Sorry about that! I personally still prefer the really old school dial option!! I guess that’s what happens though when you go straight from the super fancy colour TFT on the MT-10 SP.
Just bought the F version in that colour scheme , ye ye I know, people say it looks like a scooter blah blah. But I like it, good wind protection and feels really planted on the stock suspension. That engine though is a peach and for just under £9000 new, a bit of a bargain.
@@AndyManCam here in Texas the freeway average is sometimes 90mph. With stock gearing things get really buzzy. It looks like your roads are better suited for this bike.
Hard to say. Depends what is more important for you. The Z1000 has the stocky angular looks but is a bit cramped. The MT09 has bags of enjoyable torque but horrible fuelling. The Suzuki is smooth and powerful but a bit boring and behind on the gadgets. Ultimately I bought myself a CB1000R, so I chose none of them! You have to go based on what you want out of the bike and everybody is different.
I ride a 2015 cbr600rr but want something a little more fun to pop wheelies on. I think the fz will bring me that joy, just doesn’t seem like a stable bike to me for the highway. I like the front look of the z1000. The gsxs looks ok but sounds like it’s a pretty powerful bike. I’ve thought about the cb bought it just looks so basic and small. Anyway thanks for the feedback man.
I've just come back from a trip to Moselle valley on mine love it does everything very well mine's the f version with high screen it's happy at 150 on the unlimited autobarn and at 50 on a twisty back road its totally planted on high speed bends it really looks after you I've ridden tuno 1100 v4s superduke gt and i prefer mind P.s. keep up the good work amc
That doesn't surprise me SS. Seemed like a very capable bike, and that soft seat certainly seemd like it could keep you comfy on a longer ride! Cheers mate!
The reason why you failed to get into another traction control setting was that your throttle shouldn't be open, not even slightly : you should *close* the throttle, only then will you be able to switch the traction control setting. So you MAY be riding, but then, it is still mandatory to close the throttle... Apart from that, I don't like this bike, I own one myself (model 2016). Even after swapping the ECU (under warranty, I hadn't had to pay anything), it is still too much on/off. In the mountains, in hairpin turns, this is quite tricky, as you can easily miscalculate a turn only because of some small bump in the road surface, resulting in a too eager bike acceleration response. Power and smoothness don't go hand in hand on this bike. My VFR800F handles a lot better on such terrain, as the latter doesn't force me to be ready with my rear brake, just in case the bike decides to go its own way...
One of the bikes I would be interested in if I were to go for a litre inline four. An old review but is the low/mid-range better than your CB1000R? A point about these big Suzuki inline fours is that they rarely need the valves shimming, the tolerances are so large. My B-King never needed shimming, and I read on the B-King forum of someone who did his own servicing and had never needed to do a shim in 80,000 miles. To add to yesterday's comments, the lack of unnecessary technology on Suzukis attracts me to this bike. I miss my B-King's engine but not the weight.
From what I remember, I wouldn't say it was much of a difference to the CB1000R. Perhaps slightly more grunt at the low end. Sounds like Suzuki have nailed it with servicing and reliability though!
Did you happen to notice some really bad vibration at 80ish mph (130km/h). When I test rode one the vibration was horrendous on the highway (the demo loop included a few light twisties, a desolate backroad :), and a stretch of interstate highway). And this is coming from someone who regularly does long distances on a Versys 650, which as you know isn't the worlds smoothest bike.
Is there any reason why i should choos this [2024 version of gsxs 1000] over 2024 mt 10 sp except price rhing ? Such as agility, frame, engine durability, heat engine management, or maintenance ? I believe they already change headlamp to led
Hy Andy! Need your advice please... I had a 2010 Fz1 Fazer with fairings and I crashed her bad and it can't be repaired. Now I want to buy between the exact same model or the GSX1000S??? Is the Gixer an upgrade toward the Fz1? The Gsx1000s has the same high end rush and the top rpm is 12 000? Can make Fz1 bad than the Gixer with some modes? Thank you?!
Sorry to hear about the crash Milasan. The Gixer was definitely smoother and with lots more low end power. I think you'll just have to ride one to see for yourself though. You might love it! ;D
Is this a 2019? They were suppose to have dialed out the twitchy on off throttle response. I have a 2016 F model, the version with the fairing and I had to get my ecu flashed to take care of the throttle issue but it's a fantastic bike. Best I've owned so far
It is the 2019 model. I didn’t say it was twitchy. It’s really very good actually! It’s still not perfect, but then I haven’t ridden an injection bike that is! In any case, it’s head and shoulders above the offerings from the Yamaha stable!
Ah! Gotcha! Sorry. Obviously I can’t say for sure, but it certainly seems like it. The delivery was very smooth. More and more ammo to justify getting my FZ1 flashed... 🙄
@@AndyManCam Check out Buelle109 UA-cam channel. This guy has endless FZ1 mods. He lives near me in the states. I think he has enough performance mods and walkthroughs for the FZ1 that will keep you from looking at the MT10 for some time to come.
Very nice! I've heard very good things about the 750. Sounds like a real contender for actually being a better all rounder than the 1000! Enjoy your new machine mate!!
Andy Man Cam Me and a mate test rode for a few hours, the MT-09 & S750 and although I liked the MT with its 850cc and clutchless up shift (which was great fun when you wapped the throttle back and just banged up through the gears, 120mph in no time at all lol) I still loved the ride and handling of the S750, it’s very forgiving and although I agree with you that your knees are a little higher than some bikes, I got short legs at 30” so not so bad for me 👍 You should test ride the S750, nice machine, and of course gears are smooth and solid as it’s a Suzuki.
Sure, that wouldn’t surprise me. The 1000 seemed to have a very solid and planted feel. Like a trusty stallion that won’t let you down! That coupled with lighter weight must make the S750 a great ride. I’ll just have to freshly oil the knees before I try one!
Andy Man Cam I’ve certainly not heard any negatives from anyone who’s rode it, bar the usual ‘boring bike’ read online but that’s prob Yamaha fans - clicky lot 😁
Haha! Probably right! ‚Boring‘ seems to mean well fueled and refined lately. If it doesn’t want to throw you off in the corners via jerky acceleration, then it’s not ‚exciting‘ enough! Very clever brainwash marketing to cover up bad fuelling programming!! 😂
Did test drive this (GSX-S) at Lingvalls Motors in Sweden. The trottle was very on/off . I traded my KTM 1290 SAS 2018 to a Suzuki GSX-R 1000 2007 Love my old gixxers
I rode the GSX-S1000 and GSXR-1000R back to back. The S had decent but not great fueling, but OMFG does it vibrate like hell at highway speeds. The true blue Gixxer has a MUCH smoother motor with much better power delivery, I never thought a 200hp bike would be so easy to ride. I would kill for a naked bike with the current Gixxer motor. At 80mph absolutely everything on the GSX-S vibrated like hell, and I'm used to my Verys 650 which isn't the worlds smoothest bike at highway speeds.
Hi James! Yes, I think it is better for acceleration than the FZ1. Mostly because there is far more torque at low revs. With an ECU flash on the FZ1, I don't know if that would be the same. They're both certainly VERY fast though!
I've recently turned 64, and my lower back can't take my beloved Hayabusa and ZX-14r anymore. The GSX-S is on my short list of bikes that I might turn to. The KTM super duke is fast enough, but I can't take the looks. Is the MT-10 more comfy than the Zook?
I’d say yes and no mate. My legs were less cramped up on the MT, but the seat on the Z was far more forgiving. Smoother engine on the Z but more ‚natural‘ feeling Bar Position on the MT. I think the best way is to try and have a sit on each.
I've also ridden both bikes and also a Busa. The Busa's fueling is better than either of the other bikes. The MT-10 to me was a bit more comfortable, just a bit more relaxed riding position, the MT-10 also vibrates less, however the MT-10 has kinda jerky fueling in any mode and has a different powerband. the MT-10 comes on harder above 7000rpm, but the GSX-S comes on harder down low. The GSX-S vibrates BADLY at highway speeds and is turning some really high RPMs too (6000rpm @80mph, for comparison a stock Versys 650 is turning 6400rpm at the same speed with less than half the power, and considerably less vibration) the gearing on the GSX-S is also way too close, the MT-10 definitely was more relaxed at highway speeds and doesn't vibrate much.
mrvwbug44 I have also ridden these bikes, never a busa but I do own a zx14r and a gsxs1000f. I 100% agree with your analysis. I might add that the pegs are lower on the gsxs when compared to the zx14r and the bar is higher. But not like a adventure bike. If compared to my V-strom 1000 it’s no where near as comfortable. It’s an in between bike in regards to comfort. But the vibration is pretty bad through the pegs at anything over 60mph like mentioned. The seat is really comfortable. The engine I absolutely love. The gears are way to close. The note the bike makes from the intake is addictive and you can definitely keep the stock exhaust and be happy. Low down torque is fantastic. When compared to the MT10 and MT09 which I test rode before deciding on the GSXS, I can say I’m still very happy with my decision. There’s no perfect bike hence why I have so many different types. I think if I had to do it again I would buy the gsxs750... that hurts to say.
Another great sounding machine, definitely could have some fun on that beastie! Great job on the Trifecta of reviews Andy.👍😃 (Liked the 750, but legroom was tight even at 6 ft. tall)
Thanks Eric. 3 test rides in 3 hours was really pushing it a bit! Not least because of the pressure from the dealership. Customer is NOT king in Germany! 😂. The 1000 was already a tiny bit cramped, so I’d hate to think how tight the 750 would be. Shame really, as I’ve heard good things.
@@AndyManCam Yeah,got all the carbon goodies. And looking fine 👍I actually got the FF healplates for my bike, thanks to your vids 😃 Really nice quality!
This bike is arguably the most modifiable motorcycle on the market. If you wanted, you could make a 1200cc bonkers machine out of it, that would give a lot of full-on superbikes a run for their money. It's the K5-K8 GSX-R1000 engine which has been modified about as much as the Hayabusa, with loads of big bore/stroker kits available, with well-proven track records. www.bikesales.com.au/editorial/details/suzuki-gsx-s1200-review-58167/
@@whitegoodman7465 Well I know that. And a Hayabusa wouldn't perform anywhere as well as a tricked out liter naked bike, with 205 wheel HP, and 104 ft-lb wheel torque, now would it? Those numbers would obliterate all the naked bikes on the market, would leave all superbikes in the dust until about 140 mph, and the bike would still handle like a stock GSX-S, or better with suspension upgrades. Read the article, it's pretty interesting. It's not for everyone obviously and the reason the guy built it? Because he could. That K5-K8 engine is one of the very best for doing this.
For the fz1 one thing to look at is a reflash of the ecu makes a world of different in torque. I barely go above 5k now. But with newer technology I bet it is amazing fuel delivery.
Iam thinking about buying the 2020 gsxs 1000. and now u talk about MT10 i am like WOOT. ! in Denmark gsxs 1000 cost £15.642 and MT 10 is £22.835. Not even close to cost the same :O
@@AndyManCam I guess less and less people are buying sportsbikes now, and are buying more nakeds/allrounders instead. Is a little bit of a shame that the pocket rockets are becoming the dinosaurs of planet bike... but I guess with not a single faired bike in my stable... I am helping cause this mass extinction of them!
Absolutely! I hope you’re proud of yourself!! 😜. Thing is that in times where money and time is tighter than ever, people can’t have a bike for the daily use and a pocket rocket for Sunday blasts. Nakeds are just better all-rounders (I think). Plus the lack of fairings means you keep your speed down and it doesn’t cost as much when it gets dropped!!
@@AndyManCam I can believe this. I was in KTM Braintree in Essex about a month ago with a wad of cash burning a hole in my pocket. They didn't even acknowledge me let alone say hello and ask if I needed any help. Their loss.
Sad really. They’re soiling their own audience pool. Ironically though, the dealership were friendly, but oddly just ignored my many requests for a test ride. „We haven’t got a tester, it’s coming next week....“. And then they never call back.
@@AndyManCam Amazing they sell anything. People in sales who don't want to sell stuff. You couldn't make it up. I don't give my money to businesses like this. As I say their loss.
I think I’m actually going to make a ranty Video about it. I’ve gathered enough experience with dealers over here now! Though customer service here in Germany is next level. They wouldn’t know how to chase a sale if it rolled over in front of them.
You think they're big, you should see the ones in the UK! Also in Germany, you can get a slightly smaller one (like I have) but you just have to pay a little bit extra for it.
I know right! Why don’t manufacturers put more effort into the pipes!? The excess seems to be the way they work here. No consideration for making it an enjoyable test ride. Stress, Stress, stress.
Ah, the good old ‚good old new tyre myth‘ myth. Regardless of whether release agents, preservatives or whatever are used or not, the surface of a freshly molded tyre is smooth and shiny. It’s a result of the molding process. Mold shiny=tyre shiny. Therefore the chemical and physical grip will be slightly reduced until the surface is scuffed off. Ultimately, there is NOTHING wrong with taking it easy for the first ride on new tyres, at the very least to give you a chance to get used to the different handling characteristics. It baffles me as to why armchair warriors want to dispel this entirely harmless and good sense practice, simply to show how ‚clever‘ they are. As long as EVERY single tyre fitter that I’ve encountered continues to tell me to take it easy to begin with, then i think I’ll just keep doing it. You want to throw your bike down the road, go for it. But don’t encourage others to do the same.
@@AndyManCam That's a nice way of expressing congruency on the matter. As long as a brand new tyre is warm, it will have traction and adequate deformation for it's contact geometry as expected out of a slightly scrubbed tyre. Glad you know me so well as to thrown insults about arm chairs 😏 maybe writet my biography on my 30 years riding/training experience for me? Hopefully you humble yourself going forward, life will be better for you 👍
No congruence, no insults and as for humility, only one of us has been arrogant enough to force an opinion upon the other. All the Training and experience in the world won’t make me stop taking it easy for the first hundred or so kilometers of a new tyre. You do you, I’ll do me.
Haha! Never!! Don’t worry. I was fitting new bars today, Braided brake lines yesterday, new carbon slip-on next week... The FZ1 still has plenty of upgrade potential!!
@@AndyManCam haha nice! By the way, I drove the Schwarzwalder B500 today and noticed the pizzaria in Schönwald on your soggy schwarzwald video. Hilarious!
I honestly couldn't tell you. This dealership is a bit slap-dash when it comes to info. I asked for a test ride on an MT-10 on the same day. They gave me an MT-10 SP. Not quite the same thing! Needless to say, I bought a Honda from somewhere else!! 😂
"Old School Style LCD"..... Somehow never thought of LCDs as being of a bygone age.
Makes me feel really old ... thanks AMC.
Sorry about that! I personally still prefer the really old school dial option!! I guess that’s what happens though when you go straight from the super fancy colour TFT on the MT-10 SP.
Just bought the F version in that colour scheme , ye ye I know, people say it looks like a scooter blah blah. But I like it, good wind protection and feels really planted on the stock suspension. That engine though is a peach and for just under £9000 new, a bit of a bargain.
The engine was a stonker! Congrats on the machine mate!
Those top buttons on the dash is how you set the clock as well as the redundant things
Good to know. Thanks.
With long gears this thing could be a monster.
With long gears, it would be tamer and slower to accelerate. With the gears it’s got, it’s a monster!
@@AndyManCam I know, but it’s overly torquey for the sake of being torquey. Id trade that for 170 top speed.
@@i_read_bad_reviews Each to their own i suppose. I’d take torque over a ridiculous top speed that I’d never use any day! 😁
@@AndyManCam here in Texas the freeway average is sometimes 90mph. With stock gearing things get really buzzy. It looks like your roads are better suited for this bike.
Hey man what would you recommend between this a z1000 or an mt09? Thanks
Hard to say. Depends what is more important for you. The Z1000 has the stocky angular looks but is a bit cramped. The MT09 has bags of enjoyable torque but horrible fuelling. The Suzuki is smooth and powerful but a bit boring and behind on the gadgets. Ultimately I bought myself a CB1000R, so I chose none of them! You have to go based on what you want out of the bike and everybody is different.
I ride a 2015 cbr600rr but want something a little more fun to pop wheelies on. I think the fz will bring me that joy, just doesn’t seem like a stable bike to me for the highway. I like the front look of the z1000. The gsxs looks ok but sounds like it’s a pretty powerful bike. I’ve thought about the cb bought it just looks so basic and small. Anyway thanks for the feedback man.
That was a very enjoyable quickie. Thanks. 👍
My pleasure. Seems to be my thing...
I've just come back from a trip to Moselle valley on mine love it does everything very well mine's the f version with high screen it's happy at 150 on the unlimited autobarn and at 50 on a twisty back road its totally planted on high speed bends it really looks after you I've ridden tuno 1100 v4s superduke gt and i prefer mind
P.s. keep up the good work amc
That doesn't surprise me SS. Seemed like a very capable bike, and that soft seat certainly seemd like it could keep you comfy on a longer ride! Cheers mate!
Just bought a 2019 F myself, totally agree with you, cracking bike.
The reason why you failed to get into another traction control setting was that your throttle shouldn't be open, not even slightly : you should *close* the throttle, only then will you be able to switch the traction control setting. So you MAY be riding, but then, it is still mandatory to close the throttle...
Apart from that, I don't like this bike, I own one myself (model 2016). Even after swapping the ECU (under warranty, I hadn't had to pay anything), it is still too much on/off. In the mountains, in hairpin turns, this is quite tricky, as you can easily miscalculate a turn only because of some small bump in the road surface, resulting in a too eager bike acceleration response. Power and smoothness don't go hand in hand on this bike. My VFR800F handles a lot better on such terrain, as the latter doesn't force me to be ready with my rear brake, just in case the bike decides to go its own way...
Thanks! I found the on/off on this model to be really good. At least ten times better than my FZ1!
From everything Ive read, I believe the throttle touchiness problem was sorted out after the '16 or '17 model. My 19 is pretty smooth
I would love one!! I love the red and black ! Thank you Mate !
Certainly wouldn’t be a bad horse to have in the stable! Cheers for watching MR TPR!
"Oh! Tree!!" Stay away from the tree's lol
Sound advice! Thanks!
great review, how would you compare it to the fz1 and what would you rather own
I’d say about the same, except for the far smoother fuelling of the Suzuki. Though style wise, the FZ1 is the winner for me.
@@AndyManCam cheers andy that's great to know
My pleasure mate. Happy choosing!
One of the bikes I would be interested in if I were to go for a litre inline four. An old review but is the low/mid-range better than your CB1000R?
A point about these big Suzuki inline fours is that they rarely need the valves shimming, the tolerances are so large. My B-King never needed shimming, and I read on the B-King forum of someone who did his own servicing and had never needed to do a shim in 80,000 miles.
To add to yesterday's comments, the lack of unnecessary technology on Suzukis attracts me to this bike. I miss my B-King's engine but not the weight.
From what I remember, I wouldn't say it was much of a difference to the CB1000R. Perhaps slightly more grunt at the low end. Sounds like Suzuki have nailed it with servicing and reliability though!
@@AndyManCam Suzukis never go wrong, but how often do Hondas? Not often.
I certainly hope not!
Did you happen to notice some really bad vibration at 80ish mph (130km/h). When I test rode one the vibration was horrendous on the highway (the demo loop included a few light twisties, a desolate backroad :), and a stretch of interstate highway). And this is coming from someone who regularly does long distances on a Versys 650, which as you know isn't the worlds smoothest bike.
I didn’t, but then I was limited to short stretches of 100kmh road for the test, so I couldn’t rule it out!
what do you think of this compared to the CB1000? Is the riding experience radically different?
Not really. Both very smooth and powerful inline 4's. The CB1000R just looks a lot cooler while it's doing it! 😁
good review Andy .
Cheers Craig. Thanks for watching.
I enjoyed the surroundings more than the bike review itself. Where's this? I wanna visit. A quiet, green town that looks so relaxing
Cheers Kal. This is just outside of Hamburg in Germany. The bike was borrowed from a dealership in Duvenstedt, which is north east of the City.
Is there any reason why i should choos this [2024 version of gsxs 1000] over 2024 mt 10 sp except price rhing ? Such as agility, frame, engine durability, heat engine management, or maintenance ?
I believe they already change headlamp to led
Having not ridden the new one, i honestly couldn’t answer. Only real way is to ride them.
Hy Andy! Need your advice please... I had a 2010 Fz1 Fazer with fairings and I crashed her bad and it can't be repaired. Now I want to buy between the exact same model or the GSX1000S??? Is the Gixer an upgrade toward the Fz1? The Gsx1000s has the same high end rush and the top rpm is 12 000? Can make Fz1 bad than the Gixer with some modes? Thank you?!
Sorry to hear about the crash Milasan. The Gixer was definitely smoother and with lots more low end power. I think you'll just have to ride one to see for yourself though. You might love it! ;D
Is this a 2019? They were suppose to have dialed out the twitchy on off throttle response. I have a 2016 F model, the version with the fairing and I had to get my ecu flashed to take care of the throttle issue but it's a fantastic bike. Best I've owned so far
It is the 2019 model. I didn’t say it was twitchy. It’s really very good actually! It’s still not perfect, but then I haven’t ridden an injection bike that is! In any case, it’s head and shoulders above the offerings from the Yamaha stable!
@@AndyManCam I know, I was saying my 2016 was twitchy, I'm glad they dialed it out of the newer models.
Ah! Gotcha! Sorry. Obviously I can’t say for sure, but it certainly seems like it. The delivery was very smooth. More and more ammo to justify getting my FZ1 flashed... 🙄
@@AndyManCam Check out Buelle109 UA-cam channel. This guy has endless FZ1 mods. He lives near me in the states. I think he has enough performance mods and walkthroughs for the FZ1 that will keep you from looking at the MT10 for some time to come.
Cheers for the tip! I’ll take a look.
Nice vid, I’m about to buy the 2019 S750, love it 🤙👍
Very nice! I've heard very good things about the 750. Sounds like a real contender for actually being a better all rounder than the 1000! Enjoy your new machine mate!!
Andy Man Cam Me and a mate test rode for a few hours, the MT-09 & S750 and although I liked the MT with its 850cc and clutchless up shift (which was great fun when you wapped the throttle back and just banged up through the gears, 120mph in no time at all lol) I still loved the ride and handling of the S750, it’s very forgiving and although I agree with you that your knees are a little higher than some bikes, I got short legs at 30” so not so bad for me 👍 You should test ride the S750, nice machine, and of course gears are smooth and solid as it’s a Suzuki.
Sure, that wouldn’t surprise me. The 1000 seemed to have a very solid and planted feel. Like a trusty stallion that won’t let you down! That coupled with lighter weight must make the S750 a great ride. I’ll just have to freshly oil the knees before I try one!
Andy Man Cam I’ve certainly not heard any negatives from anyone who’s rode it, bar the usual ‘boring bike’ read online but that’s prob Yamaha fans - clicky lot 😁
Haha! Probably right! ‚Boring‘ seems to mean well fueled and refined lately. If it doesn’t want to throw you off in the corners via jerky acceleration, then it’s not ‚exciting‘ enough! Very clever brainwash marketing to cover up bad fuelling programming!! 😂
The zeros are the screen brightness I believe.
Cool. Now I know!
Have really wanted to give one of these a go to compare to my fz1 considering the value of my bike is about the same as a deposit on one of these.
Do it mate. It would be a worthy successor. The fueling is the best I’ve ridden in a new bike of late.
The 4x 0000 is the LCD brightness setting
Ahaaa! Thebthhings you learn when it’s too late! Cheers!
Did test drive this (GSX-S) at Lingvalls Motors in Sweden.
The trottle was very on/off .
I traded my KTM 1290 SAS 2018 to a Suzuki GSX-R 1000 2007
Love my old gixxers
Interesting. I found it far better than most EFI bikes I’ve ridden in the last few years.
That makes perfect sense. The one I had was as smooth as butter. Exactly my kind of fueling. That also explains the wheel lifting at 7000 too! 🤪
I rode the GSX-S1000 and GSXR-1000R back to back. The S had decent but not great fueling, but OMFG does it vibrate like hell at highway speeds. The true blue Gixxer has a MUCH smoother motor with much better power delivery, I never thought a 200hp bike would be so easy to ride. I would kill for a naked bike with the current Gixxer motor. At 80mph absolutely everything on the GSX-S vibrated like hell, and I'm used to my Verys 650 which isn't the worlds smoothest bike at highway speeds.
Short, but sweet. Top double entendre action too... 😂😂
Thanks Ewan! Sometimes the short ones are the best...
This or mt09?
That's a tough one. The MT-09 is WAY more exciting, but this is much smoother and better fuelled.
I'm French ( sorry for my English...) i have question, there is beter than fz1, ? ( for accélération) ?
Thanks ✌
Hi James! Yes, I think it is better for acceleration than the FZ1. Mostly because there is far more torque at low revs. With an ECU flash on the FZ1, I don't know if that would be the same. They're both certainly VERY fast though!
@@AndyManCam hi! Thanks you for your answer!! Ok I want buy gsxs 1000 but havent French test! Son thanks!
No problem! You’d best get busy then! 🏍
I've recently turned 64, and my lower back can't take my beloved Hayabusa and ZX-14r anymore. The GSX-S is on my short list of bikes that I might turn to. The KTM super duke is fast enough, but I can't take the looks. Is the MT-10 more comfy than the Zook?
I’d say yes and no mate. My legs were less cramped up on the MT, but the seat on the Z was far more forgiving. Smoother engine on the Z but more ‚natural‘ feeling Bar Position on the MT. I think the best way is to try and have a sit on each.
I've also ridden both bikes and also a Busa. The Busa's fueling is better than either of the other bikes. The MT-10 to me was a bit more comfortable, just a bit more relaxed riding position, the MT-10 also vibrates less, however the MT-10 has kinda jerky fueling in any mode and has a different powerband. the MT-10 comes on harder above 7000rpm, but the GSX-S comes on harder down low. The GSX-S vibrates BADLY at highway speeds and is turning some really high RPMs too (6000rpm @80mph, for comparison a stock Versys 650 is turning 6400rpm at the same speed with less than half the power, and considerably less vibration) the gearing on the GSX-S is also way too close, the MT-10 definitely was more relaxed at highway speeds and doesn't vibrate much.
mrvwbug44 I have also ridden these bikes, never a busa but I do own a zx14r and a gsxs1000f. I 100% agree with your analysis. I might add that the pegs are lower on the gsxs when compared to the zx14r and the bar is higher. But not like a adventure bike. If compared to my V-strom 1000 it’s no where near as comfortable. It’s an in between bike in regards to comfort. But the vibration is pretty bad through the pegs at anything over 60mph like mentioned. The seat is really comfortable. The engine I absolutely love. The gears are way to close. The note the bike makes from the intake is addictive and you can definitely keep the stock exhaust and be happy. Low down torque is fantastic. When compared to the MT10 and MT09 which I test rode before deciding on the GSXS, I can say I’m still very happy with my decision. There’s no perfect bike hence why I have so many different types. I think if I had to do it again I would buy the gsxs750... that hurts to say.
Have you thought about a z1000sx too .. very comfortable and just as involving at real road speeds ..:-))
I actually found the Z1000sx a bit cramped, when I sat on one in the showroom. I literally got cramp in my old man hip!! 😂😂
Another great sounding machine, definitely could have some fun on that beastie! Great job on the Trifecta of reviews Andy.👍😃 (Liked the 750, but legroom was tight even at 6 ft. tall)
Thanks Eric. 3 test rides in 3 hours was really pushing it a bit! Not least because of the pressure from the dealership. Customer is NOT king in Germany! 😂. The 1000 was already a tiny bit cramped, so I’d hate to think how tight the 750 would be. Shame really, as I’ve heard good things.
Eric, Im 6ft 3 and find the 1000 to be pretty fine, the 750 was a bit cramped.
Yay, but does the FZ get envious ? 😄👍🏻
Noooo! She still keeps getting new upgrades, so she’s happy! Plus I‘ll not be upgrading any time soon!
@@AndyManCam Yeah,got all the carbon goodies. And looking fine 👍I actually got the FF healplates for my bike, thanks to your vids 😃 Really nice quality!
Cool! Glad to hear your happy mate. Hopefully will be something else from FF in autumn/winter. 😬
@@AndyManCam Ooh, nice 🙂 I might just have gotten the carbonbug too. 😁
It’s a dangerous addiction!!
This bike is arguably the most modifiable motorcycle on the market. If you wanted, you could make a 1200cc bonkers machine out of it, that would give a lot of full-on superbikes a run for their money. It's the K5-K8 GSX-R1000 engine which has been modified about as much as the Hayabusa, with loads of big bore/stroker kits available, with well-proven track records. www.bikesales.com.au/editorial/details/suzuki-gsx-s1200-review-58167/
That’s good to know. I had no idea. So you could buy it new, see the warranty through and then afterwards pimp the crap out of it!
@@AndyManCam That's one viable scenario. hahaha
That's not the point of reason they made the gsx S line. Just get a Hayabusa if it's all about straight line speed.
@@whitegoodman7465 Well I know that. And a Hayabusa wouldn't perform anywhere as well as a tricked out liter naked bike, with 205 wheel HP, and 104 ft-lb wheel torque, now would it? Those numbers would obliterate all the naked bikes on the market, would leave all superbikes in the dust until about 140 mph, and the bike would still handle like a stock GSX-S, or better with suspension upgrades. Read the article, it's pretty interesting. It's not for everyone obviously and the reason the guy built it? Because he could. That K5-K8 engine is one of the very best for doing this.
Short & sweet, it's best it's neat! A couple of clicks on the rear preload would of sharpened it up no bother.
Cheers Terry. I didn’t actually find the suspension too bad. It was the seat that was soft! Though that’s also no bad thing. Delicate arse!! 😀
Andy Man Cam - OK, the less said about the better! 😳😆
Haha! Very much so!
Nice review for a short ride. seems like a nice bike.
Thanks Kev. It made a really good impression.
Hi, just subscribed. How tall are you?
Hi Dinijel, welcome to the channel! I’m 6‘4“
@@AndyManCam Thanks, I am 6.1, it should ne OK for me.
Absolutely. Unless you have freakishly long legs! 😉
@@AndyManCam 83 cm inseam. Hope this helps me. 😎
Should be good! Hope you enjoy your test ride!
How would you compare the power and delivery to your FZ1?(asking as an FZ1 owner)
Considerably better mate. Smoother and with lots more torque at the lower end.
For the fz1 one thing to look at is a reflash of the ecu makes a world of different in torque. I barely go above 5k now. But with newer technology I bet it is amazing fuel delivery.
I'm totally on board. Just waiting for a good opportunity to get it done. Considered the FTECU kit, but at 400€ it's a bit lumpy.
Yeah it was hard to bite the bullet, but worth it. I went with Ivan's, love it.
Wait, this looks like the UK but you're driving on the right. I am confused.
It's in Northern Germany Matte. Just outside of Hamburg.
I have to admit that inline 4s do sound nice, but too bad they didn’t give you enough fuel so we good hear a lot of those revs. Be safe mate.
Haha! So true! What a cheek that he told me to fuel up, after giving me an empty bike!!
Iam thinking about buying the 2020 gsxs 1000. and now u talk about MT10 i am like WOOT. ! in Denmark gsxs 1000 cost £15.642 and MT 10 is £22.835. Not even close to cost the same :O
Yeah the price difference is pretty crazy. Whether you get enough extra bike for the extra cash is up to you! 👍🏻
And the fuel consumption at low speed is.... cut
...better than the fuel consumption at high speed!
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Is this the 2019 model?
It most certainly is!
Starting with my A2 license tomorrow :D Wish me luck
Good luck mate! Do well!
GOOD LUCK
I've had a go on the 750 version, really nice bikes! :-)
Absolutely. Seems Suzuki have really upped their game in the naked field lately.
@@AndyManCam I guess less and less people are buying sportsbikes now, and are buying more nakeds/allrounders instead. Is a little bit of a shame that the pocket rockets are becoming the dinosaurs of planet bike... but I guess with not a single faired bike in my stable... I am helping cause this mass extinction of them!
Absolutely! I hope you’re proud of yourself!! 😜. Thing is that in times where money and time is tighter than ever, people can’t have a bike for the daily use and a pocket rocket for Sunday blasts. Nakeds are just better all-rounders (I think). Plus the lack of fairings means you keep your speed down and it doesn’t cost as much when it gets dropped!!
100% Would be nice if the manufacturers maybe made a naked crotch rocket though with the racer riding position!
I’d say that the S1000r was getting close to that kind of format. Swap out the supervise bars for some clip ons and you’re there!
Please try out the 2019 KTM S A S 1290. Love your videos!
Cheers mate. I’ll give it a try. The KTM dealership has proven quite resistant to my advances so far!
@@AndyManCam I can believe this. I was in KTM Braintree in Essex about a month ago with a wad of cash burning a hole in my pocket. They didn't even acknowledge me let alone say hello and ask if I needed any help. Their loss.
Sad really. They’re soiling their own audience pool. Ironically though, the dealership were friendly, but oddly just ignored my many requests for a test ride. „We haven’t got a tester, it’s coming next week....“. And then they never call back.
@@AndyManCam Amazing they sell anything. People in sales who don't want to sell stuff. You couldn't make it up. I don't give my money to businesses like this. As I say their loss.
I think I’m actually going to make a ranty Video about it. I’ve gathered enough experience with dealers over here now! Though customer service here in Germany is next level. They wouldn’t know how to chase a sale if it rolled over in front of them.
Man those german licences plates are huge..
You think they're big, you should see the ones in the UK! Also in Germany, you can get a slightly smaller one (like I have) but you just have to pay a little bit extra for it.
Twice in one day, I admire your stamina 😂MT10 and this obviously 👍🏻
Cheers! The Niken was on the same day too! 😬
You can pick these up for under £9,000 these days but if a bargain as long as you don’t want all the latest gizmos 🙂
That is a bargain. Mind you, my CB1000R only cost a handful of change more than that....
@@AndyManCam your right £9700 for a new one! Bargain 👍
Nice to see a new bike with a nice end can. Bit steep on the excess though 😱
I know right! Why don’t manufacturers put more effort into the pipes!? The excess seems to be the way they work here. No consideration for making it an enjoyable test ride. Stress, Stress, stress.
I had more fun on the gsx than the mt10.
I can totally see why! In fact, so did I! Horses for courses I guess! This is definitely more of a refined gentleman, next to the hooligan MT-10!
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Thanks for the input.
Ah the good old "new tyre" myth
Ah, the good old ‚good old new tyre myth‘ myth. Regardless of whether release agents, preservatives or whatever are used or not, the surface of a freshly molded tyre is smooth and shiny. It’s a result of the molding process. Mold shiny=tyre shiny. Therefore the chemical and physical grip will be slightly reduced until the surface is scuffed off. Ultimately, there is NOTHING wrong with taking it easy for the first ride on new tyres, at the very least to give you a chance to get used to the different handling characteristics. It baffles me as to why armchair warriors want to dispel this entirely harmless and good sense practice, simply to show how ‚clever‘ they are. As long as EVERY single tyre fitter that I’ve encountered continues to tell me to take it easy to begin with, then i think I’ll just keep doing it. You want to throw your bike down the road, go for it. But don’t encourage others to do the same.
@@AndyManCam That's a nice way of expressing congruency on the matter. As long as a brand new tyre is warm, it will have traction and adequate deformation for it's contact geometry as expected out of a slightly scrubbed tyre.
Glad you know me so well as to thrown insults about arm chairs 😏 maybe writet my biography on my 30 years riding/training experience for me?
Hopefully you humble yourself going forward, life will be better for you 👍
No congruence, no insults and as for humility, only one of us has been arrogant enough to force an opinion upon the other. All the Training and experience in the world won’t make me stop taking it easy for the first hundred or so kilometers of a new tyre. You do you, I’ll do me.
What's happening? No more space left for gadgets on your bike so you are looking for more? :D
Haha! Never!! Don’t worry. I was fitting new bars today, Braided brake lines yesterday, new carbon slip-on next week... The FZ1 still has plenty of upgrade potential!!
@@AndyManCam We live vicariously through your Russian Missile Cruiser upgrades, Andy old bean.
Haha! Da Komrade! Spasibo!
Dont think, just buy...😉
I wish I could! The stage where the credit check machine explodes on the dealers desk is a bit of an unavoidable eventuality though!!
@@AndyManCam haha nice! By the way, I drove the Schwarzwalder B500 today and noticed the pizzaria in Schönwald on your soggy schwarzwald video. Hilarious!
Ha! Brilliant. As roads go, it’s alright isn’t it!? I hope it was a little dryer for you though!
This looks like the Z model, same as what I got
I honestly couldn't tell you. This dealership is a bit slap-dash when it comes to info. I asked for a test ride on an MT-10 on the same day. They gave me an MT-10 SP. Not quite the same thing! Needless to say, I bought a Honda from somewhere else!! 😂
@@AndyManCam haha. Nice!
@@AndyManCam you mean the CB1000? How do you like it compared to gsxs?
#BrandTraitor #Thatswhatshesaid 😜
Yeah, really crossing the brand networks here!!
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Flapping is sooo annoying, you must speak with your producers darlings
I’ll have my assistant send them an email. Can’t be having that in future.
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Amazing how they just pop up out of nowhere!
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