That was the perfect way to demonstrate the difference between the various sanding options Peter; excellent choice and really clearly explained as usual.
Marvellous way to demonstrate a simple function like sanding but a very dysfunctional machine sanding market. Thank you for clearly explaining all these different sanders and avoid a lot of disappointment and unnecessary expense. This video combined with others regarding sanding techniques has really helped me to understand that such a simple job can be quite intricate and skillful to achieve superb finishes. 👏
I'm a painter and decorator and I push a Festool 150mm 3mm stroke sander for a good 20hrs+ a week. Love it. You really appreciate the lower vibration of a good sander when you finish work for the day and can still feel your fingers. I have many others but the 150mm Festool is my favorite.
What I can’t understand is why you only have 44K subscribers. This is a really excellent channel full of useful woodworking information. You deserve better!
Great video!!!! My house’s paint is in terrible shape, and I am currently sanding all of the paint off. When I first started my project, I did little research. I ended up using a random orbit sander, which was too delicate and was not removing material well. Thanks to your video, and after lots of research, I realize orbital sanders are best for my application.
I have been using a belt sander to clean up a painted fence to get it ready for new paint. I have done a few panels, but I am glad I ran into your video. I have an orbital sander and will switch to this for the rest of the job. Sounds like it will work a lot better.
Yes, it is excellent for rough timber. If you you're just starting out using only hand tools and can not afford a planer, thicknesser, or table saw, and have to make do with structural rough timber, a belt sander is ideal used in conjunction with a hand held planer.
This is an absolutely brilliant video! Thank you for cleary explaining the uses for each sander and the situations you would use them in. The visuals on the painted board was fantastic!
Peter thank you for passing on your experience and knowledge which I for one appreciate this is a subject that few people understand myself included. I’ve 3 sanders and didn’t realise the differences in working with them. I always thought it was more to do with the grade of sandpaper then the sander itself thank you for enlightening me....🤔🤔🤔 Thank you for this excellent video 👍👍👍
Excellent and enlightening! I started with a 5-inch sander, but hardly ever use it now that I have a 6-inch ROS. Last time was for sanding overhead since it's lighter weight. My 6-inch sander also has an optional 5-inch pad that you can change out. Thanks for the clarification on the finishing sanders and the scratch patterns on all of them. My oscillating multi-tool has some triangular sanding attachments, and I don't find them very useful. But in a specialized project I can see that they'd come in handy.
Good video!!! Just one remark: The first sander does not make an oscillating circular movement around one center point as you explained. This would give longer curved scratches at the edge of the paper than in the center, which is not the case! Instead all the grains make the same small circular movements over the whole paper surface.
Great video Peter, I have almost exactly what you recommend. I have a Dewalt 1/4 sheet palm sander and a very old BOSCH PEX 400 and both have handled every job from paint stripping to de nibbing MDF paint finishes around the house. Looking forward to Monday, as I will be downloading the MEASURING UP podcast, so I can listen when I go back to my rusty metal second home in the middle of the North Sea. Keep up the good work my friend.
Peter Millard Thanks. I noticed you didn’t talk about the Mikita bandslip - the narrow one. www.verktygsvaruhuset.se/product/makita-9032-bandslip- I always have this one with me when doing an install.
Very informative video; lots of technical knowledge I was ignorant of. For some of us DIY involves a goodly proportion of tasks other than cabinet work and fine finishing (so not always working to secure a flat plane, and often working to secure what is an acceptable compromise/organic surface finish, maybe more outdoor than indoor projects). Maintenance, repair and recycling is a good part of what I do; and there belt sanders (flattening large-scale glue ups; cleaning up much-used work surfaces; floors, roof-work) and flap-disks on angle-grinders come into their own. I also like mouse sanders, albeit they don't last long.
Many thanks. I've got a Lidl belt sander which can take off a lot of material quickly. You do know that almost as soon as you sell your linear sander you'll need it again. 😀
Nice video Peter. Coincidentally I inherited that same Black & Decker sander from my Dad. I used it until the motor gave up. In the years that followed I’ve gathered eight different sanders!1 🙈 Including four Festool sanders on which the dust collection is just awesome. Thanks again for the info. 👍🏻
Excellent video, Peter. Very well explained and again I've learnt new things. Of course, if you do get rid of one of your sanders you can guarantee you'll need it within a few weeks!
Very informative. I would like to sand my varnished dining table and chairs in order to paint them and this video will help in deciding what’s the best sanders to use. Thank you.
Great video Peter! One of those areas of knowledge that I kind of understood but not as fully as I should have. The painted board is an excellent way of demonstrating and clarifying it all. Especially I never knew what made the Rotex distinctive (and now, of course, I want one!) . I also very rarely need my belt sander 👍
You're such a smooth-operator Mr. M... Sade would be proud of ya ... 😏 By coincidence, I had 3 varnished internal (egg-box🙄) doors to sand yesterday... (voluntary working for a homeless charity group) I was supplied with a hired-out oscillating sander with a bunch of 40g sheets... the biggest problem for me was the sheet loading & glazing... a pain in the adze.. 😒 The dust was horrendous, that little clip-on bag had a hole in the corner so the dust went everywhere. I had my respirator & goggles/ear defenders so I was reasonably protected... more than I can say for the (vacant) room I was in !! 🤫😬 My Lidls belt sander is used for rough sharpening & cleaning gunk from scrapers & trowels if(when) I forget to clean 'em. It even came with 2 G clamps to clamp it to a bench... 😉 😎👍☘🍺
Thank you for the well illustrated explanation about sanders. I now have a better understanding about these tools. A list of the sanders in an illustrated summary would be useful with the best application. If you don't have space limitations, keep them all the sanders, you just never know until you come up against a problem. What tool would offer the best solution.
I’m just sort of learning about the bigger world of sanding and this video was perfect in explaining and SHOWING the differences. Thank you so much for sharing this, Peter!
I wonder what the Aldi or Lidls ROS is like, I don't know 'bout you Keith but I couldn't afford a fancy festool... & I don't do enough work to justify it either 🙄😕 😎👍☘🍺
@@KeithMinnion Dewalt seems to have slipped in the ratings amongst pros lately... Makita is nice.. Metabo is a great make but not sure if they do a ROS... 🤔 😎👍☘️🍺
Good coverage of types of sanders, but some info on the abrasive used would also be helpful. 3M has revolutionized orbital sanding with their Extract discs. These not only cut better but also distribute the dust more effectively. They are all I use now and would never go back to the traditional discs with the holes.
Published 2019, long before 3M extract was anywhere near our shores. And honestly, having used it extensively, I’ll politely disagree. It’s just the latest ‘unobtanium’ marketing nonsense - but you should use whatever you like, as will I. 👍
Thanks Peter. Pretty interesting the difference between Sanders. I have random orbital and bench disc sander the rest is done by hand. All my stuff is usual curved and elliptical in nature so this fullfils all my needs. You missed out on a couple of Sanders. The finger detail sander and the Dremel sanding sleeves both of which get utilised in my shop a lot, just because of the types of project I make. I would recommend a finger sander to you. They are a brilliant little tool for taking off a lot of material. Much better than the belt sander you used for that type of work. Still a belt sander essentially so you have it covered I guess. But get one and you won't believe how you managed to cope without it.
Thanks! When you say finger sander, do you mean like a file sander eg powerfile? I’ve had them, and almost never used them tbh; I do refer to them on the accompanying blood post at 10minuteworkshop.com. 👍👍
Hi love the video very helpful, thanks 😊. I just want a sander for diys around the house. Black and decker sanders are available here. What one would you recommend? Also we want to sand off decorative popcorn ceiling? So one that could do this and diys please
Hi Peter, very useful and explains why my recently bought cheapo (lidl) ROS pad spins. Bought to try one out and clean up some windows for rough painting. I do use a belt sander quite a lot, either hand held or in a bench frame. Hand held for cleaning up 'sawn timber’ rather than a power plane, in the bench frame for many things but all shaping rather than surfaces. Just done a count up of my sanders - heve seven! how did that happen...
Hi Peter - great video, I need a sander to do my Red Cedar boards on a dormer to bring them back to life. I was going to get a belt sander due to the speed it would remove the surface but having watched your video it would have been a disaster 🙈 - I,m now focused on 150mm RO 5 mm stroke do you agree and prob 60/80 3m discs. Any preference between geared and not geared I,ve got around 40 Sq M to sand Thanks again any different manufacturers I should consider extraction not an issue as I’m outside. Rgs Andy
Thanks Andy. Cedar is very soft, so I’d be a little cautious about using a geared sander - it would absolutely strip the finish off faster than anything, but would potentially dig into the material very quickly too. If you’re working off ladders or scaffolding, or overhead, then consider the sander weight carefully too. The Mirka Deros form-factor is very good I f you can live with the flappy paddle. Just finished a long term test, that and all my other sander vids are in a playlist here 👍👍 Sanders Playlist - bit.ly/SandersPlaylist
yes peter great video quick question to you, i have 7 interior pine doors with the 4 sections on them heavily varnished also skirtings which are piled up ready to work on the wife wants them painted which sander would you recommend without breaking the bank and would it be better to prime then paint or just paint after sanding?
That, Peter, was the most useful explanation of the variety of sanders that I have ever come across. Extremely valuable to me, who is considering buying a random orbital sander, but not understanding exactly why I need one. Thanks to you I now know what sander will do what job. BTW I have one of those old B & D sanders still! Often wondered why it was not much good!... Well done. Looking forward your next Measuring Up blog, which I have missed during the summer break.Could you and Andy consider doing it weekly rather than fortnightly, please?
Once used a multitool to sand a mahogany door down, & then spent ten times longer again sanding the zig-zagging deeper scratches out by hand. Never again. This is after I gave up with a Bosch ROS when it melted the replacement pad... I've just bought a Ryobi ROS - probably not the best option, but I'm only building outdoor furniture and going to try not looking at the results too closely...
my 1st and maybe only one is a rotex 125. i nearly get everthing done with it. if not, like inside corners, i'm just handsanding the remaining parts..works grwst for me and i LOVE that machine...
I never thought about a linear sander. I just bought a house from the 1800 and it has all original windows and some of the stair rails need to be redone. Thank you I will look into this
Having to many sanders is something you solve by adding more storage! Two more I like beyond those you reviewed are the DTS400 and the RAS115. The Delta is a nice "do it all" for certain jobs and the RAS is just a material removal brute! Something I've recently found useful .. strip discs on an angle grinder. I've only come across them recently and I've found them to be a great way to remove paint.
Good! Hope it helps! Take a look at he blog post as well, there's a bit more detail about the type of sander, not just the type of sanding process - link in the video description👍
Forgot I had subscribed to your goodself. Pleased to see that you are still banging out the quality videos. Will watch a few with a glass of wine. Cheers
I'm about to sand down some pallet planks to make a fence up on my balcony so I'll be looking into the best sanding pad for this type of wood project.. I have a hand one and I'm thinking that's good enough to use as I had sanded down floor board before. But I think the sandpaper I used will need to be alot rougher... I bought one in Argos so it should be OK. The changing of the paper is a bit tiresome and tedious. Any suggestions wud be greatly appreciated..
Wish you would list name of “great” sander in your opinion cause I’m trying to buy another sander that would help my super struggling work ( my sanders don’t get me too far until I sand it several times {several several} ).!
Thanks for a good video. You mentioned that belt sander was designed to remove large quantities, but now are other ways to do that. What other ways? I am very interested in that. Thanks.
I'm trying to figure out if I should add the RTS 400 or DTS 400. I love the versatility by all the attachments with the RTS 400. However I've been doing a lot of cabinet work lately and I thought it would be nice to get any left over glue squeeze out from drawers or cabinet corners with a DTS. I've currently been doing it by hand by just folding a pad and giving it a few scrubs but I'm trying to find a way to spend maybe 10 seconds per corner removing a little excess glue instead of 2 minutes. Do you think the RTS is good enough for this application Peter? Or maybe the Rotex 90 since it has multiple attachments?
Meh, I just realized there aren't a lot more attachments for the RTS. I had the accessories for it confused by the LS 130. Very disappointing. Maybe I'll just add a triangle sander to my multitool and call it a day... /sad
Hi Peter, love the videos. Looking at sanding off varnish from about old Victorian doors which have a really dark varnish. They will be waxed afterwards. They Can’t be chemically stripped, so was thinking of getting a good quality Radom orbit sander but unsure know if this would takes ages to do and therefore if it was worth investing in a festool rotex 90. Given the price difference don’t know if it is worth it? Thanks!
Hi Mark, and thanks! Old Victorian doors will be a bit tricky as they'll likely have mouldings around the panels that are best removed, if possible. After that, they're fairly straightforward to sand back with a random orbital, though you'll need something to get into the corners. I see where you're going with the RO90, but I'd be concerned that it would be a bit too aggressive; that, combined with the small, size means it can be quite a handful, and is very easy to get away from you and 'dig in'. I think for the money, you might be better getting a decent 150mm RO sander with a 5mm stroke to take care of the larger flat areas, and a cheaper, smaller orbital sander (palm sander) to deal with the internal corners. Unless it's super-tough varnish then a 6" random orbital with a lower-grit abrasive should make short work of it. HTH, P
Metabo 450(??) SXE is decent for the money - or was, back when I had mine. Pretty sure Bosch do a decent one, and Makita of course. Or there’s always the Sealey branded version of the Mirka clone from ffx. 👍👍
Nice video Peter, I have recently purchased the metabo sxe450 which has an adjustable throw for finishing and a more aggressive sanding. Very pleased with it.
Great video, personally very useful. I'm into turning and planning on experimenting with some furniture, maybe with character timber/epoxy panels and am in the market for some kind of powered sander. Helped confirm my thoughts about buying a random orbital machine. Next decision is, which one? Many thanks Peter.
Been waiting for this one. There's always been the shelf of sanders in the background and the odd titbit of wisdom slipped in over the last couple of years. Great, simple way of showing the differences, thanks. I was always very dismissive of the need for quality sanders and have very mediocre examples of the common types. Definitely going to invest a bit more thought (and cash) from now on. Thanks ever so much, as always.
I just picked up an orbital and a detail sander, was going to return one , but seems having the two is a good idea , am i correct ? New to sanding and diy . Thanks for the video 👍🏻
Depends on how much detail work you have planned; an orbital sander can do an awful lot of what a detail sander can do, but if you need that narrow angled head, then you need it. 👍
A wonderful, precise and professional explanation. Much better that many others out there. Thank You very much. What grit do You recommend for stripping down laquer?
Thanks for this and all your other wonderful videos! Do you think you could do another video just like this one but for saws? Mitre saws, jig saws, plunge saws, etc? Thank you!
Turquois Black and Decker sanders? Could be worse, in the USA they were either a beige that leans in towards avocado or a bright orange. (I liked the orange, easy to find in the pile up under my bench.) I like my belt sander for "hogging off" stock when adjusting the fit of doors and windows, finding a hidden nail with a well sharpened plane blade can spoil my day, belt sander just keeps on.
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Whoever said a picture is worth one thousand words was right on! Thank you for taking your time to educate me.
That was the perfect way to demonstrate the difference between the various sanding options Peter; excellent choice and really clearly explained as usual.
Marvellous way to demonstrate a simple function like sanding but a very dysfunctional machine sanding market. Thank you for clearly explaining all these different sanders and avoid a lot of disappointment and unnecessary expense. This video combined with others regarding sanding techniques has really helped me to understand that such a simple job can be quite intricate and skillful to achieve superb finishes. 👏
I'm a painter and decorator and I push a Festool 150mm 3mm stroke sander for a good 20hrs+ a week. Love it. You really appreciate the lower vibration of a good sander when you finish work for the day and can still feel your fingers. I have many others but the 150mm Festool is my favorite.
Nice! I also have the 150/3, but the 150/5 is my go-to, just because of the kind of work I do. Great sanders & great dust collection 👍👍
What I can’t understand is why you only have 44K subscribers.
This is a really excellent channel full of useful woodworking information. You deserve better!
Haha, thanks David. 👍👍
Extremely helpful video. The painted board samples were invaluable. Thank you!
Great video!!!! My house’s paint is in terrible shape, and I am currently sanding all of the paint off. When I first started my project, I did little research. I ended up using a random orbit sander, which was too delicate and was not removing material well. Thanks to your video, and after lots of research, I realize orbital sanders are best for my application.
I have been using a belt sander to clean up a painted fence to get it ready for new paint. I have done a few panels, but I am glad I ran into your video. I have an orbital sander and will switch to this for the rest of the job. Sounds like it will work a lot better.
Belt sanders for cleaning up floors and rough timber are amazing - just use with care !!
Yes, it is excellent for rough timber. If you you're just starting out using only hand tools and can not afford a planer, thicknesser, or table saw, and have to make do with structural rough timber, a belt sander is ideal used in conjunction with a hand held planer.
this is the most educational video for sander types ive seen so far
This is an absolutely brilliant video! Thank you for cleary explaining the uses for each sander and the situations you would use them in. The visuals on the painted board was fantastic!
Thank you! 👍
I needed to buy a new sander for a project and I wasn't sure which one to buy. You helped me with my decision.
Thank you for a proper explanation. Got more information compressed in 10 minutes than there is in my sander's manual :)
Thanks! 👍
Peter thank you for passing on your experience and knowledge which I for one appreciate this is a subject that few people understand myself included. I’ve 3 sanders and didn’t realise the differences in working with them. I always thought it was more to do with the grade of sandpaper then the sander itself thank you for enlightening me....🤔🤔🤔
Thank you for this excellent video 👍👍👍
Thanks Marcus! 👍👍
Excellent and enlightening! I started with a 5-inch sander, but hardly ever use it now that I have a 6-inch ROS. Last time was for sanding overhead since it's lighter weight. My 6-inch sander also has an optional 5-inch pad that you can change out. Thanks for the clarification on the finishing sanders and the scratch patterns on all of them. My oscillating multi-tool has some triangular sanding attachments, and I don't find them very useful. But in a specialized project I can see that they'd come in handy.
Great way to start Saturday morning..now feel knowledge'd up for some serious sanding action!👍 Thank you!
The best sanding vid to the point and explained so much information such a clever delivery
Thanks! 👍👍
Thanks for taking the time out to explain this to us. Much appreciated.
Thanks! 👍👍
Slowly expanding my tool collection and I'm ready to take the plunge and buy a sander. Thank you so much for this video! It was so helpful!
Good video!!! Just one remark: The first sander does not make an oscillating circular movement around one center point as you explained. This would give longer curved scratches at the edge of the paper than in the center, which is not the case! Instead all the grains make the same small circular movements over the whole paper surface.
Great video Peter, I have almost exactly what you recommend.
I have a Dewalt 1/4 sheet palm sander and a very old BOSCH PEX 400 and both have handled every job from paint stripping to de nibbing MDF paint finishes around the house.
Looking forward to Monday, as I will be downloading the MEASURING UP podcast, so I can listen when I go back to my rusty metal second home in the middle of the North Sea.
Keep up the good work my friend.
Oh! Now I understand why I have 4 sanders! Your 2 favorites happen to be mine as well. Enjoy your weekend Peter.
Thanks Thomas! You too! 👍👍
Peter Millard Thanks. I noticed you didn’t talk about the Mikita bandslip - the narrow one. www.verktygsvaruhuset.se/product/makita-9032-bandslip-
I always have this one with me when doing an install.
Extremely useful information on here... Thanks Peter!
Cheers John! 👍👍
Very informative video; lots of technical knowledge I was ignorant of. For some of us DIY involves a goodly proportion of tasks other than cabinet work and fine finishing (so not always working to secure a flat plane, and often working to secure what is an acceptable compromise/organic surface finish, maybe more outdoor than indoor projects). Maintenance, repair and recycling is a good part of what I do; and there belt sanders (flattening large-scale glue ups; cleaning up much-used work surfaces; floors, roof-work) and flap-disks on angle-grinders come into their own. I also like mouse sanders, albeit they don't last long.
Thanks! Yes, almost as many uses for a sander as there are grits! 😂👍
Many thanks. I've got a Lidl belt sander which can take off a lot of material quickly. You do know that almost as soon as you sell your linear sander you'll need it again. 😀
Nice video Peter. Coincidentally I inherited that same Black & Decker sander from my Dad. I used it until the motor gave up. In the years that followed I’ve gathered eight different sanders!1 🙈 Including four Festool sanders on which the dust collection is just awesome. Thanks again for the info. 👍🏻
Thanks! 👍👍
Such a stupendous video! Love your silky smooth presenting Style!
Thank you! And lol - it’s the product of many, many takes! 😂👍
Excellent video, Peter. Very well explained and again I've learnt new things. Of course, if you do get rid of one of your sanders you can guarantee you'll need it within a few weeks!
Thanks Mark! And that's always the way, isn't it? 😂🤷♂️
Very informative. I would like to sand my varnished dining table and chairs in order to paint them and this video will help in deciding what’s the best sanders to use. Thank you.
Great video Peter! One of those areas of knowledge that I kind of understood but not as fully as I should have. The painted board is an excellent way of demonstrating and clarifying it all. Especially I never knew what made the Rotex distinctive (and now, of course, I want one!) . I also very rarely need my belt sander 👍
Cheers Alastair! Yes, never really needed a belt sander, though some folks swear by them 🤷♂️
You're such a smooth-operator Mr. M... Sade would be proud of ya ... 😏
By coincidence, I had 3 varnished internal (egg-box🙄) doors to sand yesterday... (voluntary working for a homeless charity group) I was supplied with a hired-out oscillating sander with a bunch of 40g sheets... the biggest problem for me was the sheet loading & glazing... a pain in the adze.. 😒
The dust was horrendous, that little clip-on bag had a hole in the corner so the dust went everywhere. I had my respirator & goggles/ear defenders so I was reasonably protected... more than I can say for the (vacant) room I was in !! 🤫😬
My Lidls belt sander is used for rough sharpening & cleaning gunk from scrapers & trowels if(when) I forget to clean 'em. It even came with 2 G clamps to clamp it to a bench... 😉
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40 grit on hollow core doors - were you installing porthole windows? lol
Yikes - 40 grit on an RO, you’re lucky you didn’t go through the door! 😬👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop I have a gentle touch !! .... & lotsa filler..😂😂
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@@negotiableaffections maybee !! ... 🙄😏😂😂😂
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Thank you for the well illustrated explanation about sanders. I now have a better understanding about these tools. A list of the sanders in an illustrated summary would be useful with the best application. If you don't have space limitations, keep them all the sanders, you just never know until you come up against a problem. What tool would offer the best solution.
Thank you so much for explaining all the differences on examples 😊👍🏻
Thanks! 👍
I’m just sort of learning about the bigger world of sanding and this video was perfect in explaining and SHOWING the differences. Thank you so much for sharing this, Peter!
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A lot of people will find this info useful I think Peter. Good job.
Cheers Stuart! 👍
This one was extremely useful as I am currently in the market to buy a replacement hand sander! Thanks!
Glad to hear it! 👍👍
I wonder what the Aldi or Lidls ROS is like, I don't know 'bout you Keith but I couldn't afford a fancy festool... & I don't do enough work to justify it either 🙄😕
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@@peterfitzpatrick7032 I also don't use Festool. I almost always go with DeWalt or Makita.
@@KeithMinnion Dewalt seems to have slipped in the ratings amongst pros lately... Makita is nice.. Metabo is a great make but not sure if they do a ROS... 🤔
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Thank you for this video. Really needed to learn this being a DIY-er
Another great video, thanks. I just ordered my random orbital sander while gently kicking myself for all the sanding blunders I've been making.
Thanks, gold explaination and like the way you demonstrated the effects on a painted board.
A very interesting demonstration how the different types of sanders work and the patterns they make. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks Hans! 👍
Thank you so much for this useful video. Made things so much clearer
Good coverage of types of sanders, but some info on the abrasive used would also be helpful. 3M has revolutionized orbital sanding with their Extract discs. These not only cut better but also distribute the dust more effectively. They are all I use now and would never go back to the traditional discs with the holes.
Published 2019, long before 3M extract was anywhere near our shores. And honestly, having used it extensively, I’ll politely disagree. It’s just the latest ‘unobtanium’ marketing nonsense - but you should use whatever you like, as will I. 👍
Thanks Peter. Pretty interesting the difference between Sanders. I have random orbital and bench disc sander the rest is done by hand. All my stuff is usual curved and elliptical in nature so this fullfils all my needs. You missed out on a couple of Sanders. The finger detail sander and the Dremel sanding sleeves both of which get utilised in my shop a lot, just because of the types of project I make. I would recommend a finger sander to you. They are a brilliant little tool for taking off a lot of material. Much better than the belt sander you used for that type of work. Still a belt sander essentially so you have it covered I guess. But get one and you won't believe how you managed to cope without it.
Thanks! When you say finger sander, do you mean like a file sander eg powerfile? I’ve had them, and almost never used them tbh; I do refer to them on the accompanying blood post at 10minuteworkshop.com. 👍👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop yes file sander. Gets into the smallest of holes ¾ diameter
Very helpful for us beginners looking to buy our first sander. Thank you.
Thanks! That was the idea 👍👍
Hi love the video very helpful, thanks 😊. I just want a sander for diys around the house. Black and decker sanders are available here. What one would you recommend? Also we want to sand off decorative popcorn ceiling? So one that could do this and diys please
This the best video I've come across yet
Thank you! 🙌👍
Great video. Good communication. Perfect for me.
Your wealth of knowledge always amazes me! Thanks for sharing!
Haha, thanks David! 👍
You are a great teacher. Just loved the video for the information and more so for the way the information was conveyed.
Hi Peter, very useful and explains why my recently bought cheapo (lidl) ROS pad spins. Bought to try one out and clean up some windows for rough painting.
I do use a belt sander quite a lot, either hand held or in a bench frame. Hand held for cleaning up 'sawn timber’ rather than a power plane, in the bench frame for many things but all shaping rather than surfaces.
Just done a count up of my sanders - heve seven! how did that happen...
Hiya! Thanks! And yes - I’m
pretty sure they breed! 😂👍
Hi Peter - great video, I need a sander to do my Red Cedar boards on a dormer to bring them back to life. I was going to get a belt sander due to the speed it would remove the surface but having watched your video it would have been a disaster 🙈 - I,m now focused on 150mm RO 5 mm stroke do you agree and prob 60/80 3m discs. Any preference between geared and not geared I,ve got around 40 Sq M to sand Thanks again any different manufacturers I should consider extraction not an issue as I’m outside. Rgs Andy
Thanks Andy. Cedar is very soft, so I’d be a little cautious about using a geared sander - it would absolutely strip the finish off faster than anything, but would potentially dig into the material very quickly too. If you’re working off ladders or scaffolding, or overhead, then consider the sander weight carefully too. The Mirka Deros form-factor is very good I f you can live with the flappy paddle. Just finished a long term test, that and all my other sander vids are in a playlist here 👍👍 Sanders Playlist - bit.ly/SandersPlaylist
yes peter great video quick question to you, i have 7 interior pine doors with the 4 sections on them heavily varnished also skirtings which are piled up ready to work on the wife wants them painted which sander would you recommend without breaking the bank and would it be better to prime then paint or just paint after sanding?
That, Peter, was the most useful explanation of the variety of sanders that I have ever come across. Extremely valuable to me, who is considering buying a random orbital sander, but not understanding exactly why I need one. Thanks to you I now know what sander will do what job. BTW I have one of those old B & D sanders still! Often wondered why it was not much good!... Well done.
Looking forward your next Measuring Up blog, which I have missed during the summer break.Could you and Andy consider doing it weekly rather than fortnightly, please?
Thanks Charles! We'd love to be able to commit to a weekly podcast, but we need a lot more Patreon support for that to be viable. 🤷♂️
Great descriptions of sanders. I'm new to the sanding game.
Another awesome vid Peter....The Mirka is the best sander I’ve ever used! And the Abranet discs means its almost dust free...great in a small space
Thanks! Had to return my Mirka - just couldn't get along with the flappy paddle switch. Shame, nice sander. 👍
Once used a multitool to sand a mahogany door down, & then spent ten times longer again sanding the zig-zagging deeper scratches out by hand. Never again. This is after I gave up with a Bosch ROS when it melted the replacement pad...
I've just bought a Ryobi ROS - probably not the best option, but I'm only building outdoor furniture and going to try not looking at the results too closely...
my 1st and maybe only one is a rotex 125. i nearly get everthing done with it. if not, like inside corners, i'm just handsanding the remaining parts..works grwst for me and i LOVE that machine...
Love mine too! Wouldn’t want to sand a ceiling without though! 💪 🤔
Excellent presentation. Thank you. 👍
I never thought about a linear sander. I just bought a house from the 1800 and it has all original windows and some of the stair rails need to be redone. Thank you I will look into this
Having to many sanders is something you solve by adding more storage!
Two more I like beyond those you reviewed are the DTS400 and the RAS115. The Delta is a nice "do it all" for certain jobs and the RAS is just a material removal brute!
Something I've recently found useful .. strip discs on an angle grinder. I've only come across them recently and I've found them to be a great way to remove paint.
Thank you very much for such an informative and helpful video 🙌
Thanks! Glad it was helpful! 👍
Very timely video as I've been looking at RO sanders of different sizes.
Good! Hope it helps! Take a look at he blog post as well, there's a bit more detail about the type of sander, not just the type of sanding process - link in the video description👍
Brilliant. Just the video I needed. Very nicely explained
Forgot I had subscribed to your goodself. Pleased to see that you are still banging out the quality videos. Will watch a few with a glass of wine. Cheers
I learn so much from your videos, thank you and keep up the good work!
Thank you! 👍👍
This is interesting and very useful my Master! Thank you very much.
Haha, thanks Frits! 👍👍
What a brilliantly informative video.
Thank you! 👍
I'm about to sand down some pallet planks to make a fence up on my balcony so I'll be looking into the best sanding pad for this type of wood project.. I have a hand one and I'm thinking that's good enough to use as I had sanded down floor board before. But I think the sandpaper I used will need to be alot rougher... I bought one in Argos so it should be OK. The changing of the paper is a bit tiresome and tedious. Any suggestions wud be greatly appreciated..
really helpful video, thank you Peter
Incredibly clear and useful explanation Peter, thank you 👍
Brilliant explanation. Thank you.
Glad it was helpful, thanks!
Thank you for sharing your knowledge!
Wish you would list name of “great” sander in your opinion cause I’m trying to buy another sander that would help my super struggling work ( my sanders don’t get me too far until I sand it several times {several several} ).!
Thanks for a good video. You mentioned that belt sander was designed to remove large quantities, but now are other ways to do that. What other ways? I am very interested in that. Thanks.
Thanks! Gear-driven sanders like Festool’s Rotex, or larger orbit (eg 8mm) sanders will remove a lot of material fast. 👍
I'm trying to figure out if I should add the RTS 400 or DTS 400. I love the versatility by all the attachments with the RTS 400. However I've been doing a lot of cabinet work lately and I thought it would be nice to get any left over glue squeeze out from drawers or cabinet corners with a DTS. I've currently been doing it by hand by just folding a pad and giving it a few scrubs but I'm trying to find a way to spend maybe 10 seconds per corner removing a little excess glue instead of 2 minutes. Do you think the RTS is good enough for this application Peter? Or maybe the Rotex 90 since it has multiple attachments?
Meh, I just realized there aren't a lot more attachments for the RTS. I had the accessories for it confused by the LS 130. Very disappointing. Maybe I'll just add a triangle sander to my multitool and call it a day... /sad
Thanks so much for this so handy I didn’t have a clue
Tremendously useful and informative.
Thank you!
Hi Peter, love the videos. Looking at sanding off varnish from about old Victorian doors which have a really dark varnish. They will be waxed afterwards. They Can’t be chemically stripped, so was thinking of getting a good quality Radom orbit sander but unsure know if this would takes ages to do and therefore if it was worth investing in a festool rotex 90. Given the price difference don’t know if it is worth it? Thanks!
Hi Mark, and thanks! Old Victorian doors will be a bit tricky as they'll likely have mouldings around the panels that are best removed, if possible. After that, they're fairly straightforward to sand back with a random orbital, though you'll need something to get into the corners. I see where you're going with the RO90, but I'd be concerned that it would be a bit too aggressive; that, combined with the small, size means it can be quite a handful, and is very easy to get away from you and 'dig in'. I think for the money, you might be better getting a decent 150mm RO sander with a 5mm stroke to take care of the larger flat areas, and a cheaper, smaller orbital sander (palm sander) to deal with the internal corners. Unless it's super-tough varnish then a 6" random orbital with a lower-grit abrasive should make short work of it. HTH, P
@@10MinuteWorkshop great thanks, apart from the festool and Mira. What other 5 stroke ORB options are there?
Metabo 450(??) SXE is decent for the money - or was, back when I had mine. Pretty sure Bosch do a decent one, and Makita of course. Or there’s always the Sealey branded version of the Mirka clone from ffx. 👍👍
Fantastic review Peter. Just what I was looking for. Liked and subscribed!
Thanks, and welcome! 👍
For science. Thank you sir, this was helpful.
Another great educational video 🙏
Useful. Thank you. Was just in the market for a sander.
Glad to hear it! 👍👍
Well done sir, great video! Thank you!
Nice video Peter, I have recently purchased the metabo sxe450 which has an adjustable throw for finishing and a more aggressive sanding. Very pleased with it.
Thanks Leigh. I had the Metabo before I started in on the Festool gear, nice sander. 👍
Very helpful and informative video Peter - thank you.
A perfect Video... best wishes from germany. Thank you
Thank you! 👍
Great video, personally very useful. I'm into turning and planning on experimenting with some furniture, maybe with character timber/epoxy panels and am in the market for some kind of powered sander. Helped confirm my thoughts about buying a random orbital machine. Next decision is, which one? Many thanks Peter.
Cheers David, glad it helped! 👍
Very useful video. Thank you for sharing this
Thanks! 👍👍
Nice and informative video to compare.
Been waiting for this one. There's always been the shelf of sanders in the background and the odd titbit of wisdom slipped in over the last couple of years. Great, simple way of showing the differences, thanks. I was always very dismissive of the need for quality sanders and have very mediocre examples of the common types. Definitely going to invest a bit more thought (and cash) from now on. Thanks ever so much, as always.
Pleasure! 👍👍
I just picked up an orbital and a detail sander, was going to return one , but seems having the two is a good idea , am i correct ? New to sanding and diy . Thanks for the video 👍🏻
Depends on how much detail work you have planned; an orbital sander can do an awful lot of what a detail sander can do, but if you need that narrow angled head, then you need it. 👍
A wonderful, precise and professional explanation. Much better that many others out there. Thank You very much. What grit do You recommend for stripping down laquer?
Thank you! Depends what you're sanding, but if it's solid timber then I'd start with a P120.👍
Thanks for this and all your other wonderful videos! Do you think you could do another video just like this one but for saws? Mitre saws, jig saws, plunge saws, etc? Thank you!
Thanks! That’s a great idea, I’ll look into it! 👍
Very nice demo, thx.
Another top notch video. 😁👍
I'll take that linear sander if you are getting rid of it. Thanks for the video. Very helpful.
Thanks! Still mulling the sander question over tbh. 🤷♂️
@@10MinuteWorkshop no problem. I had to ask.
Excellent video. Thank you.
Thanks!👍
Great informative video, I personally lean towards a Random Orbital and a Orbital Detail sanders for that tini bit more versatility.
Thanks! 👍
Excellente' video Peter..!
Turquois Black and Decker sanders? Could be worse, in the USA they were either a beige that leans in towards avocado or a bright orange. (I liked the orange, easy to find in the pile up under my bench.) I like my belt sander for "hogging off" stock when adjusting the fit of doors and windows, finding a hidden nail with a well sharpened plane blade can spoil my day, belt sander just keeps on.