professional results here. Subscribe!
You are a great teacher, inspiring and enlightening !! Тhank you
HOLY COW! this really is it!
Genial video, excelente explicación!!
Nice! Great explaination
Really interesting!! Thanks :)
Thank you!
great video
Hi there David does sound quality have an influential impact on converter dynamic range or its saturation plz tell me because I bought a old ad/da converter by midiman flying cow
Another great video
agreed !!!!
never said this before (been producing for 10 years) and that Weiss plugin is a true game changer
Another great video..... thanx
Whaoooo very very usefull thanks 😊
SUPER video!!!!!
Sr thanks you so much, highly appreciated
Hi David, very interesting - thanks for sharing! I was wondering if you've tried this trick on the DMG Essence plugin. Just in terms of features, it appears to share a lot of similarities with the Weiss. I happen to own this one and tried it (and formed an opinion on its use for such an application) but would love to hear your experience on this (if you have) since I can't make any comparisons to the Weiss.
I was probably the first one to show tricks with Essence, to control the low end. Actually, not probably, I was the first one, then dozens ripped off my vids. DMG makes great stuff, but Essence is not the DS1
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You the man David. Taking the mystery out of the magic.
As you said in the video this plugin is the best, but are there other band selective compressors just to train? possibily cheaper
wow great video. that thing was pure magic on the high end. and it's so great that it's a digital 1:1 copy of the hardware unit! that makes so much sense, but is very rarely ever done. reading some of these comments was painful. i totally get people who don't understand everything about what makes this unit different and asking questions. what i don't understand is people that don't understand it, yet claim that high end professional mastering engineers are wrong. smh.
thanks for the great video David. You're amazing!
rarely done, because many digital hardware boxes are obsolete, and there are not that many worth copying over. it's pretty easy to port over code actually.
This is awesome, setting up membership, I want to see part2!
PART 2!!!
I was literally just thinking the other day.. I wonder if they had this Weiss hardware unit as a plug-in and then I stumble across this video... I wanna buy this asap
The GOAT 🔥💯
at least I don't have to go spend $$ for the plug, already have it:-) cause I def would after seeing this. again you have taken a complicated plugin and made it much easier to understand. thank you! joining
Very useful and awesome tips as always btw would Fabilter Q3 with linear phase be great on mastering as waves linear phase mb in terms of sound quality?
Nice!
Hi from Croatia, is there a way to use limiter without soft limiter button. I don't like the sound of soft limiter, it has not a pleasant sound. How to use it without this option and not distort my sound? I know that i can put another limiter after ds1 , but I want to use only this plugin. Thanks in advance
Great demo.
Hi David! Thanks for this. You might want to check Harrison Consoles AVA Spectral Compressor. After watching this video I believe that it is a band selective and also I understood how to use it because I had no clue 😅
Hey Dave, pretty cool stuff. Btw. what is your desk brand and model ?
Modson, a custom version of the Komposer 2.0
Great vídeo David! Can I ask what exactly is the difference between this technique and using a normal compressor/limiter with side chain filtering? Is it the same? I learn a lot with your videos, specially mastering stuff. Thank you so much!
No it's not, understand internal sidechain first, then watch part 2 if you want to learn more ua-cam.com/video/5PA0vXHa7Rw/v-deo.html
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Cannot find the second part video ? link?
But, don't the linear-phase filters give you preringing? I realize it might be minimal, but wouldn't that color the mix also?
Yes!
is it more viable to use an EQ for mastering or a limiter such as maximus ?
It even adds power 😳. Incredible!
Greetings brother! How is this different than say FabFilter Pro MB on linear phase with only a low band active, then using the make up gain there? I trust there is a difference, but is it a technical thing (phase, reaction time, etc.) That sets it apart, or does it "just" sound better? Thanks for the vid! I understand if this is a video 2 only answer lol. 🤘🏽
it's both. Weiss gear/coding is genuis, and just like hardware, everyone can build an 1176 but they all sound different. Also, you're watching part one only, part2 is where it gets fun, and also, even watching that, those are only few of the many things this plugin can do. (remember, 1:1 code with the hardware)
@@mixbustv killer. Thanks for the reply! I might snag this monster now.🤘🏽
Thanks! 🤘🏼☠️🤘🏼
I know you've shown an example with multi band compression, but what is the difference between what you've done vs doing the same things/settings with multi-band compression by just compression the low band? Great video as usual :)
The juice is in part2
Really inspiring. That plugin definitely separates the hobbyist from the professional. $550 retail and $400 on sale.
I just checked (Feb 7), it's $29.
@@briancase6180 where was that?
@@fernandoherrerabastidas in his dream
Always better to fix the issues during recording whenever possible. If something is too bassy (like the guitar), then I tend to reduce the low end and record again. This helps in my workflow very much and speeds up the finalizing of the track. Kick not beefy enough? Add a subkick and tune it lower instead of trying to pump it with parallel compression only. Simple steps tend to work best in my case. As I remember you said once in one video: "If you come to the point to use a multiband compressor, then you might have done something wrong before that"
Yes, buy my vids don't assume one does everything by him/herself, which is not really how it's supposed to be, I receive tracks to mix and mix to master from my clients, so videos are for mixing and some like this course for mastering z assuming the normal flow of a production when you can't do any of the above.
@@mixbustv Right, I agree. In reality you may be getting messed up tracks and that's where your knowledge shines the best, how to pull out the most from the given situation. Keep up the good work, your content is one of the best out here on YT! Cheers :)
I can't see the difference to a linear multiband compressor. As long as you have a gain-knob for each band this is pretty much the same (okay, if you want to do parallel processing you'll have to set that up). But logically there is no difference. You choose a band. You compress it, you boost it. Maybe I'm not seeing something here, but from where I'm standing that's it. It may be a very great and clean compressor, but basically it's a compressor which you sidechained to only affect a specific area (without compressing the other frequencies AT ALL ... not like many internal sidechain-functions for wideband compressors).
exactly how it works! Mann muss die Dinge ja nicht überkompliziert machen!
I would definitely be interested to know how this unit differs from linear multiband compression, yes..
He already talked about it, the phasing, the linear one isn't pure magic, it still phases.
LOL AT THE END WHEN YOU HIT THAT HIGH END DETAIL, THAT WAS COOL AS FUCK LOL.....THIS WAS A GOOD VIDEO
THANKS!
great video ! - btw, you prefer the ds1-mk3 over unisum ?
They do different things, I have to say Unisum is great, amazing plugin, but I didn't spend much time with it and it has a learning curve for sure. I knew the hw for this, and I use it all the time. Maybe at some point I can make a video on the differences and different uses (altho' they are in the same category)
@@mixbustv great, thanks for both videos. very indepth. yes, i got both (DS1 was a bit of an afterthought when getting their EQ1 in the weiss bundle) but tend to lose myself in unisum occasionally. think something you had a name for in another vid, when you cant stop messing around with settings. will seriously play with ds1-mk3 now, seems possibly a bit easier to handle. if only the ui was resizeable. need to invoke the disability lens on hires.
Quick question about multi band compression, I’ve seen some people (like disclosure) use the Drawmer S73 during the mastering stage, is that unit any different than something like Pro MB or it causes the same problems?
The S73 is an absolute monster unit, discontinued, amazing amazing unit. You can't do linear xovers in analog, so yeah, but, Drawmer mastered the art of making arguably some of the most musical xovers in their multiband compressors ever made, this is one of the reasons their multibands are so good. The 73 has some heritage from the S73 is one of best unit ever made (and it was priced accordingly) I wish they still had it
should i master my beats if am gonna sell it or send it with just a softclipper and a well mix
Would this work with Studio One splitter tool with splitting the bands and using a compressor on whatever band? Or is this a Weiss thing?
Enjoyed it sir
Need this plugin
Great work. Still rockin' with the Sonnox Surpressor on this end (which is also linear phase) and Waves Linear Phase MB (although the GUI still sucks).
No way. I'm the total opposite. I love the Waves GUI. Everything in one place without huge on screen pots. I wish all interfaces were like Waves oldies. Plugin Alliance drove me mad with those giant pictures of hardware.
I can access all the video with tier 1 or 2 right? You're so the best, thank you!
Yes you can!
just became a member with a monthly subscription to hear more about the advanced Weiss DS1-MK3. but i can't find the second part of this video. thanks
oops... just found it.☺
David, can you explain the difference between the band selective compression and regular multiband compression? I would like to understand the whole concept of Weiss. Thank you
Yeah he doesn’t explain the difference.
thanks very helpful