Excellent presentation with concise explanations - take it as high praise - I started my career as a Product Planning Engineer at Toyota handling LandCruiser 80 and the first Prado.
The best of all of the Aussie review videos that hit UA-cam on 12 AUG 21. The only video to not pretend that the stock file footage was theirs was appreciated. Much more detail on the whole experience, but especially on the technical details. New subscriber here, well done.
Wow, thanks! Good to know what I did right too :-) Yes they supplied the camera crew; the footage is partially shared across all 6, and partially specific to me. The rest is taken off official Toyota videos, or my own stock, or me talking.
One of the best channels on UA-cam! You deserve to have way more subs than you do! Keep up the good work and I'm sure you'll be found by the algorithm!
What a fantastic, professional, factual and detailed real world review of a new vehicle! I see so many youtubers put up videos spewing absolute garbage with zero facts about what they're talking about. This is truly refreshing mate! SUBBED! Keep up the excellent work!
Thanks for the very detailed master class. DId enlighten a lot on the tech behind LC300. The split tail gate was a disappointment. but certainly not a deal-breaker. Still wonder why I didn't stumble upon your channel earlier. Subscribed. Good on you. Keep up the great work!
This video has all the information I needed before purchase. I am almost settled on buying the highest trim of the 300 series, I won't need to offroad for a while since I modified my Y62 to do the offroad duty it has 230k on it and still going as good as new. What is making me hesitant is that my y62 is still going strong but its getting a bit rough for daily driving due to modifications and the desire to drive something new is strong.
Well Robert that was a very good video. You have actually made me want to take one for a run. I love that it's got some genuine offroad features that I can control as driver. The turn assist is exciting.
Thank you so much for such detailed review. I am not sure how much are the media restricted by toyota since you were invited to do the test, but I specially apprecite that you pointed out some of the issues of this prototype instead of just simply reading the script of how good this car is like others. Looking forward for a more independant review and comparison on the produciton model.
We aren't directly restricted...but indirectly you can be blacklisted so there is an incentive to be nice to the car. I fall in and out of favour depending on who is running PR at the time and what I've said - there's at least one carmaker who isn't in my fan club right now, but you just have to wait as journalists usually outlast PR chiefs! Toyota have always been fair to me though. Even when I find things wrong with their spec sheets :-) I do think it is a good car though. I would own one and drive it anywhere. I like it.
@@L2SFBC There is not a single LC300 review that covers this much in details. Not to mention a comparison aganist the 200. You also did great in pointing out some of the issues of this prototype while others who releases at the same time only praise how great of a car it is and not mentioning any of the issues that you found.
They were pre production mules only , not able to be sold & only on a restricted registration . Sales start today 7/12, with some owners being able to finally get their vehicles . Full dealer stocks available before the end of this wk
Absolutely informative review which goes way beyond anything else I've seen on the LC300 as of mid-August 2021. Well Done Robert!! BTW do we know if the new oiler will be AdBlue?
Fantastic review - thankyou for your effort and hard work to put it together. Uncommon tyre sizes and uncommon offset in a 6 stud rim. Might need to upsize to 285 to get taller tyres although some brands are available in a 265/70/18.
Very nice video again Robert. A remark regarding the tires section: 17” rims are not saving weight compared to larger rims with identical wheel size because the tires are heavier. Also, there is a very noticeable difference in handling between a 17” 70 section and an 18” 65 section. I know this from experience because I’m running both 17” and 18” on my Prado. 18” in my case are Winter tires, 17” are Summer tires. The 17” are much softer and vehicle control is so much worse. But I use the car in off-road situations in summer, so I keep the small rims.
No, low-profile tyres are heavier than higher-profile. I have weighed many of them and there will be a video on this in due course - you gain weight by going from 17 to 18, all else being equal, as the rim weight is more than the tyre weight. There is certainly a handling difference with profiles and the best carmarkers even change their ESC and suspension calibration according to profile, but 65 to 70 is hard to pick and I suspect the differences between summer and winter tyres are greater than the profile.
@@L2SFBC interesting, thanks for the response. I will put my wheels on a scale next April when I swap to summer tires again and will provide you with the results :)
You’re right. The Defenders boot is too small. But that’s due to the longer wheel base and more space for the 2nd row passengers. Overall the boot & interior space would be about equal to a LC300. In terms of pure capability, the Defender is far ahead the Toyota (both on and off-road). Land Rovers traction control is far superior. Plus they have air suspension. Reliability is obviously a pressing question. If your life depends on it, don’t get a new car. Time will tell if the new LC is still reliable. The Defender had some problems first, I’m not sure how it’s currently doing.
Any idea why the GX has a different offset wheel to the rest of the models? And what a shame Toyota isn't offering diff locks on the rest of the range. Even a Prado GXL now comes with rear diff lock as a standard factory fitment. Single or twin cranking batteries? Is the loading height for the cargo area higher or lower compared to the 200 Series? Is the alternator placement better on the 300 Series? Timing belt or chain? What capacity winch is Toyota offering as an accessory for that alloy bar? Are the DPFs mounted low like the 200 Series or higher up? How well is the intercooler protected? Is over bonnet visibility better or worse compared to 200? Does the GX have air con vents to the 2nd row seats? How does the electric steering feel compared to the 200's hydraulic system? What viscosity engine oil does the diesel use? Great review of the 300 Series - the best I have seen so far! Well done!
Hi and first thanks! Answers: 1. different offset wheel as the tyre is narrower 245 vs 265, and therefore requires a narrower rim but the width must be the same or close. The 245 would be lighter than the 265 for sure contributing to the GX's best payload figure. 2. Don't know re batteries. 3. Loading height wasn't measured is about the same. 4. Alternator - didn't get a chance to see, but Toyota have gone on about waterproofing so I expect it would be ok. 5. DPFs sorry don't know 6. Alternator don't know either, or its capacity (did ask) 7. Winch. Didn't see. Would expect 9500l which is fine for the 300 (see my snatch block videos for wjy) 8. Over bonnet same as 200. 9. No idea re GX, there wasn't one to look at. 10. Electric steering feels fine compared to 200. The only thing wrong with EPS is whoever built it. You can argue the point for very specialised sportscars but not for 2500kg 4X4s. It's just better. 11. No idea re oil. I'll plan to cover these if I get onto the press launch where we can actually spend more time with Aussie spec vehicles. It was a very rushed 3/4 day...even went without lunch so I could get more done!
Since BTC is disabled when OEM lockers are selected, this makes it such an easy decision to get one without the oem lockers. Will fit aftermarket lockers on, so I can still have brake traction control and individual locker
Hopefully that won't be the case on production versions...but you could also go twin-locked. However, the cost of the GR Sport is a little crazy compared to the GX!
Fantastic schooling of the 300 series, thank you Robert. You've sold me on this car so I hope Toyota give you a really good deal if you wanted to buy one. 👍🏻
Hah thanks, I'm actually looking at the new Ranger to replace my Ranger PX but if I was after a wagon, a GX would be on the list if I suddenly got another 100,000 subs or Patreons! I'm hoping to test a 300 for a while, got some interesting jobs in mind.
@@L2SFBC That's another interesting one. Is it the one that hasn't been released yet and may be a V6 diesel? I love the more American look of it. It will tow your 12ft camper van no worries.
IRS doesn't not increase dynamic clearances. Due to short control arms and the need for the control arms to move through their entire arc to provide suspension travel, ground clearance becomes dynamic based on load. Thus causing the suspension to lower well past the ground clearance of a solid axle.
Depends on the design. Generally, you do get better ground clerance, and yes it lowers, but not generally beyond the equivalent live axlen unless the front end is quite soft and you're heading downhill. I say this based on extensive real-world testing, plus having owned live, IFS, and IFS/IRS vehicles.
@@L2SFBC I sold my Ranger and purchased a GU Patrol and this was one of the factors. The ability to travel at speed in deep ruts without bottoming out is a significant advantage. The Ranger would frequently have the lower subframe contact the ground. It really depends on the terrain you are driving on.
Yes I see your point 👍 and that would also be Toyota's point wrt the 80 Series haaving good rough-terrain ride. And also the live axles flexing downwards as one end is lifted up.
This is fantastic!. I do have a couple of corrections. The fan is coupled mechanically, but it's electronically controlled. Not electric. If the Transfer case is still using the same Torsen center diff as the 200 the nominal split isn't 50/50. It's 40/60 front/rear.
I really like the way u chipped in the correction and also love the how he appreciated your correction and must say i like what I've learnt today. Thanks to both
@@L2SFBC I lot has changed in 11 years since I built the 200 with accessories. Starting with a clean sheet and rethinking how much I'd do differently this time. The 200 was retired from daily driver duties about 5 years ago and just sits in the garage.
@@L2SFBC The 200 was built over time. The 300 I would strip and build in 1 hit. Carefully planned electrics, LIthium only, Redarc or Enerdrive, Probably no winch (I've used my current one, once in 11 years). I would weigh every component added to the 300 and find the lightest option possible. (200 have GVM and GCM upgrade)
Great to see a reviewer that does not appear agenda driven, either biased to the product itself or to their own channel's traffic potential. I subscribed for that reason, good information that seeks to inform and educate and with similarly informed opinions based on reasoning and explanation. What some may refer to as good "signal to noise" in scientific jargon. Did we ever find out if the 300 GRS front and rear lockers, when individually applied, cancel traction control for the other axle? Also, do the other models of the 300 have sway bars that are fixed and potentially better for on-road dynamics ? There was some question about the e-kdss increasing body roll around corners at speed.
I didn't finalise that question but I will ask again.E-KDSS should minimise body roll to at least that of the standard cars; it's more of a disconnect for offroad than a onroad design.
@@L2SFBC it would be great to see an updated review to tie up loose ends and see how things have panned out ..oil usage,hot v6,body roll grs vs other 300,traction control off if locking other cross axle etc
Subscribed. I love your review probably the best one so far. Fair and logical. I agree with you, GX trim is the landcruiser to get, if you want comfortable people mover, other brand can do it better.
Great presentation, will be interesting to see how the new donk puts up with all the weight of accessories & tow weight in the real world, especially with 100k plus on the clock, ive owned 3 200's & still currently have 2 & can't say after comparing the two will be running off to my local dealer to drop the hammer on a new one.
Nice educational info thanks.looks like a great upgrade. Would have liked to see the petrol engine in Australia. I've really gone off Diesel engines for reliablity
well done Robert , i notice that they have now released the Tundra in the states with a hybrid option and i am thinking it is on the same chassis as the 300. shame they dont look at bringing that in - would save a lot of people doing chops on the wagons ! cheers ATOC
In depth analysis , clarity , simple delivery , top class auto journalism , you mate IMHO tied in with Thomas @ autogheuful as the best out there by a mile , I might have missed this , in terms of comfort refinement Where would you place it amongst its competitors?
I would expect that new gen Landcruiser would be Euro 6d (since this will be sold into EU countries) which means it will have SCR (adblue), DPF + EGR, which probably explains why it has a smaller fuel tank as they had to find space for the DEF tank.
Thanks for all the information. I am seriously looking at upgrading my 105 landcruiser that I bought new in 2005 for a 300 GX. 470 K of virtually trouble free motoring except for 4 air conditioner fixes will be hard to beat though. I just hope the V6 will be reliable.
Hot v6 engine, 2 turbos sitting in the middle of the v shaped engine it will be interesting when the tuners start making them hotter with more fuel, Is the starter motor still in the middle as well?? Like the diesel v8.
Mean while diesel fuel quality is terrible, with these highly technical injection systems this will be interesting for this engine, petrol is far more forgiving.
Keen to see the 300 series fully loaded up and doing the Canning Stock Route. Andrew SP White claimed his stock 200 series completed the entire track without a mechanical failure. I think that's a worthy test for any offroad vehicle.
Any vehicle could do the Canning if prepared properly and driven properly. The Mercedes failure was due to poor prep and too fast driving so not a good comparison. Got to have all the context.
@@L2SFBC If it was in a convoy wouldn't they all be doing the same speed? You are correct apples to apples and I don't have all the details. Just hard to prove the durability of a new vehicle based on press notes and a few hours of driving in easy conditions.
great video! trying to understand the reduction in fuel tank size and range, but they have obviously prioritised payload at this stage. Surely the 5 seater would come with more traditional sized tank, or maybe its smaller to allow for "future efficiencies".
Amazing Rob, you come across as one that has experience in research and design. Your detailed assessment with all the facts to back is the most educated and balanced review I have ever watched. Some things that stood out: - Pitch of the 300 with the bullbar and seeing how unstable in comparison with the 200 without. How can data be affected by this, do they have front suspension to pair with the bar as a package to fix? - You put the high power small engine by just upping boost theory to bed by explaining how the engine gains more power. This is so complicated and left to the computers to do it’s job. Time will tell if a touring trip is ruined by 1 sensor out of how many? But the graph of the power and reliability shows that Toyota designs with that in mind. So time will tell. I watched another review that was with you and it was pathetic. I could’ve done better. Saying that because it was all info on a brochure and said yeah drives better. That’s it and they are a well known. Plenty of car journalists out there who just drive down a road but not many like you. Well done mate!
Thanks, much appreciated! Suspension design is a real science with a bit of art. I intend to do more on it. Basically a bar and winch is a fair bit of weight in a terrible, terrible place for vehicle dynamics; the only places worse are right at the back end (think dual wheel carrier) or on the roof. Anyway, it's not just the extra weight, it's the location of the weight - because it's ahead of the front axle there's more weight added to the front axle than mass. So say it's 50kg mass all up, there may be 60kg of weight added to the front axle, and 10kg off the rear. Then that weight is a long way from the centre of gravity, so there's what we call a moment (similar to a lever). Hence the pitch, and why ANY vehicle with a bar/winch needs a stiffer front end. Also part of the suspension travel is used up by the weight so you'll get to the bumpstops quicker, and that slightly changes the camber of IFS. I could go on but you get the idea. Anyway, it is entirely possible to plug the numbers into a computer which would tell you the new spring rate and damper settings for the front, and if you're being really good, then you change the rear too but not as much so it's balanced. Then you test to be sure. I forgot to edit in my bit about the hot V config which will also help the efficiency ie power per L of capacity. I've added a note to it on the support blog post. Yes I try and explain why so viewers can make up their own minds. The 300 does drive better, but it's not enough of a difference to really notice from a handling perspective compared to an LC200. But that doesn't mean the 300 isn't overall a better car.
Fantastic, I understand very much about the weight balance. Toyota clearly puts alot of thought so much so to move the engine back 70mm for that very reason. When I ordered front suspension for my car I was asked about bar and winch and I was given one to suit. I will have at look at the link you put up on the hot V efficiency. Very interesting your info, and on a different note, I learnt about transmission windup today. I activate 4wd low when reversing my caravan up my steep driveway to save riding the clutch but I hear the tyres jerk, now I know why. Thanks again Rob
Great vid, your pricing is not driveaway pricing. Speak to dealers the on road costs really inflate the actual costs. It does make the sahara and sport quite ridiculous in their costs.
That was a Very Interesting review on the LC 300 there Robert. I watched it from start to finish and rewinding it several times to clarify what you’ve said. Not reading other comments from others I was just wondering is the alternator and starter motor still at the bottom of the engine bay area. I have a 2016 79 series pre-DPF which runs extremely well but my main concern is river crossing and beach driving.
Great unbiased appraisal, typical progression which is what most buyers want if they use this vehicle for it’s designed purpose. There are already enough hair stylist cars out there! Hope Toyota stay true to their credentials & much lauded reliability??? Not sure this is maintainable in 10-15 years time though?
Why only text? Basically running out of time to re-shoot the video, and also it's long enough as it is. With text I can double up on info. TPMS is not mandatory for Australian vehicles so that's why it is rarely included. I think it should be mandatory as it's a great safety feature.
Robert well done on the video. Very informative. I am very jealous you got to drive a 300 series so early on. A few comments. How much clearance is under the lift up tailgate? How tall are you? It looked like in the video that your head only just cleared the tailgate. Where you on a slope or was the ground relatively flat? Secondly a small correction Crawl in the 200 can be over ridden and it resumes again. That is certainly the case from 2012 onwards. Also are you sure all models have traditional KDSS? Apart from the Sport with E KDSS, Thanks again for taking the time to explain the detail.
Hi Jason - I would be 6ft 1 in my boots maybe a touch more and it was flat. Should have put that in. No models have KDSS except for GR Sport with E-KDSS. Thanks for the update.
We may not see this line in the US as the 4runner and Tacoma have eaten away at it's sales. There's a new Tundra, that is on the way, but it's no longer available in a V8 version. Toyota seems to be abandoning those of us with a n RV.
The image of the petrol says twin turbo on the engine cover, hence the twin air intakes; it is a dire shame that we won't be getting the twin turbo v6. the same v6 from the toyota aurion.
The GX or GLX might be a great option instead of the Grenadier I have been considering. I would like to see when a GVM upgrade becomes available and have it performed pre-registration.
@@L2SFBC Cool. Honestly, best video I found while looking for someone who "takes the LC 300" apart rather than just walking around it with a camera and saying (oversimplifying here, but essentially:) oooh, look, shiny, shiny! Absolutely fantastic.
Great video! Thank you Robert! Why would Toyota turn off breaking traction control on the unlocked axle? That makes the Ranger more capable than the Hilux for example both rear locked. Did you had a chance to ask them that? I think it can be a huge disadvantage. Cheers from Mexico!
Great review Robert - as expected. Took one for a drive yesterday. A beast! quiet, comfortable. Great for towing large and heavy things no doubt, but the pricing? Ouch. The two holy grails of LANDCRUISER - fuel capacity and second battery under bonnet. No space for second battery any longer. That's a real shame. After, jumped into the latest Prado as well. ALC300 makes Prado a 'small' car by comparison but the updated 2020 engine gets around pretty well in city traffic. Like to see what they do with the next Prado but I can't wait that long.
Robert, Thank you for your detailed review by far the best one, its great that you were able to compare the 200 series with the 300 series. I’ve read a couple of reviews and concerns regarding the new diesel motor and the potential build up heat so close to the underneath side of the bonnet, is there a need to be a concern regarding this?
I cannot say at the moment and my test was not long enough. I would however give Toyota benefit of the doubt on this. There is a bit of scaremongering going on to mine views and exploit natural distrust of new tech. I think an open minded approach is best with a degree of scepticism but I think Toyota would have a decent chance of getting it right.
@@L2SFBC Fair enough. Those systems have been very unreliable on Land Rovers. I've seen Lexus LX with a faulty one as well. I hope they eventually make it possible though in future updates for the LC 300. If its not too late
Absolute shame we aren't getting that petrol. I don't understand what Australia's obsession with diesel is. The low down torque argument doesn't really hold true anymore when you look at these new petrol engines coming out. Good video again Rob 👍 keep them coming.
Agreed, I convinced myself with my first Prado, a 2011 with the updated 4.0L V6. Beautiful motor that was. Now I have a 2012 with the 3.0L diesel and it stinks in comparison, only about 1-2L/100km better on the juice too.
Due to the high cylinder pressures of diesel combustion, diesel engines must be designed with significantly more strength, durability in mind. This allows for significantly greater life span of the engine.
I agree petrol engines have very little negative. Engine braking or low rpm torque. Pretty much irrelevant since no ones getting a manual. The auto will compensate for where ever the engine has its power and torque. Prime example is the Patrol. Less torque than the 200series. But tows everything just as well. Diesels last longer I think is long gone. This is not the 80’s. And we aren’t running poorly tuned carbys. Driven and serviced the same. Both will last longer than the first two owners will care. As petrol for the city and diesel for travel. Until every Zuk Sierra and motor bike are converted to diesel. Petrol will be available everywhere. Also I have read of diesel being intermittently available where a petrol has always been available. So many good petrol engines are available in other markets. It’s a shame they don’t come to Aust. And now with Toyota having there 1st modern tech petrol 4wd engine in 30yrs. It’s a real shame.
I've heard you mention in a few different recent videos, that 50/50 weight distribution on a vehicle is not "perfect" or even "ideal". It would be interesting to hear you explain why this is.
No mention of the tailgate removal (13:00).... just skirted over it . Cargo size: A little bit more depth is 40mm for the 300. width a little bit less?? but 20mm height is less than the 200 height is which claims to be about the same???
thank you for the great detailed video still keep Isuzu 300/75 4x4 crew cab as still do the same job as better on fuel that Toyota carry 6 people and 1500kg and tow 3500kg
Excellent presentation with concise explanations - take it as high praise - I started my career as a Product Planning Engineer at Toyota handling LandCruiser 80 and the first Prado.
I do take that as high praise thank you!
The best of all of the Aussie review videos that hit UA-cam on 12 AUG 21. The only video to not pretend that the stock file footage was theirs was appreciated.
Much more detail on the whole experience, but especially on the technical details. New subscriber here, well done.
Wow, thanks! Good to know what I did right too :-) Yes they supplied the camera crew; the footage is partially shared across all 6, and partially specific to me. The rest is taken off official Toyota videos, or my own stock, or me talking.
I hope to do a longer review yes
This is years of experience crammed into a 1 hour video review.
Great video Robert. Appreciate the professionalism and effort that you put into all of your work.
Much appreciated, that sort of comment keeps me going :-)
One of the best channels on UA-cam! You deserve to have way more subs than you do! Keep up the good work and I'm sure you'll be found by the algorithm!
Thanks, will do! Please share :-)
Robert … I don’t know of another motoring journalist anywhere in the world who produces videos with as much insight and information as you do.
Thank you!!
Agree
@@L2SFBC I’ll be looking forward to you getting your hands on an Ineos Grenadier (next year?). 🙂
I hope so too!!
That’s why his handbooks are invaluable
What a fantastic, professional, factual and detailed real world review of a new vehicle! I see so many youtubers put up videos spewing absolute garbage with zero facts about what they're talking about. This is truly refreshing mate! SUBBED! Keep up the excellent work!
Thanks much appreciated 👍
This video should be made the Induction Video for all new LC300 owners. its so freaking solid. Big Thanks from Kuwait.
This just made me love my LC200 even more
Why so?
The one with the not so reliable 4.5 V8 and sluggish trans?
What a treat that was to watch.
I bought LC300 GR-S 3 weeks back thanks to your video Robert.👍
Great video. Thanks for the in depth explanations that others wouldn't bother with.
Glad it was helpful! Please share :-)
You could teach the other journalists on how to provide consumer advice. Excellent review. Have now subscribed and liked. 👍🏻
Thanks and welcome!
Thanks for the very detailed master class. DId enlighten a lot on the tech behind LC300. The split tail gate was a disappointment. but certainly not a deal-breaker. Still wonder why I didn't stumble upon your channel earlier. Subscribed. Good on you. Keep up the great work!
Thank you!
This video has all the information I needed before purchase.
I am almost settled on buying the highest trim of the 300 series, I won't need to offroad for a while since I modified my Y62 to do the offroad duty it has 230k on it and still going as good as new.
What is making me hesitant is that my y62 is still going strong but its getting a bit rough for daily driving due to modifications and the desire to drive something new is strong.
Wow!! A well constructed and detailed review. Love love love ACRONYMS!! 🤣🤣 Awesome work! 👍🏻
Glad you enjoyed it!
Comprehensive and no BS, well done!
Great work Robert thanks. The effort you put into your work is appreciated mate.
Much appreciated! Please share ;-)
Well Robert that was a very good video. You have actually made me want to take one for a run. I love that it's got some genuine offroad features that I can control as driver. The turn assist is exciting.
Thanks much appreciated!!
Turn assist has been available for many years on the 200.
It has...see my 200 video for more
@@craigdavid6668 I was more getting at the fact it will actually have some real Offroad advantage given you can leave the cdl engaged.
Thank you so much for such detailed review. I am not sure how much are the media restricted by toyota since you were invited to do the test, but I specially apprecite that you pointed out some of the issues of this prototype instead of just simply reading the script of how good this car is like others. Looking forward for a more independant review and comparison on the produciton model.
We aren't directly restricted...but indirectly you can be blacklisted so there is an incentive to be nice to the car. I fall in and out of favour depending on who is running PR at the time and what I've said - there's at least one carmaker who isn't in my fan club right now, but you just have to wait as journalists usually outlast PR chiefs! Toyota have always been fair to me though. Even when I find things wrong with their spec sheets :-) I do think it is a good car though. I would own one and drive it anywhere. I like it.
Best LC300 video out there
Thank you..can you say why please?
@@L2SFBC There is not a single LC300 review that covers this much in details. Not to mention a comparison aganist the 200. You also did great in pointing out some of the issues of this prototype while others who releases at the same time only praise how great of a car it is and not mentioning any of the issues that you found.
Maybe they didn't find them!
@@L2SFBC so what size wheels and types do you think will fit on LC300 ?
I give it 47 seconds before someone slaps on 35s...I suspect they will fit with a lift. Obviously not a question I could ask Toyota!
Really enjoyed, very thorough. Looking forward to more reviews on the 300
Thanks please share 👍
Excellent coverage of the majority of questions in the minds of prospective owners.
Thanks, please share :-)
Thanks for the great report. Look forward to your next drive/video
Thanks John
They were pre production mules only , not able to be sold & only on a restricted registration . Sales start today 7/12, with some owners being able to finally get their vehicles . Full dealer stocks available before the end of this wk
thanks for the amazing presentation, really appreciate your great effort!
My pleasure!
Excellent work Mr. Pepper. Thx for sharing for all of us Tojo fanboys.
My pleasure! Please share :-)
Great job very thorough review.
Thank you kindly! Please share :-)
Excellent review. As a 200 owner, I got a appreciation of the evolution of the LC. Well done.
Thanks please share 👍
Great work well done. Car looks like a beauty! I had hoped for a large increase in payload but didn't realistically expect it
You and me both! 1000kg would be nice but we will take every kg we can get!
Thanks for the information that I've watched
Glad it was helpful!
Absolutely informative review which goes way beyond anything else I've seen on the LC300 as of mid-August 2021. Well Done Robert!! BTW do we know if the new oiler will be AdBlue?
Sorry did not confirm
Thank you mate. Appreciate your work.
My pleasure! Please share :-)
GREAT presentation, couldn't skip anything, you covered everything perfectly, 😏 'considering some covering back seats ,leather and whatever else '!
Glad you enjoyed it! Please share :-)
Looks so much better than the Lexus variant we get in the states.
Toyota should hire this guy, even they did not present their car in much details😅
Front overhang.... Is... somewhat Long. 32degree of approach angle is good. it takes 17inch rims. That's another plus
Fantastic review - thankyou for your effort and hard work to put it together. Uncommon tyre sizes and uncommon offset in a 6 stud rim. Might need to upsize to 285 to get taller tyres although some brands are available in a 265/70/18.
There's quite a few tyres in 245/75/17 which is what I'd run. Try my tyre calculator -> l2sfbc.com/tyre-size-calculator/
Very nice video again Robert. A remark regarding the tires section: 17” rims are not saving weight compared to larger rims with identical wheel size because the tires are heavier. Also, there is a very noticeable difference in handling between a 17” 70 section and an 18” 65 section. I know this from experience because I’m running both 17” and 18” on my Prado. 18” in my case are Winter tires, 17” are Summer tires. The 17” are much softer and vehicle control is so much worse. But I use the car in off-road situations in summer, so I keep the small rims.
No, low-profile tyres are heavier than higher-profile. I have weighed many of them and there will be a video on this in due course - you gain weight by going from 17 to 18, all else being equal, as the rim weight is more than the tyre weight. There is certainly a handling difference with profiles and the best carmarkers even change their ESC and suspension calibration according to profile, but 65 to 70 is hard to pick and I suspect the differences between summer and winter tyres are greater than the profile.
@@L2SFBC interesting, thanks for the response. I will put my wheels on a scale next April when I swap to summer tires again and will provide you with the results :)
You’re right. The Defenders boot is too small. But that’s due to the longer wheel base and more space for the 2nd row passengers. Overall the boot & interior space would be about equal to a LC300. In terms of pure capability, the Defender is far ahead the Toyota (both on and off-road). Land Rovers traction control is far superior. Plus they have air suspension. Reliability is obviously a pressing question. If your life depends on it, don’t get a new car. Time will tell if the new LC is still reliable. The Defender had some problems first, I’m not sure how it’s currently doing.
Any idea why the GX has a different offset wheel to the rest of the models? And what a shame Toyota isn't offering diff locks on the rest of the range. Even a Prado GXL now comes with rear diff lock as a standard factory fitment. Single or twin cranking batteries? Is the loading height for the cargo area higher or lower compared to the 200 Series? Is the alternator placement better on the 300 Series? Timing belt or chain? What capacity winch is Toyota offering as an accessory for that alloy bar? Are the DPFs mounted low like the 200 Series or higher up? How well is the intercooler protected? Is over bonnet visibility better or worse compared to 200? Does the GX have air con vents to the 2nd row seats? How does the electric steering feel compared to the 200's hydraulic system? What viscosity engine oil does the diesel use? Great review of the 300 Series - the best I have seen so far! Well done!
Hi and first thanks! Answers:
1. different offset wheel as the tyre is narrower 245 vs 265, and therefore requires a narrower rim but the width must be the same or close. The 245 would be lighter than the 265 for sure contributing to the GX's best payload figure.
2. Don't know re batteries.
3. Loading height wasn't measured is about the same.
4. Alternator - didn't get a chance to see, but Toyota have gone on about waterproofing so I expect it would be ok.
5. DPFs sorry don't know
6. Alternator don't know either, or its capacity (did ask)
7. Winch. Didn't see. Would expect 9500l which is fine for the 300 (see my snatch block videos for wjy)
8. Over bonnet same as 200.
9. No idea re GX, there wasn't one to look at.
10. Electric steering feels fine compared to 200. The only thing wrong with EPS is whoever built it. You can argue the point for very specialised sportscars but not for 2500kg 4X4s. It's just better.
11. No idea re oil.
I'll plan to cover these if I get onto the press launch where we can actually spend more time with Aussie spec vehicles. It was a very rushed 3/4 day...even went without lunch so I could get more done!
Since BTC is disabled when OEM lockers are selected, this makes it such an easy decision to get one without the oem lockers. Will fit aftermarket lockers on, so I can still have brake traction control and individual locker
Hopefully that won't be the case on production versions...but you could also go twin-locked. However, the cost of the GR Sport is a little crazy compared to the GX!
Fantastic schooling of the 300 series, thank you Robert. You've sold me on this car so I hope Toyota give you a really good deal if you wanted to buy one. 👍🏻
Hah thanks, I'm actually looking at the new Ranger to replace my Ranger PX but if I was after a wagon, a GX would be on the list if I suddenly got another 100,000 subs or Patreons! I'm hoping to test a 300 for a while, got some interesting jobs in mind.
@@L2SFBC That's another interesting one. Is it the one that hasn't been released yet and may be a V6 diesel? I love the more American look of it. It will tow your 12ft camper van no worries.
Yes not released yet
IRS doesn't not increase dynamic clearances. Due to short control arms and the need for the control arms to move through their entire arc to provide suspension travel, ground clearance becomes dynamic based on load. Thus causing the suspension to lower well past the ground clearance of a solid axle.
Depends on the design. Generally, you do get better ground clerance, and yes it lowers, but not generally beyond the equivalent live axlen unless the front end is quite soft and you're heading downhill. I say this based on extensive real-world testing, plus having owned live, IFS, and IFS/IRS vehicles.
@@L2SFBC I sold my Ranger and purchased a GU Patrol and this was one of the factors. The ability to travel at speed in deep ruts without bottoming out is a significant advantage. The Ranger would frequently have the lower subframe contact the ground. It really depends on the terrain you are driving on.
Yes I see your point 👍 and that would also be Toyota's point wrt the 80 Series haaving good rough-terrain ride. And also the live axles flexing downwards as one end is lifted up.
great video
Great job 👏🏻
Thank you! 😁 Please share!
Just found you, great work, subscribed and will be a regular
Thanks Steve much appreciated 👍
This is fantastic!. I do have a couple of corrections. The fan is coupled mechanically, but it's electronically controlled. Not electric. If the Transfer case is still using the same Torsen center diff as the 200 the nominal split isn't 50/50. It's 40/60 front/rear.
Thanks, possibly I misunderstood the engineers then...another clarification!
I really like the way u chipped in the correction and also love the how he appreciated your correction and must say i like what I've learnt today. Thanks to both
this feels like an academic video, well done
I am the Dirty Academic 😁😁😁
Great work.
Thank you! Cheers!
I bought a 200 Sahara in 2010, it now has 155K on it and it is heavily modified and highly maintained. I'm excited to move to a 300. Can't wait.
Why so?
@@L2SFBC I lot has changed in 11 years since I built the 200 with accessories. Starting with a clean sheet and rethinking how much I'd do differently this time. The 200 was retired from daily driver duties about 5 years ago and just sits in the garage.
How would the build be different this time ?
@@L2SFBC The 200 was built over time. The 300 I would strip and build in 1 hit. Carefully planned electrics, LIthium only, Redarc or Enerdrive, Probably no winch (I've used my current one, once in 11 years). I would weigh every component added to the 300 and find the lightest option possible. (200 have GVM and GCM upgrade)
Sounds just like my next build! Keen to see your weight data
Great to see a reviewer that does not appear agenda driven, either biased to the product itself or to their own channel's traffic potential. I subscribed for that reason, good information that seeks to inform and educate and with similarly informed opinions based on reasoning and explanation. What some may refer to as good "signal to noise" in scientific jargon.
Did we ever find out if the 300 GRS front and rear lockers, when individually applied, cancel traction control for the other axle? Also, do the other models of the 300 have sway bars that are fixed and potentially better for on-road dynamics ? There was some question about the e-kdss increasing body roll around corners at speed.
I didn't finalise that question but I will ask again.E-KDSS should minimise body roll to at least that of the standard cars; it's more of a disconnect for offroad than a onroad design.
@@L2SFBC it would be great to see an updated review to tie up loose ends and see how things have panned out ..oil usage,hot v6,body roll grs vs other 300,traction control off if locking other cross axle etc
Subscribed. I love your review probably the best one so far. Fair and logical. I agree with you, GX trim is the landcruiser to get, if you want comfortable people mover, other brand can do it better.
Thanks, yes save $47k over the GR Sport!
@@L2SFBC I heard LC200 KDSS will lead to hard lift suspension system, because of it car sway.
Great presentation, will be interesting to see how the new donk puts up with all the weight of accessories & tow weight in the real world, especially with 100k plus on the clock, ive owned 3 200's & still currently have 2 & can't say after comparing the two will be running off to my local dealer to drop the hammer on a new one.
Thanks that's good insight. Would like to see your views a couple of years in. Time proves...
Nice educational info thanks.looks like a great upgrade. Would have liked to see the petrol engine in Australia. I've really gone off Diesel engines for reliablity
Same!!
well done Robert , i notice that they have now released the Tundra in the states with a hybrid option and i am thinking it is on the same chassis as the 300. shame they dont look at bringing that in - would save a lot of people doing chops on the wagons ! cheers ATOC
Agreed!!!
In depth analysis , clarity , simple delivery , top class auto journalism , you mate IMHO tied in with Thomas @ autogheuful as the best out there by a mile , I might have missed this , in terms of comfort refinement Where would you place it amongst its competitors?
Very high due to the soft long travel suspension for primary ride quality. Secondary ride good too. Thank you for the feedback!
I would expect that new gen Landcruiser would be Euro 6d (since this will be sold into EU countries) which means it will have SCR (adblue), DPF + EGR, which probably explains why it has a smaller fuel tank as they had to find space for the DEF tank.
It's Euro 5 and yes tend to agree
Yup, there is a page in the owners manual that refers to DEF (Ad Blue), so yes, it's already on 300 Series diesels sold in EU.
Great video. Lots of good detail. Any idea what the RTI score is for the LC300?
No idea sorry
Brilliant!!
Thanks for all the information. I am seriously looking at upgrading my 105 landcruiser that I bought new in 2005 for a 300 GX. 470 K of virtually trouble free motoring except for 4 air conditioner fixes will be hard to beat though. I just hope the V6 will be reliable.
Hot v6 engine, 2 turbos sitting in the middle of the v shaped engine it will be interesting when the tuners start making them hotter with more fuel, Is the starter motor still in the middle as well?? Like the diesel v8.
Mean while diesel fuel quality is terrible, with these highly technical injection systems this will be interesting for this engine, petrol is far more forgiving.
Keen to see the 300 series fully loaded up and doing the Canning Stock Route. Andrew SP White claimed his stock 200 series completed the entire track without a mechanical failure. I think that's a worthy test for any offroad vehicle.
Any vehicle could do the Canning if prepared properly and driven properly. The Mercedes failure was due to poor prep and too fast driving so not a good comparison. Got to have all the context.
Andrew SP said stock, so to compare apples to apples, no prep, just fluids and diesel and food
It'd do it as would many other 4x4s. I took two Chinese 4x4s across the Simpson stock standard even tyres.
@@L2SFBC If it was in a convoy wouldn't they all be doing the same speed? You are correct apples to apples and I don't have all the details. Just hard to prove the durability of a new vehicle based on press notes and a few hours of driving in easy conditions.
I agree and I'm not making any such claim. The Mercedes convoy tried to do too much too quickly and that was the problem.
great video! trying to understand the reduction in fuel tank size and range, but they have obviously prioritised payload at this stage. Surely the 5 seater would come with more traditional sized tank, or maybe its smaller to allow for "future efficiencies".
Possibly also for AdBlue (DEF)
Amazing Rob, you come across as one that has experience in research and design. Your detailed assessment with all the facts to back is the most educated and balanced review I have ever watched. Some things that stood out:
- Pitch of the 300 with the bullbar and seeing how unstable in comparison with the 200 without. How can data be affected by this, do they have front suspension to pair with the bar as a package to fix?
- You put the high power small engine by just upping boost theory to bed by explaining how the engine gains more power. This is so complicated and left to the computers to do it’s job. Time will tell if a touring trip is ruined by 1 sensor out of how many? But the graph of the power and reliability shows that Toyota designs with that in mind. So time will tell.
I watched another review that was with you and it was pathetic. I could’ve done better. Saying that because it was all info on a brochure and said yeah drives better. That’s it and they are a well known. Plenty of car journalists out there who just drive down a road but not many like you. Well done mate!
Thanks, much appreciated! Suspension design is a real science with a bit of art. I intend to do more on it. Basically a bar and winch is a fair bit of weight in a terrible, terrible place for vehicle dynamics; the only places worse are right at the back end (think dual wheel carrier) or on the roof. Anyway, it's not just the extra weight, it's the location of the weight - because it's ahead of the front axle there's more weight added to the front axle than mass. So say it's 50kg mass all up, there may be 60kg of weight added to the front axle, and 10kg off the rear. Then that weight is a long way from the centre of gravity, so there's what we call a moment (similar to a lever). Hence the pitch, and why ANY vehicle with a bar/winch needs a stiffer front end. Also part of the suspension travel is used up by the weight so you'll get to the bumpstops quicker, and that slightly changes the camber of IFS. I could go on but you get the idea.
Anyway, it is entirely possible to plug the numbers into a computer which would tell you the new spring rate and damper settings for the front, and if you're being really good, then you change the rear too but not as much so it's balanced. Then you test to be sure.
I forgot to edit in my bit about the hot V config which will also help the efficiency ie power per L of capacity. I've added a note to it on the support blog post.
Yes I try and explain why so viewers can make up their own minds. The 300 does drive better, but it's not enough of a difference to really notice from a handling perspective compared to an LC200. But that doesn't mean the 300 isn't overall a better car.
Fantastic, I understand very much about the weight balance. Toyota clearly puts alot of thought so much so to move the engine back 70mm for that very reason. When I ordered front suspension for my car I was asked about bar and winch and I was given one to suit.
I will have at look at the link you put up on the hot V efficiency.
Very interesting your info, and on a different note, I learnt about transmission windup today. I activate 4wd low when reversing my caravan up my steep driveway to save riding the clutch but I hear the tyres jerk, now I know why.
Thanks again Rob
My pleasure! If you can engage low range without locking your centre diff then do so, or if part time, unlock the hubs and engage 4wd low range.
Great review Robert With all the new electrics has the 300 got remote start
Not that I've seen and thank you
Hi Robert, are you planning on updating to the 300 from the Ranger?
No planning on the new Ranger now! And NOT a megabuild throw everything at it!
Great vid, your pricing is not driveaway pricing. Speak to dealers the on road costs really inflate the actual costs. It does make the sahara and sport quite ridiculous in their costs.
No, it's plus-onroads
That was a Very Interesting review on the LC 300 there Robert. I watched it from start to finish and rewinding it several times to clarify what you’ve said. Not reading other comments from others I was just wondering is the alternator and starter motor still at the bottom of the engine bay area. I have a 2016 79 series pre-DPF which runs extremely well but my main concern is river crossing and beach driving.
Wading depth 700mm and Toyota have focused on water sealing and placement so I wouldn't be concerned.
Great unbiased appraisal, typical progression which is what most buyers want if they use this vehicle for it’s designed purpose. There are already enough hair stylist cars out there! Hope Toyota stay true to their credentials & much lauded reliability??? Not sure this is maintainable in 10-15 years time though?
At least as maintainable as any other car....
Good broad coverage, interesting some things you mentioned by text only… why no tire pressure monitoring for Australian vehicles? Well done.
Why only text? Basically running out of time to re-shoot the video, and also it's long enough as it is. With text I can double up on info. TPMS is not mandatory for Australian vehicles so that's why it is rarely included. I think it should be mandatory as it's a great safety feature.
Really good coverage and teasing out of the details from information available.
Toyota does appear to have built a decent jigger.
I liked canaverous. Did you mean cavernous? Great review. Thanks.
Was thinking of the lunch I'd missed out on to work through so a bit of carnivorous got in there :-)
Robert well done on the video. Very informative. I am very jealous you got to drive a 300 series so early on. A few comments. How much clearance is under the lift up tailgate? How tall are you? It looked like in the video that your head only just cleared the tailgate. Where you on a slope or was the ground relatively flat? Secondly a small correction Crawl in the 200 can be over ridden and it resumes again. That is certainly the case from 2012 onwards. Also are you sure all models have traditional KDSS? Apart from the Sport with E KDSS, Thanks again for taking the time to explain the detail.
Hi Jason - I would be 6ft 1 in my boots maybe a touch more and it was flat. Should have put that in. No models have KDSS except for GR Sport with E-KDSS. Thanks for the update.
We may not see this line in the US as the 4runner and Tacoma have eaten away at it's sales. There's a new Tundra, that is on the way, but it's no longer available in a V8 version. Toyota seems to be abandoning those of us with a n RV.
I wonder if the air filter will work this time. Was a bit of a sore point for a lot of people with dusted engines and Toyota wiping their hands of it.
Hi Robert, what a detailed and informative video as always. Im now 335 day waiting for my VX which is disappointing, but understandable. talk soon.
Excellent video! Many thanks!
Thank you would appreciate a share 👍
The image of the petrol says twin turbo on the engine cover, hence the twin air intakes; it is a dire shame that we won't be getting the twin turbo v6. the same v6 from the toyota aurion.
Agreed but there is just no demand for petrol 4x4s when there is a diesel alternative. That is why Toyota withdrew all their petrol 4x4s.
Nicely done
The GX or GLX might be a great option instead of the Grenadier I have been considering. I would like to see when a GVM upgrade becomes available and have it performed pre-registration.
Bugger have to buy one now.
Amazing
Thank you! Cheers!
Dude, great video, but none of your in-video "check this out" links work properly...
Thanks will look at that
@@L2SFBC Cool. Honestly, best video I found while looking for someone who "takes the LC 300" apart rather than just walking around it with a camera and saying (oversimplifying here, but essentially:) oooh, look, shiny, shiny! Absolutely fantastic.
Great video! Thank you Robert! Why would Toyota turn off breaking traction control on the unlocked axle? That makes the Ranger more capable than the Hilux for example both rear locked. Did you had a chance to ask them that? I think it can be a huge disadvantage. Cheers from Mexico!
I don't know and didn't get an answer. Odd as the Prado 150 and others don't. Possibly it was a pre-production thing.
Great review Robert - as expected. Took one for a drive yesterday. A beast! quiet, comfortable. Great for towing large and heavy things no doubt, but the pricing? Ouch. The two holy grails of LANDCRUISER - fuel capacity and second battery under bonnet. No space for second battery any longer. That's a real shame. After, jumped into the latest Prado as well. ALC300 makes Prado a 'small' car by comparison but the updated 2020 engine gets around pretty well in city traffic. Like to see what they do with the next Prado but I can't wait that long.
Thanks, and yes it is pricey but it has the reputation and they are selling so you can't blame Toyota for pricing high!
Robert, Thank you for your detailed review by far the best one, its great that you were able to compare the 200 series with the 300 series. I’ve read a couple of reviews and concerns regarding the new diesel motor and the potential build up heat so close to the underneath side of the bonnet, is there a need to be a concern regarding this?
I cannot say at the moment and my test was not long enough. I would however give Toyota benefit of the doubt on this. There is a bit of scaremongering going on to mine views and exploit natural distrust of new tech. I think an open minded approach is best with a degree of scepticism but I think Toyota would have a decent chance of getting it right.
Amazing presentation. A bit disappointing that it doesn't have height adjustable suspension
I guess Toyota didn't feel it would be robust enough.
@@L2SFBC Fair enough. Those systems have been very unreliable on Land Rovers. I've seen Lexus LX with a faulty one as well. I hope they eventually make it possible though in future updates for the LC 300. If its not too late
Thx very informative 👍
Thanks please share 👍
Absolute shame we aren't getting that petrol. I don't understand what Australia's obsession with diesel is. The low down torque argument doesn't really hold true anymore when you look at these new petrol engines coming out.
Good video again Rob 👍 keep them coming.
I don't either. The low down torque argument has not been true for years.
Agreed, I convinced myself with my first Prado, a 2011 with the updated 4.0L V6. Beautiful motor that was. Now I have a 2012 with the 3.0L diesel and it stinks in comparison, only about 1-2L/100km better on the juice too.
What is the obsession with petrol? The a place for both. Petrol for the shopping centre runs and diesel for getting out there👍
Due to the high cylinder pressures of diesel combustion, diesel engines must be designed with significantly more strength, durability in mind. This allows for significantly greater life span of the engine.
I agree petrol engines have very little negative.
Engine braking or low rpm torque. Pretty much irrelevant since no ones getting a manual. The auto will compensate for where ever the engine has its power and torque. Prime example is the Patrol. Less torque than the 200series. But tows everything just as well.
Diesels last longer I think is long gone. This is not the 80’s. And we aren’t running poorly tuned carbys. Driven and serviced the same. Both will last longer than the first two owners will care.
As petrol for the city and diesel for travel. Until every Zuk Sierra and motor bike are converted to diesel. Petrol will be available everywhere. Also I have read of diesel being intermittently available where a petrol has always been available.
So many good petrol engines are available in other markets. It’s a shame they don’t come to Aust. And now with Toyota having there 1st modern tech petrol 4wd engine in 30yrs. It’s a real shame.
Well who’s a lucky boy then eh Robert? 😉👍
Me!!!
Awesome vehicle.
Great analysis. @ 40:39 the vehicle labels are reversed
Oops so they are, good pickup!!!
Thanks!
Thank you James, much appreciated!
Hi Robert. Looking into it now.. no split rear door!! Just wonder who will jump on it to make it for aftermarket !!
I doubt anyone will. Possibly make a pull-out table instead so kind of best of both worlds.
Hopefully it solves their dust seal issues of 200’s past.
That was a lot of info! Thanks.
Is the 10 speed a computer clutched auto, like a DSG, or a proper auto with a lockup converter?
Torque convertor auto with extra lock ups.
I've heard you mention in a few different recent videos, that 50/50 weight distribution on a vehicle is not "perfect" or even "ideal". It would be interesting to hear you explain why this is.
Coming....I will always back up assertions with explanations 👍
No mention of the tailgate removal (13:00).... just skirted over it . Cargo size: A little bit more depth is 40mm for the 300. width a little bit less?? but 20mm height is less than the 200 height is which claims to be about the same???
thank you for the great detailed video
still keep Isuzu 300/75 4x4 crew cab as still do the same job as better on fuel that Toyota carry 6 people and 1500kg and tow 3500kg
I see your point!
Contradicting deceasing tare knowing third party are going to make accessories
Twin intakes for higher cost servicings