After this guide I started playing Luna and went on a 18-2 streak in last 20 games, including 11 streak on Luna and I jumped from 2700 to 3000 MMR in like 2 days, extremely helpful.
Actually amazing guide BSJ! As per usual, your enthusiasm for Dota is infectious and attention to detail is second to none. Thanks for your hard work - a 1hr video is no small project.
It's an excellent guide. One thing I personally have a different preference on than BSJ. BSJ is a big-fan of blink dagger on Luna, he's not a big fan of Hurricane pike. BSJ uses blink as to get away from enemy ganks. BSJ is not a fan of Hurricane Pike because he doesn't necessarily want to put distance between him and the enemy. So let's go over the pros and cons of blink and pike. Blink 2250 gold - upgrade dragon lance to pike 2550 (350 gold difference would be around 30 seconds for Luna in that game phase, note: without the recipe the forcestaff would be 50 gold sooner) Blink takes up a slot - pike doesn't (since it's an upgrade) Blink distance 1200 - pike on self or ally 600 (range 550) Blink Disabled 3 sec when taking enemy damage - Pike doesn't get disabled by taking damage Blink can't be uses on allies - Pike can be used on allies Blink cooldown 15 seconds - Pike cooldown 23 seconds Blink no stats - upgrade lance to pike gives additional stats 15 intelligence, 200 health, 4 agility, 3 strength. Blink can't be used to break an enemy linken's - Pike can be used to break an enemy linken's Blink no extra stats when used - Pike used on enemy 5 attacks with +100 attack speed, with no range restrictions (for 6 seconds). Use an an escape item: For me the big plus of blink would be the range (1200) and also it's less clear where to you might have blinked for the enemy. As when using pike/forcestaff to escape, is only 600 and the enemy sees you going, you even flatten the trees 😀. Yet if the enemy hits you, blink is disabled, pike/forcestaff is not. In fights: BSJ doesn't necessarily want to put distance between him and the enemy he's attacking. BSJ talks about Luna 's strong point being in the mid of the fight making fully use of glaives hitting the enemies around the one she's attacking. Yet if you use pike on that same enemy, Luna's glaives still works exactly the same hitting all the enemies around him, the same as when you are standing right next to him, only with 5 attacks at +100 attack speed (so also 5 glaives with +100). Pike puts 450 distance between Luna and her target. Will Luna's allies still be in her lunar blessing aura? Well Luna's blessing aura has a range of 1200, so I'd say they probably all still are in that range. Use of pike positions Luna more at the back of her team. IMO not necessarily a bad thing, being a glass canon type of hero like Luna. Does use of pike put Luna out of cast range for using Lucent Beam? No, cast range is 800 How does using pike affect Luna's using her ult. Ult radius is 675, so after using pike that enemy is still in range. Other enemies might be out of range though. Not a bad thing IMO, Luna's ult damage dispersing over less enemies. Your team wins the team fight, you used pike, the remaining enemies try to escape. You are further to the back, and thus less able to contribute in the chase (if you want to participate in that, instead of directly turn focus to taking down objectives). (also this point is only relevant in the rare occasion this happens just after you used pike and before you been able to move back forward into the fight, in fact if pike is of cooldown when the fight ends, you can use it to catch fleeing enemies). You lose the fight, and you want to escape, blink possibly is disabled, pike you can use to forcestaff yourself away. You want to reposition during the fight, blink will be disabled, with pike you can force yourself to the better position. With pike you can force an ally into a better position during the fight, were blink can't be used on allies. Conclusion: in the phase Luna is still doing a lot of solo farming, not dying is a big thing and the 1200 range and elusiveness of the position you blink to, might be essential in surviving ganks. Having a pos 1 carry that is ahead or behind can be game winning or losing. Aside from this the pike clearly wins in every other aspect. So I'd say in games where enemy ganks are a major risk, go dagger. In safer to farm games, definitely go pike. PS. I didn't include Swift dagger in this because it's a much more expensive item (the upgrade from blink dagger to swift dagger is an extra 4550 gold!!!). But if you do have it, it renders the extra slot and stats argument irrelevant. But then again when the game goes on so long, you have so much gold you don't know what to do with it, why not buy both Swift blink and hurricane pike, after that you can think about giving your whole team moonshards 😂😂😂
@@bananaslamjamma I'm trying to understand it. I boiled it down to 2 possibilities: -The 1200 blink range + no stats, always trumps bad stats + 1 more slot and all the other tiny perks I mentioned, in any game situation? -Or if you don't go blink dagger, you still don't upgrade lance into pike because there are better ways to spend that gold?
@@adpop750 Plus the information value (not revealing direction of escape) is incredibly valuable. That, combined witb the 0 manacost allows increased farm speed (blink for farming), increased lane shove, and general map presence
One small correction: Lunar blessing (like most auras) does not affect illusions but is granted by illusions. So they don't get the +35 damage, but they will grant it to allies who are near your illusion. I know it's a nitpick but because we're talking about a total of 70 damage between the two illusions it's the difference between manta being a must-buy every game and good buy in some games.
This is necro asf but I believe it’s almost always good for her. Let’s her cut and push much safer, a dispel is always nice, and glaives alone make the illusions insane. Agreed: lunar blessing would totally make Manta way more insane.
I'm a Luna spammer and learnt a lot from this. Also great to hear some form of confirmation that what I've been doing so far either matches or is very close to what your guide states. Also special shoutout to 50:00 to 50:07 on the video. ;)
Thanks for this guide, I do play Dota 2 for a couple of years but i'm more of a casual player. Somtimes I don't play it for weeks and forget stuff. So, I use this guide to re-learn Luna again. Thank you.
I feel like Luna is one of the hardest carries to play properly in my experience. Mechanically she may be simple but she is almost impossible to play properly conceptually in a teamfight all the time. To me every fight with her is dancing on a razor edge.
Most definitely, you’d either need to Q up with someone you know or to have a rating so both teams just aren’t filled with psych ward escapees & jihadists who believe the more they die the more damage they do, her range is so slow you’d need great map awareness & knowing which skills are up.
Great Guide and content! As a side note, people should avoid using these early eclipses when there is no vision on the enemy or he can juke on trees, it is really easy to get baited in those situations.
Addendum for the new shard: it allows her to stand her ground quite well rather early, especially since her fight potential doesn’t suffer from detouring to Shard. I’d pick it up in any game where man-fighting is a concern, or we need a bit more burst to secure gank kills.
two choices what the other guy said. or you are the 1 tell your team to fuck off and do what the other guy said. basically if your team want to run around your jungle all game and the enemy team is invading it cross the map yourself. If the enemy are playing there jungle/side of the map you are the pos 1 tell your team you need the safe farm and that they should smoke as 4 and invade the enemy jungle or pick off and push a lane to create you space
@Alfan Zain just try...literly asked today from my pos 4 in turbo to do so...humans brain( men ) is not multi tasked so focusing more than 1 or 2 thing is going to be hard.
@@parham1023 9/10 times i ask them at start, remind them min 5, and min 10 i learn they forgot. Also, unlike a few years back, there is so much more content and guidance available... why on earth would i need to remind someone with over 1k games that luna needs stacks
@@CastlesKingSide maybe it's luck or some other factors... But I always ask...cause until you are immortal you are bad at the game( or atleast aspects of it.)
it's not true. I play pos4/5 in the crus 5/archon 1 bracket. I stack every single game when there is a hero in my team that can take stacks. But it feels so bad when the idiot carries don't take the stack and the opponent ends up taking it.
so if luna loses when her team sucks and wins when her team is good, doesn't that mean she has entirely no impact at all? farm all game and your impact in teamfights entirely ddepends on the performance of your teammates. very strange.
Whenever i play this game i always feel the opposing carry gets 4 5 levels on me almost every time i may have 4 kills 12 min in he has 2-3 or less what can i look at? stack pulls etc supports to vary
BananaSlamJamma can you explain when do you go both Dragon Lance and Mask of Madness instead of just one item. At min 44:00 youre showing a game where you had both and then a bkb. I once tryed buying both and then at min 25 we got pushed our mid in and i have nothing to fight with. If i had earlier bkb and skadi and i skip Dragon Lance, i could participate in defending our base probably.
@@bananaslamjamma Thanks. Very insightful, no sarcasm. I wonder however, if i get mom at 8 or 9 then get skadi/sy/manta at maybe 15-20 some item for me to increase dps or be more useful then just beams and ult, i could still probably get bkb for 25. Is it better to rush bkb as fast as possible or maybe i can build only one of the small items mom/lance and squeeze in a useful item before bkb? Because if i have lance/mom, i probably dont want to use mom in fights for most part, cos it make me weaker, dragon lance is very little stats, so i have basically only bkb. But if i go mom and lance, then i cannot squeeze in a useful item for fighting and get bkb at 25 at the same time. Thats my dilemma kinda.
I m trying to learn AM have around 52% winrate maybe at around 50ish AM games but BF n Manta timings r not on par Best BF at 16 how to improve can u do AM guide Thanks @bsj
The key to getting an early BF is understanding that you do not build ANY starting items. If you are not laning with a friend who brings salvs to lane you start with 1 set of tangos 1 salv and quelling blade rush ring of regen and you should be set. PA is a little easier because you can dagger creeps for last hits. On AM you need to judge how aggro you can be level 1 trading your salv for burning the enemies mana to save yourself the harass over the next couple waves.
Second this. AM guide pls. He may not be top tier rn, but he is a strong counterpick, and as he is a staple of dota and will never be nerfed into shit tier due to popularity, it is worth knowing the fundamentals.
Bro, I hope you can also make a guide for QOP Mid in the near feature. I don't know what I'm doing wrong. I always win my lane like 8 or 9 out of 10, but I lose most of my games specially if it gets on late game. I always do my best man. I try to farm as fast as I can, always be everywhere on the map specially on team fights and I'm always farming creeps using Boots of Travel. Around 30 mins. I already have, Boots of Travel, Sange & Kaya, Shard, BKB & Euls'. I also try to play like how you coached that Herald, Void Spirit on one of your video, but still in the end I lose and it sucks. Feels so bad when I stomped my opponent in mid so much that I'm already at level 11 and he's just level 7 or 8, then he's able to make a come back just because of my idiot teammates and I ended up losing the game. I know people here may laugh at my rank cause I'm just Guardian I right now, but it so hard to climb up. That's all man, thanks!
linken s sphere + your talents are not the good ones you have to choose the 18sec one at level 25, then You are immortal (i'm also guardian lol) and tbh I hate QoP I always ban her because of her linken s sphere + her 25 level talent. She s annoying
in your bracket, it's better to play heroes that can solo carry games if you are confident that it is not you but your "teammates" that are holding you back. Also, there are many smurfs in that guardian to legend bracket.
Luna spammer. l dig everything here but even if situational, i disagree with aghs being meme. I know you're talking about high tier bracket but for lower bracket people, rushing aghs into refresher is an amazing way to get secure mid game. Also dragon lance can be dissasembled so you don't need all 4200 aghs gold. You should always migrate into right clicker build tho.
I disagree as buying aghs implies all the opposite of these 50 minutes monologue, as aghs imply you want to spend a lot of time in teamfights and often at close range. While it is a good situational luxury item, it is a wrong philosophy in general to think of it as a too good item to purchase regularly, it dictates contradictory set of movements and decisions than the hero is meant to function.
i got lvl 30 luna, and boy i tell you meduza is so easy opponent. Meduza never buys BKB, so you just buy scepter and ultie her from farr, and she melts. Aboslutely worst matchup i find is PL. Good video though.
Have like 30 games on archon bracket with Luna 62 % w/r my advice is do not play her below mid legend people just fuck up ur lane and does not give you space to farm.
@bsj i tried to follow this guide but i lost my match real hard with luna in herald bracket. I cannot seem to win with carry's. Lost all my matches with ursa even the 2 matches where we were winning and suddenly it all changed. With luna it started bad because sniper qeued as support and played carry and my support didn't give anything of healing and keeping the lane low. I played against tusk and bristleback and had a realy hard time cause of the harassment. I'm thinking of just quitting the game cause it makes me so mad sometimes and i probably suck at it big time. Is a review of my match with ursa or luna possible cause i'm at a loss here.
@@phunweng962 yeah... i m in herald (again) and i tried to farm and carry the game but it s almost impossible because of Teamfights (and people need the carry to be there at some point but she needs farm a lot)
After this guide I started playing Luna and went on a 18-2 streak in last 20 games, including 11 streak on Luna and I jumped from 2700 to 3000 MMR in like 2 days, extremely helpful.
Actually amazing guide BSJ! As per usual, your enthusiasm for Dota is infectious and attention to detail is second to none. Thanks for your hard work - a 1hr video is no small project.
Not to mention technically accurate with the game physics.
I really enjoy how passionate BSJ explain everything for us. Dude really loves the game.
i hope he doesn't burn out.
@@lyjaugs everyone who plays dota does at some point, and inevitably they come back.
It's an excellent guide. One thing I personally have a different preference on than BSJ. BSJ is a big-fan of blink dagger on Luna, he's not a big fan of Hurricane pike. BSJ uses blink as to get away from enemy ganks. BSJ is not a fan of Hurricane Pike because he doesn't necessarily want to put distance between him and the enemy. So let's go over the pros and cons of blink and pike.
Blink 2250 gold - upgrade dragon lance to pike 2550 (350 gold difference would be around 30 seconds for Luna in that game phase, note: without the recipe the forcestaff would be 50 gold sooner)
Blink takes up a slot - pike doesn't (since it's an upgrade)
Blink distance 1200 - pike on self or ally 600 (range 550)
Blink Disabled 3 sec when taking enemy damage - Pike doesn't get disabled by taking damage
Blink can't be uses on allies - Pike can be used on allies
Blink cooldown 15 seconds - Pike cooldown 23 seconds
Blink no stats - upgrade lance to pike gives additional stats 15 intelligence, 200 health, 4 agility, 3 strength.
Blink can't be used to break an enemy linken's - Pike can be used to break an enemy linken's
Blink no extra stats when used - Pike used on enemy 5 attacks with +100 attack speed, with no range restrictions (for 6 seconds).
Use an an escape item:
For me the big plus of blink would be the range (1200) and also it's less clear where to you might have blinked for the enemy. As when using pike/forcestaff to escape, is only 600 and the enemy sees you going, you even flatten the trees 😀. Yet if the enemy hits you, blink is disabled, pike/forcestaff is not.
In fights:
BSJ doesn't necessarily want to put distance between him and the enemy he's attacking. BSJ talks about Luna 's strong point being in the mid of the fight making fully use of glaives hitting the enemies around the one she's attacking. Yet if you use pike on that same enemy, Luna's glaives still works exactly the same hitting all the enemies around him, the same as when you are standing right next to him, only with 5 attacks at +100 attack speed (so also 5 glaives with +100).
Pike puts 450 distance between Luna and her target. Will Luna's allies still be in her lunar blessing aura? Well Luna's blessing aura has a range of 1200, so I'd say they probably all still are in that range.
Use of pike positions Luna more at the back of her team. IMO not necessarily a bad thing, being a glass canon type of hero like Luna.
Does use of pike put Luna out of cast range for using Lucent Beam? No, cast range is 800
How does using pike affect Luna's using her ult. Ult radius is 675, so after using pike that enemy is still in range. Other enemies might be out of range though. Not a bad thing IMO, Luna's ult damage dispersing over less enemies.
Your team wins the team fight, you used pike, the remaining enemies try to escape. You are further to the back, and thus less able to contribute in the chase (if you want to participate in that, instead of directly turn focus to taking down objectives). (also this point is only relevant in the rare occasion this happens just after you used pike and before you been able to move back forward into the fight, in fact if pike is of cooldown when the fight ends, you can use it to catch fleeing enemies).
You lose the fight, and you want to escape, blink possibly is disabled, pike you can use to forcestaff yourself away.
You want to reposition during the fight, blink will be disabled, with pike you can force yourself to the better position.
With pike you can force an ally into a better position during the fight, were blink can't be used on allies.
Conclusion: in the phase Luna is still doing a lot of solo farming, not dying is a big thing and the 1200 range and elusiveness of the position you blink to, might be essential in surviving ganks. Having a pos 1 carry that is ahead or behind can be game winning or losing. Aside from this the pike clearly wins in every other aspect. So I'd say in games where enemy ganks are a major risk, go dagger. In safer to farm games, definitely go pike.
PS. I didn't include Swift dagger in this because it's a much more expensive item (the upgrade from blink dagger to swift dagger is an extra 4550 gold!!!). But if you do have it, it renders the extra slot and stats argument irrelevant. But then again when the game goes on so long, you have so much gold you don't know what to do with it, why not buy both Swift blink and hurricane pike, after that you can think about giving your whole team moonshards 😂😂😂
Tbh pike is just a bad item right now. No one at the highest level buys it this patch. If the item becomes stronger it would replace dagger
@@bananaslamjamma I'm trying to understand it. I boiled it down to 2 possibilities:
-The 1200 blink range + no stats, always trumps bad stats + 1 more slot and all the other tiny perks I mentioned, in any game situation?
-Or if you don't go blink dagger, you still don't upgrade lance into pike because there are better ways to spend that gold?
@@adpop750 Blink has zero manacost which has high value for an agi hero, and can be upgraded into a high value swift blink
@@adpop750 Plus the information value (not revealing direction of escape) is incredibly valuable. That, combined witb the 0 manacost allows increased farm speed (blink for farming), increased lane shove, and general map presence
14:58 this number haunts BSJ everywhere he goes
8:22 That Ancient Apparition is literally made of salt
This guide is good because it explains why my worst carry is Luna and the mistakes I've been making all along.
One small correction: Lunar blessing (like most auras) does not affect illusions but is granted by illusions. So they don't get the +35 damage, but they will grant it to allies who are near your illusion. I know it's a nitpick but because we're talking about a total of 70 damage between the two illusions it's the difference between manta being a must-buy every game and good buy in some games.
This is necro asf but I believe it’s almost always good for her. Let’s her cut and push much safer, a dispel is always nice, and glaives alone make the illusions insane. Agreed: lunar blessing would totally make Manta way more insane.
I'm a Luna spammer and learnt a lot from this. Also great to hear some form of confirmation that what I've been doing so far either matches or is very close to what your guide states. Also special shoutout to 50:00 to 50:07 on the video. ;)
you have any tips and tricks? ..
14:57 "I already hit for 69 damage, which is super N I C E"
Thanks for this guide, I do play Dota 2 for a couple of years but i'm more of a casual player. Somtimes I don't play it for weeks and forget stuff. So, I use this guide to re-learn Luna again. Thank you.
I feel like Luna is one of the hardest carries to play properly in my experience. Mechanically she may be simple but she is almost impossible to play properly conceptually in a teamfight all the time. To me every fight with her is dancing on a razor edge.
Most definitely, you’d either need to Q up with someone you know or to have a rating so both teams just aren’t filled with psych ward escapees & jihadists who believe the more they die the more damage they do, her range is so slow you’d need great map awareness & knowing which skills are up.
That's the beauty of the beauty of BSJ's guides
The only content creator I dare not push the skip button at any time. Another great masterpiece!
Great Guide and content! As a side note, people should avoid using these early eclipses when there is no vision on the enemy or he can juke on trees, it is really easy to get baited in those situations.
33:46 talents "let or right" no. "left or right" should be the correct one.
Addendum for the new shard: it allows her to stand her ground quite well rather early, especially since her fight potential doesn’t suffer from detouring to Shard. I’d pick it up in any game where man-fighting is a concern, or we need a bit more burst to secure gank kills.
Damn it BSJ I been using Luna for easy wins the entire patch and now you release this video so I have to deal with other team picking luna
What is "Let or Right" talents?
Awesome guide bsj... damn... really smart way of explaining stuff. Great wording.
I appreciate your video man. Very helpful to me even though I am immortal rank. Hope you can post another video for LS. Thanks
"In the words of these whatever great coaches of actual sports say..."
I nearly spat out my beer.
Perfect, love the vibe and the tempo!
I like your format bro! Would love to see all the heros in game.
31:31 BsJ identified that executive nobody likes but can't get rid of
Finally, I have been waiting for Luna and Sven to have a BSJ guide
Great guide, really enjoying these
Thanks. Shard was changed but I still learned a lot. Gonna put it to practice tomorrow but already feel like it'll work. I'm herald 1
Another great guide! Got to watch this one on stream as well!
I am a Luna player and you taught me new things, thanks for your guide
Well explained! I am inspired to play more luna
Is agha sceptor/refresher a good build
Great guide. However I can never play luna now. Always banned or first picked.
"I already hit for 69 damage, which is super nice"... I saw what you did there.
would you say tusk or clockwerk 4 would be something you wouldnt want to go into as luna then or do you not so much care about that?
Luna free farm really feels as a Mario bross with the star unstopabble, also she can end a game in record time with her glaves on multiple buildings
Will we get a How to play Doom guide this patch ?
Hate all you want on BSJ. But this guide is amazing!!! Already won first couple games on Luna.
What do you do in bad games where you cant avoid the enemy and farm because your whole team is defensively farming?
buy a smoke, farm other teams jungle and cut waves then tp back once they rotate. The same principles of creating space if there is none apply.
two choices what the other guy said. or you are the 1 tell your team to fuck off and do what the other guy said. basically if your team want to run around your jungle all game and the enemy team is invading it cross the map yourself. If the enemy are playing there jungle/side of the map you are the pos 1 tell your team you need the safe farm and that they should smoke as 4 and invade the enemy jungle or pick off and push a lane to create you space
I really learned new things. Pls do a carry am guide next
thank for the guide. though has to be said, in lower brackets, it hurts you a bit that supps in 2022 still haven't learned to stack
You have a chat...ask them sometimes they forget.
@Alfan Zain just try...literly asked today from my pos 4 in turbo to do so...humans brain( men ) is not multi tasked so focusing more than 1 or 2 thing is going to be hard.
@@parham1023 9/10 times i ask them at start, remind them min 5, and min 10 i learn they forgot. Also, unlike a few years back, there is so much more content and guidance available... why on earth would i need to remind someone with over 1k games that luna needs stacks
@@CastlesKingSide maybe it's luck or some other factors...
But I always ask...cause until you are immortal you are bad at the game( or atleast aspects of it.)
it's not true. I play pos4/5 in the crus 5/archon 1 bracket. I stack every single game when there is a hero in my team that can take stacks. But it feels so bad when the idiot carries don't take the stack and the opponent ends up taking it.
Can u make a video about how the supports Can gank mid?
lunar blessing night vision is super underrated. spirit beat lgd in game 2 only because of that night vision.
More guide like this PLEASSSSS
I've been spamming luna recently, the biggest issue I have when I get ahead, It's hard for luna to go high ground.
Can I have the match ID for all the example games?
Do u disassemble dragon lance to build bkb/yasha?
So sacking the lane at enemy offlaner lvl6 is not a winning play this patch?
so if luna loses when her team sucks and wins when her team is good, doesn't that mean she has entirely no impact at all? farm all game and your impact in teamfights entirely ddepends on the performance of your teammates. very strange.
BSJ Thanks mate.
Great guide
Thank you great guide!
Whenever i play this game i always feel the opposing carry gets 4 5 levels on me almost every time i may have 4 kills 12 min in he has 2-3 or less what can i look at? stack pulls etc supports to vary
Thanks really helpful and well made guide BSJlord
All i have to say is,Game Leap sukcs :-D Best guide ever,very clean and helpufull.Tnx dude,for Salameni and Dark Moon.
i just feel bad for where you learned English
BananaSlamJamma can you explain when do you go both Dragon Lance and Mask of Madness instead of just one item. At min 44:00 youre showing a game where you had both and then a bkb. I once tryed buying both and then at min 25 we got pushed our mid in and i have nothing to fight with. If i had earlier bkb and skadi and i skip Dragon Lance, i could participate in defending our base probably.
If you have mom plus Lance you would get the mom around 8 or 9 min. Lance at 12 ish and bkb by 18 or 19. So you should be able to fight at 25 min
@@bananaslamjamma Thanks. Very insightful, no sarcasm. I wonder however, if i get mom at 8 or 9 then get skadi/sy/manta at maybe 15-20 some item for me to increase dps or be more useful then just beams and ult, i could still probably get bkb for 25. Is it better to rush bkb as fast as possible or maybe i can build only one of the small items mom/lance and squeeze in a useful item before bkb? Because if i have lance/mom, i probably dont want to use mom in fights for most part, cos it make me weaker, dragon lance is very little stats, so i have basically only bkb. But if i go mom and lance, then i cannot squeeze in a useful item for fighting and get bkb at 25 at the same time. Thats my dilemma kinda.
I m trying to learn AM have around 52% winrate maybe at around 50ish AM games but BF n Manta timings r not on par Best BF at 16 how to improve can u do AM guide Thanks @bsj
The key to getting an early BF is understanding that you do not build ANY starting items. If you are not laning with a friend who brings salvs to lane you start with 1 set of tangos 1 salv and quelling blade rush ring of regen and you should be set. PA is a little easier because you can dagger creeps for last hits. On AM you need to judge how aggro you can be level 1 trading your salv for burning the enemies mana to save yourself the harass over the next couple waves.
On PA I get a BF at 10-11 mins
Am sucks don't pick him
Second this. AM guide pls. He may not be top tier rn, but he is a strong counterpick, and as he is a staple of dota and will never be nerfed into shit tier due to popularity, it is worth knowing the fundamentals.
i once fight juger and ursa as luna in a game , i buy ethereal blade and their crumble and strugle to deal demage to me lol
Hey BSJ, love you man
So good thanks banana 👌😁
Great content!
Mask of madness is similar to midas on invoker. These 2 situations exactly what storm stomer said
Bsj win rate high with Luna except when he plays against Mason’s weaver
BSJ DO YOU DO COACHING???
Bsj so handsome in that jacket.... He looks like the protagonist for the future fall out 5
What a video bro you are amazing bsj
BSJ is a God!
Wasn't completely grieving me XD
the perfect graph settings for dota 2 guys??
Holy fk this is probably the best guide i have ever watch legit first game I play luna make comback and get rampage. thanks for free mmr
14:58 69 dmg... super nice
Really nice
Well done bsj
Bro, I hope you can also make a guide for QOP Mid in the near feature. I don't know what I'm doing wrong. I always win my lane like 8 or 9 out of 10, but I lose most of my games specially if it gets on late game. I always do my best man. I try to farm as fast as I can, always be everywhere on the map specially on team fights and I'm always farming creeps using Boots of Travel. Around 30 mins. I already have, Boots of Travel, Sange & Kaya, Shard, BKB & Euls'. I also try to play like how you coached that Herald, Void Spirit on one of your video, but still in the end I lose and it sucks. Feels so bad when I stomped my opponent in mid so much that I'm already at level 11 and he's just level 7 or 8, then he's able to make a come back just because of my idiot teammates and I ended up losing the game. I know people here may laugh at my rank cause I'm just Guardian I right now, but it so hard to climb up. That's all man, thanks!
linken s sphere + your talents are not the good ones you have to choose the 18sec one at level 25, then You are immortal (i'm also guardian lol) and tbh I hate QoP I always ban her because of her linken s sphere + her 25 level talent. She s annoying
in your bracket, it's better to play heroes that can solo carry games if you are confident that it is not you but your "teammates" that are holding you back. Also, there are many smurfs in that guardian to legend bracket.
at the 40:20 he had no ult for tf... i don't think the benefit of the quicksilver amulet was worth having no ult for that lol just bad luck
seer is incredible against luna. outmanuevering her and creating her giga replica
Typo on one of your talent slide, "Let or Right"
niceeeee thanks bsj sama
I am inspired. I'll go for the 0-4-4-0 stats skill build. This channel is amazing.
Luna spammer. l dig everything here but even if situational, i disagree with aghs being meme. I know you're talking about high tier bracket but for lower bracket people, rushing aghs into refresher is an amazing way to get secure mid game. Also dragon lance can be dissasembled so you don't need all 4200 aghs gold. You should always migrate into right clicker build tho.
I disagree as buying aghs implies all the opposite of these 50 minutes monologue, as aghs imply you want to spend a lot of time in teamfights and often at close range. While it is a good situational luxury item, it is a wrong philosophy in general to think of it as a too good item to purchase regularly, it dictates contradictory set of movements and decisions than the hero is meant to function.
Aghs is not a meme. I saw it on a pro game already. And win with it. Just wait me here and i'll search it for u guys.
@@perregreen5037 still waiting
25:50 did he say meteor hammer?
22:21 ya, she is !!
Malding AA made my day
Let or right?
When u can't fight them what do you do?.
35k nw next teammate 8.6 in min 40
split push...
i got lvl 30 luna, and boy i tell you meduza is so easy opponent. Meduza never buys BKB, so you just buy scepter and ultie her from farr, and she melts. Aboslutely worst matchup i find is PL. Good video though.
The audio is cutting in and out and it's taking away from the video
Bro you predicted supports can share regen
I don't understand. If barathum is stupidly broken. Why is Luna good?
Bara likes those who show up on lanes. Luna can jungle and flash farm and appear on lanes, when Bara is charging someone else somewhere else.
another quality content
It is hard to take him seriously when Pale Horse makeup exists and is extensively publicized by ingame NA cards. Nonetheless its a good guide.
Luna was the hardest nerfed hero in 7.30 She has a great kit but in low mmr pubs... you just die constantly
she s very fragile, it really depends too much on the pick and not too much on her abilities (like medusa)
nice!
viper sees luna's move speed and just cries
hit creep, beam hero, hit creep. damn
Have like 30 games on archon bracket with Luna 62 % w/r my advice is do not play her below mid legend people just fuck up ur lane and does not give you space to farm.
@bsj i tried to follow this guide but i lost my match real hard with luna in herald bracket. I cannot seem to win with carry's. Lost all my matches with ursa even the 2 matches where we were winning and suddenly it all changed. With luna it started bad because sniper qeued as support and played carry and my support didn't give anything of healing and keeping the lane low. I played against tusk and bristleback and had a realy hard time cause of the harassment. I'm thinking of just quitting the game cause it makes me so mad sometimes and i probably suck at it big time. Is a review of my match with ursa or luna possible cause i'm at a loss here.
Watch out Herald 3, I'm about to hit you with some glaives
not a ideal hero to play at herald. Luna can't solo carry
@@phunweng962 yeah... i m in herald (again) and i tried to farm and carry the game but it s almost impossible because of Teamfights (and people need the carry to be there at some point but she needs farm a lot)
Im spamming luna in ancient, currently 1W - 4L anyone care to help me?
FUCKING JENKINS XDDDDDDDDDDDDDD ITS THE BEST ONE
Damn according to stream title I'll be a better Luna than yatoro guys :)