Why I HATE my random orbital sander (and how to fix it)
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- Опубліковано 28 тра 2019
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As a cabinet maker, move your sander counterclockwise and slow, this will remove lose grit faster then going clockwise helping the lose piece of grit stay under longer leaving marks and also going counterclockwise your moving away from the rotation, cutting faster and much less buildup on pine or other pitch type woods. Trick I learned years ago that leaves 90% of swirls out.
Thank you frank baum !
Glad I saw this before my next project. Going to try it out and hope I get better results.
Man, you went into a lot more detail and information about that than 99% of other woodworking creators. That’s why I love your channel - you don’t hold out on the nerdy bits because it’s important to know the details to understand something.
Nice comment. The reason why is as important as "it works". The thought processes work and future solutions will be gained.
What can also really wear down the velcro is sanding half your project without noticing the paper has some off. d'oh!
Oh frank I'm sad you of all people commented without watching the video. That's literally the third of the 3 common problems and the one he spent the most time on
Sad to say I've forgotten to put the paper on before sanding and wondered why I wasn't getting faster results.
I've done that!
3M spray adhesive.... it will keep the paper on👍
frank howarth
🤣🤣 yep I’ve been there.
Well, I'm into wood-working only temporarily, superficially, just right now. Have a few jobs to do, wants to do them perfectly, so I do some research to reach perfection as far as I as an amateur are capable. Then I rather swiftly stumble upon this guy: Stumpy Nubs.
No doubt. He is COMPETENT. Trust me, I can judge: by appearance, by content, by his wording. I got no competence in this field but I trust this guy based on a life-time of experience in other fields. He got 887k subs but deserve even more. Yeah, so do support him as I will do. Thank you for producing this high-quality content.
A really common cause of pigtails *and* excessive dust loading is when the user applies too much pressure on the tool. Allow the tool to float over the surface of the wood like a floor buffer. Let the weight of the tool do the work; all you have to do is steer the thing. Your sanded surface will be far smoother and your sandpaper will last a lot longer because the dust extraction will function properly.
Exactly, and if that light pressure isnt doing anything, your paper grit is too fine!
thanks for the tip, first time using the damn thing, and my velcro was melting from the sides
That was the first advice I was given both before and again after messing up the first thing I ever sanded. I decided to listen the second time.
i must have a crap sander, if I try to go lightly the thing wants to vibrate out of my hands and fly across the room
Concise, articulate, well informed. Possibly the best out there.
Started woodworking last year at 73. Stumbled onto your channel and enrolled in SNU (Stumpy Nubs University). Professor, you’ve really shortened my learning curve and at my age that’s important. Thank you!!!
That's funny you said "Stumpy Nubs University" because we have been working on something with that same name for about a year now...
Thanks for making these videos Short. In other words, not dragging out the subject like so many other youtubers do.
My experience with these sanders and sand papers matches your descriptions exactly. I was able to correct the ‘pigtails’ problem by following your advice. Was also able to purchase a replacement hook-disk from my local Makita dealer. Thanks for an informative video.
This video was ridiculously helpful. Most worthwhile 7 minutes that I've spent in a long time.
I always start on and stop off meaning start the sander while it is flat on the surface and lift it straight off before turning off the sander. If you don't, the edge can dig in and leave a "smile" in the surface that can show in the finish. This was from training by a 3M rep. I've been doing it this way in the marine industry repairing boats and prepping them for paint for decades.
Something else I've noticed is that new users don't change discs often enough. The grit gets dull or comes off the paper. You get to a point where it's no longer cutting efficiently and you are just moving back and forth, not really doing the job. If you pay attention, you can feel when the paper is not cutting.
I love sanding! It heralds the nearing end of the project and you start to see the beauty of the wood better and better. Plus....it is very meditative if you approach it that way.
Ha yeah, I've got a table an stuff that ill never varnish or oil i just resand it every few years. ..magic. ... :)
Just bought my first random orbital sander last night. Thanks for this! Glad I saw it before I started to use it this weekend! Great stuff as always!
I've been looking to buy my first one in the very near future. Thanks very much, James. I crushed a troll.
Mr. Nubs😏 does the best, easiest to understand, clearest descriptions I’ve seen on any of the UA-cam videos!!
Thanks for your insights😁
Just watched your presentation on common problems with Random Orbital Sanders...
now I feel ready to go buy my first ever sander.
Thanks!!
Ok, amazing tips for those who can afford carbide and those of us who can't. My Black and Decker 5 gal shop vac, (old and pretty weak) cleared out the hooks that I never thought to clean. Now it doesn't matter what brand of sand paper I use. It hooks like new. Thank you brotha'.
Just bought a random orbital sander. Glad I watched this informative video before I used it. Thank you for the good advice👍👍
Thanks for the tips, I learned something new about my sander thanks to you ♥️
You are truly the professor of woodworking. I feel as though I'm in a college class when I watch your videos...thank you 🤓
I feel like I know everything about woodworking, but Stumpy always surprises me with something new.
Another perfectly executed video, sending my thanks from the UK.
You have THE most informative woodworking channel on UA-cam. Thank you.
I second that emotion
I am going to add you to my very short list of solid dependable resources to refer my students to. Great work!
Just a couple of weeks ago I had to replace the pad on my Milwaukee ROS. I think a few of the tips here, had I been doing them the last few years, would have saved me that $20.
As always, thank you, James!
I know I am super late to watching this video, but thank you so much for it. This information will be so helpful going forward. I have experienced a lot of the issues you brought up and now I finally can take the appropriate actions to remedy them. Thanks again.
From one teacher to another; your ability to communicate thoughts and knowledge is outstanding. Thank you!
Love this channel. Really informative but presented in a way that I like.
Whether a diy'er or a journeyman finish carpenter like myself, the learning never stops.
Storing your sander with a disc on it is a good idea and new to me. I thought I was being lazy leaving a disc on my sander but instead I was being smart. And sanding more slowly. I rarely have issue with swirls as I don't skip grits but I definitely will slow down especially at the lower grits. I did have grit marks in some bamboo once. It took forever and I got impatient. After I applied a clear coat I could just barely see some 60 or 80 swirls. Maybe it was a combination of not spending enough time at each of the lower grits and sanding too fast. Live and learn!
I had issues with my sandpaper not adhering. Thanks for the info and history on why this happens and most importantly the solutions to remedy this problem.
Hooking my sander up to a dust vac made such an improvement!
Thanks James-great advice as usual.
I plan on doing my first sanding job next week and I just purchased my first orbital sander. I've been reading up and watching everything I can about it so I don't mess anything up. You have helped me SO much! I didn't know ANY of this and now I know what may be wrong with my sander BEFORE I've even used it. Also, thank you for the storing tip. I love my tools and I clean them and store them so they last a long time and I would've DEFINITELY taken the sandpaper off and stored my sander without it. Now I'll make my sander last longer and know I'm doing right by it. Thank you! 💖
I also recommend this video: ua-cam.com/video/qDYPGgjQmF4/v-deo.html
@@StumpyNubs I actually watched that video RIGHT after watching this one. That video was the one I subscribed on. 😁 Thanks.
Thanks for responding - I always enjoy your shows
I've only just descovered you and I have to say your videos are really nice and informative. Lots of useful tips for a noob like me. Thanks
Hey James, thank you for taking the time and effort to produce this video and recommendations regarding the use of an orbital sander and tips for disc slippage problems.
Thanks for this video in particular. Been using belt sanders and details sander quite awhile for wood surfaces. Just got a project where I needed a Travisher or a 5" / 6" orbital sander for shaping seats. I just got a orbital sander with 5" and 6" pads. So, this info is handy. I'm still going to order a coupler Travishers.
So clear... so important and so useful. Great job, James.
This is most useful information. Thank you for explaining it so clearly.
Such a great collection of hand tools in the background!!🤩
Stunned by your collection of tools behind you. Thank you for the instructions and hints.
It’s a mural, not really tools. (JK!)
thanks, didn't know such sandpaper existed. you've probably just saved me alot of $
Thanks James for your help once again.
I don't think this dude realizes how knowledgeable he really is. Thank you, James!!
Sshhh,,,,don't let him know. He might start charging us for all that knowledge! haha He has been one of my favorites for a long time for his common man approach. Great channel!
Do you have any tips for keeping your router bits in one position? No matter how tired I tighten the router up around those bits they seem to move up or down which cause problems in my work. As well as waste material.
Finally bit the bullet and bought the carbide kit. It’s 15% off right now and your coupon saved me another 10%. So I saved about $60. Didn’t want to miss that deal.
I bought a used sander from eBay & just learning. Thanks for the head start.
Thanks James these tips should help me solve my random orbital problems.
Great information, I have been using random orbitals for years. Will definitely try this stuff out...
Useful information, thanks for posting. I have launched some paper discs from my sander, ended up having to buy the pad as you mentioned when the discs just would not stick anymore.
I'm a 65 year old that has VERY limited experience in woodworking. I really appreciate your approach. While you remain very technical, you make it easily understood for us old newbies. THANK YOU!!
Always a pleaure to watch your informative videos. You just might have solved a problem with my Dewalt DW 421 random orbital sander. Thank you very much indeed.
You are a hero! Problem solved, thanks! Now off to watch the rest of your clips.
Another great video with practical tips and directions. I ALWAYS learn something new from you here. Thank you. 🙂👍🇨🇦
Great video. Thank you for all the great tips. My sander just arrived today!
Diablo makes a sanding disc called Sandnet. It solved all my pigtail problems (never tried it without suction though). It's awesome.
Hi James, thanks for a great no nonsense video with lots of brilliant tips, especially for a newbie DIYer like myself!
Within seven minutes, I learned that I know virtually nothing about random orbital sanders. Thanks for all the great info!
Just ordered a Duragrit disc. Can’t wait to try it out!
I’m on my second Bosch ros because I liked the first one so much. I finally wore out the mechanism that makes it random on the 1st one but that was after a lot of sanding over about 3 years.. you can get new Velcro pads for about $20, great way to extend the life of the sander.
If Bosch is anything like porter cable sander, has a small rubber ring which gives it its orbital action. Mine came off unknowingly, and turned into a rotary sander. Part cost me less then 10$
Great information, thank for another helpful video.
Excellent video! Clear, concise and informative.
Great video! Thank you for taking the time and make this video 👍🙏♥️
The carbide disc tip sounds like just what I need. Thanks
Very informative, as always. Thanks for sharing !
I brought sheets of Velcro and cut to shape of my multi tool 🤔 thanks for your blog from the uk 😁👍🏻🇬🇧
Some helpful advice. I'll slow down how quickly I move my sander and use more grades of paper. Thanks
Thanks for the clear, informative tips for this beginner! Now I know what to look out for!
carbide sanding discs...AWESOME! Had no idea. Thanks for sharing
Very practical tips. Thanks. I learned a lot.
Thanks for yet another thorough and helpful video!
And I thought it was only me when the discs fell off. Thanks for the confidence boost.
Your videos are real gems! Thanks.
Good one. I didn't know the effect of moving the sander too quickly. Or that much about the velcro solutions. Thanks.
Thank you for sharing. My first cheap Black & Decker had a champ grip but died. When I replaced it with a Makita, there was so much I loved about the experience but found it was not gripping the paper properly. I considered it a defect so I returned it to find that Dewalt had a similar backing that poorly adhered to my sandpaper. Ironically, both sanders held well to cheap Chinese sand discs I got in bulk off amazon while it war the more expensive Freud discs that just wouldn't stay sticky. There was still plenty of grit on the paper, it was just unusable because it wouldn't stay stuck to the sander. Thank you for explaining Stumpy Nubs @ the extra pad & carbide disc. I'm tempted to give it a go.
Sir you know what you'r taking abut.Great video
I only use 220 grit with the DA sander and very light pressure on woods then hand sand my finish. Especially when staining. Love the show.
Thanks! I've been dealing with this just yesterday
Good info,, I have a very Very old sander , 1980’s vintage, lol. It has the Bail type latch system.. pain in the butt to change paper...
Soon to upgrade, during my Kitchen makeover,, I did Not know about the pigtails,, most of my projects have been small... now however I will be building cabinets for the wall... this will be handy to know...thanks for posting this...
Love your videos. Relatively new to woodworking and the pigtails from sanding are frustrating! lol! I will try these tips out on my next project!
info is very much appreciated, extremely helpful thanks
thank you very much, stumpy. now i can finally sand without trying to gronk spike my sander every time it clogs with dust or whatever happens to it that you talked about in this video.
Wow you got nice display of planners and trim tools.
your presentation info and manner of presentation are terrific! thanks!
Thanks James, recently tried to refinish a maple workbench that I had used Shellac on, the Shelac. melted making blobs sticking to the sandpaper after a few seconds, went through a lot of sandpaper discs quickly, they I remembered wet sanding, I sprayed window cleaning spray on the surface and cured my problems. Thanks for your dedication to all of our safety and sucess.
Shellac dissolves in alcohol and will re-dissolve as well. I have never tried to remove it this way, but I suspect denatured alcohol will do the trick.
@@StumpyNubs Hi James, alcohol is the reason I wanted to replace the Shellac, surface was a work desk and once in anwhile I’d try to clean a part with alcohol, spill one drop and the surface got gooey till it dried. Four coats of poly later it is now great. Spar Varnish is st ill my fav, though the Minwax Poly was fume free and quick drying. You knew all this, hope it helps your novice subscribers. Thanks for t he note.
Geez, that's answered a lot of questions about my orbital sander!!! Nice job man!
wow I never knew about that stick, I had seen some carpenters use them in other channels,but didnt think of it. Thanks for the info. I've ordered one .
REALLY good info James. Cheers! Chris.
James once again a great video. Thanks for the tips.
Priceless. Thank you!
I am new at using power tools.... just received my electrical sander... Find your video very helpful but most of all your presentation/explanation make it fun and not intimidating for a rookies... Thank you ..Wish me luck... tomorrow will be my first time using a sander/random obital sander 😅😅😅
James, great information. Thanks for sharing.
Like all of your videos, another installment of exceedingly helpful information. Thx much
Excellent informative and well-explained tips. Thanks. I learned a lot. Hardware store, here I come for a new sanding pad!
Great tips. Good advice. Thank you for sharing.
Thank you for all your great information!
Thank you for this info, very helpful!
Good stuff! Thanks, James!
The Velcro on my Dewalt orbital has in my opinion the perfect ratio of grip with ease of paper removal
I have just tested Dewalts. All bit one of the new models had bad velcro.
Project Farm did a good comparison on different brands of paper and which ones lasted longest but did the most sanding he has many good comparisons on different products , glues drill bits , sharpeners ,ect . love his reviews all non biased
These tips are very useful. I have enjoyed this video and learned a lot!
Bosch Gex rotosander, Mirka abranet ( doesn't clog ), and good air suction. Never a problem. Now I'll try these duragrit...